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>>92599101>Nova Cats>Wolf Paw womb tattooLmao, do NovaCat women really?
Fuck leviathan. It doesn't belong here.
>>92599607what?
Brand new from flgs. Same shop where I got the Somerset strikers sourcebook from too. Sadly they don't have anymore of this old stuff.Now only waiting on my used copy of MW2e.
>>92599607No
So I've been wanting to start a scorpion empire force and seem to have found conflicting reports on what equipment the touman will actually use and at what organizational level the touman and PGC (garrison) forces are organized. One source indicates the touman will only use omnimechs and vehicles, clan tech refitted IS mechs, and SL mechs. While other sources seem to indicate they will use literally anything.Finally, does each galaxy have their own PGC that would use their camospecs or are PGCs existent outside of the galaxy organization. If there are any books that cover this that would be great too
>>92599716I miss the FASA days. Btw, I have multiple complete sets of the WotC card game. Does anyone have good decklists to use for me and my friends?
>>92599154as napoleon said:>all women are whores, except for my mother and my sister.>but lets not forget that they are women too.
>>92599154>womb>clanUhhhhhhhhhh
>>92600066Did you accidentally post in the wrong thread? I've done that a couple times.
battletech babe thread
>>92600066>>92600077>those digitsWhat the absolute fuck is going on right now?
>>92600077Did you forget how to read a chain?I've never been that retarded, so sucks to be you.
>>92600106you didn't reply to a chain
>>92600129Oh shit I did drop the reply tag.Still it was the end of the last thread, wasn't that far back to remember.
>>92599037>Wolverines/Minnesota Tribe fighting off cybernetic super soldiers
I could have lived with the Word of Blake being dead forever if it had meant that ComStar was still around in some capacity. The death of the Republic of the Sphere should have been a chance for a new beginning for them, and they at least in theory had personnel across the Inner Sphere even without functioning HPGs and after Buhl.
>>92600313And instead Fochstar died a dog's death and the more extreme WoBbies and their cultists are still around. I know the meme "Tired of writing Robes, but let's add more Clans, let's resurrect Clans" is a meme but sometimes.... >>92600286Too cool to happen. Here, more Stenier-Davions-Liao-Cestrella spawn instead.
>>92600313They were forever tainted by their association with the Wobbies thanks to the Jihad happening so soon after the schism. It was only a matter of time before someone took them out behind the shed, and the Blessed Order grabbing Tucker Harwell was the invitation the RotS needed to squeeze the trigger and drown the litter. As cool as the Word was on its own they have a tendency to poison everything they touch or were associated with.Honestly even ignoring the Republic a lot of factions were giving them the side-eye once it was clear the Blackout wasn't going away. The Lyrans basically owned them due to loans.
Why are all the new mechs from the RecGuides WYSIWYG, and based off the original models? Why not make something new? I mean, sometimes it makes something interesting and fun, but other times it comes away felling really bleh. Noticed this especially with the new Thunder Hawk. It would be so much better if it went with the 7S approach, and only had 2 lasers, with the leftover tonnage going to heatsinks. But because it needs to be WYSIWYG, it creates an inferior mech. And it's not like the 2 laser version would be this perfectly heat neutral, over optimized murder machine, but fuck it would be better than what we got. Is it just for the recognizability of the og designs?
>>92600415She craves Jullian's cock though. I think Trillian is the only real Steiner-Davion left, unless some of Victor's grandkids kept the names.No, Alaric doesn't count, although it would be funny considering both are incest babies.
>friend got into battletech and likes the Clans so he wants to play a full omnimech Star in our second real game (I was teaching him using 2v2 IS mechs)We don't play Alpha Strike so I can't decide if I should go with two mixed lances or a full assault mech lance. He's going to make his list, probably two mediums and one mech of the other classes and send me his BV then.
>>92600485I will never understand Moreno's desire to turn these pampered high nobility into methheads. I mean, I know the LC is in bad shape, but Christ Trill, take a spa day, you're in your 30's. Not that the other successor lords fair much better.
>>92599607In any case, the Bears must be removed.
>>92600632She looks both older and younger by the time she's in her 40s, it's really weird.Someday I should try and shop out the weird age lines. The hair over her eye thing is kinda cute.
>>92600988That picture doesn't look 40, that picture looks like a 60 year old wearing a lot of makeup to try to appear younger.
>>92600472You've already got the point, it's largely for WYSIWYG and recognizeability. The majority of the mechs they've made in plastic so far have 10+ variants to begin with so it's not like there's a shortage of options for most of 'em. And while BT isn't remotely as much a WYSIWYG game as most of tabletop, it is a habit that can be hard to shake for many players. Of lesser importance are desire to establish a ilClan-era variant of each so even mechs that went extinct or became outdated can be fielded again, and the futile interest of trying to establish ilClan as an interesting era to play in which I'm not even explicitly opposed to, its just there's a lot of tech bloat from Jihad and Dark Age to keep track of that I'd rather just ignore.
>>92599840Best book on the empire that I'm aware of is the Hanseatic Crusade Operation turning point. The RATs will give you a general idea of what sort of mechs each galaxy fields. For example, Alpha seems to run all omnis, while Omega runs omnis mixed with clan battle mechs, and seeker galaxy runs omnis mixed with star league royals. The PGCs are organized into their own caste, the Garrison caste, with planetary clusters being recruited from that world. PGCs operate outside of the galaxy formations, with the exception of Grunt Galaxy, which was organized from the top warriors of the garrison caste for the hanseatic crusade. I'm unsure if grunt galaxy was maintained post crusade.
>>92600988Even the young people aren't spared. How old is Bel here? If you guessed 20, you'd be right, and also delusional, because I haven't seen a single 20 year old woman who looks like that. I'm not even one of those people who wants all women in media to be conventionally attractive pin up models with double d's and dress and act overly sexy, I'm something of a prude irl. But man, could you at least wait till 40 to start slapping bags under the eyes and wrinkles. Jessica Halas and Corraine Marik are good examples of non-sexualized, unconventually attractive women who at least look their age and position.Even the guys seem to age like milk. Caleb looked about 20 years older than his actual age, and Jules Davion is in his 40's, and he looks he's got 3 late alimony payments and a severe drinking problem.
>>92601228It's a stressful galaxy out there
>>92601228>Caleb looked about 20 years older than his actual ageCaleb looks like he got attacked by a steel brush.
>>92601252He might have been. Who knows what was in that broom closet he shoved Danai into.
Is the btccg worth buying?
>>92601147Thanks
>>92601228This is really weird for a setting where Natasha Kerensky was still rather attractive well into her fifties, and many characters still can live for a hundred years and and stay reasonably active. Someone who's twenty shouldn't look like they're generously in their early thirties.What are the Clanner portraits like? Maybe this is a trick of "I need to make the Clans look oddly hot but there's only so much I can do, I'll make the Inner Sphere look worn out and old."
>>92601228I don't think its a deliberate choice, its just that this artist in particular is awful.
>>92601343Natasha had a lot of plastic surgery done to look young. I guess being the sole Trueborn and losing her boytoy triggered some insecurity.
>>92601343They are a crapshoot too. Sometimes, they look just as methed out as the Inner Sphere, with Marthe over here apparently getting a hankering for the late Oberon Confederations crack rocks. On the other hand, we have Sterling McKenna who looks hot. Bot these images depict women in their early 40's, both were warriors, and both jockeyed to be Khans, so they have very similar life experiences, and yet one looks like an every day woman, albeit very attractive, and the other looks like she's lived on the streets since childhood.
>>92601465 This isn't a mystery. Moreno is a garbage artist, while Porter is better, or someone like Adams.
>>92601465People look different. Is this a hard concept to grasp? Or are you just made they don't have uniform art direction or something? It doesn't break my immersion, so no clue what you're even trying to articulate (while failing).
>>92601713>People point out one Battletech artist is noticeably worse than the others and makes everyone look like a methhead>REEEEEEEEEEWhy are you like this? You think we'd be used to shitty artists by now.
>>92601872Like what? Both of those pieces of art are equally bad in different ways. You're still failing to explain what your issue is. Are you a stuttering retard IRL too?
>>92601713It's not that there are different art styles, it's that that guy's art style makes everyone look like a worn out meth whore.It'd be good for a grimy apocalypse game where nobody's had access to cosmetics or 5 uninterrupted hours of sleep for years, but a lot of these characters have access to the best space luxuries and medical technology and no reason to shun them. 20 year olds who haven't been living under a bridge since they were 10 shouldn't look like that.
>>92597302All AC5 variants except the LAC5 just aren't that good, plus the -01 variant has a LRM5 which isn't a weapon I like very much. The daikyu I feel is just a bit costly for what you're getting. Something like a dragon can go faster and put out roughly the same damage while being much cheaper. And even the variant I use on occasion, the one with the pair of streak 6's, you can do a lot better for 1800 bv
>>92601895Meh, it's a setting of extremes. They have good health regimens, but it's also a fallen time of permanent war. It's a stylistic take that differs, but again, it doesn't take me out of immersion any more than a weird outfit or a mohawk or something from the 80s books. Are you trying to say you don't like it? That's fine. You don't have to like it. If it's bad "vibes" or gives you "the ick" that's fine. But don't try to generalize your likes and dislikes.I hate fucking likefaggots.
>>92599101Does anyone know if an infantry unit can use an LRM 1? If so, what's the cost? Can I just divide the 5 by 5 or the 10 by 10?
>>92601929>i don't dislike it, so if you think it doesn't fit, you are objectively incorrectWell, your highness, that's a nice take and all, but your opinion isn't relevant to anyone. Probably not even to you.
>>92601984I accept your concession. Signed,Connoisseur and enjoyer who can appreciate, criticize, and discuss art without "liking it"
>>92601889I don't even understand the point you are trying to make. People are, correctly, pointing out that Moreno makes his characters look like methheads and you're having a meltdown claiming people aren't being clear, when they are, absolutely. Many people in this thread do not like Moreno's art. There we go, is that in plain enough English for you?If you want to know why, that's also been established, he adds weird lines and wrinkles where they don't make sense, and gives everyone crazy eyes. Very uncanny valley.If you have issues with other pieces of art, go ahead and voice them once you've calmed down. Unless you ARE Moreno in which case this all makes a lot more sense.
