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What’s your favorite Capellan ‘mech?
>>94234159Ravens always get a good chuckle out of me.
>>94234159Huron Warrior is fun in a goofy kind of way
>>94234159Is the Emperor affiliated with the CapCon?
So, is the Black Knight with sword forever exclusive to the Comstar?
>>94234159Honourable mention goes to the Vindicator.
>>94234245It appears in a TRO. TROs are in-universe publications. Any Mechwarrior with enough clout or cash can get a copy of a TRO and then tell his tech team to mod his black knight to match the TRO entry.
>>94234245Comstar, wobbies, and the hogs and later the republic of the sphere.
>>94234159The Pillager is one of my favorite mechs period
>>94234245Depends on who you want fielding it and when. Could reasonably be salvaged during the invasion and eventually resold to spheroids by the sharks.
>>94234159Lao Hu and Vindicator.
Where was the CJF's invasion window again? Only the Lyran side? No FRR territory touched at all?>I would like a merc band leader named Griffith defecting to the CJF (now riding the Griffin IIC) and the band's assault lance commander named Guts chasing him (now riding the Berseker); Was wondering if the band should have been based on the FRR or the Lyran before the defect
>>94234426>merc band leader named Griffith defecting to the CJFThe number of things in this statement that are flatly impossible if you care about the fluff at all, is immense.
>>94234433Defecting to the CJF is obvious nonsense but what's up with the name Griffith?
Which ones among the SLDF Royal mech would be evergreen?
>>94234577All of them unless there is a IIC model for it already. They're amongst the best in the game.>>94234426They only hit the Lyrans. A merc making it into the Warrior caste is almost impossible, it was hard enough for captured regulars to do it and the Falcons fucking *hate* mercs, especially after their run-ins with the GDL and Snord.
>>94234159Vindicator
When going from the AGoAC rulebook/introtech to Standard, how much does it become more complicated?
can someone post the book flowchart?my friend that has all my books and maps has become permanently disabled and I don't wanna take the books from him. thanks
>>94234735
>>94234159Does Catapult count? It's more common with Capellans than elsewhere. Of the Capellan-developed mechs, I've always like the Raven. Though Cataphract deserves a mention for actually being a very solid mech and having that "so ugly It's kind of cool" feel. It's just a rugged, functional machine does its job well enough.
>>94234159A destroyed Capellan mech
>>94234735Well what the hell is he using them for?
HONOR THE DRAGON!!
>>94235190Done.
>>94235312So gracious a guest you are. We shall return your kindness on Huntress in due course.
>>94235190
>"Yeah we have lost pretty hard but damn did I killed a lot of kuritans, And isn't that what is really important?"
Can elementals load NARC-compatible SRMs? Or Inferno SRMs, for that matter?
>>94235453They can load infernos, so I don't see why they can't load NARC capable rounds.
>>94235190The Dragon can honor my boot up its ass.
>>94235359Sorry, but Dracs aren't invited to Huntress, you can send a few DEST teams out of our pity.But we'll invite FRR, Cappies, St. Ives too.
>>94235359
The Urbanmech LAM. Know it, love it, live it. Make your opponent(s) laugh uncontrollably while you reduce them to utter useless scrap. Do a dance while they realize in their fleeting final moments they should have never been conceived. Rake in the C-Bills, literally.
This, this, I believe demands an answer because this is spooky season and the day of spook is upon us!Since most major regions are just approximations of IRL places and cultures:- Fed Suns are *not* feudal England - Lyrans are *not* feudal Rhineland - Draconis Combine is imperial Japan reimagined by Weebs- Cappellan Confederation is space communism (worst stereotypes of Soviet Union and communist China combined)- FWL is *not* dystopian America And then you’ve got smaller locales like the planet Northwind which is SPACE SCOTLAND *bagpipes playing*So where, in your approximation, in the Battletech universe is Space Romania/Space Transylvania? Because Dracula in a mech seems really appropriate for the season!Also, what kind of mech would Dracula Reborn be piloting?
>>94235707I feel like Space Romania would either be in the FWL or somewhere in Capellan space.
>>94235719The closest you get is the Canopians, what with their sex trafficking.
>>94235701I don't mind the idea, but the lazy sculpt of the mini sucked all fun out of it. The sketches were much better.
>>94232798>Laborers are simpletons, but are strong and hardy, perfect for menial labors.that wouldn't jive with warriors who fail their trial of position being tossed in the labor class. If the laborers were engineered to be perfect for labor, what use would a washed up mechwarrior be?I do agree for warriors, the genetic engineering should perhaps be more obvious.
>>94235846And gambling.
>>94235884clearly the washed out warriors become foremen. They may not be as strong but they are far more intelligent, so that would let them fill leadership and middle management positions among the labor class.
>>94235707Space Dracula would focus on terror tactics and stealth I imagine. Speed and firepower at a premium over armor. Lots of plasma rifles, hatchets, inferno SRMs, big bore autocannon, etc. I suppose the man himself should have a lance for impaling with.
>>94235919That actually makes sense, but I also get the impression that the scientists really only care about tinkering with the warrior caste. I don't think there's a trueborn laboring caste, just freeborn and trueborn washouts.
>>94235707There is literally an in-universe conspiracy theory of the Mariks being Romanian vampires. As for a unit, the closest to Dracula style is the Night Stalkers. They even dress up like Dracula, more so than the Hogs, and are all about stealth and sneakiness.
>>94235943Its also probably a time scale thing. The clans actually haven't been around for very long so a complete top to bottom genetically engineered caste system probably would take more time to implement. How are things in the Kerensky cluster as of Ilkhan btw?
>>94235943Which is really a shame. They could have gone so much further with it and that would have been pretty awesome.
>>94235968Scientists have even more contempt for Laborers than Warriors do, if I remember correctly.
>>94235953>How are things in the Kerensky cluster as of Ilkhan btw?It's a mystery. Hopefully the Blake Remnants wiped the HW clans out.
Now imagining a pirate warlord / dictator in the periphery who picks up some Society or Dark Caste clan scientists and lets them go completely wild on his population, a program without traditional or ethical constraints. Away from prying eyes, I imagine it wouldn't be too many generations until something very cool (if monstrous) resulted. Would make good fodder for an rpg campaign.
So for indirect fire, the differences between TAG and NARC boil down to:>NARC>ignores spotter LoS and intervening terrain (since the NARC is spotting)>ignores spotter movement (since the NARC is spotting)>stays on the mech until the NARCed section is destroyed>gives you an effective Artemis IV bonus if you decide to use direct fire>TAG>needs to hit each turn to be useful>removes the accuracy penalty on both mechs if your spotter decides to also fire weaponsUnless there’s artillery or semi-guided LRMs in play (which I don’t think are terribly common and also have a higher BV cost) is TAG effectively useless or what? Yeah it removes a +1 modifier from both mechs but I’d think that NARC’s ability to just flat-out ignore terrain and one-and-done approach means that it’s going to outperform as a missile support equipment. And TAG doesn’t even do anything when you’re using the missile boat for a direct fire attack, does it? At least with NARC you get the +2 cluster rolls for direct fire.
>>94236038> Now imagining a pirate warlord / dictator in the periphery who picks up some Society or Dark Caste clan scientists and lets them go completely wild on his population,This Periphery Dictator, he wouldn’t be a former Lyran minor house would it?Sent into exile perhaps?House Faulkenstein possibly?Or is it pronounced House FRANKENSTEIN ? good lord if we get clan wolf involved somehow we’d be well on our way to a MechWarrior monster mash
So, how much can lets say, and Atlas pick up? Or would it collapse if it dared to try exceed its tonnage?
>>94236256I believe an Atlas can pick up and throw a 20 ton mech, but not any heavier.
>>94235707>Also, what kind of mech would Dracula Reborn be piloting?A Wraith, because that's the most turkish-coded mech available in BT.
>>94236407The world is a strange place. I didn't know this manga existed and never saw it come up. Then I found and read it and I see it posted everywhere now.
So I guess the new game just ignores engine crits?
>>94236468People would lose their marbles if it did.Lore accurate mechbay only applies for putting 11 gauss rifles in your mech, never for drawbacks.
>>94236507I mean yeah Monke was pretty awesome long term but her intro was literally a rape attemp. Played for laughs but it happened.
>>94236468Did MW games ever have engine crits, mechs falling over & ammo explosions?
>>94235930Alright, I made Dracula a ride thanks to this post chain. He's in a custom (Grand) Dragon, of course, considering his knightly background.XLFE and endo from the original -7K it's built off of. The gyro has been pulled for an XL Gyro. Armor is 13 tons of hardened, reducing speed to 6/8. 13 DHS remain in place.Weaponry consists of a Lance in the left arm working with an A.E.S., a Snub PPC in the right arm, a Streak SRM/4 with 1 ton of CASEd ammo in the LT, and 2 medium x-pulse lasers in the RT. No MASC or supercharger, which I kinda wanted, or gimmicky terror weapons - I was considering a heavy flamer. But it can impale, and hardened armor means it's weirdly hard to kill like the real life Vladdy.
>>94236562You can knock mechs over in MW4 if you hit them with big enough ballistics. On the other hand, destroying a side torso won’t even take out the corresponding arm, so that’s fun.
>>94236562Mechwarrior 3 had engine explosion from overheat.
>>94236562Pretty sure MW5 Mercs had IS XLs behave properly, but it's been awhile since I touched that. MWO does engine crits for both IS and Clan engines properly, as far as torso destruction is concerned, and technically has ammo crits, but they're fairly toothless.
>>94236562MW2 had engine crits and ammunition explosions. Mechs wouldn't fall over (no physics for it). You could critically overheat and explode.MW3 had mechs falling over. I don't recall ammunition explosions for certain. Taking out a leg killed the mech. You could overheat such that you'd critically explode.MW4 had mechs falling over.
>>94236312> A Wraith, because that's the most turkish-coded mech available in BT.How do you figure?>>94236407> "That's Fronkensteen!"IT’S FRANK-UN-SHTEIN!
>>94236620In game ammo crits were always a bit much frankly. Machine gun ammo should not turn you into a thermonuclear mushroom cloud.
>>94235943I thought the scientists did have their own phenotypes? And IIRC the society started as scientist castes secretly giving each-other bloodnames because they wanted recognition for how valuable they actually were.
>>94234159https://youtu.be/b8tWXHgzvoc?si=AMA6FvzYnZa0T3A4
>>94236665It looks like a cockroach.
>>94236689That mech is wonderfully racist and I love it.
Heh, I'm gonna nuke a bunch of ghost bear civilians. What's the worst that could happen?
>>94235707>Space Romania/Space Transylvania?They're in the FWL, but what exact planets I can't say.>>94236038If they had the technical capacity and were able to escape the Wars of Reaving that could be pretty cool, kind of like years ago where we were statting the "Clan Burrock/Clan Dark Caste/Clan Oberon Confederation" idea that was pure shits and giggles. I think we had that the entire military was basically lording over a sort of capitalist robber-baron battle royale with their people where their forces used cheap fodder using gene modding backed up by elites in assault mechs.>>94236241>Or is it pronounced House FRANKENSTEIN ?I lol'd.>>94236124>is TAG effectively useless or what?Fuck no, if anything NARC is only better than TAG in the scenario of indirect fire NOW because the rules changed to where the basic pods can't be easily removed by normal 'mechs anymore. Remember- NARC and two tons of ammo is 5 tons, 4 crits, explosive, and has a range of 3/6/9. It needs specialty ammo. It's a specialist tool that really only fits on fast lights and mediums. Contrast that to TAG who's range is 5/9/15, weighs a ton, takes one slot, and can work with semi-guided LRMs and artillery as well- they COULD be equal, but many of the NARC carrying units were made for 3050 and were never properly designed.>>94236256A 100 ton assault 'mech with active TSM can pick up and throw a 20 tonner. Without TSM, you need some serious piloting skill rolls If I recall right.
