ALL major settings are dying under the foot of change: Lore retcons, canon changes, race removals, alignment removals, restriction removals, watering down of rules, watering down of edge, poor aesthetics, poor background and less and less fluff. Recent news have demonstrated that, is a question of WHEN and not IF, that every major setting dies.As players and creators, we can create our own games and our settings. This is a thread for giving and receiving ideas, and to discuss the why and how settings die, how to avoid it, and finally how to build your own and avoid the same fate. Some people say that everything is lost, but it doesn't hurt to try even if to have a little fun. You don't need to be an expert, just tell your alternative.For those of you who want to create your own games and settings: What ideas you would like to create that could replace the dead settings?For players: What you would like to see in new settings after your old setting died?
You can just play older versions of the setting, right?...right?
>>92524502This is embarrassing and pathetic. Just play old editions of things. If you're playing any edition released after AD&D2e you have no right to complain. Please delete this thread and see the error in your ways, thank you.
>>92524502>how to avoid itDon't. Make your own things based on what you liked about the old ones. Add your own hot take. Change your mind and destroy it all. Retcon the destruction as "all a dream". Make it sexy. Make it gross. Make it funny. Make it stupid. Make it a thinly veiled propaganda piece for your half formed political beliefs if your really must. But make it your own.Stop treating imaginary places as if they're real.
>>92525510Butthurt 5E faggot
>>9252560439IQ take.The companies are utilizing psychological warfare tactics to force unwanted and unpopular beliefs on consumers.
>>92524502>discuss the why and how settings die, how to avoid itSettings die because their creators sell them to corporations and then move on.So just don’t do that. Solved.
>tfw your preferred setting is impossible to change, is so gatekeepy that no one could try without being ridiculed, and is such a social repellant that normies would never try to engage in it anyways
>>92524502The "dead of settings and worlds"?
>>92525802axis and allies
>>92525802Hail, fellow FATALfag
Play it like it historical or battletech, algae-brain. That's what it is now so you might as well.
>>92525766nta, it's not as if the new material is going to "replace" the old material. The old stuff is still out there, it's just not being maintained by the big corpos.>The companies are utilizing psychological warfare tactics to force unwanted and unpopular beliefs on consumersThen don't engage. Don't buy the new stuff. Tell people to stay away from them. This kind of crap only works on you if you let it. The best part of table top games is their decentralization. The only thing you need to make a good game / setting is skill and notepad. You don't need companies or other people.
>>92526386just another ESL retard posting on 4chan
>>92531531>Minor SPELLING mistake????? OH HOHOHO I GOT THIS ONE!!!!Subhumans like you are truly annoying.
>>92531947Learn the difference between grammar and spelling, SUBHUMAN. He spelled it right but it's the wrong word. Also only niggers and zoomers take pride in not using proper English. Which are you?
>>92531947If he isn't smart enough to even use the right word, why should we care about his opinion on anything? OP is the real subhuman
>>92531947found the ESL, back to your cave turd-worlder
>>92531947GOOD MORNING SIR
>>92524502>Lore retcons, Aside from asinine one-off injections (eg: the autismo paladin creator of the deck of many things) there aren't retcons, if anything the problem is that they're beating a dead horse advancing lore continuity much like the marvel comics gutter.>canon changes, See above>race removals, You mean as attribute adjustments? That's a rulesystems issue not a setting one.>alignment removals, Alignment ceased to make sense since the introduction of the good-evil axis but i will give you this one.>restriction removals, Fair, i would much prefer unique choices for each race (with some overlap) rather than using the same chassis for everything. Allowing anyone to be anything is retarded.>watering down of rules, Not a setting issue>watering down of edge, Do you mean having sensitivity scrutiny? Yes that's retarded, unfortunately we're in the aftermath of satanic-panic 2.0 (post OWS idpol).>poor aesthetics, I see that more of an issue in consistency, for example if you think about 2e the first images in your mind are from Elmore or Caldwell, if you think about 3e there's Lockwood, but for 5e? I have nothing aside the deformed midget playing the lute.>poor background and less and less fluffBut this defeats your initial argument don't you think?>just tell your alternativeUse settings as a source of inspiration rather than playing them as is, scavenge the net for older stuff and safekeep it, try something else other than d&d.
>>92524502>alignment removals,Most settings never really integrated alignment into their fiction. A sourcebook might tell you a named character's alignment but when you're reading the novel itself you never see any indication that alignments exist or that people know about them.
>>92524502>finally how to build your own and avoid the same fateThis isn't going to be an issue for 99% of the people here because their settings aren't products owned by corporations. 40k/MTG/DND/Warcraft/Star Wars/whatever-the-fuck are all corporate settings. They're intended to reap profits. A corporate setting inevitably mutates in service of this goal. That's why planeswalkers had an embarrassing stint where they acted like Marvel superheroes.You ultimately have to look at a setting like a corpo fuckwit would, rather than how a writer would. The corpo fuckwit doesn't value things that a writer does like consistency, tone or knowing when to conclude a story. He values marketability, brand recognition and profitability. He would also never let a story end if people still recognized it and were willing to pay for it. If he has to retcon some shit to keep the profit coming, he will. That's why these settings are still around after decades long after their original essence has dissipated into the ether.Finally, a corporate setting has no real consistent vision it adheres to. You have a revolving door of interns who all have different ideas of what a setting should be and all have their different takes on it. Without a clear vision on what the setting should be, it ends up a patchwork mess of clashing themes and ideas, especially if it's one that has been around for a very long time.So, if your setting is just homebrew and you haven't got stockholders to appease, you should be fine.