>>92602089>People are, correctly, pointing out that Moreno makes his characters look like methheads and you're having a meltdown claiming people aren't being clear, when they are, absolutely. Many people in this thread do not like Moreno's art. There we go, is that in plain enough English for you?Yes, and I'm trying to tell you stfu no one cares. This isn't your facebook wall. If you don't like something and other people agree with you and you don't like it, then go jack each other off at the Burger King. Don't waste all our time posting about it. Adds nothing to the conversation of value and distracts from enriching and fun content. Also violates old written 4chan rules, but no one cares about that obviously.
>>92601514Man, I kinda wish we knew whatever happened to Breen. To have a khan just up and disappear like that... it's too weird. Too big of a thread to leave hanging.>>92602038Very based, thank you.>>92600472It's WYSIWYG, but it's also to make unique machines that emulate the older pieces for your games. Consider the -7H Shadow Hawk; why else, EVER, would you use an Enhanced LRM 5? You have to do some things to show certain things off.CAPTCHA: G0DYPSpooky.
>>92602146What exactly do you think you are doing with these posts about your opinion on art philosophy and the appropriateness of meth whore aesthetics for elite space warriors.
Behold, my friends! I have today finished painting up an UrbanMech Lance!I figured I'd use a different primary color for each to make spotting them from a distance easier, though they mildly correlate to the nation that feilds them the most (not that I'm limiting myself to those nations, just seemed fitting)The Classic UM-R60 is in Blue, The UM-R60L is in Green (Liao made these mostly)The UM-R68 is in Red (Kurita Made this variant),And the UM-R27 is Yellow (because It rounded out the primary colors and I needed more practice with Yellow Anyhow)
>>92602204Making you butthurt with confusion at engaging a superior intellect. Go furrow your brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation elsewhere. Grownups are talking.
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>>92602226Looks like you did pretty well with the Yellow my dude, though it turned more of a mustard yellow than like a Sunflower yellow.
>>92601147Also at least one new Galaxy was raised after the Crusade, with lots of Hansa freebirths.
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>>92602234I see you don't recognize your own hypocrisy. Nobody cares about your opinion. When you make multiple posts about your opinion while also saying nobody wants to hear opinions, you look like a clown. A pretentious meth clown, in this case.
>>92602263If you can't handle a rational and adult discussion about the nature of art and expression in a table top role playing game, then I suggest a certain website elsewhere that starts with the letter R and ends with the letter t.
>>92602288Hold still, I want to honk your nose.
>>92602257>>92602246Thanks man! I was gonna go brighter yellow but I actually liked the darker, mustardish color, so I just kept it like that.
Ok seriously, what is going on here with the meth defense brigade? Is this anon an actual methhead who got super triggered by people (correctly) pointing out how shitty that one artist is? Because I'm certain you can find a facility near you that could help, in some cases at little to no cost.
>>92602312>Guise seriously I can't handle a rational disagreement! Someone back me up and downboat my evil enemy!Every single likefaggot shows their true colors eventually. It really ruins the fun of people who enjoy a hobby. I enjoy playing with old metal style mechs. Meanwhile, some likefaggot at my store always complains I don't have the new accurate models when we play. It just ruins things for everyone.
>>92602308Well, now that urbie's name is colonel mustard.
>>92602348Except that's not what's happening, retard. You were the one who sperged out about Moreno being a competent artist, and have been absolutely unable to let it go. No amount of projection is going to reverse the truth that (You) are the one that can't handle a dissenting opinion.
>>92602386I offered my dissenting opinion and provided context and evidence for it. You're claiming I'm a meth head and/or the artist themselves. Your behavior is childish and boring. Mine is interesting and fun. Thanks for playing kid, but this ain't it chief. Not even gud enuff for a cringe compilation. Maybe stick to spamming wojaks or frogs or whatever. Seems more your speed.
>>92602416>>92602386Gentlemen, please, enough foreplay. Get the hatefuck over with.
>>92602440I don't hate anything. I'm not some idiot likefaggot.
>>92600632The guy overuse the wrinkles and the sunken eyes. Its not a bad artist, but the guy works better doing caricatures and not "realistic" characters.
>>92602416>I offered my dissenting opinion and provided context and evidence for it.No, your response was "It works on my machine." Provide an actual dissertation on Moreno's quality as an artist, complete with a formal analysis of his works already posted in this thread, or simply accept that other people can have different opinions and that yours is not objectively correct.You're also arguing with at least two anons here.
>92602416>"I have awkwardly tried to be snarky and dissenting in a discussion, and upon finding that I am in the minority opinion, I must now claim to be a persecuted oldfag, both at the table and in the thread. All anons calling me out for my dumb posts have had their comments rendered void."lol
>>92602384>Well, now that urbie's name is colonel mustard.Lmao, done. That's just his name now.
>>92601008>>92602173That kinda sucks. I get showing off fancy new tech, and creating new variants for the ilClan Era, both of which I am in favor for. I just wish it wasn't so tightly tied to WYSIWYG. Or at the very least creating mechs that aren't downgrades to their inspirations. Like yeah, the NLRM 5 isn't the best weapon, but it's still viable and complimented by good weapons like the LBX 10. That THawk is worse in almost every way to the OG, and it's kinda sad. IDK, maybe I'm just letting my love of the Thunder Hawk get in the way here.
>>92602348>Meanwhile, some likefaggot at my store always complains I don't have the new accurate models when we play.Thats a good way to describe someone that needs a paddlin'
>>92602548Clearly you must now name the others Mrs Scarlet and Reverend Green, but I'm afraid you'll have to repaint the blue one to match the formatting now.
>>92602584Or the Blue one can just be Tim's Curry or something silly like that.Or I could ditch the Clue theme and go Condiment themes.Colonel Mustard, Tom Ado, Relish (in Victory), and... I dunno, The Rancher? Definitely keeping Colonel Mustard no matter what I do lmao.
>>92602348>"Accurate Models">Literal Centuries of VariationBUH, BUH YOUR CAR CAN'T BE A CAMRY, MY CAR IS A CAMRY AND IT LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!HUH? YEAH MINE WAS MADE IN 2020 AND YOURS WAS MADE IN 2000? SO WHAT?WHY DO THEY LOOK DIFFERENT? IT'S NOT ACCURATE!
>>92601319The rules are pretty solid with a few break points. There's almost no-one who plays it any more, even on Vassal. That said there are card scans in the trove, and possibly a backup in /acg/. >>92602146>>92602038>>92601929You deliberately dense motherfucker.The aesthetic does not fit the universe. It explicitly misses the brief for who those characters should be and what they look like elsewhere. It fails as commercial art, regardless of its faint value as art in isolation from its purpose. Whataboutism doesn't change that. But if you compare it to the charm of Laubenstein, or even the good modern BT artists, it is clearly deficient. And it kept getting rammed into sourcebooks because he was one of the few people willing to keep working with Catalyst after they fucked their freelancers.
>Phelan Kell betrayed his family and the entire inner sphere for THISlmao
>>92602751She had a glow up. Besides, he was in a very unique position and probably the only Spheroid primed to become a Clanner.
>>92602559>Like yeah, the NLRM 5 isn't the best weaponThe only places where NLRMs make some sense are 20 and 15 launchers, and even there it inevitably fails to compete with the totally broken standard clan LRM systems.
>>92602888Nice trips, but it works better with specialist munitions. Smoke, Thunder, etc. can all go out to 28 hexes, which isn't bad. If you use the LRM 5 to do damage, you are using it wrong.
>>92602559>That THawk is worse in almost every way to the OG, and it's kinda sad.I don't think it's nearly that bad. Like yeah, I'd take a stock Thunder Hawk over this one, but the ability to deal 60 damage at 18 hexes indirect is still a hell of a benefit, and unlike the stock Thunderhawk it can also go ham with it's close-in complement of lasers without heat concerns.But this also underscores a different issue- that the 3058 FedCom Gausswall was THIS overpowered.>>92602638>The Rancher?Nah, needs to be for a white Urbie. Keep the food groups going.>>92602888Best case scenario I made for the nLRM 20 was a Dark Age Quickdraw that mated one to 4 TC'ed ER Mediums and 3 tons of ammo with CASE II. I forewent the jump jets for MASC and a supercharger. I feel nLRMs are like, the Inner sphere's answer to the realization that MMLs are just SRM launchers that can do SOME LRM work- instead they're LRMs that can dance in close. Still completely BTFO by Clan LRMs, but they have SOME hyper specialized purposes.
>>92603016>but the ability to deal 60 damage at 18 hexes indirect is still a hell of a benefit, and unlike the stock Thunderhawk it can also go ham with it's close-in complement of lasers without heat concerns.The issue is that you can't keep up that 60 damage fire rate, and you have to take the Awesome approach and fall into a firing cadence. Not terrible on it's own, but when you factor in the reduced range, increased minimum, and the fact that XL engine + 10 tons of ammo + composite structure means that you are walking time bomb, and you need to be sending as much damage down field to stop yourself from getting mauled, or at least maul the other guy in the process. Lasers are a fair point, but to be frank, if your Thunder Hawk needs to start using it's lasers for more than a turn or two, something has gone horribly wrong. You are right about the og Gauss Monster being a beast though, it is hard to improve on something that good.
>>92602660Has any author ever used this as an excuse for visual redesigns?I don't think this would even work, certain art depicts the same mech using different visual iterations but at the same point in time.
>>92603122They did, and the grogs hated them for it.
What's your favorite VTOL vehicle?
>>92603172Oh, it was just to avoid real life legal trouble, nobody, including the authors, actually genuinely believed it. I see.
>>92603172That's because Chris Lewis is a shit artist and has been since he did all the 2750 redraws for 3025 Revised. Also many of the minis were godawful to work with.
