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To the guy that wanted giant growth.dekXyrisSovereign whateverKutzilServant JohnI built Finneas as a giant growth deck as well
Tell us about your decks you took apart: how many, why?
What are commanders like this?
>>94286278I take apart old decks and make new decks like 2 or 3 times a month. Sometimes a deck doesn't hash out like I thought or I don't enjoy it or it's too good or it's too bad. I just took apart Zinnia Dinosaurs because it did it's thing a few times then started sucking.
>>94286294Ziatora
>*Solves ur archetype*Post other commanders that are the de-facto best for their respective builds
>>94286294The classic
>>94286294Brion Stoutarm
>>94286310This? It's too costly and slow. Good luck playing it and getting it to stick.
>>94286294Wicked, the Whored Mind.
Everytime I want to order something on TCGplayer now I have to do a dumb fuckin image match and log into my email to get a code to log into my tcgplayer account, is anybody else having this problem? real fuckin annoying, for some reason a password isnt enough now
>>94286452>my opponents held removal for my 6 mana commander and not the 18/6 frog running at their face
>>94286176Are commanders with >4 cmc ever worth playing? I want to make a deck with picrel but I'm not sure since he's so expensive.
>>94286663the commander literally has a payoff for having a board built for him to land on i think that'd be the first tip off that you should focus on playing the game with a gameplan other than "I rush to cast my commander before everyone else"
>>94286663He does have the upside that he offers immediate advantage when he enters, since you can play a bunch of demons and then use him to help refill your hand.That's already probably good enough to be playable, absent anything else. Being higher cmc isn't a big drawback when you need time to establish a board anyway.
>>94286663demons are one of the most expensive tribes, but they are really good, being in grixis colors also enable a lot of rituals so you can cast him earlier than you think
>>94286663If your commander is less than four to cast, I guarantee you it's gonna cost eight once I'm done with it.
Is she any good in the command zone? Maybe she's better as an unexpected drop.
Thoughts on this? No evasion makes it a bit akward, but +10/+10 is such an enourmous boost that you're likely to kill at least one person, and vigilance means you don't have to worry about retaliation
>>94286968the vigilance is actually really nice, can be good for a go wide finisher despite how expensive it is
>>94286897Better as a drop, you can just run her as a part of a good stuff pile with her just being a troll pick against a token deck.Also her trigger is a dies trigger so cards like Rayami which replace dying with another action don't cause it to trigger.
Gay Bolas
WEEELLLLLLLL
>>94286968I like it. Protects against fogs and such and pretty much ensures next turn if they block you'll still have an open board to swing in to.
>>94286176I just looked at Duel Commander rules and couldn't find anything about a ban on picrel. Are you telling me that Duel Commander, a much more conservative format, allows dockside meanwhile it's banned in EDH????
>>94286278maybe like 6 decks. thinking of taking apart one in the near future>my first one, sigarda. she was just a pile of bulk because I had no cards and not really fun in the end>kadena morph precon. it's a fun deck and I had it for a while but the wincon being an alpha strike even with the pickles lock really grew old after a while. also the secondary legendary volrath was more fun anyway and I still have him>hapatra. not only did she get powercrept hard but again I transformed it to the nu-volrath so it's still kinda a -1/-1 counter deck>og thassa. tried blue voltron. didn't work out. now I have minn>yasova. now we get to the reason I mostly take apart decks. I keep finding ways to combine existing deck ideas so rather than having multiple decks with the same idea I make them a single deck with a new legend>merieke berit. like yasova I had this for a good while and both of them were steal decks so I just made brenard and combined them bothnow I have ratadrabik and brenard and they both make tokens via death so I'm thinking if I should take one apart. I'm also tempted to build balloon man and I think I have a problem
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>>94287201https://www.mtgdc.info/banned-restricted I don't see it anywhere, wtf
>>942872011 opponent vs 3 so it's not as bad obviously seems to make sense did you think before posting?
>>94287201sure, have my reply, bait-kun. someone's gonna answer anywayduel only has one opponent so it's not as broken
When will Wizards come out with the new ranking system, I'm tired of assholes saying it's a casual deck and then playing t2/t3 win decks
>>94287236When will Wizards revise their new ranking system, I'm tired of assholes saying my casual deck broken for playing armageddon and still losing
>>94286176that onemaybe Gilgamesh's Excalibur/Excalipoor in 6 months
>>94287137we're so back
>>94287289Wizards should ban you for playing armageddon without having a win con with it.
>>94287137>>94287213>noseless faggot wearing a skirt original art and design of krenko still moggs any modern slop they pump out of him
will this lil muffin appear in the Foundations Bundle? he appears on the Bundle box but I’ve never bought bundles before and have no idea how it works. does a card appearing on the bundle imply that it’s going to be the promo card inside it?
>>94287289how will they revise it? in their own goddamn stream they were like>yeah we put vamp tutor in t4 but actually cards don't exist in a vacuum so if you put vamp tutor in your t1 deck it's still t1meaning even they admit determining "power level" is impossible. That's why all they can actually do is create a ban list for the most annoying cards, construct precons to establish the power floor of the format and just tell people to deal with it
Who's most worth it in the command zone?
>>94287406That makes it sound like it's some sort of cumulative ranking, where you'd need multiple cards of a certain tier to make the whole deck that tier.
>>94287422the general sentiment was your true deck power level is determined by its ability to win efficiently and consistently
What are some truly unhinged targets for this card? Either to disrupt a combo or to combo with
>The Stolen Child>Fantasy epic directed by MtG artist Seb MckinnonMcKino is back on the menu boys!
>>94287433 changing their island into a plains OHHOHOHOHOHHAAAAHAAHAAAAA now that... now that is unhinged!!! only i could think of something so dark and twisted....
>>94287416>To WinKaalia or Godo>For FunBaba
>>94287416Baba Lysaga goated card here
>>94287109He looks like a bottom.
>>94287406the og article said a card with a single tier 4 card is a tier 4 deck. I know it doesn't make a lick of sense because of what you said and the revision should address these thingsbut try as they might. I think the whole tier system is going to evolve through community more than anything and will propably end up being a strict banlist for people who want to play in a certain tier
>>94287601I look forward to telling people in my pod to fuck off with rhystic, armageddon, etcI was already telling someone yesterday that I think straight tutors in general kind of suck for the format.