>>94236719Nothing racist about itA proud warrior people represented in the form of a proud warrior mech.
>>94236256>>94236307Now, I have no idea if this has changed or not since catalyst reprinted all the rules, but the last time I looked at 'how much can a mech actually lift' rules a 100 ton mech, with two fully functioning arms(all actuators undamaged with lower arm and hand actuators) AND active triple strength myomer can lift exactly twenty tons.The reason we had to look this up was a Fire Moth attempting to turn and continue moving on pavement after already running some 15-20 hexes, failing the piloting roll, falling, and skidding to a halt tue feet of and AS7-D with TSM.And that was how my buddy's merc unit salvaged a nigh pristine Fire Moth(with pilot)
>>94236757Did the Huron's have those ornate feathered headdress? Apache or Comanche warrior might be a bit more boring though because everyone thinks of those tribes
>>94236748Mad Science Clan Pirate Mafia would make a great little faction, getting their claws in throughout the sphere as a malevolent alternative to the Sea Foxes. Malthus Confederation is already sort of this, minus the mad science part? You could get a lot of juice out of this concept taken as far as it goes.
>>94236689That's cappellan? I thought that was some clan autism. Why would cappies make that?
>>94236975the "headdress" is actually improved sensors. The reason you would make it is that its a medium mech with a gauss rifle.
>>94236975Like the other anon said, it's actually a bespoke sensor suite.
>>94236942>Apache or Comanche warrior might be a bit more boring thoughThey should do for the Huron Warrior what they did for the Crab, a different tribal mech for every weight class.>Blackfoot light mech>Navajo Medium>Apache Heavy>Comanche Assault>>94236975Clans can't have all of the cool mechs
>>94237022>>94236983It looks like a Falcon or Nova totem mech, the sort of thing you'd expect to see parked off to the side while they dance around a bonfire.
>>94237032>Clans can't have all of the cool mechs>>94237057sometimes the innersphere are retarded furries too.
>>94237087sometimes you get jannies who delete posters brainstorming a perfectly on topic idea for mad clan scientists, othertimes you get jannies ignoring 100 posts about US politics. Luck of the Draw.
Reposting my latest Batrep, fixed up the fucked up sentence atleast a little bit on the second page, but otherwise it's the same thing. 17k or so Clan Assault Star against a mixed 18k Inner Sphere company of three different Mercenary groups.
People mention davionman showing up to Herb’s house, but where’s the proof
>>94236968Isn't this like... The Society? Kind of?
>>94236968It bugs me that really cool ideas like the WoB's Manei Dominei cyberpunk fanatics and The Society and all its potential for a "Post-Human Horrorshow" got the, "and then they were defeated, only to exist as rumors and legends henceforth" while the setting returned to the well worn Wolf's wolfing and Fedrat vs Drac eternal reeeee fest.
>>94237404It's been posted before.Incessantly screeching for proofs has never been an endearing trait.
>>94234735>my friend that has all my books and maps has become permanently disabledSorry to hear that he picked up Capellans, anon.
>>94235846Based Canopians
>>94237521Neither has being a dick.
>>94237441Anon I can happily say that you are wrong! Ghosts of Obeedah, written by Herb, spells out that there's enough Word and Blake-aligned characters into the Dark Ages that back-alley cyberizing is an uncommon (but known) issue, even to the point where one of the first RotS books you could buy was a crime thriller where a guy was looking for Word of Blake mechwarriors that were still alive and committing crimes into the 3130s- the Word was defeated, but absolutely still around. That book also implied that The House Lords were keeping this Word remnant alive as a dedicated enemy that they could use in the future and that the underground movement to get believers to Obeedah was large enough that Jumpships and dropships were making the trek consistently.>>94236968>You could get a lot of juice out of this concept taken as far as it goes.I would also especially like it as like, the Society still being alive, an obvious economic opponent to the Sea Foxes (since if there's such a market for 3rd party milspec equipment, there's gotta be more than the sharkfoxes) and a reason for why the Foxes need the money they're hoarding. Plus then you could have like, The Raven Alliance and Falcons in constant war with them because *they know what they fucking are* but have the Wolves getting Elstars from them as well.
>>94237521Where, I searched and couldn’t find it
>>94237404There is no proof, it's a false flag pasta to justify why Davions get author fiat.
>>94237590Which they haven't had longer than you've probably been alive.
>>94237587What proof would satisfy you?
>>94237889NTA but a police report or something at minimum. Some guys word really doesn't mean shit to me.
>>94237586>Anon I can happily say that you are wrong!Getting passing allusions in fiction is not the same as a TRO or Era Report that supports updated tabletop play and outlines their role in known space current events in new and interesting ways.
>>94237586>why the Foxes need the money they're hoardingThat could be pretty easily explained as providing liquid reserves to customers in their banking network in an era with poor communications and lack of unified central bank to act as a (RIP Comstar). It also acts as a liquid collateral to secure contracts, loans, and other business agreements that the clan has with others or between two separate parties using the clan as a depository.
>>94238006>That could be pretty easily explained as providing liquid reserves to customers in their banking network in an era with poor communications and lack of unified central bank to act as a (RIP Comstar).This reminds me, what money is used in the Ilkhan era? Are C-bills still used for some reason despite comstar being kaput?
>>94237948Then you will remain unsatisfied. You will simply have to cope.
>>94237889I like how you say this as though any source has been posted, and that anon is being unreasonable and pedantic. Hearsay isn't proof. 'I was there, gandalf' isn't proof. Surely there would be a news story, a police report, Herb himself talking about it somewhere, literally anything other than 'trust me bro.'
>>94237889Herb’s forum posts he made about it that got deleted?
>>94235884Lots of Elementals go to the Labourer caste.>>94235943The eugenics program encompasses the lower castes and the scientists oversee it. Civilians are allowed to form their own families but if the scientists say Labourer Billy has to bang a baby into Technician Sally for the glory of the Clan or whatever, they have to get it on and produce a kid.>>94236562Engine crits in MW 2 and 3 for sure. I can't remember if there was increased heat in MW4 but by the time you lose a side torso you're usually so reduced in payload it's difficult to overheat any way.Mechs could be knocked over in 3 and 4 if you hit them hard enough or, in MW3, got a gyro hit.Ammo (and GR) explosions were in 2 and 3 but CASE eliminated a lot of the damage and resulting issues from that.
>>94238060He did, but the current forums are a replacement for ones going back almost 20 years now that were deleted and shit gets nuked on the current forums all the fucking time by the dickhead mods over there."I was there, Gandalf," is all you're gonna get because nobody thinks to take screenshots at the time.
>>94237875I'm not asking them to try and become Infinity with giant robots, but inventing genuine sci-fi factions only to bury them in favor of yet more IS political melodrama is a frustrating waste of potential. And fans excited for the new ilClan stuff express frustration with other fans who don't care for anything past the Clan Invasion era, but the truth is it's just lines on a map and better gun stats. The IS balkanizing is not innovating or exciting, it's just more of the same. The Jihad was the last really interesting thing to happen in Battletech.
>>94238047C-bills are long dead. A C-bill wasn't really currency. It was a guarantee issued by Comstar for a certain amount of transmission time on their HPG network. It was used as a universal currency because transmission time was valuable, Comstar was everywhere, and it was stable (unlike the various H-bills). With Comstar completely dead as an organization and the HPG network killed, all three of those factors are gone. If you're associated with a house, the you use your local H-bill. Otherwise, you have to deal with payment in kind or your private assessment of the other party's credit.
>>94238191>A C-bill wasn't really currency. It was a guarantee issued by Comstar for a certain amount of transmission time on their HPG network.anon that's a commodity currency
>>94238228>commodity currencyYes, but I'm going off the assumption that anon isn't familiar with those and is mostly familiar with fiat currencies he deals with everyday, like dollars and euros. Thank you for pointing that out.
>>94238067Yeah. Anything other than everything perfect and CGL being successful and the best company ever is rule breaking behavior on the forums. Remember when Herbs answer to "how to become a BT author?" was a 1-word "Don't" and it got deleted and he couldn't post again for a year?
>>94238122>>94238281Did nobody have a screenshot or something? Or at least this is a case where a namefag like NEA could help by confirming because we know who they are
Bad news. The package courier carrying my kickstarter has been shot in the head near Goodsprings
>>94238191>>94238228>>94238228C-bills are gift cards with more gravitas. The main difference is that everyone takes them and not just Indian scammers.
>>94238436They gave my package to a guy but it turned out he was just using the postman's uniform as a con on a post-apocalyptic community. Hopefully it's one of those 'conman get's inspired and becomes what we was pretending to be' narratives.
>>94238439
>>94238392I know this is tertiary at best, but NEA told the whole story to me and bottom over lunch at Adepticon.
What's the best mech for covering up the lacking skills of a dogshit pilot, and conversely the mech that benefits the most from a mech-wizard in the cockpit?For the shit pilot, I'm thinking something with pulse lasers in the arms for intrinsic bonuses to hit, and then lots of armor, or maybe a fat brawler mech that can blast at point blank range where it's hard to miss. It'd be a waste of resources to give a bad pilot such a nice mech, but maybe a Rifleman IIC would help someone look not as bad as they really are.For the savant, a long range head-cutter with speed, ER-PPCs or Gauss rifles with jump jets and speedy legs. Something like an Incubus 2 or a Stormcrow TC, though those are good mechs even before you put a great pilot into the equation.
>>94238667Pheonix Hawk 3PL and Falconer 8R, respectively.
>>94238667See if you can slap AES in the legs to not fall over at every pilot check
>>94238667>>94238679Or QUAD!
>>94238694Quad? More like KWAB!
>>94238667But he's got a point actually, a Barghest could do for each of them.
>>94238654Cool, what was it
>>94238715I was preoccupied by low quality convention center pizza at the time but it basically boiled down to "guy showed up ranting about davions with a shotgun and threatening Herb", same basic story that gets shared here in various forms. I believe it happened, there's people here nuts enough to pull that.
>>94238392I have confirmed it before. Repeatedly. I am not a police report or a screenshot however, so my effort was simply met with "post real proof".Things happen, and sometimes there is no written record, or surviving written record. People need to become capable of dealing with this fact. The internet has ruined a great many people.
>>94238763So we have your word, that he gave you his word, that it happened. Pure hearsay then.
>>94238772Case in point.
>>94238772
>>94238649Lmao, I think they are just slowly copy pasting Clan Sea Fox over all instances of Comstar.
>>94238783>>94238763Things don't happen without proof. Post proof that can't be digitally altered or photoshopped and we'll believe it. What's so hard about that?
>>94238783You can't blame the internet for people wanting more than your word as evidence. That's hardly something that is unique to the internet age.
>>94238763It's not unreasonable to at least ask if there's anything more concrete, which is where this conversation started. Rather than explain anything, the first response was an insult.
>>94238809Just because you can't prove I didn't fart just now doesn't mean it didn't happen.
>>94238763Wanting support for an accusation of, what, some kind of harassment or worse? is not "ruining people". People lie all the damn time. People repeat things that turn out to be entirely baseless all the damn time. Trying to avoid those (especially when the only confirmation is some anonymous guy with no reputation on the line) is a step forward, not back.
Minor update: Instant Action v 4.1 is still in the works, my layout guy has just been busy. Map campaign will do next turn on Monday.Feeling the urge to work on some new homebrew. Maybe a bunch of contracts for the Mercenary campaign system, once I get my hands on the Hinterlands book.>>94238806Yeah it sucks a lot. Hope they backpedal on that.
