Koma's Return EditionPrevious: >>94269595>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQThoughts on commanders with inbuilt protection?
Gay Bolas
>>94273696>Thoughts on commanders with inbuilt protection?I think it's based because it makes losers like this >>94273701piss and shit themselves because they can't remove it instantly for 2 mana
>>94273696>TQbased
>>94273711Don't be mean to Bolas he just wants Ugin to fill him with white mana.
>>94273696Ward should never have a number above 2 next to it and that's a fact
>>94273721Why?
i don’t understand. is this supposed to be a fun play pattern? ramp cast it. someone spends their whole turn removing it. ramp. cast it again. wotc is shit at game design.
>>94273696Koma will forever make me think of this
>>94273696>TQall Commanders should get a blanket ward effect
>>94273759>1 mana removal now costs 5 mana>anything that can cheat it out, a billion methods in simic colors btw, negates the high casting cost so it might as well be a 0 cost 8/12>thematically no reason for such a high ward ability
>>94273721It's just Hexproof that you can turn off for a cost, lmao.Yeah, sure - with number so high it pretty much is a Hexproof in 9/10 cases but occasionally you'll have that 6 mana. And because this fucker is so big and expensive it's fair - they gonna pay more than 6 to bring him back and he's not really giving any immediate advantage, it's just big, dumb beater.
>>94273696>overstat hard to kill creature that makes a million addstruly 'groundbreaking' simic design, thank you wotc this will go great in my ug creature deck
>yet another “unga bunga me turn sideways and smash” Simic monster>anons losing their mind because they can’t tap one Plains to exile itget a fucking grip
>>94273696Regular protection is fine. Derevi is busted though. lol
>>94273931I'm fine as long as they stay expensive do-nothings like Progenitus but I know fat fuck Mark won't be able to help himself for long.
>>94273696You would have to be a drooling lobotomite to think this card is interesting
Should I build him?
>>94274014>bad in competitive>hated in casualJust build any of the other ones.
>>94273717I will be mean, he's grixis which means he's an annoying cunt by default
hmm this dudes pretty cool looking tho hes not a crazy card which is okay i guess, what direction would you take if you had to play him? seems like landfall might be the go-to strat but i want some other opinions
>>94273960Midwit's don't understand the simple elegance of timmy cards.
>>94273931worst part is the card is bad and won't see play but that won't stop retards from crying about ward like a boogeyman
FUCK WARD, ALL MY NIGGAS HATE WARD
>>94274100>Guy that gets bigger if you play lands and plays lands when you attack Dunno bro, maybe play some lands in your deck
>>94274112That's not an example of simple elegance
>>94274126okay i will do 99 forests
>>94274133>No Lost in the WoodsPussy
Ban mana crypt in vintage
>>94274014Any Commander that is over 4CMC is kinda ass
>>94273958>expensive creatures shouldn't be goodthank god Mark is making you losers cryisland pass isn't interesting, kill yourself
>>94273696I am more fine with cards like these if they aren't legendary. That they will keep recurring almost every turn (because it's green) is the real annoying part and like another anon sad an unfun play pattern.Protected commanders like this and commanders that pay their commander tax by themselves with an entering effect are the ones I hate the most.
post irl decks
Who's the most based Gruul commander?
Fourty (40) starting life is objectively superior to thirty (30)
>>94274168i havent built/brewed a new deck in over a year, its depressing
>>94274168I don't have a good camera
>>94274168You go first for once. Edit: at least go second for once. >>94274181Too late
>>94274162Of all the things to be worried about being recurred, timmy creatures are the least of my worries. Simic control recurring cyclonic and counter spells endlessly is fucking miserable.
>>94274141now, forever.
>>94274175Ruric Thar, without question. He punishes every problem card in the game and doesn't let you be a pussy about combat.
>>94274175S O V L coming through meep meep
>>94274201>picked up his ace in rage-blind vengeance.>looks like he's about to finish filling out his tax formslmao, why is mtg art and flavor text always so terrible
>>94274250*Axe>inb4 you lost because of pic related
>>94274250>"Some people like dogshit flavor text, so we're going to keep making it">~Mark Rosewater
>>94274257>filling out his axe formsThey have the ATF in gruul?
>>94274260>>94274250It's sovl, still don't get why retards are misspelling soul with a "v" instead of a "u"
>>94274262It's the Azorius guild, and gruul hates them almost as much as I hate the ATF in our world.
>>94274262What's an atf? Is that an acronym from a newly leaked set?
>>94273867What seething will the new Koma cause? People trying to swords it with one mana?
>>94274295No seething. It's barely an inconvenience.
>>94274181>old borderbased af. shit looks great.
>>94274304Thanks for wasting your Mindbreak Trap on that shitty green creature. lmao
>>94274155>Why yes I want Atraxa, Grand Unifier to also be uncounterable with Ward 4>Wait wtf why has the whole game devolved into cheating it out using cards that assume there's an upper limit to how effective a creature can be?
>>94274359No problem buddy.
>>94274359>wastinglmao
>>94273696>>Precons>https://magicprecons.comWhats a good precon to gift someone that knows the basics? The starter precons look shitty, but I don't want to give them some 20 minute turn spell slinger dungeon venturing jank as their first commander deck either.
>>94274406Unless you know they like a tribe anything will do honestly
>>94274193>6 damage for non creature spellsWOOF that's hilarious. "Oh you have more than 3 non creatures in your deck? PACK UP BUD YOURE OUTTA HERE!"
>>94274406Ur-Dragon should be everyone's first precon.
>>94274387better than the control v control shitfest we have nowcounterspells are cancer, kill yourself
>>94274441>Control v Control>Commander>In-fact, literally any format right now
>>94274392>>94274399be honest anon, how often do you get smashed by timmy?
