Cablegate is being blown wide open
>>156710559sending this to fifa so norway can play argentina
>>156710559TRVKEmy problem is not with the goalur defence sucked and it was deservedmy problem is with fifa sensor gaslighting, especially since HAIRgate in portugal-croatia matchthis time it released too late, other videos they are being taken down, making reporters backtrackalso very important, no camera footage from the actual spidercam. since a wobble is harder to remove than a wire touch
>wc2026 will turn into afcon 2025 2.0 with no official winner for months because of appeals and protests
>reddit>i used editing software to "stabilise" the video Holy cope
>>156710616>it's cope now to lap up everything FIFA saysIDK, if there was a chance to prove that FIFA's sensor data was bogus, and therefore Croatias goal shouldn't have been anulled it'd be pretty satisfying there'd be direct empirical evidence that FIFA are rigging shit deliberately
>>156710559There's being a sore loser and then there's this
>>156710598>England win second World Cup after 60 years>tournament deemed voidSounds about right
>>156710559This is 1% of what we have to endure every match
>>156710750I don't know why you're acting like it's some conpiracy theory when even your own state-funded media said it looked suspicious.
This is the moment where you can see the velocity change
>>156710559I wonder if they would be conducting the same research if Norway had scored directly after the ball allegedly hit a cable
>>156711037they would but the wiregate f(l)ags would be englishand the sarcastic ones would be norwegian
>>156710559Finally someone is looking into it, my bet is it has some sort of gyro stabilizer and infantino has a remote control of some sorts + anal beads
>>156710878>rppneyMan's a literal spacker
I think it’s important to get to the truth of this matter and put some mechanisms in place so this never happens again. FIFA are clearly not to be trusted
>>156710559the cable is a paid actor
You know the ball has a GPS, so the only logical explanation is that FIFA must have tracked the ball so the camera intercepted it. Meanwhile simultaneously calculating from which angle and speed to ensure the ball dropped to an England player.
Norway should be disqualified for damaging Fifa property if true.
>>156711107The World Cup hosts from Canada were also confident the ball hit the wire/cable and changed trajectoryhttps://streamable.com/o4dgh9
>>156710878>You own state funded mediaYou mean our own media that exists to propagandise against and demoralise the British (but especially English, specifically) people? The same media that began needless shit stirring between the manager and players after the match? That media?This whole thing is utter retardation predicated on people not understanding that a football can curl or swerve, and have spin put on it that causes the ball to swerve as it begins descent. The straight angle shows a significant but SMOOTH swerve that begins as it starts to descend, which is exactly how a ball can naturally swerve with spin put on it. It also shows no fucking trace of a wire.You're quite literally being played like idiots not even to downplay the result or performance (Norway were the better team for a lot of the game and if Sorloth played the easy pass to Haaland they'd probably have won it) but just to create noise around controversy and rigging claims, ideally as insane noise as possible, to discredit the very obvious rigging claims about Argentina and France.It's actual schizophrenia to believe this. You can see it with your fucking eyes that the air catches the ball unevenly and causes swerve as it drops. Nobody objects in real time. Nobody. There's not even noise from the crowd, which would happen if it hit a wire because people would have reacted AT THE TIME.
>>156710559I don't see anything on the footage from the matchThe ball only bounces on the CGI slop from BBC but it bounces often during long passes, not just then, it's just a bug
>>156711173>reddit spacing yappingNot reading that shit
>>156711173No foul btw
>>156710559FIFA shown a graph of tge ball's captor, there is no way they would lieImagine if they also faked the graph for Croatia's var'd goal againdt PortugalThat'd basically mean they can rig whatever they want like a specific country winning the WCThey'd never do that lol
>>156711205>"Haaland and Bellingham">Photo of ØstigårdPeak journalism
I don't care about the goal and I don't think the ball touching the wire had much to do about anything. It's fairly obvious the ball clips the wire but it's not like a shot changed direction and resulted in a goal.What I find interesting is that apparently the sensor in the ball can detect a strand of hair grazing the ball, but it doesn't detect the ball hitting a metal wire. Weird innit?
>>156711216>there is no way FIFA would lieKek holy shit, you can't be this naive
>>156711288I assumed that was sarcasm
>>156711245Presumably the sensor doesn't prompt any officials when it is triggered. It has to be checked manually, and nobody saw the ball hit the wire.
>>156711316I blame my autismo
>>156711205Wayne Rooney has the IQ of a bag of cement. He doesn't even have footballing intelligence, he was a shambolic manager. He's trotted out on TV because he's a famous name who is too thick to do anything other than grunt ugg and say whatever will get him invited back on TV.
No var against Argentina. Everybody knows the rule.
>>156711350FIFA hilariously put the same guy in the VAR room for Norway-England that helped make that controversial call to disallow Egypt's goal against Argentinahttps://www.beinsports.com/en-us/soccer/fifa-world-cup-2026/articles/fifa-sparks-controversy-with-j%C3%A9r%C3%B4me-brisard-s-var-appointment-for-norway-vs-england-2026-07-11
/sp/ made fun of egyptians for saying riggi against Argentina but this cable conspiracy is /x/ tier
>>156710559What is backspin... retard.Why not focus effort on figuring out why Norway's defence was fucking shambolic and let Bellingham just cut you open 4v1
>>156711504Nobody ever posts these high quality versionsCan see the insane backspin on the ball... keeps just flubbed it
England 1966England 2026*
>>156711528>Nobody ever posts these high quality versionsCause if they do there's clearly nothing to see aside from the GK fuckup
>>156711245not really.a hair is on a fixed human head; a wire that is specifically designed to move with a camera on it will be ultra malleable. it would caress the ball by design and not cause any deviation on the ball therefore not leave a heartbeat footprint on the FIFA detection machine.
>>156711170Those meme lines aren't even following the ball though... You've been tricked into believing an alternative reality
>>156710559>>156710591thing is, they showed false ball sensor graph as "no touch" with wire, at the same time croatian thick hair was visible on graph as touchthe thing is, they rigged in both cases, sensor graph can be fabricated, and was already during portugal-croatia match as norway-england proved it, for whatever reason they put an effort to rig it in favor for portugal, if they did it with meaningless portugal, they did it on multiple other occasions with other specific teams, and the biggest fraud of every sport event - some nations are allowed to use more and better peds, dont act like they dont pump peds in european negros, they are too invested in this kalergi shit to let things go untouched with a chance for random outcome
>>156710559Congrats on finding the most Reddit Reddit post of this World Cup
>>156711567>>156711170Just showing those meme lines... ball is going below and above the line just so the line an have a more dramatic dip which doesn't correlate with the actual ball.See this for the actual non-pixelated view:>>156711504
>>156711504Watch a baseball pitch how it can drop, this is that effect.
You know, it's rare for a huge organization to completely fabricate data. Whistleblowers are just too much of a risk. Far more often they'll simply misinterpret everything, lying by omission, and that sort of thing. I'm not ruling anything out, just making a point. Listen to the exact words they used - "found no evidence of the ball being hit" - that doesn't mean proved that it wasn't hit. There's a significant difference. Is it possible that the ball could go out of range? Sometimes tech works different to how we expect it. Maybe when they were designing they overlooked cables and drones and instead was designed only to transmit within a shorter range. You have to think of how they can't just stick an aerial on the ball - everything has to be done to the microscopic level, they have to have something powering the signal on it, and despite all this electronic shit it has to respond like normal ball should, and they need to manufacture countless of them. It wouldn't make sense for them to put in anything they thought would never be needed and it's an obscure enough detail that it could have been missed.
why is OP so seething he must fabricate reddit posts?
>>156711504Where did this come from? Has it been modified? Doesn't the ball blend in with the crowd to the point you can barely see it, now all of a sudden it's clear as daylight??? Very suss.
shut the fuck up you lost bcs u suck
>>156711577Man atleast qualify into the wc instead of worrying about messi and argentina.
It's all just one big psyop experiment to see how far they can gaslight the crowd. They have hundreds of cameras, of course they have 8k footage that can track every single scratch on the ball since the start of the match. They have sensor data on their spidercams too. They have dozens of ways to actually prove beyond doubt what actually happened. And instead they provide limited video angles and badly edited """""sensor""""" graph to show what happened. And why would they do anything else? Why provide real proof when you can study just how far you can go with fakes?
>>156711707The "blending" happens in the shit quality videos Reddit uses to "prove" it whilst adding circles or lines that don't follow the actual ball.This guy just posted an actual high res video - you know 4k exists these days... the ball is visible on any decent video
>>156711235It's literally all ai slop, notice how most of the time there isn't even the name of the journalist anymore
Should it even be a problem if it hypothetically did? Hitting a tiny wire way high up is a funny feat in itself.
>>156711705translated from norge reddit, you'll find it there if you look
>>156711504yeah, the main argument is that the ball doesn't follow a natural curve, but they rarely dofirstly theres an insane amount of backspin on this as you can see from the hi res videoalso with the ball in flight you can see it slows down in flight over a long distance, not hit something and drop or even deviate
None of this changes the fact that England played better than you and won fair and square.
>>156711756Why not just move on... it's demonstrably false it hit anything. Literally the Magnus effect at work due to your shitty keeper slicing the ball and adding a crazy amount of backspin to the ballYou guys are rapidly becoming the most insufferable cunts ever... most people glad that rowing shit is done and dusted
>>156711690>Listen to the exact words they used - "found no evidence of the ball being hit" - that doesn't mean proved that it wasn't hit.they have at most 1 minute after the goal to absolutely be certain it did hit. we're 2 days in to this conspiracy and people still haven't done so. i don't know what they expect VAR to have done.
>>156711760The flight of the ball perfectly demonstrates the Magnus effect where the backspin makes it drift up then descend once it's hits the peak as the continued backspin slows it downYou can see how badly the keeper sliced the ball in the HD videos of this as it's got crazy backspin on it
Yewl do nuttin.
i dunno which is worsenorwegian autism on this caseor the absolute seething of english flags that norwegians are still on the caseget a grip
>>156711245It only detects things when the sponsors decides which team they want to go through to generate max profit. This timeit was us, next game it will be england. The ball was clearly interfered with from an outside source and should have been dropped. Anderson and kane should have been carded for diving. Heggems goal was never a foul the ball wasnt even in play when anderson went diving. Sander berge got assaulted by two on a clear open goal headdrr chance and didnt get jack shit, if that was kane he would have dived and recieved two penalties if he misses his first. If infantino and his cronies didnt want a VARgentina - VARland semi Norway would have won this 3-0 after 90m.
Would the ball be considered out of play if it clearly hit the wire?
