WAKANDA FOREVER EDITION>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-26-2024-banned-and-restricted-announcement>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-scheduleMetagame Mentor: The Scariest Standard Strategies in Duskmourn:https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-scariest-standard-strategies-in-duskmourn>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>Previously:>>94320439>tqnow that we are officially slop: the sloppening, which slop are you looking foward to?
>wotc's main product is worthlessVery cool!
>>94326428>which slop are you looking foward to?
>>94326434>Gambling is negative EVWOAH!
>>94326428>tqDeathrace may be amusing, everything else is a meh at best, i suspect FF might resemble NEO, we will see.
>>94326468motherfucker BUYING THE GAME PIECES IS MATHEMATICALLY WRONGHELLO
>>94326428>TQWe're going to have a Universes Beyond secret lair featuring porn stars within 10 years
>>94326434>didn't get enough replies last thread so he posts it againWotC's main product is boosters on MTGO?
>>94326496>I tap Riley Reid and give all other creatures deathtouch
>>94326475This was the case for literally every set in history that wasn't fucking From the Vault which was intentionally made to be massive +EV.
>>94326496Has that happened with any other crossover slop games yet?
>TQNone. I will not buy non-Magic cards, I will strive to not play against non-Magic cards.
>>94326496imagine not wanting sexy women on your cards, lmao what a cuck
>>94326516You're going to have to avoid every single format except sealed, and even that will become contaminated when they start adding UB cards to the bonus sheet.
>>94326428>2/2 first strike at base>no resistance to removal>no cat subtype
>>94326555For me it's the Portal art.
>>94326558Well, I played mostly Pioneer in paper, and it's coming fully (almost) to Arena. And on Arena it's simpler to avoid, just leave and queue for another match.
>>94326618>Play for 15 minutes >He drops Spongebob in game 2>You instantly quit and requeue>RepeatJust uninstall at that point
Play Premodern.
>>94326475do NOT see what happens when people open Portal 3 Kingdoms packs, anon.
>>94326504>Herpestouch*
>>94326516based. I quit modern because of forced lotr. so now i just play commander for fun but i refuse to use beyond universe cards in my decks.
>>94326690oooouh you can't badmouth lotr! *punches wall* lotr is hecking based! lotr is fantasy it belongs in magic! *breaks knuckes punching wall* ooooowie you're invalidating my based lotr ringwraiths modern deck you filthy edhfag oooooooooough *goes to the hospital*
>>94326728Lord of the Rings is basedLord of the Rings cards in Magic is cringe
>>94326734It was always slop.
>(You)
>>94326589>Guy dressed as a cat doesn't have the cat subtypeGee I wonder why.
>>94326767WotC hates furries I guess?
Foundations will not be around for 10 years. They'll feel the need to replace it before then.
I love all these original sets coming out for Magic, like Murder At Castle Nathria, I mean Murder at Karlov Manner.Okay, bad example. I mean Showdown in the Badlands I mean Outlaws of Thunder Junction.Sorry I mean Madness at the Darkmoon Faire I mean Duskmourn.Okay, at the very least we have upcoming sets like The Great Dark Beyond I mean Edge of Eternities to look forward to.We're reduced to stealing from Hearthstone.
>>94326884>Set is called "Tarkir: Dragonstorm">Look inside>It's actually just Descent of Dragons from Hearthstone
>>94326884>hearthstone player
>>94326879We'll get Foundations every 5 years, with a new batch of new cards added each time until they replace it with a brand new forever system. Like Windows 10/11.
>>94326912Standard won't exist in 5 years
>>94326945>standard will last 5 yearstoo optimistic.
>>94326945It barely exists now. Watch them create a new format with a 1 year turnover to replace it, and Standard becomes the new Extended.
Come to Premodern, anon.Come back home...
>>94326496>PornstarsNever gonna happen, JP only ecchi however...
>>94327017never gonna happen. wokes like to pretend to be anime fans but they hate ecchi and are actively trying to destroy it from all angles.
The same "cultural" consultants who purged the old mtg Rakshasa and removed the typeline cat from them (most of them...) are now going to give inputs on new Tarkir. How do you feel about it?
>>94327036for context :The Rakshasas used to be humanoid Tiger demons with inverted hands (most of times) that were both ferocious and cunning. Now they are just generic humanoid demons with 4 arms.
>>94327036I like dragons and want to mating press them
>>94327030Hence why it would be JP only, in the future hypothetical a decade away, where the company returns to its double standards (like no gay chandra in china kind of thing, or wherever that was).
>>94326499why would they make the actual packs have such low EV that you're better off scalping secret lairs and UB than winning FNM? this shit is wack
>>94327041literally don't care, it's not like cat tribal was using them4 arms is a cooler gimmick than inverted hands, anyway
>>94327036I don’t have much hope but apparently they’re going back to Khans color typing? That’s a plus I guessWhat was wrong with tiger Rakshasa? Isn’t that… what they are?
>>94327041As a furry, I do not have high hopes. But my husband is on a nice looking full art plains now, so there's that.
>>94327060>What was wrong with tiger Rakshasa? Isn’t that… what they are?The tiger aspect was made up by D&D, I believe. Kind of like how Yeti from myth are nothing like what pop culture depicts them as.
>>94327041The tiger demon designs are so fucking metal, I love it. Rakshasas are shapeshifter demons though, so it doesn't make sense for them to all be cat demons.
>>94327060rakashsa were co-opted from another culture, ig? That's the only reason, iirc
>>94327075Isn't mana from some non-european culture? (i forget which) Why not ban all lands and have the cultural consultants replace them with something more culturally accurate?
>>94327087But... Nothing makes sense in the fantasy genre anyway
>>94327094Mana is from Polynesia, iirc. But the depiction in Magic is actually pretty close to what it was there, better than most media where it's just a battery for magic.
>>94327030kind of like how incels hate trannies but are just as porn addicted
>>94327181>We are happy to introduce Premodern Horizons!>A set packed to the brim with exciting new cards that were designed for old sets during Magic's earliest days!
>>94327236Closed format. The only way WotC could fuck it up is with a time machine.
>>94327181>>94327245Premodern bros, any ideas how to build a deck abusing the card related?Gatherer text:Soul Echo enters with X echo counters on it.You don’t lose the game for having 0 or less life.At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Soul Echo if there are no echo counters on it. Otherwise, target opponent may choose that for each 1 damage that would be dealt to you until your next upkeep, you remove an echo counter from Soul Echo instead.
>>94327245They will adopt it as an official format and release an official ban list, then release a wave of "old" cards that "were originally designed for old sets, but weren't included". These will be horribly powercrept because they were too strong for the game back then, but par for the course nowadays. WotC will milk Premodern exactly like they milked EDH and Frontier.
>>94327266forgot the pic, kek
>>94326496We already have that
This is my #1 most busted card. Like you can kind of get how a lot of other banned cards made it to print but this one I don't know what they were thinking.
