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Aha, I have stolen your "Butte Hold".
>>94207882>teleports behind uIT WAS A HOLOGRAM
HONOR THE DRAGON!!
>>94207872As for Thunderbolts, I like the ELH ones personally. What makes the Steiner ones cool?
In keeping with the thread theme, I will be honoring the Dragon tomorrow in an engagement against a pair of Davion lances. This isn't a campaign game, so Naginata gets to see the field.
>>94207900>all 4/5ssoulless
>>94207885You might kick my butte but you will never kick my heart.
>>94207900Spank those Fedrats with the fury of the ancestors!
>>94207905Naginata are a unit of regulars, not veterans. Also, I was already making compromises to fit all the mechs I wanted in the cap, no room for any pilot upgrades.>>94207915>wanting a bunch of scantily clad sweaty women to spank youNot my thing but you do you
>>94207897Flamers and PPC's mostly.
>>94207947realkistaklly some of them would be more or less skilled though
>>94207957Yes, but then we run into "no room for upgrades"Realistically, Heather, Rebecca, Meredeth, and Audrey should all be at least 3/4s, because they're veterans of the New Exford campaign I ran last year, but that'd take a lot more BV.
>>94207897It has a good ranged hole puncher and gets nastier as it closes in. Good armor, deleted the mg bomb. Its just a good solid tank.
>>94207266Reminder that due to the erosion of tech and industry by the end of the succession wars it was not uncommon for mechwariors to not even have cooling vests.In fact, when Greyson Carlyle laid eyes for the first time on the woman he would marry, all she was wearing were boots and a thong. She had come out of her mech and surrendered to Greyson because nothing gets a girl hotter than threatening to cook her alive with the man portable inferno SRM you're carrying.It's also worth mentioning that Clanners, at least among the warrior caste, have co-ed bathing facilities like in the Starship Troopers movies. Not only that, but pretty much every trueborn looses their virginity with a member of their Sibko. Their sibling company. The batch of test tube babies made from the same two Bloodnamed warriors. Yeah, Phelan was pretty grossed out when he learned that too.
Draconis Combine facts:>the bad guys of the entire setting>exchew medium mechs, their main heavy and light try to be mediums and fail>use PPCs because they are poor (Clans use PPCs because ours are better)>cry about "muh Turtle Bay" as though it were anything close to the atrocities they commit ever Saturday>required help from Davion, W*rden traitors and a man with actual psychic powers to have any chance of surviving the Clan Invasion>take credit for Bulldog anyway>left their greatest general to die on New Avalon
Are 2 CERPPCCs a decent bottle opener choice for a Dire Wolf?
>>94208030Cranky because you lost on Luthien again?
As goofy as the facial animations are you got some great meme material out of Leo Showers. Dudes full on grimacing through every word and giving his forehead a seizurrvy88e.
>>94208051>when Cobalt Star loses the fifth mad dog in battle in as many weeks
>>94208059I kneel
>>94208030Smoke Jaguar facts:>Nicholas Kerensky did not choose to join their Clan >Have the highest concentration of excessively melinated skin tones of all the Clans despite 200 years of genetic engineering to fix this problem>no longer exists
>>94208047>are multiples of one of the best guns in the game good?its alright
>>94208047>>94208078Best guns in the game not adjusted for battle value. When you take into account that they cost a shit ton they are still good but a lot more situational, a lot of light medium and heavy mechs are arguably ruined by taking a erppc and jacking up their BV massively
>>94207897Apart from Wolfs Dragoons, any other merc unit have unique mechs?
>>94208084This, the Adder Prime is more expensive than some IS assaults because it's toting a pair of CERPPCs
>>94208098The ELH have a couple unique variants like their Thunderbolt mentioned upthread. But uniqueness is pretty rare in BT, most manufacturers sell to multiple customers.
>>94208051>>94208063See his sadness and anger. This is two hundred years of hatred and anger boiling over from a man who has learned the Inner Sphere still exists, and yet there are some Clans who do not want to invade it.
>>94208099and it wouldnt even be that bad but it only sinks like 22 heat a turn so it can barely fire them both
>>94207897I only know the ELH from Calbeck, and only vaguely that since its an ancient meme.Redpill me on the ELH. How cool are they? How do they measure up in coolness to the Dragoons and Hounds? What makes them unique?
>>94208047Honestly, I've never been disappointed just taking config A on a direcwolf.
>>94208122The ELH are descendants of a Star League Defense Force unit who didn't depart with Kerensky and instead went mercenary. They maintain several SLDF traditions and are one of the larger merc units around.
>>94208122SLDF gone merc who still wear their old colors. Very competent force without getting into Mary Sue territory. Grudgingly respected even by the Clans as fellow SLDF successors. Their Thunderbolts have jump jets.
>>94208078>>94208084>>94208099>>94208126Even including the Capacitor?
Is there any point taking the Terra? Is it worth the price the faction needs/needed to capture and maintain it (like, CW and CJF losing fuckton of their army and resources)? Like, terracotta mechwarriors and mechs hidden inside the forbidden tomb of the Camerons that will make the ilKhan immortal and invincible?
>>94208122>Redpill me on the ELH. How cool are they? How do they measure up in coolness to the Dragoons and Hounds? What makes them unique?SLDF leftovers from the Exodus, older than the Dragoons and Hounds.
>>94208135I guess we're about to find out in IKEO, but I suspect the answer is no.
>>94208122Only merc unit that is justified in being as mary sue as they are.
>>94208098IIRC the Kell Hounds get their own model of Wolfhound.The Grey Death legion didn't have their own mechs, but the did have their own suit of battle armor.
>>94208135Taking Terra is a quasi-religious imperative similar to the historical Crusaders taking the Holy Land. They would have to spend enormous amounts of materiel and people and probably not hold onto it in the end.
>>94208122The most memorable thing about the ELH other than their stay behind SL origins like a dozen other units is their participation in Serpent and their subsequent guarding of the 2nd SL Embassy in the Homeworlds until the Reavings.Also the hilarious DA moment when they were guarding Hesperus and the factory workers shut the mountain doors in their faces, condemning them all to a brutal Falcon death.
>>94208135I mean, Terra and its surrounding worlds are THE most developed planets in human civilization. There's definitely a lot of pros to controlling that area, actually holding it should be such a hassle since you need to fight through the IS to get to it and piss off pretty much every major faction in the process. Taking it is one thing, holding it is another, and it really shouldn't be the "instawin forever" move that the Clans treat it as.
>>94208135Terra has the highest concentration of people and technology in human space.
>>94208143How so?
Using the old Unseen/Macross Valkyrie as a Wasp, yay or nay? And should I kitbash some tiny SRM2 onto the hip? Then again, the art has it on the right shoulder.
>>94208113He looks like hes either being tortured or fighting for his life on the shitter, not giving a speech to clan congress
>>94208142Well, at least they killed off Daoshen it seems
>>94208187As long as you like it, there's not reason you can't use the unseen, reseen, modern, japtech, or even the MWO design.
What is the point behind one-shot missile launchers, even the clanners have them despite being utterly worthless. A single SRM4 isnt killing anything without some lucky dice rolls
>>94207914
>>94208220It's pretty much just fluff, like mech scale rifles or other garbagio.
>>94208030Fact checked by TRUE born warriors
>>94208164They're an old SLDF unit that kept their shit. They're like the oldest and most prestigious merc unit in the Inner Sphere. Pretty big too. They're practically an institution by 3025.
>>94208237t. someone taking Wolf knot
>>94208135I mean you can see right now how well it's really gone for Wolf. The great houses are basically handling this the same way they handled the first star league and the Republic of the Sphere, that is the second something goes wrong they're gonna do nothing to help despite any treaties and such. They're literally on the third try at a star league and I don't think any political entity alive thinks it will go any better than the last tries.
>>94208256All of the innersphere will soon taste wolf cock starting with the misbegotten spawn that is the Capellan confederation
>>94208241Anything unique tactics wise?
>>94208209That's honestly a big W for the Cappies.
They just wanted to be left alone.
>>94208135
>>94208272Not that I know of, but I've never been interested much in mercs. I'm sure they have some SLDF traditions that they carry with them, I just don't know them.
Facing an IS lance with the Clans mechs; How many mechs should I use? Or will I just need to match the BV and it will be a balanced game?
>>94208279Weird that there were only 4 Periphery states when there were tons of refugees from the Age of War.Also weird that they wanted the Reunification War to be a big event when only the Taurians were even remotely a hard opponent.
>>94208133In my honest opinion, capacitors aren't worth it on Clan erppcs. 15 dmg will delete a head with a lucky shot, 2 cerppcs and a targeting computer is good enough. Pick a torso with the computer and if you haven't melted off half the mech you've scared the shit out of any pilot not drunk on his own hype. If that's what you want a Warhawk prime will do you.On the other hand, Dire Wolf A can fully clear the heat of 3 CLPLs and a Gause. You get the chance to fush fir headshots with thr Gauss, the -2 from the pulse and standard Clan Gunnery means you've got about a 50% chance to hit something at 20 hexes, less if it can get big movement modifiers or hide in forest hexes, but its going to take some work on your opponents part to make shots with those lasers impossible, and you've got nothing to loose by taking long shots.If some fast movers come running up on you you got two streak sixes to ruin their day. And if the streaks don't lock, that's heat you get to spend pulse lasering instead.
>>94208300Thee were some tiny ones, too. The big ones were just who could put up a fight.
>>94208291If you're doing Early Clan invasion when IS is still using basic tech, you should give them a three to one advantage on units and tonnage. Even post invasion when more IS mechs incorporate the newer tech, you should give a two to one advantage. The reason people still use tonnage/unit numbers/c-bill cost is simply that BV is a bit off. Some things cost more than they should, other things don't cost as much as they should. Basically, balance is thrva place Battletech struggles the most. Good players laugh about it even when they're the ones having the Butte held, skeevy players try to game the system on purpose.
