Necro Edition >Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-26-2024-banned-and-restricted-announcement>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-scheduleMetagame Mentor: The Scariest Standard Strategies in Duskmourn:https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-scariest-standard-strategies-in-duskmourn>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>Previously:>>94331899>TQWhat's a card you thought would break the game but turned out just fine or even not that good?
>year 2024>they aren't playing Premodern
>>94336614CLOSED FORMAT
>>94336585>>94336594>>94336598>>94336604>>94336611>>94336613I love Universes Beyond so much.
>>94336614nobody plays the game at all
>>94336634it's what mtg should've always been about really
>>94336636So everyone is just here to shitpost?
>>94336567>What's a card you thought would break the game but turned out just fine or even not that good?Always knew they'd print a new Locus eventually. Expected it to make legacy cloudpost super cracked. Turned out to be marginal in the face of modern horizons nonsense.
>>94336614Buy an ad or post actual content.
>>94336594this wolverine joke card has more soul than the one we got lol
>>94336567LMAO at the people who thought this card was gonna break modern.Where is it now? Apologize!
>>94336658Who is this and what does this have to do with mtg?
>>94336669What kind of content do you want me to post?
>>94336658Hahahaha.What a pathetic faggot.
>>94336677the deck you played last and how did the game(s) goyou DO play the format you shill so hard, right?
>>94336567>TQThe companions. Turns out only one was broken, not the mechanic.
>>94336658literally who?
>>94336585>>94336594>>94336598>>94336604>>94336611>>94336613UB isn't the problem, Commander is the problem.
>>94336692unban zirda in legacy
>>94336702fpbp
>>94336702This but unironically
Come to Premodern, anon.Come back home...
>>94336722See >>94336669 and >>94336687 and stop spamming the thread
>>94336702This would have been true 1-3 years ago.
>>94336687He reminds me of a shitposter on /vr/ retro fps threads that would constantly spam about rise of the triad and how you needed to play it, but if you ever asked him anything about the game or gameplay, it was obvious he had never played.This premodern poster is the same, he is just spamming the same shallow crap with anything deeper or meaningful. It would be interesting to talk about the format, share decks, etc, but we shitpost.
>>94336702lmao
>>94336722Looks kinda neat. What's your favorite deck? What's the meta like?
>>94336692Most of them were shit even pre-errata and had little impact outside Standard which is the shittest format
>>94336644A lot of general threads for dying games are like this. Butthurt former fans with nothing else to do but "troll" each other, in an arms race to see who can be more vile and annoying.
>>94336845idk, starting the game with an extra card in your hand is pretty huge, even if the card is mediocre. But maybe card advantage matters less nowadays when every meta is zoomy aggro combo shit though.
>>94336845Like, it's mostly Lurrus being busted, Yorion enabling big decks and Jegantha just sort of slotting into a bunch of decks that have it just because why not.
>>94336812>What's your favorite deck?Fluctuator and Frantic storm.>What's the meta like?It depends on the location. But aggro is very popular because it is very cheap to build.UG Madness, Burn, Sligh, Suicide Black, Mono G Stompy are quite common on almost every LGS.
>>94336932hmmm he seems like he knows what hes talking about
>>94336932garfieldbros... I thought we were better...
>>94336932imagine if instead of constructed tournaments they ran cube tournaments with special cubes as different formats
>>94336658Hahaha what a fag I hope he kills himself
They need to reprint this but at like 1 mana and only affects spells/abilities opponents control.
>>94336722How does premodern handle the White Power 7? It's not an official format, so they're legal? Is there some sort of rules committee and are they gay enough to ban these cards? Are any cards banned or restricted in the format for power-level reasons?
>>94336988Curse of Fragility UBEnchantment Aura - CurseCreatures enchanted player controls have "Whenever you target this creature, sacrifice it"
>>94337001>any cards banned or restricted in the format for power-level reasons?Brainstorm and FoW.
