Would Tau have been better if they were space Dwarves instead of blue cow people? Sure, you wouldn't be able to do the whole "grimdark asatru" thing, but you could just replace all of the aesthetics and names with Buddhist and Chinese stuff, and let's face it there's already a viking asatru germanic faction (Space Wolves). You could keep the casts (cloneskeins), you keep a simultaneously benevolent yet also super shady leader class that's not supposed to be on the battlefield (the Votanns). The gunline and shooting stuff could be kept (perhaps you could ditch "bad melee" and just have the Dorfs have only 1-2 melee attacks as a rule, making them bad at the melee phase even if individuals are capable of fighting), and instead of having auxiliaries cuz they suck at melee they have them because they're fucking slow. Auxiliaries would make sense lorewise as the Dorfs are already being lead by nonhumans anyways. Furthermore, it would give the Imperium of Man a better ideological rival, which they right now really only have in Chaos. Mankind could stick it out with the whole "lighthouse-egregore" thing, OR, they could submit t to the will of the thinking machines and be guided out of the darkness that way. It would also allow for a fun interaction with the "longgame puppets of necrons/eldar" thing, as on the one hand the Votann are machines (Necrons) but they're also psychic (Eldar). The fact that the Votann are slowly falling apart is a dark and shadowy secret, like the Emperor actually being basically dead.
>>94279684no, because the "Greater Good" and tolerance is not something that is associated with dwarves (especially in warhamer).
>>94279805I must also add that there was a fraction missing that parodies the capitalists and no, the Rogue Traders do not count. They are more of a parody of the colonists and explorers.
>>94279684>blue cow peopleI don't think that's actually what they are despite the fanart. Also what people wanted from the Votann were Squats. People wanted Squats back but the Votann aren't them. Tau being truly alien is better for the setting because it shows that an alien race is actually capable of creating a functioning society better than the Imperium which drives the ideological deficiencies of the Imperium home.
>>94279935they have been described as evolved from bovine like creatures hence the hoovesMaybe some sort of aquatic sea cow
>>94279973>manatee with a rail gun
>>94279805>>94279827While the sort of "the GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD *quivers*" thing that the Tau do obviously wouldn't work with Dwarves, you could just make them idealogical capitalists (get it, they're all about the market despite living in a centrally planned Soviet dystopia). "The Greater Good" is some kind of reference to "goods" and the social harmony that comes from individuals working for their own interests. This is why nondwarves can be allowed in. They're not so much "tolerant" as they are "not genocidal".
>>94280015You have a good point, but I prefer that both exist at the same time.
>>94279979>>94279973>>94279935They are the Beastmen of 40k.
>>94280379They don't do anywhere near enough raping for that to be true.
>>94279684Tau were supposed to be special boys who appealed to the japanese. Space katana dwarfs would be very silly. But eliminating Squats and bringing them back as Votann is because GW wanted hams to be treated as a serious and grimdark space franchise instead of silly fantasy in space.>still don't have a land train equivalent
>>94280015>GW kills squats>replaced by the Demiurge Conglomerate>an empire of aliens who may be lost Squats but unconfirmed, surviving the destruction of Squat civilization, as an alliance of aliens in the eastern fringe>they believe in money and beer
>>94279935>creating a functioning society better than the Imperium which drives the ideological deficiencies of the Imperium home.people that say this don't understand the subtle parody nay dare i say satire of the Tau being added to 40k. They were never supposed to show up the Imperium. Actually the opposite they continually prove the Imperium right
>>94281091>Actually the opposite they continually prove the Imperium rightlmao mentally retarded>>94280616>Tau were supposed to be special boys who appealed to the japanese.yes, but for people who hate the Japanese and don't understand what weebs like.That weebs like Tau is a forced meme that is not true.
>>94281978I accept your concession. Retards like you just don't get 40k.
>>94281995You are retarded if you think that the empire did nothing wrong and is right.
>>94281978>yes, but for people who hate the Japanese and don't understand what weebs like.It is explicitly for /m/.
>>94282008what empire? do you mean the Imperium. You exposed yourself as not an actual fan. Fuck off retard.
>>94282048>/m/They are another type of weebs, but I don't think they like it either.>>94282064COPE
Tau were originally conceived as Lizardmen IN SPACE.
>>94282121>the faction that regularly fucks up because they don't understand how 40k works>is supposed to look like an alternative to the faction with over 10k years of experience
>>94282125now they are commies IN SPACEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_jAwOyrxU
>>94282125Yes, for some reason they changed it to be blue Beastmen (without horns)>>94282137Communists do not have castes, I also think they are capitalists.>>94282130I didn't say the Tau were perfect, but half of their plots are how the Imperium is evil.
