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>>93915958>TQFuck everything that happened before I cast this shit, it doesn't matter anymore.
>>93915958>TQ
TQ:
>>93915958>TQThis is the obvious best answer
>>93915996Reminder to everyone that the Cheatyface errata was the day Magic died.
>tq
>>93916007cunts will disagree
>>93916025Then he better pay the cost
>TQwhy is it still so relatively expensive anyway? it's no longer the staple it once was
>>93916097>why is it still so relatively expensive anyway? it's no longer the staple it once wasPrice memory is real.If it gets a reprint, its price will crash and never recover. Prices don't drop without reason, and once price memory is broken a new paradigm settles.
>>93916021>effect just when it enters>not enters and attacksAncient card design.
>>93916129Waiting eagerly for enters, attacks, dies.
>>93916136>Waiting eagerly for enters, attacks, dies.Damn, now THAT'S what I call living in the future.
>>93916136Not all the same effect, but still.
>>93916140Soon
>Bloodtithe Harvester II>BR>Creature - Vampire Spirit Wizard>When Bloodtithe Harvester II enters, attacks or dies, create a Blood token.>T, Sacrifice ~: ~ deals X damage to any target, where X is three times the number of Blood tokens you control.>3/3THE FUTURE IS NOW, OLD MAN.
>TQDark Ritual (Beta)
>>93916140At last, real creature value.For some reason I want dies to be leaves now.>enters>leavesIt's funnier.
>>93916151>no hastelimited fodder
>>93916166>limited fodderYep, that's why we downshifted it to Common.
>>93916160You missed that bus a long time ago.
>>93916140I ran this in Satoru Surprise once only to learn that when a creature enters the battlefield attacking, it hasn't technically attackedThat was a sad day
>Bloodtithe Harvester III>When X is cast, enters, attacks, or dies....
>>93916175Bruh
>>93916181>or phases in or out...
Hello, fellow gamers.I would like to introduce you to a new format.>PatricianLegacy card pool and banlist to start. (Basically, no Reserved List, Stickers or Conspiracies.)Basics and Uncommons only. (No Commons)
>>93916136>Reveal in hand>Cast>Enter>Attack>Blocked>Die>Exile from graveyardWhatever it is that will use all 7 vectors, it will cost {1}{U}{G}
>>93916191Would play
>>93916195Dies should just be leaves, that way it can cover exile and bounced to hand.
>>93916190>or becomes tapped or untaps...
>>93916202>or becomes a target of a spell or ability...
>>93916202Take it to its natural conclusion.>does anything
>Oko & Uro>1GU>Kicker 1GU>When Uro & Oko enters, sacrifice it unless it escaped.>When ~ enters, if its Kicker cost was paid, create a 3/3 green Elk creature token and a Food token.>Whenver ~ changes zones or becomes tapped, you gain 3 life and draw a card, and you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.>Escape GGUU, Exile five other cards from your graveyard.>6/6
>>93916191This is just pauper, but more obnoxious. I would rather play in a format that allows anything, but bans any card that has ever been printed at rare or mythic rare.
>>93916211keked at the name already
>>93916191Sounds kino tbhfamalam
>>93916211>makes food>draws card>rampsUnironically will be printed in a commander set (any set) in the near future.
>>93916191Patrician evokes the idea of rares and mythics only, should be called Proletariat.
>>93916211>changes zones or becomes tapped>Play it>Crew a vehicle>Sac it>Draw 3, gain 9, play three lands>Gets Thoughtseized>Draw 1, gain 3, play a land.>Use a second one to escape the first one>Both triggerDamn, now that's sounding like the future, but now.
>>93916228Not for long comrade
>>93916255That card has no right to be that aesthetic.
>>93915958>Tqlook, he's so happy!
>>93916282>Triggers when you draw it. (Just trust me, bro. I drew it!)>Triggers when it gets Thoughtseized.>Triggers when you cast it (Hand or 'yard to stack)>Triggers when it enters (Stack to battlefield)>Triggers when you exile it to pay for an Escape costBrilliant. "Whenever ~ changes zones" is just about the most FIRE thing I've ever read.
>>93916304oops
>>93916305If it was legal they would just have in the comprehensive rules something like>If you draw this card, you must reveal it. Once revealed, the trigger occurs.
>>93916282I want it.
I only have 3 copies of Past in Flames for ruby storm and my LGS doesn't sell singles instore for some insane reason. Should I put 2 main 1 sideboard or 3 main? I have 3 copies of wish, could go up to 4.
>>93916320>miracle card>but for some UG value-vomit sloppaNow THIS is card design.
>>93916351UG?Anon, ANY color can draw it!FOR FREE!!!!
Did B/W get aby love?Victor kinda seems meh
>>93916391It would be fun aristocrat stuff if they hadn't cucked possess.
>Be me>Have tortured existence in play>End step, discard Oko & Uro>Gain 3 life, draw a card, put land into play.>Card I draw and reveal...>ANOTHER OKO & URO!?>Gain 3 life, draw a card, put land into play.>During opponent's upkeep, I activate my tortured existence in order to discard my second Oko & Uro to return my first Oko & Uro to my hand.>Gain 3 life, draw a card, put land into play, gain 3 life, draw a card, put land into play.>LE GASP>I have mana to do another activation!
>>93916420Wew
>>93916423Nobody has been able to cast that spell!
I never checked out /ccg/, was it just people being dumb or were there actually good ideas? Here's my treefolk.
>>93916463>was it just people being dumb or were there actually good ideas?Usually when I visited people were cooking up whole sets meant for drafting that could be a set that might get released.>here's my treefolkactually seems balanced.
>>93916463Cool treefolk
>>93916488Yeah, the idea was to encourage people to sac lands. Maybe some synergy with moving counters around, or effects that count how many tapped lands you have.>>93916481>cooking up whole setsThat does sound cool.
>>93916463>I never checked out /ccg/, was it just people being dumb or were there actually good ideas? Here's my treefolk./ccg/ had a few core anons that were some of the most autistic fucks in the world, but they were great designers. Better than anything MTG has put out in the past ~8 years.But aside from the core few, there was a lot of Foegod-tier shite.
>>93916567>FoegodDare I ask?
>>93916714>>Foegod>Dare I ask?THE MANTHE MYTHTHE LEGEND
Nosewater has literally NEVER said that White breaking the color pie was ok. It's the only color he openly and vehemently despises doing anything remotely out of pie in his biased dogma.Blue creature exile removal?>Oy vey, very kosher!Black enchantment removal?>Meshugganuh, its alright!Green stealing everything from White?>They overlap!Red gets free +1+1 counters?>Totally a mensch!White getting treasure tokens or card draw?>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THATS A BREAK IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE, WHO'S THE NAZI WHO BROKE THE SACRED PIE??
>>93916567I really liked the prompts where we would take something that normally wouldn't be in Magic and represent it using the rules.
>>93916818Yeah it was great fun. Shame that WotC sucks eggs and shits the bed with every set. /ccg/ could have easily kept chugging if the culture of MTG hadn't been obliterated.