>>94337001its mostly the usual suspects
>>94336932Proof that limited chads are playing the game as Garfield intended and other formats are not Magic
>>94336932draft is almost all about creature combat today tho
>>94337075magic was clearly designed to be played with whatever cards you had around, which is why ante was a thing from the start. limited is the best way to reconstruct this idea. Imagine if they brought back ante for a limited-only format and during the limited pools you had to ante and get better decks as you got to the championship
>>94337001The whole banlist and list of legal sets is on their website.https://www.premodernmagic.com/banned-watched#ban-list
>>94336932Creature combat is more fleshed out than the rest of the game, and a good chunk of noncreature cards are useless if neither player is playing creatures. Even in old magic where creatures were bad compared to other spells, people still played creatures. What does a no-summons mano y mano wizard battle usually look like in this game? a burn player and a mill player trying to get each other's numbers to go down? two control mages staring at each other, ready to counter each other's win conditions, with several kill spells bricking up their hands? Two combo players trying to assemble their rube goldberg contraptions of death before the other guy? Creatures introduce a wide range of choices into the game. A single creature on your opponent's board doubles the options for how you could use your bolt. Artifacts would probably be way more interesting if they had toughness.
>>94336644yeah... games not even worth playing. what else is there to do????
>>94337086You should have to start with a draft deck and then sculpt it over time by adding prize cards and ante cards. No one is really tapping the potential here.
>>94337235Nobody likes ante anon. Maybe if they made standard better we'd see more drafts happen
So here was my curve this gamerate it/10turn 1 enigma jewelturn 2 collector's vaultturn 3 mightstone & weakstone + boom boxturn 4 the irencrag, esoteric duplicator & bumbleflower's sharepot (dump hand to empty vs liliana)turn 5 blow up liliana + duplicateturn 6 flip enigma jewel before doing rest of shenanigans, can immediately x2 realmbreaker proc from enigma jewel's exiled cardsturn 7+ start blowing up 2-4 lands per turncoulda been turn 3 sunfall if it was aggro
>>94337252You need to get people to accept it as a campaign similar to a D&D campaign. No one likes losing a sword to a rust monster but that's part of the game. Ante is a terrible idea when you're doing it with strangers or doing it on a playground.
>>94336658>>94337489I thought he actually grew a spine and was waking up to mtg being dogshit but no its just electionfaggotry lol
>>94337489What does this have to do with my favorite card game Magic: the Gathering
>>94337501It's a useful idiot.
>>94337501msm drones have no self-awareness
Dear goyi- players,we've heard your complaints that there is too much product and not enough support for our most important formats.So we've decided to reduce the number of sets from 10 to 7. Going forward, all products will focus on the popular Standard and Commander formats. So you can expect more pre-built decks and each set will be standard legal.We wish you happy holidays and see you at Friday Night Magic!
not Magic the Gathering
>>94337594Mental Misstep.
>>94336585>>94336594>>94336598>>94336604>>94336611Amazing find anon, thank you for sharing! Tbh I love the simplicity of their rules. They are easy to grasp but effective at conveying the flavor of the creatures. Nowadays the R&D team would try to cram as many rules and gimmicks as possible on boths sides of the card.
>>94337594>They thinkno they don't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1rKuMl5TgsPost old legacy gameplay videos
Uninstalled arena, yay!The question is: where can I now test my decks against meta ones?
>>94337655Best place is probably MTGA
>>94337657
>>94337657>>94337678Bruh, forgot to attach image
>>94336620and?
ahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>>94337960How new are you? They made the Bloomburrow plushies too. Already dead and forgotten after that one thread we had a laugh in.
>>94337960our HEROES
>>94337001There was an article on those cards on the website of a premodern-adjacent formathttps://www.eternalcentral.com/on-magics-impure-history/tl;dr Be sensible and use context to understand the intention behind something instead of taking everything at face value
>>94337655Untap.in or Cockatrice for no rules enforcement, Xmage or Forge for yes rules enforcementor just two-hand your deck vs top decks in Tabletop Simulator
>>94337960arent these specifically for youtubers? why is [brand name] getting in on the [youtube] [thing] turf? this is not [happy campers] of them
>>94338023I don't think it has been for a while. It's just a merch thing nowadays. Youtubers tend to use it, but it's not specifically for them.