>>94327272It's not possible for them to do that solely because Premodern players actually have spines and will collectively tell them to fuck off if they try to do so.
>>94327299It was a different time...
>>94327305That's 100% not true lmao
>>94327299>it'll be fine, people can't even draw that many lands anyway
>>94326439Can't wait to see Tifa in a burka with Sazh and Barret featured prominently on at least 40% of the cards
>>94327312Your demoralization tactics will not work on us.
>>94327299It's this, but actually >>94327313Literally all of the draw power in LEA/LEB was at rare, and players weren't expected to have access to more than 5 rares. To have even two cards that let you draw more cards in addition to Fastbond would be a statistical anomaly. It basically just lets you dump your first few lands faster. That might still sound good, but remember that there were no mulligans in the early days. So you have a card of moderate power that's intended to be a one-of that's nearly a dead draw past turn 4 that at best you could tutor for starting on turn 2.
>>94327315You cry more than the people you complain about.
>>94327272That's absurd. WotC are out of luck if Premodern catches on
>>94327273I assume something that wants you to deal a billion damage to yourself at instant speed during your upkeep with that trigger on the stack.I suspect there isn't such an effect.Maybe a Glacial Chasm effect stops the counters from being removed.
>>94327273Use with Glacial Chasm
>>94327266An extremely lucky Mana Clash.
>>94327332I'm js
>>94327305>>94327344>EDH is a fan format, how would they even make cards for it?
>>94327377EDH is not a closed format.
constructed is gaybuild cube
Mark putting haters in their place.
>>94327418nobody would give a fuck about t2 kills in standard and spongebob cards if you still made intro decks and event decks so we could have fun with unplayable garbage like BW reanimator versus Simic manifest dread what is the point of printing all these cards if the only supported format is so power crept that anything over 2 CMC is unplayable
>>94327266Maybe Minion of the Wastes + pay 20 life + some haste effect
>>94327399Premodern being a closed format would simply not be a part of its identity if wotc absorbed it. Just by taking the premodern name they would be able to drown out all existing discourse with a wave of youtube videos and decklist writeups about the new premodern. The idea that it was ever a closed format wouldn't even reach the eyes and ears of the average player.
>>94327361Wouldn't you eventually run out of life to pay to Glacial Chasm?
>>94327491Yep, you're right
>>94327474>being a closed format would simply not be a part of its identityThen it wouldn't be Premodern>drown out all existing discourseIt will be interesting to see how WotC would go about acquiring existing domains, youtube channels, discord servers etc. None of this will happen, of course
where are my Pauper gamers at?what are your favourite decks in the format?
>>94327518They don't have to aquire anything. They'll just declare that Premodern is being made an official format called Antiquity, and the real Premodern will dry up. It will become nothing more than a bit of novelty trivia that people talk about while cracking packs of Antiquity Horizons 2.>SourceLiterally the exact same thing happened to EDH and Frontier.
>>94327556>Literally the exact same thing happened to EDHWas EDH ever restricted to specific sets?
>>94327266 >>94327273 Draw enough card to cast this and win.
>>94327556>and the real Premodern will dry upWhy would releasing a completely different format with completely different characteristics cause another format to dry up?>Premodern gets popular enough for WotC to care >they release a completely different format called "Antiquities" >?>people forget Premodern exists This is incoherent.>EDH and FrontierNot closed formats.
>>94327299lotus and recall are more broken
>>94327556>literally the same thing happened to EDH>EDHEDH is played by EDH players though
>>94327584NTA but I think anon is saying that Wizards would make an official version of premodern called Antiquities, support it with the same rules as premodern for a while to blend new players in with the old ones, and then a few years down the line once the Premodern community has become the Antiquities community start releasing sets for it. Then because the premodern players have been mixed in with newcomers and the community is intermeshed with wizards for official tournaments and the like, going back to premodern as it was before will be nearly impossible.
>>94327181Why does premodern start at 1995?
>>94327611It's a Wile E. Coyote-tier scheme that's extremely unlikely to happen. The format is definitionally restricted to cards printed between 1995 and 2003. The type of player who wouldn't care about this being subverted is not the type of player to get involved with the format in the first place.
The flavor text change foreshadows the plot of Neo Tarkir.
>>94327584They won't print new cards immediately, just sieze control with official rules on the official site alongside other format rules and an official ban list. Then they'll make Antiquity Horizons, which will be packed with much needed reprints and foil cards that have never gotten foil treatments. It will be a huge success. Then comes the preconstructed decks with "Cutting Room Floor" cards that were made in the 90s but not included in the set because "there wasn't enough room" or "it used to be a color pie break" or "we changed things in the middle of development". Those cards will fit in relatively well, but not shake things up because they aren't particularly good. People like you and me will complain about this betrayal of the format's most basic principles, but complacency will have set in at that point and people will default to the official format because that's what is expected when they play with strangers at the LGS. Then we get Antiquity Horizons 2, which will have more Cutting Room Floor cards that were obviously made by current designers and targeted towards popular decks. Premodern will be dead, and Antiquity will be walking around wearing its skin, just like EDH and Frontier.
>>94327713>just like EDH and Frontierand Modern
>>94327655The only reason it's unlikely to happen is because Premodern is unlikely to get popular enough to be a threat to Wizards.
>>94327474The average player isn't going to willingly partake in a format where 90% of the cards are unplayable compared to what you find in every Pioneer game. A 'closed' format that Wizards prints cards into wouldn't be Premodern in the same way that Commander is not EDH; the existing playerbase of Premodern would refuse to play with the new cards and you'd end up with a format based on Premodern but which is different, and Premodern itself.
fuck I want to draft Arena Cube but I'm not installing that shit
>>94326985This.So much this. Magic is fun again in Premodern.
>>94327754BuddyTheir is no precedence for people resisting a official takeover of their format like that. EDH was absorbed into commander long ago. Your banking on the resentment and urge for purity of a community in its niche days to last in the face of cooperate seduction and social obligation.Because if Timmy joins your premodern/hypothetical antiquities group because wizards made it an official thing, becomes an engrained and liked member, and then wants to continue playing with the new product Wizards eventually releases, (You) might be callous enough to drop him but others in your play group may not. Thus you get a messy schism wherein the return to premodern has less players than before and a complete lack of new blood as Antiquities is sucking all the air out of the room.
>>94327686revolting against the dragons? gee, really? what a twist! I totally wasn't expecting that!
>>94327811The Temur have a secret shaman sect as resistanceSidisi is brewing a special poison in her chest to kill SulimgarNarset is teaching the Ojutai monks the old wayand Anafenza is a ghost that is protecting a hidden kin tree supported by the secret followers of ancestor worshipOnly the Kolagan Brood has n o resistance within its ranks.
>>94327798Is there any precedence for an official takeover of a closed format?
