Is this true chat??
>>154651358the big 6 in my country's league:America, Chivas, Toluca, Cruz Azul, Pumas, Tigres
>>154651389And Usa??
What is the Big 6 of Canada (Canadian Premier League)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Premier_League#Clubshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Premier_League#CPL_results_by_team
>>154651358>brazil
>>154651358>bremenWRONG
Flamengo mentioned
>>154651358Most fans don’t respect Leverkusen enough to see them as part of an elite group representing German club football throughout the ages, the reason for that being that they are an exception to 50+1. They also don’t have enough titles or fans or enough history/points across all seasons to be considered so big that only five other clubs can roughly compareBayern, Dortmund, and Hamburg are fine and logical choices. Schalke definitely has an argument as well despite their infamous failure to win a league title after the 50s and their five relegations. They have a lot of fan power at least and historically do well in the DFB Cup. Bremen is certainly doable as well, they have a lot of historical consistency at least. But the sixth one is really tough. I actually tend towards Gladbach, but you could also argue Köln, Frankfurt, Stuttgart. Pre-Bundesliga, there’d be no way around Nürnberg and their nine championships. Most countries don’t have a Big Six equivalent because it makes no sense. That applies to England already, you could definitely argue for Villa or Everton, I think. In Germany, I think the safest option is counting Bayern, Dortmund, Hamburg, Schalke, Bremen, Gladbach, Köln, Stuttgart, Frankfurt as the most elite club historically, culturally, and economically. But it would still leave out Nürnberg, Hertha, a few other traditionally relevant clubs, and the „new“ powerhouses of Leverkusen and the like
>>154651358>Schalke
>>154651358> Is this true chat??noThe Premier League spends more money than all the other top 5 leagues, combined. Being top 12 in England is like being top 6 anywhere else.The PL is also not a farmer's league. Bournemouth, Brighton, and Brentford would easily be fighting for UCL spots in Spain, Italy, France and Germany... and would be vying for winning the league in all other countries save maybe Portugal? Half of Ligue 1 is EFL Championship tier
>>154651358a club without European trophies can't be considered big
>>154651358Santos is fucked
>>154651541Historicaly yes
>>154651358Dutch is very accurate
>>154651358>one of our Big 6 no longer existsIt hurts
>>154651900What went wrong?
>>154651399>he doesn’t know the only USA flag posters that post about soccer are chicanos
>>154651358In most countries it's really a big 3 except England which is a big 5. Idk about Brazil though
>>154651358not true, a lot of countries only have 3 or 5 big clubs
>>154651933Woah
>>154651900why?
>>154651358i've got a big 6 for you right here
>>154651358By what metric is Spurs a top 6 team, really? Everton has more national titles and both Aston Villa and Forest are bigger internationally, why are Spurs there? Worthless team.
>>154652493Revenue
>>154652502Very lame then, isn't it?>>154651358Santos is bigger than almost any club in this chart too btw, and I don't even root for them.
>>154651358>Pogoń "Zero Tituli" Szczecinkek
>>154651358PSG > Marseille > Saint-Étienne > Monaco > Lyonand then probably Nantes.
>>154652535Yes. It is lame. But it is fairly obvious that this Big Six meme is about business first and foremost
Belenenses is in if Boavista is also in. Vitória out.
>>154651924>>154652394>got rid of their mobster boss>sold the club to a french retard>went bankrupt >couldn't even get a team to play on the 7th division KWABOTD
>>154651358>We‘re inBased. Historically, it is the truth. But I cannot take it for granted after these last years … may >we prove our worth
>>154651358>newboys like psg and city>no 'lanta, villareal, sociedad or gironahmm, not surefor Spain, youre better off doing a 'next six' after the trio
>>154651358>Netherlands>big 6No, there is a Big 3 and the Mid 3. AZ, Twente and FC Utrecht have collectively won 3 championships since the Eredivisie's foundation - of which Utrecht contributed none.