>>94238850>Yeah it sucks a lot. Hope they backpedal on that.I don't mind it as so far sea fox hasn't actually done any wierd clanner bullshit yet. They seem content to slot into position as "neutral big moneyed entity that exists so we can have a universal currency so that we don't need to do currency conversions every session."
>>94238763I don’t need real proof, I just want to hear the actual story in a way that hasn’t been turned into a game of telephone by random anons
>>94238823>You can't blame the internetThe hell I can't. "Pics or it didn't happen" was a *meme*, and people understood that not everything got written down or video recorded. It's terminally online retards who have taken it from being ironic to genuinely thinking that nothing can happen without proof, and internet echo chambers and the 5 monkeys effect are *actually* to blame for that. I will continue to assign blame where it is warranted, thank you.>>94238824Reasonable. However, this is a) hardly the first time this conversation has occured, b) not relevant to my specific response, and c) 4chan and insults as a response to anything are par for the course anymore.The best bet for anyone looking for any sort of proof is going to be to see if anyone has an archive scrape of the Battlechat archives from the OF. Those archives were themselves deleted by the mods there because of Herbs breakdown, but if someone scraped them before they were deleted, they could see the April 2014 (IIRC) Battlechat where Herb mentioned this happening and that it would be the last Battlechat because an angry Davion fan showed up at his house. As far as I'm aware, that's your only hope for proof. But I will also point out that it's going to be a digital archive, is therefor le digitally alterable by its very nature, and therefore is incapable of placating this guy: >>94238809
>>94238908If you want to blame the internet that's your prerogative but you are objectively incorrect.
>>94238879I think that thing of mercenaries using ammo as currency in the dark age was cool
>>94239015>I think that thing of mercenaries using ammo as currency in the dark age was coolI mean they do that shit in actual warzones.
>>94238908Somebody here has to have a screenshot because I remember when it happened and it got reposted here a few times. Not in my archive unfortunately. I just have stuff like this.
>>94238879>sea fox hasn't actually done any wierd clanner bullshit yetThe helped turn Marik's pet clan against them and put FWL on the Blackfoot, possibly staging for the FWL to overtaken by clanners from within.
>>94239050They already started that shit with the Regulan War even before they turned on Oriente.
All I can say to the broofster is that Herb being threatened by a Davion sperg happened before faking threats for clout became popular. Personally I don't think he threatened hard enough since we got this ilclan slop bearing down on us.
If Davionman happened in 2013 they don't seem to have taken him very seriously. They continued the decline of the fedsuns plotline until arguably last year.
>>94239146>Personally I don't think he threatened hard enoughThe harshest of choices require the strongest of wills.
>>94238823Are you dense? Regardless of opinions on this particular matter, to pretend we don't live in the age of post-truth conspiracy retards is being willfully wrong. It's absolutely a staple of our current internet age.And the scary thing is, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg, the Russian internet, for example, has taken it to whole new level.Which makes me wonder what the internet is like to use for every faction in Battletech. When the Cappies take over the planet for the whatever-eth time do they have to hire a whole new set of Jannies?
>>94238006See and that's cool and would make sense, that suddenly the game's version of the gold standard (in universe at one point it was the germanium standard, the houses only went fiat currency in the succession wars) went away and that the Sea Foxes power was largely in that they just expanded what they were already doing for the clans like the Falcons- so suddenly they're doing just everyday shit for average people in the Inner Sphere and not just the honor larping.>>94237987>Getting passing allusions in fiction is not the same as a TRO or Era Report that supports updated tabletop play and outlines their role in known space current events in new and interesting ways.Dude this is a GAME. They purposefully make threads like that you can allude to so that you can build your own campaigns off of them. Every game does this! Not every stone needs to be overturned! We don't need to know what happened to the minnesota tribe! lmaoBesides, there's rules literally in GoO that go over this, even force creation.>>94239032>Somebody here has to have a screenshot because I remember when it happened and it got reposted here a few times. Not in my archive unfortunately. I just have stuff like this.I actually remember when it happened too.
>>94239149Dominions Divided seemed to be the big Davion turnaround. However, that book seemed more about making the Kuritans suck than the Davions seem particularly good. The Davion victories agains the Cappies, for example, were barely scraped out with the help of mercs, and its basically stated Daoshen could have killed the FedSuns at any time, but he wanted to kill the Republic more. Even the Taurians got the beat on the Davions.... well, the Haseks. Well, Alexander Hasek specifically.
>>94239182The burden of proof has existed long before the internet anon.
>>94239199Haseks exist to be punked, so that hardly counts. And Taurians had to get a win against someone after decades of the fix being in against them. May as well be the designated jobbers.Not sure how you're still surprised about the linedevs being wumaos after all this time. Most of the game's existence has been them slobbering over Liao's knob.
>>94239221Not surprised, just pointing out that the supposed stop of the decline of the Fedsuns, while true, is still pretty tepid. It's more about screwing the Kuritans - who I figure are due for the Ghost Bears next?Plus in a meta-sense, Dominions Divided is sort of tepid. Its weird that the FWL seems to be getting the best out of the IlClan era. Apart from the Liaos.
>>94239149They scrapped the time jump to 3250 that they were planning and Herb quit the job even though he had upended his life to get it.
>>94239199>>94239221Not sure Daoshen dying in the next book means the end of Sinoboo era or more of 'strong independent womyn chancellor'
>>94239300I think the Canopians stabbing the Cappies in the back to jump into bed with the Anduriens is more of a concern. That and the Wolves replacing the Republic. It'll be fiat vs. fiat!
>>94239300Either way, it almost certainly means an end to Cappie aggression against the Wolves. Whether they retain the ability to fight them or not, she's way more concerned with what's happening on the periphery side of cap space than the Terra side. As of Empire Alone, she's letting the Anduriens run free across Capellan space because cappie jackboots are stepping on "her people" (who she sold to the cappies for peanuts).
>>94239207Nobody is saying that it didn't. What people are saying is that till the last 10 years or so, people did accept that things did happen, and there might not be readily accessible proof of them happening. It's only recently that people have gone on autistic crusades to insist that if something wasn't recorded, then it physically could not have happened. You are arguing a position that no one is trying to argue against.
Will Danai have claim to Andurien if she comes out of the closet and reveil herself to be the daughter of Ari Humphreys' wife?
What's a beardy star to build around a Stone Rhino and a Warhawk? I want to have a Scorpion Empire star specifically to employ against a friend who believes the highest form of the game is seeking complete overmatch that delivers crushingly effortless wins, usually through identifying the most "broken" units and ability combos. He usually plays down to my less-than-competative play style, but I'd like to offer him the kind of challenge he enjoys.
>>94239406Same as always, boat CERPPCs and CLPL.
>>94239427So just any omni with as many of those as fit within the BV? I am not (yet) a clan player, and haven't played many games period.
>>94239442Pretty much. The Warhawk is your best bet.
So is Warhawk C pretty much an evergreen WAAC pick?>And someone used this for her Trial of Position
>>94239463Thanks, I will give this a try. I tend toward choosing units for aesthetic or narrative reasons (or just whatever I nost recently painted) so I'm not great at competative list building.
>>94239486Rifleman IIC and Hellstar as well.
>>94239406Turkina C
>>94238806I mean, it makes sense. Half the reason the C-bill was the preferred currency for space faring businesses was because you could spend it anywhere. With CSF ships making the circuit around the IS, it's just useful. If they wanted to walk it back though, Sea Fox aligning with the IlClan gives them an excellent excuse. Doubt that will happen though. IlClan is here to stay for the next century.
>>94239406>>94239514 This.Rifleman IIC 1, Maruader IIC 1 and Hellstar 1 will complete your faggot pentfecta. Swap out for Goshawk 1 or Viper 1 if you need to shed some BV.
>>94239328Not unless Duke Humphreys and his Natasha GMILF tier wife both die.
Considering that the Clans canonically have American (sorry, "Star League") accents, why did Piranha make sure that every single one of their voice actors was foreign for MW5:C?>>94239486>And someone used this for her Trial of PositionI actually thought that was a great idea by the devs. I can't think of any better way to communicate that KSD was only a MechWarrior in a technical sense.
>>94239650You know why.
>>94239661Cheaper?
How do you justify regular omnis and IIcs in a same star?
>>94239515Sorry it's the Turkina B. A cancerous Clan Laserboat
>>94239650Star League is Canadian, not American.
>>94239679"Some of our omnis got destroyed so we ordered the Solahma cluster to hand over their IICs and switch to captured IS mechs with C refits"
>>94239679Late or Post Invasion logistics and reinforcement problems.
>>94239682Weren't the Feds Canadian
>>94239682The capital was in Washington State, anon.
>>94239665No.
>>94239679Be a poor fuck Klusterfucker.
>>94239699Is it because the devs/company is in Seattle or something? Heard the area's important in Shadowrun as well
Is Emilie beating the shit out of Mia for challanging her in the Circle of Equals, yet not giving additional penalty/punishment for Mia (and Jayden's star) being unusally merficul for CSJ?
>>94239705Then I'm going to need your conspiracy-theory ass to spell it out for me, sorry.
>>94239746I think you're not supposed to punish people for lawful challenges. But I bet you anything that Mia will get all of the shit assignments going forward.
>>94239635I have a Stone Rhino, a Warhawk, a Marauder IIC, and a Rifleman IIC. I don't think I have a Hellstar, but I'm not sure about the names of all the platic omnis I have. How is the Warhammer IIC? I do have one of those.
>>94239756Not as optimal but decently despicable.
>>94239746depends entirely on how petty the challenged is.Its clanners so yes.
Do mechs have windows?
>>94239693>>94239682To Clarify, Terran Hegemony was Canadian, the later Star League had a Seattle Base and was American. McKenna was from the Yukon of all places. I do not know what this has to do with the planets around New Syrtis way out in the Capellan March being littered with refences to places in the Yukon.
>>94239757OK, then I have a pool of good candidates. It's not really my style, but the few times I've managed to build shithammer lists in other games has amused him. I appreciate everyone's assistance.
>>94239746A trial of Grievance is supposed to be the end of the issue, you both drop it after that.https://youtu.be/TdKOQldI0pk
>>94239767Yes. Transparent armor called plasteel and transparent aluminum is literally crystal edition gundam levels of window with armor.
Do we know why the hell, of all clan mechs, they used the Hunchback IIc for the CJF in the BT cartoon?
>Yo for some reason an airconditioned suit with cooling tubes running through it is Lostech so you get to rock the Zardoz/Astroboy look Really now? I don't want people laughing at my hairy legs
>>94239785When a warrior is falling behind the curve and doesn't want to go to the old infantryman's home, he takes a Hunchie IIC in the hopes of dying in it.
>>94238649>sea-billhigh artalso how viable would coin collecting be as a hobby in BT? Has to be cool, finding space monies from places like the homeworld clans or periphery states, but I assume cash wouldn't flow far when everyone used c-bills digitally
>>94239785Fun fact. It was INVENTED for the cartoon. You didn't get it in an official TRO collection until 3058 a year after broadcast.>The more you know.hpg
>>94239785Probably easy to make into a toy while being thematic.
>>94239782Is it really a window if glass isn't involved?
>>94239806Solid piece of clear material counts. See plexiglass/candyglass/etc.
>>94239799You can wear shorts if you really want, plus some mechwarriors just undress in their cockpits.
In this setting, why only Anglos, Scandis, Germans, Russians, Chinese and Japanese exist. No Africans, Spics, Pajeets, Muslims, Fr*nch etc
>>94239693FedSuns are Anglo-French but not Quebec.