>>94208291Any 2 Clan Omnis should be able to handle 4 IS shitbuckets.
>>94208362isn't that just because the default clan warrior is better than a default is pilot?
>>94208214Yeah, but I want style points.
>>94208153>it really shouldn't be the "instawin forever" move that the Clans treat it as.iirc, because it is the main objective of the entire clan way of life, theoretically the ilclan should be able to completely cut through all the autism and actually control all the clans, even dissolving them all into just one obedient mass. It's a century too late at this point, but if they had managed it during the original invasion, whoever because the Ilkhan of Ilkhans would be able to unilaterally control all clan activity and shut down all challenges to his rule just by saying so. The Ilkhan can refuse all challenges from everyone.But it's 315X and not 305X, most clanners who are not literally the Ilkhan are much less devoted to the original goal. It shouldn't shake out well, but it's pretty set in stone that it will anyway.
>>94208300There were only four that were put on the galactic map. The spaces between them is not some void of life, people just haven't formed map altering interstellar empires there. Single planet and even sub-single planet nations exist all over the periphery. They're called independent worlds typically, and they're completely irrelevant on the grand scale of true space nations.
>>94208393Its because many clan omnis can do the damage of 2 IS mechs in a single alpha from outside their opponents effective range
>>94208429I feel like that's a gross oversimplification of how combat happens and assumes cover and terrain don't exist.I accept your batchall and your bid of two omnimechs. I bid one lance of battlemechs and choose maps 3 and 4 as our battlefield.
>>94208444put your dick away it already got proven a while back that a Timber Wolf can solo an IS lance.
>>94208452link to the battle report
>>94208300There were probably a bunch of smaller ones like the Aurigan Coalition which is an example of one group the SLDF just kind of ran over with little resistance. Actual funny enough according to the source book the Aurigan's actually saw economic growth under the star league so I'd imagine most of the smaller nations did in general. Probably were less pissy about things compared to Rimworlds and Taurians.
>>94208257Unless they retcon the furthest reaches of the ilClan era its going to stand for at least a century. That's not too shabby for Spheroid powers and eons for the Clans.
>>94208300Bear in mind that during the age of war, almost all of what we call the inner sphere was considered the periphery. The whole thing kicked off with Skye and nearby planets being the most troublesome periphery colonies the Terran Alliance had ever failed to deal with, and that's not even halfway to the modern periphery. The height of the age of war still had primitive jumpships which could only jump 20 light years in one go, which is horrendously slow if you're beelining for the furthest reaches of unexplored space. Most of the age of war periphery is simply swallowed up by a great house before the star league even exists.
Post minisMaking progress on my Lyran Regular Atlas. Any tips for freehanding letters? I want to write WOTAN on the pauldron but even when its neat and legible it still looks off.
>>94208302I'm not going to use the Dire Wolf A, but thanks for the input on the PPCs.
>>94208576It was mentioned as an SLDF mech before most of the existing SLDF mechs were named at all, in the very first sourcebook that covered the Star League. Also there's a Wolverine II that was named in the same sentence written in 1988.
>>94208576That's what it was introduced as dummy
Are any of the LRM variants(other than Smoke) worth using? Are they fun?
>>94208576I'll be honest man, you shouldn't care about retcons that you don't even know about. If it was written before you became interested in the game, it's fine. Doubly so if it was written before you were born.
>>94208564hers my first model ever and one i painted a month ago next to it i do want to give that paint scheme another go though
Wonder what the Clanner Dragoons might have been thinking when they were downgrading the Annihilator as they infiltrate to the IS. Even the original Annihilator doesn't seems to be that impressive, especially in the Clans standard it must be unbearably slow for them
>>94208655I like to think they shoved that kludge into storage and just didn't use it until they could restore it to full power again.
>>94208027>when Greyson Carlyle laid eyes for the first time on the woman he would marry, all she was wearing were boots and a thong.This never happened. It's nowhere on Sarna. Your coomer fantasies aren't acceptable anymore gramps.
>>94208122>only know the ELH from CalbeckWhats a calbeck?
>>94208671>Sarna>absolute truth and accuracyPick one. They even fucked up how Takashi Kurita survived his Dropship sabotage assassination attempt.
>>94208678NTA but I assume Roy Calbeck, some furry degenerate.
>>94208455>link to the battle report>archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/92465096/#92465539Suck it.
My other son is a squid-base jumpships.
>>94208695>proceeds to leave out that the TW pilot was elite>the IS pilots weren't, and mostly piloted lights/mediums>used Shadowrun EDGE mechanic to circumvent the TW pilot getting raped by luck, which is what you're doing anyway but putting all your weight into one unitI'm not going to read all that bullshit. It's not even formatted like a proper report and is annoying as hell to follow. From what I read:>juggernaut plot armor TW with choice of battlespace vs 4 mediocre pilots in comparable BV resulted in 3 wins for TW and 1 tie>shock>hurr durr, my super queen with knight jump can rape three pawns and a black square bishop
>>94207307>Most mechwarriors are half, if not almost entirely, naked in their cockpits.Hegemony pilots are very consistently depicted wearing a coverall over their cooling gear though, so the lack of proper uniform is, more likely than not, a sign of the times rather than a technological necessity.
>>94208064>no longer existsFUCK THE COMBINE COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE UNDERGROUND
I'm going to paint a star of Smoke Jaguar now
>>94208630>Citation needed
>>94208740>proceeds to leave out that the TW pilot was elitewrong>the IS pilots weren't,wrong>mostly piloted lights/mediumsBV balanced scenario so it doesn't matter>even formatted like a proper report you're a faggot>annoying as hell to followyou're a faggot>TW with choice of battlespace vs 4 mediocre pilots in comparable BV>comparable BVthat is the only thing that matters, because that is FUCKING LITERALLY what BV is for. if the BV is equal, than you should see roughly equal results. especially in a series of challenges that the entire fucking thread agreed was not only BV balanced, but was representative of what the clanners would have actually faced in the fluff, instead of a gunline of 36 DVS-2 devastators for every single omnimech the clanners brought. in conclusion, kill yourself and rid the rest of us of your rampant faggotry. for everyone else who is too zoomer to have been here back in the old days of april of this year, here's the scenario in question.
>>94208810>posts screenshot proving me right on all accounts>ad hominemUh.. I accept your concession. I see you learned your debate tactics from leo showers.
So, gentlemen. I had a shitcunt ragequit in a game and throw my Catapult from the Game of Armoured Combat box at a wall which has snapped one of the LRM boxes off. I tried to buy a replacement off E-Bay but when it arrived it is a shit 3D print.Anyone know where I can get one? I know they're in blind boxes but that's the problem. I just want a CPLT.
>>94208810>if the BV is equal, than you should see roughly equal resultsIt wasn't BV balanced though. The IS forces had a 537 BV advantage. They should have won more often than the Clanner, not less.Granted, that only helps your argument and hurts this retard >>94208740, but still, it's important to be accurate when making the case for why anons should commit suicide. And I agree with your assessment. Anon really should kill themselves.
>>94208819Anon, a Clan elite pilot is 1/2 rated. What do you think the Timber Wolf pilot in the scenario is rated? Because you called him elite.
>>94208820>shitcunt broke my toyLooks like shitcunt needs to find you a new one. I'd also say, if you still have your pult, it'd be easy enough to fix. Just drill two holes and pin it. Still, guy owes you a new catapult.
>>94208820Pay better attention to your eBay purchase descriptions. Also, knife that fuck that threw your 'mech.
>>94208824Elite was an overstatement but the edge is a get out of jail free card at four times value.
>>94208806There's only one star league book printed in 88.
>>94208820The fact that you didn't shoot him dead on the spot is proof that all of you zoomer Battletech players are fucking pussies.
>>94208839The most I've ever seen is two guys get into a slap fight at a yugioh table and both were banned from the venue.Never seen anyone actually yeet another person's mini's. I figured people had enough respect for other people's stuff.
>>94208836A single point of edge is valued at 150 BV, doubling for each additional point (300 for the second, for a total of 450).The IS had a 537 BV advantage, which becomes a 387 point advantage once you cost for the point of edge. The total value of the scenario is about 3750, so even with the edge BV added back in, the IS have a 10% BV advantage. And if you bother to actually go back and read all the threads from back then, various people ended up running the scenario 7 total times. The IS won once, tied once, and lost 5 times. This is completely in line with what was posted >>94208452. A Timber Wolf is totally capable of soloing a representative IS invasion-era lance. Now, it's probably not capable of soloing a purpose-built lance made specifically to fuck up the Timber Wolf, fighting entirely on ground of the IS's choice, and employing all of the retcons that have happened since the clan invasion happened IRL. But that's a completely different set of circumstances, and frankly a completely dishonest one. Clan Omnis absolutely fuck up the IS forces that were available to face them in 1989. Cope, man.
>>94208634I have many times enjoyed the LOLs of someone with Swarm ammo taking out their own machines with it. In one game I was adjacent to a Mauler that fired both of them point blank, missing me and ripping his own head off in return. Fucking kek.iSwarms are better.Thunder is good if you have time to prep, Thunder-Augs are great at quickly getting usable fields out. Frag can be good if your local meta uses a lot of conventional infantry.Arsonists are going to love incendiary.But the long and the short of it is that most of these are niche and the only ones worth using are Artemis, NARC-compatible, or Semi-Guided munitions. If you can get them, go for Semi-Guided all the time.
>>94208806>Citation needed
>>94208671I'm not sure if you're meming or not but anon is right. The other infantry with Grayson immediately start going off about how they're going to have to search her because haha sexually assaulting the hot girl, amirite?
>>94208851I was at a historical war game convention and a boomer in an ACW get-up stabbed a guy with a bayonet because he called the boomer a farb.