>>94338013Based.
>>94338013Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole reason we are here is:>Ex-wotc intern releases a open letter calling them out on being a shit company, old mens club, no room for vertical movement, etc>last page as a foot note points out point out invoke prejudice and the card ID>wotc does nothing about being a shit company and only responds about the "racist" cards>everyone attention is taken off the company and only on the cards>everyone in a public position in the mtg community has to virtual signal about these cards and pats wotc on the back for addressing the situation.
>>94338067pretty much, there might've been more drama and banning Crusade and co. might've been a carefully prepared scapegoat plan or just a happy accident, but the consoomers eat it up either way
>>94337960Jace is crying, he is aware it is over>>94338040>basedcommon sense isn't based, it is just natural.
>>94337610They really need to understand that sometimes less is more.Like the T-800 card, simple to understand and flavorful, when we get the terminator UB set it will probably look like this shit
>>94338067Any link to the letter or an article about it? I searched but couldn't find anything using some of the key words you mentioned.
>>94336702lol
>>94338067yea that's pretty much what happened, though iirc even a lot of the asspatters thought it was stupid
>>94338225https://heystacks.com/doc/338/the-wizards-i-know
>>94337986NOICE a new fleshlight
I went over to playing pauper and for Foundations I'll give Standard a chance again
>>94337690Unlock a room?
>>94338498Duskmourn added new enchantment subrype, like a split card but one or both or neither halves can be active at any one time, and playing a half or paying it's manacost after you played the other half is called "unlocking" the roomwelcome to postmodern design where things fitting in the rest of the game takes a backseat to things fitting in the now because there's no future, only profits of the now matter
>>94338498Duskmourn card type. Split enchantments that do things once mana cost is paid either as a one off or perpetually once unlocked. There’s a handful of cards that deal with unlocking or re-locking rooms, but mostly it’s kind of clunky and has almost zero room for growth outside of a future “return to Duskmourn.” Maybe it’s because they’re split so that’s what they consider to be value, but I think they’re also mostly way overcosted for what they do
>>94338498Don't worry fren, these cards are not valid on Premodern.
>>94338541but they're just split cards? those are in 'pre-modern'
>>94338151He can see the future of magic lol>>94338541Post your deckPost your tournament runBuy an ad
>>94338538I don't think they're too clunky, but like cases they're flavored too specifically. Cases seem very detective focused flavor wise unlike something more generic like mystery.Like which other plane are we going to get enchantments, which are also flavor wise rooms?
>>94337640Greatest legacy game(s) ever recorded:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkBiAsYBPI&list=PL04lbfeNAaS825sDuBH75xZTXApkSZqc9Also very good:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwLJjBGzEE
>>94338575Well his current plan is to undo the omenpaths and go back to how things were before the current era of magic.
>>94338589>Like which other plane are we going to get enchantments, which are also flavor wise rooms?Xerex, maybe.I could see them cropping up on other planes as the idea of particularly magical room, like one with magical wards or something. They still feel really niche though.
>>94338551none of the split cards are permanentspee-modern doesn't have adventures (sorcery or instand//creature split) and rooms (enchant//enchant split), only non-permanent spell splits.
>>94338541buy an ad or post something actual instead of "pls play me format i am le lonely and based"
>>94338640I could see them using rooms again in a non-duskmorn set.When you think of them as more enchantment flashback, or as a way to make huge clunkly enchantments playable, I think there is more design space you can use.This card is practically a room you just unlock both sides at once.
>>94338668Yeah, Room flavour isn't that weird, honestly. Cases should've just been like Quests or something, though. Way too specific, like most of MKM's mechanics.