>>154652038The 6 bigger clubs
>>154651358>Germanylollmao even
>>154651358Breaking every league down to six most important clubs cannot work in general, sometimes a lower number makes more sense and sometimes a higher number is better to cover everyoneAnd what is this even supposed to convey? The Premier League "Big Six" are not the most historically important and decorated clubs. Villa and Everton have more titles than Spurs all in all, but Spurs have a higher revenue. Chelsea and City are also more of a novelty among the elite. If you can't even state what the six chosen clubs are there for, the entire thing falls apartThe German list for example is solid as far as I can tell. Bayern is obvious and you might as well quit here these days. Dortmund gets in because of their CL, their sufficient historic success, and their recency bias of modern football, a system in which the absurd amounts of money make it very easy to keep a position near the top. Hamburg have been a joke for a long time in recent years, but they have a CL and probably are the closest thing we have to an "eternal" top club, as they were among the best of the country from the 20s until they went retard mode in the 2010sSchalke haven't won the league since 1958, they have been relegated five times. But their trophy cabinet still makes them a valid choice. You can still argue about them, I guess. Even more so for Bremen. But I guess both get a pass because they have been relevant for ages and won enough. Leverkusen on the other probably won't get accepted by fans, not only because they are seen as bad guys due to theri 50+1 status. They also don't have enough titles or years in the Bundesliga. Neither do they have enough fans. But they have the revenue, I suppose. If you use that, though, then the list looks different in general
>>154654502by absolutely no metric should Schalke be there instead of Gladbach, AnonGladbach should in fact be the #3
>>154654905I would put Gladbach there instead of Leverkusen. Schalke can stay. Leverkusen cannot. As I have said. Gladbach being third or not is entirely a matter of taste
>>154651358The trad three are Bruges, Anderlecht and Standard. Union have more titles than Standard although most of them before WWII. Anderlecht and Standard have fallen off. Union, Genk, Gent, etc. can't hold onto players for long and have to constantly rebuild. Except for Bruges, Union and maybe Genk the others are in the shitter.
>>154651358I'd rather run a risk and bear the shame of having an empty space than include Inter among the giants of Italian football
>>154655044Okay, I'll bite. Seriously, how much of a Rossoneri ultra do you have to be to deny Inter being very important for Italian football?
>>154655073You don't necessarily have to be a Milan fan to see Inter as an imposter sitting at the big boys' table, but rather an Italian citizen
>>154655114They have the second-most league titlesThey are tied for the second-most cup winsThey have the second-most CL titles among Italian clubs. The club beating them here is behind them in the other categories. Inter is also second in the all-time Serie A table, and I think they have the most seasons in the top tier of them allIsn't the "Derby d'Italia" Inter vs Juve? Don't they have a positive record in the Derby della Madonnina?On what ground can they be excluded from a claim to greatness?
>>154655167Right then, stats guy, you asked for it. Starting from 2000, did you know that Inter:>were investigated twice for fictitious capital gains to embellish their accounts and qualify for the leagues, but were cleared of the charges because, strangely, the allegations were unfounded>in the fake passports scandal, they were not penalised or relegated by default because the club had invested too much money in Italian football>sold its own image and trademark rights to itself twice in order to register for the league and clear part of the debts that the owner had no intention of taking on>used industrial espionage and illegal surveillance to uncover opponents’ moves in the transfer market; >it used illegal wiretapping, dossier-building and espionage to bring Italian football to its knees with the ‘Calciopoli’ scandal, subsequently exerting political pressure on the Italian Football Federation to secure a statute of limitations when phone calls by its executives aimed at manipulating referee appointments were forcibly brought to light>despite being heavily implicated in the same farcical scandal involving referee appointments, a former member of its board of directors (who had since risen to become the football association’s federal commissioner) unduly awarded the club a league title, paying no heed to disciplinary proceedings against it>after the takeover by Chinese ownership, the club was once again caught falsifying accounts with fictitious sponsorship deals worth hundreds of thousands of euros a year to maintain business continuity>exerted undue political pressure on the football association’s leadership to prevent financial insolvency from leading to bankruptcy and liquidation (both in the 2000s and in the 2020s era)