>>94208671Pretty sure she was in a locust with no canopy having a mental breakdown because she saw an inferno launcher. And back when gds was written, mechwarriors were barely clothed beyond a helmet and cooling vest. I can't recall the exact excerpt, but I wouldn't think it odd for her to be barely clothed if she jumped out of the mech to escape the fire ricky bobbi style.
>>94208878Based. Bad social skills should be met with violence. Learn your places, trash.
>>94208833It claimed to be from a kickstarter box and had the right picture along with good user reviews. Upon arrival it is visibly 3D printed. >>94208828I was running a BT campaign as an extracurricular for kids at my school on sports afternoon and got a bunch of fucktards that hadn't signed up for anything who were assigned to me because there was space in my group. They were so fucking annoying that I was able to run them out after a month, but not before they made a whole bunch of other kids transfer to a different extracurricular just to get away from them. I'm not allowed to ask them or their parents to replace it and the school won't either because personal property is bought on site at the owner's own risk and blah blah blah.
>>94208851>Never seen anyone actually yeet another person's mini'sSame but I have seen someone yeet another player's d6 at a 40K tournament. It ricocheted off the wall and flew into a completely different guy's face and chipped one of his front teeth.
>>94208889>It claimed to be from a kickstarter box and had the right picture along with good user reviews. Upon arrival it is visibly 3D printed.Open a dispute, at least get your money back.
>>94208889>played games with stranger's kids using my toysDid you learn a valuable lesson? I figured a kid was involved somehow since you were looking to replace it yourself.In the future, you play with paper standins with unknowns that aren't offering their own stuff. The box included standins you could have used.Again tho, assuming it's not shattered and is just a broken box, it's totally fixable.
>>94208671You're right, they were slippers, not boots.
>>94208896>D6 ricochet and chipped a bystander's toothWhat was the thing made of. Damn.I could totally see that as one chucklefuck durping friendly with another chucklefuck and it not even being out of anger. Literal look-what-i-can-do behavior and someone got hurt.
>>94208914It was a metal d6 that the owner was using for FNP rolls for his Plague Marines. His opponent got angry, grabbed it off the table, and threw it. Victim was a guy playing at another table entirely. Tournament organizer dq'd the thrower and kicked him out of the store.
>>94208906The group was supposed to be like 15 decent kids who I knew were nerds and respectful from various classes I was teaching.I then had over a dozen shit cunts dropped on me at the last second, who I was literally not allowed to say no to, with a game in progress because the deputy showed up with them in tow twenty minutes into the period.I didn't want them there but short of packing up the game entirely and ruining it for the good ones there wasn't anything I could do. I could tell by the way they were behaving that they were going to be shitmerkins of the highest order, but procedurally I had to wait and let them fuck up before I could fuck them off. They're such asshats that they are banned from literally all the external extracurriculars (swimming, boating, archery, bike riding, ninja warrior course etc) and virtually all the on-site ones due to priors but until their behaviour gets them bounced from every single extracurricular they just get cycled from one group to the next.All I want to know is if there is an actual seller that sells a legitimate replacement so I can get a new one to replace my damaged 'Mech. In the long term I can just kitbash it into a K2 but I want a replacement LRMapult for the boxed set.The box is broken off and we were not able to find it. It must have
>>94208912God I miss old BT writing.
>>94208929Fuck I'd give you one but I already put paint on it. Mu usual eBay guy is tapped out on Catapults, too.
>>94208925>dg'd and ejectedAs he should be. The fuck makes people think sperging out is appropriate or will even benefit them in any way? He yeeted a metal projectile and broke someone's tooth. He better be hoping the guy didn't file a police report. Can't imagine having to call my mom from a holding cell cuz I lost my manbaby marbles at the toy soldiers game.
>>94208912If this is actually canon, why isn't there any fan art of this, or any rule 34 of her? Typing up something in a word processor and screenshotting it doesn't make it canon.
>>94208958There is, they just don't show it to you because they know what you're like.
>>94208947The guy who got hit was a vet. He just laughed it off and said he was glad that at least it wasn't one of the Nurgle guy's metal Obliterators. VA fixed his tooth no questions asked. I don't know if that other guy ever came back, I was visiting the location for the tournament so I wasn't local.
>>94208929I'd just buy a new box, personally. All it means is you'll have more mini's to paint.Or if you have another lrm pult, you can create a playdoh mold of its appropriate box and just cast a replacement like our forefathers did. Honestly it sounds like a fun little opportunity to expand your hobbying skills.
>>94208958Coomer, pls go
>>94207872Where do you guys think the DLCs will lead us? Khan Jayden Ismiril. I went with the crusader ending first kinda disappointed they had to cuck us out of Luthien.
Greetings of utmost contempt, /tg/:I am Galaxy Commander Carl Macek of Clan Harmony Gold. In the name of the Pax Macross, and the Robotech Defense Force, I lay claim to this forum and all ideas contained within.What forces defend your IP?
>>94208958Fuck I wish I could write something as masterful as that scene
>>94208929From browsing sarna, it looks like your only options are the box set and a command lance variant with no lrms.I don't know if the salvage boxes have them at all since I've never bought one and don't know what their release tables are.
>>94209032I bid the entire Guardia di Finanza armed with incriminating documents linking you to the Sicilian Mafia.
>>94209027I mean that's what he should be but apparently he's a Hoyt since that dude offers to sponsor you.Definitely not Khan though. We know who they are following Luthien andTukayyid through to Bulldog and Serpent. He could be a Star Captain or something.You do get to fight at Luthien but it's kinda boring. I wanted to see the berserk charge of the Otomo and try to hunt for Hohiro or something but it wound up being a bit meh. The whole NO U TEH TYRANT thing made no sense since Jayden wanted to challenge Perez but knew he couldn't- Bloodnamed can refuse a Trial from unblooded warriors, and if he won he'd gust get conga lined for further challenges. He needed leverage and just when they were starting to cast of the shame of Turtle Bay someone else fucked it up on him. After Luthien he would have had the standing otherwise, since your Star actually succeeds at all their own jobs while also unfucking other situations.
>>94209032I bid "dismissed with prejudice” and the Big West settlement
>>94209032Someone should paint a Trinary of Clan Harmony Gold in Invid colors. I might do so when I clear my pile of shame.
>>94209063>>94209049Somebody should paint some Guardia Di Finanzia and IRS-themed mech forces.
>>94209052Anihilate Nova Cats fuck ups. I think Piranha will make DLC missions with other Clans since Jayden Story will be open ended. It would cost too much to continue his story with 2 different campaigns. It would be amazing tho.
>>94209088someone needs to teach this kid how to shave.
So a Fluid Gun is always a zero heat weapon, but does a Vehicle Flamer firing water or coolant still produce 3 heat?
>>94209092Irrelevant, Clanners don't wear gas masks.
>>94209094He just looks stupid. No scars. Peach fuzz beard. And he spent what, 3 years with that facial hair? If you can grow a beard, do so. If not, keep it clean. He's clearly trimming it to look like that. At least make it trailer trashy or something for the jokes. Just looks dumb.
>>94209113Fair points. I just wish you could design the character like how you could HBS BT.
>>94209088The bizarre choice to go WD instead of defecting to ComStar is the hitch. I get that they just wanted to be able to re-use assets for Luthien and all but they should have made it an actual branching story with you joining the Com Guard and serving as OpFor as Focht started preparing for the challenge, training some of the 5th Army.Then they could fight against the Jags on Tukayyid and in Bulldog or Serpent.WD don't do much after Luthien.
>>94209092What's wrong with shaving like the richest man on Earth?
>>94209122>HBS character customizationYou mean the agender bust with 5 camera angles and 3 lighting options? If anything, I wish I could just dump avatar images into a folder and choose from them like every other crpg in the last 10 years. I genuinely hated the hbs bt character portraits.
>>94208257first star league, duh.2nd star league is the anti clan onethird star league, the other one that fell apart4th star league is the word of blake5th star league is the republic, so the wolves are the 6th star league
>>94208354>balancing via tonnage is better than BVeven 50 year old grogs know this is retarded
>>94209138Nothing so deep, just a complexion and hair style changer would have sufficed.
>>94209156>balancing at allNarrative > balanceasymmetric objectives > deathmatch
>>94208929If you're just missing the lrm box, go to ironwind metals. Should cost you under 10 bucks total if you can't find an individual mech elsewhere.
>>94209123They could leave WD ending as is since their arc is done. Then continue Jaydens story with the crusaders as DLC and cannon ending.
>>94209123Dude. That's probably will be Liam DLC story.
I expect if they do another DLC, it'll either be Tukayyid, to hit the big highlight, or it'll be another Clan's POV on the early invasion.
>>94207872Imagine being an infantryman in battletech.
>>94209242It's got its ups and downs, I'm sure.
Okay so the big appeal of an omnimech is being able to swap out weapons almost anywhere, like on campaign. How much work actually goes into making a new template for a non omnimech? Obviously if it's something that's planned to manufactured in the hundreds it will take months or years making sure it's efficient and functional, but if you're a merc or some other guy who can swing techs customising, how long does it take to get the wiring and hardpoints swapped out? Weeks to months depending on skill? Is the only reason there aren't more established variants because most factions find what they wanted from something already existing or made one template and said good enough for hundreds of years?I assume the realistic explanation is reducing the amount of documentation and bloat for the actual game.
>>94209249>ups and downsMostly for jump infantry
"Yeah I did. And they deserve it."
>>94209259There are times listed for how long all repairs take. General rule is most of them are a matter of hours, but omnimechs can swap parts out in minutes
>>94209264>does it again like 3 more times>>94209242As long as your enemy didn't bring artillery you'll probably live longer than 3 days
>>94209269That fast? I figured it was a real spaghetti of wiring and re-working compartments to fit different systems. I honestly feel like that lessens the awe of an omnimech if that advantage is so much slimmer.