>>92603122Phoenix Hawk 9 redesign is supposed to be how all newly manufactured Phoenix Hawks of any designstion are styled.
>>92603221>people look different and that's why everyone drawn by this guy look the same, even though the ones that already existed didn't look like that before>therefore you are objectively, not subjectively, but objectively, wrong to not like them.I know it's bait, but come on. Have some standards.
>>92603221>your opinion is fine, but boring and wrongSquare this circle for me
>>92603268Here’s a hint likefaggot; I dont like the art either. I dont like any if the art in this thread. But my brain isnt rotted with likefaggotry like you.>>92603271No. Drink bleach and you will figure it out
>>92603295Your continued inability to see your own hypocrisy is staggering.I bet you don't like me pointing this out and will make a big rant about how you don't like it.
>>92603209the mechnabber
>>92603312You don't know what you're saying, so you think I'm disagreeing with you about the quality of the art. If that were true, I would indeed be a hypocrite. As you claim. However, you have misapprehended by claim. I'm saying I don't give a shit if you like or dislike a certain piece of art or style. I'm explaining what the style conveys and why an artist or imaginary artist can use it to convey ideas and meaning to an audience who is not me. In short, I am not a retard like you. Thanks for attending my TED talk. If you have any tackhammers nearby, maybe strike yourself with one to save your family and friends the horrendous suffering of your presence and life.
>>92603331Nah, your explanations aren't that, and you just don't like other people having an opinion. You accept whatever slop the company gives you and demand everyone else does too. And you're a coward, because you admittedly don't like it, but eat it all up anyway. Oink oink, little piggy.
>>92603350Just stick to the clownfish.fart.tv youtube comment sections kiddy. Or better yet, maybe just turn off your brain and watch another jontron episode
>>92603221Again with the persecuted oldfag complex? We can read just fine. Maybe you should learn to spell so you don't make mistakes like "are you just made" and "no clue what you're even trying to articulate (while failing)." You are being deliberately obtuse because the issue was never that not everyone looked the same or that there was no uniform art direction. It was about how Moreno makes teenagers and highborns look like sleep deprived PTSD ridden crack addicts, despite them having no reason to look like that. Your responses were ignored because they didn't engage with the topic, and instead try to portray everyone who said the art was bad as "likefaggots", because in your opinion the art was okay. Well I got news for you: >your opinion is fine, but boring and wrong. Now why don't you go smoke some crack so that you can Morenomax some more? It might make you forget about how all the zoomies in the FLGS flossed on you for having pewter models.
>>92603379I quite clearly said that the BT world is a fallen and broken one. IT's a dark age thing. You're a retard who can't red.Oops me spelld wrung. U win. Is that how zoomies expect life to be?
>>92603322>I can show you the woooorld~
>>92603410Firstly, I'd dispute the idea that the Inner Sphere is so fallen and broken that it's Upper Class totally neglect beauty. The Inner Sphere is at the highest level of technological development it's ever been despite it's political woes. On the whole people live very comfortably all things considered, and it's nobility can afford to be presentable, and not be so overwhelmed that the job destroys them.If you want to imagine that Battletech is the ultimate grimdark setting which grinds everyone down to fine powder, well that's a fine opinion. But it's boring. And wrong. Second, I wouldn't be making fun of your shitty ESL tier writing and grammar if you weren't accusing everyone who laughed at you of being an illiterate.
>>92603410They look like they have worse medical access and quality of life than people from hundreds of years ago, yet they are supposed to have access to medical tech more advanced than ours and enough wealth to meet their desires.
>>92603410>I quite clearly said that the BT world is a fallen and broken one.It's a bit like describing North America entering WW2 as: "That continent that got 90% of its population wiped by old world diseases in living memory."
>>92603410>It's a dark age thing.The only thing dark about the DA of BT is that interestellar coms went down and the Republic can't stop itself from stomping its own civies flat.
>this entire thread>againJust report the troll once he makes it obvious that he's not actually arguing in good faith and post robots.
>>92600870Boo
>>92603501Details are unimportant because you fail to acknowledge basic facts (or deny them). Like >>92603542>>92603560You retards cant grasp basic concepts about the setting. Why would I correct spelling? Do you know what pearls before swine means?
>>92603524>>92603501I mean this has always been a problem with battletech, and a core issue that the setting has never really figured out.Part of the setting really wants to be feudalized Mad Max, everything collapsing, with that post-apocalyptic edge to it.The problem is, this would contradict the other part of the setting, which really wants to be WWII in space, with fully developed societies able to churn out tons of mechs for big mech battles.
Local group of friends was going to have a board game night, so I was going to put two lists together and maybe show the game off. Would like some recommendations on list comp.Current criteria:>4K BV both sides>Introtech mechs>Should ideally have 4 mechs each side. >Good mix of weight classesBonuses for at least one Lyran themed list.
>>92603658"anarchic shithole where the king of the planet is the murderhobo in a one armed rifleman" moved solidly into the peripherythe inner sphere proper largely stabilized around "modern society but feudal"
>>92603677>good mix of weight classes>4 mechs>4keven for introtech that's a bit tight.
>>92603658Thats why artists have valid conceptions for both.
>>92603658Those parts of the setting are only very specific places and times. The feudal aspects take a back seat in eras where central governments grow in power. The basic facts of conflict and technology change over time. The late 3rd succession war's one lance bug bumbling raid to steal a shipment from lord fuckington's handmade pants factory (the only building on the planet with reliable 24/7 electricity) is not the same as a fedcom civil war multiple regiment strong lightning raid designed to foil future attacks by crippling an industrial sector and destroying every piece of infrastructure near a military base so the opposing government has to redeploy their forces in a defensive posture until they can determine the true strength of your attack.Things get bigger and better.
>>926037055K then. Just something that keeps the lists down to 4 mechs of roughly equal skill.
>>92603789yeah 4500-5000 is fine.you can get a commando/battlemaster/wolverine/thud for about 4500 with all pilots at 4/5.
Character art has always been weird/bad. This is what they thought a 15 year old should look like in 1988. It does explain why most people in universe don't make fun of Hanse for doing a jailbait wait.
>>92603705NTA but I thought 5k was the introtech standard
>>92603677>>4K BV both sides>>Introtech mechs>>Should ideally have 4 mechs each side. This is a little low, but doable>>Good mix of weight classes>Bonuses for at least one Lyran themed list.Stock Zeus (1300 BV)Stock Charger (980 BV)Griffin -1S (1250 BV)Commando (~550 BV)It's very slightly over, so you could swap in a Bugmech if you felt like it. It's got a relatively cohesive speed; unfortunately, the Lyran signature heavies are all good enough that you really can't afford to have one of them, an Assault, and the Griffin in the same lance.>CapConVindicator (1025)Crusader -3L (1300)VIctor -B (1375)Wasp -1L or -1A (325/390)Again, goes very slightly over the limit, but gets you a very different and interesting force. The Lyrans have faster ground speeds and only have one jumper, with a better array of midrange weapons and melee capability. The Liaos have much better spike damage at close range, slightly better sniping ability, similar critseeking and a decisive jump advantage but much weaker armor. It should encourage both players to take the fight in close with their heaviest units, while being supported by a flexible heavy and Medium and harassing the wounded with their Light.
>>92603568>post robotsHere’s the phantom I just finished up.
>>92603209The Martin.
>>92603885I really like these lists. Gunna give some mechs piloting and gunnery bumps to bring us up to 4500, but that's a solid mix of mechs. Thanks anon.
>>92603651>You retards cant grasp basic concepts about the setting.It's a future history setting, which naturally means that things didn't suck in the same way at all points of its time line.
I don't have any good pictures of it offhand, but I really liked the sort of art you'd see in books like the Chaos March, that kind of black and white watercolor vibe. I don't even know who the artist was.
>>92604006In fact, if we go by the life expectancies, the average standard of living across the entire inner sphere around the clan invasion was better than the very best countries on modern day earth, while clan laborers have it worse than the average person in 19th century england.
>>92603885>>92603677>>92603989Moving on to the Burds, we get interesting. Flea (425)Hermes II (775)Guillotine (1400) or Orion (1425)Stalker or Awesome -8R (both about 1375). Yes, I took the "poopy" Awesome. Not just because the points just aren't there for a better 'Mech and an Orion, but also in context with the other forces. It's still going to be a fucking brick but it doesn't really become the nastiest thing on the table compared to everyone else. >FedSunsValkyrie (725)Centurion (950)Blackjack -1DB (1025)CRD-3D (1325)Time to get intimate with the Feddies' heat management and production problems, fucko. This is an excellent midrange force with almost enough tactical mobility, but you're going to have to be canny to get the best out of it. Especially against those Lyrans.>DracsDragon because of fucking course. (1125)Archer -2K, CRD-3K, or Quickdraw -5A (1300)Panther (775)Jenner (875)This is going to be an interesting one for the Dracs. Their classic problem with uneven movement speeds and armor distribution can hurt them against the Assaults the Rimwards factions are bringing, but they also have a much, much higher sustainable throw weight at mid-long range than the others and enough maneuverability to make the Suns and Marik players sweat bullets. They still have a good mix of capable weapons, but again a player is going to have to rely on movement rather than crutching on a meatstick assault. If you really feel the need to go for a wider tonnage spread, you can shuffle in a Banshee in place of the Archer/Crud/QKD and swap in a Spider instead of the Jenner, but that's going to exacerbate the speed divide and dramatically lower your ranged damage for a minimal melee benefit.
>>92599101Each Nation in WW2 gets one lance of mechs, what do they chose?
>>92604025That'd be Jim Nelson. Damned solid, although he did sometimes do some weird background shit.
>>92604217LAMs with nukes.
>>92603209
>>92604006That could be true if you dont read lore or pay attention.>>92604069Wut? I swear you tards and your headcanon
>>92604309>That could be true if you dont read lore or pay attention.If you read the lore, you quickly disover that the Davion family has, in fact, had to overthrow the Senate, that the Black Dragons weren't always running on budshido fundamentalism, that Space 'Nam was a phase for the Cappies and that the Periphery actually used to set the sphere on fire.BT isn't good at being future history, but they sure did give it their best shot.
