This is a weird one. I note a lot of supposedly grim, dark stories pull a lot of the punches. I was most disappointed in The First Law, where there's a distinct strain of feminism and not a single successful rape attempt.Are there any novels / settings that genuinely follow through? I mean like, the Second Apocalypse, where it's really as bleak as promised.
>>92607659Yes.
>>92607682Women fantasize about it not men so the title is correct.
>>92607659>Actually misanthropicDelta gr->feminism and not a single successful rape attempt.Never mind. I wish you a stupid and pointless thread.
>>92607691Misanthropy means a general hate towards humanity.Misandry is hate towards menMisogyny is hate towards women
>>92607682I'm really not. Even most supposedly grimdark stories are fairly humanist in the end, in a certain sense of the word. There's karma at play, with the good guys generally getting out on top, the grizzled mercenary having a heart of gold, nothing too bad will happen to the adorable characters and kids.It's rare to find stories which will actually 'go all the way'. It's like how Graham McNeil's Storm of Iron is his only notable work, because it was one of the few books that ended with a decisive Chaos victory.
>>92607714I feel like I should elaborate. A thing I really enjoy about the Second Apocalypse is that it doesn't pull punches. In The First Law, you quickly notice that the author is something of a feminist, the women tend to come out on top and to be spared a lot of shit the men have to go through.Like one woman is stabbed and flung off a cliff, and she's still quite attractive despite having part of her skull being replaced. Another stands next to an exploding cannon, and just gets a little scar that makes her look more mature. Also, EVERY instance of sexual peril never develops into anything, they'll always get saved at the last moment by a guy who kill the rapist.Meanwhile, in the Second Apocalypse, no-one gives a shit about women. The female lead is raped multiple times (she's a hooker) and she's at the risk of being stoned because whores are unclean and go to hell. The beautiful but kind of dumb captive also gets the shit raped out of her, and no-one thinks it's unusual. Neither of them get a moment where they can grab a spear and stand up and fight, because why would they? They're just women, and men consider them lower than dirt.Like the insane barbarian guy graphically shoots a slave-woman right in the mouth with an arrow to messy effect, and Serwe's life is a horror from start to finish. This is something that just can't be done in most books.
>>92607659Battletech is sorta like this in a sense. People are ultimately always people and keep fucking up the good things. It doesn't really have a big "people are ultimately" good vibe.
>>92607763I think I understand what you're getting at, but really, even non-feminists don't like reading rape scene after rape scene. Is it realistic? In many cases yes, but it's not just SJWs that find it unpalatable past a certain point.
>>92607763kek, they'll tear you apart because you used the wrong word, but I get what you're asking for. If you don't mind sci-fi, Oryx and Crake and I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream (short story) might be what you're looking for.
>>92607790I would describe it more of a 'lack of plot armor', I guess. The Manifest Delusions trilogy is sort of what I mean.
>>92607659Uncle E's roleplay setting does this.
>>92607659>>92607763Some authors are simply uncomfortable with writing painful things happening to their protagonists. When you spend months or years developing them, you see them as your cherished creations, or maybe even as your own children, and it takes a special kind of mindset to be able to distance yourself from them just enough to be able to write bad things happening to them. Alternatively, maybe being a sociopath would help with that.
>>92607814Certainly I agree with that. They shouldn't be immune to being maimed or always saved, it's just very possible to take the consequences of being a woman in a grimdark setting to its logical conclusion and lose most readers along the way.
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>>92607832Well, like, they're characters and not real people.
>>92607659The Black Company is probably up your alley. A pivotal character in the first half of the series is found being gang-raped as a child. The series doesn't really pull many punches, as it's heavily based on vietnam war stories. There is a d20 setting for it, I have not played it.I think the books themselves are fairly light on what would be considered feminist themes. There's an amazon regiment the company defeats and mass-rapes before executing them. The books play with the value of humanism in broken societies and the relationships between necessity and morality. Two of the books are from the perspective of the company's female leadership and they aren't even remotely more moral or even smarted than their male counterparts, which I appreciate in a genre utterly pozzed by marvel writing cliches.
>>92607714fag
>>92607836go back to r*ddit.
>>92607855>bee boop, I am an unfeeling, uncreative and soulless robot, I can't feel nice about meeting you, bip bip
>>92608021I have no real say in this argument you two have going on, I just sometimes can't believe 4chan has gotten to a point where imagined political affilitiation has become a go to insult. It's like watching boomers argue on Facebook a decade past.