>>156711844Hypothetically even if it was a drop ball how does your shitty defence stop Belling 4v1 them exactly?Turbo retard falling for Fox News clickbait
>>156711772>it's demonstrably false it hit anythingNot until it's demonstrated properlyI'll eagerly await for reddit to finish their findings and compile them together
>>156711887I bet your "research" assumes zero backspin... when every video shows it was a horrfic goalkeeper slice with insane backspinPlay better next time
The Cable footage is more important than the JFK footage and we will spend the next 50 years getting to the bottom of what really happened
so what if it hit something? the norwegian keeper kicked it at the thing. so you can just timewaste by kicking the ball at the camera in the sky for 90 minutes now?
>>156711982Once Norwegian retards have spent months of their lives trying to prove the cable's existence they'll eventually have to spend months figuring out why their defence is complete shite and let Bellingham run through them 4v1
>>156711982>Under the IFAB Laws of the Game (used by FIFA competitions), if the ball touches an overhead camera cable, wire, or any fixed object above the field, play must be stopped immediately. The restart is a dropped ball at the position directly beneath where the ball touched the overhead object.
>>156711881It should have been dropped at the point of impact with the wire to us as it was our ball from nyland. No guarantee jude would find the net or not. Still doesn’t change the fact the refs didnt do their job and very clearly favoured england this game
>>156712025Yes he would - your defence was shit. Even without the cable passing it to Bellingham he 5v1 you chumps and you're just coping.It's fine to be upset with how bad your team defended
>>156712005yeah nice law, just go 1-0 up and volley the ball at the camera for the rest of the game
>>156711772You think a ball can't touch a cable just because your faggot Kane takes a pirouette and cries from phantom pain whenever no one touched him
>>156711982The laws of the game says the game stops and all plays after are invalidated. You dont get to ignore the laws just because your team scored a great goal afterwards
>>156710793Kind of feel for you Argie bros now... the tinfoil nonsense in the face of objective evidence is crazyI guess people like OP are just trolling at this point
>>156712056Let me guess you also think pushing someone over with 2 hands was also rigging and this is perfectly acceptable play?
>>156712060the laws of the game also say you can't push people over but you don't quote them
>>156711087lolz, ironically that Norwegian chess player who claimed that (the anal beads) when he lost a chess match was at the game as well
>>156712056Now you're just coping though - England didn't gain anything here... in fact didn't Norway score?
>>156712083Ok. So Norways goal being cancelled after the push stands, and Englands goal gets cancelled for the cable incident. England did not win the game. Now what?
>>156712080Yes, and that faggot anglo literally flopped completely on his own. He cheated and was rewarded for it. It's your entire strategy the entire match. And the refs ignore it when you wrestle the other teamDefending divegrass faggotry is Jewish behaviour
>>156712040He probably would have found a goal eventually in the second half after being down 2-0. Still doesnt change the fact the game should have been stopped at 45+1 after the ball hit the drone wire.
>>156711245>What I find interesting is that apparently the sensor in the ball can detect a strand of hair grazing the ball, but it doesn't detect the ball hitting a metal wire. Weird innit? I design such sensors and the radio links, it is nearly impossible to detect that in the noise every sensor, the ball and the wind turbulences makes. Further you cannot send the whole time because you need a big battery for the inevitable omnidirectional antenna radiation and some dishes or Yagis to receive. Maybe the sensor did not work and someone with a hand sender "emulates" it for commercial interest. FIFA can be right too that there was nothing seen because nothing receives from the height because no receiver was able to wich the manufacturer did not tell them.
>>156711504the problem with this angle is the deflection was towards the POV of this so it won't be seen. This is the problem of flat screen the old "the camera never lies" doesn't apply to video because you don't get the 3d view that you would have in reality. So really you need the behind the goal cam or cam in front to see it and that has already been shown and the deflection is there. So this video only proves that the deflection wasn't visible from this view.
>>156712117yeah that's how it works, england wouldn't have pushed for a goal if they were losing. good one
>third worlders when they finally discover the physics of putting backspin on a ballGotta love to see it
>>156710598>wc2026 will turn into afcon 2025kek
>>156711504thanks, i was looking for this webm. Im surprised this hasnt been posted every fucking where. How is there such a good quality video but ppl are using the shittiest quality, most pixelated and flickering videos ever?
>>156711772it's been proved it did hit from the only cam that showed it, the behind the goal cam. Anons keep showing the side view that doesn't show the deflection because the deflection was towards the POV and you would not be able to see that from that view. Flat screen video versus what a 3d view would see as well, but as 3d view = reality (as there is no 3d VR view that has hundreds of cam set up to create a 3d space) then the only view is the behind the goal, that view shows the deflection.
>>156712181You do not even see a real picture because of the needed compression during transmission to you tv. There you have a lame liquid crystal that pretends you see what you see (with a fraction of the colour room human eyes have btw). To see soemthing useful you need tha raw camera reading wich is never transfered to anywhere.
>>156711721>lost 7-1 on aggregate to a team that sucksYou're San Marino-tier matePure fodder for great footballing nations like North Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina to dab on
>>156712221>>156712224Schizophrenia
>>156712181nga how is that a thing about the pov? if that shit touched a cable, we would ABSOLUTELY have seen it from this angle. There's absolutely no better angle to check than this one that shows the exact movement of the ball.
>>156712235I like to learn, tell me more about my profession.
>>156712188>ackshually even if you took away our illegal goal we would still have wonYou’re reaching
>>156712235he is literally retarded coping
>>156712119Anglo chads raped you on Saturday and you're all still crying about it. I wonder how many Norwegian women got wet for Dan Burn when he did this to your sissy Norwegian men
>>156711743The behind the view is the only one that proves it, the side view is a non view point because the deflection was towards the POV of that view. But at the end of the day it all had to be resolved at the time, it wasn't, FIFA rely on the shitty sensor that doesn't work properly (ubnless they are rigging it). AS it stands it is a case of something happening in a game that could have changed it, he goal is ruled out. But it wasn't and the arguing is really about something that should have been done, but wasn't and the result stands. This is what happens in a lot of games, a goal is scored and the opposing side will see a reason why it should not stand. Only the officials can rule it out, if they go on the rules they rely on the sensor if they did not see it, it was not there so it stood.
can someone show a pic of this cable? from any match really, i have never seen a cable in the sky of any stadium. further i don't see any kind of object in the sky in any footage of so called evidence of impact
>>156710896Yeah it very clearly bounces back up, not sure how the refs missed that
>>156712228SpaghettiFerraribros what the FUCK
release the cable files
>>156712274brother, the fuck you mean about povs, u can see in the clear HD webm thst the ball had a spinning effect. If the ball touched a cable that modified its trayectory, it'd have also changed the ball's spin, which actually never happened in the video.
>>156712275>i have never seen a cable in the sky of any stadiumYou've never seen the cameras which fly around on cables over the pitch? They're used in many sports.
>>156712262It doesn't matter much. The players can anticipate very fast where the ball lands. He made nearly no correction in his running path so the ball would be land anyway near him. It's a distraction if the other player stop to play, but nobody does. So, who cares?
>>156712040tbf Bellingham needed the ball hitting a wire and the Norge goalie fluffing a pretty standard shot, literally went through his hands hit his chest and spilled it for Bellingham to tap in. Tuchel knows that England got away with being sloppy, Norway were sloppy as well
>>156710559what does it even matter? its too latethe technology they had didnt show anything wrong and its too late, there have been many such cases
>>156712309no I've never seen it from my telly. are those like huge steel cables that support an axis for the camera to travel over the field? i'm serious, I can't see shit in the videos expect for a badly executed goal kick that made the ball fly with a weird spinning effect
>>156712275supposedly it's this or something similar
>>156712224The deflection is there for all to see on the behind the cam shot and that is shitty quality. The side view is useless because the defection is towards the POV.
>>156712335Yeah these things. Sometimes you'll see them if they go low enough.
>>156712327>what does it even matter?It's a mess, they changed that sport in some laboratory for half cooked tech and measures. The culture turns to (V)WAR-ROOM decisions of some bureaucrats that makes arbitrary decisions. Add the crazy millimeter precision no human in the worlds can handle on a field of 120x60m and the modern world madness is perfect.
>>156712247No you would not see it. A ball seen in a side view has a slight deflection you would not notice it especially from that distance away. Take for example cricket, you have a umpire who stands behind the bowlers end so he can see anything from that POV. Let's say instead he was at mid wicket, he would not be able to see the line of the ball, a deflection of the ball hitting the bat - a slight nick. Are you actually suggesting that the side view is better than a view from behind the goal to see a ball travelling down the pitch to see any left or right swing or deflection?
>>156711504this is an AI upscaled video where the sway is gone
>>156712308>backspin revs are changed due to a slight side deflection.
>>156712340You mean >>156710896?There is no deflection, its blooming. It would be seen way harder from that perspective because the flight path is in the optical axis wich makes it nearly impossibel to see changes in that direction.
>>156710896looks like one of those ufo videos
>>156710598scenes when england walk off the pitch after messi scores a penalty with his hand in 120+67'
The English rigged it and now they will get their comeuppance when Argentina rigs it vs. themAnd I will be here to laugh at them, to laugh at the English roses and to gleefully remind them that it is infact, NOT COMING HOME
>>156711338he's not a successful manager but everything else you said is a retards opinion
>>156712413This shows the deflection.>>>/wsg/6195202
>>156711119Two words in and you're already lying
>>156710750>diveland calling others losers
>>156711756How about you go back there and kys on the way
>>156711722cope. the point still stands
>>156712463I dont see anythingThis shit is mass schizophrenia
>anglos needing ufos to win
>>156711338So you judge the opinion (yes everyone has an opinion on something like this) based on their managerial skill? So you would trust Alex "Fergie time" Ferguson or Mikel "push goalies and defenders to win games at any cost" Arteta because they won the PL? Rooney was an England player, he literally said Norway would never get close to getting to even the quarter final and said he would row down the Mersey if they did. He isn't going to be against England, isn't going to be contrarian just to make click bait. He also said the Haaland push should not have been ruled a foul. But regarding the deflection off the wire, it does deflect, you can see it on the behind the goal cam, showing the side view is useless.
>>156712523>doesn't see the sudden change from left to right with no natural arc if it was swinging that waywell, there really is no hope is there. So a golf shot, you get players who can get the ball to hook or slice and if you are behind the shot when they do it you can see it. What they cannot do is hit it straight and it suddenly swings one way. Let's put it another way, you are claiming the ball swung to the right at the last second and then rapidly dropped to the surface? So the ball was going straight and then in just a few microsecs it swung right and then dropped suddenly? Or you are literally saying "I see nothing"?