>>94287626What are your thoughts on gay tutors?
>>94287626I agree with non-basic tutoring. it just baffles me why people would think something like rhystic or armageddon would be anywhere near some cards that actually win the game instantly and put them in the same tier
>>94287652armageddon just arbitrarily extends the game (or you're working around it which is also kind of a shitter thing) and rhystic is less so about its power level and moreso about it being fucking annoyingObviously you want some sort of direction for your deck but I think the direct intentionality of straight tutors like diabolic etc (at least for casual pods who gives a shit about cedh) is kind of against the point.Communes, fixing, etc I think are fine though
>>94287680I think the problem with the ranking system was that they named it the "power" bracket when it really should be the salt bracket looking at the cards we have there now
>>94287637all tutors are gay tutors
>>94287709Demonic tutor is as straight as a tutor can get. Can't actually think of any straighter tutor.
>>942877362 is a very fruity mana cost
>>94287652Having tier 4 be high-power and tier 3 be high-salt would make at least a bit more sense.
>>94286350I'd rather play Marina vendrell
>>94287736>as straight as a tutor can getWrong. Creatures WILL be impregnated by me
>>94287737I feel like the spacing is JUST too much to make it work.
>>94286663In some rare cases. Usually if they are partner commanders
>>94286663Yes fuck sakes this general is retarded
>>94286663Nemata is still great
Cant wait to add new Koma to my Kiora deck
>>94287137HE AINT MY BOY BUT THE BROTHER IS HEAVY
>>94287389Why do some of you fanboy over this characters nose? Why is that important to you
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94287814instead of going for the obvious changes (blacks, women, and ugly) they go for schizo nonsense that's easily disprovenwho knows why
>>94287737like credits to a movieas init's over
>>94287389Ahem.
>Swordbro posts a cool deck>everyone seethes
>>94287814yeah I'm waiting for the iconic blue goblins too lmaooh, wait..
>>94287416Only one of those I've played is Liesa, forgotten archangel. She was fun but I'm a degenerate who was using her to loop plaguecrafters which might not be your thing.
>>94287859?mizzix and electromancer are pretty popular
>>94287814I just think it's lame that they're removing design elements that used to be key to their look like this. Goblins look weird and have big noses. It's a weird exaggerated feature intended to be part of their feel of being weird, ugly, creepy, or funny depending on the intent of the goblin being designed. A lot of them just look like green people now. Which isn't as fun. Still, all things considered I wouldn't say this new Krenko is that bad. There are worse goblins.
>>94287814it is a very obvious design on his original card, he looks absolutely nothing like his original appearance in any of his new versions or new art
>>94287737Is there one of these with double strike yet?
>>94287885This is literally green under a blue light. Mizzix is also green still
>>94287885good bait
>>94287895anon goblins are literally the least consistent creature type in the entire gamethey're fucking monkeys on ixalan and they were weird furry midgets in tarkir
>>94287904One of what
>>94287905there are literally blue "goblins" on ixalan tho
>>94287416Stout is a shitty Henzie go for Minsc
>>94287914Yeah, and on Ravnica they've got big noses. It'd be weird if we went back to Tarkir or Ixalan and all of the goblins were just completely bald.
>>94287936>It'd be weird if we went back to Tarkir or Ixalan and all of the goblins were just completely bald.Oh no ugin fucked up the timeline again after bolas got horny.
>>94287922Cool.... those aren't the ones he brought up?>your examples are wrong>ermmmmmm but elsewhere!!I don't care. I'm responding to what is posted
>>94287944>Get proven wrong and still try to be a smug asshole about ityep that's edh for you
I'm still mad about the blue gobbos. and I will be mad about the lack of their noses just the sameLEAVE GOBLIN DESIGN ALONE
post your fav goblin art>no blue gobliggers allowed
Ban mana crypt in vintage
if anything this isnt blue, its skin tone is more so a greyish human color under blue light
Straight Bolas
>>94287941God I wish just imagine Ugin pounding Bolas so hard he loses control of his magic and makes the dragons even more dominant on the plane.
Fourty (40) starting life is objectively superior to thirty (30)
>>94287895You must hate the anime goblins then, right? Or are you one of those hypocritical weebs?
Is Kibo playable or hot garbage in the command zone?
>>94287961What was i proven wrong about? Electromancer and Mizzix are green. That is my only claim here, if you want to be right, be right from the get go and don't cry when your original argument is disproven
>>94285375What's it like being a true, genuine retard? So stupid that you actually defy reality itself to support someone you don't know for no reason?
>>94287902Let's be honest. It's because retards equate large noses to Jews and think that removing that from a fictional race is appeasing the jews
>>94288070That's subtle, I'd let it slide until it became a problem
>>94288070He is one of the most popular commanders in those colors, anon
>>94288070Bananas should have the food subtype
>>94288089>deck features discard>ifnir pays off discard>this is bad somehowAnon I am not going to argue with you about tripfags or anything else. I genuinely think the merit to Ifnir in that deck is set in stone and makes a fair amount of sense.>Declare attack>Loot>reward is crippling every other creature on the board in a combat deck>the first discard kills every mana dork in a 3 mile radius>guaranteed discard every single turn>has discard outlets like Call the Bloodline, Blood Tokens, Tortured Existence, Connive, and flipwalker TeferiI'm not saying it's the best-in-slot primo big dick choice but it's a perfectly serviceable card that will likely see use and alter games at bare minimum. And if the game isn't going well, cycle it away and reanimate it later. I will not continue to reply to your retarded bullshit so please don't even @ me.
>>94288103>be jew>see goblin>a vile backstabbing war mongering smelly violent sociopath with immense tribalism ideals that once given any ounce of power immediately abuses to subjugate other races>immediately think its antisemeticsounds more like a problem with jews to me
>>94287803GAVE AWAY MY POSSESSIONSAND MOVE INTO A CHEVY
>>94288165But you're the one who thinks it is anti semitic? Are you retarded?
>>94287999nevermono white initiative and aggro shops are based
>>94288089Hating tripfags shouldn't make you retarded anon ^.^
>>94288183nigger if i thought it was anti semetic theyd be wearing tiny hats have curly jew hair and run all the banks and media, think before you reply you fucking retard scum
>>94288197But you just said Jews thought it was anti semitic? Where did you get that from?
