>Jack Trimpey - Rational Recovery - Addictive Voice Recognition Technique (AVRT)Testimonial: I sincerely recommend Rational Recovery https://youtu.be/S53OjsF3z-w It starts a little slow but in the first video you will already find out about the falsehood of the Disease Concept and the most important part: learning to recognize the addictive voice and making the "I" / "IT" distinction. That really is the core of AVRT. In the second video you will see an emotional moment where Tom is confronted with his addictive voice when he is asked to reach for a glass of drink (resembling a cold beer). That is the shifting technique. In total there are like five videos. Just by watching the first you already learn so much there is about addiction. It totally changed my world. I used it against pornography addiction too.https://files.catbox.moe/w6k3ol.torrentmagnet:?xt=urn:btih:44090cc9bc860dd11e6566758ede2ca63fd410a1&dn=Jack%20Trimpey%20-%20Rational%20Recovery%20-%20Addictive%20Voice%20Recognition%20Technique%20(AVRT)&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3a451%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fopen.stealth.si%3a80%2fannounce
>>1291895Will check it out thanks
To everyone struggling. Cold turkey works for casual 6 beers/night drinkers but actual alcoholics need to taper down or they will go into DT.Read "Rational Recovery." https://files.catbox.moe/gbhmfx.pdf . Also download the torrent above >>1291895 of his videos explaining it if you don't want to read the book.You need to dramatically cut down. If you keep drinking you are at extremely high risk of early alzheimers/dementia. that should scare you enough to quit. alcohol contains an anti-nutrient called Thiaminase(Google it) which blocks your bodies ability to absorb Thiamine, which is extremely important for brain health. alcoholics also tend to not eat well enough already, which compounds the issue. there are a couple of different brain issues that can arise from continued abuse in this manner, they have different names but are basically versions of alzheimers/dementia. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernicke%E2%80%93Korsakoff_syndromeis an example. it can happen as early as your late 40s, so stop now while you're ahead. a good (real)scare is better than any "Yes man" kind words. save money you waste on alcohol, and save your life at the same time.taper off using https://hams.cc/taper/Also:1. Buy a simple wall calendar2. Pin calendar to wall3. Record how many drinks you have that day.4. Go a day without a drink, mark the day with a big red X in markerYou will accumulate days free of booze and will not want to break the streak of red Xs. Put this calendar right by your bed, somewhere obvious that you cannot miss when waking up or going to bed. Once you go a week, it will be so easyYour body is probably lacking in electrolytes and vitamins so first days of your taper drink Pedialyte and supplement B vitamins.You can do this anon.Final point: you do NOT need to understand *why* you are drinking to stop drinking. That's a trap to keep you worried and drinking. Just stop.
>>1292064You're welcome anon
>>1291895>>1292815Thanks lads, not a full blown alcoholic, but I have recognized a pattern and uptick in my drinking I want to keep in check.
>>1291895this guy looks like he doesn't fuck
>>1296436Stacy NO!!!
>>1292815why to they (R) the VART and the beast?
>>1291895Bumping for more seeds. This is important, bros
>>1297499seeding
>>1292815Do those 4 steps you mention also work for porn addiction?
>>1291895bumping and also ventingtrying to regulate my drinking but I find it's something I slip into unless I have something I have an external commitment to or sleep all day. I don't really want to quit entirely because it sounds too boring and pointless and a total slog for anything beyond a month. I know moderation is a meme for people who struggle with not binging, I just hate the binary conversation around addict or sober desu bros. people pretend like that isn't the case but it's so focused on
bumping. I'll dl and then seed for a few weeks at least.>Cold turkey works for casual 6 beers/night drinkersI only drunk regular beers. But yeah like 6-10 / evening for 10+ years. Tried quitting many times. Sometimes 2 weeks, sometimes 3 months. Other times only days.Last streak: no alcohol for almost 18 months now. I still drink beer, but I switched to the 0% alcohol kind. Which has become remarkably good over the years I must admit.Whatever works for you, just keep trying! one failed attempt does not mean failure, perseverance is key.
is there anyone else that immensely enjoys the thrill of getting drunk but can't into alcoholism because you eat way too much all the time? just me?
>>1302786>or sleep all dayI've been sober for a week and this is all I do
bumping to thank the anon who linked this thread from another board before it got shoa'd
>>1306438damn jannies>>1305833i only made it a few days sober last week because i couldn't handle the fatigue
>>1306438you're welcome :)
Or just read "The Drinking Den" by Zola. That did it for me.
6 years clean. People saying being sober/clean is boring have no clue what they’re talking about. Isolation comes for everyone with the disease - your life shrinks to be just you and the drink/drugs. It’s a progressive disease that doesn’t let up. Continuing is literally slow poisoning yourself. The disease progresses like this: Magic (wow drinking/drugs are amazing - look at all the fun times I’m having! I’m going out, having sex, parties - awesome). Medicine: I need my drink/drug to have fun. Everyday. Find excuses to drink even when not really appropriate - pregaming, drinking at your house alone (I gotta have some beers with the game! Who cares that’s it’s just me). Misery: life sucks without drinking. I *have* to drink. Go to a meeting, find a new way of life. If you embrace the program you’ll find it’s a freakin super power to self improvement to the point I pity normies who don’t have access to it. It’s the biggest life hack in the world. I’m grateful I was a hopeless drunk and drug addict, because now I have access to this program that has bettered my life in nearly every way. Do it anons - best of all, meetings are free and anonymous.
What a dumb thread. Slowly stop if you're that bad or just quit if you're not that bad
>>1311121What a dumb post. Slowly stop posting or just kill yourself if you're that bad.