>>92604217it would vary by year, but if you mean what represents their "vibe" best then>US gets something that is affordable, decently armed and armored, versatile, medium weight>centurion>germany gets something extremely heavy and deadly, no heed paid to strategic practicality or price>king crab>USSR gets something cheap, good in large numbers, dangerous at close range>urbanmech>UK gets something that is big, not very good, not very well thought out either>warhammer>japan gets something cheap, small, undergunned and underarmored>stinger>france gets something big, slow and very well armored>great turtle>italy gets an all round little piece of shit>slowpoke
>>92604309Headcanon?
>>92604444>italy gets an all round little piece of shithey now, their homebuilt Vickers 6-ton was actually very sensible>long barrel cannon that had superior range, penetration, and more useful HE compared to anything it faced until the 6 pounder showed up>diesel engine, just pray you actually received your dust filters If they hadn't been trying to operate in a desert without effective ground attack aircraft it would have been perfectly adequate.
>>92603885>>92604204These are sick lists anon. I think I'll go with Lyrans and Cappies, and they are the two factions I like the most, and I think they compliment each other well and introduce the basics of the game well without being too hard for newbies. BT will probably be the crunchiest game they have ever played, and don't want to over burden them with lists that have finicky movement or rough heat curves. Terrain, crits, and melee will probably be enough to engage them. Final lists:>LyransZeus 6S (4/5)Charger 1A1 (4/3)Griffin 1N (4/5)Commando 2D (3/4)Final BV: 4511>Capellans Victor 9B (4/5)Crusader 3L (3/5)Vindicator 1R (4/4)Wasp 1L (3/4)Final BV: 4502
>>92604463What book and what page is this carefully cropped infographic from?
>>92604601somewhere in warriors of kerensky I think
What are the advantages and limitations of hovercraft?
>>92604679They’re tend to be very fast, but take motive damage very easily. They can hover over water, but can’t enter most other terrain.
>>92604573its main gun was also in a casemate that made it impractial for mobile warfare and any environment that isn't an open desertitaly's actually decent armor was their assault gun analogues, everything else was laughable after the very earliest months of the war
>>92604600Nice, glad to be of service. I'm a very, very longtime GM -- this kind of challenge is honestly one of my favorites. I pushed "signature" 'Mechs a little harder than I usually do. It's just plain fun to get into silly faction hats sometimes and out of my comfort zone. And that kind of tight BV limit means that everyone gets one or two optimized units and then a few underutilized ones, which is how players find new favorites.
>>92604749Your position is technically incorrect: Italian armour was kind of adequate theoretically against its enemies up until 42. We often forget that the Italians for most of the North African front fought against the British and the British cruiser/infantry tank design lines were as obsolete as the Italian ones. In an absolute vacuum and against its specific opponents, Italian tank designs are at least adequate.Then we need to talk about logistics, maintenance, industrial development, doctrine, training, air and infantry support... the more you read less the rivet counting matters and more than the Italian tank industry was captive of FIAT/Ansaldo, their training was dogshit and their logistics insanely hard.
>>92604679In addition to what the other Anons said -- If they take a round to the skirts over water they're completely fucked. The BV inflation problem they *used* to have is mostly fixed now. Skids, however, are an extremely real problem. It's very hard to get the best out of a hover vee in any kind of tight or urban terrain. They do lead to a couple movement exploits if you're enough of a cheesy git. Just hard to plan for and unreliable.
>>92604822everyone except the italians at least had the sense to put a proper cannon in a turret that could fit at least two people before 1939. the advantages of the M11/39's gun over the 40mm two pounder were marginal and definitely did not make up for using a casemate design.the driver, gunner and commander aren't next to each other, communication is difficult and relatively slow, engaging a target is an awkward three man circus outside of a prepared defensive position.even the japanese were outpacing the italians in armor design from before the war started all the way to the italian capitulation.
is it unusal for a (lance) commander piloting a lighter/worse mech than his lancemate(s)?
>>92604973....only 100 M11/39s were produced. I don't see how it's relevant. The main Italian tank of north africa was the M13/40 and before you ask, yes, it had the cannon in the turret.
>>92604997because M11/39s were the best italy had for the first month of the africa campaign, M13/40s didn't even begin production until july '40
Explain to me why a company with 1 lance of jenners, 1 lance of panthers, and 1 lance of dragons wouldn't work
>>92605033Strange argument. You want to talk about Italian tanks, but refuse to consider anything past the September Offensive, namely Compass. At this point I choose to believe that you are trolling, since you don't seem to know much about the topic but love to make aggressive posts. Cheers.
>>92605057It does. Are you new?
>>92605057It could. Considering Drac regiments are sometimes described as fielding entire battalions of only Dragons, a lance of Jenners to scout, a lance of Dragons to trade hits, and a lance of Panthers to supply fire support is very feasible and could work. It's cheap too, meaning you'll probably outnumber the opponent by a decent margin.
>>92604979>is it unusal for a (lance) commander piloting a lighter/worse mech than his lancemate(s)?Not at all. A lot of the best command 'Mechs are heavies or mediums. It's entirely normal for the commander of a company to be in a Marauder or a Thunderbolt while he's being babysat by an Awesome or what-not. Or guys like me who would rather be in a Wolverine or a Phoenix Hawk for mobility so they can troubleshoot for the attention-getting Heavies.
>>92605079you brought up the M11/39 in the first place.the M13/40 wasn't great, it was alright against early cruisers, struggling against the rare matilda.the M14/41 was a minor upgrade that was still roughly matched with the cruisers it was fighting.italian armor was hopelessly outmatched by the arrival of shermans in late '42.this just leaves the italians with a two year window of rough parity with a nation that didn't really do their best when it came to armor in the first place.it's not like the P26 produced in '43 would convince anyone of italian armored competence either.I don't know how you interpreted aggression but alright.
>>92605191Nope. Tank wasn't specified, you assumed I was talking about a limited production tank produced explicitly as a stop-gap for reasons known only to you.Also, I like how you've abandoned your "first few months" tick in order to talk about 42. Really desperate to score points, are we?
At least the meth head debate was about Battletech...
>>92605227you weren't referring to the italian tank most influenced by the vickers 6-ton when you said "their homebuilt vickers 6-ton"? why would I assume you weren't referring to it?I didn't abandon it, the M11/39s was the best thing they had in any quantity for the first few months.desperate to score points? and I was being the aggressive one?I've never seen someone so intensely defensive of italian armor.
>>92605257Okay - whats your favourite Clan Wolf colour schemes, particularly for frontline galaxies or Keshiks?I find everyone does Beta which is kinda boring.
>>92605057>>92605130>The secret Drac superpower is logistics with their unified supply chains, and that's why they conquered so much territory from their neighbors until Hanse Fucking Davion came along.
>>92605257These days, we’re lucky if half the posts are on topic or not blatant bait.
>>92605057There's a big disparity between speeds, so the panthers will fall behind depending on the scenario.
>>92605284>Okay - whats your favourite Clan Wolf colour schemes, particularly for frontline galaxies or Keshiks?>I find everyone does Beta which is kinda boring.Beta is my favorite, but since everyone does Beta I go with eirher Diamond Sharks (Gamma), Hell's Horses (Alpha) or Snow Ravens (Beta).
>>92605284>whats your favourite Clan Wolf colour schemes, particularly for frontline galaxiesWhich ever paint scheme that is getting flayed off the mech by overwhelming Spheroid fire.Fr tho, Gamma is kinda cool. The fiery orange and tiger stripes are pretty kino.
>>92605327The difference between 4/6 on the panthers and 5/8 on the dragons isn’t huge, especially when you consider terrain and the dragon’s lack of JJs. You just have to have the discipline to not rush your jenners too far ahead of the other mechs’ firing range.
>>92604601It isn't canon. It's from battletechnology, and in any case it's contradicted by the novels where Kael Pershaw and the Nova Cat Khan's and Nat Kerensky all live into their 80s and 90s, and where Victor Davion lives until he's something like 130.
Fuck irl history. It doesn't belong here.
>>92605600Important people living beyond the average isn't indicative of anything at all under any circumstances in any setting or time period, including real life.
>>92605410You can do that, battles are rarely running full tilt at the enemy in a straight line. I don’t run panthers often, but I do often pair the 1N with a Lancelot 02 or a hunchback. The 4/6 mover advances, while the dragon circles at optimal firing ranges and harasses. The speed is only a problem if you’re doing a pursuit sort of mission.
>>92605600That actually makes it worse, since those people would be driving the average up whether regular joes get access to the medical care that makes that possible or not.If you have 10 people, one lives to 130 and the rest live to regular 30, the average lifespan of that group is 40 even though 9 out of 10 of them died a decade before that.
>>92605600The Clans Warriors of Kerensky page 37. The version in the trove is a pretty rough scan. Also NTA but average is not the same as maximum.
>>92605600Battletechnology is merely of mixed canonicity.And what you're proposing is not even how average life expectancy works. The average life expectancy in Chad is 52, that does not mean there is nobody in Chad older than 52.
>>92605706This inability to understand math, incidentally, is why people have massive misconceptions about lifespan in the middle ages. Yes, the average lifespan was like 20, but that was because of the tremendous infant/child mortality rate from disease. If you made it into your teens, you had better than even odds of living into your 50s and 60s and passing chances into your late 70s if you weren't a farmer. While life wasn't *great* especially compared to modern creature comforts, it wasn't the nasty brutish and short existence that the mudcore fanatics insist upon where every woman has been raped to death 3 times over by the time they hit 30 and die of old age.
is there anti-aging/rejuvenation tech in bt universe?