>>93916753>that set symbolkek
>>93916753>"I never pray to god."Dare I say it...FOEGOD BASED?!?!?!
>>93916843It didn't help that we would have a passionate argument about how a homebrew card was too powerful and broke color pie only for WotC to print a more powerful pie breaking card in the next set.
>>93916873>It didn't help that we would have a passionate argument about how a homebrew card was too powerful and broke color pie only for WotC to print a more powerful pie breaking card in the next set.Yeah I mean, /ccg/ was great fun when MTG was properly designed and you could legitimately banter about how retarded your ideas were.Nowadays it's like, "Wow, great, your idea is stupid as fuck. But WotC already did it worse so it's not even fun to shit on."
>>93916170>Thragtusk has been so thoroughly powercrept that its only home is as a pet card in EDH decksgrim
>>93916170LEAVES WHERE?!
>>93916984That's the beauty anon, anywhere!
>>93915958My beloved i always liked it and is a shame sac is good now but without it.
>>93916984Leaves into the graveyard, a hand, exile, or into a deck.
Digital utterly spoiled me. Playing Magic with actual cards is a pain in the ass now, too much shit to keep track of
>>93916984Still the battlefield, anon.
>>93917604ENTERS WHERE!?
>>93917636There is only one space creatures can enter, anon. Pretending to be retarded is still retarded.
>>93917636Your hairy asshole fag
>don't play modern for 6 months>go to lgs on modern night to drop off a card for a friend>decide to play seeing as im there>remember why i don't play modern
I want to go back to Pre Modern era bros... I want to erase UB and MH sets and return to perfection...
>>93916191>legacy but with monocolour manabases, no combo and no win conditionspauper is ass btw
>>93916463you just put this on a fetch on turn 2 right, should be tap and then stun. also it's undersized anyway
Yer'ass Haunt>UB>Creature - Donkey Spirit (common)>Haunt>A creature haunted by Yer'ass Haunt gains, "At the beginning of your upkeep, put a stun counter on this creature.">Whenever the creature Yer'ass Haunt leaves the battlefield, return Yer'ass Haunt from exile to the battlefield tapped.>2/2
>TQ
>>93918204(whoops on bad wording, should have made that)>Whenever the haunted creature leaves the battlefield, return Yer'Ass Haunt from exile to the battlefield tapped.
>>93918222wtf were they thinking
>>93916015I’m angry MaRo insisted that surprise party needs printed clown tokens, ensuring that if you opened it at draft you’d get at best 3 clown tokens.I drew my own and no one complained.
>>93916102This is extremely evident with basically any downshifted card printed in mh3 that isn’t seeing play in modern. Old printings dropped but the price memory kept them fairly high. Mh3 printings are literal pennies (see:barbarian ring).
>>93916191I’d play it
I miss when i could actually play this in modern and it would be really good
>>93918619Ooops didnt post the pic
>>93918619Pioneer will be extended back by Innistrad block so you will get an opportunity.
>>93916368>we didn't consider that players would play it outside the UG commander color identity in other formats
>>93918496MaRo's excuse for Play Boosters was that he had at times mistakenly opened a Set Booster instead of a Draft Booster.I seriously wonder why anybody views him as credible about anything. He has said so much. Like the actual quantity of things he's said about the game is so fucking immense that if you actually read/listen to everything he says you will realize that any time he has to obfuscate the truth he will be brief; and he will give long winded answers justifying dogshit product.I have had to listen to people say for years that MaRo knows how to make the game. Well, clearly he fucking doesn't because he's still there and it's gotten worse, which suggests he isn't a defender of anything that was good because he's out there defending this shit.Horror in video games has made so many fucking leaps beyond what movies have done in the past decade. Single games contain simply the most horrific shit you can imagine and can steal wholesale to inspire an entire Magic set. And yet they still chose to pull entirely from the 80s, which has less total convincing horror than a single modern video game.
>>93918709Oh shit i forgot. I may actually play pioneer. When will they print bolt into the format?
>>93918870>Ruins your hobbyThank you (((rosewater)))
>>93918891Hopefully never. And hopefully fatal push gets banned, too.
>>93918959Lmfao get bent timmy, pioneer needs better interaction, not less of it.
>>93918984It needs better interaction, not "oops, every black deck literally has to run this card"
>>93918959Bolt warps the format in the best of ways. Id even put it into standard
>>93917556What platform is it? I don't recognize the interface, doesn't look like MTGO or Xmage
>>93918870It isn't just the themes. It is the style of art. There is something too tame about most of them.
>>93918999This. Standard would be 100% better if it had bolt right now.In before shitters say that RDW decks would be unbeatable if they had bolt. Protip: Bolt also shits on those decks hard.
>>93919140>The answers to problematic decks aren’t problems themselves!Spotted the JOTC traitor, also red tards belong in pauper containment.
>>93919046>There is something too tame about most of them.Because everything looks like The Thing doing nothing that makes The Thing actually scary.It's easy to understand why everything in this set has no fucking balls. Imagine a bear, bears are visually adorable, if I drew a picture of a bear just standing there (like all the horrors in Duskmourne), you would probably have a neutral reaction. If I drew a picture of what a bear does to people namely shred their bodies with their claws, bite off chunks of flesh, and then proceed to eat them alive, suddenly bears are something out of a horror movie.Off the top of my head there is only a single card that shows what these monsters do to people, and it's they put you in a cocoon and you emerge a brainwashed cultist. That's fine. Except now you're looking at all these clawed monsters and you realize they aren't going to rape, murder, and horribly maim you. And this means that the monsters are manageable, that they are in fact less horrifying than people.
>>93919240Actually only the cultists put people into the cocoons. The monsters do varying things to you. Cellarspawns eat you until all that's left is a remnant that's just in agony. Wickerfolk turn you into one of them. Razorkin brutally maim and murder you or torture you until you break and become one of them. The animated toys just seem to kill you. The Fears consume you and become strengthened by your nightmares.
>>93919293>The monsters do varying things to you.Respectfully, if I don't see this shit on cards then it's not real. I know you're pulling this information from some official Wizards source, but if you have to depend on the reference materials to understand what the fuck is going on then the visual component of the game is a total and utter failure in expressing anything but a pile of useless tentacle monster drawings.
>>93918993Every black deck needs to run it because it's the only efficient option available.
>>93919329At the very least the Cellarspawn thing is shown on cards. Admittedly nothing really showing the rest, though you can infer for the Fears based on the faces in the art, I guess.
>>93919329All forms of bizarre torture are directly stated or implied to happen on Valgavoth's Wild Ride
>>93918625this thing isn't even playable without the conditional clause
>>93919329Some things are too icky to show, anon.