>>94279684The fuck? No. Tau are fine. It's Votann that needs to be fixed.
>>94282237Caste is not the same as class you retard.
>>94282311>Caste is not the same as class you retard.Yes, it's worse. At least you can change classes with money.>>94282270I would say that both need a fix, but the Votann need it more.
>>94282318No, retard. Tau society is explicitly classless therefore communist.You redditor tau secondaries are always mjxing that up.
>>94282328>classlessNo, it has classes in the form of castes.You don't know anything about politics or history.
>>94282367Caste and class are two different things, one is hierarchal and vertical the other is horizontal
>>94282372It doesn't matter, you can't have any of that and be a communist at the same time.Furthermore, the Tau do not have a caste system similar to reality.
>>94282395you absolutely can have a communist state and a caste system.In fact the soviets did that.
>>94279684Tau were always fine. The people hating them for not being grimdark were always brain dead subhumans who should have been euthanized for the sake of the human gene pool. It makes sense that smaller, emerging species who don't have to deal with colossal administrative overhead and galaxy-spanning supply lines would be able to run a tighter ship. The Tau were completely fine as they were.
>>94282470jfc you people are retarded, grim dark is inevitable in 40k, its not the fault of the imperium. Thats the entire point of the Tau.The Tau run a tighter ship because they are extremist totalitarians.
>>94282429The soviets tried to make communism (like everyone else they tried), however the tau Ethereal planned from the beginning to make a caste system and they achieved it.That is why the Tau are not communist. Their system and society has been functioning for millennia, unlike the communists who fail in just a century.
>>94282535>grim dark is inevitable in 40k, its not the fault of the imperium.lmao cope
>>94282549t. lorelet. The Tau castes existed pre-ethereals
>>94282556Tau sending diplomats to the TyranidsCultural exchangeMeeting SlaaneshThe 4th sphereetc
>>94282559Yes, they were tribes in constant war.they created the caste system to stop them from fighting.>>94282566That has nothing to do with the imperium being an infernal bureaucracy.
>>94282609Tau were already castes before the ethereals. The caste system is literally just unifying them.>>94282609Stfu about the muh imperium you stupid sob. The Imperium has nothing to do with all of that. Thats all the Tau encountering grim dark and doing grim dark shit.
>>94282535>every iota of the setting most be grimdark even if it makes zero senseKill yourself.
>>94282691the setting is grim dark and it makes perfect sense.Fuck off with your noble bright shit
>>94279684>Auxiliaries would make sense lorewise as the Dorfs are already being lead by nonhumans anyways.Not reallyAuxiliaries could make sense for Chaos Votann (slaves) if Votann didn't have the bullshit immunity to chaos (which probably will get dropped eventually like it was with sisters)Super long range (daemonic artillery) and shit melee (chaos corruption weakening their bodies) could also fit, but the main problem of Chaos Dwarves in space is that Iron Warriors already have half of their gimmicks.
>>94280379No dummy, the Beastmen are the Beastmen of 40k.
>>94279827Because 40k is all about totalitarianism, and capitalism rarely works with that. For every Pinochet-like in history you can list like 5 distinct communist dictators.
>>94282237>Communists do not have castesNo but yes
>>94282686Why did you respond to me as if I were two people? It's literally one post.ok, now I respond to your "arguments".>Tau were already castes before theethereals.You don't know the difference between tribe, caste and social class.At least you stopped saying they are communists.>Stfu about the muh imperium you stupid sob. The Imperium has nothing to do with all of that. Thats all the Tau encountering grim dark and doing grim dark shit.Your second argument is stupid and you practically forgot what we were talking about.
>>94282834>if Votann didn't have the bullshit immunity to chaosThey didn't participate in the horus heresy on both sides in the old lore?
>>94282841Yes, but they don't count. They are not a real faction and they are humans.
>>94282888The Tau "race" was divided into 4 subraces that each specialised in a form of commerce and warfare, that were at war with each other.The Ethereals simply told them to stop fighting and installed themselves as the ruler caste.Learn the lore you fucking retarded spastic.Yes they are communist, the writer of the Tau is a literal communist.
>>94282868Yes, I understand your point. But it is one thing to do it out of corruption and another is to do it from the foundation of your society. Nobody says that the Indians were communists.
>>94282888Anon didnt say they arent communist you stupid fuck.Genuinely what the fuck is wrong with you types. Why the obsession with denying they are communists?