>>94239822
>>94239799>I don't want people laughing at my hairy legsIf you got enough money to pilot a mech, you got enough money for lostech laser hair removal.
>>94239803Cash is still useful even at the height of Comstars power. Not even Comstars own bank can get real time account information from across the Inner Sphere, if you make a digital payment and don't have such an immaculate credit history that your account is flagged for immediate trust, it can take weeks or months for the bank to actually confirm that you aren't double dipping. Overdraft procedures are slowwwwwww when nobody has instant internet, and no bank wants to risk it by allowing everyone to make transactions willy nilly.
>>94239822>Spics,Pajeets,Muslimsits bait but its not even good bait considering you got space spain, space hindustan, and space arabia
>>94239805I mean look at this thing.
>>94239746>>94239752Mia got beaten by Wimmer so hard that in the next scene she has gone full dykecut and stuffed herself full of EI implants as a cope, like a rape victim
>>94239693The Fedsuns are a freedom loving, impassioned speech giving, burger gurgling nations who's most hated enemies are Imperial Japan weebs and cartoonish commies. The Fedsuns have always just been an America stand-in with a thin veneer of French and British culture as decoration.>"I, Hanse Davion, rightful heir and successor to my brother, do accept from His Most Honored Chairman Elder, Cardinal Diego Lavera, the Unfinished Book and the Scepter of State as symbols of my rights and responsibilities toward all the peoples of the Federated Suns. God bless the freedom-loving people of the Federated Suns." -From the official Coronation Speech of Hanse Davion, Prince of the Federated Suns, 3013[15]
>>94239699>>94239776When Canada annexed Terra moving their capital to former American territory means it is still Canada.
>>94239863Sorry, Space NATO, being Space America, quietly dissolved when it conquered the whole earth after 2nd Soviet Civil War.
>>94238088>but if the scientists say Labourer Billy has to bang a baby into Technician Sally for the glory of the Clan or whatever, they have to get it on and produce a kid.Im having Fire Emblem: Awakening flashbacks after reading that.
>>94239863It says Canada on paper, but we all know they culturally assimilated into Americans
>>94239803>also how viable would coin collecting be as a hobby in BT?Basically the OG Snord's Irregulars' MO
>>94239871What's kind of weird but does still make sense is the general opposition to cross-caste breeding. I would think the eugenics program would view warriors as superior and their genes would improve lower castes but instead that doesn't come up from the eugenics program but instead from a warrior being horny and someone in the lower caste being close enough to fuck.
>>94238806>>94238879Wasnt there a blurb in Tamar Rising or some sourcebook about Trillian Steiner draining the state coffers proping up C-star remnants?
>>94239776>>94239863>>94239875Where are you getting this? Canada isn't even mentioned in the article for SUPER NATO beyond "NATO members"
>>94239860God bless the Ferderated Suns
>>94239897It's amazing how much you can get done by just having a feedback box and not shooting the people who put things in it.
>>94239883>>94239803ah sickguessing a golden age kerensky would be the grail for the hobbyor just a bunch of skulls because having a collection of skulls sounds cool, thanks circinus
>>94239860the major problem is that they are MONARCHISTS. Thats why all true Americans are purple eagles so we can follow the good ole american traditions such as succession crisis and ethnic division.
>>94239885Yeah that is a bit wierd, but Clanners have a lot of wierd, backward-ass practices. If i were to guess, its some sort of purity th8ng theyre hung up on
>>94239890LMAO
>>94239890Me? Personally im meme-ing on the Canuks, dunno about the others
>>94239907Fucking BORIS JOHNSON? Holy hell thats hilarious, how did i not notice that
>>94239890There are many science fiction series which take Canada as the starting point of a spacefaring humanity. It is a conscious rejection of America and American values, usually by Canadian authors themselves
>>94239804Proof?
>>94239920I've never run into this. If theres many, please give three examples.
>>94239929>check date of show creation>check date of tro releaseYou must be on the left hand side of the distribution curve
>>94239822>In this setting, why only Anglos, Scandis, Germans, Russians, Chinese and Japanese exist. No Africans, Spics, Pajeets, Muslims, Fr*nch etcBecause Battletech is about a hopeful future, that's why.
>>94239935That's coincidence unless proven otherwise. Show actual proof that it was invented for the show.
>>94239937Britain is swiftly exiting the first world. You can't include them anymore. The French are a more sensible inclusion than the British.
>>94239902>succession crisisA recent phenomenon.
>>94239946Hang on, got a copypasta to mock people like you:>Do you have a source on that? >Source? >A source. I need a source. >Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion. >No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered. >You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence. >Do you have a degree in that field? >A college degree? In that field? >Then your arguments are invalid. >No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation. >Correlation does not equal causation. >CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION. >You still haven't provided me a valid source yet. >Nope, still haven't. >I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
>>94239950yeah, the US historically never had a succession crisis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGijoa8aIvo
>>94239890Western Alliance collapsed, Terran Hegemony took over and reigned into the formation of the Star League. It was founded by Canadians.
>>94239949The question is how the Great Houses end up with the cultures they do, especially the ones that are currently dying out (Kurita and Rasalhague), while more prolific ones like Indians and Muslims do not end up creating Haqqislam or ending up with any influence
>>94239963That's SECESSION you illiterate mong.
>>94239932Hang on, got a copypasta to mock people like you:>Do you have a source on that? >Source? >A source. I need a source. >Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion. >No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered. >You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence. >Do you have a degree in that field? >A college degree? In that field? >Then your arguments are invalid. >No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation. >Correlation does not equal causation. >CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION. >You still haven't provided me a valid source yet. >Nope, still haven't. >I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
>>94239979dang. I made the classic blunder.
>>94239976Because one family imposed the culture on the state they took over. The muslim state got its ass nuked into oblivion during the Age or War, but Islam is still one of the most widely-practiced religions in the Sphere.
>>94239885They want the breeding to be controlled, at least on paper. A warrior knocking up every technician on the base might spread warrior genes around, but it completely fucks up the (theoretically important) continuation of The Plan for future technicians. How much the scientists actually care about non-tube genetics is up for debate, but they have to at least pretend.
>>94239996>How much the scientists actually care about non-tube genetics is up for debate, but they have to at least pretend.Think that may be the thing, its the Warriors who care, they dont what their super special genes to spread to "lower" castes
If I take an enemy Mechwarrior as a bondsman, does that mean he also has to become my sex slave?
>>94240009No
>>94240009A bondsref is the ultimate "I think we should just be friends"
>>94239853Well, at least she won't be anyone's problem for very long.
>>94240009Yes, in the 25 Years of Art and Fiction book there is a short story where a CSJ warrior defeats a DCMS mechwarrior and makes her his bondsman. As it is a garrison duty afterwards he spends boring days fucking her all the time. The Secone Star League then attacks and he sorties out to face them but his unit is smashed. Withdrawing alone he encounters her back in her mech he had salvaged and she shoots down his mech. When he awakens he is informed he is now her bondsman/sex slave.
>>94240009Yes, if you so demand it, but that's fucking degenerate and your Star Commander is going to ruin your life over it.
>>94240016>tfw your bondsman requests bondsref rather than accompany you to bed
>>94240033that's just marriage at that point.
>>94239822>>94239937>>94239976So in Battletech, the presumption was that when people were going into space, the most powerful nations would be the Americans and Russians. Hence the areas closest to earth are all American and/or Russian in culture for the most part. Dieron and Tikonov, for example, have distinct Russian culture. The areas of Skye or the FedSuns closest to Terra are American, for example. You do get some Mexican in there as well because, well, America - see Dieron.Then they presumed the nations who would go out further would be what was considered the second tier of powers at their time - i.e. mainly Europe and East Asia in their conception. Hence you get Europeans in the Lyran Commonwealth, Chinese in Capellan, Japanese in Draconis combine. Then the rest of Earth headed out last. That's how you get the Hindus near the FedSusn periphery, and all along the Lyran Periphery, how you get all the Africans in Coventry, Spanish speakers out by Buena/Tamarind, Turks out by the Rim Collection, Central Asians in Regulus, Arabs and Jews in the further Draconis March, etc. etc. etc. Of course there are some exceptions, but those are the broad strokes. Notably exceptions would be Scandinavians deliberately fucking off as far as possible to be left alone, North/West Africans deliberately finding harsh planets to get the Azami. You also seem to have a lot of Americans gravitating to immigrating into the FedSuns probably because they spoke English - so you see a bunch of Midwestern name planets across the Crucis march, and then poor-state planets out on the Periphery.Then you have the Periphery itself which has the least attachment to earth because it was mostly made up of people bailing on the Terran Hegemony or other regions, so they're double-removed from Earth culture.
>>94239806>>94239812Windows originally were just holes in the wall. What's what shutters are for.>>94239822>No spicsIn the Capellan March>PajeetsOne of the founding nations of the FedSuns was the United Hindu Collective>MuslimsThe Azami are a fairly important group in the Combine, of all places>Fr*nchThe FedSuns is officially anglo-french.
>>94240009Yes, insofar as the bondsman doesn't get a choice in the matter. You could use them for sex if you wanted. You could also not. If you have the power to do so, but did not, are they still a sex slave?
>>94239863>implying that canada was ever not americanAnglo Canada was founded by Americans who were too cucked to reject the king, but they were still American.
>>94240033>This is what happens to Yuichi lmfao
>>94240009You can, but the Clans see sex as a casual passtime. Using for somebody for sex is degenerate behavior that shows a lack of morality and personal discipline.Clanners have sex when they want, and they're done with it. It's like working out or something.
>>94239885For a Warrior to fuck a Civilian is considered a little declasse. Like, it's allowed, but it's slumming.
>>94240033>Released in '09You know if it was released today theu would both be men
>>94240073Hey, some people want a taste of the exotic
>>94239932Mass Effect, I think.
>>94240088Bioware is a Canadian company so it checks out.
>>94240055>JewsThere's actually Jews everywhere. They're the second-largest religious group in the LyrCom and are big all over the FedSuns. The Draconis March appears to have received the Israelis specifically.
>>94240105>There's actually Jews everywhere. They're the second-largest religious group in the LyrCom and are big all over the FedSuns. The Draconis March appears to have received the Israelis specifically.It gets even funnier
>>94240113This is probably the single weirdest thing in BT.
>>94240113'Former' state of Israel you say? I'd like to know more.
>>94240066Canadians are historically actually Scottish and Normans LARPing as English and French - plus aboriginals of course. In less urbanized Eastern areas this is still pretty apparent. >>94239932Beyond Mass Effect, Canadian Sci-fi I more associate with cyberpunk/body horror type stuff. Scanners, William Gibson is Canadian. Less zipping about in spaceships but I'm sure it happens.
>>94240128I assume its referring the one world government that was the Terran Alliance. There is no Israel when all of Earth is a nation.
>>94240128They don't really say anything more.
>>94240113Which implies its the most ultra-Orthodox who ended up on Robinson which checks out.It doesn't check out with the Lyran Jews though who seem to be much more of the liberal, secular, American type.
>>94240133>Canadians are historically actually Scottish and Normans LARPing as English and FrenchNo one lived in what would become Upper Canada until the American Loyalist refugees went there. Without it, "Canada" would just be another word for Quebec.
So you can't use NARC and Artemis at the same time/two are incompatible? Also, TAG only works for the arty and specific LRM ammo?
>>94240128The Terran Alliance was a globohomo black helicopter New World Order government and they eradicated all independent nationalism, including Israeli nationalism, which probably was a hell of a powder keg given how they feel about having a homeland. No idea how that made Secular Jews go Catholic though.