>>94274443yes anon, every cedh deck is 30 counterspells+ thoracleyou should be tortured to death
>>94274441Except counterspells are the best and often only answer to cheating out a creature with cancer levels of inbuilt protection. Every other color is what gets screwed by Ward 4.
>>94274449interesting delusionanyway, the game will continue to move towards creatures and away from spells because creatures are cool and counterspell is cringe
>>94274447In response I tap an island and stifle your trigger.
>>94274455and then you'd just get countered, and lose to the thoracle because that's how cedh games play out
>>94274454This mentality is what unironically caused red to become the best color in 3 formats now and it turns out people don't actually like it because aggro is braindead.
>>94274458I tap two islands and Trickbind your trigger.
>>94274434Hmm ya good idea thanks. I'll probably pickup whatevers cheapest from the Lost Caverns.
>>94274447>it's another episode of "guy who has no idea what the fuck cedh is talks about it like he's some kind of expert"please change the channel
>>94274468Post your cedh deck. Timestamp as well obviously. Pic or it didn't happen
>>94274463you've never won doing this, don't pretend
>>94274493I just did.
>>94274495No, you didn't. That's why you have to post fake interactions in this thread because your pathetic fantasies never work out in your real gamesI bet your table despises you and you still aren't the biggest threat, because you're a shitter
Nu koma isn't good like how old koma isn't good, but hes an annoying pubstomp commander played by fat fucks with an ego that are too stupid to play a proper competitive deck. I don't want another gay simic pubstomp commander running around thats going to make me pull out a cedh deck because some fag decided to ruin my jank night.>uncounterable and ward 4 in the colors of counterspells and target creature has hexproofMore annoying than old komas indestructible tentacle sac
>>94274504>pub stomperif you're playing with cards from exclusively 2012 maybe he isotherwise he's a shit commander that won't beat anyone
>>94274168i always post Coram, so I'll post Sidar this time
>>94274504Nah, new koma is so much worse than old koma.I do agree that simic control decks are very lame though.>I'm going to ramp and draw so much that I'll be able to beat you all late game>Why are you guys attacking me!?
>>94274514>worse than old koma>no control elements>has to attack and actually get through to get anything at all>nothing to do with those tokensit's worse, anon
What's some good commander recs if I just want to dome people with huge Blazes?
>>94274502Cry all you want your trigger still didn't resolve.
>>94274509>he's a shit commander that won't beat anyoneI guarantee this general will by crying about their decks getting their shit pushed in by nukoma a month after he comes out. I'm just dreading having to filter out all the fotm koma decks on the nights I want to play jank.>>94274514I personally find old koma easy to deal with since he has no built in defense against exile or non destroy removal and he can be removed with a little pod coordination.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94274541Rowan
>>94274131'member when Vivien was shaping up to be Planeswalker Steve Irwin, before she turned out to just be really bland powerful archer lady? Good times.
>>94274270The bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. It's the government body in charge of gun registration and whatnot. Don't ask me why they also deal with alcohol and tobacco because I don't know.
>>94274586It's an holdover from Prohibition.
>get promised lots of new demons in the foundations set for my demon tribal deck>0 revealed so far
>>94274250>>94274260Jesus, zoomers have terrible taste.
>>94274534Uh, thanks for agreeing with me?>>94274555In what pod is a 6/6 indestructible easier to remove than an 8/12 with ward 4? lolOld koma turns off most removal. New koma makes you pay 4 for targeted removal.The common cards I can think of that are worse are Path, Solitude, Swords, Reality Shift, Resculpt, Baleful Mastery, Deadly Rollick, and Chaos Warp.The common cards I can think of that are better are Bovine Intervention, Generous Gift, Get Lost, Stroke of Midnight, Unwanted Remake, a lot of white board wipes, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, Bitter Triumph, Fell the Profane, Infernal Grasp, Snuff Out, a lot of black board wipes, Pyroblast, Red Elemental Blast, B act, and I guess some green fight cards.
>>94274710>he thinks indestructible is a strong keywordHexproof-lite>indestructible
>>94274710>In what pod is a 6/6 indestructible easier to remove than an 8/12 with ward 4? lolSwords to Plowshares and Path of Exile are the most common single-target removal spells.
>>94274100uuuuuuuh lands?
>>94274694why did you dismantle yours?i binnend mine after bumbleflower. the main gameplan is Control with her, but the payoff and wincon through beatdown and maybe commander damage made my Falco list feel to samey
>>94274100>do thing draw card put land in to play is now mono G
>>94274694I really like the foiling on these. The gold embossed bits on the side stand out so well. I wish more showcase rares did some kind of unique border and foiling style.
>>94274100play the best mono G lands deckshe might be the most fun lands commander overall
>>94274808Heard you talking shit
>>94272379>Mana Severance>Goblin Charbelcher >If you reveal no land cards, Goblin Charbelcher deals damage equal to the number of cards revealed, and then you may order your library as you likei fucking need to do this.Best commanders for this feel? bonus points if similar bullshit is possible in this list
>>94274829been thinking of making a deck with belcher where all the lands are mdfcs
>>94274829You don't need Mana Severance. Oops All Spells is viable in commander because there are 50 cards with nonland front faces that you can play as lands.
>>94274824>ya just play your land Ramp and immediatly get your payoff like a good birthday boy>no worries, these tokens are even hard to block because they burn on death too!>borderline Simic in terms of value and safe horninessvs>you need both ramp and find ways to sacrifice them to make Titania work, actual deckbuilding required>have to carefully find a window to throw the very lifeline, that keeps you in the game, out the window to overrun your opponents>each time you sac a land for a mediocre vanilla body you choke yourself out a bit>high risk, high reward>on the edgeoverall i'd recommend Omnath to a new player any day of the week, but there is no comparing to the thrill of eating your entire landbase
>>94274862i'd rather not fill my entire landbase with either tapped lands or burn2untap ones, plus "oops all x" is cringe, and i already have two 5c commanders.what would run with this no lands build?