>brand new green enchantment from bloomburrow, has raccoon token generation>"Oh sweet a new card for Bell-">3 mana costWhyWHYBUT SIMIC GETS A PERFECTLY TIER 0 CARD IN KOSMAS 2!?!?!?!?! BLATANT FUCKING FAVORITISM
>>94288316It's always been this way, calm down
>>94288316>koma Is this bait or are you just really bad at the game?
>>94288233anon why are they changing the goblins
Is Henge kill on sight?
>>94288772It's not a creature, so you can't kill it
is this legal as a commander duo or what
>>94288772if it resolves it's actually too late since they can break even on mana and gain 2 life so counter on sight would be more accurate
>>94288778No.
>>94287433
>>94288787Okay, have a nice day anon
>>94288777I know you're being cute but I'm baffled at how many people just do not interact with artifacts/enchantments even if they're in the right colors for it.The most I see is a Farewell, but never like an Abrade or Disenchant.Someone will throw out a Wrath of God because there is one 6/6 on the board, but won't even blink at two different mana doubling artifacts/enchantments.
>>94288807that might be becauseyou knowI don't always have it!
>>94288816It's not a matter of not having it at the time, it's a matter of not including it in the deck at all.
dont unban mana crypt
>>94288807An all time classic
>>94288778god some of the UB crossovers make me so fucking mad, they really put that young sheldon looking motherfucker in the game
>>9428885040k was based, the rest were cringe.
>>94288858Everything is cringe except the things you like, right?
>>94288144>if a card even tangentially works it's goodi hope you look back on this post someday with shame
>>94288869Yes
>>94288858Wrong
>>94288878and this is why we don't tolerate UB
Do you pay the 1?
>>94288887So you won't play UB cards at all? Even legitimately good ones?
>>94288316>koma>goodLOL idk how you deluded niggas can cry about koma when etali exists
>>94288891>guy at the table always plays rhystic and has insane card draw in all his decks>add consecrated sphinx>resolve consecrated sphinx>he scoops as soon as he sees it and calls it unfairLOL
>>94288858This except Doctor Who
>>94288850Honest question: How many times have you seen him played in a game of magic? I'm going to bet 0.Most would just use the Universe Within version, because it costs many magnitudes less. You'd only see this against some genuine stranger things fan. Some of you whine about UB, but it's cards you will never see at all, and primarily exist as novelty.
>>94288986I mean, that'll be true until half of all sets are UB.
>>94288931>EtaliFar easier to deal with, and also doesn't fuck you over as directly. Etali can't tap down my 3 plains. Nor can he dodge removal. Also 6 power vs constantly making 3/3's
>>94288316>make the card cheaper, therefore more efficient and more powerful>at least one retard spergs out about itAmazing.
>>94288902I will not. Even if they printed the perfect card for my favorite deck, one that would make it play more smoothly and more enjoyably, I would not slot it in until it had a Universes Within version,
Anyway, here's a card you will see forever.
>>94288891Nigga do you pay the 4?
>>94288778I mean they're not the same name I don't see why not
>>94289042Meh
>>94288891Sure, but I'm swinging for 10 poison counters GG ez, shitstic study crutch user
>>94288778>>94288787Why wouldn't this be viable? They have different names and Friends Forever is open ended.
>>94289042Wasn't expecting a power crept Damnation but here we are
>>94289068Because they're considered the same card. Othelm has the =SLD 346, indicating equivalency with SLD 346, which is Mike.
>>94289042>of their choiceWhy does that phrase exist on this card? It just should say "each player sacrifices thirteen creatures"
>>94289042>A bunch of villagers having a party with skelebro>Blasphemy Skeletons really are an oppressed race
>>94289078Seems to just be a wording change with Foundations. Unclear if it's forever, or just for that set to help newer players.
>>94289078>*looks down at my board of 20 squirrel tokens, chatterfang, squirrel sovereign, thornvault forager, and squirrel mob*Erm... awkward!
>>94289076Wow, that's fucking stupid. They created the subname thing specifically to avoid confusion like this, and then they didn't use it.
>>94289105Yeah, it's sort of 'retroactively there' for Universes Within stuff like this. Othelm is the "real name", despite coming later.
>>94289001that will take a long time considering there were like 96+ sets before they did UB sets
>>94289042Eh. won't help vs the token deck with 18 saprolings out, that it can easily replenish. I don't see this as an upgrade to other removal. Saccing is nice, but sometimes destroy all is better.
>>94289134It kills indestructible things and bypasses the usual protection that sacrifice fodder provides because the number is so big
this thing made me draw so many cards in my token deck. nobody ever wants to block 1/1 deathtouch creaturesend of game, my library was down to <20 and there was no mill player in the pod
>>94288167VAAAN YEAH IT'S THE MASTER PLAN
>>94289198also, this thing is my new favorite tactical board wipe
>>94289076Magic is fucking cooked.
>>94286968Pros:>It's funny >vigilance prevents crackbacksCons:>name doesn't really fit a finisher>not a being a creature really matters in greenOverall I like it, might try it out in Seton
>>94289105>>94289068>>94288778now i want lore showing all the innistrad friends forever legends being bros
>>94289222Whenever I slot it in a deck, it's always a card I end up cutting. It's good to fuck with token users because you can cast it for x=0, but I've generally got an enchantment at 2-3-4 I'd really rather not have destroyed. Always seems a little too much destructive for yourself in proportion to how much you hurt others. Though I guess if you go full Golgari, things hitting the graveyard is more of a convenience more than anything.
>>94289113Othelm should have gotten the subname if it came second.
>>94289175It has a use. Pretending it is objectively superior is simply wrong
>>94287433Pic related is pretty rad in my Sol'Kanar deck
>>94289301>objectively superiorYou said "I don't see this as an upgrade to other removal" and I said that it was good and useful. It costs one mana whenever there are enough creatures to make you want a board wipe, and that's enough to give it consideration. Even in your example, killing 13 creatures and leaving them with 5 is a big setback.
>>94289262I guess Rayami could make good use of it since you'd just kill everything under his CMC and then swing in with a flying, deathtouch, lifelink, whatever other keywords you manage to pick up.
Unban Mana Crypt
>>94289364not now, not ever.