>>94327798>if Timmy joinsMassive "if"Timmy will just get sucked into the UB black hole while Premodern continues being played by an elite few
>>94327798>EDH was absorbed into commander long agoEDH is not a closed format
>>94327826yugioh has
>>94327826No, which means its unlikely for wizards to target it in the first place.However in the hypothetical where they do, we have outside examples to go off of and I don't think being a closed format is enough of a cultural barrier to resist on tis own.Like I knew multiple guys who moved to Pioneer because it was the format Wizards fucked with the least, and after the UB announcement instead of making a Pioneer Pure they just stopped playing entirely.>>94327835You would be surprised, if in the hypothetical where Wizards makes it official, just by the nature of running tournament for it, will attract new players. Also treating your format as an elite institution makes you very vulnerable to natural entropy in the long run, so have fun now but see where thing are 10-20 years out.
>>94327824Zurgo is going to grow some balls
>>94327876He has already teamed up with Ojutai and is going to reintroduce red to the Ojutai separate of Narset With his dick
>>94327864>so have fun now but see where thing are 10-20 years out.I don't think there's any intention for it to last forever. That's actually the biggest problem with open formats, as it results in powercreep, degeneracy etc.
>>94327888That is completely reasonable and if that's the case enjoy it while it lasts.
hm
>>94327892Yes, all good things must come to an end (emphasis on *good*)
>>94327351>during your upkeep with that trigger on the stackIt doesn't need to be during the upkeep.The effect prevents you from losing the game while on the field. Even if it doesn't have any counters on it.Here some other cards that I think have good synergy with Soul Echo.Any ideias?
>>94327646ANON!BRAIN! ON!
>>94327854What does being closed even mean? If >>94327713 happens and the playerbase expands by 10x, how are you going to prevent the shift when WotC changes the rules? Everyone who is playing premodern will continue to play premodern, but new players will be absorbed into NuPremodern and there will be a non-zero number of players who peel off to play NuPremodern because it's easier to find games.
>>94327922Anon its been already stated, the premodern player don't care about having a large playerbase, they just want to play their format with other likeminded individuals till they can't anymore.
>>94327922>What does being closed even meanThe format is *by definition* restricted to cards printed between 95 and 03. As you admit, if Wizards changes the rules they are in effect creating a new format and not altering Premodern.>there will be a non-zero number of players who peel off to play NuPremodernAnd after this hypothetical event, do you think the population of OG Premodern players will be greater or lesser than it is now?
>>94327949Lesser
>>94327979Unlikely.In any in case, it doesn't matter because Premodern remains unaltered.
>>94327540I run Black Burn, Black Poison, and Izzet Cyclopes.
>>94327655it has happened with EDH/Commander thoughever
>>94328023see >>94327399
>>94328035I think you vastly overestimate the average player's loyalty to the idea of the format. Hell, the fact that proxies even have to be a conversation shows how much some people are willing to suck wotc's dick.
>>94328051It's not a matter of loyalty, it just *is* the format. If people start playing post-Scourge cards in Premodern, then they're not playing Premodern anymore
>>94327739>because Premodern is unlikely to get popular enough to be a threat to Wizardslol.LOL.
you Premodern retards should buy an ad
>>94328087Go back to /edhg/
>>94328090how about you go advertise your made-up nonformat to the commanderbabies who exclusively play their made-up nonformat
>>94328035Repeating a mantra like a magic spell won't help. My condolences.You can go play other games and not be subject to WotC and their brand of bullshit.
>>94328106All formats are made-up except kitchen table
>>94328119The truth is not a magic spell. Nothing you can do or say will change the fact that EDH is not a closed format.
>>94328071Well no shit. The entire point of the conversation is that they would kill the format. From the day wotc announced their official Premodern, it would be two years max until real Premodern was a novelty on the scale of old school (or worse), and not the growing and thriving format it currently is. There's nothing wrong with saying that Commander isn't EDH or that this hypothetical nuPre isn't Premodern, but the fact is that wotc can very efficiently affect the community around it.
Predict the December bans. I need to know if Ocelot Pride is safeWe all know the one ring will never be banned.
>>94328148i dont expect to be banning anything from my cube
>>94328135>wotc can very efficiently affect the community around itIn this hypothetical they would be affecting the nuPremodern community, not the Premodern community
>>94328155Did you read the whole post? Or any of the previous ones? Premodern's community dying is kind of the theme.
>>94328166Anon earlier on in the thread it they openly stated that they don't care about then number of players, only that they can still play.
>>94328166>people start enjoying playing with cards between 4th Edition and Scourge (Premodern)>Wizards releases a new competitor format that includes post-Scourge cards>...>nothing happens because these people only like playing with cards between 4th Edition and ScourgeThis isn't difficult to understand.
Where is my pre-magic2010 format?
>>94328171Yeah, he's basically the same as the guys in /edhg/ who say "Try that shit in my LGS, we throw people out if they use [card]"
>>94328183No? Wtf are you talking about?
Oh my God, look! It's a Sword to Plowshares!
>>94328148No changes.No One Ring deck is dominatingMonitoring
>>94328193It's the same thing. If you sit down with someone to play premodern and they pull out a deck that adheres to the official format but breaks the original format rules, what do you do?
>>94326504>infect
>>94328210Default dance
>>94328196I'd buy the shit out of a secret lair of $1 cards that are just panels from the manga.
>>94328210If you sit down with someone to play Legacy and they pull out their 100-card deck and Captain McGoyslop commander, what do you do?
>>94328210>official format but breaks the original format rulesThere are two different formats then and you play at different tables. EDH/Commander doesn't suffer from this problem because they have the same rules
>>94328236Anon, those decks are all Legacy legal
>>94328251Commanders/generals are legal in Legacy? News to me
>>94328175Let's go over the timeline again.1) wotc officializes Premodern and releases a fancy Masters set for it2) They wait for the existing community to come to them. Of particular interest are organizers of large events, and the population of corpo bootlickers, officialfags, antiproxyfags, etc3) They screw with the banlist a few times to show that they're "listening"4) *Now* they shit up the format with things like "unreleased" or "carefully designed" cardsThe format is successfully split, you can enjoy your playgroup being reduced to yourself and one guy that will webcam with you once every 2 months.
>>94328264They're legal to play, they just don't start in the command zone.
>>94328266>premodern masters>all new border printingsAnd then they try to take it over and add up to Time Spiral block because any further and they risk planeswalker and then mythic rare backlash.
>>94328266>1) wotc officializes Premodern and releases a fancy Masters set for itCool. There are two different formats now: Premodern and something else, because Premodern is by definition 95-03.
>>94328266This is a supremely retarded timeline>4) *Now* they shit up the format with things like "unreleased" or "carefully designed" cardsAnd instantly premodern splinters off entirely, with more players than it had before wotc gave it artificial attention.I despise premodern but you're just retarded.
>>94328276Masters =/= Horizons
>>94328274Sorry, but Captain McGoyslop is my commander and I'm starting with him in the command zone
>>94328281What do you despise about it?