>>156711170>https://youtu.be/Mh9xGj3XOPM?t=100204kit didn't hit anything
/x/ schizos have to go back
>>156710559
>>156712327>what does it even matter?Why wouldn't it?A. I'd like to know if Nyland, the coach and multiple people on the bench were lying about seeing the same eventB. I'd like to know if FIFA's sensors are wack, and whether what they ruled against croatia was based on reliable dataEither of the two outcomes is interesting to me, I don't really care about the outcome of the match
>>156712675I still remember that goal, back when Brazil was still goated
>>156712469kek done him
>>156712525I think closing down players and nullifying Haaland all game made us win desu
>>156711173>the jews want it to never come homekek, explain then how the same jews keep rigging it in favour of rigland
>>156712675>need the behind the shot view to see the ball curve.
>>156711318Fifa is saying they checked the sensor data and it didn't show anything. Bouncing off a metal cable, nothing. Grazing hair, big bump. It's basic science.
>>156712771Muh 3D!https://www.reddit.com/r/worldcup/comments/1uugwpu/the_bbcs_3d_viewer_showing_multiple_cable_strikes/Erm - Norway chuds should have been disqualified for this... literally MULTIPLE WIRE RIGGING according to the 3D!
>>156712983UHHH? We got too cocky norwaysisters....
>>156710878>state-funded mediait's licence-fee fundedyou know, the thing that europeans like chimp out at us about despite nearly all of them having worse systems than ours for funding a public broadcaster
>>156710575Lol they won't do shit no matter what. The game is already gone. 2010 England scored a clear goal which didn't count. Everyone but the ref knew it was in.
>>156711504This is the most widely discussed, heated moment of the whole match?Great sport, wonderful sport, gotta get more americans playing Trumpball
>>156712771that 3D simulator has a glitched skybox. it has a similar thing where if someone scores a goal, it just stops the ball dead on the line lol.
>>156712933Type this again if England actually wins anything, until then it's irrelevant.
>>156712826correct, the fact is the goal should stand anyway because FIFA rely on the sensors to detect something if the officials do not. So that is the first thing. However as a matter of discussion of if the ball hit the wire and deflected meaning it should have been detected on the sensor then it becomes important regarding the tech. FIFA are not saying anything regarding video because they would have to concede the ball did hit the wire and the ball sensor did not detect it. I suspect the sensors either is faulty or the receiver is and when the ball is high up the sensors don't work. There is also the fact about the Croatia game and FIFA insisting the Croatian player touched it. Ultimately these things have to be taken at the time during the game, the goal was allowed to stand and that's really the end of it as excuses regarding the game, the same with the Haaland push on Anderson, it is also ironic both incidents had Anderson involved as he was the one who collected the ball. desu Norway should have still tried to defend that better or accept it was a good goal via the run, cross and finish.
>>156713066Norway bros...
>>156710598isnt ref decision final regardless of how bs it is?it is not like they can tell england>oh golly looks like you didnt win after all and you have to rematch norway
>>156713066that's when the mail in votes arrived to FIFA
>>156712983cablesissies been real quiet since this dropped
>>156713086>isnt ref decision final regardless of how bs it is?Yes, the ref that decided to ignore this was retarded and the ref that decided to believe a sensor that told him a ball touching hair should be offside instead of believing his eyes was also very retarded.
>>156712885That and slipping a few millions to Infantino and his goons definitely made the difference
Same VAR guy in this match and in the Egypt-Argentina match. Interesting.
>>156712771Are we actually pretending that out of hundreds of cameras present we need to rely in some sketchy 3D indie game because we don't have a clear shot of the ball (((not))) touching the camera?
>>156713086No one really is saying that it was rigged or that it was so terrible that it get's into the stages of things needing to be dramatically changed. What it does show however is that the sensor shit FIFA is using isn't a reliable tech and seeing as FIFA and VAR and refs etc are relying on it for not only things like hitting wires, deflecting off hair follicles - it is used in VAR for things like offside because they can tell when the ball was played by the "heartbeat". Ultimately tho VAR, the sensor tech is far more reliable than any human guesswork, however it should not simply be the only way to judge things and there should be no way the ball should be able to hit wires for TV cameras just because the US wants some overhead shots like they do in the NFL.
>>156713164You have schizofrenia buddy, you can literally see the ball not changing direction from the side view
>>156713154The nooticer
>>156713160Same thing happens in American football regularly and the NFL refuses to take accountability most of the time, nothing newhttps://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-didnt-have-clear-view-of-vikings-field-goal-striking-camera-cable
>>156713122Except the behind the cam view is the one that always showed the deflection. The BBC 3d view simply uses random data points and uses AI to fill in the jumps just like AI video genning does or AI upscaling - you want to upscale a 24 fps video to 64 or 128 fps - AI can simply gen the frames in-between, Flowframes software on a PC can do it easily.
>>156710896holy schizphreania
>>156713199>Trannie obsessed country gets a trannie world cupFittingYOU WILL NEVER BE A REAL WORLD CUP
>>156713243Not an argument
Norwegians are chasing after ghosts, the cope is pathetic. You cannot see any wire in any of the video replays, and the ball moves entirely naturally. If you need advanced physics modelling to somehow prove this, then what chance did the on pitch refs or even VAR have? Make a decision advantaging norway on norwegian voices alone? This is simply delusional.
>>156713255Meant for>>156713236
>>156713071Yeah totally agree, I don't see them anulling the goal in any situation, and the run to the goal was a clean attack, so England undoubtedly has that match either way.A statement from the coach doubled down that multiple people saw the ball hit the cable from the bench, along with the keeper, even after doubts were casted on the event.So I'd like to know whether it was a case of deliberate lying from out team/mass delusion, or FIFA's sensors.>>156713268The problem is that afterwards, FIFA used a graph of their ball sensor technology, the very same they used to anull a goal from croatia, to disprove whether the ball hit anything.Now if it can be proved that the ball infact did hit something using the live recordings, it would cast doubt on their sensors.
scully we have to find that camera wire. my sister was abducted by them.
>>156713176wow so the presenters say they can see the ball deflect and drop suddenly and they have schizophrenia? Maybe I suggest you suffer from a common problem called NPC syndrome? You join in on a discussion but put forward zero facts and of the two views shown the only one is the behind the goals one that shows the deflection. Do you actually think Norway can all suddenly telepathically all point to something happening at the same time as well as people in a studio who can see the video? I can understand bias, I can understand motives of why people make excuses. The goal stood and that is all that matters, it had to be decided there and then. That is different from discussing something post match and you can do this for any match - it won't change the result. This wasn't FIFA rigging, this wasn't someone knowing something was wrong and deciding the tech could not be questioned so they didn't say anything. If you look at NFL games you will find mentions of the ball hitting the spidercam or the wires and discussions of officials not stopping the game. It's an error that is going to be there, but FIFA need to be aware it happens.
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>>156710896Literally nothing happening
>>156713312>the ball hits a wire and falls straight downbut it didn't >>156711504
>>156713268You wouldn't see a thin wire in the video. You can see the ball slows down. Several players move in one direction and then another. Goal or not, if the ball hits a cable in a later game it should be handled correctly.
>>156713312What FIFA need to answer is do the sensors work for balls as high as that? Do the receivers pick up the signal for balls that high? Has it been tested? Also if the ball was to hit a wire does the sensor "heartbeat" graph show if it if the force was from that kind of impact? The spidercam wires are stupid, if they are so low they can be hit by someone kicking a ball then they are too low. FIFA and the broadcaster are admitting that that they can be a hindrance and take the view well if they are spotted in a game then they will do a drop ball just like if anything else interfered with the ball like the ref getting in the way etc.
>>156713212mate shut the fuck up, that angle shows no significant deviation at all contrary to what you've been wanking on aboutstop acting like this is something clear cut, it's not, and the available evidence points to it being a giant nothing burger
>>156713385But it did >>156710896
>>156713315There is a perfect view from the side being posted in this thread. The ball does not change direction. Your argument you can only see it from behind is moronic since if the direction would've changed on the y axis it would've easily been seen from the side. Honestly all the rigging narratives in this wc make me fear for the collective iq of humanity
>>156713427my brother in christ that ridiculous video shows nothing of note and makes anyone referring to it look like a genuine retardstop
>>156713432The players saw the ball slowed down and changed their direction.
If the ball hit a supporting wire then the camera shot from the skycam would shake and bobble around. There's your grand proof: find the visions from the skycam during the kick.
>>156712771>>156712983bbc is not very trustworthy
>>156713427lad the side view of the ball shows a normal trajectory given the spin and speed of the ball.... it literally slows down way before the point people are saying it hit the wire and doesn't deviate from that courseit doesn't 'fall straight down' as your manager suggests in that article*if* it hit the wire then the game should have been stopped and a drop ball or retake of the kick or whatever, I don't disagree with that.... but i literally cannot see it nor have i seen an angle of it doing so
>>156713477that's not a BBC issue, it's a technology issue. that simulator was designed to be a bit of fun, not to provide proof of this or that.
>>156713413>and the available evidence points to it being a giant nothing burgerfor a start if you actually think it was a nothingburger you would not be in a thread discussing the incident no matter which opinion you have. You would simply go to your gay /afl/ thread or /cric/. But as this is a discussion on the incident then you are here and you gonna accept there are 2 opinions on this. Here is the rub, I am English, I am not a Paki, jeet, nog or any other non human, I am white, English and England won the game fair and square within what was presented at the time - the officials could only go on what they saw and the sensors. So yes the goal was valid. this is different from discussing the ball hitting a wire tho and being missed by the tech and/or the officials. I find it amazing anons have zero self awareness that they can't even put their bias aside to discuss something. But if you want to meme, or be contrarian for zero reasons - not even devils advocate then be that person. However, just hide the posts that make you angry.
>>156713475Not necessarily. They are held up by multiple cables and have gyroscopic image stabilization.
>>156713458And I saw your mum getting fucked by a pack of basketball americans
>>156713432>side view>ball is deflected right and drops>perfect view to see that.Meanwhile there is the behind the goal view, the ball is going in a direction for nearly all of it's flight, suddenly the ball changes direction and drops suddenly. Now, anons think this is "natural" and the keeper sliced it, if it was sliced it would not suddenly deflect right, it would curve to the right along it's entire flight.
>>156712885Don’t forget nullifying goals and a cheat here and there lmao
>>156713601is there evidence of this from a simulator we can spam ad nauseam?
>>156713142
>>156713489>>156713453If you look closely there's a moment where the ball does a very unnatural movement considering it's previous trajectory.Why it is not caught in the sidecam, I do not know.
like, even if it hit the wire, what does Norway expect is going to happen? that the scores are going to be overturned or that there will be a rematch or something? the match results will stand regardless.