>>94274874>Eating your entire landbaseYou run fetchlands and Crucible effects. What's hard about that?
>>94274924Whatever you want. You said you wanted to do Charbelcher and I pointed out an easy way to achieve that. Why is a 2-card combo less cringe than running a wacky manabase?
>>94274829What would you even do with this deck though? If you play T3 belcher T4 kill a player, you'll either get focused to death instantly or just win in the next two turnsI like the idea but it seems unfun in practice
>>94274928try to win the game with one or two 5/3s you pop out a turn and you'll see, plus you cant sac em all that way
GORGONCHADS STAY WINNING
>>94274940Yeah, Belcher is not a fun EDH deck. Shocking.>>94274829Just go play Landless Belcher in Modern.
>>94274942>One or twoMy brother in Christ, you are playing THE color for getting extra land drops. Why would you only get one or two per turn?
>>94274940i play in a meta where i have been t4 voltron killed, so that would be no issue.im more about the insane Charbelcher interaction of stacking your entire deck, but im warming up more about the >>94274862 suggestion
>>94274996I mean, its functionally no different to just casting 2-3 vampiric tutors, because you have a kill button on untap, the order of the remaining 90~ cards wont ever come up
>>94274862So what's the rules with things like this? If you start revealing cards and happen to reveal these either because of Charbelcher or cascade or something else similar can you flip these cards over to be whichever side you want when you reveal them? Or is it that the cards are whatever face has the up arrow as their front?
>>94274168I've never actually played a game of commander yet, but here's my deck. Kinda want to build nekusar tho
>>94275020>>94274168Agh I am big dummy
>>94274978my brother in Muhammad, Titania doesnt work with a bunch of fetches alone, you still need ways to sweep your entire Landbase in one turn to have a presentable boardstate to win with, also the point of the comparison to Omnath was>Only Ramp to get your payoffvs >Ramp + Land Sacrifice to get your payoffis inherrently harder to pull off, since you chop away your mana base at the same time, dont overcomplicate my shitpost.Both are obviously viable and fun in their own lane, for different reasons
>>94275018Until you actually play them, a Modal Double Faced Card (MDFC) only has the characteristics of the front face. Belcher will reveal no lands, but you can't choose to reveal the land sides for cascade. They might make some MDFCs in the future tgat have lands on the front and spells on the back, but they haven't yet.
>>94274668No u
>>94274175maybe not "most based" overall, but you should never underestimate a simple mana dork/acceleration piece in the command zone
>>94274510>Creature curve basically starts at 3>Runs (4) fucking mana rocksWhat does this deck do if it doesn't find a rock? Your first two turns you're playing with your penis, you aren't casting shit add some rocks. You're gonna be coughing out a single three drop on five mana with no room to cast a second one.
Is there a way to do a big cut+paste from scryfall into moxfield? I.e If I wanted to grab all cards with a keyword, pull them into a decklist and then cut from there?
This is someone's favorite card. What would you think of that person?
>>94275116based janker
>>94275116>Banned in everything >Still his favorite
>>94274959Gorgons are my favorite humanoid monster, so them actually getting tribal support makes me harder than darksteel.
>>94275116I, too, read of JD Vance saying this was his favorite card back before he stopped plating because bitches don't like nerd shit looked MTG.
How to I build the jelly wife?
>>94275116they propably like magic the gathering. there is really not much else you can decipher from just that
>>94275151Flicker, flying matters.
>>94274168i was thinking of getting a tribute to the world tree to upgrade the deck, but i find it too expensive
>>94275022>Ancient Gold DragonBased. You should play Dragon Tempest with it so you can kill everyone with a big die roll.
>>94275151If you copy her and legend rule the fake then you get two 2/2 jellyfish out of it
>>94275151Oh no I hope she doesn't summon a tentacle monster in her bedroom.
>>94275151I don't think she's viable as super serious deck so as >>94275184 said + Jellyfish tribal. Your waifu loves jellyfishes. Surprisingly a lot of them have flying.
>>94275241It's not that surprising when you think about it. What's a jellyfish going to do to someone above water? Even if they're in a boat? If I'm getting bullied by sharks and fish I can at least pretend that the fight is happening on a boat, because fish have muscles to rock the boat or jump out of the water, jellyfish just float.
>>94275151I suppose you could also run Mirror Gallery/Mirror Box and bunch of cloning cards/Clone token generators. Not only upon enter every clone will get you new Jellyfish, but also the +1/+1 effect will stack This is jank but if left unchecked it probably could snowball into bunch of cute girls and very big, flying jellyfishes.
>>94275070Yeah, having ramp as your commander is so nice. Oh? I need 12 2cmc ramp spells? Nah, my commander does that. Now I can play a bunch more cool cards in my deck.
>>94275279>Bolas getting massed glomped to death
>>94275279You should have tokens that look like Cynette but with dittoface.
>>94275287yes, this makes your Buoild very flexible, and allows the most ridiculously high mana curve, which is what Gruul is more often about than not
>>94274175Whichever one gets the most benefit out of Bloodrush
>lots of new commanders from the foundations jumpstart set that i want to play>they don't come in foil, making them literally unplayable as a commandergod i fucking hate jumpstart/commander precon exclusive cards
>>94275383>they don't come in foilGood. I hope they cut way back on the number of foils and make them worth having again.
>>94275392that's borderline delusional anon
>>94275383>>they don't come in foil, making them literally unplayable as a commanderlol, the commander slot is the only slot where it's morally conscionable to use a foil (if you're also running non-foils). Otherwise your whole deck has to be foil. If your deck contains some foil cards and some nonfoil cards then you are a cheater.