>>94288070He hoses tryhards and goes very fast.His only issue is lack of trample natively
>>94289351See>>94289072
>>94289105Copyright is one of the worst systems in effect in the world. It should be fully abolished
>>94289351I just made infinite zombies. How does this help you?
>>94289268Fuck you, no, it's the one that's actually a Magic card.
Unban it
>>94289426Fair enough, I would compare it to Barter in Blood before Damnation, but costing one mana is a huge advantage over either.
>>94289450UB cards are magic cards. They are in standard now, even.
>>94289443That's like saying my Damnation is bad because you have Blightsteel Colossus.
>>94289450Then they should have made the real card first. Unfortunately, WotC is shortsighted and incompetent, so Mike is the original card. Othelm is the alternate universe version of Mike, not the other way around.
>>94286968>sorcerysorceeyKills it.
Anyone else gonna buy the foundation deck builder box? It looks like it's going to be full of commander playable stuff instead of standard which is silly but I'll take it
I bought a box of dominaria remastered
>>94289555Nice tripsI remember the deckbuilder's toolkit back in the day being a decent product, this seems similar. If it's not overpriced I might pick it up. What's msrp?
Anyone remember this?
>>94289594I've stopped running this is any decks. Doesn't tap for mana and your opponent chooses which creature fights. I've never had this be useful.
>>94289594No but I remember thisAlso this card is five dollars? I swear I had a stack of them holding up my lopsided desk wtf
>>94289500Yes, it is bad in that situation. No one said the new card is bad. Just that it isn't power creep of damnation
>another zimone card
>>94286452Let me teach you about insurance fraud.
>>94289685She needs to get impregnated by the elf and quickly, that way she can stop appearing on cards.
>>94289105They legally cannot. Law trumps making sense. The entire reason we have these UQ shit is to reprint these cards that will be unprintable again due to copyright law. You can't put the stranger things name on that card or it would need a license just like the regular card did. It is stupid but necessitated by stupid laws. Even if they got permission, it would only be temporary.
How do I abuse these two handsome studs?
>>94289042>amazing art>extremely powerful effect>blackyep, instant classic staple
>>94289723ziatoraorfeo fling
>>94289723traverse the outlands, overwhelming stampede, shit like that
>>94289778Neither of those are in Golgari and you'd need to be retarded to think I meant "in the 99" and not as my commander.
>>94286663Be’lakor’s fun, he’s for demon tribal anyways so you should have cost reducers like Urza’s incubator or Herald of Slaanesh
>>94289042*BANG BANG*>CAM ON INGLAND*BANG BANG*>SAC SOME FACKIN CREATURES*BANG BANG*
>>94289496Nah, fuck you.
>>94289809I dont know what you're mad at me for. Its Wizards who made this decision.
>>94289586draft it with buddies and post pulls fagon the topic of universes within, would anybody be into a full sort of “universes beyond remastered” set done with all new universes within versions? I feel like it’s the only reasonable way for them to catch up even remotely on those
>>94289042This drummer skeleton is right out of a boomer tshirt.
>>94290053I've thought about the same thing. Don't think it could happen though. As a draftable set it would be a mechanical nightmare with no synergy, and Beyond Boosters are a complete flop.
>>94287463
>>94289789it's a "in the 99" creature tho
>>94289789>UBslop enjoying dipshit asking how to abuse a Vanilla creature calling anyone retarded. Pottery
How good is an elf deck in today's meta?
>>94290286One of the best decks I've ever seen had this very version, was creatureless, stax lite, super fucking interactive and a pleasure to battle against.
>>94290286Elves are one of the tribals that are pretty much always strong as hell. Elves and silvers are decks I don't like playing against, pretty much ever
anyone else run the noobtube?
>>942904096 mana and two turns to deal 1 damage? that seems too trash to even be run as dumb fun
>>94289042>The party’s not dead just because I am!I want this on a playmat
>>94290495Lol this was my exact reaction until I reread it. It goes away at the *end of turn* which means you generate a ton of mana and then go HAM with it
>>94290409That is Wood Elemental levels of shit
>>94290510ahhh. Yeah, sure, that pushes it up to the level of dumb fun.
>>94290510>>94290511It's an infinite outlet dumbass
>>94286176Welp, just decided on the face commander for my simic deck. It's Vorel, because fuck this 'smug science niglet' trope to hell and back
>>94288165>Leftie sees orc>A stupid brute that prowls the land in hordes murdering and stealing from everyone they come across>Immediately think of blacks
>>94290053I'll be saving it for vacation in a couple months, but I will
>>94290610>That flavor textI love when really stupid people try to write smart people
>>94290286Jesper should have all of his art equipment taken away for that migu
post irl decks
>>94290664Some of the dumbest, cringiest bullshit. Made 100x worse when it's little kids that're 1000IQ supergeniuses
What decks you running in ya boy planktons box?
>>94290610The amount of legendries they print is stupid but the amount of the same character they make is retarded.
>>94290740saw the ad for the TMNT ones, and these shits cost 2.5 times as a regular one
Pulled him from a pack. Is it possible to make a lower power deck with him?
>>94290821literally no, he's so incredibly busted and the value is so high that it's impossible
>>94290821In theory yes, but the well has been poisoned for years and unless you have a tight friend group that you play with they're going to assume you're lying.
>>94290821Only if you intentionally build the deck to not have any synergy with him and at that point why use him at all.
>>94290610they are pushing this character so fucking hard, this bitch has gotten THREE printings within 2 sets
>>94289623I think original timespiral was the last time this card got printed, one reprint at UC and this shit is a bulk uncommon
>>94290409I had it in ghyrson for funsies
>>94290821No. Everyone should recognize the kind of value you're getting and immediately focus you. Run Sek'Kuar, Kresh even the shittier version of Korvold.
>>94290821Sure, just have him be the only card in the deck that lets you sacrifice anything. No treasure, no fetches, no Steve. Nothing but Jund goodstuff. But not too good.