>>93919232>Seething timmy
>>93919357I played mono white humans at the time and it was a great one or two of. With limited removal that hit it then and paired with kytheon it helped me win many nights at my lgs
>>93919240>Because everything looks like The Thing doing nothing that makes The Thing actually scary. Imagine a bear, bears are visually adorable, if I drew a picture of a bear just standing there (like all the horrors in Duskmourne), you would probably have a neutral reaction. If I drew a picture of what a bear does to people namely shred their bodies with their claws, bite off chunks of flesh, and then proceed to eat them alive, suddenly bears are something out of a horror movie.Imagining
>>93919482>braindead kike
>>93919240The only ones I found even unsettling were just these. No fear of bugs just the perspective and scene and coloring gives it more of an ick vibe.
>>93919528Sorry but im already the lightning bolt chad and you are but the >4 toughness virgin
>>93919494well times change old man
>>93919547
So you think you are good at draft and card evaluation? Prove it.https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScwT5xLdlE5hcZli6hV7Bv5AhAAxuApQpqgEHoUguA2rJjiCw/viewform
>>93919599>arenathe gay retard thread is 2 blocks down buddy
>>93919590Hmm, fair, I'll give you that one.
>>93919608https://youtu.be/s1z5bFRc0qY
>>93919551And now i play dimir murktide control
>>93919608As far as i know irl events can't be scraped for data
>>93919649and the award for dumbest anon goes too....
>>93919727>tooESL.
>>93919800This post is extremely low quality.
>>93919548>implying a token deck cares about single spot removalKek, lmao even. What a red gooner
>>93919639based
booba..
>>93918432>let's make a red hate cardIt's not that bad against other colour's and their overpowered removal
There's a lot of cool art in this set, but isn't there always.The problem is that the only overarching theme is "horror", and so the different styles of it clash together. Camp, slasher or psychological can only work on its own, I think.This is why Bloomburrow was so great, because it was so tight and stylistically consistent, even down to art styles.
>>93919897>control sun titan>still afraid of the dark damned limited mechanics
>>93919897I don't know why the Gremlins are even a thing. They exist on, like, three cards, and only one actual creature card. Beasties at least have a uniqueness factor even if they're relatively under-used, but Gremlins are... Just not used.
>>93919974Oh, my mistake, 5 cards. Three cards make the token, one card is just a Gremlin on its own, and then one depicts a Gremlin. Still, absurdly small presence for something that got a whole entry in the Planeswalker's Guide and everything. There's just genuinely TOO many things.
>>93919897If the first thing it kills is the light why doesn't it kill the glimmers when it enters?
Chucky Secret Lair too. It looks horrible.
>>93920083Horror film fanatics are up there with car people and guitar guys for the absolute worst people aliveIt would make sense that they have crossover with mtg
>>93920083Had forgotten how shit Kardur was
>>93920135you sound like a female
>>93920083>kardur doomscourge isOkay that's funCards ugly tho
>>93920135Do you hate beer guys too, sweetie?
>>93920147t. Has never tried to talk cars
>>93920159Damn you are rightBeer snobs suck too
lmaopioneer masters confirmedpioneer horizons will be a reality in a few yeras.
>>93920286>pioneer masters confirmedit has been confirmed since 2020this is just them saying they're actively working on it>pioneer horizons will be a reality in a few yeras.foundations is coming out in 2 months, that's what pioneer horizons is going to be
>>93920286https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
>>93919974https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/best-80s-horror-movies
>>93920286Why wont they stop?! I just want to play formats with formerly standard legal cards, why is this such a problem for them?
>>93920286>>93920365I thought Pioneer Masters was what they were calling bringing Pioneer proper to MTGA and doing away with Explorer?
>>93920365pioneer masters is a digital reprint set for pioneer cards missing on arena, it doesn't affect actual pioneer
>>93919897That is very nice art.>>93920286Anyone want to place bets if this going to have Pioneer Commander Decks that are not legal in Pioneer?
>>93920390yes, it's exactly that
>>93920397Oh so that Anon is just being an Anon about it, okay
>>93919995>Red gets card advantage attached to removal>White’s removal gives the opponent card drawBravo Nosewater, white is definitely the premier “color of removal”
>>93915958>thread pic>10/1 blue cardDoes the colour wheel still have any meaning?>TQI played once kicked Rite of Replication on opponent's Primalcrux. There's something beautiful in attacking with five 30/30 tramplers.
>>93920390Yes dont let schizos and haters tell you otherwise. This is just Pioneer into Arena has nothing to do with UB shit or worse Horizons garbage.Only Memedern whales and retards will always deal with that trash. And gladly so the rest of us can enjoy this game.
Say it with meFIVEYEARSTANDARDROTATION!!!
>>93919848>TokensEven worse. Ironically i really only ever splash burn. Im more of a white and blue player.
>>93920421Damn you just didn't read any of the rules text on the card at all, huh?
>>93920421The pie itself has lost much meaning, however what mindskinner (the 10/1) is doing isn't new and is part of the old color pie. At most its a power creep on a very old gameplay mechanic from like 2005.
>>93916391Almost certainly too bad to see play, but an orzhov deck blinking/spamming bandits talent, ringtones joins up and hopeless nightmare *might* find some niche use for him.
>>93919374>The trick with horror is that there's also a portion of players that can be turned off by it>Some products just aren't for you!>What's that?! Use the same line of reasoning to make a GOOD Product!?>NO, FUCK OFF, EVERY PRODUCT IS FOR EVERYONE!Unholy fucking god forsaken pieces of insufferable shit are in charge ot his game.
>>93920506Richard Garfield made the colour pie for a reason. Killing that is killing the very essence of MTG.
>>93920506If only there wasn't any way to turn off damage prevention...
>>93920547The really crazy thing is that ONE was already a huge step back from already established Phyrexia / Phyrexians (basically just humans in bone armor cosplay). How was ONE "too far"?
>>93920547>anon mad that the business wants to sell more productThis is your fault for not giving them enough money :)
>>93920581Richard Garfield also created>Ante>Black Lotus>Time Walk>No deckbuilding restrictions>Artifact (video game)I'm sure he had a reason for those
>>93920638Artifact was honestly extremely well designed and very tactical.It was just a special kind of cuck-slaughtering frustration that its casual gamer target audience couldn't get into.
>>93920670>One of the most core game actions (playing creatures and attacking) has an RNG mechanic behind itNo, it really wasn't. It was a game that *felt* smart when you were first playing it but after you got good at it you realized the gameplay loop was insanely degenerate because it basically boiled down to every deck playing an unholy abomination of aggro and stax at the same time.
>>93920604Now let's give it haste and double strike
Okay okay hear me out.Leylines...but creatures
>>93915958I didn't look closely enough at The Mindskinner last time. I didn't notice the "any source" clause
>>93920722U/R enchantment rapes
I still this guy is going to be busted somewhere
>>93920733
>>93920606I think the funny thing about ONE is that maro thinks it's being super edgy with exposed muscles everywhere but he only thinks that because that's how they wrote it. Anybody who looks at the art thinks the White Phyrexians are just wearing neon red plastic because all the art is just that fucking bad compared to the realistic painted exposed muscles from Scars block.You look at all of Norn's underlings in Scars and none of them have the ridiculous neon red from ONE. It's so fucking awful how phoned in the art is.