>>94240144>It doesn't check out with the Lyran Jews though who seem to be much more of the liberal, secular, American type.Not to mention that Lyran Jews speak Yiddish despite the fact that when BT was invented, the only Jews that still spoke Yiddish were either old or ultra-Orthodox.>Inconsistent lore? In my BattleTech?
>>94240149YesMostly yes. Being TAGged also makes you count as spotted for indirect fire by normal LRMs.
>>94240148Well, and the Maritimes. But you are right there - but later immigration across the region was more from poor places, like Scotland and Ireland. It's a bit muddled because Anglo families long established just started to call themselves "Canadian" post Quebec soverignty question to "promote national unity" (read - to make the Quebecois butthurt because they were the ones who used to call themselves "real Canadians".)
>>94240133Stargate and Star Trek are both heavily Canadian influenced as well. They get their disgusting hands over everything
>>94240057>One of the founding nations of the FedSuns was the United Hindu CollectiveThe UHC actually existed next to the Fed Suns for a long, long time. Some time during the star league, they got folded in as an autonomous region and during the early succession wars, the last bit of their autonomy was written off.If you want founding jeets, then the Regulans and at least one part of the cappies are it.
>>94240171Hmm, does Artemis/NARC work with TAG then? Like, for better cluster and stuffs
So the Mad Cat has the longer history of being the mascot/symbol for the BT than the Atlas?
>>94239799Not the way I'd like to go out
>>94239822>AfricansHot Springs. Deneb Algedi. Sadalbari. The Axumite Providence.>SpicsInglesmond (RIP). Buena. Lopez. Nueva Castile. The Southwest Trinity.>PajeetsNew India. Chahar. Hachiman. The worlds of the former United Hindu Collective.>MuslimsBrasha. Cassias. Dar-es-Salaam. The Azami. The Mosiro Archipelago.>FrenchDieudonné. Paris. Addicks. Graus. Nouveau Toulouse (RIP).
>>94240209Artemis and NARC work neither with each other nor with TAG.NARC also makes something spotted for indirect fire, and Artemis doesn't work with indirect fire.LRMs cannot be both NARC-capable and Semi-Guided.
>>94240228Copy, thanks
>>94240185>>94240188This is my favorite Canadian reference in Battletech. Guess they watched Due South at FASA. >>94240222And if you count Pakistanis you get Bolan too.
>>94240251Woops, didnt upload
>>94240239No problem.In my opinion, NARC is basically objectively better than TAG for LRMs because you only need to NARC something once, and you get a bonus to the rolls. NARC also works for SRMs, for whatever that's worth.Of course, if you're only using TAG for LRMs, you're doing it wrong.Artemis is on the other hand is better most of the time because you don't need an entire other weapons system to make it work.Still, if you're planning on doing a lot of indirect fire, you're going to need to be spotting anyway, so you may as well get the NARC beacon.
>>94240251>And if you count Pakistanis you get Bolan too.And Tamar.
>>94240277I nearly did, but there was never any indication that Tamar was particularly Pakistani outside of the founding family, who were American-Pakistani. Unfortunately, Tamar is easily the province we know the least about. We can sort of guess about Trellshire from its RWR - having a mix of Scandinavians, Scots, Africans and Chinese, but actual Tamar proper has never really been developed beyond the vaguest "Western European".
What's the correct play in this situation?
>>94240306Turn a little to the right.
>>94240055I beleive another issue for Hindu's and Muslim's was that they had religious reasons for not wanting to leave Earth. I don't remember the Hindu reason but for Islam is was having to figure out how to prey towards Mecca when you're lightyears away.
>>94240269Well, lots of mechs I like got Artemis installed, so I was wondering if I could use either TAG or NARC to compliment them.Also, can you just declare 'I swapped out regular LRM ammo loaded on a stock mech with NARC ammo' like you do with Inferno/Smoke or something?
>>94240331Hindus used to believe that leaving India breaks caste. This was an issue during the British Raj when trying to get sepoys to serve in overseas wars.Someone ironic now given the high rates of Indian emigration all over the West, Asia and Middle East
>>94240338>Also, can you just declare 'I swapped out regular LRM ammo loaded on a stock mech with NARC ammo' like you do with Inferno/Smoke or something?Yeah, though I think technically all of those have a small effect on the BV.>>94240341>Someone ironic now given the high rates of Indian emigration all over the West, Asia and Middle EastEspecially because for a long time, those in the US were overwhelmingly Brahmins.Though it's worth noting that the "Black Water" taboo never applied very much in the south.
>Linebacker I mounts 20 fucking machine gunsJesus FUCK, who designed this thing? I think that's the most MGs I've ever seen mounted on a mech before. Is it actually good, or do people only run it as a meme?
>>94240370At that point it's basically like a melee mech. The Piranha seems to be popular and it only mounts 12 MGs.
>>94240262>Judging by names, the Canadians all settled in the Periphery part of the CC and in the Taurian Confederation>Then the Davions stole all the Canadian planets.Was this interior Canadian treachery to return to their English overlords?
>>94240331In the original TRO 3025 there was a Muslim P-Hawk pilot who stopped and looked at the sky five times a day.
>>94240413>>94240105So they made the two bumbling sidekicks to the glorious Space Americans be Canada (Hasek) and Israel (Sandoval?) Makes sense.
>>94240370I mean, up to 20 to-hit rolls, lot of chances to nail something sensitive
>>94240370Funny enough spamming your machine with MGs actually work pretty good for a melee mech, though outside of the piranha I've never seen a canon mech variant that has all that many. It's usually customs.
CLAN BURROCK HAS OFFICAL PAINT SCHEMES! I REPEAT, CANON SCHEMES FOR THE BURROCKS HAVE BEEN ANNOUCNED. ALL 3 CLAN BURROCK FANS ASSEMBLE.
>>94240448Congratulations. They're terrible.
>>94240448>shittiest of all the literally who Clans>gets the sexiest colors schemes
>>94240033I know that story, its Cherry Blossoms in case anyone is wondering.It seems that all great men have the same weakness: Drac pussy
>>94240440I think that Hasek is also Mexico.
What would the median skill values be for the Ghost Bears, by Galaxy? Are they listed anywhere?
>>94240439Yeah I think they made an actual in universe app that lets you locate where terra is from your position so you can prey in the right direction. Or others will substitute just looking east on whatever planet they are on. I'd actually imagine that distinction might cause some disagreements within sects.
>>94240472>tfw no drac gf (white)Deiron my beloved.
Shout out to beloved Canadian acto- I mean First Prince William Shatn- I mean Hanse Davion, God save the Kin- I mean Glory to the Federation!
>>94240455Blood Spirit hands typed this post. >>94240456Burrock hate will not be tolerated. Burrocks are kind, practical Clanners unjustly persecutor by their peers. >>94240476Field Manual: Warden Clans goes over all the Ghost Bear's Galaxies, and their individual clusters skill ratings.
>>94240478Or what to do if it's not aligned with a convenient flat direction from your position. On earth you can just figure out which horizon is close enough, but it's not just wrapped around the far side of the planet when you're in space or on another world.Plus differences in local time vs Terra time.
>>94240501>Burrocks are kind, practical Clanners unjustly persecutor by their peers. >t. made a children's cartoon in order to embed shipping manifests into the video and smuggle them to the dark caste
>>94240501Which repository are the Field Manuals in? I didn't see any of either Wardens or Crusaders.
>>94240448>Clan BurrockMan the writers really did you guys dirty, so dirty I genuinely don't remember this clan at all. What was even the point of introducing almost twenty different clans if they were only interested in writing about like 5 of them?
>>94240561Sacrifices to the others' ascendancy
>>94240558Snord. That one really should be your go-to, it has nearly everything except the really old and obscure stuff.
>>94240033>Withdrawing alone he encounters her back in her mech he had salvaged and she shoots down his mech. When he awakens he is informed he is now her bondsman/sex slave.Was this meant to imply that she's continuing the relationship and they're basically together, or that she's getting even and the Clanner can expect to get pegged on a daily basis from now on?
>>94240581>expecting to get pegged>continuing the relationshipAnon, thats basically the same thing
>>94240547>made a children's cartoonHow very kind. You think the Falcons, or Kerensky help you the Jags are providing children with entertainment? Such care for the young rivals even the Ghost Bears empathy. >in order to embed shipping manifests into the video and smuggle them to the dark caste. Very practical. Conducting a business deal while enriching the Clans future generations. Such efficiency is most Clan like.
>>94240603>providing children with entertainment?All you need to do is have the characters of your cartoon about clanners fighting the evil sphereoids do a brief educational message imparting proper clan values after every episode and you've complied with the rules>knowing is half the battle! The other half is, of course, shocking violence.
>>94240581>Was this meant to imply that she's continuing the relationship and they're basically togetherThis pretty much. She's very into him, and him her. Guy essentially gave up his career for falling in love with a Sphereoid freebrith, and when she puts the bondcord on him, she seems pretty happy about it in a sweet way, not a I'm going to have revenge sex with you way.
>>94240448Wait, is that a pistol akimbo BattleMaster?
>>94240675This, but now she's the one who gets to be on top
>>94240722Yes, the 1Gb. >>94240725Why do you keep bringing this back to pegging anon? Is there something you'd like to tell the class?
What kind of minis could be used for motorized infantry? Armored car with some dudes around it?
>>94240580Ah. Okay then thank you.
>>94240732NTA but a woman can be on top without pegging.
>>94234159Vindicator was one of my first mechs, I still love it.
>>94239920And then we have the X-Men.
>>94240732>Why do you keep bringing this back to pegging anon?Don't look at me, I asked my question and got my answer, that's a different anon. Besides he obviously meant cowgirl, not pegging.
>>94240066>>94240133Canadians are british colonists of North America. The differences between them are smaller than those between the Swiss and the Germans.
>>94239932>If theres many, please give three examples.Lexx RebootMass Effect
>>94240725Reminder that Clanners are known to be sexual deviants who measure their success in a sexual encounter on how much their partner enjoyed it.They are very good lays.
>>94240851>how much their partner enjoyed it.Gay. Real men take what they want, and ensure their own pleasure. Anything the bottom gets out of it is purely coincidence. Their opinions don't matter. Caring about someone else's feelings is for women.
>>94240829And yet they persist in pretending that they're somehow different.Even their national food is actually Fr*nch, because the Anglo-Canadians have no distinct culture.
Was Battletech 6mm scale or 3mm scale?
>>94240988Nominally 6mm, probably creeping to 8mm but never fully consistent anyway.
>>94240918Yup, sounds like Clanners
>>94240988Mechs are roughly 30mm. A Mech is roughly 10m (or a little more).So properly speaking, a person should be 1/5 or 1/6 the size - 6mm is perfect.
How good are elementals? I just gotta ask because I… don’t read a lot of battle reports and the few that I have don’t seem to include them. So just wanted to get a feel for what the true norm is rather than a small observed sample.
>>94240988The models are supposed to be 6mm, but the maps are more abstract (since they only exist as a flat image) and probably closer to 3mm or maybe even 2mm since each hex is 30 meters across and most of the models can lay down all the way across one.The big debate for terrain is if it should be mapscale or mechscale. A mapscale dropship is 7 hexes, but a mechscale dropship is something like 20+ hexes.
So roughly 1 Clan mech = 1.6 IS mech, in terms of balancing out numbers? (1 star vs. 2 lances, 3 Clan mechs vs. 5 IS mechs and so on)
>>94241108Nah. You can't really make these comparisons without accouting for BV.
>>94241091Doesn't it depend on the dropship? Some of the lance carriers can get relatively small, but the Union is always going to be massive. It'd probably be better to buy a 3D printer instead of buying one of the 3D prints people are selling at the prices they have.