>>94282906Yes, you don't know the difference between a tribe and a caste.
>>94279684space dwarves is a retarded boring concept. Nu squats are a dogshit faction that doesnt sell well. Space dwarves are supposed to be bikers not wannabe space wolves.
>>94282914stop crying, moron.
>>94282917Your first sentence is contradictory to your last.
>>94282915you dont know the difference between a class and a caste.The caste division exists before the Ethereals. You lost get over it>>94282922you lost moron fuck off back to sigmarxism idiot
>>94282909The Tau are communists. Just because it upsets and offends you isn't an argument
>>94282909Tau are described as living in a classless collectivist system and their ideology is basically a communist slogan. Note caste is not the same as class. Tau are described as being all equal (though ironically not true in practice)They are a very obvious parody of scifi communism with heavy use of communist style propaganda. With elements of Animal Farm eg some are more equal than others (Ethereals, ranks etc)
The people that constantly kneejerk say the Tau are not communist can't support what they are saying and just essentially put their fingers in their ears and say nah nah not listening. Internet communists have the majority of literal children.They are also lying since the faction attracts communists, was written by a fucking communist and is communist
>>94282960Maturity*
>>94279684The Tau were always going to be insufferable communist shitkissers and everyone was always going to hate them. The Greater Good is what people hate. It's an insufferable moral triumphalism that the Imperium, as a desperate momento mori of a civilization in stasis, totally lacks. When the Imperials say "The Imperium will Prevail," what they mean is that their suffering is never going to end. When the Tau say "For the Greater Good," they mean that they're going to bomb your temples and hold gay pride parades on your holy avenues.Nothing you could do to the Tau would make them likable because their ideology is viscerally repulsive to everyone except modern Neoliberal Imperialists. If the Tau were just outright Fascist, right down to stuffing humans into gas chambers, people would actually like them more because they don't have this laughable pretense of being the good guys. You're never going to convince anyone that a society of communists who low-key worship an illuminati cult of space Jews are actually the good guys.The big strides in trying to rehabilitate the Tau have been things that bring nuance to their society, show a darker side of things, the derangement of their caste system and how this frustrates their ability to function as they incorporate more disparate elements into their Empire. Nimbosa was the best Tau/Imperial conflict for this very reason, it's the only time the Tau are actually interesting as antagonists, and the only time I could imagine it actually being fun to play as them. It is also impossible to talk to Tau players without feeling like an Afghan trying to explain to an American that no, people in Kabul do not find Black Lives Matter flags or murals of George Floyd a compelling reason to support the regime.
>>94283024Yes but not exactly. Remember Rick Priestly said all factions in warhammer have a subtle self deceiving quality about them. Tau are no exception, the Greater Good is really The Big Lie. It's a ends justifies the means no matter how morally abhorrent and malevolent to the Tau. It's also simply just a bunch of lies. The Tau quite literally lie to races ti get to them to join. When they first encountered daemons they attempted to bribe them to convert them to the greater good with deceitful promises of riches.
>>94279684No squats are literally abhumans and the entire point of tau is that they are a xenos empires that is quickly growing (what they achieved in 3000 years is ridiculous if compared to humanity and gives credit to the theory that they are engineered rather than natural like humanity) also the entire faction is based on the fear that the Japanese will surpass the west with their quick advancements in technology. dwarfs are a western concept and don't fit the Asian themes the faction has.Squats themselves are also too close to the imperium/SM in their designs that they feel like an attempt to sell SM to xenos player>but they have better and more esoteric technology than the normal imperium That's already the point of the mechanicus. I like the concept of Votann with the Super computers but they look like shit.
>>94282941The tau are based on imperial japan with the ethereals being a reference to the japanese emperor and his "godly bloodline" I mean they are literally called ethereals and supposedly descended from the sky.Also communism is based on the abolishment of classes and overthrowing of a oppressor which the tau both lack.The ethereals are worshiped as divine beings by the tau making them a ruler class by default making the the entire point of communism void.
>>94283155no they aren't. They are literally based on Taoism (lol) communism and china. Thats why they talk with chinese accents and have a 5 elements system. Ruled by a Dear reader and soviet.>ethereals are worshipped as divinenot really its more like you are forced to respect them.If an Ethereal needs a chair and there are none he will hypnotise tau to act as chairs
>>94283155>>94283165To add on your dumb point. The Tau being communist athiests dont believe in the divine.