>>94290740cursed images
>>94290053>on the topic of universes within, would anybody be into a full sort of “universes beyond remastered” set done with all new universes within versions? I feel like it’s the only reasonable way for them to catch up even remotely on thoseUW was only ever a promise for secret lairs, they never said anything about doing it for mini-sets, edh decks, or full setsthat being said, that would be a (comparatively) easy set for them to make, only thing you need is art and some guy to make up characters, all the mechanics are done
>>94291079>UW was only ever a promise for secret lairs, they never said anything about doing it for mini-sets, edh decks, or full setsA promise they also discontinued
>>94290675Jesper is a good artist generally but yea he fucked up miku's face super hardwhich is sad since it's the best card (for me), might pay a friend a few bucks to fix the face.>>94290286it's fine enough in my pod but "metas" are 100% player dependent
>>94291097WotC already doesn't reprint 99% of cards especially if they're expensive for god knows what reason.
>>94291041is this REAL?
>>94291255as real as you and me so maybe fake
>>94291230Yes, but them reprinting other cards was not promised. They quietly shuttered the whole "Reprint mechanically unique cards onto the list" shit. They did SF, Walking dead and stranger things and then just said fuck it. The list was removed with bloomburrow, and we have nearly 2 year old lair-exclusive cards still waiting for reprints.
>>94291309The List was so fucking stupid but they can just shove them into Special Guests or whatever it's called now right
>>94291328They should be able to, but last time Maro was asked he said they were "looking for a place to put these reprints."Which is corporate speak for "don't expect this in the next few years."
Do you think Swordbro's decks actually work irl?
Best monowhite commander/decklist?
>>94291512Heliod stax is probably the "best" mono white list, but stax isn't everyone's cup of tea.
>>94291511real answer: yes, probably okay since he builds decent decksanswer i want to giv: shut the fuck up about the tripfag shut up
>>94291512Oswald is pretty strong for obvious reasons. If you just want to have fun though, I would recommend Beza, the Bounding Spring.
>>94291512darien + soul sisters effects, if theyre gonna hit you they better hit to kill
>>94291512Giada
>>94287137>krenko looks completely different in each new card.wtf?
>>94288058Yes, of course I do. They are the main offenders of the green people complaint.
>>94287416Man I hate Samut's art, but the effect is one I would really like as a commander.
>>94288316Sometimes just one more or less mana cost can really make or break a card.
>>94288891No, never.
>>94287416>Kaalia, Shroud of dusk, GodoYou will draw a lot of hate no matter how you build them.>Baba, Ziatora, Forgotten ArchangelThese are good for more casual tables.>BrionZiatora is better.>SamutI think the deck is too fragile.
>>94290053I'm sure there would be people into that for the reprints alone. But Wizard's has already said they weren't going to do that so it's sunk. If what they've said is still true, only the secret lair universe beyond cards are getting the universes within. Eventually maybe we'll see the Marvel ones like Ironman and Wolverine and the other three in universe, but the actual set is not a guarantee and by what they've said seems like it may just not happen. Shame since I would like some new art for the Doctor Who cards since I don't care about that series but like a lot of the mechanics.
>>94290930Why is she being pushed so hard anyway? I had thought having a Kellan multiple sets in a row was strange but even he didn't appear twice in the same one.
>>94292016Kellan was the main character for a year, intentionallyI think the nigress is their attempt at a strong black womyn after everyone immediately got sick of kaya showing up on every plane
>>94287842slop
Any fun strats for the new mermaid waifu that isn't just Lab Maniac or Thoracle? I've got a stack of Disturb, Unearth, Embalm, Escape and Flashback, as well as Abandoned Sarcophagus to cast cycling spells from the grave.What else do I got to play with?
>>94286350>no blue>no blackI don't like it anon...
>>94292016Wokeness. She's a diversity hire
>>94292068I mean she's a flashback and friends commander so do that instead of labman
>>94286350Anal slut
>>94290610Wotc thought process on creating this character. >hmmmm we need a strong black woman who isn't violent.>okay, we will make her a super genius. >hmmmm can't give her straight hair because that'd be racist. >okay, we will give her a big ol afro>hmmmm, she can't be ugly but she can't be too pretty. >okay, we will make her barely average and give her glasses. This will also make her look smart.>man we are so progressive. We are good people :^)
>>94289202DRIVE INTO THE WOODSAND EAT CORN OUT THE CAN
>>94286350>de-facto bestNot so sure about that
>>94292153It's more like>We hit our diversity quota>please give us DEI loan so we can give ourselves bonuses
>>94292012Oh that could actually go in my Krarkashima deckI just threw out ROE Kozilek and Ulamog and I needed something to replace them Already replaced one with Tasha’s hideous laughter
Thinking esper enchantment control, do I go with Oloro, Zur, or some partners like Tymna-Esior?
>>94292012Gee they sure are printing a lot of Commander cards in this set that's going to be the "foundation" of standard for the coming five years
>>94292302You'd be surprised at how much 2HG play gets done at LGS.Most of my LGS actually switched over to it during OGW and never went back.
>>94291041>>94291307jesus christ it's like some villain cursed the characters into toys. kinda reminds me of toribash where people drew custom graphics on their fighter
>>94292295Which Zur? Zur the Enchanter is very strong, but you'll get a lot of hate for him. Eternal Schemer is pretty weak.Oloro's life gain and draw is nice, but he doesn't really do much for the theme. I'd probably play Tymna-Esior before Oloro if I just want straight value.If you don't mind taking other people's cards, you could play Saruman or Eriette.Master of Keys is cool if you have a graveyard subtheme. Gy hate will make you cry though.
>>94292326>jesus christ it's like some villain cursed the characters into toys. kinda reminds me of toribash where people drew custom graphics on their fighter
>>94290664This has to be some of the worst flavor text we've gotten in a LONG fucking time. >wow gosh look guys gee wizz i'm so smart :^)I hate it so fucking much.
>>94292386This is still retarded but at least it's not nonsense technobabble from rick and morty
>>94292409It might as fucking well be, though.
>>94292409That's basically been Zimone's flavour-text thing from the start, sadly. She's not even that bad in the story, all things considered (a bit 'generic smart character' but nothing annoying), but flavour text has to get across the worst parts of every character it seems. Also, yeah, this makes Zimone's 5th card if you count Zimone and Dina, which feels absurd as a number so quickly.
>>94292415yea it's definitely not goodthe lemur/e joke was kind of funny but they had to ruin it with the "Last words" shit
>>94291041Reminds of cubed Taimanin stuff.
>>94292386Why does she look so weird here? She doesn't always look this off.