>>94275406>complaining about cheating in this casual format, where 1 or 2 pringles in a 99 card pile wont make much of a differencejust cut the deck bro
There is only one deck I managed to foil out.
>>94275383Foils are awful and shouldn't exist, I hate that the precon commanders only come in foul or alt art, just let me have a normal non foul one FFS
>>94275307>this plays in the background.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYgER2Tq50o
>>94275423>see top deck is pringlejust cut the deck>never get to draw it>the deck is now essentially one card less thus more consistentgonna use this strat actually, thanks anon
>>94275448>"Bro I swear I'm playing her for the infinite jelly fish combo"
>>94275430What would the stat line be if they printed this dude today? 12/12? 15/15?
>>94275404They're common to the point of having one in every pack, the foiling itself looks like dogshit, and they STILL haven't fixed the curling issue. The only ones that even come close to being desirable are the alt treatments from collector packs, and even those are hit and miss.
>>94275467
>>94275383Are there really that many you want to play as commander? Which ones in particular are appealing to you?
>>94275501the minotaur one looks cool
>>94275481Power creep is real, but I don't think they would go higher than 10/10.
>TQSome high synergy commanders could really need it, because their decks like to just falter and durdle once the commander is gone, making them basically useless even casual settings.And no, there is no way of fixing these types of commanders with better decks, because they often rely on a mechanic that's barely supported too, so you would need to reduce the amount of synergies and basically have a completely different deck now that would work better with another commander. There are so many commanders where I wish they at least had ward 2.
>>94275482I agree but wotc doesn't
>>94275501>>94275503
>>94275467based retard
>>94275517So you don't think they would print a 5-color creature that was strictly better than a monocolored creature from 5 years ago? The 10/10s for 5 aren't even good anymore, Yargle and Multani is an 18/6 for 6 and it only has 2 colors.
>>94274541bird goku
>>94274541Yurlokmake big mana with shamanistic ooga booga rituals and conjure big flame
>>94275528I just realised the Coward thing is both permanent and replaces all other types. Neat.
>>94275542Yargle and Multani is an 18/6 because Yargle was a 9/3 and they thought it would be "fun" to just double that. What if we took 5cmc and doubled it? It would be 10. This is how they think. I don't think they're going to go crazy designing a 5 color nonlegendary vanilla uncommon. If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't bet money on wotc being consistent though.
>>94275430>build Ramos big timmy deck>foil Maelstrom Angel is like 60 dollars
>>94275607>replaces typingI didn't realize, pretty good for screwing other tribals
>>94274483>>94274447Most cedh decks run ONLY the free counterspells with a couple others added, nowhere near thirty, ten tops. And thoracle isn't even the best cedh wincon
>>94274555>it's easy to deal with if the pod coordinatesThe very fact your pod needs to coordinate to get rid of Koma means he's NOT easy to deal with. Fuck sakes it's impossible to talk about the game here
>>94274175The father of all penis wurms ofc
>>94275607>>94275663i have a friend who plays a very annoying Ur-Dragon "tribal Tribal" with changelings - how does Coward work with that?Cowards are a type that is only brought into the game with other, non-coward cards.Are changelings cowards anyways?
>>94275609The important thing is that Yargle and Multani didn't make a significant impact on any format (except for <$100 budget cEDH lmao). Hasbro notices this sort of thing, and that's one half of where powercreep comes from. The other half being that thing where they identify the current bleeding-edge of power creep and try to make a card that toes that line and then make a last-minute improvement without playtesting it so that the new bleeding-edge-of-power-creep ends up being even higher.
>>94275742It's a creature type so yes, all changelings are cowardsAlso there was a coward printed recently
5 different arts for Giada now
>>94275784one of the worst designs in magic history, both in style and mechanics. not many cards manage to check both.
>>94275742>>94275783It's a good question. I'm not sure, but I think that changeling is an ability which over-writes creature types so that a changeling who becomes a coward will still have all creature types. If I'm wrong, then it's a timestamp thing, changelings who become cowards lose all creature types except "coward", but a coward who becomes a changeling will regain all creature types.
>>94274959Been waiting for a Gorgon commander forever and i get this retarded animal dogshit FUCK SAKES.
>>94275801whats so bad about the mechanics, except the wordines and generically goodness of it?
These anime cards are actually so fucking bad who likes this dogshit art fuck
>>94275846this. one of the black legends has a super small hand too
>>94275820the amount of shit they packed onto a 2cmc card just because a retard at wotc wanted to have his angel tribal commander is plain offensive to the format.
>>94275607>replaces all other typesNo it does not
>>94275820>>94275879Okay, but is it actually good?
>>94275846Cyette is a qt
>>94275891It doesn't say in addition to its other types, so yes it does.
>>94275820>mana dork>in mono-whiteThe fact that you can only use that mana for spells of a specific tribe doesn't really excuse it, and in fact just transitions to the next point: she's so painfully narrow that she can really only be used for one deck, while being so aggressively pushed that she's also the only option for that deck. I'm not sure she's necessarily the worst offender in the "WotC basically writes your decklist for you" category, but she's definitely one of the faces of it.
>>94275895Yes Giada is an incredibly powerful card. It's an early middle and late game card all in one. It's incredibly overtuned and should have never fucking been printed
>>94275784Getting really mixed signals about her race
>>94275895is very good, especially as a commanderwhite has the easiest time protecting their board - which is in many cases even better than a counterspell, since most protection spells makes the common wrath one sided
>>94275900No, it doesn't
>>94275895No. It's mid, dies to push
>>94275912ain't that the lightskins whole vibe?
>>94275922https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/169/boldwyr-intimidator
>>94275906Cry some more
>>94275861Kek I'm gonna draw this with the balls 'n all.
>>94275930dont indulge with this baiting retard, next he will post >You're wrong
>>94275930You're wrong
Is Muldrotha still good these days? I remember her being a bit of a boogeyman commander.