>>94241081Theyre okay, theyre mostly used to initiative sink and discourage Mechs from coming in a specific 3-hex radius, because swarm and AM attacks *will* fuck you up if you ignore them
>>94241132As far as the rules are concerned, all dropships have a 7 hex footprint. Or at least all the round ones, not sure about aerodynes.Mech scale terrain is really only useful if you're making dioramas or playing alpha strike. Fitting inside the correct hex footprint is an important part of any terrain you actually play with in CBT.
>>94241108You can spitball lore approximations like "A clan star is equal to 2 IS Lances" but these apply so many caveats it isn't funny. You should balance by BV and try to roughly match numbers to keep initiative from getting too wacky (unless you're experienced players who have no trouble with the multiple activation initiative systems that compensate).>>94241081Elementals are good in close range and are related to the question of IS vs Clan equivalence. Running a few points of Elementals is sometimes a good way to get more tonnage for Clan mechs that would otherwise be far too expensive.
>>94241155Er, BV of clan mechs, not tonnage. In this case they're probably related, but not always.
>Summoner, Timber Wolf, Mad Dog, Hunchback IIC, and Elementalwonder how this CJF cartoon star would perform on tabletop
>>94241193Pretty much as you'd expect. The woofs backline with the LRM/ERLL spam while the Hunchie and Summoner do the close assault. Elementals probably ride the Summoner since most of its shit is in the arms. You've got a pretty nasty combo between the IIC and Malthus' Summoner in particular, since he runs a SSRM-6 instead of the LRM-15, which combined with the LBX makes him a nasty crit hunter for whatever the Hunchie opens up.
>>94240851>Reminder that Clanners are known to be sexual deviants who measure their success in a sexual encounter on how much their partner enjoyed it.Unless you're a serial rapist like Joanna.
>>94240415>>94240438I've got 12 'mechs in the Simple Green right now because of fucking yellow tricking me with its bullshit to such an extent that I have to start completely over. Turns out there's a trick to making yellow work that I didn't know and didn't do, so it's back to the beginning for an entire Company, but I swear I will never go yellow-heavy for anything in the future after this.
Is there any mech that's kind of close to how the Queadluun armor from Macross looks? 3 guns in each arm and one gun in each side torso. Arms both have hand actuators. Jump jets optional.
>>94240603Clan Spaniel is canon.
>>94241321Basecoat pink, then paint yellow over it. I'm not joking. Try iit and you won't be disappointed.
Just as I asked it, I found the Pillager. Doesn't have the gun number on the arms, but it does look reminiscent of the Queadluun.
>>94241346Yeah, I primered in white, basecoated in a darker yellow, then put a lighter midtone yellow on and it turned GREEN. In defiance of both gods and men! I just ordered a bottle of pink for the next go.
Are the claws on the Pillager and Kodiak purely for decoration? Not even a hatchet like YLW?
>>94241367They're representative of the Battlefists quirk both those mechs have.
>>94241367Grants Battlefists quirk
>>94241367The Kodiak and Pillager both have the Battlefist design quirk.>Battlefists: The Hand actuators of a 'Mech with Battlefists have been specially modified for close combat. The Quirk gives a bonus to hit with Punch attacks.
>>94241373>>94241382>>94241384Shame quirks and SPAs are so rarely used
>>94241108In lore, it's about a ratio of 2.5One star is a company, a Trinary is a battalion, a Cluster is a regiment.If you use top-of-the-line Omnis with highly skilled pilots, you can often get to that with BV, but unless you have a really big map, 5 v 12 will go to the Spheroids every time.That said, people in this thread have done a 1/2 Timberwolf and Stormcrow against an equal BV introtech lance, and with enough room to take full advantage of range and mobility, the Clanners win most of the time.Basically, a highly skilled Clan pilot can consistently hit with shots at ranges that the Spheroids simply can't answer. Hell, a Storm crowd can basically backpedal on a constant basis and #rekt anything that can manage to catch up.
>>94241431>That said, people in this thread have done a 1/2 Timberwolf and Stormcrow against an equal BV introtech lance, and with enough room to take full advantage of range and mobility, the Clanners win most of the time.I've done a 3/4 Timberwolf Tukayyid against a lance a couple of times against Princess and it consistently wins.Also, out of the two times I've done "company versus Star", the IS has basically had a lance's worth of undamaged 'mechs every time in the end.
>>94241416It's all about what you play. This is going to sound strange, but quirks are in the same ballpark as nukes: they fundamentally unbalance games so hard that there's no point in even attempting to assign BV to them, keep it in the campaign space where you don't have to worry about competitive issues.
>>94241132Most spheroid dropships are more or less 90m spheres (maybe 80, maybe 100, etc). So terrain-scale, that's 3 hexes across = 100mm more or less (4 inches)."Mech scale", they should be in diametwr roughly 8-10 times the height of a Mech, which makes them more or less a foot in diameter.A leopard is 65m long, 51m in wingspan, and 22m tall. That's 2 hexes long and 2 wide - it would fit in four hexes arranged 1-2-1 on the map.Mech-scale it's about 180cm long (7"), 150cm wide (6"), and 60cm tall (2.5").
>>94241149I use them as speed bumps. Put them on your Omnis, and when enemies get close, drop them off. You'll buy at least one extra turn, and probably two. In the mean time they can do real damage, especially to lights.They're also the only way to field a Star most of the time.
>>94241301They were sibkids, it doesn't count. Most of them don't even end up as Warriors.
>>94241447It's so weird that 1 v 4 consistently goes to the 1 while 5 v 12 consistently to the 12. I guess the 5 can't take as good advantage of their maneuverability, and the 12 can better concentrate fire. A proper company with a scout lance, battle lance, and fire support lance seems like it could concentrate fire to wreck the Clanners one-by-one without too much trouble.
>>94241468>literal Joanna apologismThis has been the worst /btg/ thread in months
>>94241482The 1v4 only goes to the clans when using one of the most optimal 'mechs against a "typical" 3025-era lance (so like, say, Archer, Shadow hawk, Wasp and a Wolverine). In the Star v. Company games, the lighter elements deplete the clans of ammo and armor so when the assaults make it up to brawling range, the clans just don't have the durability to deal with them.
>>94241488Dude, you need to see a psychiatrist who can diagnose you formally with autism.
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>>94239920That explains why nobody has heard of it or cares.
>>94239983So no.
>>94241493I wonder how a Hunchie IIC does against a typical introtech assault - say the AC/10 Highlander, which is about the same BV one the Clanner is made 3/4.
>>94240836>LexxDystopia>RebootHappens entirely in a computer, irrelevant to this conversation.>Mass EffectYes. Though a Cucknadian mindset does not prevail in the writing.
>>94241635What's victory here? Doesn't the Hunchback pilot want to die?
>>94241635If the assault pilot has a brain he just plays keepaway and BTFOs its thin armor.
When 2 mechs with about same bv doing 1 on 1, how much advantage the one with jj have over the one with none?
>>94241635Depends entirely on the map and the deployment. Putting them at 3 hexes and blasting away, the Hunchback would easily win, but if he had to go through a mapsheet while LRM or AC fire, it might be different.>>94241696Technically, and not thinking of "fun gameplay", the faster 'mech will always win, or disengage and not risk it, but the maneuvering required could potentially take tens if not hundreds of turns and would be really fucking boring to play out.
What's not in the BT quickstart rule? Heard it lacks Heat, but anything else?
>>94241696For lights and mediums having jump jets is usually a big advantage. For heavies and assaults they start to weight so much that you'll have to compromise on firepower or armor. Assaults in particular only really benefit from them in extremely uneven or difficult terrain, since their maximum jump distance is usually too low to be worth it for defensive modifiers or to improve their maneuverability much.
>>94237087Mods and jannies hate YOU, Manic, and for good reason. That you won't take hint is your own problem.
Would you rather be toting a hatchet with headcap damage numbers or an AC/20? No TSM.
>>94241730Why is the Highlander rated so high if that's the case?
>>942417721: Because even with the JJ weight, it's still a well-built 95-tonner2: Because there are situations where the JJ are genuinely a good addition3: Signature 'Mech of one of the best SLDF units and one of the best merc groups4: https://youtu.be/lFWqwE65u4c
>>94241792I see, thanks>If only it had half the ammo and more heat sinks and/or MLs instead
>>94241792Another good jumping slow assault is the Marauder II.
>>94241081Consider them like little mobile land mines or area denial tools. Shooting at them feels like shit since they spread damage around and 11 HP per trooper is the perfect amount to cuck most weapons out of a 1-hit kill on a given trooper, so they’re more durable than you might think and probably won’t draw as much fire as mechs. Like others have said though, ignoring them is a great way to get absolutely buttfucked by either swarm or leg attacks. They’re very useful to round out a clan list with some cheap initiative sinks or to park on an objective to discourage anybody coming near it. My suggestions would be if you plan to try them out, take either the MicroPL variants or the AP Gauss variants. MicroPLs have the same range as the regular small laser default toads, but with pulse bonuses, and only cost marginally more BV (like 480 instead of 447). The AP Gauss variants cost 500-something, but their range is 3/6/9 hexes, so they have considerably more reach and don’t need to be standing right under a mech to meaningfully contribute damage. And make sure you bring an omnimech taxi if you can’t deploy them right where you want them.
If you're like 3/5/# assault mech and in the woods with LoS on 2+ mechs, you should just stay there?
JJs would be better on heavier mechs if they gave bonus MP to running distance. 1 jump MP = 0.5 MP rounded up, so a 3/5/3 assault can move 7 hexes for 2 + 3 heat buildup, no jump hit modifier but does get the bonus for moving 7 hexes. Hit modifier for the user is treated as jumping.>whyHa ha highlander go fast
>>94241990Honestly IJJ never really feel worth it. It just feels hard to bother using them when they weigh so much. Like, if you're running a 5/8 mech, you'd only use IJJs over JJs if you want to max out at 5/8/8, otherwise what's the point? Anything less and you might as well just use JJs to save on tonnage, but then that means giving up a huge chunk of your available tonnage and crit slots for it and it's hard to justify the value of that. In the past anons have said that IJJs with partial wing feels like the successor to LAMs, but it feels way too anemic to really accept.
>>94242005IMO IJJs only make real sense on something like an assault mech with a LOT of tonnage to spare. 3/5/5 is far better than 3/5/3.
>>94241940Depends on the mech. A Marauder II, yes. A Marauder II's jets are for avoiding water, surmounting inconvenient obstacles, and turning to send backstabbers to the shadow realm. If you're a Victor (4/6/4 I know but bear with me), then no. Your skin is thin you want to move.
>>94242023>Your skin is thin you want to moveNTA but a noob regardless; how so? With 4/6/4 it would give about the same TMM as a heavy wood. Or is it 'try hiding from LOS' thing?
>>94242005That's the trick, when you use IJJs you're making that your focus over engine and ground speed. To put it another way, 5/8//8 isn't an alternative to 5/8/5, it's an alternative to 6/9/6.
>>94241940Depends on whether I can achieve anything by being there. What are my weapons? What are the enemy's weapons? Is the enemy forced to come towards me because of objectives or not? Lots of things to consider.
>>94242069Breaking LOS is often worth moving for. In the case of a Victor, you can't stand up to a lot of attention even on bad numbers and your job is to bully the enemy's movement to keep them away from an AC20, anyway. Quite a number of 3/5 machines can indeed just stand in some cover and shoot from there, though some are going to be wasted in that - an Atlas, for example, doesn't have the range to profit by it. Not the AS7-D, anyway. Other mechs which are slow profit by advancing on a foe if at all possible. The Stalker is one, it wants to ideally bring every bracket to bear with time. But an Awesome? A Mad 2? A -7Q Longbow? Hell, even a -3S Banshee? Park 'em.