>>94328266This is retarded and doesn't work because Premodern has a restricted card pool. I know you're trying to analogize it with EDH, but it just doesn't work because EDH is open to new cards
>>94328276Look forward to having this discussion every time someone sits down to play with you. You know what you mean by Premodern and they know what they mean by Premodern, but there will be that awkward moment when you guys realize that you aren't playing the same format. Even if they haven't printed new cards, simply having a different ban list will be enough to rend your community.
>>94328148I'll repeat my theory:Nothing banned.One Ring becomes the first card to get Restricted in Modern (because it's the One Ring)starting the trend of becoming the first part of the UB Modern Power 9
>>94328283This isn't the slam dunk you think it is. Every goyslop secret lair card is legal to playbin Legacy.
>>94328297How often do Modern players sit at the Legacy table? That's how often this will happen. (It'll actually never happen because Premodern is a niche format that'll never get popular enough to attract the gaze of Sauron.)
>>94328281>with more players than it had before wotc gave it artificial attentionVery few of the new players would be attracted solely by the notion of a closed card pool. Premodern is already extremely well known among entrenched Magic players, there are very few people that are somehow currently out of the loop that would join "Antiquities" or whatever works calls it that later care enough to boycott it for real Premodern.
>>94327030Because excessive ecchi is shit. It should be tasteful and in small doses.
>>94328315I love utilizing the Command Zone in Legacy.
>>94328321Not very often because most people with modern decks are aware that legacy is a different format
>>94328323 (me)>works*wotc
>>94328333Yes and they're different formats because they have different card pools, much like Premodern and the hypothetical "Antiquities".
>>94328331How so?
>>94328289Tutors, what many of the cards look like, gamechanging single card effects like Humility and Winter Orb
>>94328343>Tutorsmy man
Embrace Premodern, /tg/.Come home.
>>94328343You don't like the retro border, or is it the art?
>>94328342When playing Legacy I love popping Jeweled Lotus turn 1 to cast Captain McGoyslop from the Command Zone. I love Legacy.
Some players at my local lgs proxied a bunch of premodern decks and so did I so we can play together. Quickly becoming my fave constructed format.
>>94328343You would love this little format called "Commander"
>constructed*vomits*
>>94328371It's honestly a great format. Just pure and simple Magic.
>>94328339Have you ever been in a Standard tournament and matched up with someone who didn't realize that a set rotated, so his Standard deck is now a Modern Deck? It will be like that. You know what Premodern is, he knows that Antiquity is the official name of Premodern, and looked up the official ban list. You both sit down to "play premodern" and realize that your decks don't match up.
>>94328374kitchen table constructed still on top since '93.
>>94328378It's honestly impressive how good the format is with so few bans. Were they just better at balancing back then or what?
>>94328381>"Sorry, this is Premodern; the Antiquities tables is over there">"My bad, I didn't read the sign"Problem solvedKeep going though, I love how convoluted this hypothetical is getting
>>94328399And this would only happen in free play events... no way someone signs up and pays for a format they don't play.
>>94328403Eventually the distinction between the formats would become so clear (because they have such drastically different card pools) that they're never confused again
>>94328266Premodern, Penny Dreadful, OS93/94 etc are player-managed formats, WoTC has no power over them and any attempt to infiltrate them will fail because all of them have very clear limits of what they are and what they are not.
>>94328414Has wizards ever even tried to "open" a closed format? I don't think they'd want anything to do with them when they can just promote standard.
For anons that play it here, what premodern decks do you enjoy?
dark mode scryfall fucking when????????
>>94326428>TQWon't happen for a variety of reasons, but I wouldn't mind a touhou ub with western artstyle. I don't know if I'd buy it but I'd rather someone attacks me with Reimu than fucking spiderman.
>>94328422>Has wizards ever even tried to "open" a closed format?There's no precedent for it. It doesn't even make any sense
>>94328430Wear sunglasses.
>>94328428I've been playing Great Combo and Mono R Control lately
>>94328357Little bit of column A, little bit of column B.Hate the white borders, don't like the no-set-symbol, don't like the bright and washed out borders of a lot of pre-mirage. Art continues to be really bad on some cards until 8th.
>>94328439aight nigga
>tqi dont care what the cards depict but i hope they abandon the ugly UB card border they used for LTR and 40K. actually i hope they print so much slop it ruins commander. i hate commander.
>"I'm worried that WotC will poison PreModern in order to sell more product">"That won't happen, our community will stand strong together"
>>94328445How do you feel about the old font?
>>94328460Who are you quoting?
Too many reserved list cards are integral to premodern for them to ever support it. As much as I'd like to see them commit the ultimate inestorfag sin.
>>94328469do you think they will ever print RL?
>>94328463Don't have an opinion on it at allThe only good font is the japanese anyway>>94328460more like>I'm worried about [something with no precedent and no purpose and no potential for profit]>that's retarded
>>94328460>I'm worried WotC will make four-sided triangles>That's a technical impossibility FTFY
>>94328428Mono U standstill controlI <3 faerie conclave
>>94328434>It doesn't even make any senseKonami has started to officially support "classic" Yu-Gi-Oh formats like Goat, Edison, and... the other one, I forget. Anyway, these formats aren't just closed to certain sets, they straight up use the banlist (and rules!) from the time periods they're meant to emulate, they're more set in stone than 93/94 or Premodern. But by supporting them officially, even just a little, they help foster the "if it's not official, it doesn't count" feelings, and those feelings keep packs moving.
>>94328491But that doesn't include adding new cards to the format, right?
>>94328481You handed them a brand new way to create reprint equity. How is there no profit in that?
>>94328491Okay but has Konami actually altered these formats? Have they "opened" them up to new cards?
>>94328497If it was that easy then wizards would be supporting every block constructed format ever to pump the price of draft chaff
>>94328495>>94328500No. I think there's kinda 2 topics going on now (opening format + why would Wizards support Premodern at all). Sorry if you were talking solely about opening the format.
>>94328497They can just print money with UB, why would they bother with an obscure grognard format?
>>94328497>do a print run purely for the benefit of like eight people>can't stock this shit in stores (because it won't move) so it has to be print on demand>premodern adds almost no value to the cards themselves so anything you're not disrupting legacy formats like vintage and coomander with is worth pennies on the secondary marketThis would be like wotc trying to turn make a profit on pauper WITHOUT creating artificial scarcity
>>94328509This reply chain was purely, entirely, and unambiguously about opening the formatDon't be a faggot
>>94328491I don't think "if it's not official, it doesn't count" feelings are that widespread in magic, with commander being the most popular format n all... I may be biased but I don't see most people caring about that sort of stuff.
>>94328527>with commander being the most popular format n all...Most Commander players don't proxy.
>>94328527Commander isn't magicFormats besides standard/modern are predominantly proxyfags
>>94328532I don't mean just proxies, commander players generally don't care about using "rule zero" to bend rules (play with oversized cards, partner two commanders for flavour etc.)
>>94328525>Don't be a faggotChrist dude, sorry I didn't read the entire thread from start to finish when I got here. Just pretend I replied to >>94328469 instead. Or that it wasn't a direct reply at all.