>>92604463wonder how much of teens dying in not!spartan training contributes to this
Just painted this up
>>92605810Yes, but only slightly. Thats how you have people piloting Mechs into their 80s. So instead of having a military career that involves field service from 20 to 35-40, and then you're behind a desk forever with destroyed knee cartilage and tinnitus, if you are important enough in Battletech, you can have an effective military field career from 20 all the way to somewhere between 55-85, before being too feeble to be anything but a battlefield manager instead of a combatant."Old Age", as we understand it, doesn't set in until a person's 70s or even later if they're a major persona and have high end medical care. As compared to now, where once a person is past 50, their body is used up and they're just waiting to die. It isn't full on 40k-style juvenat treatments.
>>92605945Rear
>>92605948>As compared to now, where once a person is past 50, their body is used up and they're just waiting to diePast 30, actually, but your point is otherwise valid.
>>92605810Yes. Even basic yahoo medical care on most worlds is well in advance of 20th-century standards, which helps. Rejuve tech is expensive during the Succession Wars, with the best stuff extremely rare and based around a handful of remaining Star League hospitals. A couple of those were in Canopian space, and one of their few non-vice industries was medical tourism along with non-recreational pharmaceuticals. The NAIS recovered some SL medical tech early, which gave them a lot of leverage at the turn of the 31st century, then there was a bonanza in the Helm core. There's definitely a limit to it, though. Somewhere in the sesquicentenary range people's bodies finally just give out. But a ninety-year-old with enough money can be just as healthy as a man in his forties. >>92605842Especially in the harsher Clans, yes. If anything it undersells a couple of them
>>92605945>>92605971Very nice. That’s a good coat of pink you’ve got.
>>92606019Apprecate it. Been playing around with some brighter colors in a big project as of late and this one came out better than the others so far.
>>92605945>>92605971Beautiful smooth color, too gay. Pink is a girl color. 5/10No, wait. +2 for the old school goblin green base, -1 for outing yourself as a Warhammer refugee. 6/10.
>>92606154Well clearly the pilot is a girl, then, anon.Either way I thought some Anons would appreciate Goblin Green. And yeah, I started in 40k, but Battletech has a better community, lore that engages me more, and it tickles my autism more than any Warhammer faction has in years.
>>92606205What's wrong with pink?
>>92605759Those numbers are further skewed by the fact that certain diseases were a real motherfucker back then compared today - but there weren't constant outbreaks like we imagine, there's a reason that plagues and other outbreaks were considered massively historically significant and worth recording. >>92605368It is weird there is no tiger clan. But I guess the Tiger symbolism is already kind of a Liao thing? Or maybe a Tamar thing? I never could tell.
was nicolas kerensky a moron? or there was no other way?
>>92606289I guess lions are pretty close to tigers
>>92606323He was stupid and insane.
>>92606323He was a legitimate psycho with a dad who almost all of the people around him for his entire life revered. It's a miracle he didn't have his followers thrown into a star for looking at him funny, but they were all at least as fucked up as him and the ones that couldn't be whipped into a frothing rage got purged early on.
>>92606323He was insane. We can't reasonably call him stupid, because you can't judge intelligence or stupidity in regards to someone who literally was mentally ill (and no, not the tranny sort). His perception of reality and morality is so skewed by brain damage that what seems rational to you would seem insane to him, and vice versa.With all that said, he *did* create a society that functioned adequately enough in post-apoc conditions to prosper and not die off for several hundred years. Whatever else we're his issues, the Clans did survive out of its founders living memory, and that's not actually that easy to pull off. Most hierarchical warrior societies break down every 2-4 generations into civil war to create a new hierarchy, and he did, objectively, avoid that problem.>i have no relevant image
>>92606407"prosper" is being extremely generous to a society that simultaneously has future tech and the overwhelming majority of its population dying around the venerable age of 60
>>92606439It's kind of a Logan's Run thing.They'd be perfectly capable of extending everyone's lives to a more reasonable standard, but they want the warriors to die young (ideally just as their prime ends at the hands of a bright young fifteen year old who proves their superiority through this act) and don't care enough about the rest to give them preventative medicine. I would assume they actually have a set value for human life to weigh resources against, and it's a very low number if you aren't a teenaged trueborn or maybe scientist caste member.
Periphery General on the MUL doesn't do it for me. I need something with a distinctly second-line feel, something the WoB could buy or steal for a project. Anybody play anything interesting Periphery-based? I'm planning to just page through 3025 and my older TROs for something.
>>92606507Whether they're capable of better or not, the majority of the population living short, miserable lives is usually considered mutually exclusive with prosperity.
>>92606579So is the extreme austerity measures they live under by default. Even their top warriors need to justify their hobbies as somehow benefiting their ability to be a warrior, and personal property of any sort is dubious.
>>92606579That's your opinion, not any sort of an objective measure. And as usual, anon, compared to the misery of the Succession Wars, your opinion is wrong.
>>92603110>and you have to take the Awesome approach and fall into a firing cadence.But brother that's what battletech is about.>the fact that XL engine + 10 tons of ammo + composite structure means that you are walking time bomb,It IS, but consider that if you're firing consistently you are dealing 40 or 60 points of damage every turn, literally using up a ton of ammo within a single turn sometimes, against 19 tons of armor.>if your Thunder Hawk needs to start using it's lasers for more than a turn or two, something has gone horribly wrong. Fair point.But also consider- this Thunder Hawk can do 60 damage at 18 hexes, indirect, and can do so for 2,400 BV on a 3-3-2 firing order. The classic TDR is more expensive at 2,500 and nowadays is super vulnerable to common plasma weapons thanks to it's SHS. The only other 'mechs that can do similar damage are ones like the Hellstar for ~3,100 BV, or the Loki Mk II. Configuration F which has a similar BV but has to burn coolant pods to do so.>Also, Hedgehog when Catalyst? STOP BEING COWARDS!
>>92603110Speaking of the Awesome approach, I was reading through some of the fringe rules and came across vehicle flamers (and fluid sprayers, fluid guns, etc) being able to shoot coolant, and that coolant being able to reduce a mech's heat by 3. Coolant trucks with two vehicle flamers a piece are only 300 BV or so, and can keep up with an Awesome as long as it doesn't have to cross a river.
>>92606775The life expectancy in the inner sphere at the same time is 90, this was a couple decades after the end of three succession wars.The average at the height of the star league was 108.Clan laborers(the majority of their population) have a standard of living comparable to some of the worst shitholes in 21st century africa.How's that for an objective measure?The clanners have what they need to create their own little star league, they(the warriors) just choose not to. They're not prospering, they're merely surviving, and their elites abhor the prospect of anyone's living conditions resembling anything close to "good".
>>92606927and it's all nicolas' fault?
>>92606927NTA but here's the table from Warrior of Kerensky.Note that Warrior lifespan is bimodal; if seems like you either die before 35 or you like to a ripe old age; we've seen multiple khans in their 80s.
>>92606927>>92607043(to be clear, I'm trying to support your point)
>>92607040Well, he started it, but the warriors perpetuate it.It's a chain of guilt, every link that doesn't break is equally responsible for the future nicholas set into motion.
>>92606792>But brother that's what battletech is about.Yeah, but the THawks biggest strength was being able to put out that kind of fire without worrying about heat. >you are dealing 40 or 60 points of damage every turn, literally using up a ton of ammo within a single turn sometimes, against 19 tons of armor.Ideally, but you should probably expect to miss one or two of those shots. And while the 19 tons of armor is good, TAC's are a thing to consider. >But also consider- this Thunder Hawk can do 60 damage at 18 hexes, indirect, and can do so for 2,400 BV on a 3-3-2 firing order. This again runs into the problem of the practical. Sure, you could fire at that 18 hex range. Lets assume you've paid out the nose for Gunnery 3, get a good return on your investment. Lets also assume you had to walk to get there, and that the opposing mech knowing of your immense firepower is skulking behind some trees, and that being a high tech and high tonnage machine was able to get TMM of 2. That accounts for a solid average of variables on account of movement, TMM, and terrain. You are now looking at 3+1+2+1+4 for an 11 to hit with your Tbolts. Not exactly ideal conditions. You really need to move into the 12 hex medium bracket for your weapons before you start seeing a steady return of damage, and then you're getting to the range where other mechs can start touching you back. You make a good point about comparable mechs, but those are more durable and can engage at better ranges than the Thunder Hawk. I just can't help but see it as a real downgrade. >>92606849>TFW you've adopted the Capellan model of including an extra two vees in your lances, only instead of tanks it's coolant trucks wildly hosing down your furnace mechs so they can keep up the high pace of fire.It gotten REAL tough in the Commonwealth, bud.
>>92606927As far as the Clans are concerned, the condition of their warrior caste is the most important, with everything else being secondary or tertiary. The warrior caste is the foundation and future of their eugenics program, their ideal person, the ones that vote on what their Clan actually does while everyone else makes it happen.The labour caste dying in droves is a success if it means their martial class is kept at its peak. You could argue the Inner Sphere is favoring the nobility with the lower classes being essentially expendable, except the only reason the nobles are "inherently better" is accumulated wealth or old bloodlines.
>>92607124And the Scientists and Merchants handle most of the actual running of society. Note that they have almost normal life expectancies.
>>92607124>spoilerI've always thought it was funny how much the Clans hate hereditary nobility even though they're run by a military oligarchy obsessed with bloodlines and heritage.
>>92607124North korea is not "prospering" just because their current standard of living is fully intended by the ruling class.The lower class of the inner sphere is clearly not having that bad a time if they're outliving the modern japanese.
>>92607124I thought some clans, like Jade Falcon, actually cared about the civilian castes, at least enough to give them a good standard of living in order to justify the structure of their society. I would assume if another force wantonly killed clan civilians the warrior caste would be pretty mad about that.
>>92607183>The lower class of the inner sphere is clearly not having that bad a time if they're outliving the modern japanese.We like to talk about the Skid Row worlds (or whatever your national equivalent is), and the golden core worlds. But most of the Inner Sphere are "middle class" worlds that canonically have a standard of living not that different from IRL.