>>92608060Very cool anon. What other fantasies would you like to share?
>>92607855Most people have this thing called “empathy” and “imagination”The more “empathy” someone has, the more they can relate/attach themselves to people/places/thingsWhile people like you and me who have low “empathy” can just see them as just chartersMore “imaginative” and “empathic” people tend to not like the ideas of rape and torment upon their charters
>>92608103Ehh it’s my understanding that most men don’t like the idea of rape.Something they can go without, so they just fade to black, just say it happens off screen, or imply itPersonally I’m fine with that, because I’m not here to see that content. Sorta stuff just brings in the audience that I don’t like being part of.That’s the reason why grimdark settings that show that stuff are seen as grimderp, because it reads like a stunted sex freak’s fantasy.Everyone knows that there is a slannishi army that rapes people to death but no one likes thinking about it too long in a serious way.
If a traumatic rape doesn't serve the plot in anyway it's just as pointless as how edgy bloodshed doesn't automatically elevate the stakes or investment in and of itself. Misery porn is usually really cheap in execution.
>>92608021Says the little bitch whose upset that anon is mocking him in greentext lmao
>>92608159Why are you giving that autist the affirmation of a response?
>>92608212Boredom..It’s night and I have nothing better to doBesides most people already know the reason why dark stories pull their punchesJust interested in his thought process
>>92607659>>92607763Dark Sun
>>92607874Anon isn't wrong, but highlighting these moments (and they are worth highlighting) makes them standout more than they actually do in the text itself.The gang rape of the child was written so lightly I wasn't even sure she WAS raped before the MC's rescue her (child rape is a step too far even for the mostly amoral mercenary cast), or just in imminent danger.The Amazon rape is basically just referred to off hand as the mercenaries (ie. the same ones who saved the girl above) gleefully carting off their defeated female opponents. The scene is actually notable because while the narrator doesn't take part, which is why it's written so off handedly, he's also supremely unsympathetic. It's clear from his perspective he has little sympathy for them as they were active combatants who would've fought to the death had they not captured by surprise.Nothing happens on screen in either case. The actual biggest on screen rape thing I recall is The Taking, a vague ritual used to turn people into your loyal servants. The ritual is partially described as the target, in this case a female general, being gangraped by imps at one point. This general was also a pretty big asshole, as I recall, though the specifics escape me beyond like "the 'good guys' are never actually that morally upright in this story" and pretty ugly and scarred to boot. Not exactly a blushing damsel. It's notable that pretty much all of the female cast, save one very notable example, are on average MUCH WORSE than the men morally (it was one of them who was doing the ritual to begin with).Anyway, I'll second anon's rec as a good example of what OP was, awkwardly, asking for. The series abounds with examples of a shitty world where all the moral guardrails of society have broken off in the wake of a Sauron-esque conquest of the world. There's actually very little rape, relatively speaking, and again it's not focused on, but it functions as part of a wider tapestry of a world gone wrong.
>>92607742>>92607659Otherverse, specifically stuff related to the America (abortion wars) Setting. I'm pretty sure ProLifers hunt down feminists and rape them into motherhood, or something retarded like that.
>>92608323How brown are the Prolifers?
>>92607659probably because there's a limit to how much actual grimness can be put into a work of fiction before it just alienates most potential readers/watchers/players
>>92607763Don't forget the huge amount of gay rape that happens, its not just women. The series (past the prelude) OPENS with mass sodomy
>>92608092You paint a dishonest and false dichotomy. High-empathy people can also be high-intelligence people capable of divorcing themselves from their own creations.As a high-empathy individual that at times feels physical pain by the mere description of events occurring to other people, me treating my own characters as people completely different from me remains my go-to technique for character creation. That is not to say that they have no aspects of me in them - they obviously always end up having parts of me within themselves - just that they are wholly different constructs, and what happens to them happens to them, not me.I was about to say that it's not hard, but I've come to understand that a lot of people can't do this at all, or even fathom the possibility of doing this. But I can tell you that to some of us, it does in fact come easily.>>92608548I don't know the books, but I think that's his point. If you pull your punches for the women but not the men, the supposed misanthropy or whatever becomes performative and is just postmodern misandry masquerading as pseudorealistic grimdarkness.I don't think it's necessarily bad, myself, because historically women have been treated far better than men, and men have generally considered women to be of value, while men are treated as disposable at best (save specific individuals, of course). But that's not the kind of treatment I'm seeing him describing (again, I haven't read the books discussed), because it seems like women mostly get treated less severely not because of the men within the setting, but because of circumstance that just somehow works out better for them than for the men, for seemingly no other reason than the writer not wanting the women to be hurt. Which I can understand to be eye-rolling if it keeps happening.