>>94328519They're already using pauper by reprinting pauper staples in a variety of ways. If they adopt Premodern as an official format, then it will create a rush of new people trying to get scarce cards, which drives the price up and creates a new market full of people who have stars in their eyes because Humility has never gotten a foil printing before.
>>94328549I'm not a fan of commander either, but it is unambiguously magic, no?
>>94328553In the extremely unlikely event this isn't bait you should seriously consider suicide.>sorry I didn't read the entire thread from start to finish when I got hereYou can apologize the japanese way to preserve your honor. In the next life, read reply chains before you post.
>>94328567No.
>>94328567>miscommunication>"kill yourself"lol
>>94328558Big fat IF they adopt premodern. Seriously doubt wizards wants to promote a format that they can't print new cards to.
>>94328399>Premodern>physical tablesyou mean webcam channels on some discord server lol
>>94328589https://www.youtube.com/@Heavy_Play/videos
>>94328558Pauper is an open format and they're using it directly by printing cards like Writhing Crysalis. If they wanted to profit off of it they'd just put a chase common into a new format in a common-in-name-only artificially scarce print run.Reprinting lightning bolt doesn't change how many pauper players proxy.>>94328561No? How could it be? If I use basic lands from 13 sets to play klondike is that magic because I happen to be playing with magic cards?>>94328575>replying to posts you haven't read>miscommunicationKill yourself
>>94328600wtf who proxies in pauperaren't the "expensive" decks in the format are like $150?
>>94328606Less. more like <100$
>>94328600Obviously commander is played using the rules of magic and klondike isn't. What am I missing?
>>94328422Technically Commander evolved from fanmade format but it was so widespread that they could chalk it up as "organizing" it. None other format created by players is big enough for WoTC to even bother with it.
>>94328616>What am I missing?The command zone isn't part of the rules of magic, for a start.
>>94328635Emblems go in the command zone
>>94328600"replying to posts you haven't read" created a miscommunication. I wasn't excusing that anon's laziness, but laughing at your reaction.
>>94328606>wtf who proxies in pauperpaupers
>>94328641AAIIEEEEE
>>94328635>CR 408.1 "The command zone is a game area reserved for certain specialized objects that have anoverarching effect on the game, yet are not permanents and cannot be destroyed."
>>94326428>>94326496>>94327298Here's Aletta Ocean https://scryfall.com/card/dis/160/bronze-bombshell Hehe
>>94328632>None other format created by players is big enough for WoTC to even bother with it.wasn't pauper unofficial
>>94328708Yes, it was created by a community on MODO
Secret Lair: Stop Donald Dumpf! Charity Collaboration featuring the Trevor Project coming soon.
>>94328751Never going to happen.
>>94328755I'll give it a couple of weeks
lol this kid a victim of Culture Warrior: The Mindrapening
>>94328759The election is over by then. Wait four years maybe.
Secret Lair: Black Is Magic 2 - George Floyd 5th Anniversary Special edition coming soon.
>>94328764>implying that would matter
>>94328765>>94328751>>>/reddit/
>>94328148Everyone is on vacation so no changes, monitoring the situation
Universes Beyond: Dragon Age Veilguard
As a newer player (started in 2023) it feels like I am here for the end of the game. Have magic players always been this doomsaying?
Universes Beyond: The Communist Manifesto. Literally every single WoTC employee or associate would eat it up.
>>94328787universes beyond: concorduniverses beyond: dustborn
Universes Beyond: Hot Futa Babes of the Second Dimension
>>94328800there would be no legendary creatures because that would be great man theory lol.
>>94328800with the complementary secret lair superdrop: historic figures of the left
>>94328803the only one I would buy of the ones mentioned so far
>>94328814karl marx hated leftists. he called lassalle a negro
>>94328814Featuring the John Wayne Gacy and John David Norman partner commander deck “Fathers of the LGBTP” (rereleased for Pride Across the Miltiverse 2)
>>94328787secret lair special superdrop: nonbinary magic
>>94328803>manifest cock
>>94328828whats the P? Phyrexian?
>>94328799this is the worst thing that's ever happened to the game but they have been slowly pushing the envelope for years so its not nearly as bad of a shitshow as it would have been 5 years ago.
>>94328787>>94328838>introducing the new evergreen ability/keyword: Barve
>>94328843Really, all members of the LGBTP movement can be counted under the P. All lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transsexuals are pedosexuals. Can you believe that there are some who are against the P? What bigots!
>>94328799>started in 2023why>it feels like I am here for the end of the gameYou're not, the game ended in the 2010s
Secret Lair: From the river to the sea
>>94328862>whybecause i found a duel deck at a yard sale and thought it looked cool. went to MOM pre-release and have been playing since.>You're not, the game ended in the 2010sWhat happened that was so bad in the 2010's?
its kind of pathetic how sad this UB announcement makes me, magic has been a part of my life for over 15 years now and seeing the soul of the game being lost like this made my stomach drop.least ill always have cube.
>>94328882>least ill always have cubeUB Minecraft?
>>94328882UB has been around for a while. Is it just that the frequency has reached a tipping point for you?
>>94328874everyone thinks the game peaked when they started playing then went to shit about 2-3 years after that.
>>94328882You are a consoomer.
>>94328887unironically yeah
>>94328887having half of all magic sets being UB is insane.before I could ignore, secret lairs and commander decks, but half of all sets coming through standard is insane.
>>94328888you included?
>>94328889...for not liking UB?
>>94328897yes, everyone knows shards of alara was the best.
>>94328904shards of niggara was a mess tho, just as every other attempt at doing tri-color ravnica
>>94328899For having made disposable cardboard garbage part of your life and having an emotional attachment to it.
>>94328874>What happened that was so bad in the 2010's?The release format changed is all. Blocks stopped being released in like 2018.>>94328888I wasn't playing anymore when I said the game ended
>>94328873Palestine as Jund Aggro vs Israel's Azorius Control with board wipes and shit
>>94328915holy projection
>>94328904Lorwyn was the best plainswalkers notwithstanding and shards of alara was fine, so it was a suitable block to end the game on. 2010 rules are gay and anyone who stayed around through them for zendikar is a fag
>>94328918but board wipes make more sense as palestinian (suicide bombings) whereas israel uses direct strikes (targeted removal)
>>94328928also, the iron dome could be a cool artifact/land or enchantment that prevents combat damage
>>94328936Solitary Confinement
>>94328928But Israel could "direct strike" the whole thing if they wanted unlike Palestine
>>94328950I was talking about real practices, not hypothetical power.