>>94338668It's a good design space (two sided enchantments, high cmc for low cost enchantments, etc.) but it's weighed down by a completely retarded name
Why don't people try to play a retro format like Yu-Gi-Oh does with Edison?Why not just play Return to Ravnica or your favorite format?
>>94338699people do that, but 99% of that happens locally or behind closed doors (discord/facebook groups)it's not something that goes mainstream like EDH did
>>94336567>You're maximum hand size is five
>>94338699in YGO there is only one official format so nonofficial ones have a lot of sway and appealin MTG there's more than one official format so unofficial ones have to compete for attention with those and with each other tooi'd love to play "the night before Twin got banned in Modern" but nobody i know wants to
>>94338699other card games don't have card reprinting problems like mtg.I would love to do a INN block draft or sealed, but i'm not paying 400+ a box for it.A retro format would only work if WotC directly supported it,
>>94338733who are you quoting?
>>94338741The card. Why would a card that allows you to draw arbitrary amount of cards but limit your hand size to tiny break the game?
HE SAID THE THING!>>94338407>6 standard sets a yeargood luck>>94338541Stale format, it is bad but not as bad as formats getting sets... Damn.>>94338604Damn, that was a good shit. >>94338699People used to play extended and block constructed but nowadays wizards gives no shit about those. No support = Not worth investing in decks for that.
>>94338749a) you misquoted, go learn grammarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDcb) because balance, last time they made "you pay life to draw cards" it won games singlehandedlyplus its just 2 cards less than usual, no big deal for someone who just drew a fresh set of squares and is now ready to use them, right?
>>94338763>b) because balance, last time they made "you pay life to draw cards" it won games singlehandedlyYour gay, you can beat necropotence by just using even better cards
>>94336692>only zirda was brokenbro zirda doesn't hold a candle to lurrus
>>94338751>6 standard sets a yearOnly three.
>>94338771>dude why are they fighting war when they can just nuke the enemygood job smartass now the game is a boring "who draws the better cards" mess.
>>94338775UB sets are part of standard even if you dislike themAcceptance is the only way to end the grief and move on to better feelings
>>94338699>>94338740I mean, isn't that basically what Cube is for? Drafts from as specific of a curated list of cards as you want?
>>94338775Anon, Universes beyond sets will be Standard legal. For 2025 they have 6 planed standard legal sets.
>>94338778>the game is now about who has the best cardsUh.. Yes? Unless you play draft or something, a large part is always going to be who has the best cards.
>>94338775Have fun only using "real" sets while the Venom/Tifa deck rapes the format
>>94338749Because wheels are more or less blanket banned, even if they have a delay or are otherwise gimped>What's a card you thought would break the game but turned out just fine or even not that good?Vigor, back in the days of table magic as a kid. Turns out the fact that I ran like 20-30 pieces of removal (monoblack) made it largely irrelevant.
>>94338798>unless you play draftNowhere is this more true than limited formats
>>94338798but that is not funfun is "who can use their cards in the best way"
Stop UBSTOP UBSTOOOOOOOOP UB
>>94338811Bans are gay though. > 60 cards per deck minimum> max 4 of the same card except for basic lands or if the card says so> ignore any mention of ante or of destroying cardsThat's it, all the construction rules you need, no need to ban anything. >>94338813I meant have as in own. Of course draft is often decided by someone drafting the best card from the packs
>>94338823So play two identical decks against each other then, and do something like best out of 9 games. That's the only way. But that is even more boring
Tell me about your current paper standard deck.
>>94338841full duskmourne G/B delirium. spiders, insects and things that summon spiders and insects along with a scarecrow that gives them all +1/+1 and deathtouch. its not much but its honest work.
>>94338841>standardlol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai74VQkuRTElook at this thieving cocksucker who must have known all this shit was going to zero because of Universes Beyond years ago but kept selling it anyway
>>94338886>27 minute talking head video from literally whogimme a QRD or fuck off. I ain’t watching all that shit
did they change how starting a new account works on MTGO?I installed like a year ago but never really played. I remember there being a Modern gauntlet league but now I can't join it and there is a format called Super Jump instead as the only thing I can use the default play points on.