>>156713489And I say forget the side view because that isn't showing the path of the ball where the deflection takes place. And yes I can understand your opinion that in the video the ball if it deflects then it should be visible as the ball dropping suddenly. The problem with the side view is the deflection is towards the POV of that view, the cam behind the goal shot doesn't suffer from that because it is showing the flight of the ball and it shows a sudden deflection to the right and then it drops. The deflection isn't so dramatic that it's like hitting a brick wall and bouncing in he opposite direction, it's enough of a deflection to change the natural path and the drop downwards
>>156713646okaythis convinces mea bit
>>156713617Have you ever watched a football game from behind the goal? It's very hard to see how the ball actually moves. You're saying the ball hits a cable and drops down but logically such thing should be much more apparent from the side view
>>156713646As I have said the side view is no good for seeing that deflection. The only thing that view can show is the drop and anons are using that as "proof" there was no deflection. Well seeing as the curve of the ball can be anything if you join points along a path then you can change the direction down and it seem like a curve. It wasn't a curve dip so dramatic that it fell like a stone, however the fall trajectory was altered and the ball would have travelled further.
>>156713682Did you not read my comment? I said it deflected to the right which is why the deflection is not seen in the side view. The video from behind the goal clearly shows the ball suddenly veering to the right, that slowed the ball down and that caused it to drop more suddenly than what it would have done. that is in addition to it going to the right more than it was going if it had not hit the wire.
>>156713671See>>156712826
>>156713727>>156713760Fuck off to /x/ already
>>156713671No not now. This is a post game discussion. Norway would not expect FIFA to do a Balogun and issue a rematch or something like that. It's about FIFA admitting they can't rely on their tech alone. The sensor in the ball is used for VAR decisions, it is accepted that a ball can hit the spidercam or the wires and has happened on occasions in NFL games and other sports that use them. No one is suggesting rigging or that FIFA is covering anything up (unless they know the sensors have problems and won't admit it). The problem with /sp/ is it get's into the usual meme and bantz game, not a problem if that is what this thread was ultimately about.
>>156712826Problem is dumb fuck losers like you never watch football or you'd realise players and managers pretty much all "see" non-existent shit all the time You see them all flapping their arms in the air for handballs or fouls that did not actually happen - this is to new.They see one retard pointing at the sky and they all start doing it like apes
>>156710896>it's nothingloleven if there was a touch, with or without, the trajectory is the same. it's a goal either way.
Ok if the ball touched the camera cable, where is the camera footage? There should be a video of the camera wobbling, isn't it?
>not a single HD video of the ball hitting the camera from multiple angles>nope, always the same angle>in stunning 480p>or with added CGIIs this the next bigfoot?
>>156713785go and post another video proving the behind the POV of the flight of the ball shows a change in direction - oh and thanks for bumping the thread faggot
netanyahu placed the wire there himself
>>156713848And if that was the case then no one would be able to show a video showing the sudden deviation to the right contrary to the natural flight of the ball. This isn't some schizo shit that poltards bring up from /x/, this is about FIFA and their reliance on tech. Do you actually think the discussion about the Croatia goal being called offside was schizo talk? There is no gran elaborate wall of "wires" showing implausible things happing to try to get to a result. IT's either you think the ball hit a wire or it didn't and the reasons why anyone holds those opinions.
didnt see this thread so i made another >>156713696
can someone make a video where they draw the cable in so i can actually see when the ball is supposedly hitting it?
>>156710559>>156713955i also made a thread, but on the proper board >>>/x/42677759
>>156710559Are you fags always this much of sore losers, let it go already, we've got a bigger game coming up.
>>156710559Even if it was proven beyond doubt...then what? I don't think FIFA has ever rolled back a match.
>>156714065for a few days they were elevated to top of the world and given loads of attention because everyone else wanted england to lose but then they lost, everyone else has moved on, and now they're trying to claw back all the attention they received
>>156714033bait thread on the schizo board suggesting people are saying FIFA rigged it when they are not. Also your shitty sideview dotted line won't show a deflection to the right because "to the right" is literally in the POV direction of that view. And a curve can be anything from any point because the deflection to the right and then down would still be seen as a curve on the side view. What you are forgetting is that curve could be drawn with a longer trajectory and you don't see the deflection to the right due to the side POV.
vikingbros are just not used to being in a World Cup, this is the first tournament they ever play or something. The cablegate is a little silly considering half the time you get kicked out by actual rigging
>>156714132I love how the story keeps changing>it hit the camera!>wait it actually hit the wire and dropped down immediately>wait it actually brushed a cable and moved sidewaysGive it a rest you fucking bellend
>>156711504I do believe there's rigging going on in this WC but I genuinely haven't seen any cables or cameras on any of the videos I've seen of this. I don't understand how the controversy even started. I might be blind, not denying that.
we need to ban cables
>>156714030It's crazy because it hits the cable and changes the trajectory so dramatically that Anderson watches it the whole way, doesn't change his run at all, and it magically lands right at his feet.
>>156712271Based tackle 2bh
>>156712271This never gets old
>>156714095Correct this isn't about the match ultimately because the decision for that was at the time just like any other one (well maybe if fa red card was issued - lolz). This is like discussing any incident in a game, ultimately it doesn't matter because the game has finished and he result stood at the time and will forever. And it isn't about it being rigged (it wasn't) or that Norway were hard done by. It was something that was missed and it is accepted like many other incidents. If no goal was scored but was picked up as some talking point then this thread would not even be here anyway. England won the game, the officials saw what they saw and saw nothing from the sensor. So a moot point beside talking about if sensors are actually effective all the time.
>>156714065Tbf I’ve seen a lot of English posters already pre-coping about Argentina. Da Joos etc etc everything is rigged in advance screaming for days and days on end. If you lose to Argentina the melty from the St. George cross posters will be nuclear, and every possible excuse will be used.
>>156711504Something is definitely going on, it should keep going up forever but some kind of invisible force sends it back to Earth.
>>156714190>>156712271What does OP have to say about this blatant Norwegian diving btw?Cheating scum
>>156714198There's always been that one UK/England flag who posts every day about his boring "riggitini" memes, he's just obsessed.
>>156714172yes but he'd already pre-calculated the ball's trajectory with the cable brush accounted for
>>156714198At least we won't be talking about imaginary sky cables
>>156714199based english nooticer, you're probably onto something there. And it may be, perhaps... the same force that keeps the moon close to our planet?
If a cable assist was so powerful why aren't other teams doing it - just target the cable and score a goal every time
>>156714198Oh, like you're doing right now?
>>156714156wrong, the suggestion was always it hit the wire. People may have said the spidercam in error only because they assume it hit the cam after people said it hit the spidercam wire. So no story change from anyone. And again the behind the cam video shows it going to the right, but hey carry on showing the side view which cannot possibly show a deflection to the right because that is towards the POv of that view. In addition yes the behind the goal cam view can't show a change in the drop of the ball, however the side view is only showing what happens to the curve of the drop, the curve can change and a dotted line only shows what the ball did, not what the ball may have done without the defelection.
>>156713634Let's see you keep that same energy when Argentina rigs it against (You)
>>156710598God please let this happen
>>156714290i will because i've also yet to see any evidence that argentina has rigged a match (the curse of not being a 70 iq brownoid X user i guess)
>>156714282So it went sideways a little bit rather than affect the overall distance and what material impact does that have that a gust of wind wouldn't?
>>156710896After seeing 200 angles from different footges I finally see something
>>156714357Now check this out >>156713646
Norwegians are such crybabies lmao
>THE BALL CHANGED DIRECTIONyeah, that's what happens when you put a spin on the ball
this non-event is very similar to the threads we saw after we defeated Denmark in 2021 and Danish flags seethed about Sterling falling in the box for the match-winning penalty. A controversy that only countered Denmark's illegal free kick goal which should have been retaken.Just get over it, you were 4chan's girl of the week just because everyone hates England but you let the entire site down, and more people aren't calling you insane because they're willing to tolerate anything you say so long as you conclude it with "I hate England".
>>156714355a gust of wind that strong would impact the game but is accepted as natural just like heavy rain or snow etc is. The wires that the spidercam uses are not and it is accepted and the rules are if the ball hits them then the game is stopped and a drop ball is carried out just like if the ref get's in the way of play or spectator runs onto the field the play is stopped. The ball in NFL games hits the wires and spider cam sometimes and has been missed by the officials (they may not use sensors in the ball). So it is clear FIFA are relying on the sensors or hope an official sees it if it is easy to spot. But that is the thing, this isn't as if it hit the wire and dramatically was deviated. But what did happen is it did not go as further as it should and also it went more to the right and just happened to fall into the path of the England player. The officials say they did not see anything or that the sensor showed the "heartbeat" on the graph. Ultimately that is all they could go on.
>>156714200Don't throw stones in glass houses broKane spent more time face down in the grass than he did on his feet
>>156710559Holy fucking kek I used to work with this software in general physics lab
>>156714327>tf>tpWhatever you say Ranjesh
>>156710896back and to the left
>>156714540larpwegians have turned into Dave Ferrie.
>>156714540magic cable theory
I think all quarterfinals should be replayed just to be safe
>>156713646Yep, is clear it most likely hit a cable.The problem is that it changes nothing, ingerlund won and nothing gonna change that. Not to mention that the ball has a sensor for when it gets hit so jewfantino and fifa know it dit hit the cable, business as usual I guess.
>>156710896what is wrong with soccer fans?this is 1980s bigfoot footage tier
>>156710896They accidentally activated the riggi cuckitini magnets for a split second and it started moving towards him.
I don't get why the english cucks cares so much. They're one of the rigged teams and they'll lose anyways. This corruption is just killing football.
>>156710591I know nothing about this case.ofc Fifa is lying, they are a corrupt organization. Expecting them to be truthful is irrational
>>156714158It started because Norway conceded a goal at the close of the first half and the keeper came up with this cope to have it overturned and was pestering the ref about it, then the broadcasters heard about it and mentioned it during half time and showed a grainy pixelated clip of the ball.
>>156714199Don't be ridiculous. How could there be some magic invisible force that universally acts upon bodies? Give your head a wobble.
>>156714757there was no cable and ergo no corruption
Lampards shot crossed the line, Sol Campbells goal should’ve stood, Diego Maradona used his hand, beckham barely touched simeone, Rooney never should’ve saw red. We want justice!!
>>156711887>norway isn't the reddit tea-
I didnt know Norway can go full schizo.