>>94328953They'd have some Wrath effect named Samson Option at least
>>94328882>magic has been a part of my life for over 15 years now and seeing the soul of the game being lost like this made my stomach drop.lollmaoYou wretch, you loser, you paypig. >least ill always have cube.Ok, yea, that's something. But, still, lol@urlife
>>94328799There's always been doomposting but it's usually been related to the products pricing or supporting a format rather than what's currently happening
Can someone please suggest a basic forest art that goes well with these and meets the following criteria-Old frame-Has a symbol rather than text in the textbox - I don't dislike basics with text, but the plains art doesn't exist as a basic with text-Either black border or white border is fineI'm aiming for a Central Asia look
>>94328959Perhaps something like Winds of Abandon or Mass Calcify, one sided board wipes. Although winds of abandon would give them their land back... not flavourful.
If you have bought Magic cards after WoTC made a concerted effort to shill their leftist politics, you have only yourself to blame.
>>94328969Asia Pacific Land Program.
>>94328971okay genocide supporter
>>94328971When would you say that began?
>>94328973I use those in other decks but they unfortunately don't work here as they have text.
>>94328974when has wotc opposed any genocide
>>94328915>>94328960If you think so lowly of card games then why are you on this board?
>>94328970Lol yeah
>>94328978forgot about that sorry. maybe 6ed forest?
>>94328976Look into it yourself.
>>94328993don't want to, baby want milky
>>94328993regurgitate history for me like a baby bird.
>>94328993Feed me father.
>>94328799Yes Magic is in a constant state of death ever since they reprinted Alpha cards. Mark couldn't end Magic this year but maybe he'll have better luck next year.
>>94328928>>94328936In the grand scheme of things, "suicide bombings" are just conditional target removal (or, worse, just combat tricks), and you have to be a world power (probably just US but arguably Israel/Russia/China/any-3rd-world-country-with-WMDs) in order to use boardwipes.Iron dome is some form of decent instant-speed defense vs removal. Personally I can't imagine a world where IBMs count as combat damage, IBMs are target burn, and iron dome defense should be able to protect your own attacking creatures against IBM combat damage.
>>94328969this, or the John Avon portal forest.
>>94328969what are you brewing m8
>>94329011This card is the perfect representation of suicide bombing.
>>94328802Dustborn sounds like a cool set.The Legendary creatures would be terrible but the world would be interesting.I want a gaslight mechanic.
>>94328148ring + guide of souls/amped raptor in modernfrog + entomb in legacy
>>94328976
>>94329037whitey knowing his place, good
>>94329009You seriously think that reprinting alpha cards is the issue?
>>94329075anon's investments were threatened
So going to old magic, what are the best old sets to draft besides Innistrad? I wanna see some amazing art again.
>>94329124The planar chaos sets.
this thread made me think about closed formats like pre-modern. what would be your ideal "pre" format to dodge wotc retardation?for example>pre-horizons>pre-pioneer>pre-UB
>>94329182I'd unironically brew some decks to play pre-woke
>>94329182>tribal - all creatures in your deck must share at least one creature type
>>94329202SOVL
>>94329202>>94329210ban every changeling tho
>>94329202Include rules text mentioning the creature type.
>>94329222hell nah
>>94329124>Innistrad>OldFuck me, it really has been 13 years since that came out.
>>94329227Do it.
>>94329155Dam those cards looks great
>>94329269You could buy timespiral remastered, similar pool and the draft display is more affordable.
I have a friend who wants me to join him in playing EDH, but he also complains about a lot of what WOTC has done to the format over the years versus its original spirit and feel. I now wonder about playing Pre-Modern EDH.
>>94329346it's called pre-edh
>>94329182r40
>>94329278That's good but it would be nice to splurge on a nice old box to draft. Hopefully I'll get lucky with my investments.
>>94329353Makes sense that it already exists. Do you know how it compares to regular EDH?
>>94329425not sure but I was under the impression it contains only sets before the first precons
I'm so glad people are mad about the marvel sale going sour. maybe just maybe they finally see the rot that wotc is and not be excited for the next punch in their facewho am I kidding. wizards will propably just announce a bigger print run next time and all will be forgotten, rinse and repeat
>>94328936If a source that you do not control would do non-combat damage to you roll a D20. Subtract half that damage, rounded down, from the resultLess than 1-9 Return Iron Dome to it's owner's hand10-15 Prevent that damage, you then lose life equal to the amount of damage that was prevented, Return Iron Dome to it's owner's hand16-19 Prevent that damage, you then lose life equal to half the amount of damage that was prevented, Return Iron Dome to it's owner's hand20 Prevent that Damage, Return Iron Dome to it's owner's hand
I have a question for the anon shilling for pre-modern. Why not play OldSchool '93-'94 format instead? If I am already playing a closed format with ancient cardboard (that I likely have to proxy anyways), why not play a format that includes power9 cards?
>>94329498OS is an awful format to actually play.
>>94329498maybe people have different tastes? idk nta but just a hunch
>>94329444Trips of unfortunate truth
>>94329444They will see how expensive the scalpers sell the drops for and adjust their prices instead, definitely not their print runs
I think the recent universes beyond being standard legal and 50% of all future sets announcement might be the thing that finally gives me the push to quit.
>>94328396I thought Modern is pure cancer with tons of bullshit. Is it actually a balanced format?
>>94329559he's talking about pre-modern, it's a completely different beastthe problem with modern is not the balance, but the fact that each modern horizons set rotate the format harder than even standard
>>94329550What hobby are you going to switch to instead? I've been trying all of the typical nerd hobbies looking for a replacement to MTG, but nothing is sticking.
>>94329595Not sure yet. Warhammer does not appeal to me at all.Maybe try board games I guess. Fuck
>>94329544saying something doesn't mean they'll actually do it
>>94329559Modern was never good, only retarded zoomer subhumans ever cared about Modern.Premodern, on the other, is an attempt at preserving Magic as it once was.
>>94329498you are free to play 93-94 if you wantclosed formats by design are not casual friendly as they are pretty much solved formats that will never have any new card hypebut imo the reason to have a closed format in the first place is to serve as time capsules, closed formats highlight disruptive periods of time in magic's history and should be preserved, if anything magic needs more of these, coincidentally it's also not contradictory for a non-rotating format to be closed >pre-FIRE modern (stops at ravnica allegiance and the banlist at that time except for stoneforge unban and looting ban) is a good candidate
>>94330058Wrong. Modern just before the twin ban was really enjoyable.t. Lantern Player, may you rest in peace my sweet prince ;_;
>>94330058zoomers were like 5 when modern was created, grampa
>>94327824>The Temur have a secret shaman sect as resistanceNah, it is mostly like old "Khans of Tarkir" Tarkir where the Temur shamans would go in a drug overload and dream of the "now that doesn't exist" where "dragons rules the clans", etc>Sidisi is brewing a special poison in her chest to kill Sulimgarok, Still kinda shit.>Narset is teaching the Ojutai monks the old wayThe Ojutai are just the Jeskai but without the impulsiveness, will to seek out fight. etc that the old jeskai had. Ojutai deal with the old Jeskai leader was really blant and he kinda accepted most of the culture (except maybe the hidden fire thing/ghost fire teachings)>and Anafenza is a ghost that is protecting a hidden kin tree supported by the secret followers of ancestor worshipWell, she is one of the ghosts in the Kin Tree. The Abzan are really ok under Dromoka's leadership they only quell about the no necromancy adjacency things that she imposes to them (aka, no biding the souls of the dead into trees). While they can keep the trees hidden they don't have anything to be bothered about dragons (they actually like free armor/scales) >Only the Kolagan Brood has n o resistance within its ranks.Zurgo despises Kolagan, and Kolagan is found of bullying Zurgo. Also most "Dragon Slayers" we saw were probably within Kolagan's territory.