>>94275932>is it good>Yes it's good here is why!>ermmmm cry more!Okay?>>94275944Leaving it at that in case he fools anyone.
>>94275806she's a snake aggro commander with pharika in the 99, the only gorgons you would want are Vraska the silencer and pic related
>>94275967You're wrong and I'm right
>>94275607*plays maskwood nexus*I'll look for you in the obituaries
>>94275906>>94275915It's a really good bear, which counts for a lot in every format except commander, in commander it doesn't mean dink.The +1/+1 counters for angels is slightly better than a lord effect ("Angels get +1/+1"), but that really only matters in commander, standard only has incidental angels and other formats don't have enough angels to make a tribe. And, as far as exponential tribal benefits for commanders are concerned, this is on the weak end. Tapping for W is good, especially with vigilance, it's basically free. But only if you're running a deck full of angels. Which, again, leads back to the fact that there are better tribes with better tribal commanders.
>>94275944>>94275963
>>94275967sounds like your typical /edhg/ discussion
>>94275979She is very clearly a Gorgon commander there are a hundred other snake commanders. Don't tell me what i want you low IQ nigger
>>94275986You're really bad at the game and I won't be taking your opinion seriously>ramping 1/1 counters are only slightly better than a flat +1/+1
>>94275915>especially in commanderGood in 60 too. Angels were a dog ass tribe in 60 until they got her and Righteous Valk. They’re still gonna be a bit ass until they get a real one drop but if there is ever a playable 60 card angel list it will run her.
>>94275784people who build angel tribal decks are stupid coomers, they are even stupid than other mouth breathers tribal builders
>>94275912She's from magic 20's USA. She's the mystery meat queen.
>>94275986i wouldnt describe it as busted as the other anon does, but going tall on your already big and flying creautres, in the main Pro color, matters a whole lot and gives the slightly underwhelming tribe a good boost
>>94276004she's a voltron commander with a snake/deathtouch subthemethis is a gorgon commander
>>94276029No she's definitely not a voltron commander either lmao nothing about her even remotely suggests voltron. You're really bad at the game please stop trying to make any grand statements.
This guy will only get stronger with time, right? My problem with tribal decks is that seems like they build themselves, but he seems fun to play, specially now with all the legendary spam
>>94276078he is top tier KOS shit and he isnt so nice to play as.i opted to play a more traditional Aggro commander, this one will get you justifiably hated out of the game very quick
We LOVE free spells!
>>94276078>>94276085frorgot to add, but yes: he does get better with every set.i've managed to win games without him on board a couple of time, turns out just playing Legends "tribal" is very good on its own
>>94276047>No she's definitely not a voltron commander either lmao nothing about her even remotely suggests voltron.Her superfluous fatness (in conjunction with deathtouch) becomes relevant if you give her trample or if you force all creatures to block her. This remotely suggests voltron.I mean, you're right, she's not a voltron commander, but she does remotely suggest voltron.
>>94276047says the one ignoring 2/3rd of the cardyou're not forced to slot all 24 gorgons available (some of them are terrible or over-costed) and could instead use some of the snakes that come with deathtouch or other evasive keywords to take advantage of her 5 mana ability
>>94276103>Free spell you can't even use until turn three
>>94276110>her 5 mana abilityWhat?
>>94275965She's okayish, overrated but not bad. Honestly if I'm going for self mill I'd rather have a commander that mills like Blex, and if I want reanimation I'd rather cheat on cost.
>>94276078I don't think legendary tribal really builds itself like other creature tribal decks. It's not like you can actually use tribal support cards like kindred discovery. At best you play urza's ruinous blast and slot in ratadrabik for value.You also have hundreds of creatures to choose from with different gameplans. Obviously you can just pick value creatures, but you can also go for certain themes like combat, treasures, big creatures, counters or whatever.
>>94276116
>>94276118see >>94274959
>>94276103Honestly this doesn't do much, maybe Captain America would want it, but for Cap I still think Brass Knuckles is better.
>>94276109>give a 1 power creature trampleWhat suggests voltron is being able to do commander damage quick. She has 1 power. She is not voltron
>>94276110I'm not ignoring anything. You know fuck all about this game and just use whichever word you like. A 1/3 will never be a voltron commander, what a retarded fucking notion. The only reason low power stuff like Light Paws works is cause he gets to tutor buffs to board. This is a 1/3 that's 21 turns to kill one person lmao>but the activated ability!!!!!!!Is not a voltron ability
>>94276110that artwork makes me fucking uneasy, holy shitanyone got more?
>>94276130>>94276140Ah, I thought Hythonia was the voltron commander we were talking about, my mistake.
>>94276078I’ve thought about turning my Dihada deck into a Judifier deck several times but never went through with it
>>94275528i do have noticed now that the Coward thing is not until end of turn, making your Warriors bigger as more creatures become cowards, pretty baller thing
>>94276146alright, retarddon't complain when you get sniped for half your life total plus the other half>inb4 she needs to connect first
>>94276186I won't complain because it will never happen.>hmmm there's a snake attacking me and this dogshit commander has 5 mana up guess I... won't block it!
>>94276186It might work but it still won't be commander. You can go wide to half their life total multiple times, or you can combo to 1-shot their life total, but neither of those things are voltron.
>>94276193>he thinks he's allowed to blockintimidate, fear, lands that turn little shits unblockable, there's plenty of stuff>I'll just run removalas if green doesn't have protection spells
>>94274959That last ability sounds pretty busted. Like am I reading it correctly? With Helm of the Host even one unblocked snake nibbles 3/4 of their life points. If you add even one more halfing effect their life points can easily be 7/8 what they used to. That's a lot of damage! If you reanimate the picrel it's good night to everyone at the table.