>>92608092I don't think you get me. The characters are not real, so obviously there's that distance. I would be appalled at violence against an actual woman, but imaginary violence against imaginery women is...you know, imaginary.
>>92607659It's clearly implied that there's torture and rape and all kinds of sick shit happening in the First Law.Describing rape in the books would be idiotic, it would hurt the sales and bring nothing to the story.
>>92608998We actually have an on-screen attempted rape. Prince Lauda attempts to rape that one girl who accompanied the Dogman's group, but West kills him before he can penetrate her.Savine almost gets raped by angry workers, but she escapes in time. It's like there's an invisible force-field protecting them from being brutally violated.
>>92607659Fear and Hunger. Oh, and Berserk, where the only God is a God of evil created by the combined desires of man to have a reason for evil and suffering to exist.
>>92607659Sophitia getting defeated and knocked up by a minotaur.
>>92608672>I don't think it's necessarily bad, myself, because historically women have been treated far better than men, and men have generally considered women to be of value, while men are treated as disposable at best (save specific individuals, of course).It's literally the difference between livestock and property.Men are a resource to be spend, women are a resource to be controlled.
>>92608446They can be quite brown; the author regularly plays with stereotypes, any group which is generally seen as prolife, natalist, or large families (legitimate or otherwise) is stereotyped to the extreme.
>>92607659Look, man. If your requirement for something being properly grim or dark is to actually show the brutal rapes and every horrific action and interaction in excruciating graphic detail, that sounds like a you problem. It's like gore- something can be horrifically violent without going too crazy with the gore, something can be incredibly grim and dark without going too crazy with the on-screen rape.Maybe jack off before you feel the need to consume grimdark media, so you don't need to mix the two urges.
It's always rape. It's never "all the characters should die from dysentery from drinking dirty water otherwise it's not REAL". No one wants to roleplay dying over a week because they're shitting themselves to death. They just want rape.
>>92610020I like Grimdark monster girl media. Like Touhou or Monster Girl Quest.
>>92610357>No one wants to roleplay dying over a week because they're shitting themselves to death.Got a little system for you called Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying 2e.
Jesse Bullington's The Brothers Grossbart. Everyone is horrible, nobody is spared. It's not the grimmest setting in the world, but it's certainly fully committed to 'there is no good in humanity, nor nature, nor the supernatural' bit.A lot of mid 20th century dystopian literature is just bleak in their view of humanity, without necessarily being edgy misery-fests. 1984 and Brave New World, of course, are relentlessly realist and miserable. The various hysterical feminist fantasies like The Handmaid's Tale tend to be silly and poorly written, but even bleaker in their opinion of the human race (while most misandrist, the female characters also tend to be incredibly unsympathetic due to them being written by awful people with no understanding of morality).Anything by Kafka, with the added bonus that he's very funny and even more relevant today than Orwell and Huxley.The central conceit of Thomas Harris' Hannibal Lecter stories is that Hannibal is genuinely better than other people because he's a psychopath. That's a pretty bleak view of the human condition.A lot of 'adult' TV drama and 'serious' films tend to be very misanthropic thanks to being written by people with cluster-b personality disorders who never interact with anyone who isn't like that. Westworld is one which stands out for relentless hatred of humans; even the AIs are mostly either evil or dumb as hell.Gulliver's Travels is pretty fucking anti-human, but there are various non-humans who are morally superior.
>>92607715well humanity does have the word man in it so every time someone is misandrist they're also misanthropic
>>92608560*looks around*Where do you think you are?
>>92610760Not /gif/.
>>92608672>You paint a dishonest and false dichotomy. High-empathy people can also be high-intelligence people capable of divorcing themselves from their own creations.I was mostly talking about on average, Exceptions prove the rule no?> they obviously always end up having parts of me within themselves - just that they are wholly different constructs, and what happens to them happens to them, not me.Yeah, people can separate themselves from their work, but its easy to do that a single in depth charter. Harder to do that with an entire setting.>I was about to say that it's not hard, but I've come to understand that a lot of people can't do this at all, or even fathom the possibility of doing this. But I can tell you that to some of us, it does in fact come easily.Yeah, I don't understand people like that.