>>93920775You can cast it and then follow up either with a Bone Harvest type effect, milling your opponent for at least three, or just holding up your opponent's creatures while you swing for six. And if your opponent kills the thing, that just gives you more time to turn what's left of his library to your advantage.
>>93920733>Essence of the Goblin>3R>Creature - Goblin>If ~ is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.>First strike, haste>Whenever ~ enters, attacks, or leaves, deal 1 damage to any target, then exile the top card of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.>Whenever you play a card exiled by this card's effect, create a Treasure token.>2/2
It's absolutely dumb as hell to call Duskmourne the horror set when it's clearly camp-horror daytime tv BuffytVS/Goosebumps/Aaah Real Monsters/X-Files/Are You Afraid Of The Dark twee nonsense but also trying to thread the line of "proper horror" (whatever the fuck that means) and failing spectacularly at both. Putting Chucky and the Ghostbusters behind Secret Lair is just insult on injury. I do like some of the Fear Of cards, sure. But that's less than ten out of 250. Not worth more than a booster pack gamble when you're bored.
>>93919374>the trick with horror is that there's also a portion of players than can be turned off by it if images get too graphicHorror is meant to be ick, and unsettling, and disturbing, and uncomfortable, and gruesome, and bleak. You can't appeal to everyone with horror. This is a proven fact and trying to go for a wider appeal loses the point and creates a watered down experience.>The team working on Duskmourne wanted to make it a nod to the proper slice of horror while still being senitive to what types of images creep people out.This half-commitment shit is exactly why Bloomburrow is the big hit from this year and why MKM, OTJ, and now DSK is considered weak offerings. Because Bloomburrow actually committed to what its set was about in fullness. Like who the fuck puts googly eyes on a spider and thinks that is creepy?
>>93920910>then exile the top card of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
NEW BREW ALERT
>>93920912Bloomburrow was a hit because cute animals, that's it. Glimmers in Duskmourn being (mostly) cute animals is not particularly horror related, but I guarantee the set would sell worse without them.
>>93920949I don't have an issue with glimmers. I have an issue with the art direction being crap. Like look at this. What exactly screams horror about the art, not the flavor text. If I took away the duskmourn symbol and flavor text, would you say this came from a horror-themed plane on first glance?
>>93920945>new
>>93920975Find me a boros hammer time list please.
>>93920960Not every card is going to be 100% on theme, especially if you decide to ignore flavor text. Like ISD was mostly gothic horror, but it still had references to more modern stuff. If invisible stalker had been printed in DSK instead of a decade ago, would people be complaining about it too?
>>93920977no
>>93920960Ignoring the minor details like the fucked up greenhouse setting, the cocoons hanging in the background, the monster in the background, and the eyeball in the plant. Because you won't notice such things on a card.I think the vines coming from all around wrapping in an organized manner rather than randomly around a guy with a demented face and forming circular shapes not unlike ritual circles makes a pretty convincing show that it's a horror situation. The flavour text adds to it even if it's stupid boilerplate shit.The real problem with this card is that it's a 0/4 that taps for any colour. Yes, this is appropriate for an Uncommon but it's also a card that shits up Limited enough that it should never have been printed. We're not casting Eldrazi in this set so something like this is actually obscene in how much power it gives a player.
>>93920911Have you ever checked out Changeling: the Lost? According to it, "alien abductions" exist in the World of Darkness, but are actually just another way the True Fey fuck with people. I think either the artist or the art director know this bit of WoD lore, and are using it to rationalize this card and the Hovership existing in Duskmourn
>>93920911Oh, also, you're correct, and the Wizards team have basically said as much. Innistrad is gothic horror, Phyrexia is body horror, Duskmourn is slasher/campy/creature feature horror
>>93921041I mean, the fears aren't saying actual aliens exist on Duskmourn. Just the fear of being abducted does, or did, and the House is making use of that fear. Irrational fears are still fears.
>>93921036>manadork shits up LimitedDreadful
>>93921041Those two cards are clearly meant to reference ayys, but they still make sense in universe. Abduction isn't just done by aliens, and it's pretty relevant in a set where a demon kidnaps people into an inescapable house. Both cards also have Valgavoth's moth motif.
>>93920996People were fine with it. While the setting of Innistrad is meant to be a throwback to victorian and early medieval, it wasn't shy about mixing more modern pieces of horror that actually fit, as Innistrad was the defacto horror plane. The only real reason people grew tired of Innistrad was that we had visited it so often. Literally SOI and EMN was doing the body horror aesthetic of The Thing mixed with Lovecraft in ways that Duskmourn wishes it could do.>>93921036Then why not do a close up shot of the subject in the greenhouse? Show, not telling, that face twisted in pain and joy. Show a root digging into the flesh. Where the art is actually unsettling. Where the flavor text could be shortened down to>He could feel himself becoming one with the woods.
>>93921085That said, them having alien motifs doesn't really make sense diegetically, unless it's explicitly tapping into pre-House fears of alien abduction, which, I mean, I guess it could be?
>>93920484>707.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by "as . . . enters" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, counters, and stickers are not copied. Rite of Replication copies the cost.
>>93921143>Weirded Vampire>not a Vampire Weird
>>93921143I agree the art could be better, but the low low threshold of being clear it represents a horror theme was crossed. The "is this horror" threshold is pretty easily passed for most if not all cards in this set, especially if you're cracking boosters and seeing everything in context.I agree with you that the direction is lazy and uninspired and unscary. I just don't think accusation that cards being off-flavour is the case. The flavour itself is shit to be sure, like dungeon crawling in a wheelchair, but they definitely did deliver the shit.
>>93921143>it wasn't shy about mixing more modern pieces of horror that actually fitIt didn't fit, is the point. Even just "victiorian and early medieval" is two completely different things separated by over a thousand years, a mad scientist should not be sharing the same space as villagers who look like they haven't figured out steel yet. People obviously enjoyed Innistrad, I did too. I'm just saying it seems hypocritical to get mad about Duskmourn having inconsistencies while loving Innistrad despite or even because of the inconsistencies.
>>93920638>AnteBased>Black lotus>Time walkReasonable at the time when card games were not a thing>No deckbuilding restrictions Not a bad thing. Adding extra rules early on may have hurt magic>Artifact Not bad just not great
>>93921077It's one thing to have an irrational fear, it's another thing for that fear to look like nothing that exists in your own world in order to be a reference to a goofy alien design in our world.
>>93921167That wasn't what I was talking about
>>93920945>>93920977https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5403010#paperhttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5413027#paperthe deck is a bit old by now, not counting the lists before scamp got printed in ONE
>>93921214I also criticized Innistrad for having machines powered by electricity in order to do a Frankenstein reference in their movie monster set.
>>93921217>implying anything like zeta reticulans exist in our world
>>93921143>>93921214Forgot to add, labman could easily get reprinted unchanged even in the space opera set without looking out of place. Literally just swap out the set symbol, you can keep the art and flavor text. That's how generic it is.
>>93921252If they actually existed in our world, they wouldn't be a "goofy alien design", would they?
