I think (campaigns about) conflicts between fantasy races are most interesting when all of them are equally capable of good and evil
>>92618748This is why I always pick up as many languages as possible, because I find it more fun to be able to talk to and negotiate with the not-quite-people I run across, instead of murderhoboing my way through the demihuman population. If I want monsters to murder, there's plenty of things that don't think to butcher.
>>92618748konosuba female orcs are better
>>92618748Sadly the fantasy world is full of stereotypes. And orc raider rapists are sadly one of the big ones. And the goodly orcs have to live with such a retched reputation because of packs of assholes that love to drag there peoples name thru the mud every-time they leave there tribe lands to rape and murder those smaller and weaker than themselves. But humans don't get off easy ether with the other races. What with all the demon worshiping dark lords and sorcerer diabolic cult kings we produce all the damn time. Hell humans have nearly destroyed the world so many times the elves have lost count.
>>92618905To be fair, that Murder Rape Orc's god sent an avatar into the last clan moot, and killed each leader who hadn't murder raped at least ten humans in the last year, then cock slapped everyone on the premise simultaneously before disappearing in an explosion of gore.Or not. Depends on the setting. Turns out the orcs live in an absolute shithole of a region because they got pushed into it during the mythical era, when the gods had a global cockfight over which one was the best one.
>>92618748>for petty reasons my edgy human BBEG has a hate boner for elveswelcome to E&E Elves and Eugenics filth edition
>>92619013I did that, actually. Elven magical dick waving led to an apocalypse, setting was 100 years post apocalypse, big extended hillbilly human clan used any not humans as slaves on a plantation, and had a few pre-apocalypse devices to maintain control. Was a fun blender of DnD, Stalker, and Fallout.
>>92618748Plenty of fans have been saying that since 80's. But they didn't change it until the wokies started reeing.
>>92618748Suck my dick before asking me to care.
>>92618748Sure but there's probably still going to be a few that are just evil at their very core, like the Demonborne Gnolls of DnD. They literally can't be good because they have fiend blood and Yeenoghu will come down and eat you if you're not evil enough.
>>92619777another good example why DnD alignments are saturday morning cartoon stuff that should not be taken as a guideline for anything beyond pure wargaming
>>92618748I concur.>>92619808I mean I personally just view them as a quick two-word description of how to roleplay an NPC. Efreeti for example are generally Lawful Evil, therefore they are generally utterly selfish and completely okay with the idea of harming people to get what they want, while also generally adhering to the letter of their word (even if twisting the spirit to benefit them) and preferring tried-and-true methods to spontaneity.
>>92618748I think games are more interesting when they focus on gameplay.
The moment the orcs stopped being evil is the moment this Board died
>>92620130Based
>>92619013>Elves and Eugenics filth editionthat's closer to canon than you might think I'm not saying all sun elves are racist, but when you consider that the only elven kingdoms which still exist shoot humans on sight and then there are the drow and they have MANY cities down there
>>92619808Still haven't been able to grasp them, huh, buddy? Don't worry, you don't have to.
>>92618905>human stereotypesI am now imagining orcs and humans uniting because we have a reputation of being rapists when we’re just normal horny dudes with racial epidemic of xenophilia fetishes. The great man-Orc crusade of picking up chicks begins and no nation’s taverns and social spaces are safe.
>>92623401Sun elves are the fucking worst people on Toril. Even putting aside the organization devoted to the eradication of mankind (the existence of which the Harpers insist on hiding for some fucked-up reason), they've caused so many fucking problems for the elves and the world at large that their fucking off to Evermeet resulted in a marked improvement in everyone else's lives. Them coming back is the worst thing to happen to Faerun.
>>92618748Oh wow anon, you're soo brave for posting your safe mainstream opinion.
>>92618748>I don't play games at allThanks for sharing, OPCaptcha: RPGJG
>>92619808What, do you think a literal demon from hell can be good? Splots of grey are fine for some races like Orcs but there's just going to be some that aren't going to be anything else.
>>92618748That's so contrived though, there's no reward for being neutral, noble factions are incentivized to continue farming credibility and are disproportionately punished for losing credibility, while evil factions are incentivized to become even more evil.
>>92618748Individuals with greater capacity for evil who do good are more compelling.
>>92628108No, that's a normal person.
>>92628375Normal people don't do good.
Monolithic races are lame most of the time. That's why each race In my fantasy setting is divided into tribes and nations with different connections. Some lizardfolks are on peaceful terms with humans and trade with them, others are openly hostile towards them and vice-versa.Also I hate the trope where an alien species can only have one type of personality and philosophy.
>>92625151I think more like the worst of ELVEN kind of Toril AT THE MOMENT because the wild elves who kill most humans or mindwipe them have disappeared from 5e>hell, I remember reading the Drizzt series chronologically and I could have sworn that the little girl from the very beginning saved by Drizzt was supposed to be a WILD elf but somehow became a high elf at some point, and I'm not sure if I've become crazy or if they retcon'd thatand then there are the drow, so really sun elves are the worst kind of elf on the SURFACE and we still have all those monster races and I can't imagine an elf being worse than an orc, well, okay maybe the drow, because they have the intelligence to keep you alive while they torture you for fun
>>92628520I suppose that a redditor who thinks that good orcs are an interesting or original concept would have these retarded opinions.Because of people like you, the board is dead.
>>92629149>Monolithic races are lame most of the time.It's how it worked in mythology, but I guess you don't know anything about culture that's older than a century.>Also I hate the trope where an alien species can only have one type of personality and philosophy.I feel the same way and it's completely Star Trek's fault.
>>92629376I also forgot that this is how orc society works in D&D, the reason no one knows is because good orcs are boring.so don't think you're original, kid.
>>92618748We all do, it's why we don't shut up about it. At the same time, investment on the part of players frays so easily when everyone is an individual with functionally arbitrary goals and motivations. Sometimes, it's not worth the trouble.
>>92618748I like how LotR did it.Evil corrupts and any mortal who is "evil" is just various degrees of corrupted.Like a LotR is just an elf that was twisted into evil by giga-satan and then bred to remain evil, but when not actively being enslaved by some dark power they mostly just hide away in some caves somewhere.They're victims, they don't want to fight, but where there's a whip there's a way.It makes the people holding the whip, the actual BBEG, that much worse.
>>92618748Fuck that, I have humans for that, if I add a fantasy race is because I want to get some alien stuff for them, muh grey scales is boring as fuck and it ends in California fantasy with orcs sipping lates and the rest of lame stuff.I have various races and they are divided in allies of humanity, independent, and haters of humanity, and that's all the axis that matter. Humans want to make the planet more habitable to themselves and they allies (of course there are nihilistic pricks in the humanity camp than want to make it imposible to habitate), the independents don't have a horse most of the time, and the later want to make the world unliveable to humanity and co.
>>92629852The problem with LotR is that at the end of the day it doesn't matter how the orcs were corrupted, they are all vile trash.
>>92618748I think you don't actually play games and just want to talk about some shitty tranime
>>92630071>tranimenewfag
>>92618748Have you talked to random people? Tell them a deathly sin is hated by God and they'll tell you "there's no hatred like Christian love."Make elves Catholics. Make them persecute lust and pride with prejudice. Make elf hate the "cool thing to do." Make lawful good a hated option.