>>92610884That's not a misanthrophe, that's a racist.
>>92611243Stop replying to them anon do you not value your time? You need to accept that there are people that are not moved by reason / are here to troll you.
>>92609164Nonsense. Which is even which? Livestock exists to be spent and controlled, but so does most resources, over time. I think you had a lightbulb, but it was dim.
>>92610884This is low quality bait
>>92607874>There's an amazon regiment the company defeats and mass-rapesnice. amazons getting hentai'd is my fetish
>>92607659Shadow of the Demon Lord?Dunno, this thread hardly talks about games.You ultimately need at least a glimmer of hope, otherwise there would be no reason to struggle against the GM.Maybe Never Going Home.
>>92607659Berserk, duh.And unlike both The First Law and Second Apocalypse, it's actually good.
>>92607659Generally speaking, rape is not described in detail in these things because it tends to just turn into erotica that misses the point of having rape in your story. It's literally the same reason why in horror films, and even books, the moment of the kill tends to happen off-page or off-screen - because that way you trade out the uninteresting explicitness for the mystifying dread of imagination.There's actually a great example. In Alien, it is heavily implied that there was a sexual element to Lambert's death - and indeed to a few of the others. But we don't see it, because then it's just be another gauche gross-out scene. Instead, the implication hangs over everything after that like a dreadful spectre, far more effectively than any lurid description or frantic rape scene.
>>92607659I would have preferred a sophitia thread to whatever you guys are doing now.
>>92607659>Grim dark = vivid descriptions of sexual assaultYou're a fucking retard.>>92607874Accurate, but OP is a retard and don't tell him.>>92608287>Grim dark = vivid descriptions of sexual assaultYou're also a fucking retard. They're not wank material for budding sociopaths you dipshit. The setting is grimdark. Neither the author nor the reader are genuinely terrible human beings. Correct: the descriptions of sexually assaulting people aren't vivid enough to wrap tweezers around your needle dick over.
>>92614235Your just looking for rape porn. Not grim dark fantasy. Stop trying to gussy it up and admit that all you're looking for is rape porn. You're perfectly capable of finding that on the internet. You don't need to shit up /tg/ with threads where you pretend it's related to a fantasy sub-genre.
>>92607659>Why aren't more settings centered around my fetish?
>>92608695The blood rushing to your penis begs to differ.
>>92607659What's Second Apocalypse?
>>92616416Series of edgefest books written by an unironic reddit atheist with a philosophy degree.
>>92616416A series of books set in a more grounded fantasy setting more akin to our late dark ages and medieval era than other fantasy contemporaries. Even extremely fantastical shit like sorcery feels more grounded and involved than your typical DnD type of fantasy setting. The existence of a literal one shot hard counter for all magic users goes a long way to explain why dudes who can wave their hand and melt castle walls don't rule the world for instance. It's incredibly well written, the characters extremely compelling, and unlike most grimdark fantasy settings, it doesn't pull its punches. Oddly though, the way it doesn't pull its punches feels extremely real. The only cackling evil people are literal demons, a Nero-expy with mommy issues, and a man who is titled The Most Violent of Men. The rest of the evil done is a very human evil, the kind of shit you'd expect from people during the middle of a holy crusade. I'd heavily suggest picking up The Prince of Nothing and going from there, it's great. Admittedly the first series is a lot better than the second but the first series finishes up nicely enough that you don't necessarily need to keep reading if you don't care about the big bad in the future it sets up.>>92616442Name a fantasy setting that you don't consider an edgefest while also taking itself seriously.
>>92619774Narnia
>>92622298>narnia>not an edgefest
>>92622321
>>92607742People like happy endings, or at least sympathetic characters in stories. And pointless nihilism is just as unrealistic as everything being neatly wrapped up, it's also more boring.
>>92607790It's almost like SJW's aren't making every decision in the universe as to how culture works.
>>92623352lies, even warhammer was censored to please them.
>>92614279>>92614070This garbage SJW is typical of reddit, you don't belong here.
>>92608323That sounds hilarious
>>92624773unironically my fetish
>>92624908Gross
>>92624908The Handmaid's Tale be like
>>92624979philistine
>>92623352That was my point, yes.
>>92619774>Name a fantasy setting that you don't consider an edgefest while also taking itself seriouslyLord of the Rings; dude was obsessive about the lorez all played straight, and it's optimistic at it's core
>>92626897>everything goes worse with time>optimistic
>>92607659>I was most disappointed in The First Law, where there's a distinct strain of feminism and not a single successful rape attemptAre you trying to sabotage your own conversation?
