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>Jack Trimpey - Rational Recovery - Addictive Voice Recognition Technique (AVRT)

Testimonial: I sincerely recommend Rational Recovery https://youtu.be/S53OjsF3z-w It starts a little slow but in the first video you will already find out about the falsehood of the Disease Concept and the most important part: learning to recognize the addictive voice and making the "I" / "IT" distinction. That really is the core of AVRT. In the second video you will see an emotional moment where Tom is confronted with his addictive voice when he is asked to reach for a glass of drink (resembling a cold beer). That is the shifting technique. In total there are like five videos. Just by watching the first you already learn so much there is about addiction. It totally changed my world. I used it against pornography addiction too.

https://files.catbox.moe/w6k3ol.torrent
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>>1291895
Will check it out thanks
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To everyone struggling. Cold turkey works for casual 6 beers/night drinkers but actual alcoholics need to taper down or they will go into DT.

Read "Rational Recovery." https://files.catbox.moe/gbhmfx.pdf . Also download the torrent above >>1291895
of his videos explaining it if you don't want to read the book.

You need to dramatically cut down. If you keep drinking you are at extremely high risk of early alzheimers/dementia. that should scare you enough to quit. alcohol contains an anti-nutrient called Thiaminase(Google it) which blocks your bodies ability to absorb Thiamine, which is extremely important for brain health. alcoholics also tend to not eat well enough already, which compounds the issue. there are a couple of different brain issues that can arise from continued abuse in this manner, they have different names but are basically versions of alzheimers/dementia. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernicke%E2%80%93Korsakoff_syndrome
is an example. it can happen as early as your late 40s, so stop now while you're ahead. a good (real)scare is better than any "Yes man" kind words. save money you waste on alcohol, and save your life at the same time.
taper off using https://hams.cc/taper/
Also:
1. Buy a simple wall calendar
2. Pin calendar to wall
3. Record how many drinks you have that day.
4. Go a day without a drink, mark the day with a big red X in marker
You will accumulate days free of booze and will not want to break the streak of red Xs. Put this calendar right by your bed, somewhere obvious that you cannot miss when waking up or going to bed. Once you go a week, it will be so easy
Your body is probably lacking in electrolytes and vitamins so first days of your taper drink Pedialyte and supplement B vitamins.
You can do this anon.

Final point: you do NOT need to understand *why* you are drinking to stop drinking. That's a trap to keep you worried and drinking. Just stop.
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>>1292064
You're welcome anon
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>>1291895
>>1292815
Thanks lads, not a full blown alcoholic, but I have recognized a pattern and uptick in my drinking I want to keep in check.
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bump
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>>1291895
this guy looks like he doesn't fuck
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>>1296436
Stacy NO!!!
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>>1292815
why to they (R) the VART and the beast?
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>>1291895
Bumping for more seeds. This is important, bros
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>>1297499
seeding
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>>1292815
Do those 4 steps you mention also work for porn addiction?
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>>1291895
bumping and also venting
trying to regulate my drinking but I find it's something I slip into unless I have something I have an external commitment to or sleep all day. I don't really want to quit entirely because it sounds too boring and pointless and a total slog for anything beyond a month. I know moderation is a meme for people who struggle with not binging, I just hate the binary conversation around addict or sober desu bros. people pretend like that isn't the case but it's so focused on
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bumping. I'll dl and then seed for a few weeks at least.

>Cold turkey works for casual 6 beers/night drinkers

I only drunk regular beers. But yeah like 6-10 / evening for 10+ years. Tried quitting many times. Sometimes 2 weeks, sometimes 3 months. Other times only days.

Last streak: no alcohol for almost 18 months now. I still drink beer, but I switched to the 0% alcohol kind. Which has become remarkably good over the years I must admit.