>>94209264By aiding terrorists the civilians were begging for it.
>>94209269I'm pretty sure it takes more than a few hours to swap components on a mech if you're doing a non-standard refit.
>>94208860>Snow disappearingAnd that's a good thing
>>94209259There are more variants than we as players are shown, but not everything is fully documented. Many of the variants are likely very similar to existing ones, but with parts sourced elsewhere, and aside from a couple of showcase examples just to demonstrate the idea, there's no real point to having them take up TRO space.The TROs themselves are in-universe documents, they've got knowledge gaps and intentional omissions for space or politics.
>>94209288If you have a refit kit, it's easy, because that includes full documentation and all the replacement parts including random nuts, bolts, brackets, etc.If you don't have a kit, then you're cludging it with whatever your techs can weld together and there's a chance it will go wrong and leave you with fucked up performance.
>>94209259Depends on what you're swapping. Replacing one weapon with another of the same kind (for example replacing AC/10 with LBX-10 or a medium laser with MPL) is quite fast and can be done in a few hours in the mech bay. Swapping a weapon with a different one (like an AC with a laser) will take longer, and things like engine and structure alterations may take days and require facilities beyond your typical mech bay.
>>94209264I know it's not canon (until/unless it is) but the way the game made it explicit that the Jags gave precisely zero fucks about the atrocities he committed in terms of morality, logistics, or leadership and only demoted him one step because he was bad for their image among other Clans.Precisely the kind of face-saving bullshit they were doing throughout the Invasion.
>>94207882Looks like you stole the subject line too
How common is IS battle armor? How long does it take for all the big names to start using it?
>>94209338>few hoursI really doubt it's going to take just a few hours to come up with custom mounts, fabricate those mounts, get the main fire control computer wired to the gun, get the gun's code to talk to the fire control computer, design new ammunition stowage racks, fabricate those racks, and then get it working with the existing ammunition handling systems in the mech. That's a fuck load of work, and that's not even getting it to work correctly.You know none of these components are standardized, right? AC/5 or whatever is just a rough measure of how much armor the takes off. The AC/5 on the Marauder fires a three round burst of 120mm projectiles while the one on the Shadow Hawk are 80mm. It's the same, non-standardized situation with all the ACs, LBXs, UACs, and more.There's a reason customs are few and far between in universe.
So how much of Aidan/Trent ripoff was the MW5C?
>>94209093A flamer isn't a flamethrower. It's venting plasma from the fusion engine.
>>94209424It's my understanding that in universe field refits and hackjobs are actually fairly common; and the entire campaign rules regarding the maintenance and condition of mechs is to account for it.The reason customs are so uncommon is because the time and resources necessary to build out a one-off machine that works as reliably as a fresh off the line production machine is staggering. Conversely, while you can't just swap out the PPCs from one mech into another like you're installing a fridge in a condo, the fact is that with a couple dozen hours and a sufficiently motivated mechtech crew, you could make it happen.Omnipods just make it so it is, in fact, just as easy as replacing a fridge; though I'll admit I didn't read the Techmanual closely enough: Do omnipod replacement times assume that an uninstalled pod is 'prepared' with the loadout to slot into a mech to get it reoutfitted, or does it make it so trading things around in pod space is drag-and-drop enough to put together any valid loadout in the same time? A clan's resources and logistics seem to make the first rather plausible (with the technician caste reloading, refitting and repairing the pods to replace into mechs coming back from battle) but if it works like the second it's even more incredible in function.
>>94209419The IS really hit the ground running when it comes to battle armor. The earliest model was literally ready for battle in 3050 and actually in battle by late 3051, and while shitty, the follow-up Inner Sphere Standard and a number of functional clones were running in all IS militaries by 3052. After that, there was a rapid explosion of suit designs including some that rivaled Elementals. Even early on, the IS was collectively able to produce way more suits than they could actually use, with a bottleneck of trained meatheads to use them.
>>94209450Vehicle Flamers are flamethrowers and use liquid fuel. They can also shoot liquids without them being ignited.
>>94209466Omnipods have a universal coupling design, and omnimechs have hookups for all possible pod needs in all possible locations. It's been depicted as a sort of combi-plug with all kinds of hookups on the mech side and whatever is actually needed on the pod side.
>>94209259Someone should probably give you an actual answer with rules and stuff.For repairs, replacing an Omnipodded bit of equipment requires 30 minutes to remove it, and 30 minutes to install a new one. Have to remove 5 weapons and install 8 new ones? That's 6.5 hours of work. Incidentally applying a -4 modifier to your 2d6 roll to do it. Need to remove a damaged CLPL and replace it with 6 ERMLs (4 of them in a different location)? That's 3.5 hours and gets that -4 bonus.Replacing damaged normal weapons isn't really a lot worse. Each bit of equipment requires 120 minutes of time, so swapping out 5 critted-out medium lasers is 600 minutes (10 hours). So unless you're having to turn around a Mech in less than a day, the difference here isn't really big. However, this repair incurs a +1 *penalty*, for a total swing of 5 points on a 2d6 scale in terms of ease of actually getting the job done. So that's a pretty fucking serious bonus for OmniPods. But we aren't done.See, remember that damaged CLPL, and the idea to swap it out for an equal tonnage of ERMLs? Technically speaking, on a normal Mech, that isn't a repair. That's a *customization*, because you're changing the Mech's loadout. Customizations have a totally different set of modifiers, that apply after everything else. So if we had a totally identical situation, where we take a normal BattleMech with a CLPL and we swap it out for 6 ERMLs, 4 of which are in a different location because critical slots are a thing? After all the modifiers are applied for a "Class C refit", that *actually* takes 4,200 minutes (70 hours), and has a total difficulty modifier of +4.So what's the overall difference? Doing the exact same process, it looks like this:OmniMech swapping CLPL for 6 ERMLs>3.5 hours, -4 difficulty modifierNormal Mech swapping CLPL for 6 ERMLs>70 hours, +4 difficulty modifierThat's a *big* fucking difference.
>>94209485This exactly. Hence the question. I don't care if they do produce heat even when spraying water or coolant, I just want to know whether or not they do.
>>94209523I'd say people nearly always underestimate how difficult making custom mechs is in universe. Even if you do get it done it almost certainly will have various glitches, that shows up all the time in fiction. If refitting (especially in the field) was so easy you wouldn't need to bother with 8 different variants of the same battlemech
>>94209544doesn't matter, vehicles don't have to worry about heat
>>94209562They do, they just worry about it in construction instead of in play.But I'm pretty sure if you put a vee flamer on a mech, it does still generate heat RAW.
>>94209562>>94209567Vehicle flamers can be mounted on mechs. Vee flamers do not track their heat on vees. I am asking for their application when installed on mechs.
>>94209523Shut up namefag. Nobody cares what you have to say.
>>94209523And this is why a good astech is worth his weight in germanium.
>>94209523But does that only allow for the prefit configs that exist, or does it just mean that if the arm has "5 tons of pod space" I can just slap on an CLRM20, 5 ER mediums, 2 pulses and a machine gun, or whatever, with that -4 modifier and with it taking under ten hours of work?
>>94209647The second one. Configurations are just pre-approved arrangements.
>>94209647With Omnis, you can slap whatever you like in there with no penalty. With standards, the customization penalties apply.
Do you guys reuse your record sheets or do you toss them out after each game?
>>94209562What if they get hit with heat generating weapons?
>>94209666it's in total warfare
>>94209666They worry very briefly about the heat, and then all of their troubles are over.
>>94209649>>94209654So there is... Literally no benefit to a Battlemech over an Omnimech?
>>94209424Anon, on the FM/AM scale of "Fucking Magic/Actual Engineering", we all know where BT planted its fat ass.
>>94209696Significantly cheaper, for one. If you have economies of scale omnimechs become a niche tool.
>>94209696yes
>>94209696If you're tracking C-bills, which you probably are if you're caring about refit times, Battlemechs are 25% cheaper in list price. In BV, no, there's no benefit to being a standard mech. It's not part of being an Omni, but it turns out that every single IS omnimech also has an XL engine, so they do have that XL vulnerability to worry about. Not true for all Clan omnis, and Clan XLs are less of an issue. In BV-balanced skirmishes and not campaigns, the only actual advantage Omnis have is being able to carry battle armor.
>>94209696There's minor benefits, regular mechs are cheaper and are equally picky about all components, which is at least a consistent negative. Omnimechs lose their omni-ness if you alter any of their fixed equipment. They also can't use large ballistics and a forearm and hand, since the forearm and hand are pod mounted in the same big hole that big bullets move through. Regular mechs can have a hand and a big gun on the same arm.But mostly no, omnimechs are an improvement over regular mechs.
Hypothetical: Kick rules are changed to only allow mechs to kick the hex directly in front of them. Does this loss of flexibility compared to punches being able to hit all 3 hexes of the front arc make punches good enough to care about?
>>94209737Aren't punches already good enough to care about because failed punches don't cause PSR rolls to fall on your ass?
>>94209696Omni-capabilites massively increase the cost beyond the mere upfront price tag of the machine. You also need better pilots, a completely different regimental training regime, different tactical training, increased on-site support and security to switch omni configs when sensible, ect.They're great for Clanners and useful to merchenaries, but don't fit with how the succ state armies wage their wars on the strategic, tactical and doctrinal level.
>>94209660I plan to reuse sheets, then print new ones anyway, then eventually throw away the pile of scribbled on sheets when it gets messy enough to bother me.
>>94209660
>>94209746Not really. Kicking is always the better choice because double damage and -2 to hit.
>>94209156I never said it was better, I only pointed out there's issues with every method Battletech has to balance forces.