>>94279684>Would Tau have been better if they were space Dwarves instead of blue cow people?No, votrannies fucking suck and only tasteless retards like them.Didn't read the rest lol.
>>94282834>if Votann didn't have the bullshit immunity to chaosThey don't, retard. They're RESISTANT to chaos, not immune. No different than the tau, really.They've already said there's a few chaos-corrupted Kinholdes out there and more specifically an entire army of ironkin instantly fell to Vashtor during Pariah Nexus.
>>94283172Damn, didn't realize the Emperor was a tau all this time...
>>94283211Nonsensical pathetic retard post
>>94283265He was a retarded atheist communist eugenicist. How is he NOT an ethereal?
>>94283165>not really its more like you are forced to respect them.The tau have something similar to religious fanaticism with the ethereals they are not forced to respect them at least in a traditional sense>If an Ethereal needs a chair and there are none he will hypnotise tau to act as chairsPure non canon speculation for all we know the tau would do such things willingly.
>>94279684votann are even more gay than tau.Tau at least have some cool designs.Votann have shit designs AND shit lore.
>>94279684They are not cow people, stop with this nomodel bullshit already.
>>94283024>You're never going to convince anyone that a society of communists who low-key worship an illuminati cult of space Jews are actually the good guys.Counterpoint: Real life.
>>94279827>fraction
>>94283211The truth is that the Tau are sometimes used as a mirror of Mankind during its golden age. It makes sense they would follow similar policies as the Emperor, which was the only time when the Imperium kinda worked and prospered, and repeat his mistakes.
>>94281995You are retarded.Tau are basically a machine for making plot holes and bad writing far worse.You can accept terminators not wearing helmets in universe if it's never really pointed out. In universe, it works for whatever reason.But then the tau come along and show that it actually doesn't work, because the writers have to show them being le heckin reasonable. Now space marines are just literal retards even though they're supposed to be geniuses.Tau pump out this kind of thing.
>>94282566The tau easily learn from all those mistakes retard.
>>94283409But the Tau also don't wear helmets, sometimes. Also Stormsurge has an open cockpit for some bloody reason (even though many Tau players kitbash it to make it a closed one).
>>94283409>Now space marines are just literal retards even though they're supposed to be geniuses.Always were. Tau were not needed to point it out
>>94283409The Imperium was always portrayed as a bunch of medieval space morons.
>>94283409You are retarded.Cawl is basically a machine for making plot holes and bad writing far worse.You can accept tyranids eating whole planets in universe if it's never really pointed out. In universe, it works for whatever reason.But then the Cawl comes along and show that nids only eat three feet of the crust of a planet, because the writers have to show him being le heckin scientific.Now space marines are just literal anorexics even though they're supposed to be gluttons that eat everything. Cawl pumps out this kind of thing.
>>94283418they don't lol they keep repeating them. They kept trying to make peace with orks until they realised it was impossible and have them now marked as kill on sight.The old lore was full of little examples of the Tau trying to impose their way and getting btfo by xenos to the point it made them genocidal.
>>94283418no they don't retard.>>94283295he doesnt use hypno toad powers to get his way and believes in free will
>>94283368Tau'va is not a religious ideology, its a fanatical political ideology like communism.They dont believe in gods or the divine the thought literally enrages them, without a n ethereal around to calm them
>>94283368>he hasnt read the Tau BL booksThe Tau literally kill themselves quietly to make room for a Tau Ethereal on a crowded tram.Like imagine a train in japan and the commuters crushed each other to death to get out of the way of an important person. Theres zero panic or resistance just calm euphoria. Its creepy as hell.
>>94283504What a fucking insane failure at trying to draw a parallel.
>>94283479Nope. Space marines are supposed to be tactical geniuses.
>>94283577>Posts example of tau learning from their mistakes>And without even taking any kind of horrific losses or jeopardising their ideology.
>>94283393the Emperor was trying to protect humanity by keeping chais a secret and advocating atheism.The Ethereal are straight up concealing it to maintain the illusion they are in control.
>>94283671If they are the agents of some third xeno race (likely the Eldar) to uplift and guide the Tau, they probably instructed about Chaos too. A lot of elements of Tau society and biology seem designed to be as resistant to Chaos as possible.
>>94283844pure fanfic headcanon. Theres no evidence of this
>>94283582>he doesnt use hypno toad powers to get his wayHe literally does thobeight. In fact he even uses them to mindrape wveryone into believing he isn't short because he's an insecure manlet
>>94283671>Emperor was trying to protect humanity by keeping chais a secretBut chai tea is good for you. Why is the Emperor a retarded faggot at literally every turn?