>>92524502>ALL major settings are dying under the foot of changeThey arent (always) dying, they are changing and/ or evolving. Whether or not (you) like these changes is a (you) question. >Lore retcons(Sometimes) suck but are inevitable if you keep a product with multiple revolving writers alive for a long time>canon changesSee above>race removalsno one is stopping you to include something missing back in for your home game>alignment removalsThis is a good thing>watering down of rulesNot a setting issue>watering down of edgeSubjective, also not a problem if you play a game and have full narrative control about what happens on your table>poor aestheticsSubjective, your taste isnt universal>poor backgroundLike in general? If you dislike the background in the first place, get yourself another setting>less and less fluffThis one i give you>Recent news have demonstrated that, is a question of WHEN and not IF, that every major setting dies.Are you seething because female custodes?>As players and creators, we can create our own games and our settingsCorrect> giving and receiving ideas, and to discuss the why and how settings die, how to avoid it, and finally how to build your own and avoid the same fate.Simple. Dont make your homebrew a product that is marketet to an audience for 10+ years and dont hire multiple changing writers>What ideas you would like to create that could replace the dead settings?What is that even supposed to mean? Just make a homebrew regardless of some corpo setting>What you would like to see in new settings after your old setting died?If you lament the "death" of your old setting, just reuse it in a way you like?
>>92534368The problem is that it's tainted, now. It's like if you revealed that, I dunno, fucking Luke Skywalker was a child molestor. Sure, you can keep playing the Star Wars RPG, but the universe is ruined for good. The specter of 'Luke Skywalker diddles kids' will retroactively hang over everything forever.
>>92543105I FUCKING HATE YOU BUMPFAG YOU LITTLE NIGGER CUNT.
>>92525400For free?
>>92531521>Then don't engage. Don't buy the new stuff. Tell people to stay away from them.When will autists learn that even though they (think) they are immune to propaganda, the normalfags surrounding them aren't, and their autistic screeching will never breach the corpo-lined heart of the normalfag? The corpos psychologically condition normalfags so they think the autist is the enemy, and nobody will listen to them about using old stuff. They will endlessly repeat the "upgrade" mantra and flouride stare anyone who disagrees.
>>92525766and they control the venues of discussion to the point where over time it's difficult to get a sense of how typical you are. but then you go out into the real world and hear how people on the bus and in the line at the store talk. it's all smoke. they're nothing. they're not done killing their golden geese, soon they'll shit everyplace up with AI to the point people go offline entirely. and that's when the massive D&C operation will fall apart. people will talk to their families and neighbors again, if only because they'll know they're actually human beings.
>>92531947This. ESL was first found on Reddit and it's by merit of the pretentiousness of its users a Reddit word.Also I think OP is German. They mix up "death" and "dead" often.>>92543488Reddit is peak fluoride and when you tell them that they'll go akchyually.
>>92524502I'm mostly concerned with figuring out how to make aesthetics good again. It's such a bizarrely difficult thing to figure out and implement.
>>92524502How about a setting where anyone or thing can be brought back but it takes a disproportional sacrifice?
>>92543488>The corpos psychologically condition normalfags so they think the autist is the enemy, and nobody will listen to them about using old stuffGive one example of this.
>>92544182DnD 3E annihilating A/ODnD in most places in the 90s, then 5e becoming "the" DnD thanks to flooding the market and product placement in netflix shows. 4e was the only time the autists successfully fought back. Anyone who didn't "upgrade" to 3e or 5e wasn't playing REAL DnD.
>>92525400Not really no. Recency bias and small pools for dedicated RPG players mean that the newfags who think your setting needs to be a pride parade and other newfags who refuse to associate with your setting because it's pozzed, leaving you with a very narrow pool of often older and very opiniated autists who may disagree with your interpretation and development of the setting.Ghostwalk will remain better while Faerun just gets worse.
>>92524502With players always wanting every option. Doesn't seem like a way to have actual gender roles. Sometimes war games get away with it by having gendered units all in one army. Seems like the best option is to just have the girls stay pretty and fashionable.
>>92544311I never understood the argument that remakes, new editions, etc. is not meant to replace old stuff.They LITERALLY replace old stuff. A new physical edition of a rulebook will replace an old one from bookshelves, and eventually you won't be able to purchase it except from second-hand market. The old edition won't be supported anymore and will never receive new content, you will find less and less people to play with. This idea that individuals can fight the corpo machine just be sticking to old stuff needs to die ASAP.
>>92544182Marvel movies, DC movies, classical architecture, D&D, video games, Star Wars
>>92524502It is good for settings and characters to die. Fundamentally, instead of perpetually propping up the dead corpses as a toy, it's better to let it die.
>>92544804>This idea that individuals can fight the corpo machine just be sticking to old stuff needs to die ASAP.homecooking btfo?
>>92524502>For players: What you would like to see in new settings after your old setting died?Grimdark. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Necromancy thread?
>>92525604The End Times never happened.
>>92551999They will.
>>92525766>I MUST CONSOOOOOMNot even trying to deny it