>>92622321>>92627146Are we going to keep pretending this isn't a bait thread after this?
>>92627566no, because obviously that's not OP.
>>92622321You know, I'm going to eat the bait.Explain why you think that.
>>92610693It's actually an unrelated etymology ("man" comes from a Germanic root via Old English, "human" from Latin via French).The "-man" in "woman" does mean man though (it's from "wifman", "wif" meaning woman and "man" meaning human, default male).
>>92607763Crossbow?What are you, an Arab?Use a GUN dipshithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDIvIb06abI
>>92623345>And pointless nihilism is just as unrealistic as everything being neatly wrapped up, it's also more boring.Boring maybe, unrealistic no. Man what the fuck do you think real life is? Almost every animal exists in constant struggle and even among humans the majority are third world with even the west being a rough place for 99% of history. Even if you're wealthy you have a relatively short lifespan of 30,000 days and die.
>>92614070Literally none of the posts quoted called for vivid descriptions of sexual assault. The only reason I expanded on the first anon mentioning Black Company was specifically to make sure people understood that just because rape not only happens in the story, but is condoned by the narrator, doesn't mean it's some big, shocking, elaborated upon bit of schlock.The entire point of my post was to detail on how the Black Company creates an air of misery and suffering without resorting to trite, b-movie level exploitation. It was to head off anyone thinking that's what the Black Company is about, cause if you just tell people "oh yeah a kid gets raped and the MC rape some Amazons," the general use of rape in stories is going to conjure certain images in their heads. Just like it did when OP worded his post weirdly.tl;dr I'm on your side, dipshit. Stop getting mad because you can't read.
>>92607874>There's an amazon regiment the company defeats and mass-rapes before executing themDare I ask what book?
>>92630079The first book 4th chapter :^)
>>92629461Yeah. But also sometimes you get a birthday party and go to the movie or get drinks with the bro's. There are some highlights to life where it's not constant shit.
>>92627566Always has been
>>92628395>lion dies>this somehow makes them winedge
>>92607659Bakker is pretty good but he's sloppy and he needs an editor.The correct answer to your request is Gene Wolfe. Book of the New Sun is on the same order of darkness as Second Apocalypse but far more subtle and layered. It also has characters who act like normal people instead of talking exclusively like postgraduate philosophy majors. Wolfe was also Catholic instead of a fedora, so his talk of morality and soteriology actually means something instead of being a deep manifestation of latent homosexuality and a desire to eliminate all possible judgement."It has been remarked thousands of times that Christ died under torture. Many of us have read so often that he was a "humble carpenter" that we feel a little surge of nausea on seeing the words yet again. But no one ever seems to notice that the instruments of torture were wood, nails, and a hammer; that the man who built the cross was undoubtedly a carpenter too; that the man who hammered in the nails was as much a carpenter as a soldier, as much a carpenter as a torturer. Very few even have seemed to have noticed that although Christ was a "humble carpenter," the only object we are specifically told he made was not a table or a chair, but a whip."
>>92610693Did you know with the word for human derives from adult human male with the notable exception of Indo-European languages? Only IE languages turned the word for earthen, that's why Latins said humanus and humus, into adult male.>>92629434Everything feminism believes is a forced meme. You should absolute research how matriarchies worked in real life and include one in your next game. Can you imagine a female ruler demading women killed because her son was sad? This actually happened.
>>92632781>Did you know with the word for human derives from adult human male with the notable exception of the only languages spoken by actual human beings? Weird flex but okay
>>92632781>Did you know with the word for human derives from adult human male with the notable exception of Indo-European languages? Only IE languages turned the word for earthen,What absolutely retarded statement. Please never post again.
>>92607659bump
>>92607659Misanthropic settings? Mine.misogynist settings? Also mine.
>>92607659Hold on, this thread is genuinely really confusing.The thread title says "misanthropic" but literally everyone here is posting as if OP meant to write "misogynistic"What the fuck is going on?
>>926433394chan has fallen
>>92607659The unrevised version of Stephen King's The Gunslinger.The gunslinger guns down a town full of people when he could have just run from them. He even shoots his lover point blank when she begs him to spare her. Its a great book.