>>94283854Headcannon only insofar as the culprit. But it is evident that the Ethereals are not natural. Description of their introduction makes it seems like they came from space. Also, plenty of material points out how the daemons have a hard time seeing Tau and it is hard to corrupt them.
>>94283621You sound extremely assmad
>votrannies have so little staying power their own thread about replacing the tau has been replaced with tau discussion instead Holy shit nusquats were such a mistake. It'll be funny when GW resquats them due to poor sales and no identity.
>>94283870If the Emperor could do what the Ethereals do. The HH would never have happened.In fact most of the events in the setting would never have happened.>>94283879Theres no higher power or higher calling revealed as of yet about the Ethereals, If the Ethereals have a secret agenda they are keeping it completely secret.
>>94283870>thobeight>is a literal esl retard that doesnt understand the lore beyond reading shit off redditimagine my shock
>>94283933>If the Emperor could do what the Ethereals do. The HH would never have happened>the Emperor is weaker than an ethereal What a sad, pathetic little man.>>94283942>got filtered by thobeight>has to resort to screeching about reddit because he knows he lostI accept your concession, lil bro.
>>94282725If I get 3 wishes from a genie one of them is going to be that if anyone ever says the words "noble bright" in sequence they immediately explode into a shower of gore
>>94282137Tau are not communists, anyone who thinks they are is either just parroting what they heard someone else say or if they read all their lore and still think Tau are communist then they are just midwits with low education. Are ancient Spartans also communists? They had no money, lived in communal halls, has a caste system of sorts, your job was assigned, etc.
>>94284072The tau communism nonsense is Krieg shovel tier meme bullshit.A meme repeated by secondaries until they think it's real fluff. It's the "you swallow 3 spiders in your sleep" misinformation but for 40k
Is it true what I hear sometimes that the Tau were designed to try to capture some more Japanese audience back in the day? I heard that was part of the intent, just that it failed.
>>94283913I mean what do you expect they are basically mini space marines but without the decades of background fluff and they are just not that interesting fluff wise they basically appeal to almost no one.Tau on the other hand always lead to discussions about ideologies and how people interpret them, about the origins of ethereals and their "creators", minor xenos etc.
>>94284238I'm just astounded how dwarves manage to be the most boring, shittiest part of a setting yet again.
>>94284212It wasn't for nips it was for weebs.
>>94282372Except that caste is also vertical.
>>94279684>>94282470The problem I see with the Tau is that GW never treated them as a threat when they should be yet another reason the imperium is fucked.
>>94286309no. Its taoist with ethereals in the centre and the castes revolving around them. In theory. In practice the Ethereals are a privileged elite eg Animal Farm
>>94279684I think the tau would be better if they didnt remind me of the chinese
>>94282008Meanwhile the tau are basically globohomo
>>94290309the chinese part is the fun part
>>94284072>Tau are not communists,Yea yea muh real communism has never been tried excuseCommunism is also supposed to be a moneyless classless society and yet neither the soviet union or modern china were that.The Tau ARE communists because real communism is a scam to get you to implement socialism.
>>94282395Literally every government that has called itself communist has had classesThe tau are more similar to soviet russia and china than they are to anywhere else.
>>94282609>they created the caste system to stop them from fightingSounds very similar to civilisation stages in marxismThe whole one must be capitalist before becoming socialist to then become communist.One must have a caste system so that you stop fighting so that in some undetermined point in the future you will get your real communism (wont happen)
>>94283155>the tau are based on JapanAnd yet they reek of ChinaRiddle me this why do weebs hate the tau?
>>94283024The Tau cry out in pain as they strike you
>>94283155>to the japanese emperor and his "godly bloodline" Its china and the mandate of heavenTau are based on 道 (Tao)
>>94279684Make your own sci-fi setting instead of doing free rewrites for GW
>>94283295In what way was the emperor communist? Hes much more like space Ceasar
>>94279973Anon I'm pretty sure there's one single source for that, and it's like in lore imperial propaganda BS that we know to be largely false, like them chewing cud. I don't think there's anything actually supporting that.
>>94290354I disagreeI dont like chinese people or the Tau
>>94290532meh, i dont care i just love their exaggerated Chinese accents
>>94290488>all the lore is imperial propagandawhy are tau fags like this, you truly are faggots
>>94290566>why are tau fags like thisBecause theyre faggot communists
>>94290616i have a theory 99% of the shitposts in the fandom are communist tau players just reacting to things said about tau.For example we all know tau are the propaganda faction. Their response is to call literally everything in the setting Imperial propaganda.People know the Tau are an on the nose communist parody. Their response is to inanely screech the Imperium are fascists.