>>156710896wtf is this schizo stuff, lmao
>>156711577>why rig itIt's obvious as all hell that this is the terminal stage of the capeslopification/WWEification of footballI wouldn't be surprised if there's a "World Cup storyboard" somewhere in FIFA's servers t b hAlso, I think that all of these controversies and scandals are intentionally done just sloppily enough to generate buzz, clicks and attention.The games themselves are a formality, just some bullshit we need to get through before we can advance the plot to the next station of the WC2026 canon; and if any team deviates from their assigned script, they get refballed into oblivion
>>156710896bro genuinely seek help wtf are u seeing????
>>156713860This
>>156714793that's like being a nog who when asked if he had breakfast he replies he did not and won't accept any possibility of not having breakfast being framed as a hypothetical. This is 2 opinions, one is it hit a wire and very much is a possibility because the wires were there and the ball was in the air for the ball to hit a wire. the other is "I didn't see anything" "the side view shows nothing" "I can't see a deflection on the behind the goal cam" "any movement to the right is the goalie slicing the ball" "FIFA says their sensor didn't show a heartbeat". Well as it is now accepted that FIFA ca ndo no wrong and this WC has been the cleanest ever and every tournament and every league should follow FIFA's great management of the game everyone should expect /sp/ to be very short of threads complaing about FIFA, VAR, sensors, wires, offside, fouls, yellow cards, red cards, covering of mouths, hydration breaks, FIFA rules in general.
>>156714797>Lampards shot crossed the line, Sol Campbells goal should’ve stood, Diego Maradona used his hand, beckham barely touched simeone, Rooney never should’ve saw red.Uhhh unless you have some glitched 3D simulator proof of all these, the vikings won't believe you.
Football world cup? More like bitching world cupcringe
>>156713860Sadly FIFA stabilized it in realtime in Davinci Resolve.
I don't care if the ball touched the wire and should have resulted in a dropped ball and no goal. Personally I think that's silly. The main issue for me is how Fifa is lying about it. Like they lied about the Croatia game with the ball sensor. They claim they've looked at the ball sensor data and that is shows no bump. Even though you can plainly see the ball clipping the wire in high def replay. However in the Croatia game where the ball touches a strand of hair on the Croatia player there's a huge bump in the sensor. Fifa is literally falsifying their shit. I'm not a conspiracy it-wuz-rigged! kind of guy, but this whole thing just reeks. VAR has been a complete disaster and instead of helping refereeing games, it has made it worse. Refs and their mistakes are part of the game. But when you take it to some backrooms to be decided the whole thing just becomes worse.At least make it more like the NFL does. If there's not an obvious mistake, the call on the field stands. Not some the player's nose was possibly 2 mm offside or the ball possibly touched someone's lock of hair. If you're not 100% certain, the call on the field stands. Bring back THE REF IS A WANKER WE WUZ ROBBED IT'S A DISGRACE. It's part of the experience.
>>156710559Norway getting eliminated has literally sent Reddit into psychosis
>>156715021>I don't care if the ball touched the wirethanks mate, not reading the rest of this novel albeit.
>>156715021they aren't lying you dumbass. they provided the sensor data because it was such an easy way to disprove the retarded rumors about a cable. if they wanted to mislead, they'd not say anything about the incident at all.
>>156711205What's with english retired players hating on their NT?
>>156711504The ball is already spinning weirdly before it reaches the top of its arc. For me that is pretty conclusive the goalkeeper just miskicked it. Reminder that the only actual witness to this was Nyland, who kicked the ball in the first place. The Norwegian manager admitted in his post-match interview that he never saw this happen. The only person with a reason to lie (it was his error) is the only person who apparently saw it hit the wire and then it spread from there.The first news outlet to report it were FOX Sport, who did not verify this claim.
>>156715042>using albeit at the end of a sentenceEmbarrassing.>>156715079What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
>>156715098Rooney is a pundit for BBC Sport's football coverage, it's not surprising that he's been told that pundits need to separate themselves from other opinions.
>>156715098The BBC give him 10k a week to talk out of his arse.
>>156714480Ok, so after the drop ball how to Norway stop Bellingham just running through 5v1?
>>156710896
>>156715101see >>156713312it is not true that Nyland was the only one who claimed to see it, so you are misinformed there
>>156715138I'll never trust this shit after Croatia x Portugal
>>156715098Does NT stand for negro team?
>>156715145I didn't know the bench claimed it too but I'd be interested to know if they started claiming it after Nyland claimed it. Because even in that article the coach admits he didn't see it and the person who "saw it best" was Nyland, who is the person with the most reason to lie about it because it was him miskicking the ball.
>>156715187nyland could also not be lying and just be mistaken, if he sliced the ball it wasn't intentional
>>156715187>I'd be interested to know if they started claiming it after Nyland claimed itMe too, it could very well be a case of some kind of social confirmity, one person on the bench say it happened and the rest followed.I don't think solbakken is lying at the very least because he admits he didin't see it, which why would he do that
this is the soccer equivalent of that famous bigfoot video
>>156715217OR he's a pretty shit keeper... slices the ball with a shit ton of backspin, and tries to save face by pointing at the sky... then like monkeys they all follow him pointing at the skyBro also flubbed a catch resulting in a goal...Literally multiple times a week in league games you see players who are adamant something happened like a handball and they all copy like monkeys only for the replay to show otherwise
Playing Devil's Advocate and assuming that the ball did hit a wire, there's nothing the ref could have done about it. There is no clear footage of it happening and the internals of the ball and camera did not detect anything either.At that point you're asking the referee to overturn a goal based on something that possibly happened but has no clear evidence backing it. It would have been farcical and led to much stronger claims of refball in the other direction.
>>156710896It even bounces back up. Insane.
>>156710559Doong mental gymnastics over this when Haaland's push was even more bullshit.
>>156715079FIFA dindu nuthin
>>156715340You have never been allowed to two handed shove somebody onto their ass like that. The bullshit part was Norway getting to retake the corner when it should have been a free kick to England.
>>156715310Pretty much this end of story.VAR is for "clear and obvious" errors... in this case it is not clear or obvious as autists have spent 2 days analysing the footage and still can't present a compelling case. Based on the video evidence and ball data VAR would not have done anything even if used at the time.
>>156715340Posts like yours don't help though, because you just make cable believers look even more retarded.Even the most fervent England hater you can find that actually watches football would agree a double handed push over is a foul
My only problem with the Norway-England discourse is that it seems like people will call literally every decision that went England's way refball even though you will see those decisions go those ways 9 times out of 10 on a weekly basis during the season.A two handed shove to the chest putting somebody on their ass is getting given as a foul in the build-up basically every time. A goal is never getting disallowed for a phantom touch of a wire that footage can't clearly show and sensors couldn't detect.You just get the feeling that if you swapped their shirts nobody would be complaining about calls like this. If you swapped Haaland with Dan Burn and Anderson with Odegaard nobody would be questioning anything. It's a clear foul in the build-up. If it was Norway scoring from Pickford slicing a pass nobody would be questioning if it had the 0.00001% chance of hitting a wire despite none of the software detecting this.These are two calls that would be going the same way 99% of the time. The only reason people are acting like it's an injustice is because it was England. It feels like there are a lot of tourists who don't watch this sport regularly who are ready to call any decision in England's favour refball even when these calls are hardly marginal and would have been called the way they were called if it was some shit like Brighton v Newcastle too.
>>156715485Yes I agree, but the wire still existsFIFA made a major blunder posting that sensor data
>>156715485the only team that has any right to claim they were hard done by when playing against us is ghana
>>156715310>At that point you're asking the referee to overturn a goal based on something that possibly happened but has no clear evidence backing it. It would have been farcical and led to much stronger claims of refball in the other direction.This, it's madness "We're disallowing a goal for something footage doesn't clearly show that the ball's in-built touch sensor suggests never happened"If this had happened in a certain other game and Egypt had had a goal disallowed for the ball touching a wire that there is no footage of and the ball didn't detect, people would be screaming VARgentinaBut because it's England, ABEs expect refs to rule against England with no evidence
>>156715533I'm not talking about disallowing the goal, but if we continue down the path of Devil's Advocate and consider this you'll see the problem
The funny thing is I don't even think the Spence penalty should have stood. The argument about "you're allowed to step across and shield the ball in possession" only works when you have enough space to do so he can't get his leg in place to shield the ball without touching the defender which means it was contested.
>>156715521How is proving the ball didn't hit anything a "blunder" though...The only blunder here is you guys fell for Fox News clickbait based on lines that didn't even track the ball... then rather than admit you got tricked you refuse to back down and just keep believing
>>156715526>the only team that has any right to claim they were hard done by when playing against us is ghanaOh absolutely. Based on the rules Konsa's challenge should have been a yellow card and a penalty. It's not a straight red like people say because it happened inside the box and should have led to a penalty. The fact he didn't get penalised at all was scandalous.
I think the ball touched the wire, and I think the goal should have stood anyway. It was not part of the attacking phase and it's not like Bellingham skied the ball, it hit a wire, and bounced down into the net. What bother me is how FIFA is lying about the whole thing and posting "evidence" like we see here. >>156715546
>>156715577It does though, see this >>156713646You can see the ball suddenly change trajectoryYou can even replicate the webm yourself by using fifas offical xitter post: https://x.com/fifamedia/status/2076088395147723022
>>156715550IMO the ref got all of the major decisions correct.Haaland fouled Anderson in the build-up to the disallowed goal, so no goal.No conclusive evidence of contact with the wire, so the first England goal can't be overturned. Not a clear and obvious error.Spence forces the foul inside the box but Bobb has no room to manoeuvre, so it's not a penalty.The major calls in the game were mostly common sense. The only thing that was 50/50 was that some refs would have given Spence the penalty but personally I don't think it was one.
>>156715615Just your shitty footage glitching.Weird how none of the side angles show this sudden dip...
>>156710559Even if it did, isn't that part of the game? I remember seeing a video of a match where the ball hit something in the air and goes back, and the players just kept on playing
>>156715682For Norway it's just a coping mechanism as none of them can explain how Bellingham sliced open their arseholes 5v1
>>156710559>still caring about cable gatewhy is nobody talking about the fly the ball hit at 57'? webms/images to come
This is becoming psychotic
>>156715656>Just your shitty footage glitching.You mean FIFAs shitty footage
>>156715298>Literally multiple times a week in league games you see players who are adamant something happened like a handball and they all copy like monkeys only for the replay to show otherwisei saw someone saying that the ball could be shit kek
>>156710896We entering literal John F Kennedy assassination/Bigfoot tier footage here
>>156710896it's official. Norway won. World Cup is totally bogus. Cancel it.
>>156715747If you want to show it hitting something and dropping down, a side angle makes more sense.