>>94276204>It might work but it still won't be commander.I mean that it won't be voltron, sorry, low effort.I actually don't think that voltron strictly equates to commander damage, some decks run multiple voltron targets and the commander is just there for redundancy, but at the very least if you're going to call it "voltron" then you need to be piling multiple permanents onto one creature to win.
>>94276209Weak post.
>>94276209So now you're buffing your shitty tokens to hopefully do half my health lmao. This deck just keeps getting worse and worse
>>94276211>Well with 20 mana and 4+ cards it's actually really threatening WHEWHEW
>>94276211demons have such metal artlove that tribe
>>94276225tokens? just run evasive snakes ffs
>>94276241Anon there are like 4 evasive snakes lol. And most of that evasion is from swampwalk so definitely not reliable evasion!
>draw
Any kind anons would be willing to skim this list and suggest budget changes? I think I don't have enough ramp. I think I'm just bleeding myself to hit the entire table at once.Https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ErSFGRKnx0Glbtaj_tGHVw
Literally the most reliably naturally evasive snake printed BTW. All the rest are swampwalk or a single islandwalk. Retards shouldn't try to theorycraft around bad cards
>>94276280anon, really, drivnod is just bad teysa, you are gimping yourself using him
>>94276281literally any ability that grants unblockable is enough
>>94276231I let out a little bit more of a air from my left nostril. Thanks anon. Stay how you are for my own amusement.
>>94276295So we are back to buffing shitty tokens? That isn't even a good strategy in decks that promote or make it easier lol
What is the style of deck you personally love but due reasonable group pressure you don't really get to play / dropped a deck completely?For me its any B/X deck with everybody sacs a dude effects. Plague crafter is like my favorite creature but there are only so many annoyed sights and dirty looks one can take over multiple games after functionally stopping everyone elses gameplan by keeping the table mostly empty with innocent blood effects.
>>94276302why tokens in particular? you could give unblockable to the commander as well since she still counts for the effect
>>94276211Fuck i can't stop laughing.Commander and ability : 6 manaHelm and equip: 9 manaConnecting with a snake/Gorgon: 0-lets say 2 manaArchfiend: 8 mana although you can get this effect for 4If you can't win a game with 4/5 cards and over 20 mana you're shit.
>>94276231>decks win via strategy and synergy and cards don't exist in a vacuumWOAH NO FUCKING WAY
>>94276295Just play Akroma's memorial. That's oftentimes enough to get through most players and lets you attack faster. At least there's some decent support for snakes.
>>94276319Because any good player would realize she is what the entire deck is built around and swinging with her when any snake/gorgon will do without risking losing your commander is always 100x better. Thank you for confirming you're bad at the game.
>>94276329Yeah this has absolutely nothing to do with my post anon
>>94276261I really don't get why this commander is popular he's so ass.
>>94276290So I should make Konrad the commander, instead?
>NOOO PLS NO MORE SETS>NO PLS I CANT KEEP UP WITH ALL THESE SPOILERS & NEW CARDS IM GOING INSANE
>>94276347Because he can kill the entire board with three wheels
has foundations been fully spoiled already?
>>94276370Giving your opponents gas to do paltry damage to them is never gonna be a good strategy. Only way I see it being effective against competent decks is by locking everyone fown with stax.
>>94276338she costs two fucking mana, if she dies just re-cast heralso you're focusing on a single situation where you only have one creature on board
>>94276395A carefully constructed hand of 7 will almost always be better than a random fresh set. Wheels destabilize. It was effective for a long time so how you see it doesn't really matter, history speaks for it.
>>94276401And you're focusing on a situation where for some reason we aren't playing Token: The Gathering and i don't have a board of blockers>just recast herSure! So it goes from 7 to 9 mana to get her ability off very powerful stuff! It's simply not, i get you're pp feels good when. It looks at the dogshit art but that doesn't make her good.
>>94275967>Fag that can't read the rules is the same one crying about giadaPottery
>>94276423Incredibly embarrassing post anon
>>94276322>If you can't win a game with 4/5 cards and over 20 mana you're shit.Damn. You are absolutely right. I wish WotC would print more cards that gave a fuck-ton-of-mana. Like yeah I agree that 20 mana worth of lands is hard work and there's no cards that can bring permanents back from grave or send them there straight from library. Shucks. I'm a goober. Thanks for enlightening me oh great and powerful John. Not a good card at all.
>>94276405I wrecked Nekusar decks regularly with fucking Boros back in the pre-Smithe/Feather days when it was universally known as shit. A single StP shuts down his shenanigans instantly, and he actively helps everyone draw it.
>>94276452>This entire seethe postCorrect its not a good card glad we could finally come to an agreement.
>>94276471Why are you larping? Feather came out 6 years after Nekusar lmao
>>94276471>SwordsWow you can delay him for one turn!
>>94276486I literally said pre-Feather, my dear retard>>94276487Ah right, next turn he'll spend 7 to play Nekusar and be tapped out while he wheeled me a fresh hand, how scary
>>94276211nobody tell him about Master of Cruelties
>>94276363it reminds me that I'm not wealthy enough to stay current in the game and that's not fair it's poorphobic
>>94276471StP?single targeted pemoval?
>>942757846, count em, 6 arts
>>94276657That's a femboy
>>94276657>using to artworks to track commander tacks and "upgrade" her ot her stronger form xD
>playgroup complains my decks are "cancer" >say ok how about you guys make me a deck and I'll play that>they make me an aesi deck>I beat them all anyway in just as brutal a fashion>they complain "oops that deck is cancer too"holy shit when will it stop
>>94273867Couldn't he just tap the plains in reaction to the ability and then use the floating mana to cast?
>>94276487I play sheoldred the apocalypse
>>94276676Ask them what about them is cancer. I don't really expect a good answer cause it sounds like they're mostly just sore losers, but I'm still curious.