>>94282936>no u I accept your concession
>>94290566Anon it's literally written from the POV of shit the imperium would tell like, grunts. Why are you so disingenuous?
>>94282941>because it upsets and offendsWhy do you assume that?I am not a communist.
Why do retards get angry when you tell them that a caste system is not the same as communism?
>>94279684Cabal are here to stay. Enjoy your clones.
>>94282008Nobody thinks the Imperium did nothing wrongThe Imperium is still the best choice for humanity and I will back humanity always and forever
>>94290643No it isnt
>>94290656Why do communists keep saying caste and class are the same thing.Literally different words and things.I know it's because communists are retards.
>>94290793Yes the fuck it is. Is it not from the same "Imperial Infantry primer" that says shit like "Eldar use shitty weapons" or "Ork have weak bones" and "Tyranids are blind and quick movements confusd them" it's such obvious propaganda that it's literally meant to be comical you drooling retard.
>>94290801only faggots answer a question with another question.
>>94290832no it isn't you fucking idiot. Stop repeating reddit circlejerk fanfiction.The Imperium isn't like the Tau.
>>94290835only faggots defend communism
>>94290760>The Imperium is still the best choice for humanityThat's not true, the Imperium is a disaster that isn't even working as it should.
>>94290850Ok, I never did.>no uI accept your concession
>>94290338true>>94290377>>94290398How is it so difficult to understand?the caste system is not the same as communism.
>>94290465>>94283155yeah
>>94290852So whos a better choice for humansChaos? The Tyranids?The orcs?The necrons?The tau? LmfaoYeah the imperium is the best choice mankind have by a fucking longshot
>>94290886Its irrelevant the Tau are still communist, hell they are even better at being communist than the soviets and chinese
>>94290886Read Hegel if you wish to understand how communism became what it is today.A caste system isnt incompatible with communism, hell capitalism isnt even incompatible with communism See deng in china doing a hegelian dialectic to sythesise communism and capitalism into socialism with chinese characteristics
>>94290838I genuinely don't know if you're just trolling or genuinely fucking stupid. Your IQ is below room temp if you think shit like this is meant to be believed as hard fact.
>>94290427>Riddle me this why do weebs hate the tau?because it is an anti-weebs faction disguised as being a faction for otakus.>>94286277It is not true and if it were true they also failed in that too.
>>94290919no, anon.Listen to me, listen carefully. You are not half as smart as you think you are.You are in fact a very stupid person who gets his opinions from reddit echochambers.If your first reaction to all lore in the setting is its Imperial propaganda you are frankly an idiotic dumbfuck that can't read.
>>94290931Ah, so you're trolling. Got it.
>>94290926You could have just said because the tau resemble the chinese and not the japanese and nobody outside china likes china
>>94290897>So whos a better choice for humansThe tau.
>>94290919>but it was written by the imperiumYes and?Name one untrue statement Everything it says is objectively true.
>>94290918internet commies basically have the position>my position is "all the good things"Their opponents are all the bad things.So they naturally assume a negative connotation to "caste". Their communism is all the good things, and absolutely cannot be criticised.Never mind that theres inherently nothing negative about a caste system, in fact the caste system as outlined in the Tau society has absolutely nothing negative about it. They simply unified the subspecies of the Tau and let them continue the roles they are good at.What this faggot is saying is the Tau are nit communist because they haven't eliminated race distinctions...
>>94290937nah
>>94290945Denounce communismSay karl marx was a worthless neet.
>>94290934Anon, the anti-iom pro-tau subsection of redditors that call all lore they dont like "imperial propaganda" are stupid faggots and so are you.
>>94290947The Orks are not feeble and brittle boned. The average ork can tear the average guardsman in half with his bare hands. This is literal tongue in cheek propaganda that's meant to make fans, who are aware that it's untrue, chuckle from the absurdity. It's the Imperial pumping up their own dudes to not be afraid of the enemy, It's propaganda. >>94290963You legitimately cannot look at that screen cap excerpt I posted before and call it anything but propaganda. Do you honestly have the gall to say Orks are more feeble than humans? Why the fuck are you obsessed with reddit.
>>94290973>The Orks are not feeble and brittle boned.Meanwhile the orcs always fucking lose.