>>93921225Oh fuck yeah, thanks for sharing. Some cool options there.
>>93921251Fair enough, at least you're not hypocritical about it. But that's far from the only example, there's a bunch of cards where they clearly just wanted to make a reference and didn't care that much about it meshing with the rest of the plane. I was half expecting a creepy doll reprint in DSK, it fits right in. I don't know if it's nostalgia or something else, but a lot of people seem to hold OG Innistrad on a pedestal and conveniently ignore that a lot of their criticisms for more modern sets also apply to it.
>>93921275They're a product of someone's imagination in that world just like in ours.
>>93921214The worst thing about Innistrad's mad scientists is that each time we returned to Innistrad they were still there and their labs were not seized and razed and they were executed. Actually that was the problem with everything on Innistrad. You could believe there was a balance before (the monsters kept to themselves for the most part away from humanity) and Avacyn's absence destabilized the setting but once she came back she should have been utterly cleansing entire communities of every horror in a day as she is functionally a god. The vampire families and werewolf tribes should have totally and utterly retreated to the far wilderness; the ocean should have been totally cleansed of the undead.It really should have just been Geralf and Ludivec and Gisa who survived representing the zombie tribe. The vampire families could keep their strongholds as they would take too long to clear immediately. The vampires themselves probably should have written to Thraben pointing out that some weird shit was going on.
>>93921216Ante was such a dumb idea it created the YGO anime's premise where the "best" player is a billionaire with a stranglehold on the game who aggressively prevents anyone else from getting cards that could compete with him.Artifact is arguably the worst card game to ever be published by a major company in the last 10 years. This is not an exaggeration it was really just that atrocious.
>Richard Garfield shit an stinky shit>Ooooooh what an awesome stinky shitGet over it faggots, that retard did things very very wrong even if you like him so much.
>>93921336>Ante was such a dumb idea it created the YGO anime'slol who cares
>>93921336>Ante was such a dumb ideaThe game is FAR more exciting with ante.
>>93921356Yeah the game's also more exciting if a saw cuts off your legs when you lose that doesn't make it good design.
>>93921359>Yeah the game's also more exciting if a saw cuts off your legs when you lose that doesn't make it good design.tbhfam that sounds like great design to me.
>>93921327I think Sorin gave Avacyn some condition where she got stronger as humanity got weaker, and vice versa. So the more she drove back the monsters, the weaker she'd become. Hence why in Shadows things got dire, because her attacking humans meant that she got stronger for every success.
>>93921318And they just so happen to look exactly like a meme alien that is also known for abduction in our world? Even if you can provide a rock solid reason for it to look like that, WotC didn't bother to explain it and it looks like a really dumb reference to irl pop culture.
wasn't the original goal of sld to bring needed reprints without having to shove it in a set? why have they shifted course to printing chaff with a picture of goku on it?
>>93921379>looks like a really dumb reference to irl pop cultureThat's the whole point of the set.
>>93921385Mark's people are well known for lying to get their foot in the door and doing the opposite of what they promised while claiming it was your idea all along.
>>93921385Because if they reprint a good card it might devalue the secondary market. That's it.
>>93921379Space Opera set could very well have greys.
>>93921395And that's a BAD thing.
>>93921407I do wonder if they'll just have all the aliens under the blanket Alien type or if they'll make a few unique types.
>>93921418For you.
>>93921419My hopes: they don't have an alien type at all, having humans be the default in a space opera setting is boring.Probable reality: a couple of specific alien types that get batched into an alien grouping.
>>93921445We already have an existing Alien type used on black-border cards from Unfinity and Doctor Who, and I'm pretty sure Mark's already... Basically confirmed that Alien will be in the set because why wouldn't it be. The real question is will they have a wide variety covered under an umbrella term, or how's that work. I wouldn't be surprised if they made one unique alien species that's more widespread and the rest are just Aliens.
We need a new format as soon as possible.
>>93921445They're already using Clown, Alien is a given.
>>93921419>>93921445If i see a a lot of humans in Space Opera i will be sad.
The issue between Innistrad and Duskmourne is as follows:Innistrad (Twins of Maurer Estate)- Reference to creepy twins from The Shining, with an actual Innistrad spin on them, they are vampires to fit the setting and are featured in a different framing- Flavour text is non referential- Subtle overall, but still a referenceDuskmourne (Unsettling Twins)- Uses the exact same framing as the scene from The Shining along with much more similar hair / clothing- No real attempt to make a reference through the lens of Duskmourne's setting other than the shadows- Flavour text is straight from the movie as wellThis is the difference between an expressive homage design and taking a baseball bat and hitting you in the head screaming "Did you get the reference yet?"
>>93921473>Foundations symbol is a proxy looking starHow very on the nose.
>>93921369I feel like you can't build a faith if your god-figure has to hold back from protecting humanity because some stupid balance was holding her back.It should have been that the vampires and werewolves had an agreement with Avacyn that they would not act out of line and disavow any members that preyed on humanity, permitting the angels to annihilate those who break the peace. This would have maintained the peace. And if the people bitched about this arrangement the angels would explain that it's not an easy task dragging humanity out of a subsidence existence and the angels themselves are limited in number. The vampire families could just exist in this perpetual state of gang war/Valhalla where all they do is eat (normal food), arts and crafts, drink, fuck, and fight just all day.
>>93921473hey thanks for saving my picunfortunately I don't expect pioneer 2 to happen until early 2029, which is when foundations is going to rotate from standard
>>93920477>claims to be a white player >openly commits heresy by associating with blue I cast thee as a heretic, sister.
>>93921519It's been a while since I read the story, but I don't think anyone except Sorin actually knew about that balance. Avacyn was always doing her best (before Emrakul) regardless of how powerful she was at the time, she was never intentionally holding back to empower herself.
>>93921520>5 more years of bullshitNoooooooooooooo
>>93921504I don't think the Maurer Estate Twins are really a Shining reference. Just a broader "creepy children/twins" trope. Unsettling Twins is more specific.
Alright, with Skeletons about as optimized as I can get it (It's probably far from perfect, but I'm retarded so someone else will need to fix up the rest.) it's on to the next brew!This one is much less of a custom brew, sadly. Yes, yes, I admit it, it's just Hammer Time. Okay not quite....I posted the Cacophony Scamp meme, and while I love stupid turn 2 gamble kills as much as the next guy, I also love consistency. The NEW BREW ALERT wasn't just a regular Pioneer Hammer Time variant.I think I've found a very comfy setup for Hammer Time that abuses a few potent pieces that the format has to offer. With that said, may I present you with...>Drumroll...>ratatatatatatatatatat....Hammer Cats!Hammer Time but with Cats.Recursive cats! Cats so nice you have to kill them twice! Which makes it Hammer Time but with a surprising amount of staying power, the Lifelink on Sacred Cat plus the obvious Shadowspear as backup gives the list huge potential to out-pace any and all aggro too.You heard me right, I'M THE RETARD COMING WITH THE SHITBREWS YOU FEAR.HAMMER.CATS.
>>93921504Unsettling Twins at least doesn't have another last words flavor text.