>>94292460Artistic variance is a bitch, and sometimes artists just don't do certain characters well for whatever reason. This artist just seems to have problems doing smiles.
>>94286897If you insist playing her as commander I suppose you could play her with bunch of small creatures with good on death effects. She's not really a big, flashy finisher or a piece of an engine, tho - just an emergency button that may combo off with some of your cards if build properly.
>>94292491Well, open-mouth smiles at least. Zul Ashur looks well enough.
>>94287842He looks like he and his army rape elvish women.
>>94290053>full sort of “universes beyond remastered” set done with all new universes within versions?It is my sincere hope that they eventually do something like that, since it would unlock a lot of cards currently trapped behind the slopwall, but they wouldn’t be able to fit them all in a single set at this point, and they’d probably need to glue it together with some non-UB reprints, so it’d need to be a once-every-few-years thing in order to eventually clear the backlog.It’d probably be called something like “Universal Masters”, though, rather than “Remastered”.
>>94290759>>94290930>>94292016They needed a new token black character to rotate between Kaya and Vivien in place of Teferi since his cards give everyone war of the spark ptsd. It's interesting that I didn't particularly hate Kaya or Vivien until they started popping up in EVERY set 1v1ing praetors and whatnot, whereas I hated Zimone since her first printing on account of how annoying the black child prodigy character is.
>>94288778No.Some of the cards that previously were exclusive to UBshit/Lairshit and got reprinted with Magic-flavor put into them have number above artist's name telling you what UB/Lairshit card they are.Yeah, it's fucking gay but so this entire game.
>>94292386I hate this character, it's the most repulsive social justice slop garbage in the entire game.>Geee, a black, ugly, autistic girl that is actually a fucken genus.Literally we all know that person responsible for her is some white spoiled bimbo with inferiority complex.
>>94292016They wanted strixhaven to be the kid drawing plane and they want the young black girl market(because white dudes already bought in). Yes this is stupid as it sounds
>>94291511>CoramYes>SidarProbably not if you saw the garbage he was including yesterday
>>94291512I've been liking Odric.
>>94292603Sidar is way stronger than Coram, anon
>>94292626>basic obvious information>being intentionally retardedHis Sidar DECK is worse than his Coram DECK
>>94292534Now that I think about it, if people went into Duskmourn to save Nashi, why send the black kid who’s good at math instead of the chick whose whole gimmick is killing ghosts
>>94292712You see, Kaya couldn't be there because... Shut up. Also, to be fair, they didn't know what exactly was up with the place, just that it seemed like a weird house. The monsters weren't known beforehand.
>>94292712Niv is trying to kill zimone
>>94292663Yes and we's saying the sidar deck is stronger ^.^
>>94292769Except it obviously isn't. It's a jumbled mess.
>>94292775No... it's really not. I'm betting you're the guy who cried about Archfiend despite the deck being filled with discard
>>94292797Anon, take his dick out of your mouth. Archfiend has no payoff, and his choice of creatures and mechanics are disjointed and don't synergize well. His curve is terrible and he lacks reasonable ramp. Reanimation is hyper reliant on Sidar himself so a few removal spells break the deck down entirely.It's a noob trap deck built by a bad player, at least Coram is cohesive and capable of combos and combat with enough recursion to make it work.
>>94292838AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I KNEW IT LMAO. Archfiend as a baseline makes all your opponents 1 weaker at combat. Kills the majority of creature tokes and mana dorks etc. Im not going further because multiple different people explained to you why you were wrong and you're still going at it lmfao
>>94292852>paying 5 mana for a do nothing creature that requires additional input to kill Llanowar ElvesThis is not as defensible as you're trying to make it sound
>>94292852>I samefagged a lot so I dont have to explain my positionPut your trip back on
>>94290409This card is strictly better.
>>94292852>>94292838>rampAhahahaha I love bad players trying to talk about the game. Ramping is never necessary in edh
>>94292865Paying 5 mana do you can cripple your opponents board at minimum once a turn is indeed good. Not to mention his deck is full of discard and can probably go off 2 or 3 maybe even 4 times a turn also>ramp good (and necessary lmao)>killing mana badSensing some inconsistencies here anon!>>94292878This is just sad
>>94292893>dying before you play cards is good??>>94292898>killing mana badWhere did I say this? I'm saying that spending that much mana and still needing to input more just to kill things like Llanowar Elves is extremely weak. There were like 3 discard outlets in the entire deck and the curve starts at 3-4 in a deck meant to be creature focused. That severely limits multicasting and makes the deck frail to repeatable removal.
>>94292916>anon continues to lie and be mad so he can pretend he had a partial view towards the tripfagVery said and transparent anon
>>94292952>ur mad>0 counterargumentConcession accepted
>arrive at friend's table>bro 1 proceeds to unironically forget his wincon >bro 2 decides to keep a 2 land hand without any ramp or draw and does nothing for 5 turns>bro 3 drops half his board and library on the ground and proceeds to scoop>win by default>"gg anon!"
>>94286278I had a Sek'kuar deck I took apart because it had a shitty win rate, which I removed the red from to make a Meren deck that was too good, which I removed the Green from to make a Yawgmoth deck which I still play to this day.I had a Riku of two reflections deck that was too good, so I removed the red from it and turned into a Kruphix deck which was also too good, so I retired the entire deck. I had an Otrimi mutate deck I took apart because there wasn't enough mutate cards that I liked, I'll probably rebuild it if and when we get more mutate cards.I had a Roon, Mayael, and Azami decks I took apart because I built them terribly.I had a Lavinia CeDH deck I recently took apart because it was terrible to play against and didn't have a very good win rate. There's probably more but that's all I can remember off the top of my head.
This Coram versus Sidar conversation you're having is retarded. Obviously Coram is stronger. The dude is able to fucking kill someone turn 3. Sidar is just a fun knight tribal deck that also happens to care about the graveyard.
>>94292995>forget his wincon As in he forgot what it was, or that he had a card in mind but forgot to put it in, or forgot to put a wincon in it altogether?