>>94209801Kicks only hit on the kick chart, which is very much not as good as the punch chart.
>>94209712Omnis are 1.25x more expensive than battlemechs. The inverse of which means battlemechs are not 25% cheaper but 1/1.25=20% cheaper.Lern2maffs
>>94209027DLC1 > Captain Jayden Hoyt > promotion scene shows he's back on Huntress > earn bloodname > Tukayyid > retreat and cliffhanger.DLC2 > Defense of Jaguar conquered territory > Bulldog and Serpent > branching paths either see Jayden make it back to Huntress for a final stand, or have a last cameo fight against Connor Sinclair and co.Thing is, I really can't see any compelling rationale to make DLCs for the Warden ending. He joined the deeply conflicted pseudo-mercs, yay. What else is there to do after that? If they created MW5C with the intention of retelling the story of the Clans in a modern format, the Warden path has the least to do with the overarching storyline. So the Crusader path has to be the canon one or at least the one that gets the most follow up content.
>>94209846As long as both sides are using the same number of and same types of units BV is mostly always going to be close enough that player skill and luck will make it a competitive match, barring one side taking something that the other side can't really deal with, typically player A taking units that can generate a load of TMM (the eternal 7 jumping pulse boat) while the other player loads up on 4/5 skill slow heavier mechs with no pulse lasers or precision AC ammo and then has their mech die to 15 damage in the rea when the mech has over 200 armor points. Even then the player with the heavy mechs usually only needs a couple lucky rolls to take out one or two of those mobile mechs.
>>94209431Not very.All Clan warriors are inculcated to want to win glory in honourable combat and try to prevent collateral damage. There were a few decent warriors in CSJ but they were so rare they always wound up on the shit pile and maxed out at Star Captain, which is exactly where Jayden finishes up. He wants to try and change things but he's starting to see his Clan is rotten to the core. If you stay with the Clan it's pretty clear that it was mostly due to the bond with Mia and wanting to do things the "right" way, which is to prove through honourable badassery that the Clan is wrong. He's gathering support for a tilt at the Hoyt bloodname (should be Ismaril but they DGAF about the whole matrilineal thing) and, after that, taking a shot at Perez.Odds are good this winds up pissing off saKhan Weaver who will send him to his death on Tukayyid.The one who actually rips Trent off the most is Ezra.>>94209712The Strider and Hauptmann have SFEs.>>94209759They do and they don't. Omnis have advantages at high concentration and low concentration but they are different.When you have enough of them, like front-line Clan formations, you can take an entire Cluster from skirmishing on a grassy plain to ready for an urban assault literally overnight. They vastly simplify repairs as well.At low concentrations, you can send a chassis to do a variety of jobs. Your Avatar is in a command lance? Config C. Your Avatar gets sent to an LRM lance? Config B. Urban assault Lance? Config A. You could reconfigure them for every battle, but why?The biggest issue is that we haven't really seen the kind of sensible design schema and holistic approach this should logically give you. Logically, Omni chassis should be as stripped back and flexible as possible (max out engine heat sinks, use Endo over Ferro if you are only mounting one, don't mount JJs, be sparing in the use of MASC and AES, etc) and then generating sensible chassis from that.
>>94209873Kick versus punch is always situational.No LA/Hand actuators and you can choose? Kick. It will hurt more and is more likely to hit.The leg is munted for armour and you are correctly positioned to get into the IS? Kick.You weigh 60+ tons and have TSM active? Punch twice and fish for head hits.You have already damaged the head and a punch will finish them? Punch.The real trick is to be able to spot good opportunities to push. The number of times I've sent someone plummeting off a cliff to their death because they forgot pushing was a thing...
>>94209759economics of scale, your timberwolf can quickly swap out omnipods and go hunting blue water ships with underwater torpedos, or swap to a config with ecm and an active probe for a scouting mission or with a bunch of long range autocannons for anti air support. One omnimech can do the jobs of 5 different battlemechs, just not at the same time
Oh you know battletech huh? Then you know who conner Rhys-Monroe is and what mech he piloted right?
>>94208838And what page number does the Atlas II appear on in the book?
>>94210009>>94210271The economics of scale don't work with training and logistics. Raising an army of Ramirez who can make effective use of every weapon and weapon combination you can stuff into an omnimech and operate in all scenarios and terrains does not have an economy of scale.Increasing the protection of your whole logistic train so that you can push them far enough forward to have pods and people at hand to use the capability to change loadouts in a time-sensitive manner does not have an economy of scale.Which is why I'm saying that it's useful for the Clans, who have elite training and safecon and for Mercs, who can only own and haul so many mechs while being asked to deal with an infinite number of battlefield scenarios based on limited access ot intelligence, but not for succ states.
>>94210361Even the House units have to do all sorts of shit with limited resources.
>>94209932So you think that we are fucked either way if Jayden goes full crusader? The devs have followed canon pretty faithfully but I do which we get some what ifs someday. What if the Clans weren't retards and stop tying their own hands. Because the entire campaign is you mitigating Jaguar Ls due to stupidity on the clan officers.
>>94210375They have an intelligence network and high command to rely on, which ensures that they're much less likely to be sent into completely lopsided engagements in the first place. With that background, you'd rather build your lances from standard mechs and train them to do the kind of jobs well that are within the capabilities of their fixed loadouts and use the money not wasted on omnis on a second lance.
How does a unit ethically use a Firestarter?
>>94210486By fighting Dracs
>>94210486>Ethical >Firestarter Pick one
>>94210486Clearing foliage and creating smoke screens for your unit while providing scouting.
>>94210486By customizing it so it isn't just a walking crime against infantry and can actually fight mechs.
>>94210486>fixed flamers on the omniIt is born to warcrime
>>94210361Houses would still benefit from omnimechs, but primarily for elite and special forces units. For regular regiments it makes more sense to have cheaper mechs than more expensive but customizable mechs since most of the time they'll just need generalist troopers and a few specialists like scouts and long range fire support to back them up.
>>94210486It's not a war crime if your mission briefing only states that you're to burn uniforms, but remains silent about the uniform's wearers.
>>94210486Make sure your enemy isn't human, like Dracs
>>94210673Hey. Dracs can sometimes be capable of intelligent thought, like that fellow Theodore. Now the Cappies on the other hand, burn away I say.
>>94209873Kicks have the distinct advantages of concentrating damage into one of two locations VERY fast, especially if you get into the side arc, where it’s 100% going to the corresponding leg. They also force PSRs and have a better chance of connecting, and taking a leg off is basically a death sentence for a mech. If it ever manages to get standing again it’s effectively reduced to a turret, and that’s if it can manage to avoid slipping and falling on its face repeatedly for the rest of the game. On the other hand, you risk falling if you do miss a kick, and you also forfeit the chance to whack a guy in the head up to twice in one turn with punches.
Shouldn't omnipods make mechs cheaper, not more expensive? They make working on them a breeze and load outs easy to swap.
>>94210728You need a lot of advanced tech to allow for the "plug and play" functionality. Omnimech gyroscope are designed to reconfigure themselves on the fly with configurations altering their center of gravity, and all the diagnostics and fire-control systems must likewise be able to recognize and interface with any pod-mounted weapons. It requires more complex hardware and software than just hardwiring the control systems for a weapon on a standard mech.
>>94210288
Do Clan Warriors utilize Mani Domini style cybernetic augmentations?I know they use things like limited neural implants, but seeing the huge edge it gave the Manei Domini in combat, I'd be surprised if they didn't see at least limited adoption amongst the Clans.
>>94210586Even for specops, the only real benefit is that you can rapidly slot zero g or underwater maneuver equipment in. Beyond that, those operators are even less likely to appreciate somebody fucking with their favourite gats.I guess the ability to organically transport BA is nice too. Everybody loves a lighter footprint after all.>>94210728Podding itself costs money, the astech isn't actually being paid for the hour and fucking around with the fixed equipment (which includes armour) of Omis is apparently more troublesome than it is on standards.Raw interchangability also peaked with the invasion era clan omnimechs, where actual limbs and arms were shared between many of the designs.
>>94210903They inject themselves with the Go Go Juice, which allows them to remote control their robot while mentally entering a higher dimension of combat.There was some talk about DA Ristars using cybernetics, but anything that's not an interface system only makes you not worse a pilot at best.
>>94210903They learned their lesson with protomechs.
>>94210324That's for me to know and you to do your own research on.But I'll quote half of the relevant sentence for you, to help you stay motivated>Henson spent the next half hour assisting the Techs
>>94210903Clanners use EI, which has more or less the same benefits as Blakist direct neural interface, with the added bonus of giving you late 90s CGI cartoon vision. But Clanners generally seem to dislike the use of cybernetics so you never see them go all-out with pain shunts, subdermal armor, and weaponized cyber-limbs like the MDs did. It has something to do with the Clanners' pride in their eugenics program: Clanners are supposed to be superior warriors because they've been literally bred for the job, so replacing your genetically superior flesh with cybernetics would mean admitting the eugenics program isn't good enough. If the same cybernetics produce the same result on a Clanner and a Spheroid (and worse, result in a superior performance to an unaugmented Clanner), then how are Clan warriors supposed to feel superior about themselves?
Is it supposed to be pronounced 'loo-theen'? I always thought it was 'loo-thi-en'.
>>94210728Easier if you have the tech and know how. There's a reason the IS didn't simply adapt the tech.
>>94211066It is. VAs are just morons reading from a 'prompter.
>>94211040That part doesn't even mention the Atlas II so I know you're bullshitting.
>>942104861.) Use it on nonhumans only, like Capellans or Dracs.2 ) Use one of the configs with token flamers purely to start obstructive fires when breaking contact as a scout.
>>94211119The last eight characters in that very sentence are Atlas II in that exact order.