>>93921549Yeah, Avacyn never actually knew she was created until moments before Sorin killed her. She was just instilled with a desire to protect humanity and went with it.
>>93921519The angel faggotry has always been the problem with Innistrad. It should've been just monsters vs monsters with humans trying not to become food too often in the middle of their feuds.
>>93921549I mean sure it is what it is.It's just my preference that the vampires and werewolves and angels could actually come to some kind of agreement as sane sentient beings could rather than it being a magically enforced system. Like Avacyn could just spend all her time dealing with demons, who are unrepentant psychopathic cunts - the werewolves and vampires could agree to their extermination. The werewolves can live among nature and the vampires, who really don't want more competition just wouldn't grow their numbers.Like Innistrad could have been an incredibly peaceful place before Avacyn got locked up.
>>93921561don't lose all hope, because I could be wrongmy previous prediction model was something like this:>modern>gets announced in 2011>pioneer >gets announced in 2019>2019 - 2011 = 8 years>2019 + 8 = 2027the problem is that there wasn't any impactful event scheduled to happen in 2027 like MH1 getting introduced in 2019 and completely changing modem forever the new assumption is that foundations leaving standard in 2029 is going to be a big deal and people will want a place to play with their foundation cards, and by then pioneer might just have moved past it for whatever reason, so creating a new nonrotating format would make sense
I don't want more formats I want these retards to fix the existing ones.
>>93921504Now explain why Innistrad has >>93921301, when the idea of killer dolls didn't take off until TV and films in the 1900s.
>>93921679Sorin created Avacyn precisely because the vampires were overkilling humanity and about to starve themselves out. Vampires are mostly not reasonable on Innistrad.
>>93921579Can you do something else? Both hammer time and kemba hammer time already have people working on them in pioneer
>>93921707>least media literate anon over here
>>93921731>Can you do something else? Both hammer time and kemba hammer time already have people working on them in pioneerNo cat tribal hammer time deck is currently or has been worked in prior. All of them just use Kemba to equip itself with nothing else.
>>93921704The problem is that Standard and Pioneer are the only real formats left.Everything else is at the whim of direct-to and UB sets.It's beyond fixing.
What if Bolas trapped in the Meditation Realm learns about Valvagoth's trick about expanding the manor he can't escape from and then begins to expand the Meditation Realm aiming to engulf the whole multiverse?
>>93921747He's too busy getting filled with white mana to care about that.
>>93921747>What if Bolas trapped in the Meditation RealmWeird way to spell Ugin's Butthole...> then begins to expand the Meditation Realm aiming to engulf the whole multiverse?OwO
>>93921679It would've never worked, Innistrad vampires are specifically arrogant and treat humans like cattle, they were going to wipe out humanity and thus their food source before Sorin stepped in. Werewolves are specifically wild and uncontrollable, pretty much every story involving one is about how they go on a rampage when the moon is out. Spirits are similar, though I guess there's benevolent ones so maybe they could do something there. Zombies are the only realistic option since they're created and controlled by someone, but even then there's no guarantee they're rational especially since they're raising zombies in the first place.
>>93921570Just use a Delver of Secrets / Unsettling Twins comparison then, it is essentially the same issue. ISD references were through the lens of the actual setting, DSK references are literally just the original thing.
>Reidtard Duke unironically calling the new flash emperor “white card advantage”I can’t. It’s beyond a pathetic joke now. We’re at the point where these paint huffers actually think a flash blocker is fucking card advantage for White. As if there’s not a dozen removal spells in the other colors in the same goddamn set. Game over man, game over.
>>93921648What would humans defend themselves with in that case?
>>93921732Am I wrong? Where is the lie? Innistrad had plenty of shitty references to modern media as well.
>>93921753>>93921758You fuckers are the reason this joke is escaping /edhg/. Even the normies are starting to learn about this.
>>93921771This may shock you, but drawing cards isn't the only way to get card advantage.Flash + first strike + a hexproof anthem is, in fact, a great way to get card advantage.Also WHY THE FUCK IS WHITE GIVING HEXPROOF TO THINGS?!
>>93921778>You fuckers are the reason this joke is escaping /edhg/. Even the normies are starting to learn about this.Anon, it's literally a butthole.It's literally butthole mana.
>>93921704if they could do that we would still only have type 1 and type 2
>>93921799kek
>>93921776Magic? They had the right idea with the pagan god in Midnight Hunt, it should be a subtle presence that protects humanity in its darkest hours as the source of their magic, but that idea came too late and was poorly executed.
>>93921790>WHY THE FUCK IS WHITE GIVING HEXPROOF TO THINGS?!You really need to get over this
>>93921790This may shock you, but white has had flash creatures since fucking Lorwyn block, and it was never called card advantage. It’s a combat trick, and can easily be countered/killed like any draft bomb. You’re as delusional as him.>Hurr durr why is the color of protection protecting things???Holy shit.
>>93921842>Hurr durr why is the color of protection protecting things???Protection =/= hexproof.Blue and green give hexproof to protect things, not white. White gets Protection and Indestructible.
>>93921799There's an Ur-Dragon EDH player at my LGS and he unironically thinks Bolas is gay for Ugin probably because one of you fuckers spread this meme.
>>93921747For one, Ugin controls the Realm, not Bolas. For two, how could Bolas even do that when he's been so vastly reduced in power? Is that even a THING a plane like the Meditation Realm could do?
>>93921842>FTK isn't card advantage! It doesn't put you up one card against your opponent or anything!
>>93921855>There's an Ur-Dragon EDH player at my LGS and he unironically thinks Bolas is gay for Ugin probably because one of you fuckers spread this meme.You're welcome.
>>93921856>Ugin controls the realmNo, Ugin just trapped them both there, which is a key distinction. Neither of them "control" the realm it's just that they both (allegedly) spent tons of time there because only they knew about it.Not that it fucking matters if the writers want them back, they'll just come back with no real explanation.
>>93921851Flash blocker=/=Card advantageJOTC robbed white of Protection as a mechanic for years because of arbitrary reasons, so Hexproof is perfectly fine since Blue stole Vigilance.Go suck Nosewaters shriveled shekel snake.
>>93921891>Flash blocker=/=Card advantage>Flash in blocker>Block their thing>Their thing dies>I still have my thingThis is +1 card advantage.
>>93921866>Narrow damage removal is totes drawing me cards over my opponent!Holy fucking shit, lol
>>93921881No, he outright said it was his own plane. Given he became a Spirit Dragon by dying there and his essence sort of melding with it, he's pretty much in control of it now.
>New art with more of a rainbow motif than the actual conflux artHe's coming back, gayer than ever.
>>93921902>ignoring the fact that FTK single handedly moved the needle from old school creature design and value into the more modern era where creatures HAD to bring value to even justify being in decks at all
>>93921898Magical Christmas Land scenarios imply the opponent can bullshit theirs as well and simply counter or kill it before you get your imagined advantage.This doesn’t draw cards It doesn’t ScryYou’re embarrassing yourself kid
>>93921904Ugin's also a colossal useless asshole notorious for making shit up to try getting his way then when Jace called him on it (destroying the Eldrazi) nothing happened.