>>92607874There's an old interview with Glen Cook at a fantasy convention from about 2011 where the interviewer, a female, asks Cook about his favorite part of the fantasy convention. Cook says its the Lady (the main female character from the Black Company) cosplayers because of their leather costumes. I don't think Cook's one of these faggy modern day feminists.
>>92607691Assuming this is about rape: a majority of both men and women fantasize about being raped and about a third of men fantasize about raping people.
>>92645183>a majority of men fantasize about being rapedI'm not sure I believe that.
>>92643339because he gave an example of the violation of women and anti-feminism as misanthropic.
>>92607763I see what you're saying and I think you're right. A similar punch-pulling wave has flooded through 40k. You can discern an instant, albeit hard to easily pin down wave in that setting's fiction which is blatant now, rarer in 00s or 10s books and nonexistent before.>>92608287Glen Cook doesn't pull punches. He leaves the reader in no doubt what's happening, it's just the gory details are mostly offscreen. Croaker is also implied to be a moralfag watering down the majority of the mercenaries for the records.
>>92633110Check it out. I speak non-IE languages and it's pretty common to mix up adult male and human.
>>92645194It doesn't have to be constant. Saying that you've fantasized about something doesn't mean it is all-consuming and necessary for arousal.
>>92642125holy based
>>92644349I love how this comic only present this as a problem if you're already racist. That guy seems like he'd be hilarious to play with. He's clearly enthusiastic, and I'd love to hear him zap muthafucka's. There was a black guy I played with at college at this sort of 'tabletop introductory course' that some nerds were doing to try to scout some players. He decided to play a bard but played it off like he was some rap pop-star, like he'd say 'I'm dropping my new mixtape' before using a bard skill. I got the impression that the whole thing really wasn't for him, but he was trying to broaden his horizons and have some fun, so I think he enjoyed his first session but ultimately figured it wasn't his thing. Of course- we had zero problems with the guy whatsoever, he was putting in a lot more effort than other people were.
>>92652552shut up
>>92656066Or what fucker?
>>92643339Because his pic was of a huge busted woman and he's focusing on rape; it IS about misogyny, he's just pretending it isn't. If it was about what he said, we'd be talking about forced labour camps and dying due to lack of education a lot more
>>92656125shhhh
>>92656156You know the rules, tits or gtfo
>>92652552Isn't that the point? Like it's taking the piss out of judging stereotypes when he just wants some vidya?
>>92607832In general, basic empathy makes it hard for me to write out the really awful shit in detail, although I imagine most 4chan users don't have that problem
>>92607830Damn that’s edgy
>>92607830Based, cows and chickens have more value than jews.
>>92644349I'm more a Greater Invisibility kinda guy, but I get his drift.
>>92607830I am pretty sure nearly all animals with some sort of more complex brain, including insects, are conscious and have inner life just like we do. Considering all the horrible things that go on in the nature every day...
Unsounded is pretty damn misanthropic really, what with the living death, child murder, endlessly retained memories of pain and horror in the afterlife, and oh yeah, the war rapes as military policy thing came up in the last chapter, sure
>>92652552Racists are not human. The sooner you realize that and view anything they do as the screams of a animal the happier you will be.
>>92607763It's less threatening and horrifyyingg if you casualise it. Look at how fucking awful Stranger-Come-Knocking getting Finree in The Heroes is and how you feel terrible for her friend who's going to be raped to death, compared to what you described where no one cares.Terez, Finree, Savine, Monza, Rikke - The way they are all going to be raped and how violent and awful its going to be, and the fact some of them escape it and other women around them don't, is far more menacing and threatening then when Ramsey Bolton is described as.casually raping and murdering women with dogs.Also the First Law is considered grimdark because of chapters like The Little People, the death of the Dragon People and the fate of Leo Dan Brock. It is not considered grimdark because of explicit rape scenes.
>>92607874Book 1 sucks though. I like Book 2 because the whole storyline of the Inn keeper is genuinely fantastic but god, is Book 1 fucking boring.
To rape is the mark of a failed man.
>>92657012I would assume so except the clerk goes 'please don't hurt me', which is weird because the guy never acts threatening or violent in the comic. Unless maybe the comic has earlier parts that establishes the clerk as extremely awkward and antisocial, your response to that enthusiasm should be 'well this guy seems like he'd want to buy a bunch of my shit'.
>>92607691They hated him for speaking the truth.
>>92670731tell that to chingis khan.
>>92670703The problem is that Finree's friend is barely even a character. If it happened to Finree, THEN the reader would care.