>>94211066The pronunciation in MW5:C is all over the place. I don't think the VAs got very thorough direction or even many attempts at their line reads. Mia doesn't even have the same mic quality as everyone else.
>>94211142I'm sure you believe they are, anon
>>94211166>don't believe your lying eyesOh you silly little boy. I'm not spoonfeeding you that easily. At this rate you won't even get to read about the mysterious third mech mentioned in the sentence just after the Atlas II and Wolverine II.
>>94211184Oh no! I feel as though...I've not lost much not knowing what that mysterious third mech is
>>94211195You should learn to appreciate the little things. Not that that mech is particularly little.
>>94208122Ooh, back in the Star LeagueWe won some very famous victoriesWe're the Eridsni Light HorseEridani HorseDon't act like you don't seeNow we're trying to hold on to the pastIt's been so long, I don't think we're gonna lastI guess we'll just try to survive these fucking Clans'Cause we're more horse than a manOr more man than a horse?BattleTech!
>>94210728Yes. But really i think the main reason the IS doesn't really take to Omnis is because they're a band-aid the Clans designed specifically for themselves. They provide the most benefit if you only have a limited number of potential mechwarriors to work with, and need to eek out as much flexibility from them as you can. That's why the variants can be so drastically different, or seemingly overpowered, like giving a medium with jumpjets a Gauss Rifle. Any Clan Warrior might need to fill any role in a given unit, at any time, be that sniper or rusher or missle boat or whatever, and Omnis facilitate that by allowing Omnis to completely swap their armaments in literal minutes.The armies of the Great Houses don't need that flexibility when they have the numbers to have enough people fill those disparate roles. In fact, Omnis would probably be worse for them, because the Omnipods would just add to their already overtaxed and limited logistics trains. If you're having to move Omnipods in addition to regular mech parts and equipment, you're just adding to the general unwieldy-ness of the Great House militaries, which are already unwieldy.Like another anon said, Omnis make the most sense for the Great Houses as special forces units. But outfitting an entire military with Omnis would demand a median piloting quality that the IS frankly doesn't have.
>>94211204Alternatively people could just not act like lore elitists and help each other out. But I guess that's too much to ask for here
>>94211252Don't ask like a dingus and you won't get the run around.
>>94211258You'll get the runaround anyway so it really matters little how you ask
So does no one know about the vehicle flamers shooting water/coolant thing?
>>94211269Have you tried not asking like a dingus? It usually works for me.
>>94211270Tac Ops has rules for alternate ammo for V-flamers, IIRC. The original TRO entry for the coolant truck gave it a special rule that let it use its flamers to reduce instead of increase heat on the target, which got incorporated into TacOps.
>>94211300Yes and the result was the same. With more cursing and less condescension
>>94209712>it turns out that every single IS omnimech also has an XL engineStrider says ‘hi’
>>94210918>fucking around with the fixed equipment (which includes armour) of Omis is apparently more troublesome than it is on standardsThe restriction on armour modification always felt very arbitrary to me, being able to modify the armour (read: make it thinner without having to basically build an entire new battlemech) implies some level of modular design in how the armour plates are mounted to the structure, so why would omni-mechs with their emphasis on taking modularity to the max suddenly walk back on modularity in that one specific area?
>>94211314Thank you.
If you were forced to join a Wolf or Wolf related force, which would it be?>Clan Wolf>Wolf in Exile>Wolf's Dragoons>Steel Wolves>Fuck I probably Forgot some Wolves>How Long before the Wolf Empire leftover ditch Alaric>So many wolves. >I still probably missed one
>>94211327Just use a cicada instead of the limited pod space on the strider
>>94211340I mean, it is arbitrary. It's a facet of game design that they try to justify in-universe. Poorly I might add. If you're going to make something modular, you make tgw whole damn thing modular. The Omni gyro would be so good you would put in regular mechs, basically turning every new mech into an Omni. Modularity should help with maintenence, but most Omnis are described as Hanger Queens that require an inordinate amount of time service and maintain.At some point, you just have to nod your head and accept that it's a sci-fi setting that justifies a tabletop game. There's going to be some fiat and suspension of disbelief involved.
>>94211407I would choose suicide over any of those options.
>>94211407>Wolf related forcedoes whoever they're currently fighting count?
>>94211226>Like another anon said, Omnis make the most sense for the Great Houses as special forces units. But outfitting an entire military with Omnis would demand a median piloting quality that the IS frankly doesn't have.But Omni tech would be great for situations where manpower is limited, like colonization.
>>94211425They don’t really fill the same role, despite the strider building off the chassis. Like how an Owens is almost nothing like a Jenner, despite using it as a base.
>>94211598Okay how many new colonies are coming out of the Great Houses? How many are thinking about colonization after the Clan Invasion? Or the FCCW? Or the Jihad? Or the Dark Age?
>>94211407>If you were forced to join a Wolf or Wolf related force, which would it be?Damn, really depends. Honestly I guess>Steel Wolfbecause you're effectively a Clan Pirate whos just fucking around in republic space. After that my list I guess would be >Wolfs Dragoons both because of obvious fiat, but also because you can kind of be anything so long as you're good at it.>Wolves in Exile for similar reasons.>Clan Wolf >Then Wolf Empire
>>94211598>like colonization.Merchenaries were mentioned. Clans, specops and merchenaries are the only ones to truly profit and Clan and Mercs are the only ones to acutally make use of the tech. The Specops will just create their highly individualized loadouts and show off their wojack face whenever somebody suggest they change a thing about it.
>>94211457You have to think in universe who designed them. Clanners wouldn't give a shit about ease of maintainence since there would rarely be a situation where field repairs are happening. They were designed for ease of refits. Compared to IS mechs which fir a while were centuries old relics that had been used in month long campaigns where you might need to repair them in the field multiple times. Omni's are basically fancy tournament armor that requires a skilled blacksmith to deal with any dent, while an IS mech is your dads old suit that's seen hundreds of battles that you can repair with any scrap metal around.
>>94211611Judging by the maps, the Periphery states seem to be the ones doing the colonizing.
>>94211226>Like another anon said, Omnis make the most sense for the Great Houses as special forces units. But outfitting an entire military with Omnis would demand a median piloting quality that the IS frankly doesn't have.Especially because the houses are frequently using 'mech parts and tools and guns that are literally centuries old; they just can't "undo" shit, and fluff on mixed tech units like the Tinstar or DCMS units point to a lot of the nations having this consistent issue of "Well we CAN make X thing, but we can't make it work with our existing ammo/supplies/ect".
>>94211739I can almost picture the Lyrans wondering why they would replace the Griffin when basically every factory can push out parts for the thing. Even IS produced omni's would be too much of a logistical hassle for anything not special operations.
>>94209759Side note, but it also depends heavily on the configuration and preferred doctrine. Once they got over their ego a bit, the C3 equipped omni formations the Dracs used in the post-Clan Invasion era smoothed over a lot of these problems. In the ilClan era, the Cappies are fielding whole formations of the omni Vandal with boosted C3 to similar effect.
>>94208932wait, you like that writing? No wonder boomers can't do shit, you're all retarded.
>>94209123My take is that the WD ending becomes canon and we go back to MW5:mercs sandbox style in 3052+ IS taking contracts with various houses and running around the front line and slowly turning the tide.
>>94211800I liked that you could get away with writing that in a book aimed at teenagers and have it be published without getting cancelled.
>>94207417I love this crazy mofo
The Prefect was an ammo-independent Republic of the Sphere BattleMech, designed specifically for guerrilla combat. With increasing legal tensions between the newborn Republic and military manufacturers who suffered heavy damage at the hands of Stone's Coalition during Operation SCOUR, Exarch Devlin Stone commissioned a new BattleMech intended to create jobs, bolster his military, and to stave off the worst of the lawsuits. While ultimately unsuccessful on the last count, the well-regarded Prefect would enter service with the public RAF as well as black ops units.Mandating a simple, fast and durable energy weapon design based on the guerrilla-style warfare he conducted in the early years of resistance to the Blakists, Stone was forced to make a number of concessions and include a more expensive Endo Steel chassis along with ferro-fibrous armor, as well as the more fragile Light Fusion Engine and XL Gyro in an attempt to win over the military-industrial complex.>Endo Steel chassis along with ferro-fibrous armor, as well as the more fragile Light Fusion Engine and XL GyroAt that point might as well give it ferro lam, all clan weaponary and an XXL engine Jesus
>>94211867Its always amused me that back in the 90s, the hobby in general had to fight hard against censorship from outside of it. Now we do it all willingly to ourselves. The meddling soccer moms of the 90s won, just not in the way they expected. Unless you're into conspiracy.
>>94211874I swear, the line devs decided to set up the Republic for failure in the most absurd way by giving them comically overwrought machines like this. It's honestly pretty frustrating, even though they could have fluffed it as "We saved the White Flame's engine manufacturer and we need a machine now, can we use this thing?" which would make more sense.>Even though the Prefect looks great.>Honestly it should be refitted for TSM also, give me a 70 tonner running 6/9 built to rip and tear you cowards
>>94211867>>94211905The purity police have moved to banning "Woke" because the entire goal was always to control sex and personal expression first, and then their identity politics second. It also doesn't help that they're all easy targets; your examples are just geek paperbacks from the 90s that anyone could spin into something gross and pervy, and my example is a confused kid trying to find out what they are. It's always been high school shit and who can publicly bully whom.
>>94208740>used Shadowrun EDGE mechanicEdge has been a mechanic since at least mechwarrior 2nd edition.I swear, between posts like this, people running events and making up bullshit rules which are already covered in the damn books, and seemingly 60% of players not even being aware of the basics of vehicle rules. Does anyone else read the fucking rulebooks or am I the autist to ends all autists?
>>94212124My feelings > your rules.
What makes the highlander so special when victors with gauss rifles exist?