>>94290980And bears could easily be made extinct by humanity. Must mean they're far weaker than the average human.You should have no problem fighting a bear 1v1 with just your fists then right?Why do people come on here just to be disingenuous faggots about everything? Do you hate your own hobby so much all you can think to do with discussion is shit stir and pretend to be a retard?
>>94290955>internet commies basically have the position>my position is "all the good things">Their opponents are all the bad things.Spot on, they also consider all things left to be good and all things right to be bad to such a degree that if there is a left leaning ideology they disagree with they claim its right wing.
>>94290919>some random gag box>shows a tau with feet instead of hooves>mentions nothing about their bovine ancestrywhy are you such a ginormous low iq faggot
>>94290960Why the hell do I have to prove to you that I'm not a communist?I just gave you the correct answer that the morons who write the lore decided.Do you want me to prove to you that I am not a communist? Communism and fascism are the same ideology.Karl Marx was a historian who thought that because he knew history his opinion was worth something.Furthermore, like all communists, he was a bourgeois parasite.now kys
>>94290919retard
>>94290994>And bears could easily be made extinct by humanityBears dont have guns and dont fight in group vs group combat so its a silly comparisonOrks have numbers + they waah together and yet they still always lose.
>>94290955>>94290999You guys are the same and that you don't realize it is hilarious.
The Tyranids are communists.
>>94291027kek true
>>94291009>I just gave you the correct answer that the morons who write the lore decided.Its the wrong answer thoAside from having a disgusting ideology.Remember when the tau slaughtered the humans working with them because the tau created tau'va
>>94291015Them losing doesn't mean they're weaker than a human you absolute fucking mongoloid. Just because the imperium can btfo them with better tech doesn't mean an Ork couldn't rip a man in half and definitely isn't "feeble". >>94291005It's not "some random gag box" mother fucker have you never looked at the sources? It's from the "The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer" EVEN THE FUCKING NAME MAKES IT OBVIOUS PROPAGANDA. The whole thing is written to the POV that you're some random schmuck guardsmen so it says a lot of OBVIOUS BULLSHIT that they tell their troops to improve their morale.The Tau shit comes from the Damocles gulf edition, which is for Guardsmen that'd be fighting the Tau, so it goes the extra mile describing them as pathetic so the guardsmen won't be scared. None of you faggots would be arguing this way if you'd actually looked at where this fucking "lore" came from you moronic cunt.
>>94291040>Its the wrong answer thoit is not>Aside from having a disgusting ideology.What ideology are you talking about?>Remember when the tau slaughtered the humans working with them because the tau created tau'vaAre you referring to the ending of a game that is not canon?
>>94291053Plus, every time the Imperium beats the Orks it costs them a lot.
>>94291027WrongTyranids are monarchistsThey have queens
>>94291053the imperium uplifting primer is a joke text you fucking moronThe fact it shows a tau with feet is also a fucking joke.You dimwit holy shit
>>94291053Its not just the imperium thoThe orcs almost always lose to everyone theyre the settings punching bag.
>>94291066>They have queensYes, communists also have that in real life.
>>94291072>orcs>>94291070cope
>>94291077Last time I checked the commies killed the royal family when they took over russia
>>94291082you tremendously DUMB person, like all tau fags
>>94291070The shit that says the Tau chew cud and are methane farting cow people is LITERALLY A VERSION OF THAT PRIMER BASED AROUND THE DAMOCLES GULF CRUSADE.Provide me a single other fucking actual source that says shit like that.
>>94291082>no arguement >resorts to grammer nazi'ng a fictional race.
>>94291072Whether they win or lose as a whole has literally nothing to do with if they are "feeble" or "brittle-boned" on an individual basis. You KNOW this is true, so why are you so deadset on insisting otherwise? What the fuck do you gain from this bullshit?
>>94291087Anon, again you are not a bright person. The thing about them being cows is the hooves and lore about their evolution.They have hooves, they were descended from a hooved animal
>>94291085I don't like The T'au, moron.>>94291083Yes and they replace that with a dictator, which is the same shit.
>>94291089>>no arguementyou didn't make one either
>>94291107>t'autau fags are such retarded liars
>>94291087I agree with you, the Tau arent cow peopleThey are chinese
>>94291102Look anon ive never fought an ork before but if youre gonna tell me the guys that canonically always lose are not weak then you're just wrong.>but gw say theyre strongAnd gw also say they always lose
>>94291106nta but you're a moron.The argument was that this was the objective truth or a subjective opinion to spread propaganda in the universe.It is obvious that it is a joke, but it is a parody of military propaganda.