>>156715747It's low quality grainy ass shit - the angle is just deceptive at best.You're not pinning all your hopes on a downward dip, and this simply does not show on any high quality side angle
>>156715820>the grains made the ball teleport and sharply change angle o algoyeah not buying it, how about FIFA release some higher quality footage from the same angle when their own footage suggests the ball hit something?
>>156712506Who's really coping here?
Kek reddit is seething about this since the match, they are getting /x/schizo tier. Fuck emmLike, I saw like 20 different POVs of the """cable"", and I can't find it, there's nothing touching the ball.Fuck reddit and fuck haaland for becoming their poster-boy
Worst thing about this shit is everyone can see it hit nothing, but Norway fags now have to deal with this forever... I guess welcome to the World Cup where stupid shit happens and you can't do fuck all because FIFA control the narrative and you can't appeal anything.Whilst everyone else forgets about it by tomorrow they've been buck broken for life and cursed to think about it forever.I honestly wouldn't wish that on anyone... pretty sure everyone in here has a few World Cup moments that scarred them for life... RIP Norway's mental health
>>156715864Please show that dip on the 4k side angleIt's literally just the camera angle fucking with youSee:>>156711504
gravity is... LE REAL?
>>156710896ALIENS CONFIRMED??????
>>156710896can't see shit captain
>>156715526>>156715580Ghana didn't appeal for a foul and VAR would have reviewed the infraction on Eze beforehand.
Schlerpaderps goal should have been disallowed, I saw it get pulled into the top of the net by an invisible alien tractor beam
>>156711577Messi looks jewish so of course...
>>156715615The snickometer reading said there was no contact, this is the same technology that could detect the Croatian player's hair brushing against the ball vs Portugal. That is more objective than trying to analyse compressed video footage from a moving camera with a number of artifacts and a limited framerate.And you're completely ignoring the fact that the camera wires are above the skycam, and they are suspended from very high towers in each corner and would have to be reasonably taut. So it's unlikely that the wires would be that low in the stadium that a player could hit it with a goal kick.Also footballs taking unusual flightpaths is not a new phenomenon. The Jabulani in 2010 was notorious for this, and Joe Hart remarked much early in the tournament how GKs were conceding goals they usually wouldn't because the ball travels weirdly.The evidence that there was no contact massively outweighs the evidence that there was contact at this point, unless you just blatantly refuse to have an open mind about the topic. And even if we entertain the idea that the ball did hit a wire, it literally does not matter. This contact happened well into the build-up, and since it happened so high up in the air it did not affect any Norwegian player's ability to play the ball since the change in trajectory was relatively slight and could easily be read by every player on the pitch. Most of the rules regarding interference with an outside agent refers to when the ball hits a referee, or when the ball bounces off an object and directly ends up in the goal. The rule doesn't exist to just rule out goals whenever they feel like it. And none of it excuses Norway's shitty defending for this goal.
>>156715959I sincerely can't see it from the side angle, and I've gone through that footage many times.Atleast not in the webm posted, I tried getting the footage from my own source of the same angle, but it was too low-res to be able to even see the ball. Can't rule out it being AI upscaled or have additional frames.No matter the case, I clearly see it from the angle of the goal posted by FIFA themselves, where I believe it definitely does change angle.
All we need is the recorded video from the wired camera. Did the video shake or not?However FIFA already deleted that video.
Cable is hardly all that impressive. The denied goals are the real suspects. Don't fall for the discredition program (flat earth / mystery cable) - keep the focus on the real issue; referees choosing winners.
>>156716082This footage IS from that camera:>>156715615The Reddit and /x/ response is GIMBALS
>>156716061>this is the same technology that could detect the Croatian player's hair brushing against the ball vs Portugal. That is more objective than trying to analyse compressed video footage from a moving cameraIn fact it isn't. The video footage was live, while the sensor data was released by FIFA up to a day later, and we have no access to it before FIFA decides to show us.If the video footage shows one thing and the sesnor data shows another thing, I believe the visual data is the harder evidence.
>>156716118>while the sensor data was released by FIFA up to a day later,No it wasn't. ITV showed it at the end of the match.
>>156710896https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz2wnSVeITg
Amuses me that tourists believe FIFA would rig anything in England's favour
>>156716149Prove it, I call your bullshit
>>156710896This looks more like swamp gas causing a fluctuation in the density of the air
>>156710896Graphical artifact of the ball crossing into a black area of the screen
It's interesting how one guy says something that spreads to the entire team and then millions of people in the world, even creating hallucinations. All this despite that literally noone saw it happening live
>>156716171https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eXxoE-g8c
>>156712044Norway didn't make the law, FIFA did. So you can't just ignore it because it's stupid and would take your goal away
>>156716118The video data you're looking at is not hard evidence for forensic-level analysis, due to the artifacts that occur from the movement of the camera, the framerate of the camera, the video compression, any data loss that occurs during the broadcast and any post processing that occurs when the video gets uploaded onto the internet. Then there's the fact that you're only seeing this from one particular angle, in the side view the ball completes its arc normally with no major disruptions beyond the spin of the ball that the keeper applies with his kick.Your entire argument for dismissing the snickometer rests on the assumption that FIFA are deliberately doctoring the snickometer readings when they release them. You have absolutely zero evidence to back up that claim, beside the fact that your feelings were hurt. If FIFA really did want to benefit England in this match, they would have called the (non-fouls) against Kane leading up to the first Norway goal, and the one against Spence for the penalty shout towards the end. So even if we assume FIFA rigged it for England, the narrative still doesn't line up.
>>156716297Alright, I was under the impression that this footage was only released until late sunday, but yeah you're rightInteresting and thanks anon, I genuinely thought you were just trolling meHOWEVER, it was still released after the fact of the live footage, but it does make the story of FIFA more trustworthy atleast
>>156716243you're 100% correct. none of the Norwegian players nor the coach react, look at the ref, or anything. jude scores and they still don't protest. the cable claim was made up by the keeper
>>156716338Sorry but this is just bullshit, the brodcasts of multiple sources show the same thing. I could take a recording of my local sports channel which would have different compression and different artifacting and it shows the ball doing the SAME exact thing.So the glitch or what you describe it as, must've been consistent for atleast 3 or more broadcasts.I only picked the FIFA source because it's the one that least people would go up in arms about of not being a proper source
>>156713955
Also, if people want another example of the camera glitching out in sports, here's a tennis example.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L49kousn7ic
>>156716431Every country's broadcaster uses the same camera footage from FIFA, that's why it's all the same. You're not seeing the same thing from multiple sources, you're just looking at one source multiple times.
>>156716431the ball takes a weird trajectory because the backspin gave it extra lift, making the descent look sudden and unnatural
>>156716243People will latch onto anything that confirms their bias. All you need is for one guy to say anything and suddenly everyone will run with it and even convince themselves that they came to the conclusion themselves and not from being told it.
>>156716429Zoom in chud you can see the cable blocking the defenders from getting to Bellingham
>>156716495This is not something a camera glitch can do unless it is extremely broken, even taking framrate into consideration >>156713646The general shape of the ball is preserved and the frame rate is consitent, you can see it take a sharp turnCouple that with the fact that there are multiple eyewitnesses seeing they saw the same thing, just as this coincidental camera glitch happened
>>156716577The dip is not on the higher resolution side angle... so yes it is likely a compression artifact of the ball passing over a black area of the frameNow we've solved that, let's discuss how Norway's defense got GAPED open like a choirboys arsehole on a Sunday
>>156716596>artifact of the ball passing over a black area of the frameIt's not even passing over the black frame clip I showed you...
>>156716429https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZhD9rgGl-8&t=58sNobody on the bench so much as twitches.
>>156716577>This is not something a camera glitch can do unless it is extremely brokenThe ball starts to blend in with the colours of the crowd when it is high in the air in that angle. That is very much the sort of situation where video compression can cause artifacts.>multiple eyewitnesses seeing they saw the same thingIt was only the keeper that initially claimed to witness it, no-one else at the time mentioned it, otherwise there would have been a much bigger deal made of it during the match itself.
Bored of this now.Are Norway ready to talk about how they let Bellingham job 5 of their finest "men"
>>156716671>le artifactsRight so we'll just ignore that the entire ball took a sharp turn downwardsI guess all the artifacts must've coalesced together to create the illusion of a ball, while removing the previous position of where the ball should actually be
LOOK AT THIS INCREDIBLY BITCRUSHED SLOW MOTION VIEW OF THE BALLI DON'T KNOW WHAT VIDEO ENCODING IS, IT CLEARLY HIT SOMETHING
>>156716338>The video data you're looking at is not hard evidence for forensic-level analysis, due to the artifacts that occur from the movement of the camera, the framerate of the camera, the video compression, any data loss that occurs during the broadcast and any post processing that occurs when the video gets uploaded onto the internet.You're just thrown together a bunch of buzzwords. Artifacts are a type of data loss. The framerate of the camera will be through the roof for a sporting event, the highest possible - for viewing and also for being able to snapshot at particular times and get a clear image despite heavy movement. As for data loss, that would produce maybe a little block where it in reality it should be a circle, stuff like that. An artifact is something remaining in one part of the screen that should actually have been gone, but because they're trying to scrimp on the bitrate the compression algorithm often makes a guess on what should and shouldn't be there and sometimes gets it wrong hence artifacts. None of these explain watching a ball change direction in mid-air.
>>156716691probably never at this ratealso their keeper spilling a stinger into open space
>>156716671The keeper didn't say shit when it happened. It wasn't till half time they piped up, once Fox News's dog shit commentary had spread around the stadium. >>156716707see >>156716457
>>156716707Video compression algorithms work by trying to take shortcuts and remove redundant data. When you have footage of a moving ball, the algorithm might try to instead predict the path of the ball based on the previous few frames. The stability mechanisms on the camera may also try to make adjustments to the captured footage on the fly to accommodate the camera's movement. Then when it turns out the ball is actually in a different position to where it originally anticipated, it would suddenly jerk back to its true position in the video feed and make it look like the ball took a sharp turn. Looking at the flight of the ball from the side angle (>>156716429), you can see there is no sudden jerk of the ball, just a smooth arc.So yes, an artifact is by far the most likely explanation for what you are seeing.
Surely there's footage from the camera on the wire that shows the camera wobbling as the ball hits the wire? It hasn't been released? Because it didn't happen and you're all schizo from eating pickled herring you money Scandinavian fucks.
>>156716811>the algorithm might try to instead predict the path of the ball based on the previous few framesSo you're claiming the compression can predict where the ball would bein that case>ball from the side angleIf this footage is also compressed and not raw, then it could be that if the ball hit the wire on a frame that was either not captured or compressed away, it would try to predict where it would go instead of showing the impact.
Doesnt matter if it hit the camera or not, Infantino is NOT gonna put Norway vs Argentina no matter how popular Haaland is on social media.England vs Argentina is more profitable.