>>94212024BT used to be reasonably mild on sex until Blick started writing about cyborg gorillas raping women though?
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>>94212206They are the bad guys, you understand that putting the bad guys in advantageous positions makes the eventual Davion victory even greater, right?
>>94212187>What makes the highlander so special when victors with gauss rifles exist?Those Victors have 60% the armor and lack an LRM20 they can use at range too. The only real "advantage" they have, other than BV, is a bump in speed; the Victor is really more of a Big Heavy depending on the era you play in.>>94211874Actually dude, >>94211955 here. I re-read the Prefect's TRO and it makes it clear that the 'mech is a creation partly by the MIC to keep money flowing and to stave off legal battles post Jihad, so it does make sense it's an overwrought thing with way too much special tech.
>>94212224Davions have been buck broken for 200 years retard. 20 years out of game. But I wouldn't expect you woke trannies to know the lore
>>94212206The Evil Lord has to be stronk before his Evil Castle gets collapsed on his head. That's standard storytelling.
>>94212271Trannies always make excuses for why trad white factions never win.
I'm so sick of false flags.
>>94212206What the fuck are you smoking, Kuritans and Liaos are still very much the bad guys. And the Kuritans are starting the part of the arc where Davion man heroically bests them.
>>94211340Because you can really only reduce the amount of armor and no one wants that on Clan omnis. Increasing armor requires a design which has no problems with its limb mobility if parts of it are now thicker, otherwise it has to be designed that way as a new model.What is not made entirely clear is whether omnipods are items within the chassis of the mech or constitute entire portions of the mech, such as the shared laser pod arms of Invasion era Clan omnis. If its the latter then changing the specs of these things should be much harder.
>>94212238On the back foot for 100 years at best, 3039 was a draw at worst, and we've gotten light and rotary autocannons since then, which is the biggest win.
They really need to make another game like shogo mobile armor division FOR BT where you play as a Mech pilot, And a infantry man. Fucking BT does not have the balls to show Mechs stomping infantry even tho old 90s game did.
>>94210486Against solhama infantry
>>94212197>BT used to be reasonably mild on sex until Blick started writing about cyborg gorillas raping women though?See and that's why the Wokes have a point; like when you get to the Dark Age bounty hunter Kamimori and his mutant cuck brother beating off while he violently kills women on their jumpship, you go "What the fuck am I reading" and ask if it's really adding anything to the plot. But if we're trying to make comparisons, that book wouldn't be reasonably expected to go into a school somewhere because it's a nerd book from a game series about giant robots apart of a series, not a single book about self-discovery; thus it's ignored because "Who's kid is gonna read this?" becomes a serious response.>>94212305>What is not made entirely clear is whether omnipods are items within the chassis of the mech or constitute entire portions of the mechLiterally depends on if you're talking tabletop or game. In Tabletop, omnipods are parts of a chassis that are attached like legos and then wrapped in the armor itself; but in MWO to make the omnis work, they went for the latter bit where every section is it's own specific "thing" and mechs can swap legs and torsoes as needed for game balance. Frankly, IRL the omni "section" idea is what would actually be realistic because then you'd attach a fresh arm and send your damaged one back for repair and replacement instead of trying to fix it in-field.>>94212238>buck brokenGoddamn he's dragging memes out from 3 years ago, that's almost prehistory now>>94212286>I'm so sick of false flags.Same, but the tourists have to do this just to keep the culture war alive. They have to make enemies out of every shadow they see.
So what is in store for recently promoted Star Captain Jayden Hoyt of the 362nd. No he won't die on Tukayiid or in Operation Bulldog he is too based for that.
>>94209113If you go into the graphics settings and maximize foliage it turns into a full beard
>>94212440Play as Jayden taking part in Tukaylid ending with his death. Then release a DLC playing as the spherioid that killed him and start operation bulldog.
>>94212289Kurita were always the setting heroes, only children and sheep think otherwise.
>>94209259the poo patrol
>>94210486Using incendiary weapons against enemy combatants in general is not a war crime, either in-universe or IRL. If they're a legal target for killing then setting them on fire is acceptable. The restrictions are if a legal target is in close proximity to non-legal targets, like you can't shoot a flamethrower at a soldier if by doing so you are inevitably going to drench non-combatants too. Burning down forests is frowned upon, but if said forest is concealing enemy troops or materiel than it is allowable. So you can't start a forest fire out of spite, or to create smoke cover, but you can start a forest fire if you reasonably believe enemy combatants are hiding in the forest or storing munitions there.The often repeated myth that certain weapons are only meant for targeting equipment, and you can get around targeting infantry by targeting their personal equipment like their weapons or LBE, is nonsense. I don't care if you learned that in the military, whoever told you that was wrong. 50 cal machine guns and flamethrowers are meant for killing people, and if they were not then a silly excuse like targeting their uniforms would not keep you from a war crime conviction. The FM for the Browning M2 specifically addresses this old bit of barracks bullshit. If an enemy needs killing then any weapon you have on hand is legal. STATES signatory to certain conventions won't manufacture or issue certain weapons or ammunition, but anything they DO issue is going to be OK to use on anyone not hors de combat.tl;dr Firestarters are only restricted in use against enemy infantry by how likely you think it is that you'll have to eject from your Firestarter in the presence of said enemy infantry.
>>94209259For non-omnimechs the speed at which new variants can come into existence is very similar to how quickly new war machines of the 20th & 21st century can develop.That is to say it’s highly variable depending upon what’s going on at that time. So for example during an interwar period R&D might be slow and focusing on just developing whole new classes of machines to fill projected battlefield roles. However during wartime, well the factories are already tooled to produce x chassis so it’s going to be faster and easier to augment the production line to produce variants, and as the war shifts and tactics evolve you could see dozens of variations come into existence in a shockingly short amount of time. For example the Sherman Tank had 7 different variations. And all were being produced as different commanders had different roles they needed it to fill.
>>94212124NTA but for edge it's probably because (unless it's hidden inside of another rule or section without an annotation in the index) it's not in or mentioned the main rule books* (Total warfare, BattleMech Manual, tactical Opps or interstellar Opps) it's in the RPG. it makes sense for new people to not know about a rule that's not even mentioned in the simplified, standard, and advanced rule books. as for tanks and other shit, tanks are just squat mechs that will eat shit and die when exposed to heat damage, so I don't know why some people find them complicated and are in dire need of those lame battlefield support cards.>*my copies that I used to check are not the most up to date versions of these books, only my BMM is physical and the rest are the scans from the archives, so if a newer edition of these rulebooks exist that have edge rules for CBT in them, then I'm wrong and please let me know, and give me a page number because I want to see if it's any different from the AToW book.
Why are all the default color schemes so fucking ugly in this game
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>>94212848that's because it's accurate to tabletopwhen you buy a model, it either comes in grey death legion, Iron Wind warriors, or Second Hand Irregulars. and if you don't like it you got to recolor it yourself.
>>94212766 this is why "smoke" rounds were invented. see, its 'smoke', not 'fire'...>now don't go looking into what is actually happening when we use 'smoke' rounds. nope. so siree, nothing to see here. move along.also. USA never signed no geneva conventions. they can do what they like.
>>94212848You just lack the Mardis Gras spirit.
>>94212824I agree with 99% of what you said anon, but the person I replied to made a stupid assumption without even searching on google, and therefore I reserve every right to call him out as dezgra
>>94212915The United States is absolutely a signatory of all geneva convention protocols through 1949 and select ones thereafter. You're exactly the kind of person his post was addressing.
>>94212958bullshit.
>>94212958I think the US isn't a signatory to the most recent incendiary weapon agreements, instead opting to boyscout promise not to use them UNLESS they estimate torching some fools will drastically reduce overall casualties, which is where some confusion can come from
>>94212903If their goal is to get people to purposefully recolor their mechs manually then that's pretty clever
>>94211611>>94211708>Judging by the maps, the Periphery states seem to be the ones doing the colonizing.And it's not a bad idea when the bigger powers start nuking shit indiscriminately...>>94211760>Even IS produced omni's would be too much of a logistical hassle for anything not special operations.I mean it wouldn't be after standardization...>>94212024>the entire goal was always to control sex and personal expression firstYep.>>94212197>BT used to be reasonably mild on sexWeren't the Clans brought in rather early?>>94212305>What is not made entirely clear is whether omnipods are items within the chassis of the mech or constitute entire portions of the mech, such as the shared laser pod arms of Invasion era Clan omnis. If its the latter then changing the specs of these things should be much harder....I thought it was both for logistical ease, allowing you to pop out damaged components without needing to tear the whole section apart.>>94212766>So you can't start a forest fire out of spite, or to create smoke coverThe fuck?
>>94213243Unintentionally funny if so. Razorfist painted his Star in Marik colors during his stream and it was hilarious seeing purple birb Omnis plodding along next to the canon Shroud Keshik paintjobs.
It's still funny to me that the new PIGgy production canonized clanners calling IS "spheroids"
>>94213331What else would they be calling them?
>>94213349sphiggers
>>94213352Oh you.
>>94212386You ever notice how you can start by whining about wokeshit, but if you say anything about how Asians are not white you instantly eat a ban and get your thread deleted? Interesting, that fact. Really Holds my Butte. [reddit space]Make sure you toe the line though, freethinker.
>>94213283>Weren't the Clans brought in rather early?We don't get graphical descriptions of clan shower sex parties, which is very unusual for the period.Instead, we get a magical german telling a kid about the clan way of the birds and the bees and leaving it up to him whether to countinue to teach the girl what exclusionary pair bonding is.