>>92607152Clans make sure to get a bunch of the prospective "nobles" killed when they are teenagers so they can jerk off about being a meritocracy. The fact their hundreds of years of eugenics still makes dozens of failures per batch doesn't seem to bother them that much.
>>92607193>jade falcon>caring about the civilian casteThe only reason that they're not the clan that is most cruel to laborers is that smoke jaguar exist(ed).
>>92607193They would be mad about their laborers being killed, but not out of compassion. They want to keep a strict segregation of roles, non-warriors aren't allowed to pick up a weapon for any purpose other than moving it out of the way or repairing it. Them ever being in combat, even just getting slaughtered, is a complete failure of the system.
>>92607211I don't mean care about civilians in the "we appreciate you" way, but in the "we'll make sure you've got what you need to do your job" kinda way.
>>92607193Most Clans "care about" their civilians. It sounds like only the Jaguars and Widowmakers were actually super mean to them.But the Clan standard of "treated well" is having a roof over your head (warmth optional) and sufficient calories and macronutrients. In particular, medical treatment is a privilege and not a right. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the main causes of death for Laborers is euthanasia following a major injury.(Which is so stupid; the resources that go into raising and training a human are so much more than the possible savings from hoarding advanced technology, especially since the one thing the Clans having going for them is a high-tech industrial base).
>>92606792>that picwow it gonna be a transporting and handling nightmare
>>92607193>Jade Falcon caring about the civiesLmao. The Butcher of Wotan would like to remind you that jokes are the prerogative of the Warrior Caste, and further violations will result in a permeant increase of hours to your 14 hour shift, and the removal of your lunch break.
>>92607271Most vehicles covered in antennas like that have the antennas removable for transport and storage.
>>92607271At least the standard weight tripod that actually saw use was relatively normal
>>92607281Okay, but Malvina is known for completely ignoring all Clan mores.
so sea fox, ghost bear and star adder are the only sensible/tolerable ones?
>>92607250But surely they would see IS mercenaries or pirates firebombing a civilian installation as a completely dishonorable war crime worthy of death, though. Right?>>92607262I imagine Ghost Bear would be the nicest to their civilians, with their whole "we're a family" thing. Also Clan policy is one thing, and the thoughts and feelings of individual warrior caste members are another.
>>92607302Blood Spirits treat their civilians almost like people, but are very poor.Snow Ravens are supposed to treat their civilians "like family" like the Bears. They also have a large number of Technicians serving as crew on their naval vessels, to the tune of tens of thousands; since they have single-digit millions of Technicians, that's also several full percentage points.
>>92607286The Hedgehog probably did see use as it was a star league mech. The apocryphal version did at least. Zoomy little bastard, it's basically a tripodal Ostscout with a "smoke projector" that would most likely be represented by a VGL with smoke grenades under modern rules.
>>92607193Unnecessary death is considered pretty dezgra, but it's also not outright illegal either. And civilians taking up arms to defend themselves? Chalcas conduct.There are definitely some nicer Clans, but it's not by much. I think the Ghost Bears have a greater sense of kinship, and the Blood Spirits were so isolationist they all banded together. But even the more liberal clans is usually in a warrior sense - allowing you a second chance at a Trial of Position, how they treat their second line galaxies and solahma, if they spit on freeborn or not.
Oh and don't forget the Clan police forces are awful. Tested-out warriors who are encouraged to take out their frustrations on lower castes and keep them down, and corporal punishment is extremely common. And the fact that the Dark Caste exists.>captcha: D4VYYeah Davy, that's the guy we should arrest for that one crime. Don't know if he did it but I'm bored of this case.
>>92607302Ghost Bears stopped being "sensible" after deciding to kill eachother off (ya know, their brothers and sisters, the whole family schtik) in a vain attempt to win Wolf Daddy's approval.
>>92607420Has Wolf Daddy shown any approval or appreciation for anyone at this point? Fucker seems determined to snub all his allies as much as his enemies, and it's only their own clannoid autism that keeps them around. Even the Nova Cats and Foxes who jumped at the chance to betray the people with a heavy elite regiment directly on their home planet were basically told to suck an egg.
did the dragoons use any clan tech/mech and/or tactics (like elemental) before the invasion?
>>92599101Is there a good/succinct tutorial on how to play megamek? Not like install or strategy, but like a tutorial on which buttons to click to get which action? I feel like I 60% of my game time is fighting the UI and not Princess.
>>92607434Paul Moon, by reviving the Jaguars. But thats only a play to have a vassal Clan he can exploit. Maybe the JF, by making them his official "bodyguards" but again, theyre practically a vassal Clan at this point.
>>92607381>ChalcasWtf does this mean in clanspeak?
>>92607467Clan term referring to a persons or belief which CHALlenges the Clan's CASte system
>>92607434No. The most he's given are approving nods when his Falcon and Jag gimps do what he says with a sufficient lack of pushback. If the writers are smart he's going through the Stannis arc of learning that you can't just put the crown on your head and say "I'm the King of Space! You owe me your lives because Daddy Kerensky said so!" Anyone remotely interested in that sort of idea has become far too jaded by the Inner Sphere to go along with that. You actually have to work the room and back scratch to get political clout, even in honor oriented societies like the Clans.
>>92607442>did the dragoons use any clan tech/mechYes. They had an Omnivee in production, as well as their mobile factory station and at least some Star League weapons. There were also a few rumors of Goon forces in really desperate straights suddenly countering with equipment that defied normal range and damage estimates. They quietly upgraded the defenses and factories on Outreach to hand-fabricate Clantech as well as some Star League items after they took it over. The birthdates of several of the Truebirths involved in the Dragoon Civil War are before the Clan Invasion as well. >and/or tactics (like elemental) before the invasion?Not Elementals, because they didn't have HarGel. They did use "augmented lances" of 5 'Mechs occasionally, and the handful of Truebirths running the Goons used several minor aspects of Clan culture internally.
>>92607442They had a really good commando unit that probably contained people with the elemental phenotype but not the armor. They otherwise made sure to use entirely introtech stuff. They are special early on for being an extra elite rated brigade with it's own lift and support units, as opposed to groups like the Northwind Highlanders and ELH which didn't really change employers and were long since accounted for in strategic military thinking.
>>92607442Nothing explicitly clan-tech. The whole purpose of the Wolf's Dragoons was to clandestinely scout the IS for the Clans. They were given mechs and equipment that the Clans thought would be pretty meh for the IS, not knowing about the Sucession Wars. So they showed up with a bunch of long dead designs and mechs that only existed in the Inner Sphere for 5 minutes before all examples and people who made them fucked off in the exodus. Basically poofed out of the periphery with an absurd amount of late-Star League wonder tech.They did bring a bunch of tactics and weird clan culture over.
>>92607512They did fuck up on their estimation of what existed in the Inner Sphere. The Annihilator is just barely a pre-exodus star league mech, but it was so new that the exodus took any prototypes or documents with them before anyone else even knew it existed. Since it was made so early in the clans existence, when the 'goons were picking mechs to bring with them, they grabbed those from the back of the pile and really made the inner sphere start wondering just who the fuck these guys are. They also had a whole pile of Fleas which nobody else could account for. A few Fleas were still limping along in the FWL, but they were nothing compared to the pristine ones the Dragoons showed up with. "Brian cache, lol" only gets you so far even if it's technically possible.
>>92599101It has been 11 (eleven) threads since MadCat Clan Fag has refused to answer my BatChallAlso why did y'all make this thread so early?
Should AC/20s have a short barrel or a long barrel?
>>92607561What model?
>>92607561Short, it's a chode gun. 2, 5, and 10 are long, but 2 is skinny.
>>92607549there's also the part where they brought a stone rhino with them
>>92607574(you)r favorite AC/20
>>92607300Nah, she's really just a archetypical Falcon. Every other Falcon is just like her, only slightly less so.
>>92607561depends on whether it's a giant slug thrower or a pseudo-RAC
>>92607403>the Clan police forces are awful. Tested-out warriors who are encouraged to take out their frustrations on lower castes and keep them downWhich is totally unlike real LEOs who are largely made of people who couldn't hack it in the real military, and who are encouraged to take their anger out on the poor in order to make the rich slightly richer.
>>92607581Short and fat. So either the 185mm on the Demolisher, or one of the 200mm models
>>92606528Just start spamming out random garbage like mech mortar 1 technicals and quickcell cardboard coffins in all their wonderful varieties.Have your mechs be nothing but bugs and your commander driving the crown jewel of a Shadowhawk 2H
>>92606528I do, I play TC and sometimes CP, so I've got lots of decent Periph lists, albiet mostly focused to cow mechs. Era/Bv/Weight?
>>92607582>Every other Falcon is just like her, only slightly less so.Yep she is the logical conclusion of all CJF culture
how did tf serpent react when they heard the voice of kerensky?
>>92607549Don't forget the Shoguns, Falcons, Hermes I, Thorns.. They had a lot of stuff that was effectively extinct or otherwise faction-exclusive
>>92607685"Oh hey, this is a neat historical curiosity"
>>92607687Keep your images on topic please. Robotech doesn't belong here.
>>92601228Dude, have you ever met someone that did a career in the miltary? They age in dog years. It's incredible.
>>92607809This. plus the stress of being in the military since childhood, regular beatings and rapes whenever a superior wants, constant threat of being sent to the lower caste and being essentially rendered subhuman, etc, and it's no wonder clanners burn out early.
>>92606579>short miserable lives because you're not allowed technology The amish seem fairly happy, even if I think they're nuts.
>>92607861They eschew it by choice. Try taking away a modern man's phone
>>92607549Didn't they bring a few WarShips?
>>92607889It's no different. You can leave clan society anytime you want, friend. Join the dark caste today. All those other schmucks really live in their caste by choice!
sorry about talking about vidya, but how the hell do you make smoked jaguar an acceptable vidya gaem protagonist? not only warcrimes left and right, but they gonna lose, fail and lose past the middle of the invasion, right?
>>92607902Trent
Who did it best?
>>92607911I will never not hate Shimmy for removing the chin turret.