> nobody listened allen carrmagnet:?xt=urn:btih:3004e705c9219e0a5a8832990f5133a6ad56a37b&dn=2392000filename: 979013A01D454FC790E23ECAC04D8C4C
>>1291895Thanks I'll seed this too for a bit.Been drinking way too long and it's tough because I've always been super functioning during my work day and only 9pm-1am. It's getting old tho and I'm liking the gummies more these days anyway I guess.
>>1311380alternative download link for that file:https://library.lol/main/979013A01D454FC790E23ECAC04D8C4C
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good thread
>>1292815Delirium tremors arent a walk in the park, not only is it incredibly dangerous, but it also sucks complete ass. I used to drink 15-25 units of alcohol every weekday and more on the weekends for the past 13-15 years. Its not really worth it, ignoring the economical aspect completely. Now, i wake up at 5 in the morning, my sleep has never been better. I started drinking daily at the legal age (16 here) and never stopped, i considered that i had a problem like 6 years ago and kept on. Last year i was arrested for trying to steal a ferry from Denmark (i live there) to Sweden and soon after lost my job because i was permanently wasted. I can 100% and being completely honest say that i have never been happier than i am now, i still drink, occasionally, during weekends, but not being permanently fucked is fantastic, i cannot stress this enough. When you really think about it, being drunk isnt really that great. I still love being drunk, but its not really that great.
>>1315041Days and says of throwing up and being fucked really sucks. I dont know where you lot are in your abuse, might be less or worse, but even having days now being sober is completely different, hell i dont even want to be drink most of the time anymore, i still appreciate a beer but i dont seek that same feeling that i used to need before every fucking evening. Life is alot lot lot better. Everyone will tell you exactly this and you will disregard it, but everyone says so for a reason. I dont give a fuck anon, drink if you want, i just wanted to share my experience with it. And nowadays i enjoy drinking, whereas before i simply hated not drinking, and drinking was the norm. You can always go back to being an alcoholic, give sober life a chance
>>1315042Also, wierd fucking board to have this thread
>>1306439A few days is a start. It took me a month before my dreams stopped waking me up (dreaming is unbelievably vivid if you reduce your sugar intake, and alcohol is sugar in this case). I would wake up every half hour for a month, but now i sleep like a baby, ive never before had this level of energy in the morning short of being a child, and i wake up at 5
>>1303680One failed attempt is progress, very few people quit and never go back. I have absolute respect for people who work on it. Being sover for 50 years is fine, but the hard part is quitting in the first place, or even reducing the intake which is my case.Im my case, i had actual anxiety in the beginning not having alcohol around before i went to bed, even though i still drink occasionally now, i have days where i want a drink but cant really be bothered to get one because it takes a total of 10minutes of walking combined. There is a way out, mostly in your head. Fuck other people, if all your friends are fucked, go to a meeting and meet new people.I told everyone i know that i was gonna quit alcohol the day i made the decision, most people had alot of respect for that and started contacted me more than they used to
>>1315047yep, it's a cycle you need to break out of. once i even read that alchos are addicted to the disgust they feel towards themselves as much as the alcohol itself as it keeps the cycle goingnobody drinks in excess because they're happy
>>1315040glad you like it anon!
>>1315047>Being sover for 50 years is fine, but the hard part is quitting in the first place, or even reducing the intake which is my case.NTA but i guess it depends how much you drink in the first placei'm on about a litre of vodka a day, quit cold turkey easy back when i was on only 700ml
>>1315041>15-25 units Had to look it up, that's 6 to 10 beers a day (nobody uses units in Romania). I assume it wasn't just beer since drinking 5L/day of anything including water sounds like a sure way to fuck up your kidneys. >arrested for trying to steal a ferry>wastedaccording to GTA mechanics that counts as a BUSTED.>to SwedenIsn't alcohol more expensive in Sweden than Denmark? You must have been really drunk. Good on you mate. I've only gotten accidentally drunk myself (trying to walk the line between remaining just tipsy and drunk, and sporadically failing, pic related). I'm at 2-3 beers per weekday and more than double on weekends (when the beer is the unit of measurement, actually wine and/or liquor. But it's under control. I take tolerance breaks before Easter and Christmas, going dry for a month, which works, sure, I get wasted at the end of them, but then I slow down for a while. I totally have genetic predisposition to alcoholism tho, Good luck.
>>1291895I understand this thread is focused on fighting addiction and more specifically directly recognizing our own behavior, but does anyone have have anything that incorporates religion into fighting addiction? I am beginning to better understand God and what he actually represents, and not just my childish insults, and I wanted to know of there was a "non-disease" focus religious understanding of it all.
>>1326664that's a great question anon. there are articles about occult roots of Alcoholics Anonymous. I'd love to learn the answer as well
Got a feeling this is all woo bullshit but in the odd case that it's not, do you think any of it applies to overeating?
>>1292815This works.I drank a bottle of whiskey or vodka a night, every night, for 20 years. While I did hydrate well and keep fit, it did lasting damage to my brain. My balance is destroyed. My memory is faulty. I've been through extensive testing. There is no reversal. To anyone out there drinking hard; Quit.Do whatever you have to. If you need some faggy programs to help you, then fine. Just wrangle that demon before it damages you irrevocably.
>>1291895my liver failing, throwing up blood and my brother dying of liver cancer convinced me to quit drinking.Easy!
>>1331682>my liver failing, throwing up bloodhow long did it take this to happen? i've been drinking a litre of vodka each day for around the past 6 months and would like to know if i can eventually go back to social drinking
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1 year and 2 months alcohol free today after destroying myself physically, mentally, financially, and emotionally. Most of my 20’s was wasted thanks to liquor. I am slowly picking up the pieces and rebuilding my life in my late 20s now. Recovery is possible
Do you people hear the voices ~1.5 days after you quit from a binge?
>>1337761how much are you binging?