>>94276412>b-but my boardstate!I don't care for your blockers, since my creatures are connecting unblocked anyway
>>94276481I mean me and my friend Don Khivafak is totally agreeing with you. They also told me that I somehow have a free rental space somewhere. Don't know what they meant by that. Do you happen to know? I also REALLY like the picrel for some reason.
>>94276676Ask to swap with one of the decks they just played, and keep doing that until they're either calling their own decks cancer or they stop complaining.
>>94276677Not if they're tapped in upkeep like you should as Koma player.
>>94276685She's worse
>>94276676it's the curse of playing with people who are too lazy to do the bare minimum to improve at magic. Basic strategy becomes seen as sweaty because they can't even be assed to read their own cards
>>94276661I wish
I tap boseiju who shelters all and cast null elemental blast on Koma, world-eater
Welp once again the deck i built wasnt super fun to play against. Back to the drawing board
>>94276689the shitters in my pod are absolute ass to play against because their shit threat assessment means they more often than not do shit against me instead of the actual threat
>>94276676it doesn't stop, just hop around different playgroups until you find one where you're the weakest player. Trust me, it's just easier and it'll save you a lot of headache
>>94276699Oh, you're right. I didn't think of that.
>>94276676>Aesi>contorl Simic that ramps up to 10 mana on turn 3 and draws like crazy>not canceryour friends are retarded
>order from cardmarket>order arrives>cards smell of piss
>>94276785Teehee
>>94276785it was me, I did it
>>94276785can't order in bulk with 5+ sellers from there anymore, without at least one of them shitting the bed and not having the card as listed or some other circus
>>94276785This is what you get for not printing the cards off yourself
>>94276695This just keeps getting sadder anon. No one is fooled
>>94276690No they aren't as has already been established but it's cute you think so
>>94276405>history speaks for itselfIt was a popular commander in weak groups against incompetent decks. There's a ton of shitty commanders that are nonetheless popular.
>play card, does nothing until next turn
>>94276881Meh
>>94276785Magical realm status: entered.
>>94276886Zoomers will never understand
>>94276706She shuts down Nekusar's entire gameplan when she's against him, and makes the Nekusar player kill himself.
>>94276899O.k. so maybe this IP kind of fits into Magic.
>>94276729Was it fun to play though?
all my commanders are either male or cool looking (male) monstersif the commander is female, i want nothing to do with itif the art looks shit & not cool, i'm not even reading any of the text
>>94276949Damn, sounds gay as fuck. But you do you.
>>94276934If it wasnt against friends sure. I liked it in testing and when i played online.
>>94276962What's the deck?
>>94276949Im the same way but ill play females if they look cool. I prefer males though.
>>94276960you've never had sex, anon
>>94276949Same but the opposite
>>94276971Mono white pillowfort and taxes
>>94276831what's cute is that you think you can outpace a low curve deck on top of playing against other two people
I look like Kinnen irl
>>94276920Nope.You still take the commander damage which will likely kill you first.
>>94276487>spend 1 mana, kill your 5 CMC Nekuzar>suddenly you are left with a deck that does nothing but give card advantage to your opponentslmao
>>94276977>i made a boring deck and it was boringShocking! Try playing something actually fun instead of something you think will impress 4channelers
>>94276994>Runs counter spells
>>94276979If you are manually giving every token unblockable it is objectively not a low curve deck, or a fast one. It's a slow, mana intensive deck. Again, you're incredibly bad at the game stop trying to make a mediocre card better than it is>durrr you exist in a vacuum! Me? No I'll always get all my tokesn down get the. All unblockable and experience not a single interruption!
>>94275116I think that person has good taste.
>>94277001I generally like both of those things but its not fun against friends. Not sure what to run now because i don't enjoy just turn card sideways
>>94276990>commander damage >nekusarhahaha who the hell are you playing with?
>>94276990Commander damage is combat only you larping zoomie
>>94277015so do I
>>94276994Why wouldn't the Nekusar player also have cards in the deck that also punishes drawing and discarding? Why is /edhg/ so fucking disingenuous all the fucking time? Nekusar is NEVER going to be the only thing punishing draw or discarding and to saw otherwise is fucking stupid. Also, in the colors of counter spells AND redirects.
>>94277027Wrong
>>94276949>picked all my commanders based off what they do and how I can build around them>ended up with all female commanders and HazezonDidn’t really plan it that way, but whatever
>>94277040Nekusar is a commander that has been power crept out of the game six ways to Sundayif you actually still find him to be threatening then you are either a terrible player or you stepped through a fucking time warp to get here
>>94276920>Implying the nakusar player isn't also running her
>>94276949>if the art looks shit & not cool, i'm not even reading any of the textThis much I agree with at least. Imagine running some ugly-ass commander that you hate the art of.
>>94277040This kills the Nekusar
Not everything needs to be a leyline
Best commander that you don't need to build around? Like just a solid beater you can use in a mid range build
I cheat out Serra's emissary. I choose creatures. Then I copy her two times and choose instants and enchantments. Your turn :3
>>94277067I reveal Leyline Spongebob from my opening hand and take the initiative
>>94277064>Another card nekusar is probably already running
>>94277067Leyblade
>>94276261Get that boring shit out of here, embrace gambling
>>94276949i play kinnan so people need to see that fat FUCK ruining all art, i hope they never reprint him
>>94277079>another card that every black deck runs, and can kill Nekusar's copy on ETB
>>94276261ACK
>>94277096Dreadbore>>94277089Oh wow you killed one of the like six version of that effect they probably have on the board at that point in the game
>>94277096I rather place my bets on the Nekusar player than whoever is running this shit in one of their decks.
>>94277016all it needs to win is either:>have more creatures than your opponent's board which meet the condition of the commander (snakes/gorgons)>one single creature that goes unblockedit's not rocket science anon
>>94275528Thank you WotC for making Boldwyr Intimdator into a commander.