>>92607911Far left is the only acceptable answer. This games roots are in Dougram and Macross. Never let them take that from you. Don't let the trannies win.
>>92607262>Which is so stupid; the resources that go into raising and training a human are so much more than the possible savings from hoarding advanced technology, especially since the one thing the Clans having going for them is a high-tech industrial baseIt's almost like the planners are all retarded turbo-autist furries and fully deserve to be nuked out of existence and their vile culture relegated to the ashheap of history.
>>92607927This but to the people who support the monarchist agenda too
>>92607927But enough about the MOC, what about the Clans?
>>92607935MOC is nowhere near as autistic. They actually know what sex looks like.
>>92607902Sometimes its just fun to be the badguys
>>92607942You're arguing that the Clans, the faction which has enthusiastic state-sponsored pedophilia and has legalized rape (and ACTUAL rape, not just """martial rape""" which isn't really even a thing), doesn't know what sex looks like?Are you sure you're making a good faith argument, anon?
>>92607935 Canopeners are all retarded turbo autists, but they aren't turbo-autist furries. That's the clanners.
so there's no democratic nation without hereditary lords and shits anywhere?
>>92607959You know that "fucks/doesn't fuck/knows what sex is/doesnt know what sex is" chart? Guess where the clanners fall on that scale?
>>92607959>enthusiastic state-sponsored pedophilia ...what?also, is there even a concept of 'rape' in the clans?
>>92607975Not at the multi-planet level but the average planet in human settled space is democratic.
>>92607250True insofar as it's a failure of the system. The actual reason isn't just segregation of roles, it's because the entire conception of war from a clan perspective is that it should be isolated to warriors in order to protect infrastructure and civilians and prevent waste, "waste" being a particular taboo in clan culture.One of the great ironies of the BattleTech setting is that the clans, who are generally presented as techno barbarian warmongers, actually have a much more humane view of war than the Inner Sphere. At least in the Clan Invasion era, you typically would only see violence directed at civilians by clan forces when those civilians "broke the rules" of clan warfare by taking up arms, fighting against the clans after their planets surrendered, etc. (the prime example being Turtle Bay). This is why Task Force Serpent/Operation Bulldog were so effective -- their stated goal, in which they succeeded, was to intentionally violate clan rules of war by targeting critical infrastructure (factories, gene legacies, committing essentially genocide against the Smoke Jaguars, etc.) and to prove that the Inner Sphere could bring total war to the clans, which was damaging to clan morale because the clans were not used to fighting at that level of brutality.Later on of course these clan ideals, and much of the structure of clan society in general, broke down, and by the Dark Age era we have Malvina Hazen and other sociopaths running around doing sociopathic things.
>>92607994>its a trial of posession for your ass
>>92604749>its main gun was also in a casemate that made it impractialDuring a time when US tank platoon leader's reaction to recieving stabilizers that allow them and their mates to shoot on the move was to completely disregard the upgrade, being a casemate isn't that much of an issue.Same goes for being an Italian tank that was meant to operate up and down mountain roads that naturally limited where the other fellas could come from.
>>92607975Most planets are going to be democratic, there just also happens to be hereditary lords and shits as well. Most planets most likely have a structure like this. >various local principalities that are led by elected officials>these would be managed by a planetary parliament most likely elected as well>parliament would also have at the table various lords and nobility >these lords and nobility are direct ties to the main government and would be able to relay any specific wishes to the parliamentNow obviously there would be hundreds of variations here but this is a basic idea.
>>92607582No, she was such an outlier from Clan Jade Falcon that she was a pariah who eventually returned to the clan with her cult of Mongol Doctrine followers to fight a civil war to seize control of the mainstream clan (see A Rending of Falcons).
>>92607994Honestly if you want to think about this large-scale there is ONE human civilisation you can study for it, the Trobriand Islands.They are, unironically, a culture that had to be told pic related by the outside world. They were/are an island culture in new guinea whose diet included a naturally contraceptive plant, and therefore for much of the year they were all dosed up on this. Only during the season with the least amount of food did they typically have low enough levels of it in their systems to be properly fertile. Of course some people might get pregnant outside that time, that's just be Auspicious. In the pre-harvest season the women of the island would wade into the ocean and invite the spirits of their ancestors to be reborn, and some of those women would be chosen. Some might not take part and be chosen anyway, that's just how the spirits are.Sex couldn't make babies, because they fucked all the time, casually, and didn't get pregnant from it.I am not making this up, you can google them. Their culture included a traditional time of female-on-male sexual assault where the man would be shamed afterwards by having his ewebrows bitten off, but there was often an element of "Ohhh you got CAUGHT on RAPE-A-BOY day hahaha was it fun? Lol bro, lol."So as far as I can tell, they considered sex a thing that was fun, brought you close in the right circumstances, but was not "binding" like it is in many civilisations. You still get the hormonal stuff that makes you feel closer to people but there wasn't centuries to millenia of cultural intertia behind the idea that "this is a SPECIAL act", just a nice one.
>>92607975No, there isn't. Democracy simply doesn't work under the communication delays which are built into the setting. It literally cannot. Not having multi-planetary democracy is about the one world building choice FASA made which is 100% completely defensible and thought-out.Now granted, democracy doesn't work *anyway* and would be a mistake in the setting of it existed on any meaningful scale. But no, there is no democracy among Battletech nations and there never will be.
>>92607994>enthusiastic state-sponsored pedophiliaSibkids are expected to be abused by their trainers; this can include sexual abuse. IIRC Aiden Pryde was said to have been raped by his warder in one of the novels.>also, is there even a concept of 'rape' in the clans?Clanners don't really put much value on sex, so rape is probably just considered a form of assault.And assault isn't really illegal as long as it's a Warrior doing it.But since Clanners consider sex to be a fun activity shared with friends, raping someone is probably considered to be kinda pathetic, like, "By Kerensky, you can't even find someone to have sex with, you've gotta violently force yourself onto a Technician? What a loser."
>>92608009>and to prove that the Inner Sphere could bring total war to the clans, which was damaging to clan morale because the clans were not used to fighting at that level of brutalityIn general I bet those days of the clan invasion were a bit like this for clanners as well, I can imagine there is a bit of a shock in seeing the way the inner sphere fought war. Especially since their mechs are probably not designed for being comfortable in prolonged campaigns. I can imagine there were probably tons of battles where the inner sphere would do things like sacrificing cities or infrastructure in order to slow down advances or secure other tactical advantages and the clanners were just dumbfounded by it even if they understand the idea from a tactical perspective.
>>92607975Some of the minor Periphery seem to be democratic (or at least, oligarchic rather than monarchical).
>>92608049>Aiden Pryde was said to have been raped by his warder in one of the novels.He wanted it. It wasn't rape.
>>92607302The Ghost bears do, in fact, not remember love.
>>92608061Come to think of it, the Clans don't have a lawyer caste so a claim like that is basically worthless>kerensky said might makes right, but launching a surprise assault instead of declaring a trial and issuing a bid is dezgraDoes that sound right?
>>92607615>Got 'Technicals' and 'armed Auxiliaries', doing Mechs first because big stompy robots come first, don'tcha know?>>92607643>3081- Anything Blakists might find, beg, or steal. Think, 'Blakists conquer Deep Periphery MyGuys.'
>>92608034>Girls and boys as young as six years of age are encouraged to have intercourse, Trobriand children begin to play erotic games with each other and imitate adult seductive attitudes. At around age 13, they begin to pursue sexual partners. They change partners often. Women are just as assertive and dominant as men in pursuing or refusing a lover.[1] This is not only allowed, but encouraged.They're like IRL Clanners!This is awesome; attached in a paper written in 1934 by an anthropologist who hung out with them. The article opens with "I read that this dude said they don't think sex causes pregnancy, and I didn't believe him so I went to the ass-end of nowhere to check it out (the idea that there might be advantages to visiting a society where people had sex with everyone all the time never crossed my mind)".
>>92608082>Come to think of it, the Clans don't have a lawyer casteBlood of Kerensky shows Warriors acting as lawyers in Clan Council legal trials, Warriors of Kerensky repeats that.(The Clans do have legal trials, albeit with combat being the appeal).
>>92608093>Women are just as assertive and dominant as men in pursuing or refusing a lover.[1] This is not only allowed, but encouraged.So this is where feminism came from. Degenerate.
>>92608102Bloodname also shows this. I have to wonder how much legal training the Warriors get. Is it part of basic, or do you get assigned some legal courses when you hit Star Colonel?
>>92608034I forget where it is, but there's some other island culture where they didn't know sex resulted in pregnancy, and their culture evolved to focus on uncles as father figures since you might not know you have any kids, but you know your sister does.
>>92608034>>92608093IIRC later anthropologists say that this was exaggerated.Yes, kinship lines are traced exclusively through the mother, and yes sex is completely free and casual, and yes pregnancy is thought to involve spirits; but they do understand the sex/pregnancy connection, they just don't think it's important.The food contraception thing was shown to definitely not be true.
>>92608178You might be thinking of the Tiwi Islanders from Australia? They think that the father contributes no physical material, but that he's important in conception on a spiritual level (like the Asari from Mass Effect).
>>92607799Eat a dick. Robotech, Macross, Crusher Joe, and Dougram art have always belonged here. Among others. Or are you that buttnugget that got banned multiple times from the booru for spam-reporting images and mass-uploading irrelevant porn when you were told to knock it off?>>92608027Your average planet kinda looks like this:* Sovereign Spacer's guild enclave in the lone spaceport* ComStar-controlled neutral ground on any worlds with HPGs. Class A compounds are heavily-fortified mini-cities. A Class C might just be a blockhouse and an antenna jacked into the local powergrid that browns out the planet once a week. CS may also own schools, hospitals, and other infrastructure. The local HPG functions as a combination interplanetary bank, news broadcaster, and stockbroker's office. * MechWarrior families control at least a manor and often a town or city. Titled MechWarriors can nominally own the planet, though few of them actually administer it directly. * One or two big cities. One of which will be the spaceport. The governor lives here if they aren't a MechWarrior, and is generally appointed by whatever method the off-planet government sees fit. This also tends to be where off-world control is strongest.* A handful of large towns or small cities, usually with a semi-democratic government (mayor, council, sheriff, etc)* A bunch of tiny outposts on the perimeter (mines, farms, logging camps) that are barely administered at all. Obviously the old, powerful planets have a lot more structured and varied systems than this. But it's pretty much what you'd expect to find if you stepped off of a random DropShip on a random day before 3058. It's hard for the states to maintain granular control of a planet for the exact same reason anything looser than a Senatorial-feudal system fails at the interstellar level.