>>154655167>>154655378>in 2023, it became the first club in Italy to be subject to enforcement proceedings (i.e. to have its assets seized) because the Chinese owners no longer had the financial means to ensure the club’s continued operation, the payment of wages, and its registration for the league>for the same reason, to secure its league registration for the 2021-2024 period, the club used shell companies based abroad and bank guarantees from the Cayman Islands>for the same reason, through improper collusion with the leadership of the Italian Football Association, its officials exerted pressure on the body responsible for auditing sports clubs’ financial statements (Covisoc), a body which was subsequently dissolved after its members resigned en masse>maintained covert links with organised crime in Milan and southern Italy (the 'Ndrangheta), without facing any consequences>under its new owners Oaktree, remains under investigation by the ordinary courts for having exerted undue pressure on members of Milan City Council (the mayor, councillors and department heads) to falsify tender documents, allocations and municipal circulars in connection with the sale of the San Siro stadium, on charges of having secured substantial discounts in the subsequent property speculation (financial loss to the state)>is currently suspected of having benefited from match-fixing in the football scandal that came to light due to refereeing decisions influenced by its members (Rocchi case)Should I carry on or is it enough?
>>154655378>>154655390So they are scum. And Juve and Milan are not? They can be scum and a big club
>>154655417Have at it with more Vorwärts issues, in-depth football knowledge isn't really your thing
>>154655473*yawn*This is what I get for giving schizos a chance, I guess ... my own fault
>>154655489You type, think and sound like a broken Canadian AI. How the fuck did you end up on /sp/?
>>154655517Beep Boop Beep
>>154651933>>he doesn’t know the only USA flag posters that post about soccer are chicanosgrim. also YWNBAM
>>154651358Picking Valencia in the Big Six of Spain is actual insanity, Villareal, Betis or Even Real Sociedad are better fits.
>>154654924There is absolutely no reason to keep Schalke over Leverkusen either. And Gladbach not being there is a travesty anyway, they are the second (third) most successful club in Germany.
>>154651358>spurs>chelsea>arsenalno
>>154655378>>154655390Calogero, metti a stendere la maglia della Rube dopo che ci hai pianto sopra. Terrone di merda.
>>154655390>is currently suspected of having benefited from match-fixing in the football scandal that came to light due to refereeing decisions influenced by its members (Rocchi case)Suspected by you and your ilk, you pathetic crybabies. We've had referees fucking up in decisive matches that cost us the title last year, what the hell are you even on about.
>>154651358Only the EPL has a big six, for example the Bundesliga isn't a farmers league like the EPL all teams are strong. Emery is all ready resting players for the Europe League final, scared of Freiburg, meanwhile Freiburg still plays their best team each week, they don't need these shenanigans to crush Villa in the final anyways
>>154651358>Lazio>no Atalanta...............................really now
>>154651358why is there Poland or Sweden but no Greece?
>>154654165chart was made some years ago, still next year all "big" clubs will be in 1st league again... maybe it will be valid again
Sperms aren't a big club.
>>154651358Bajen xisters.....
>>154651358Boavista is kill. Currently Famalicão is our 6th strongest club. A shame their stadium is still ass.
>>154651358Braguilha will always be weakmind as long as their current president is still in charge. Shame because their city is one of the fastest growing in Portugal. It's mostly brazilians but still.>>154662086just needs more investment from jews
>>154662161Salvador made Braguilha relevant. Before him, they were just another random shitter club, literally Beira-Mar or Estrela tier.
>>154662212He only serves as the cumrag for the big 3. I wouldn't be surprised if they found benfica posters in his bedroom.
>>154651399LA Galaxy, LAFC, Inter Miami, Nashville, Seattle, and maybe New England. Fuck me, those last three could be anybody in MLS.
>>154651419forge and cavalry are the big 2 right nowthe other teams can't hold a candle but supra seem alrightshame valour and edmonton folded