>we need to pivot hard to crossovers to bring in new blood>Hard cap potential sales of one of the biggest IPs they will ever get and it's sold out in under 2 minutesWhat did Wizards mean by this?
>>94330202You see, selling 100% of 5000 things is better than selling 80% of 50000 things, actually.
>>94330186You thought it was "really enjoyable" because you're a zoomer who never played real Magic like Premodern.>>94330191Gen Z begins at the second half of the 90s. You're a zoomer.
>>94330208this is ironically how the Hasbro shareholders see things.
>>94330215>real Magic like Premodernany format with even a single playable combo deck is not real Magic
>>94330264skill issue
>>94330264even 93 94 has channel fireball comboevery format has a combo finish, cope
>>94330264Random question, for the sake of argument, would you consider Underworld Dreams into Wheel of Fortune / Time Twister as a combo? Because that is a combo from the very early days.
>>94330264*Ignores your board and Bolts your ass 7 times*GG fellow aggro player
>>94330325ummm *taps the leyline of sanctity*
>>94330347Sir that card is from 2010
>>94330294that's a combo, and a good one, but the only way to win with *just* that combo is if the format allows lots of wheel effects or a quick way to find and cheat enchantments into play, or just plain hoping for the god draw of getting a swamp, 3 rituals, 3 dreams, an island/mountain, another land or ritual, and your wheel effect by sheer luck (which violates the "playable" clause)a deck that plays underworld dreams in combination with effects that give your opponent a draw or two but that ultimately wins through burn or combat damage or whatever doesn't count as a "pure" combo deck (to me)>>94330325don't listen to him*activates cop: red 7 times*
>>94330347>>94330381reeeeee fucking white players get out
>>94330399sleight of mind, changing white to red
>>94330402red elemental pyroblast psst nothin personnel kid
>>94330196What the fuck is Magic at this point. This is just sci-fi shit.
>>94330434>at this point
>>94330434Sci-fi/space fantasy is more "Magic" than cowboys.
>>94330434Anon...
>>94328276Masters set is just reprints so people can get their game from official WotC printers instead of relying on second hand markets. Same with Modern, same with Commander, it all starts with flooding the playerbase with mindkilled paypigs who will follow the carrot on the stick. It'll be two formats, Premodern and Premodern but official with tournaments by WotC. Nobody will see the distinction, u til it'a too late.
>>94328430Never, hopefully. Just use Gatherer, it's basically the same, but white letters on black background, and it's an official WotC thing, with actual comments from actual other people!
>>94328527Commander is very official. Gets more starter decks than any other format, they even put commander decks into Modern Horizons despite the set being aimed at a different format.
Umm, 14 years old me? I don't feel so good, Mr Stark.
>>94328888I started playing around Origins and it sucked, wish I was around back in the time spiral (original) days.
>>94329011>you have to be a world power (probably just US but arguably Israel/Russia/China/any-3rd-world-country-with-WMDs) in order to use boardwipes.Chemical Warfare1W (maybe 2W if you absolutely must have it be 3 cmc)SorceryDestroy all nonlegendary creatures without flying."haha get it, WHITE phosphorous!" - Johnny 'Smartass' McWhatever, moments before asphyxiation.
>>94330514Reminder this is a random flavour text character from Lorwyn.
>>94329498because "every deck has the same xerox package of power 9" is as boring and stale as EDH "sol ring, command tower, and command signet go in evert deck" or maybe worseMeanwhile Premodern has a larger cardpool, and thus more deck diversity, and thus more FUN.
>>94329550>>94329595I recommend Boardgames. One purchase gives you infinitely replayable fun. Pop on down to /bgg/ sometime, okay?For former MTG addicts i will shill BattleCON and Sakura Arms, both cardgames and bluff games but with no card pack shenanigans, and tighter design that they actually iterate on.
>>94330606>heroshit/edhg/ is down the hall
>>94330606Board games are borderline commander you fag
>>94330642>>94330660There would be nothing wrong with commander if wotc didn't milk it so much in a way that's detrimental to both itself and other formats. Playing EDH in 2008 was alright.
>>94330642>>94330660>1v1 duels with only like 7~14 cards per player is equivalent to commanderwow, you guys really don't know nothing about the gaming world outside MTG, do you?thankfully Ashes and Doomtown also exist and are also good, just more out of print so i can't fully recommend them as an entry point.
>>94330680nohaving lieutenant fuckface enforce a deck building restriction and be permanently available in game is simply not how i want to play a tcg
>>94330696player count and deck size are not my problem with commander
>>94330571One day, every figure who has ever had flavor text on a MTG card attributed to them will have a legendary card.
>>94330699>lieutenant fuckface enforce a deck building restrictionIn Sakura Arms, the megamis are the card set you build from. Each has 7 cards, you take 2 sets and pick 7 cards to make a deck with. Mixing and matching and adapting to your opponent is key, and you make your choices knowing what megami your oppononent has so it's basically starts the game at sideboarding, skipping the boring part of any duel.in BattleCON there is no deckbuilding so if you're looking for that you won't find it here.>permanently availableSakura Arms megamis just enable their own cards and explain rules, like the ice one just says "ice tokens are things you put on opponent shield and it limits how much shield they can have", and so on. That is not a commander card legendary creature you have to play to get effects, thus it's not comparable to Commander>tcgBut that's the beauty of it, it's not a trading card game, it's just a card game! The trading part is what lead MTG, YGO, and so many others on a path to ruin, so i suggest expanding your horizons and just give new games a chance. You're planning on fucking off from MTG forever, right? Might as well try something you never tried, maybe you'll like it instead of blindly hating it with no real basis for the hate. Tabletop Simulator is cheaper than a pauper deck, and has everything and then some in it.
>>94330789Bullshit, they will never make Belko, Owner of Titan’s Keg Tavern.They can’t even make a proper Mileva
>>94330800>>94330699Oh, shit, sorry, I mixed you up with >>94330705I fully agree that EDH in all of its forms is below the cutoff lines for "good" or "something i wanna spend an evening on", and some boardgames, in my opinion, are above that line, so i recommend just looking in that direction.
>>94330800i don't think you quite get iti hate character cards of all kinds, this isn't about some rules peculiarity in commanderi hate it in grand archive, i hate it in flesh and blood, i hate the skill cards in yugioh speed duel (not that yugioh has any redeeming qualities anyway)>tcgit's just a namei'm not a pack cracker and my friends just play out of bulk boxesit's not like i have some connection to the endless churn that tcgs do
>>94329498OS / Vintage are shit. Plus the some of the cards are basically impossible to obtain.