Whatever works for you, just keep trying! one failed attempt does not mean failure, perseverance is key.
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is there anyone else that immensely enjoys the thrill of getting drunk but can't into alcoholism because you eat way too much all the time? just me?
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>>1302786
>or sleep all day
I've been sober for a week and this is all I do
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bumping to thank the anon who linked this thread from another board before it got shoa'd
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>>1306438
damn jannies
>>1305833
i only made it a few days sober last week because i couldn't handle the fatigue
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>>1306438
you're welcome :)
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Or just read "The Drinking Den" by Zola. That did it for me.
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6 years clean. People saying being sober/clean is boring have no clue what they’re talking about. Isolation comes for everyone with the disease - your life shrinks to be just you and the drink/drugs. It’s a progressive disease that doesn’t let up. Continuing is literally slow poisoning yourself. The disease progresses like this: Magic (wow drinking/drugs are amazing - look at all the fun times I’m having! I’m going out, having sex, parties - awesome). Medicine: I need my drink/drug to have fun. Everyday. Find excuses to drink even when not really appropriate - pregaming, drinking at your house alone (I gotta have some beers with the game! Who cares that’s it’s just me). Misery: life sucks without drinking. I *have* to drink. Go to a meeting, find a new way of life. If you embrace the program you’ll find it’s a freakin super power to self improvement to the point I pity normies who don’t have access to it. It’s the biggest life hack in the world. I’m grateful I was a hopeless drunk and drug addict, because now I have access to this program that has bettered my life in nearly every way. Do it anons - best of all, meetings are free and anonymous.
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What a dumb thread. Slowly stop if you're that bad or just quit if you're not that bad
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>>1311121
What a dumb post. Slowly stop posting or just kill yourself if you're that bad.
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> nobody listened allen carr
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>>1291895
Thanks I'll seed this too for a bit.
Been drinking way too long and it's tough because I've always been super functioning during my work day and only 9pm-1am. It's getting old tho and I'm liking the gummies more these days anyway I guess.
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>>1311380
alternative download link for that file:
https://library.lol/main/979013A01D454FC790E23ECAC04D8C4C
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humptity bumptity
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good thread
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>>1292815
Delirium tremors arent a walk in the park, not only is it incredibly dangerous, but it also sucks complete ass. I used to drink 15-25 units of alcohol every weekday and more on the weekends for the past 13-15 years. Its not really worth it, ignoring the economical aspect completely. Now, i wake up at 5 in the morning, my sleep has never been better. I started drinking daily at the legal age (16 here) and never stopped, i considered that i had a problem like 6 years ago and kept on. Last year i was arrested for trying to steal a ferry from Denmark (i live there) to Sweden and soon after lost my job because i was permanently wasted. I can 100% and being completely honest say that i have never been happier than i am now, i still drink, occasionally, during weekends, but not being permanently fucked is fantastic, i cannot stress this enough. When you really think about it, being drunk isnt really that great. I still love being drunk, but its not really that great.
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>>1315041
Days and says of throwing up and being fucked really sucks. I dont know where you lot are in your abuse, might be less or worse, but even having days now being sober is completely different, hell i dont even want to be drink most of the time anymore, i still appreciate a beer but i dont seek that same feeling that i used to need before every fucking evening. Life is alot lot lot better. Everyone will tell you exactly this and you will disregard it, but everyone says so for a reason.


I dont give a fuck anon, drink if you want, i just wanted to share my experience with it. And nowadays i enjoy drinking, whereas before i simply hated not drinking, and drinking was the norm. You can always go back to being an alcoholic, give sober life a chance
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>>1315042
Also, wierd fucking board to have this thread
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>>1306439
A few days is a start. It took me a month before my dreams stopped waking me up (dreaming is unbelievably vivid if you reduce your sugar intake, and alcohol is sugar in this case). I would wake up every half hour for a month, but now i sleep like a baby, ive never before had this level of energy in the morning short of being a child, and i wake up at 5
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>>1303680
One failed attempt is progress, very few people quit and never go back. I have absolute respect for people who work on it. Being sover for 50 years is fine, but the hard part is quitting in the first place, or even reducing the intake which is my case.

Im my case, i had actual anxiety in the beginning not having alcohol around before i went to bed, even though i still drink occasionally now, i have days where i want a drink but cant really be bothered to get one because it takes a total of 10minutes of walking combined. There is a way out, mostly in your head. Fuck other people, if all your friends are fucked, go to a meeting and meet new people.

I told everyone i know that i was gonna quit alcohol the day i made the decision, most people had alot of respect for that and started contacted me more than they used to
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>>1315047
yep, it's a cycle you need to break out of. once i even read that alchos are addicted to the disgust they feel towards themselves as much as the alcohol itself as it keeps the cycle going
nobody drinks in excess because they're happy



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