>>94275528>>94277134Now that's power creep
>>94277140to be fair Boldwyr was shit for the standards of its time already
>>94276308I stopped playing my Hakbal Merfolk deck because other players wouldn't stop complaining about it.
>>94277076>as a pregame action, I cast my Chaos in the Leylines sorcery as free. It becomes a day, I get the initiative and venture into the dungeon (non-undercity as specified by the sorcery), I become a monarch, the first spell I cast this game costs 1 mana less to cast and it enters the battlefield with a finality counter if it's a creature.
>>94277132>the card is good because if you have 10 other cards in play it can do somethingI agree it's not rocket science, the card is very clearly not good. Also>one single creature unblockedCool you halved my life? How does this win? You have halved a single players life lol
>anon has it explained to him that Nekusar is not the oppressive, unbeatable boogeyman that he's pretending it is>w-well what if the Nekusar player always has it huh???well then he'd win, but we both know that's not how the vast majority of games go
>>94277192The first part never happened though? All that was said was counterplay exists which it always did!
>>94277185>oh yeah losing half my hp in one go for no benefit is totally fineok retard
>>94277192It's his commander, he's always going to have it
>>94277134One of the better pieces of flavour text
>>94277234I am quoting you you stupid maggot>ALL YOU NEED TO *WIN*How has the scenario you laid out winning?
>>94276881amazing DC commander for mono red, better than Norin even
>>94277251see >>94276186
>>94277257what is DC?
>>94277268So we need yet ANOTHER card i see. >commander>ability>multiple attackers>each one individually given unblockable>nothing on your board is removedVery strong game plan anon. Super powerful commander for sure.>no guys you don't get it if no one messes with me for 10 turns and I can swing at boards that won't stop me... I win!!!
can someone please post the most powerful 2 card instant win combo? you know which one.
>>94277338My penis and your mom
>>94277338Blood/Bond combo or any number of the pieces they've printed that do the same shit
>>94277338Worldfire and Chandra awakened inferno
>>94276990>>94277027>guy who claimed "history speaks for Nekusar's power" doesn't even know how the game worksColor me surprised.
>>94277338Norin and Impact Tremors
New Alesha
>>94277273duel commander (20 starting life, 1v1, competitive with an actual banned and restricted list)https://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=2324&meta=115&f=EDH&color_id=R&show=popNorin is currently the best mono red commander because having a 1-drop every game in 1v1 is busted
>>94277403Surprised she grew old
>>94277387gg I scoopbtw, does anyone have the follow up comics or where to find them?
>>94277414Alesha literally peacefully gave up to Kolaghan's horde so the Mardu could live, makes sense to grow old.
>>94277414To be fair, a 58% chance of survival is above average
What do you guys think of this card. I feel like it could be sick in a deck that's good at knocking out another player fast (so that when you activate it, you can draw 2 cards and play 2 lands), but I wonder how often it'll be that good. Would it be worth it in Boros with lots of land tax effects to keep your hand full of land?
>>94277380Both of these posts are very clearly opposed to one another I'm confused.
>>94277460I wouldn't be that optimistic about it. Good in Mairsil though.
>>94276990slit your throat and bleed out, fucking subhuman
>>94277481While that rule is correct, i wouldn't trust wizards page for it. They think brawl is 100 cards
>>94277488Brawl is 100 cards>b-but standard brawldoesn't count
>>94277403>Alesha got older>looks more like a man nowlol
>>94277308>gathering cards is hard in golgari>preventing players from developing a board is hard in golgari>saving your permanents is hard in golgari>recurring shit from your graveyard is hard in golgari
>>94277460Am I reading this right? If the opponent doesn't activate it, then you've literally just paid 3 mana and a card to give your opponent a free permanent?
>>94277501IIRC Alesha wasn't even a troon, he just took the name of his mum or something like that
>>94273960Its not really interesting, but its a damn strong card. Not even a mythic
>>94277509I dunno what to tell you anon. Go ahead and make it its not good id love to run across her decks a lot cause it's free wins. The amount of cards that shut down this deck across all colour's is insane, and a good number of them are good outside of "silver bullet" against you
>>94274100Any card featuring a bow in the art should really have reach
>>94277413sounds not so fun actually, id rather try canlander
>>94277568>id rather try canlanderme too actually, but there's zero support of canlander on MTGO and that's where I play DC
>>94276949>Can only stand to see other men>Only wants to command other men Self report
Are they playable as commanders or purely kill on sight?
>>94277842These days everything is kill on sight
>>94277881What about this guy
>>94277896>ramp in your command zonekill on sight
>>94277901
>>94277881Can you kill this guy for me
>>94277496Standard brawl is just brawl. Historic brawl is 100 cards
>>94277933ok
>>94273696Fuck...should I make this the commander or put it in a Felix deck
>>94278255>7 mana do nothing commanderin what world
>>94278255I'd say the OG Koma is better commanderwise
>>94278255how about you take the kraken pill? if you bring your untap combos, you can bring all the seamonsters you want and still be a high power deck
>>94278039other way round, wotc has repeatedly said the players determine what the game ishistoric brawl is the only version of brawl people play ergo it is now the default ergo they call it a 100 card format>inb4 another derisive "well wotc is actually wrong about their own format"just save it
>>94277842already posted my deck anon >>94275195, gitrog is fun as fuck, but he's just there to accelerate my gameplan, he's not the focus, even a single trigger of him is game changing
New format ideas: cheaty face. Players can cheat at any time. If an opponent catches it, the cheat is reversed and the offending player rolls a penalty dice and receives a penalty for being caughtMake cheating a skill
NEW>>94278676>>94278676>>94278676
>>94277896>>94277933>these days
>>94273696Wtf, it doesn't draw cards. Unplayable.
>>94278322give me a listi tryed and end up gangbanged everytime