>>94293070>tl;drtheir discussing two decks made by a tripfag where one is pretty well made and the other is just timmy shit despite being 4 times the price
>>94293080he had ojer axonil with 3x -1/-1 counters on the table, but another bro played an edit, and instead of saccing ojer axonil and recasting him to kill the table, he sacced a fucking catapult
>>94293129>editedict kek
>>94286350>go to cast literally any spell>unzips heckin wholesome 2 mana flash creature that reads 'you will not play the game ever again' that also makes a giant beater, has an etb effect and indiscriminately punishes anyone it wants
>farewell exists>every single card ever printed that says 'gives your permanents indestructible' or 'return X from graveyard' is just completely fucking pointless nowfun stuff, i love cards that say 'lmao you aren't playing blue?' very interactive and fun stuff
>>94293172i fucking hate farewell. Should've been a "chose up to two" card at most.Plus, whoever play the best value game and drew the most cards before its resolution has the win borderline handed to them
>>94293167did you forget>picrelor what are you talking about?
>>94293167>>94293202JUST from the description I assume it's Orcish Bowmasters even if it isn't a commander
>>94293172>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T JUST MAKE AN INDESTRUCTIBLE ARMY OF TOKENS AND AUTOWINfarewell is a litmus test, the only people who dislike it are dishonest faggots
>>94293193i dont even care about losing my stuff, i just hate that all of the sort of interactivity around board wipes is removed and how it warps deckbuilding>hmm i don't want to just have value pieces, what if i eat a boardwipe? I should slot in some protection pieces, maybe some indestructible/hexproof enablers>or maybe i should just accept i'm going to be boardwiped and look for ways to recur my pieces from the graveyardnope. Farewell is the premier boardwipe in the format. I will never be able to protect my pieces, or get them back. The most common defence i hear for Farewell is 'dont overextend' but if i'm never getting anything back, and cant interact with it in anyway the only goal is to slam everything down as fast as possible and try to end the game before farewell is cast. It also means your deckbuilding is just 'value.list' because again, the back and forth of 'i keep a land or two up, plus a card to protect my stuff, in exchange for your board wipe' is just gone.
The people who play Farewell are usually bad control/midrange players who will lose anyway.
>>94293221yep thats what i said alrightalso even in your pathetic strawman scenario someone has had toplay something that makes tokensaccumulate enough to swing and win, either over time, or pumping them, or copying themalso apply indestructible to them but somehow this is an issue?
>>94292898>found the link to the Sidar deck>check it over>the maybeboard is a bunch of trash>Archfiend of Ifnir>banding>otherwise useless color-hosing creatures>he's removing most of the one drop spells>Dark Ritual is being cut>Anvil of Bogardan for some reason????https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8532477/knightly_eminenceits shit
>>94293241yes, it is an issue because vomiting out creatures is excessively easyboard wipes are good and necessary. Cry
>>94293221this nignog never head of bounce effectsjust play blue ffs
>>94291939Just use the good version.
I'm a bit new to magic and I wanna get into commander. The both colors I enjoy the most are blue and black. How do I get into commander? Should I get a precon? Should I build a deck? What do I do? What are the best blue and black precons out there? HELP
>>94293300I dont understand if you are new to commander how you get to somewhere so entrenched, when there are easier more accessible options for information basically anywhere. if you are truly new to commander, find a precon with a Blue/black commander that seems interesting to you and start from there. Start upgrading it, and eventually work to building your own deck with a legendary you like.
>>94293257>large amounts of draw>large amount of knights>lots of protection and some of it is knights for double synergy>lots of board wipes>lots of removal>hoses white and black (the colors of board wipes) while still being knights>decent amount of ramp/mana rocks>5 tutors>lots of anthems>extremely good landbasewhat's the issue here? this deck looks completely playable
>>94293300Play The Scarab God as your commander and fill the deck with blue and black cards you like. You'll be fine.
>>94287416take the samut pill, haste is goatedI've had a Liesa deck i wasn't really satisfied with, i took it apart and realized at some point in deckbuilding, ordering, and putting the cards together i fucked up and had a lot of expensive Debt to the Deathless type spells and ran only 33 lands.Maybe i should rebuild her proper and give her another shot
>>94293172Farewell is fine :D
>>94293280>SL shit>movie shiti recommend making your own proxy at this point
>>94293323The issue is a tripfag made it so you have to be really really angry about it anon we r legun we r anonymoooooose we hate tripfag >=(((((
>>94286968Il be running it, but only when i have something out that give's everything trample
>>94293323>no creatures below 3 cmc>pointless color hate>shadow>banding>blood tokens>level up>almost no targeted removal>Ifnir in a deck where it likely won't do anything>almost no token generators so why bother>almost no recursion>moonshaker cavalry unironicallythe only good part is him removing headless horseman
>>94293342please dont samefag it's embarrassing
>>94293266farewell was printed because cyclonic rift isn't enough anymorecry harder, creaturetard
>>94293172I wouldn't say it's THAT bad. I agree with >>94293221 that it's at least a litmus test to see if someone can read the board. But whenever I see it played people always select all modes. The green players and the people that kept their hand stocked get to play the game, while people with smaller hands just get to sit and topdeck for the rest of the game that's been brought back down to a glacial speed.An early farewell can be alright if you're playing with vaguely competent people with board awareness. A later farewell without a way to close out the game is torture
>>94293387>shadow, banding, blood tokens, level upAll good things...? What's the issue here?>ifnirAt base will make combat easier every turn by crippling the opponent. Better it is essentially a token board wipe once a turn.>almost no token generatorsOkay? What lmao>recursionPrinted on the commander>moonshakerOh no a game ender in a combat deck!You're bad at the game
>>94293445>All good things...? What's the issue here?frustrating, nonsynergistic, random keywords that only serve to show how "speshul" the deck is>At base will make combat easier every turn by crippling the opponent. Better it is essentially a token board wipe once a turn.It's a lightning rod for removal and that requires more than just playing it. low value, no synergy with the theme.>printed on the commanderso if the non-ward no protection commander dies the whole deck falls apart?>cope about moonshakernot gonna grace this with a real response, you're bad
>>94293415Lol, Cyclonic Rift is much better than Farewell. Have you even played blue control in EDH?
>>94293332It's Princess Bride you zoomer dumbfuck.