>>94208634Thunders absolutely rape light mechs. A single LRM-20 with thunder ammo allows you to dump 9 hexes of 10 damage each anywhere on the field. Most mechs can afford to gamble and cross the one hex to escape if you center it on top of them, but basically nothing wants to ever attempt the entire minefield. Two LRM carriers with thunder ammo makes anything under 45 tons shit itself in fear, especially if the terrain creates natural chokepoints. They're also a really good way for missile spamming mechs to spend the first couple of turns of combat while they're trying to move into position. Just carry a half or single ton of it before swapping to normal LRMs.Just be aware that if you absolutely spam the shit out of them, it slows the game to a crawl and your opponent might want to strangle you. So for the sake of the other person not calling you a nigger in public, only have one or two units using them.
>>94208655It was apparently intended to protect cities, not fight in open terrain. It only had to be fast enough to move down the street to where it was needed.
>>94209259Because you can't magic the parts out of nowhere and the places that make those parts are extremely limited and often well-guarded by the various factions. It doesn't matter how good your MechTechs are, they can't turn a pile of rolled steel into the infrastructure needed for a new hardpoint setup. You need an actual industry for that, and it is ridiculously fucking hard and expensive to build new industry without the weight of an entire nation's economy. Especially when those industries tend to get blown up by the enemies of said nation, or attract the attention of opportunists who invade the planet explicitly for said industry.
>>94213473>Thunders absolutely rape light mechsJump Jets.
>>94210903It's mostly just used to recover lost capability, like Trent's eye and arm.More than that and it starts to become an issue. The whole point of the Clan eugenics program is to produce the most genetically perfect Warriors (and it's working, because every Trueborn has to beat 1-3 combat vets to even get into the caste) but augmentations and drugs cause problems with that.There are cases of shitty, barely competent Warriors getting EI and then going on to win a Bloodname over actual Ristars because of the advantages it offers. At that point it's obvious they are a genetic dead-end and have taken out more promising candidates... but they also have a Bloodname now, so they go on to shit up the political landscape of the Clan and their genes are not included in the breeding program.
>>94212766That's cute, but this is the battletech universe where civilian centers are routinely nuked. I doubt anyone is gonna put some rando firestarter pilot on the stand, he would just get executed if captured.
>>94213620>this is the battletech universe where civilian centers are routinely nuked.Your interpretation of the battletech universe is extremely wrong. Nukes aren't commonplace in any part of the setting where people play. What you're saying is that bronze swords are commonplace in human warfare.
>>94209555Mechtechs that can actually build you a custom mech that won't shit out on you are rare and almost as expensive as the mech itself. The chance of you having one outside of elite organizations is really fucking low, because someone like Wolf's Dragoons or the GDL would happily pay them more than your entire company's yearly salary as a signing bonus.
>>94212779For a real-world example, look at the F-35. The people who actually know what they're talking about (as opposed to Pierre Sprey-level lying shitbags who were actually, literally paid by Russia to claim otherwise or are relying on meme information like it veing outflown by an F-16 and not knowing the rest of the context- that it was in a rate-limited flight test with its avionics and flight control software hobbled because said test was part of refining its flight profile) say that it's the most insanely dominant fighter in the world. There's one fighter that's better at A2A and nothing even close for ground support.Sure, it's more finicky than other fighters. But with the sole exception of air supremacy where the Raptor is maybe a little better since it has that as its one job, and the F-35 is way more friendly from a logistics and maintenance standpoint than it is, the F-35 does everything better than any existing fighter, all in one package, with modularity for different missions.As a result, everyone wants them and everyone who can't get them is sitting their pants.
>>94213620>I doubt anyone is gonna put some rando firestarter pilot on the stand, he would just get executed if captured.You even got a tl;dr and you still failed the task. What constitutes a legal war crime and what will get you summarily executed by angry enemy soldiers who have survived the terror of the awful things you were recently doing to them are two different things.
>>94212942that's reasonable, ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for shit flinging and making an ass of yourself, or whatever the saying goes.
>>94213283>So you can't start a forest fire out of spite, or to create smoke cover>The fuck?It's considered unnecessary damage to the environment. See: Russia dumping toxic waste into major rivers because it goes to Ukraine's water supply.
>>94213790>It's considered unnecessary damage to the environment.I mean that's still a stretch, how are they going to prosecute you on deliberately starting a forest fire?
>>94213812They can't. It's a crime, but not one they will crucify you for. Like going ten over the speed limit.
>>94213747Sorry I didn't read past the first boring paragraph where you were quoting the 'laws of war' like they mean anything. Hardly a tl;dr.
>>94213847>It's a crimeI mean it's not if you can't prosecute for it...>Like going ten over the speed limit.And it's only 5 miles over the speed limit. I think specifically because more than that is enough to prove you were deliberately speeding instead of simply accelerating for whatever reason.
>>94213697I don't have any interest past tukayyid, so nukes are commonplace to me. If your interest is the bleeding edge weirdo stuff that's fine, but don't act like you're the majority.
>>94213884Nukes had been used literally one time in almost 200 years when Tukayidd rolled around. Turtle Bay was literally the first mass destruction event in war since the second succession war that ended in the 2800s.
>>94213884NTA. He is the majority, and you're still wrong. Nukes aren't commonplace. They weren't commonplace for 150 years before Tukayyid. You're flatly wrong. And a faggot, to boot.
>>94208648Anon why are your mechs standing on a block of cheese in your refrigerator?
>>94213942he's cooling them down dumbass, do you know how hot those things run? the cheese is for flavor
>>94213620>That's cute, but this is the battletech universe where civilian centers are routinely nuked.The only WMD that sees regular deployment are mechs, and those usually adher to a gentlemen's agreement on taking the fight to the sandbar.
>>94213942>>94208648
>>94213942Using a refrigerator for minis photos is an old trick for when you don't own a light box. Modern refrigerators have good all-around light that's usually also not colored light (ie, not a yellow tone).The cheese is probably just because they're Clan Mechs; there's three pieces of cheese in that photo, creating a pleasant balance.
>>94213871>I didn't readIf you're going to sit and talk at the big people table then you need to pay attention, otherwise you need to go back to the kids table and finish your meal or go play outside.
Has anyone noticed that, despite being the long-suffering punching bag of the inner sphere, the cappellan confederation do build some damn good mechs. Considering that both the Vindicator and Thunderbolt are originally cappellan designs.
Clan Blood Spirit seems like they had a nice doctrine for mech design, focused on cost effectiveness, survivability, consistency of firepower, etc. Blood Kite, Crimson Langur and Stooping Hawk are all nice practical mechs (and all with either rugged or easy to maintain, or both!), Crimson Hawk is okay, the Morrigu' is a nice tank. If some Blood Spirit scientists and techs had survived the Wars of Reaving they'd be my top pick for a group to make clan-tech mechs for a periphery state / mercenary group because of their experience with designing for scarcity / to a budget. Plus I just love the way the Crimson Langur looks, beautiful little medium.
>>94213942I like cheese here have a falcon and its eggs
>>94213022That, and we aren't members of the World Court at the Hague.
>>94213723ok. post it's combat record. F-15 meanwhile...
>>94214256>F-15 meanwhile...is 50 years old.
>>94214272and has THE combat record. MEANWHILE, f-35 is glorified bombtruck, doing the same job as b-52 which is even older.
>>94213926Canonically nukes weren't even used at Turtle Bay. Sabre Cat just bombarded the city with NLs, NACs, and NPPCs until it was rubble.The game doesn't even show nukes, but the way the sequence is framed definitely implies it.
>>94214283believable at first, commendable for avoiding bringing up the A-10, but you overplayed your hand
>>94213697The 3rd Succession War era was the only lengthy amount of time that nukes *weren't* seen as routine and viable weapons.Age of War, Reunification War, Star League era, Amaris Civil War, first two Succession Wars, it was normal. And in the Clan invasion era and into the FCCW we started seeing it creep back in.
>>94214256There hasn't been a conflict worth using it in yet. Every time you deploy something there is a chance it will be shot down and keeping as much of the F-35's capabilities hidden as possible is wise when existing assets can get the job done.The US has literally only been fighting shit-tier opponents for the past 20 years. You don't need a wonder weapon to beat a bunch of goat herders with Hilux technicals when even the utter excrement that was the A10 prior to its latest upgrade (ironically, with F-35 derived avionics) could get the job done.The moment the US has to fight a peer opponent you'll see how good they actually are. As it is they are recording K/D ratios in excess of 20:1 against the Eagle you're talking about.>>94214283F-35s obliterate anything but the Raptor in A2A, bring Growler-level EW capabilities with them, and can do ground strike/support/bombing better than anything else.
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>>94214404>As it is they are recording K/D ratios in excess of 20:1 against the Eagle you're talking about.In simulation, like how the Mackie dunked on 4 remote controlled Merkava...
>>94214119Now draw those eggs having a college education at the local mech academy.
>>94214456Against actual combat tested designs nearing or at the edge of their maximum performance.When actual Hornet, Eagle and Falcon pilots are saying "fuck this, gimme an F-35" for A2A you know it's a winner.
>>94209249Ups: the stray kick from a Locust scouting your position punts you a hundred feet in the airDowns: you fall a hundred feet into a Locust footprint
>>94209027How about an open mode where you can allow to climb the ranks of Clan, destroy factions and conquer Terra, declaring oneself as ilKhan.
>>94210009It doesn't matter which is the male parent and the female parent, since Scientist caste can put XY ovums and XX sperm in the tube. Matrilineal means the warrior who provided the ovum. Otherwise nobody would ever inherit a Kerensky/Ismaril/Osis/etc. bloodname.
>>94214101>practical.>blood kite.i dunno about that one chief, i don't even know how the fuck it walks with those weird defiance legs and sheer top heaviness.also you're sitting on top of a large weapon that produces a good deal of heat.
>>94215996That would be the dream DLC but I don't think Piranha would want to invest the amount of time to make this happen. I think the name Clans is intentional so that we can see other characters from other factions. Maybe we will get to play in Twycross. Tukayiid mission pack is certainly happening.