>>93921912>Ignoring the fact that FTK kills itself with no target Oh, so it’s RETARD Magical Christmas Land
>>93921930Eh, Ugin said "it was probably a bad idea", he doesn't usually ACTUALLY lie. He's just vague and tight-lipped for literally no reason.
>>93921930>Ugin's also a colossal useless assholehmmm
>>93921937BO1 Arena mentality at its finest. You don't know how to do anything other than vomit all of the cards from your hand onto the table each turn.
>>93921944He was written so poorly people were expecting him to be another villain and were left baffled when he wasn't.>>93921955GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
>>93921930>Ugin's also a colossal useless assholeReally makes you think.
>>93921970Were people expecting him to be a villain? I think people were just expecting him to be a sort of anti-Bolas, but instead he just kind of did nothing.
will the mechanics be dual-color or wedges to synergize with Tarkir?
>>93922003Probably running a bit of a gamut. Makes me wonder what mechanics Tarkir will have that synergise with current sets, because they've made some effort to broadly have synergies (Duskmourn synergises with WOE for example) in Standard. I guess face-down shit might return in Tarkir at least, but who knows, they might feel they've overdone it.
>>93920996>the invisible man>written by HG Welles in 1893>modernWOTC shills working in overdrive I see.
>>93915958How accessible is it to play mtgo on my phone?
>>93921998Yes, people were expecting him to be revealed as an even bigger baddie because he was trying really hard to not kill the Eldrazi but not explaining why nobody should do that, so people started thinking he was keeping them as a weapon.
>>93922074No, he's just a reclusive dumbass who refuses to explain anything even though he knows a lot.
>>93922050Legitimately a 0/10 the client is already prone to exploding on desktop.
>>93922080I'm not arguing over what he ended up being (useless), I'm just saying this is what people THOUGHT he was at the time because people refused to believe he was written that poorly.
>>93922031I said more modern. Why would something from 1893 fit in the same plane as someone manning a crossbow on a wall?
>>93922003I'm 200% convinced i will hate this set.If you want to make an artifact matters set lets fucking return to Kaladesh WotC.
The death race set will actually have no vehicles in itScreencap this
>>93920960The real horror is that it doesn't look like an Elf at all. I'd argue my slop looks better than this.
Should i go to rerelease? I still havent decided.
>hey boss, for our gothic horror set should we show people with consistent levels of technology?>nah, just give them flamethrowers, those are cool
>>93922118I will not screencap this.
>>93922118it'd be kind of funny if they were trolling the whole time and the set came out with only mounts
>>93922104the set does primarily take place in kaladesh though
>>93922081Why is it so poorly made? I can run modern AAA games no problem and without my PC complaining, but i launch arena and my fans turn into wind turbines.
>>93922137>cringe flavorit's so over
>What I Played"Death Race" set>What I wantedRedline meets Need for Speed, but fantasy>What I GotCars 2 with Lightning McQueen
>>93922137flamethrowers are caveman-tier technology the only reason cavemen didn't use flamethrowers is because they didn't want to warp the rockthrowing meta
>>93922154WotC cutting corners everywhere possible.>Manufacturing>Writing>Artwork>Design QAand of course>Programming
>>93921738>No cat tribal hammer time deck is currently or has been worked in prior.somone did in the past, actuallyhttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5414388#paperbrimaz's price even went up quite a bit because of it
>>93921704>>93921746these. modern is just standard 2 but with more powercreeppioneer is what modern used to bepioneer could have been the format that gets direct sets for it (like horizons) when it was introduced and leave modern alone but no-one would have played that so they took the old format hostagenow if they ever make direct to pioneer after modern horizons all hope is lost because then there are just 3 standards
>>93922188Oh cool!I considered Brimaz but feel he's just too slow. Lots to consider with the brew, but I definitely feel the recursive cats is better overall than the pure speed setup.
>>93922162what else can you tell us about the future?
>>93922209>what else can you tell us about the future?MTG still sucks ass.
>>93922212>will
>hey boss, I know you wanted some lobotomy art for our gothic horror set, should it depict tools of that era?>nah, just throw in some stuff that looks like it came out of a B movie, but with extra spikes so people know it's spookyAnyone who can't acknowledge Innistrad had massive flavor failures is in complete denial.
>>93922232Innistrad had very consistent tech, Geralf's whole thing was a Frankenstein copy and had plenty of tech from that era.Overall I think they did a great job synthesizing different eras of pulp horror while sustaining a coherent aesthetic.
>>93922238I mean, say what you will about Duskmourn's aesthetic, but the tech IS consistent throughout. It just feels at-odds with the monsters. I dunno if the dissonance is intended, but hey.
>>93922278>I mean, say what you will about Duskmourn's aesthetic, but the tech IS consistent throughout.Ah yes, the consistency of...Television. And Baseball bat.I'd take inconsistent kino over consistent shit ANY. DAY.
>>93922162I think you forgot wacky racers the literal inspiration and why this set will be another MKM
>>93922286>A carved stick is technology
>>93922286Saying Innistrad is kino seems pretty bold anon. Specially after the two last sets of Innistrad
>Baseball.
>>93922299Werwolves were a fun tribal deckVampire Wedding had a ton of really pretty artStill Kino
>>93922299Hammerfilms block was kinoNotLovecraft was okayGay vampire marriage was gay
>>93922299All the spirits were kino.
>>93922430patrician even
>>93922238>Innistrad had very consistent techNo it fucking does not. Geralf's whole thing was Frankenstein, yes. That's written in 1818, I think set in 1700s. Creepy Doll is 1900s. The whole medieval thing people have going on is 1500s at the very latest, Gothic specifically is 1100s or so. Stained glass churches are like 1000s. Anons were pissing and shitting themselves at Capenna and nuKamigawa, yet you're fine with excusing Innistrad having anachronisms spanning centuries?
>>93922451
>>93921327Yeah I had the same issue with the setting where every card portrayed monster just slaughtering villages by the dozen while humans could never fight back. Yet I am to believe there are any humans on the plane at all by now is just silly
>>93922467Like here's some soldiers with melee weapons guarding a gate, and then there's dudes running around with flamethrowers. I wouldn't be so autistic about this if people could just admit they like or dislike these things based on vibes, instead of trying to cope about historical accuracy.
>>93921336Artifact was a good game at its core. The only reason why it died is because dota players are stupid tribalistic morons who will try to kill off any game that comes remotely close to endangering dota. Valve are working on a new game called Deadlock and dota players are trying to shitpost that game to death like they did with Artifact.
>>93922519You are VASTLY underestimating how horrible the game was to play when most proactive options boiled down to turn skips and your reactive options were... also turn skips.
>>93922519Are you seriously implying Artifact had any chance of killing off dota?
One of my wifes friends messaged her about bloomburrow because she liked the cute mice and now I have been roped into teaching this random woman how to play MTG in a cafe on sunday.