>>94291129faggot you are retarded not everything is subjective. Tau have hooves you low iq retard
>>94291115>you are lying!!1!1!1!!cope and seethe>>94291117kek
>>94279684No.The superficially welcoming "Greater Good" stuff is interesting and can be interpreted as them secretly advancing their own interests. They're a lot more interesting than Space Dwarves. At least they were until they were made irrelevant by limiting them to slower-than-light travel.
>>94291131Yes, moron. But not everything this piece of propaganda parody says is true.
>>94280379They're not cow people, they're Space Chinese, or perhaps Greys if you prefer.
>>94291117they are tao cows that kow tow to Ethereals
>>94291144irrelevant low iq retard. Tau have hooves. You absolutely special fuck.
>>94291146>Tau kow tow to the israelsInteresting
>>94291027
>>94286206because they didn't do anything with them, they're just there.but they have potential, with a redesign and changing their lore a little they can be a great addition to the universe.
>>94291150>he repeats the argument again like a parrotI accept your concession
>>94291150Chinese women also have hooves due to the shoes they wearFoot binding
Tau represent Modernity. No other faction in Warhammer thinks like modern humans. Everyone is either a medieval moron or a monster.
>>94291106Their planet didn't have cows. The cow connection is literally just meant to denigrate them like calling humans monkeys but with even a less true connection as humans are at least apes whereas Tau and Cows would be wholly unrelated.Why not deer? Or camels? Or pigs? Boars? Giraffes? They have just as much of a connection as cows do.Saying "I call them cows as what equates to a slur" and saying "This is an alien race of bovine people" are entirely different things. >>94291117I don't give a shit about this side of the argument one way or the other as I haven't read enough Tau shit to have an opinion. It just Irks me to see people using shit from the guardsmen propaganda books as "canon".>>94291124That doesn't change the fact that I've watched a random ork rip off the arm of a space marine with ease in canon material.
>>94291173When the tau were first encountered, by Lucian and other rogue traders, they were deemed a low-level threat. They were found only in small groups, coreward of the gulf, and usually acting as mercenaries or advisors to planetary governors who had… strayed, to a greater or lesser extent, from the rule of the Imperium. But that was uncovered as a ruse. They were acting as fifth columnists, infiltrating system after system in an effort to expand their sphere of influence. The crusade was raised to put that threat down. Every shred of intelligence and analysis available to us indicated they could hold no more than a handful of worlds. When they were first catalogued, millennia ago, they were no more than over-evolved dromedaries with no technology more advanced than sharp sticks. -Savage ScarsSee they are descended from Camels, pretty close to a cow
>>94291157I like anime, but I hate when coomers try to transform everything into a waifu.
>>94291179see>>94291181Tau were descended from some alien cow camel>denigrate themwho cares fucking retard its fiction.
>>94291179Was probably the weakest spacemarine if a brittle boned ork could tear his arm off
>>94291181>When the tau were first encountered, by Lucian and other rogue traders, they were deemed a low-level threatbecause they were.The rest of your post is lies that you made up.
>>94291191its a quote from the novel Savage Scars. You absolutely lost Tau fag. Fuck off
>>94291189nah, orks are strong.
>>94291186Camels are not cows you stupid cunt.
>>94291197Nah I told the orks they have brittle bones and they believed me, so they do.
>>94291196Yes, and that is a novel from the point of view of the Imperium of Man, not the ultimate and objective truth.
>>94291199Aliens are not literally camels, you actual retarded cunt. its an approximation because Tau were a desert dwelling hooved animal.
>>94291213>everything is imperial propagandai rest my case, you are an actual idiot. You believe everything is the setting is propaganda, even when its not.
>>94291202It is a lie of the Imperium of Man that everything the Orks believe becomes true.
>>94291214Motherfucker you and everyone else has been saying "COWS. THEY'RE COWS. THEY GOT HOOVES THEY'RE COWS" you don't get to turn around and act like that's the same fucking thing or like that you've been arguing they're camels the whole time. Fuck yourself, I accept your concession.
>>94291215>>everything is imperial propagandaI never said that.
>>94291219That trick wont work on me because im not an ork.
>>94291279It seems like they learned to clean their machines.
>>94291289Why was the post deleted?
>>94291295Wrong topic.
>>94291299Yes, but it's better than the shit we're talking about.
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>>94291326kino
>>94291027Wrong, they're nommunists
>>94291224Tau are camels. Beasts of burden.
>>94291159>because they didn't do anything with them, they're just thereSo they're a TRVE dwarf faction then. "Just there" is the perfect description of dwarves in pretty much every single setting that features them.