I like YuGiOh because I can play funny noodle dragon and deal lots of damage.Also go second without losing, something Magic still hasn't figured out after 30 years with their only attempt being Gemstone Caverns.
>>94326496I got better idea.>Taimanin Asagi x Secret Lair
>Magic was designed so much better back then>Back then: Printed Tolarian Academy and Tinker directly onto the reserved list
>>94330975Back then you actually had Mana Burn though, so excessive unused Mana could end up fucking you in the ass.
>>94330953turn based games inherently give the first mover an advantage, this is true for chess and mtg, yugioh is no exception and no amount of "oh i lose "less" going second" changes thatplay some real time games like fps if you can't accept this basic truth
>>94330983In chess that advantage is considered negligible even with engines.In YGO there are decks that actively want to play blind second.In Magic you always go first on cointoss because of how much control it gives you over the game.
>>94331006>In Magic you always go first on cointossExcept for the decks that dont
>>94330975>Magic was designed so much better back thenpeople in general can't argue very well but people will accept honest shlockmtg has not been honest to its awkward geek audience since FIRE
>>94331010Name one in any premier format right now.
>>94331006>In chess that advantage is considered negligible even with engines.patently falseeven with engines white has an advantageblack only evens out the dumber people are
>>94330953>Also go second without losingI don't play ygo but I know people who do and they complain about this way more than magic players do.
>>94331026Unlike Magic, YGO saw the problem and began aggressively printing tools to combat it.
>>94331021With engines the game trends towards forced draw, not "white wins".
>>94331058But anon if a card like that existed in Magic every deck would play it and people would bitch about it like they bitch about TOR
I don't like Sci-fi shit and I want it gone.
>>94331094Become the richest whale and maybe you'll have a say in it.
>>94331076why are you so dumbi never said chess engines don't get a lot of drawsbut when games don't lead to draws, white win a lot of themgive me a 100 game match between chess engines where a majority of non-drawn games were won by black why don't you lmao
>>94331115100 engine games would all be draws rendering this point moot. If anything white's advantage is larger when players have a higher rate of inaccuracies.
>>94331085>every deck would play it and people would bitch about itthat's pretty much what happens in YGO, you side in your going 2nd cards and hope you draw one (no mulligans) and hope you get to play after your opponent sets up an unbreakable board.
>>94331128>100 engine games would all be draws rendering this point moot.that would imply chess is solved dumbass but it's clearly not even with enginesand the fact that you refuse to provide what i'm asking you to give is clear that you're simply better off not playing turn based games lmao
>>94331085Because WotC is laughably incompetent and loves making cards that answer themselves.
>>94330789We still don't have some notable characters from the actual story which feels weird.
>>94331144You can't disprove a negative retard if white's advantage in chess was as enormous as you say people still wouldn't be arguing over how much it matters. For human gameplay it's assessed at 0.2 material and for engines at equal strength it's considered negligible because they will play to a forced draw 10000 matches in a row.
>>94330434Understand: WotC designers don't like fantasy, that is why they are puching cyberpunk and futurism into becoming the main thing about the game.>>94330441>Space warfareShit>Interplanar ships fighting a magitech mechaSoul
>>94330571>Reminder this is a random flavour text character from [Setting/Card/book].Wow this is about 70% of legendaries in the last 6 years from mtg.
>>94328986No worries, 6ED is good too.https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Abasic+%2B%2B+set%3A6ed&unique=art&as=grid&order=nameTwo of them actually share art with Portal like the below guy suggested, so although I like pic related maybe one of them is fitting too.>>94329016Thanks, they look good and I suppose that makes sense.>>94329020https://moxfield.com/decks/UJH6AM_At0CUGZRJDHz0QAI don't think it's very good, I just want an excuse to play Sand Scout without it being in that horrible MH3 tribal shell. Imperial Recruiter is a bonus.
I only use 4th edition basic lands.
why do people pay hundreds of dollars for little mass produced pieces of paper?are they stupid?
>>94330434>>94330441>>94330455Personally the dividing point for me isDoes it look like it was made by an artisan?OrDoes it look dirty and industrial, with no reliance on glowy particle effects?Like Cappenna is a prevous topic of discussion here.If the Riveters were a bunch of unwashed hammer wielding goblins toiling away in claustrophobic tunnels made of scrap metal then I would have no problem with them.Instead they are a bunch of dudes in overcoats who work in warehouses and use modern day construction tools.Slobad before the Phyrexians got him at least used a hammer in hsi art.
>>94331290>if I say "magi" before tech and mecha it's not sci-filol
>>94331486Pretty much all of them, yeahTo quote some doomer asshole, "all organisms are under stringent selection pressure to be as stupid as they can get away with."
>>94331485this but snow
>>94331496Oh and anotherDoes it look likes its trying to mimic an animal, or biological life in general?Big glowing sacks, multiple mechanical insectoid limbs, ect.
>>94331221a lot of whinging there just to begrudingly admit that white does have an advantage lmao>hurr durr it's small though! and computers draw like 90% of the time!doesn't matter, what we're talking about is humans vs humans and first mover advantage will always be present in any turn based gameyeah i won here by proving my point and you admitting to it lmao go ahead and have your pathetic last word kekaroo
>>94331579>posts worst jojoidk bro i think you lost there
>>94331533>this but snowLMAO.
It's been awhile since I played arena, what site do I use to check up half decent decks for standard? I wanna smash my face with whatever the current rdw deck is before foundations comes out
>>94331678>got him to board this cardit's just that easy
>>94327566Nope
>>94331693Mtgtop8
>>94331579Except you realize people don't play Classical anymore specifically because draws were so favored in optimal play.
>>94331724yes that's why people play rapid (where shorter time controls make for sloppier play, making it more fair for black)the game being more prone to draws doesn't invalidate white having an advantageplaying for a classical win with white from the get go isn't completely stupid, but can you imagine black playing for a win in classical right out of the gate? lol
>>94326428super glad everyone into this basedvel shit got fuckedi hate you motherfuckers
>>94331751Crying on 4chan about it isn't going to help you lmao
>>94331765take your own advice
>>94331748Classical died because of how many games were ending in draws, not white being favored to win. It literally drove Fisher to quit because two reasonably-matched players constantly going to a draw was happening far more than winning the series because you got white.
>>94331781>Classical died because of how many games were ending in draws, not white being favored to winit's actually bothyou can win with either color, but it's harder to do so with blackthis cannot be refuted, sorry
>>94331777Boohoo
>>94331899>>94331899>>94331899
>chess isn't solvedlmao what?
>>94331980proof next thread?
>>94331505Are you saying Golems are Sci-Fi shit?A Magitech Mecha done in steampunk style is pure fantasy.Things like Nu-Kamigawa Gundams are shit tho, they are sci-fi (pilots in uniforms living in military bases)
>>94332566Retard