>>156717026Cool it with the antisemitism you're gonna scare the missus.
Eurofags should watch more baseball, they clearly have no clue what crazy things balls can do in the air when you put spin on them
>>156711690Nearly all software/hardware is intrinsically insecure— it would be trivial to gain surreptitious access prior or during the match to deploy the spider camera in a way that took advantage of ball RFID + GPS to intercept— trivial, because FIFA wouldn't want to notice, and wouldn't want to spend to secure it proactively. Track betting across platforms, and at the moment of the deflection.
>>156712005Norway has to raise holy hell of a stink immediately, if only to win concession of automatic qualification for nect world cup + their choice of group to join; penalty shootout to re-decide the match would be even better.
>>156712080Weak. English molesting prior. Argentina will do that to you with Infantinoball 10x with impunity.
>>156713071>the goal should stand anywayCamera triangulation cannot lie. Footage has to be forensically audited by not-FIFA. Sensors and software can be compromised. They cannot say that camera doesn't have footage. The Norwegian window of timely rectification is short— they have to demand that camera and all others' footage immediately.
>>156713646Spin change is a bigger smoking gun than acceleration or trajectory. HR footage will be decisive.
>>156714540based parmenion
>>156710559Then England had a clear penalty overturned by VAR later, a much more significant officiating error than some minor disturbance to a goal kick. They still had to do the entire attack after the cable.This is silly. At this point I am not sure if the tech inside the ball even exists like Fifa say, after all the Croatia goal was disallowed when the ball does not appear to have moved even slightly, which is completely inconsistent with this cable business.
>>156717085They should watch Snooker or Pool, it'll melt their brain. Must be magnets in the table.
>>156710896if you are trying to say that norway lost because of THIS then they probably should have just play better, this schizo pixel hunting is like blaming wind
>>156715021>The main issue is FIFA lying about itSoft rigging is nearly all rigging (yellows/foul rate). They WOULD be performative about it IF it was reversed against Norway— except this is their preferred outcome, because England's nearly as fagged out as Argentina after the Mexico match, then this Norway one in the heat. Norway's FA has to sue for the unadulterated footage from all cameras, the sensor data (and software), and that ball itself (and/or all match balls to determine if any had unique sensor identifiers vs. what should be generic; and/or malfunctioning sensor). FIFA can't say no without Streissand Effecting themselves into a corner. If there was fuckery, this is the kind of future deterrent you need to set precedent.
This one norwegian is the most seething reddit faggot I've ever seen
>>156716243Including Zlatan and Rooney.
>>156710559Just do better next wc bros
>>156717413I'm not even seething, I'm trying to reason with youNot out for English blood, but for FIFA blood
>>156717414zlatan would eat his own turd to keep the camera pointed at him, and rooney is a well known retard
>>156717385>Streissand Effecting themselves into a cornerWorks two ways, Norway become the eternal bitch and FIFA just say >whoops lol k
>>156710559who the fuck cares if it did or didnt
I has a question: Are the images we see of Haaland and the manager and other Norweighan players pointing upwards them complaining to the referee directly after the incident, or is it something else? This is all I need to know to make up my mind on it. They're not just all going to conspire together to blame the camera wires if England score after a goal kick.
>>156717810It was aliens
>>156717414The Zlatan quote was aislop on xitter
>>156717810>They're not just all going to conspire together to blame the camera wires if England score after a goal kick.The original claim came from Nyland, their keeper, who is the one who fucked up the pass in the first place. It only takes one person to claim it for everybody to start parroting it. They also don't react until long after the goal is scored.
>>156717810I made up my mind when the coach claimed it hit the wires and then admitted in his post match interview that he didn't actually see this happen and was just repeating what nyland saidThis was after lots of anons and news outlets claiming the coach saw it happenNow apparently some unnamed players on the bench saw it too, but afaik they started claiming they saw it AFTER nyland said itTo me it's chinese whispers
>>156712280match result should be nullified due to England breaking the laws of physics and inverting entropy
>>156717810Solbakken claimed the bench reacted spontaneously as the ball hit the ground, now all it would take to disprove that is clear footage from the benchWhich we don't have, and I'd LOVE to FUCKING have because this is driving me insane
>>156718037>Solbakken claimed the bench reacted spontaneously as the ball hit the ground, now all it would take to disprove that is clear footage from the benchI doubt this because you can actually see that he doesn't react to it here >>156716645
>>156718076Solbakken himself didin't claim to see it, but he claims the bench saw itI also can't view that because I'm regioncucked
>>156710559I will have to intervene if this baseless gossip continues. Stay safe.
Guys listen I am SO SO sorry that the Norwegian goalie kicked the ball too high and it hit some wire that made it change course very slightly such that you need special software to prove it happened, and then England scored later. I'm VERY sorry about this. Please disqualify us and let Norway play Norway play Argentina instead. This crime against humanity cannot - CANNOT - be allowed to stand. Send us home. It's over. Next time Argentina!
>>156718076Exact article with his wordinghttps://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/norway-coach-convinced-ball-hit-cable-before-england-goal-quarter-final-2026-07-12/JUST PROVE SOMETHING, I LITREALLY DONT GIVE A FUCKhow tf in 2026 can we not easily figure out whether ANYBODY was lying when there are cameras everywhere
>>156718152The boys are back home and I'd rather see you play Argentina so you can feel what being on the receiving end of a rig is like
>>156718207If Argentina tries to rig us again, our fans will break Messi's legs. Please remember we have been on the receiving end of the most famous and explicit rig (the hand of God) of all time. OF ALL TIME!
>>156710559>"England has the worst fans">Does this when they loseDo redditors really
>>156718207>so you can feel what being on the receiving end of a rig is likeStatistically we have the most calls go against us of any team in the last 8. We already know.
>>156718265That is true but that was clearly too long ago. You've forgotten. Gotten too comfortable. FIFA will not let this stand
>>156718287FIFA has shown complete negligance, and the only proof they have shown is their "sensor" data, that can apparently detect a goddamn hair touching the ball which is the reason why croatia lost against portugalWe have no other footage, not even fans filming it, HELLO?Even fucking footage of the bench would prove the norwegian side of the claims but NOPE
>>156718362*disproveWith 80k in the stadium you would have thought we would haave someone filiming the bench or the ball from another angle than what FIFA released.Nothing to prove the FIFA side except their own data, and nothing to disprove the norwegian side (which would be rellay fucking EASY with footage of the bench as the ball hits the ground) but NOPENO raw footage, so people can keep on claiming it's compressed or whateverINSTEAD they release this shitty goddamn sensor data that no one trusts because of the croatia x portugal match, and that's fucking it, end of story
>>156715485>like people will call literally every decision that went England's way refballIf only they do.
All this to avoid saying Haaland was bad lmfao *smashes your little drum into kindling*
>>156716429I definitely cannot see any noticeable change in direction on these side views. The ball is certainly hit very high by the keeper with backspin, and comes down like a gust of wind caught it slightly. Could the wind actually be the cable, I don't know for sure.
>>156710616>>156710750>>156710769It's not even about England you dense mfer
>>156716962These cameras have stabilisers and shit, I doubt even strong gusts would make them wobble much let alone a slight brush on their cables metres away.
>>156718550That and it's a fucking steel wire. This isn't a 100g nylon string. That shit isn't budging an inch unless the ball is made of tungsten
>>156718474I don't give a single fuck about HaalandEither the claim about the people on the norwegian bench reacting immidiatelty, even before the keeper, is false, which would destroy Solbakkens testimony. OR Fifas sensors are wack.We've already established that no footage can be trusted because of compression, so they need to release raw footage from the goal keepers perspective.I've already shown the ball taking a werid angle from the footage that was released, and I can do no more. I do find it strange that you don't see the same in the side angle, but fuck as this anon said >>156716811 it could be could be compression, or the side angle could be compression. So it's quite litreally 50/50.I beg you to find footage disproving that people on the bench didn't react immidiately, or otherwise.SOMEONE OUT THERE YOU'RE UP FOR THE TASK
>>156718635burden of proof is on you THO
>>156718669Look at this >>156713646then furthermore this >>156716811there's no more I can do unless I recorded the match myself life in RAW video and uploaded it myselfThe ball takes a clear hard turn in the video I posted, but it could be compression predicition of the ball path, furthermore, by the same argument, the ball hit of the ball could have been inbetween frames in the sideview >>156711504 here.So the conclusion is that we cannot trust the video, we cannot trust the sensors.We do know that Solbakken strongly claimed that people on the bench reacted immidiately upon the ball hitting the ground.So the only clear proof we can have is whether people on the bench reacted immdiately upon the ball hitting the ground, before the keeper, of which we have no footage of.
>>156718426Well you know I could understand the English crowd not uploading material but there were lots of Norweigans in that stadium, why don't one of them prove it?
>>156718828I don't know I wish some idiot posted it, as I said I can't do no more.Every piece of data we have has been proven unreliable. I have no more data to go on, except testimony.
>>156718747>So the only clear proof we can have is whether people on the bench reacted immdiately upon the ball hitting the ground, before the keeper, of which we have no footage of.So you have nothing. Weird that.
>>156718984Yep, I have nothingYou have successfully proven that video does not substitute as proof unless it is uncompressedWhich of course FIFA compressess all video with H.264 or HEVC,Therefore we cannot trust what we saw in the match at all, and we cannot be sure the match even happened because it could all be compression artifacts.The only ones who saw the match were the ones who were in the stadium and those are the only witnessess who can speak of this.
>>156713022screaming dont remind methat was insanevs germany no less
>>156711504Zoomed in on the side view.In the middle of this clip, when the ball passes the second aisle, you can see two things:1: The ball slows down in the upward direction and continues moving primarily forward only. The arc seems to be interrupted.2: At the same time the ball starts spinning differently. The red patch/area of the ball now points in one direction (backwards and down).One or both of these things could have other explanations.
>>156713760That's just the spin retardo
>>156719095Sorry compression artifactsDo you have a neural stream you can upload to my brain of the experience?
>>156719113One moment, I'll see if I can enhance it too
>>156718747someone's claim is obviously less trustworthy than video evidence
>>156719129(That was a joke btw, no enhancement sorry)
>>156719163(It's okay, I was joking too)
>>156719033We can all speak of this. You got knocked out and nothing is going to change that.
>>156719213Yes, and I'm not trying to change that, and I never will change that
>>156719188yeah I was talking to the retards in the back
I'm not being funny but I can't see anything on any of the videos that have ever been posted of this. I can't figure out where the cable is supposed to be, I can't even see a camera. People seem surprised that the ball has spin on it and doesn't travel in a straight line.