>>94293460>speshulSo you are just seething got it.>lightning rodOkay...? And correct! Good thing there is diacard stapled onto the commander as well. You're bad at the game!>dies to removalOh no! Another gameplan foiled by removal. It's an eminence commander he only needs to cast it once or twice at the right moment>moonshakerIs objectively better than most overrun cards. Flying is better evasion than trample and ALWAYS preferable. Moonshaker is a fantastic card, better than crater even. You clearly just sit around regurgitating shit and don't understand the game anon it's okay ^.^
>>94293469>Have you even played blue control in EDHI don't play terrible decks, so no. Sorry, but eluge isn't as strong as you think he is
>>94293502>Moonshaker is a fantastic card, better than crater evenhow is someone supposed to take the bait when it's this obvious?
>>94293502>It's an eminence commander he only needs to cast it once or twice at the right moment>he didn't read the cardthe recursion is not part of the eminence ability
>>94293518>same effect except one gives the objectively better keywordAgain if you understood the game at all you wouldn't contest it anon. Flying is always preferable
>>94293323>extremely good landbaseif your land base is 4x more expensive than the rest of your deck, the rest is probably not very good
>>94293501ooh yeaah i forgot, my bad, its totally not>movie shityou absolute rateded has-been
>>94293538lands are the most expensive part of any deck so you're wrong, retarded and likely fat as well
>>94293527I'm aware of that anon.... you use his Eminence ability to fill up the yard and cast him when you have a good target ready to go. He doesn't need to just sit on the battlefield waiting for something to be in there, he fills it up from the command zone, then can be cast to get its attack trigger... how bad are you at the game honestly?
>>94292886it doesn't have a bazooka in the art which makes it a lot worse
>>94292995Shit happen's. Just shuffle up and try again
>>94293538that price is heavily inflated, anonif we trim it down to cheaper prints... >Arcane Sanctum$0.50>Brightclimb Pathway$2.50>Cavern of Souls$33.00>Clearwater Pathway$2.50>Command Tower$0.25>Demolition Field$1.00>Flooded Strand$11.00>Glacial Fortress$0.50>Godless Shrine$11.00>Hallowed Fountain$8.00>5 Islands>5 Plains>4 Swamps$0.25 each being generous>Isolated Chapel$1.00>Polluted Delta$14.00>Raffine's Tower$10.00>Sea of Clouds$7.00>Spymaster's Vault$0.50>Three Tree City$18.00>Vault of Champions$5.00>Undercity Sewers$26.00>Tundra$650.00Only adds up to $155 without the obvious Tundra and the super expensive print of Polluted Delta. Assuming the ABU Duals were reasonably priced like shocks, it'd only be like a $170 land base.
>>94292386So far my fav flavor text in the set is picrel, it gave me a hearty chuckle>>94292995>t. started a pod with The 3 Stooges
Why are you retard's arguing about this? People really do argue about the most pointless shit here. Whats the point
>>94293650what else is there to do? at least it's about a commander deck
>>94293646I agree that flavor text is very funny.
this card confuses meit cant effect itself? why would you use this? it also cant benefit from moonshaker or wave-knightsure it survives things like damnation, farewell, and wrath of god but what's the point??
>>94293650I spend an hour in the tub every morning and like to fill in the time with brewing and arguing
>>94293653 Ok, what decks are you fags currently working on? Im thinking of building Yenna, Redtooth Regent. Looks fun and I have tons of enchantment support sitting in my binders
>>94293672Protection means>This [object] can't be blocked, targeted, dealt damage, enchanted, or equipped by anything [quality].”Stillmoon Cavalier isn't targeting itself with it's activated abilities since you aren't selecting something to target.
>>94293672Your question confuses me, what exactly are you asking?
>>94293713it lists itself so its targeting itself, right>>94293717why use a card thats immune to board wipes but cant get stronger in the same colors
>>94293717Nvm, I see it now>>94293713
>>94293702I have a few decks I'm trying to finalize. Got an Arabella deck, a new Niko deck, a Losheel/Oswald thousand moon smithy deck, Ishkanah and maybe a gruul one i have been puttering around with. Hoping to be happy with the lists for the first 4 so I can tell my family to get them for Christmas for me B)
>>94293672>it survives things like damnation, farewell, and wrath of godIt doesn't. Protection from X means you can't be targeted, blocked, or damaged by X. It doesn't give indestructible from X (damage can destroy a creature, but destroy effects don't cause damage), or protect from non-targeting effects other than ones that deal damage. So protection from red would protect a creature from the many red "deals X damage to every creature" effects, but protection from white won't save a creature from getting wrathed.
>>94293743oh whats the point of protection then? it sounds not very good
>>94293722No if something is targeting it'll either mention the fact that it's targeting in the card text or the rules text.Additionally I do think Wave-Knight and Moon Shaker would work on it as they don't target.
>>94293747Makes the creature unblockable, able to block without dying, and immune to single-target removal from specific color (or sometimes other things).
>>94293758so waitit can be affected by wave-knigth and moonshakerand it cant be blocked by white or black creaturesand it has all of those buffs??broken>>94293760holy shit thats broken as fuck
>>94293764Not broken, just good. Other colors can still target it/block it
>>94293778i changed my mind it seems really good now it avoids a lot and can get super strong
>>94292995>bro 2 decides to keep a 2 land hand without any ramp or draw and does nothing for 5 turnsThis is the one that gets me. Take the mulligan until you've at least got three. Taking a two land hand is just throwing.
>>94293280Yeah that's what I've been thinking. It's a little annoyingly pricy but it's a massive upgrade aesthetically.
>>94293324>The Scarab God as your commanderAnyone have experience with this? He looks cool but I always felt he'd be a little too expensive mana wise both to cast and to use his effect to make work.
Help me cut 21 from this pile. I'm building Nü Kykar for a high level table with the intent of making people groan and suffer. Strat is simple. I blink my value pieces using cast triggers from countering and staxing people. The three color Kykar listed is just a placeholder. Picrel will be commander.
>>94293431Yeah it's the kind of card that benefits decks that can consistently draw extra cards throughout a game while massively punishing both over extending and any colors that don't draw well natively and have to rely on mana rocks. I don't particularly mind the card since I usually like to keep some back up cards in hand, but damn does it do what it does better than anything else.
>>94293869instead of cutting, add more protection first, so it will be even harder for us
>>94293702Working on Odric. Have a list running decently right now but it's mostly just bulk cards that happen to have a lot of key words. That new Eldrazi with seven key words is a pleasant surprise that I am looking to throw in once the set drops.