Hmm
>>94242177I always wish it had gone this way instead so we could have gotten some interesting Marik focus.
>>94242177>a setting without CrapellansWe could only have been so lucky.
>>94242177>CJF vs. Canopus & FWLneat
>>94242177>smoke fags attempt their terror tactics against the Taurians>Taurians chimp out and slam to full throttle NBC warfare>occupied worlds are a nightmare of constant terrorist attacks>FedSuns and Taurians burying the hatchet in the interest of dealing with a mutually intolerable enemyThat would've been kino. Captured Clanners in extermination camps. Ahh, if only.
Kickstarter order finally shipped. Allegedly will be here Tuesday.I have to decide actual units for all these fucking mechs.
>>94239199I say this as a Dracfag, but that's literally the whole point of my faction.Any time we seem to be doing well it's the precursor to getting Worfed by the Suns, the Lyrans, or the Bears to show who really has the biggest dick.>>94239650Almost 300 years have passed.According to linguists, the current middle American accent is pretty close to how Brits spoke in the colonial era. Your accents froze in time, theirs diverged.Many Clans have another language from their founders and many speak Russian so they can read and understand the original writings of the Kerenskys. It's not that surprising. As a further meta reason, they want the Clan characters to seem alien so using a foreign accent is a quick way of signalling that.
>>94239746I got the feeling that Wimmer didn't like how shit had gone down either and recognised that Mia's actions stemmed from that. Your Star was chosen for her Cluster on the basis of four cadets making it into the Warrior caste, which is wildly fucking unlikely and shows just how good you and your gene matching is. Entire Sibkos was out and the final pass rate is around 2% most of the time. The game doesn't really discuss this but as BT players that's a pretty huge fucking deal. The only other Sibko I know of that had a pass rate like that is the one Evantha Fetledral, Vlad Ward, Ranna Kerensky, and Carew Nygren.The PC star are basically like the once in a generation sports team that dominates for a decade.
>>94241639Mass Effect is extremely Canadian in its passive aggressive cuckoldry
>>94242324Even the guy who didn't make it was because of CERPPC to cockpit BATTLETECH moment, wasn't it?
>>94242324Others have pointed out that Wimmer just seems to be constantly on the verge of bursting into tears and is full of self-doubt, like when she allowed herself to be choked out by the saKhan as part of surkai.I would actually think this is a sign the character is well-written and acted if this was supposed to be reflective of someone unsuited for command being put in a highly stressful situation, but the latest video interview with the voice actor doesn't seem to indicate this, and it's just how she normally sounds unlike Perez's actor who is clearly aware of what his character is supposed to be and is hamming it up to high heaven
>>94242298>According to linguists, the current middle American accent is pretty close to how Brits spoke in the colonial era. Your accents froze in time, theirs diverged.Received Pronunciation is an artificial dialect imposed on the English by their elitist Anglo-Norman overclass in the southeast.
>>94242359IIRC Mia loses it after Liam appears (DLC bait?) to be killed. Wimmer knows that going back for one man is a waste of resources but acknowledges he was a fine warrior.>>94242384I think that's just weird animation. They all look like someone has a leaf blower directed at their mouth 24/7.My take is that Wimmer is like the PCs but a generation or so older. She can see the jaguars are fucked up and that they need to change direction, but also knows that most of them are spergs who will conga line challenge her if she tries to do much, so she keeps pushing around the edges to try and shift things in a more favourable direction and hoping that more reasonable warriors will fall in line behind her.There is about to be a bit of a resurgence in that sense with Brandon Howell after Tukayyid- everything was in the balance when Weaver died and Osis seemed to be dead and the more moderate Jags got their shit together.But then Osis turned out to still be alive, and they stacked the mass Trials of Bloodrights held after Tukayyid with aggressive Crusaders then purged the remaining moderates, leaving only the terminally retarded after about 3055.
>>94242359Liam is stated to be the most talented of the bunch, even more than Gayden the PC, but so full of resentment over having to live up to being named after the founder of their bloodhouse that he purposely goes against authority as much as he can get away with
>>94242428>>94242384Also, props to whoever did Perez. I fuckin' hated him the moment he opened his mouth for the first time and I didn't even know he was going to be Edo guy.
>>94242431Jayden says that to try and encourage him, but he also says similar things to Nasir who clearly didn't have the chops and knew it.Jayden is the one who got two kills in his TOP. He's the better of the two at combat and tactics, but Liam is better at intel and analysis. He might have been more useful at higher command levels than Jayden who is clearly better at punching teeth in, but we'll never know now.
>>94242005Play the Stupid Hawk F in dense terrain and then say IJJs aren't worth it. 8 jump, SFE, max armor, and it can deal about 60 damage per turn, some of it pulsed. Even when you can get LOS to the fucking thing, a +4 mod with a woods mod on top of it is a bitch of a nut to crack. Every time I see it I have my hatred for the Battle Pope renewed.
>>94241081Very Dangerous, but they have to be delivered correctly. If you can get a good carrier (Fire Moth is the stereotype, but Vipers and Grendels are also really good ime) and you can pick your targets right (Assaults or Heavies in restrictive terrain usually) they can basically be a free mech kill with leg attacks, and punch many times above their BV value. That's not to say they're totally broken though. Well, no more broken than any other Clan tech. Once they get their kill, or worse miss the window to kill, they are essentially slightly mobile land mines that won't be able to keep pace with the rest of the battle. They are also vulnerable to Inferno missiles, so if you get in the crosshairs of a Commando or Javelin, it's approximately two turns till you toast.
>>94242428>>94242431I think Liam becoming MIA ia an obvious DLC bait and he'll be the protagonist for the DLCs instead of Jayden, given that his person story is pretty much concluded either route. Guessing Liam will be picked up by Comstar and go for Tukayyid and shits
A mercenary company recruited from a pool of disaffected sibko washouts and solahma from liberated occupation worlds called the 'Never-Born.'
Mackenzie Wolf looks and acts like Ned Flanders
>>94242177Why do the suns have the Fedcom logo rather than the Fed Suns Logo? Otherwise yeah I would have fucking loved this timeline. So much.
>>94239746Trials are supposed to be the end of the feud. It's resolved, now you let it go. Of course in practice, Clans have feuds with each other going back centuries, and their are intense rivalries within the Clan itself, so there may be some fallout, but Emilie doesn't seem like that kind of Clanner. She seems like she wants to get to Terra with as little autism as possible, and feuding with a fresh cadet who was upset they didn't go back and save her boyfriend is a waste of effort. You do bring up a good point that the Smoke Jaguars don't feel like Smoke Jaguars. I really feel like they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to be the ruthless Smoke Jaguar warriors tearing everything apart, but they also didn't want the PC's to be the brainwashed massacre happy child super soldiers the Smoke Jaguar training regime should have forged them into. Like, the backlash to Perez bombing Edo felt very forced. They definitely did the right thing and had Weaver focus on how it made the Jags look to the other Clans, but she felt far to preachy about it, and Perez loosing his command felt too much like deliberate demotion and not enough of the opportunism that it actually was. The star constantly whining about how put upon the poor civilians are is also really wack. Like, your Clan was founded on raping and razing cities, why do you give a solitary fuck about the civilians outside of their utility to you? Ismaril, Hoyt, Perez, and late game Mia were the only characters I felt were truly Smoke Jaguars. The other's felt too soft, or not Clan like at all. If they wanted to do a "conflicted Clan" story, they should have gone with Clan Ghost Bear, and have that be the choice you make. Do you back the growing Warden faction and be kind to the Sphereoids you're invading, or do you remain a Crusader and continue the march to Terra? It would have to end on Tukayyid though, and that's for the DLC's.
>>94242519>Hi-diddily-ho Jaguarinos! Have you opened your hearts to the teachings of Kerensky?
>>94239650Speaking of accents, it's a bit odd how Perez is supposed to be a spic but he's voice acted by an Australian and sounds vaguely Asian, while Wimmer is acted by a Latina but sounds like an American southerner
>>94242519He gets the worst treatment of just about any named character in the setting.
>>94242611The voice acting in general was all over the place in Clans. Not just in terms of VA performance but sound quality as well.
>>94241792Highlander is 90 tons. Sheesh.
>>94239779>>94239765>>94242555 Couldn't she or Jayden have offered to let themselves get choked out the same way Wimmer herself did after Edo? Would that have been satisfactory?
>>94242555I'm about as anti-Jag as it comes (and was the first to say "Jag harder" here many, many moons ago) but honestly, it worked for me.You have your hardline fuck knuckles like Perez and Weaver who just want to build pyramids of skulls, along with true believers like Weaver and Mia who believe that honour and strength prove the might of the Clan and that it's beneath them to engage in massacres when they should be focusing on the true enemy. Then you've got Ezra and Liam who point out that just leaping blindly into war to prove you have the biggest dick is a great way to get get your dick snipped off. Rounding up the rear you've got Naomi, who shows you that unless you pick a path and stick to it, you're going to wind up on the shit heap and achieve nothing because everyone will hate you.They're strong crusaders but there is, for that brief moment, enough of a moderate movement that they could reign it in to Falcon levels of Crusader rhetoric. Unfucking their lower castes is a much bigger ask and would take decades of dedicated reform, but they aren't irredeemably evil. Yet.Then you get the twin disasters of Luthien and Tukayyid, which either intentionally or unintentionally leads to the purging of virtually everyone with a functioning brain, and they triple down on being morons. After that point they are almost all irredeemable- you get the odd bastion of common sense like Trent and his fellow Solahma, but for the most part they are just promoting the most mindlessly bloodthirsty into command posts and antagonising everyone from their own civilians to other Clans to the IS non-stop, which leads to their demise.
>>94241321I just did a white base and then a coat of yellow, heavy black wash panel lining, a coat of yellow, gunmetal panel lining, a coat of yellow, and then a tiny black panel lining. Also, black, gunmetal, black, gunmetal, chrome. Picreldo u like my monoeye? :3c
>>94242707derp. meant to post this one.
>>94242005moving really far each turn regardless of terrain is fun
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>>94242657I didn't really feel that throughout the game. I felt there were 3 factions, hardliners like Perez, Weaver, and late game Mia, who are Jagging to the extreme. Then you have idealists like Hoyt, and early game Ezra and Mia, who genuinely think that the hidden hope doctrine will save humanity and restore the paradise of the Star League. And then there are realists like Wimmer and Liam, who support the Clan, but know that Jagging all over the place is counter productive and are trying to keep things moving as smoothly as possible. The problem is that it doesn't feel like one party has total dominance over the other, but we're told that the Perez party has too much influence to be challenged. And yet we see Perez straight out demoted as punishment, and we're told that he's been made a pariah for his actions. Yet no one can challenge him over his brutality? It just feels really incongruous, with everyone behaving like the Clan is divided, but everyone saying that the Perez party is a monolith that stamps out all opposition. I really feel like there needed to be more Character moments with Wimmer and Hoyt to flush out those more moderate stances. Have Jayden go to Wimmer in private and talk to her about supporting a challenge against them, but she rejects him, saying something to the effect of "you're right that the Clan needs to change, but we can't afford the infighting that will result from that with the invasion on. We need to close ranks, and keep pushing." Meanwhile Hoyt could be a bit of a mentor to Jayden like he was in that very good scene during the Mia ending, relaying his own experiences in the Clan and why he believes what he believes.