>>93922101Same reason why vampires based on Dracula would fit in the same plane. You illiterate jew.
>>93922519shartifact failed because it cost money upfront + no daily freebies, it was meant to be exactly like MTGO but modern audiences are too used to their sloppy slop
>>93916305>>93916420Cards don't have abilities in other zones unless specified, there's a reason Cards and Permanents are separate game objects. If "when this card is drawn" was relevant to the situation you're describing, it's text would be more similar to that of a Miracle spell without the cost.
>>93922748would be kinda funny if you brought 2 legacy decks and storm killed her on turn 1 over and over with complex interactions
>>93922003Is this a silver bordered set?
>>93922765I made a very shitty boros mouse deck from what I had on hand I think even Valiant might be too complicated an ability to start someone with though
>>93922817thats probably the socially well adjusted real human bean thing to do but I can't stop giggling at the thought of someone's first interaction with magic being some over the top bullshit deck full of busted magic cards
>>93922749>how dare you question the sloppy worldbuilding, you must consooooooom
>>93922137Greek fire was used in 400ish BC shill. You can't even be consistent in your complaints about innistrad versus duskmourne.
>>93922890First, greek fire in 400 BC was absolutely not shot out from a contraption like how the art depicts. Second, do you really think having something used in 400 BC fits the gothic horror theme well?
>>93922137Cool Spiritpunk Tech
>>93922003Kaladesh cards will be temur and have energy as the main mechanicrest i don't know
Battle - RaceEnergyLiving Metal
>>93923005Energy isn't super likely. Race Battles is a MAYBE, but I doubt it. Living Metal is probably gonna show up on a couple cards, but not a major mechanic.
>>93923005Energy will be reworked into fuel
>>93923005>>93923024We'll get our first Crew 0 vehicle, along with a host of alternate crew costs
>>93922765This but unironically
>>93923041>>93923055>fuel artifact tokens can be sacrificed to crew vehicles
>>93923090>Brothers War Two: Even More Cards Based Around Tokens You'll Never UseOh noOh dear god no
NO MORE NEW ARTIFACT TOKENS GOD DAMMIT NO
>>93923055If a vehicle has crew 0, does that mean you still have to tap a creature?
Based
These ideas are too cools and flavorful,in reality we will just get some lame "souped-up" keyword thats just an alt cast cost for vehicles.Car3mana 3/3, crew 1souped-up: 5mana, Car enters with 2 +1/+1 counters on it and has haste
>>93923149I mean, yes, obviously. It still has to have A number of creatures tapped.
>>93921468>not acorn legalGod I had no idea how shit unfinity had been.>>93921504Duskmourne was made with future secret lairs in mind. I bet that they would make an SL of the movie "The shining" if they managed to get the rights to do so.>>93921570Yeah, it is mostly a reference to creep children in horror movies (like Village of the Damned, Firestarter, The Bad Seed , Who Can Kill a Child? , Children of the Corn, etc) but having the two twin girls can be a reference to the shining. >>93921580They have a movie quote....>>93922118nah, you know they will put vehicles, but there will be no good vehicles.
>>93923165I wan't back the reverse kicker that was prototype
>>93923203>They have a movie quote....—Anon, last words
>>93922467>Creepy Doll is 1900sThere are old folklore about possessed dolls etc. And how the fuck is a thematic inspiration for theme = technology of the setting?Are you retarded?>>93922507>flamethrowersBasically a cheating artifact that simulates a spell.Weird science is ok in victorian style worlds.>>93922939Man... Ghotic period had lots of tech, stop being autistic, Innistrad is not Earth in middle age.
>>93919374>we wanna do horror>but not too much horror This is literally the death knell for design. Whenever I hear a similar statement in an interview, I know it can only get worse.>we wanna make a sequel to horror franchise>well some literal onions golems might frown at some of the sexual elements and blood/guts so we'll tone those down >oh no the established audience that wanted those things left! and the nu-audience didn't show up! Quick make it even MORE sanitized for the sequel because we have to make up sales!
All WotC has to do is make Return to Tarkir about all the major dragons convening and discovering that they're gay so we get a full set about them going through the mating process.
don't forget we're returning to lorwyn too
>>93923364>a full set about them going through the mating processhope they all get dragon std
>>93923251>There are old folklore about possessed dolls etcWhat are they, anon? Where are the folklore tales about possessed porcelain dolls? Because those were created in the 1800s. The technology clashes with the thematic inspiration, that's the whole point. If you wrote a fantasy story about Christopher Columbus finding the New World and it had modern sniper rifles, people would rightfully complain. And that time difference there is smaller than the differences in what Innistrad has.>Basically a cheating artifact that simulates a spell.So a magic flamethrower is fine, but a magic TV is not? It's just a cheating artifact that simulates scrying. Magic guns are fine too, because it's just simulating a spell, right?>Innistrad is not Earth in middle age.Then why the fuck do so many cards have tech at a level of the middle ages? Why are there Victorian era people right next to castle walls with mounted crossbows? Saying they have lots of tech means nothing, controlling fire and making wheels is tech as much as rocket ships and curing polio.
>>93923500Homophobia doesn't exist in the MtG universe anon. STDs would violate that.
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>>93923593Uh what about pozzed fags? Don't they deserve representation?
>>93923628The compromise will be that the STD does nothing to dragons but it turns other races into dragons so Sarkhan can finally live out his fantasy of getting SCALED.
/ccg/ is dead so fuck it posting it here
>>93923600I for one am excited for a return to Lorwyn I forgot what Lorwyn was and I'm not looking it up.
>>93923721looks fun
>>93923721Okay effect but I really don't want to try resolving more "random (permanent)" effects. They very quickly become a huge logistics issue.
>>93923721>sunless sea cardIf only Wizards was this based
>>93923721>>93923773Honestly at 2 mana do nothing 1/1, with 2 colors, you could just let it choose the target. It wouldn't be much stronger outside clown format, where it wouldn't matter much anyway because disgusting bullshit like Dockside exists there.
>>93923721Let's go
>>93923780It's any creature with a bounty counter just make some 1 drop bounty hunting pirates to curve out
Another one
>>93923897Needs flash.
>>93923897This is effectively a boardwipe. 4 mana is pretty undercosted for what it does, especially considering that Blue has a lot of cheap ways to return cards to its hand and you retain control of those creatures even if the enchantment is removed. Should add "for as long as you control ~" or "until ~ leaves the battlefield" at the end of the first line.
>>93923897This is better than Wrath at the same mv. If you won't compromise on the effect it would have to be like 8 mana.
>>93923972>>93923950>>93923924This better?
>>93923999Much better.
>>93923999>oh you're running Scute Swarm?>lmao
I don't think the wording is right, but it fits the meme better.
>>93924143Fuck, I realized it should've said reveal from hand.
New thread >>93924228>>93924228>>93924228
i wish 4chan archives weren't so sparse so i could see what you guys were talking about in ~2013https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1wvaqg/deathrite_shaman_banned_bitterblossom_and_wild/
>>93919004Forge.