>go collect daughter from school>spend hours playing with her>just bathed her and she's asleep now>come check /sp/ for any new posts>Norway bro still zooming in on pixelsBrother t's time to rest... your autism won't actually change anything except negatively affect your mental healthWe've all been there... people said Lampard's Germany goal in 2010 didn't actually cross the line too despite the video footage and probably still do to this day
>>156719332Just pointing out what I see from the available sources>>156719290>when the ball passes the second aisleThat's my claim
>>156719387What's the end goal though? Nothing changes...The game continued as if nothing happened and England sliced through the defence like butter. It's probably more interesting to talk about why that happened
>>156719387Right, you may as well tell me there's a big purple dinosaur coming out the gangway because I can't see that either.>>156715101>Reminder that the only actual witness to this was NylandNyland complaining about sensors not going off is a bit fucking rich
>>156719446>Nyland complaining about sensors not going off is a bit fucking richAgain, according to widespread belief Nyland is not the only actual fucking witnessWhy are we perpitrating this lie still?Multiple interviews have said there were many more than Nyland seeing it happen, much longer before Nyland even reacted.
>>156719417I'm not expecting us to return and play the semi-final against Argentina. But figuring out whether the ball hit a wire or not in this case will make it easier to handle any such incident in a later match.
>>156711504it's very concerning that this fucking shit is causing so much controversy.
>>156713872>>156714708>>156715261>>156715767
>>156719619It's compression, there's guarantee that the moment that the ball hit the wire is included in this videoFuthermore if there's compression applies to this video, it could have predicted the path of the ball
>>156719670change your translator you're not making any sense, change your glasses also
>>156719692I told you, the video is no definite proof
>>156710559>8:33Congratulations op! 12 whole hours of seethe
>>156719752Don't worry, you'll have plenty of other issues to discuss after Wednesday
>>156717893>who is the one who fucked up the pass in the first place.It's a goal kick. You kick it as long and as hard as you can and hope one of your guys get on the end of it. While it would be hoped that you give them a chance to get it it wouldn't be some embarrassing fuck up if you couldn't because it's just a speculative kick, often mocked for its crudeness.
>>156719752actually impressive given how quickly threads die atm
>>156719829I just won't let this be buriedThe only counter-argument to the footage I've shown is that it must've been compression prediction the path of the football.By extenstion that includes the sideways view, because we know both videos are compressed with the same codex, so where does that leave us?No. Fucking. Where. So either drop that ridicoulous claim so that we can continue, or we will have to rely on footage of the bench.
>>156719752Do you think they'll ever reach your 40 years of seethe?
>>156719900>I just won't let this be buriedyeah we know
>>156713015>it's licence-fee fundedThat's just a technicality and you know it.We used to have the same thing until 2019 when they rolled it into the taxes as an "obligatory license" after butthurt that no one younger than 50 wanted to pay to be propagandized by the state and actively refused to do so.
>>156719920mmm no it's just a licence fee and we can avoid paying it, unlike you because your country switch it out with a tax.
>>156710598It'll already be afcon if the championship game is france v england, doesn't matter if there's controversy or not
>>156719900with all the real error of arbitration, players cheating and not getting caught, you're going to waste your time on an imaginary cable hit ? it's fine if you want to waste your life just stop wasting our time as well
>>156719910i'm not even close to being 40 so i don't know what you're on about
>>156719979>imaginary cable hitNot proven, as I said, the footage can't be trustedNow if you admit the footage CAN be trusted, we can go somewhere
>>156719933>we can avoid paying for itRight up until support for the BBC dies. Then you'll see Labour or more likely what remains of the Tories roll it into taxes.Like I said we had the exact same thing here. The second it looked like it was going away they forced it.
>>156720003I don't give a shit man, I don't care about soccer, I dont care about norway and I don't care about england. if I see it hits a cable then it hits a cable, if I don't see it then I don't see it. I find it hilarious that you see all this 3d rendering and drawn over footage to prove something that you can't see on the actual footage.
>>156720014just two more weeks until the BBC dies
>>156720064I don't see shit, all I see is compression artifactsVideo is fake, it doesn't exist, you can't prove that anything that happened on video really did occurYou can't prove that the universe didn't sponteneously come to exist in this very moment out of all the different permutations of chaos. The next momement it could go out in a burst of glory, without you ever realizing.Yesterday didn't exist, and tomorrow may never come. Nothing is true.
>>156720123holy mother of cope
>Norwegians dissecting low quality footage in an attempt to disprove gravity
>>156720212Hey why don't you focus on fixing your shitty wires
>>156720299Your whole retarded ass argument is based on not knowing what spin rate is and completely ignoring the initial trajectory of the ball
>>156720371>initial trajectory of the ballBall goes up, players run forward
>>156717127I think their football association wants to be careful so the team is not perceived as sore losers, even though they absolutely would be in the right to do it
>>156720371The whole ass argument is dependant on video footage, but since we have ruled out that video footage as not reliable earlier in this thread, we'll have to exist in a state of confusion about what proof we really have.
>>156715101they're also using a different/weird ball, many keepers were already complaining about how it was curving differently than the traditional ball. looks like you got under it and gave it a lot of backspin, and the physics of the new ball made it lose velocity and "drop". funny because you can see the same thing happen with the argetina goal in extra time, the ball has a curve that makes it just drop out of the sky directly behind the keeper's reach.I don't know why this thread is full of artifact videos when FIFA released the official chip accelerometer data which shows 0 impacts in the air.
kek fuck is wrong with you /sp/
>>156720526see >>156715615
>>156720420
>>156715615>if we remove the science and use art, I can win an argument about physics...
>>156720541Mass hysteria
>>156720565see >>156715615you can clearly see the ball not following it's trajectory
>>156720550see >>156720565try again
>>156720594see >>156713646
>>156720541scandi autism is the funniest reaction to a loss yet
>>156720586it's just one guy i think. i bet most norwegians couldn't care less.
>>156720593>>156720610>this video artifact proves...
>>156720621worse, it's an american on a vpn trolling
Nordbro, please stop. You sound like a goddamn schizo.
>>156720668>le artifatyep there we go, so we're back to videos not mattering for anything
>>156720691>schizoI don't give a single fuck. There's no basis on what truth is. We're all just taking a piss.It's just le vague >artifactThen they post the side view camera, but it does not stand to the same scrutiny as the AI upscaled back-view video. It's bias and you know it.FIFA uses the same codec for all their broadcasts. Someone has to call out these faggots.
>>156720691We are two here now, or maybe you are right about us. Anyway what still makes this interesting is the combination of what is seen with the ball and on the field, and the complete blindness and denial of anyone with the opposte view. It's astonishing.
cables are a jewish invention
I have the feeling this is just a smokescreen to cover the fact that Harry play handball before the penalty against Mexico, now that was a steal.
>>156720694>compressed videos matter more than the actual science and datathanks for the concession, now turn off the vpn
>>156720767>my third personality entersAAAARGHHHH where's my pills
The cable is just a distraction from whatever they really did to that ball, the physics just weren't right
>>156720780> more than the actual science and datacan you refer me to this science and data?
>>156720794This. There's alien technology involved here
>>156711504>AI upscaling>looking into the file the frames come in pairs of twohuh, so I guess we take this unconfirmed source video as proof, when I can quite clearly see using a basic video editing program that there are inserted framesBut I wouldn't ask for a source that would be highly reddit
>>156720798He's talking about the (((sensor))), which is a complete mystery in the first place. If it was an accelerometer it should show a distinct very large spike for a hundredth of a second and then be quiescent as the ball flies. Instead in this video it shows a bump that lasts over several video frames long after the ball has left the keeper's foot.
you arent actually going to get the "cablegate" thread to bump limit are you
>>156721470we have to now
>>156721470almost there
>>156718747>>156713312We have footage of the Norwegian bench from the replay. Every single one of them are sat down. Zero reaction.
any final thoughts?
>>156710591yeah this. there was no rigging, but these pieces of shit are straight up lying to you whenever it fits their agenda
>>156721520Intersting then we can conclude at the very end of this thread that Solbakken is a lying cuntVery well, I accept this verdict
>>156721533yeahwhat's for dinner
>>156721570*unzips penis*bon appetit
im not reading all thatcan someone give me a quick summary
>>156721520We are a civilized country we don't chimp out. Or did our coach claim the bench stood up? Would have been nice with a video to see if they called on him or something.
>>156721674Well he did claim that the bench had a reaction immidiately, which the only way he would tell is if they gave physical reactionIf they did not, he lied.
>>156721631The natural physics defenders (the "swerve is legit, no wire" crowd) won the argument.The pro-rigging side (sensor gaslighting, HAIRgate, FIFA hiding it) got the memes and the initial outrage, but the rebuttals with high-res videos, backspin analysis, crowd reaction, and the "no trace of a wire" points dominated. A couple of posts straight-up called the whole thing "/x/ tier" and "schizophrenia," while the physics crowd kept dropping proof it's just normal ball spin and air resistance. The thread ended with the English side feeling validated and the Norwegians still seething about their team's defensive blunder.
>>156721705Exaggerated I suppose, like he said the ball fell right down. The question is whether Nyland was the only one who reacted or if it was also noticed by others.
>>156721778That's already confirmed in this NRK interview >>156713312The question was if his claim that the people on the bench reacted immidiately or not, he never calimed himself to see it happenHowever, he claimed that the people on the bench saw it immidiately, which is brought into question when none of them reacted at all.So therefore his whole testiomony could be false andeverything false apart.
>>156721824*falls, wowe
>>156721824Yeah I'm just questioning whether a still frame or a video for that matter proves that there was no reaction, I wouldn't expect Solbakken to overtly lie. We don't know what they may have talked about.
I dont like norway but the ball 100% hit the cable and the goal should have been cancelled. Simple as
>>156721718thanks good summary
>>156710896>2026>this is the best footage we have of the most decisive moment of a FIFA World Cup quarter final matchApologize to UFO footage recorders
>>156722242When someone said all UFO videos were shit quality I decided to go on youtube and search by newly uploaded, and there were dozens of new videos uploaded every day, mostly from second/third world countries. Many of them high quality, before the time of AI. But it doesn't matter because the videos could be faked with modern editing software, so they all have to be assumed to be fake
>>156722036I'll give Solbakken the benefit of the doubt, but I think what he says doesn't add up to reality.Atleast by now I'm convinced it's not a wire at all and tha Nyland was just coping.No one on the bench was reacting to the ball hitting the wire as it fell to the ground as he claimed they did.
>>156719664you deserve the wc W after this
>>156722482We'll see. I hope he takes it up with FIFA, but the chance of that is slim.
>>156719095I just don't see it