>>94242807The fact that Perez is only demoted to Star Colonel and loses his galaxy command through a regular challenge instead of being shitcanned and taken out back to be shot, after such a catastrophic fuck up kind of indicates there is at least a large section of clanners that view his actions as legal and correct
Is it just me or is the executioner dogshit?It has the same weapons, armor and speed of a Heavy, yet somehow it's a 95 ton Assault? Is there anything that doesn't make it dogshit? Does the MASC save it?
IMO the Warden route needed at least couple more missions building up to that choice; Just one random choice change of heart feel really rushed
>>94242849Yeah, it's not great compared to most other Clan assaults. Even Clantech can't completely eliminate the curse of the fast assault mech.
>>94242177Wasn't there a whole thing where it was outright said that if the clans had invaded from the south of the Inner Sphere they wouldn't have been able to settle into occupation zones because the IS south is such a tarpit that the Cappies would die but take pretty much everything with them as they salt the earth to spite the clanners? All while the other surrounding factions, being far more battle hardened on these borders compared to the canon invasion rout the Clans took, would box in and smash the weakened clan invaders.It's a neat map, I'm just saying the clans probably wouldn't be occupied anywhere near that deep in IS space because it's way harder to fight down there than the northern borders they took in canon, which was relatively more peaceful and mercantile.
>>94242923Are you making the arguement that the cappies and FWL are harder than the dracs?
>>94242807Perez is demoted to Star Colonel and then placed in command of the whole OZ.The point Jayden makes is that he can challenge him and, frankly, based on what you overcome as the PC, it's entirely believable that you will beat the shit out of him.There are, however, two problems. First, Perez is Bloodnamed. He does not have to honour a challenge from the Unblooded. Secondly, he's the challenged party and we don't really know how good he is fighting unarmed. Jayden might be able to curb stomp him in a 'Mech, but you don't stay at the upper levels unless you can beat ass.And last but not least, the majority of the Clan feels that Perez didn't even do anything wrong and that he was demoted to appease the whiny bitches outside of the Smoke Jaguars, so even if Jayden does win he's stuck at his substantive rank of Star Commander, Unblooded, and vulnerable n+1 challenges ranging from Trials of Grievance to Refusal to Possession until someone finally punches his ticket to the afterlife. He doesn't have the rank or political capital to survive the aftermath of a challenge to Perez, if he even survives that challenge. For all we know, the Cluster tech could fuck up Jayden's 'Mech the same way Phillip did to Trent's.Agreed that more characterisation would have been better but I think the broad strokes are still there. The biggest problem is that I arrived at my position based on what I know about BT lore, which is not present in the game. That's kinda an issue.>>94242849It's the Banshee IIC, basically. But yes, it's pretty shit. MASC when you can already jump 4 is questionable, it should really be one or the other. Ferro over Endo just seals the deal. The torso armour is problematic in the extreme.The issues with the base chassis are compounded by most of the configs shitting the bed. The A, F, and TC are pretty good, the D is arguable, and the rest are cooked.
>>94242548I believe there was a brief period where the FedSuns continued as a rump FedCom after the Lyran Alliance happened.
>>94242923The Clans already faced and defeated worse.All this really does is put the Jags and Taurians on a collision course. Peak TDF got bent over and reamed out by a second-rate merc company. Pretending they would prevail against the Jags is completely asinine. The Taurians would pull some atrocity against the Jags, the Jags would glass their worlds, and the rest of the Clans would collectively look at the situation and go "You know what? These are the shitfaggots who gave Amaris the opportunity to destroy the Star League. They have always been like this. Not a single thing of value has been lost."
>>94242849The EXE would be so much better if it was 80t for 1t jumps. Being 95 and going 4/6 is also horrible horrible, the last few bumps (380~400) for engines are awful awful. 400 rated engines are a massive tonnage investment.With that said, the Executioner fucks severely. Just... 8t fixed JJ + MASC + long ranged weapons make the BV explode. MASC(/speed) has a big BV tax and when you combine that with jumps it gets super painful. These issues are present in _any_ fast assault.
>>94242923Had the Clans invaded from south they'd have hit the Fedsuns, the most powerful state in the IS with plot-armor greater than even the Wolves. That wouldn't have ended well for them.
I’m getting a bit confused by something here:So I went and looked up some of the stats for infantry platoons and ground vehicles and I’m seeing something odd (and my copy of total warfare is in the mail, so I thought I’d ask for clarification here):So when you buy infantry, you get a 28-man platoon, and that platoon is about 3 tones of duders and equipment. Okay, fine. Except every APC I look up reads that it has a 1-ton infantry bay. Now I admit that I am no mathematician, but I’m pretty sure 3 is more than 1 so for me the math ain’t mathing. How does a 3-ton platoon fit into 1-ton of space? Especially if this was before (or if you simply aren’t using) the tactical operations book (which I know introduced the concept of dividing up single platoons into smaller 7-man fire teams).
>>94243038Until the Year of Peace, the Falcons and Wolves fucked FedSuns units up every bit as hard as they did FRR and Lyran command ones.The Jags won the opportunity to hit the Dracs because they were *better* at fighting than the Falcons.
>>94243038Eh they'd have easily drilled through the cap com and fwl, wouldn't even have been hard. The clan who pulled fed suns would get stuffed sure, but the rest of the clans who didn't have feddies as their invasion corridor would have absolutely sailed towards terra.
>>94243047Heavy APCs can carry a full platoon. With regular APCs you either have to use them for smaller infantry units or use the TacOps/Techmanual rule that lets you split a platoon into multiple squads for transportation.
>>94243038Would this change anything if its the Jags?
>>94242961Perez being left in the OZ is in and of it's self an insult. All Bloodnamed warriors get to go home for the ilKhan election, Perez getting left behind is yet more humiliation for him. Yes it grants him a lot of power until the Armada returns, but him not getting to come back tells us that he lost a lot of standing in the Clan. I agree that in lore, nobody in the Jags thought that Perez was particularly out of line, and we hear about atrocities continuing just like before when the invasion resumes. But we don't see that in game. All we see is Weaver mad at him, Wimmer making withering comments towards him, and the PC's star decrying him. This all circles back around to the fact that the Clan we see doesn't feel like Smoke Jaguar. In lore, Jayden would get chain challenged until someone killed him. But in the game, the warmest feeling we see towards Perez is brow-beaten obedience or apathy. In lore, no one in CSJ felt that Perez did anything wrong. But in the game, people are openly hostile towards him. I agree that, with foreknowledge of lore, the game has the broad strokes of what you're saying. But that is the issue. The game shouldn't make you read up on the Smoke Jaguars to understand the plot. This also contributes to a LOT of expositional dialogue, which can feel like it's winking at the audience half the time.
>>94243084NTA, but I don't see how.The Jags were literally slaughtering veteran Drac units so badly that only a company or so was able to evac, using a Trinary or two Binaries of 'Mechs.A lot is made of Hanse but he was already in command of the AFFC and fighting blind in canon. It's not until Outreach and the Dragoons revealing what they knew that he was able to see how badly the Invasion had hit the Lyrans, much less other Houses.Even after the Year of Peace allowed him to refit elite Suns units and shift them to the Clan front, the Falcons and Wolves were tearing through them like a band saw through cotton candy.
>>94243131It's only Ezra and Jayden who are any kind of hostile to Perez on the basis of what he did. Mia is for a little while then gets over it. Everyone else is concerned more with his reprisal making the Jags look weak for being unable to handle their civilians.He's left behind because he has the skills required to manage the OZ as a former Galaxy Commander.You could say that he's being punished, but I'd say that he's being given an opportunity to rehabilitate himself and return to good standing. Weaver seems happy with his efforts when she gets back.
Today I realized that the Marians may be Irish, but they don't even rever the mother of our Lord and Saviour.
>>94243066Ah, I see.
>>94243017Plus if you're playing an orthodox clanner, you can't do the amazing rat trick fast assaults exist for - laying on hands.
>>94242989>Peak TDF got bent over and reamed out by a second-rate merc company. Peak TDF gave the SLDF its longest, bloodiest war ever.
are taurianboos the battletech version of rhodiboos?
>>94243438contrary to what the Tex warhammer video told you, The 9 waves were planned from the start and not the result of 9 star league armies getting destroyed. You don't conquer a multisystem government all at once. The SLDF did get its nose bloodied a bit in the first 2 years but then it turned into the same curbstomp the rest of the periphery was subjected to.
>>94243527OK, but the conquest of the Concordat was still the longest, bloodiest war the SLDF ever fought. So I'm not sure what point you think you're making.
>>94243541>OK, butyour side lost, just move on bro.
>>94243503Not really enough similarities. They're more like... Argentinians maybe? They blooded the nose of their opponents, punched way outside their weight class, but ultimately still lost. FRR or St. Ives would be closer to Rhodesia since they were conquered and lost their sovereignty.
>>94242177>every fart-huffer on Reddit tripping over themselves to meme about how the Taurians would be impossible to conquer because muh nuuuuuukes, muh inconquerable space-TexasGet fucking real, the second the Taurians open the field to nuclear weapons, the Jags just glass every one of their planets from orbit. Taurians at their peak held off the SLDF until the SLDF got bored and went home, and the clans are SIGNIFICANTLY more dangerous than the SLDF, not going home, and the Taurians are not even close to their peak by 3050. They would get absolutely assfucked, throw a nuke out of desperation, and then get ground into paste by the Jags and maybe even the rest of the clans. Last time somebody pulled out nukes on the clanners, they annihilated an entire clan so fucking bad that they won't even talk about their fucking mascot anymore; by the time the invasion is over, 'cow' would be a word that gets you punched in the throat.
>>94241488Okay Hitler.
>>94243552My side? I'm not a factionfag. I'm just pointing out you're wrong.
>>94243569>>94243503The Taurians are Finland. They even had their own Winter War with the Capellans.
>>94243576>>every fart-huffer on Reddit tripping over themselves to meme about how the Taurians would be impossible to conquer because muh nuuuuuukes, muh inconquerable space-Texashttps://youtu.be/8YsiYNJFyQQ?si=pHFsuAeq3fkWAjQn&t=2272 I unironically blame Tex. He puffs them up so much in this video meanwhile you go read up on it and it was only really a fight up to the 3rd wave and everything after that was a slow and steady cleanup operation
>>94243576>Last time somebody pulled out nukes on the clanners, they annihilated an entire clan so fucking bad that they won't even talk about their fucking mascot anymoreWhat the fuck are you on about? Clan Widowmaker got absorbed into Clan Wolf. The only reason it wasn't a bloodless takover was because the Khan panicked and vaporized Nicky K
>>94243576Wolverines won, though. Successfully conducted a fighting withdrawal. The moratorium on speaking of them was because Nicky was furious that he didn't get his way.
>>94243588He used bro in an internet argument, nothing he says matters and you don't have to waste time on him anymore.
>>94243541>Longest Only by virtue of being the strongest force in a 4 front war, which will naturally slow down Offensive action until other theaters can be mopped up and more force brought to bear>Bloodiestlmao>>94243527That video was so shit on so many different levels. How it's his most popular I'll never guess.
>>94243636People who's only source of battletech lore are tex videos don't understand how bad the lore is in tex videos.
>>94243422If I'm 95 tons and I can go 5/8, I'm gonna charge you. >>94243636picrel
>>94243576>complains about redditors>reddit spacespottery
>>94243636Amaris Civil War is second place in battle casualties. You don't get to count Amaris killing his own civilians en masse.
so far Mech5 Clans is kinda eh, shootign stuff fun, but the balancing and plot of the characters feel off. Only thing that really hits the point is, that brining Ammo based weapons is fucking ass against the IS wave tactics lmao
>>94243656I hate this language so much
>>94243753It's terminally online women. It's always terminally online women.
>>94243762Not women. Feminized men, such as yourself
New thread? New thread!>>94244023