>>92608250The average IS planet has a population in the hundreds of millions.
>davions>built in tea maker for your mech>kuritan>sencha tea provided>lyrans >scho ka kola tin >FWL>coffee, instant >cappies >caffeine pills Which faction is getting the best caffeine for their mechwarriors?
>>92603209The ferret. Cheap, fast, should at best skirt the engagement area and drop jump or foot infantry, or bully exposed infantry. Did I mention it is cheap?
>>92603209Yellow Jacket. Man, that's a fast gauss rifle.
>>92608312Probably Rasalhague (RIP, the Clans have no appreciate for Kaffeekultur)
>>92603835Are the Davions not also half French so he can get away from the puritanical legalism of the anglosphere, and do the needful, especially in the context of marriage that almost all over Europe allows 14or 15 or 16 y.o to marry with parental approval, and are not jailbait, as long as you do not record that since that is still cp.Again anglos are weird on this subject and Hanse has no reason to have any hangups about that especially when marrying a German. A pretty sweet and lovely one at that. For a German, almost an angel as far as I have read.
>>92608356>6/9so fastmuch speedwow
>>92608273Mean yes, mode no. And where did I say it was just the Inner Sphere?
>>92608382Yeah, a fast gauss rifle.
how old was hase when he got married?
>>9260839845, and yes, he married an 18 year old Princess Diana knockoff.
>>92608385Hah, ain't that one of the background robots from that show that got bubbafucked into the second part of Robotech? I think in Palladium it was the Civil Defense Unit heavy battleoid
>>92603835>It does explain why most people in universe don't make fun of Hanse for doing a jailbait wait.I'd imagine most don't because that shit happening among nobility was not uncommon, and I'd assume the same is true for the inner sphere.
>>92608431A 45 year old marrying an 18 year old is basically the entry level "battletech is weird about sex and relationships because of its focus on aristocracy" observation. People who would get upset about that instead get upset about clanner pseudoincest and aristocratic actual incest.
>>92607861We have amish around here and they all drive expensive trucks and use tractors for all their farm work. They're less shy about technology than the Mennonites I used to live near, who actually still use horse buggies.
>>92608475You know what REALLY bakes my noodle about aristocratic incest?Look at the family tree of Cleopatra. That shit's like a plait. It just weaves back in on itself over and over.And somehow, instead of ending up like Charles II of Spain, she pulled some kind of genetic stack overflow and became an attractive, intelligent, charismatic, politically-capable individual who was also able to wrap multiple of the most powerful men in the world at the time around her finger with how great she was in conversation and the sack.Yes, she had the starting place of being born royal, with money and whatever education she needed, but you can start there and still become a useless sack of shit.How the fuck did someone that inbred manage to be THAT great?
>>92608491If you do incest just right it produces beauty and knowledge, apparently. Obviously more study is needed. Unfortunately this is no longer Battletech related, so let's talk about mechs instead.I think the Hussar is cute.
>>92608491As I understand it it basically amounted to the Pharaoh's kids with his mistresses officially being presented as his by his sister, so in actual fact the level of inbreeding was exponentially lower than it appeared
>>92608551The Hussar is one of the Mechs that most benefits from Royalization. It goes from an interesting but incredibly niche Mech to a very good scout, harasser, and light-hunter.The Clanbuster variant is also interesting>8/12>ERLL => LB10-X>A little more armor, though still not nearly enough.
>>92608333>>92608333 periphery lord?
>>92608423I think it's just a squared-off version of the Stinger that's supposed to be a cheap LaborMech. But it nailed the Transformers look, and I couldn't help myself with the title when I was scanning everything up.
>>92607281Malvina was known for offering more opportunities for the freeborn to enter the warrior castes, increasing social mobility. That is not mutually exclusive with working everyone, warrior or civilian to and beyond their limits.
>cda-2a vs. cgr-1a1which one is more failure?also, what other mechs rival these two in terms of how bad it is?
>>92609245As variants? The CGR-1A1 is unmitigated garbage except in the most hilarious of edge cases. The CDA-2A at least can perform its duties as a scout.As chassis? The Cicada has a few acceptable variants in so far as they're scouts with a PPC or equivalent to pepper targets at extreme range, the Charger on the other hand only seems to really become anything impressive in the Charger C where it's the fastest Assault alive and can actually perform its designed role a solid 465 years later. A few of the close combat variants appear also to be not entirely hot garbage.
>>92609245Locust 1m and Shadowhawk 2d introtech examples of giving up insane amounts of armor for no good reason
>>92607911#1, #3, and #5
>>92608597>interesting but incredibly niche MechThe Hussar's always been a great scout and harasser, though?Its comms range is superb and by default gives it the capability to tap into enemy comms.HSR-500-D's ER-PPC is the best one, though.
>>92607561Depends entirely on the manufacturer. The fact that they all share the same in-game stats does not mean they are all identical in effectiveness, reliability, and so on In universe.
>>92607799Anon, just wait until you find out where many of the first Battletech Models came from...
>>92610223I can't believe so many animes ripped off Battletech!
>>92609424>>92609245The 1a5 is actually a really solid introtech assault, and I still maintain that the 1a9 and 3k are decent at worst. Pretty much any charger variant after 3050 is workable. The charger certainly hits lower lows than the cicada, but I think it also hits higher highs.Mind, I still think the cicada is more maligned than it should be simply because it’s 40 tons. It does its job as a fat locust just fine.
>>92610223I fucking hate that weaboo shit.
>>92610406good
>>92609424The Charger is great. The 1a3 is a decent support platform, the 1a5 is okay, but the k variants are amazing. The 9Kr is my Jihad go-too, lots of guns, TSM, and a Sword.The Challenger is excellent in introtech too.
>>92610492What is the crusader taken from?
>>92608061Who doesn't want to ride the craziest warrior-chick alive?
>>92610774Armored Valkyrie
>>92607911Any non-Shimmyseen.
>>92610223Scroggins
>>92607911The phoenix griffin is actually decent, I'm surprised how similar it looks to the original.
>>92610406You... are aware that all of the Unseen mechs were taken directly from that "Weaboo shit"? Do you have something against the history of this game and its setting?Do you dislike the rest of the Mech/Mecha Genre? A Genre domimated by American and Japanese properties for the most part? Why not celebrate the history, the intersection of interest, the love of big stompy Mechs?
What kinds of mechs and vees are usually used in stuff like recovery and salvaging operations? Specifically for the dracs
>>92608250Gal Force belongs, too, in a six-degrees-of-separation way. Character designer Kenichi Sonoda did some of the artwork for the Japanese Battletech books.Not just stylistically, either; several of his characters in the Battletech books look an awful lot like the cast of Gunsmith Cats!
>>92611068#1 and #4 are my favorites here.The offset laser on #5 is fucking disgusting and whoever thought of that should be shot.
>>92610406Get off this anime forum, then, faggot.
>>92610406>Comes onto a weeb website founded by weebs based on a Japanese image forum and owned by a Japanese maj>complains that he hates weeb shitLet me guess.You came here in either 2016 or 2020, know nothing of 4chan's history beyond some memes, and assumed /pol/ was a core component of its being?
>>92611230I just hate weaboo shit. No hate on the Japanese for whatever they do. It's just not for white Americans.>>92611148Are we on /a/ right now?>>92611068I like Battletech the game and the universe. I do not give a single fucking shit about Mecha as a concept, or other formats. It's weird to be obsessed with mechs. Borders on a fetish. And you should be ashamed of it. Go watch Avatar the Last Airbender or some other animu garbage.
>>92611284>I like battletech the game and the universeclearly not
New thread:>>92611385>>92611385>>92611385
>>92608204Fucking Malinowski...all his work reeks of degeneracy
>>92611284>White AmericansOh. You're one of those people who think "white" is a race/lineage and there are "proper things" for whites.Wild.
>>92610362That's fair. The only reason I give introtech chargers any trouble is that they're only exceptional compared to the base variant. They're serviceable, even good in close, but they're a hard sell when you have anything else avaliable (mind, this is succ wars, there is a very real chance there is nothing else available).
What was the "decision"? That he chose to bang the rich girl instead of the blonde one?
>>92611284I'm guessing you're between 16 and 22. You'll grow out of this whole White Americans phase at some point, but for now, my advice is this: Really think about what is driving you to the kinds of people who tend to spout that stuff.I used to be pretty far right, back in the Tumblr days, the insanity of SJWs and far left politicians drove me into the arms of people who were willing to say I was fine as is... ...At least, that's what they said at first. I stepped back, realized they were screeching and acting just like those SJWs I hated, realized the far right politicians were the same problem in inverse to the crazy liberals I disliked. I was a hypocrite, so were those I was hanging with. We drive them farther left, they drive us farther right... Once you see the insanity of it, you'll likely back away like I did. Focus on you, your community, your health. You'll make it man.And in the meantime, just enjoy big stompy mechs and cool settings.
i started reading some of the darkage novels. it's interesting that 'true' mechs (not just argomechs with a machinegun) now seem to be a rarity.
>>92612212>reading some of the darkage novels.Tabletop game novels are already trash tier (fun trash, but nonetheless, trash).Why would you torture yourself with the worst of the worst that is dark age?
>>92612938i just grabbed the humblebundle that had all of them. I've read all of the OG ones and moved onto the post-FASA stuff.
>>92607998This chart is wrong because FedSuns should be in Very Authoritarian and Concordat should be in very liberal