>>94338828>every deck runs 4 contract from belowUnless you meant>ban ante
>card supposed to be good vs monored>is an artifact so red just kills it with abrade/malfunction
>>94338914>did they change how starting a new account works on MTGO?they did a lot of things, I don't remember what they were thoughtry reading https://www.mtgo.com/en/mtgo/new if you want more info
>>94338929
>>94338934Don't know why they decided to go back on Dranith being destroyed, sure Dranith was cool but it's destruction could've led to something interesting with the training bastions of humanity or refugees fleeing through omenpaths, something, anything really that would make a return to Ikoria potentially interesting instead of it just being reset.
>>94338987they do that all the time but yea it's dumb
>>94338987I mean, Aftermath pretty clearly indicated Drannith was gonna wind up being rebuilt, and using crystals to patch it up would give it an obvious "repaired" aesthetic to make it clear that it WAS broken.
>>94339021I'm going to be honest, after ath was such a footnote I forgot what was on most of the cards.The only thing I remember off the top of my head are the Phyrexia collaborators stuck in a basement somewhere in Dominara that were forgotten about.
>>94338934Authority of the Consuls is in the same set and will likely do more damage to red than Barricade.
>>94338774Zirda is directed to the TQ.
Why would you shuffle a hand that had this card and search for braids instead?
>>94338919I did not. Running 4 contract from below basically means you are playing a 56 card deck as they get removed from the deck instantly
>>94339163>>94338919Wait, correction. It says "before you play" and the match starts with checking your deck. So you can only run 4 of them in a 64 card deck, and then remove them.Its not a ban.
>>94339163And you don't understand why that's a problem?
>>94339204Read >>94339180Ignoring ante, the card should read "discard your hand and draw eight cards, remove card from deck before playing". However play starts with a checked deck, so if you run 4 copies of contract, you'd have to have a 64 card deck or instantly lose.
>>94339204There is no problem
>>94339223Guess I'll just bring a 16 card or whatever deck that can always play more or less the same T1
>>94339246read
>>94339246>bring 16 card deck>lose before drawing starting handI guess that is a strategy
>>94339259No u>>94339163 clearly indicates that he's fine with 56 and under card decks
>when you get your old friends hooked on MTG again because of PremodernFeels good to have fun again playing this game.
>>94339366Buy an ad
>>94339370Have you tried it though?Playing Premodern that is, not buying an ad.
>>94339348It is fine to play 4 copies, but if you start play with less than 60 cards you will instantly lose. Note that >>94339163 says> Running 4 contract from below basically means you are playing a 56 card deck as they get removed from the deck instantlySo youd lose. Losing is ok. Someone has to lose, it might as well be you.
>>94339390Except that violates the golden ruleYou are running a card that reads 'Remove this card from your deck before playing if you're not playing for ante'The rules text on the card overrides the rules of the game. The game rules say you have to have 60+ cards in your deck, but the card itself tells you to remove it from your deck before playing, ergo you must build a 60+ card deck, but then must remove the card, and this allows you to have 56 cards in your deckNo different than rules text that says "you may have any number of copies of a card named {this} in your deck"You must build a deck that has at most 4 copies of each card name, but then that rules text overrides the requirement for that card, so you can build 30x persistent petitionersSo my deck is perfectly kosher:>4x Amulet of Quoz>4x Bronze Tablet>4x Contract From Below>4x Darkpact>4x Demonic Attorney>4x Jeweled Bird>4x Rebirth>4x Tempest Efreet>4x Timmerian Fiends>4x Channel>4x Fireball>4x Black Lotus>4x Mox Emerald>4x Mox Ruby>4x Taiga
>>94339486It doesn't violate anything. A deck with banned cards can't even start a game. But you don't have any banned cards there because we don't ban any cards. So what will happen is this:1. Remove amulet, tablet, contract etc.2. Play starts3. Check if deck fulfils 60 card rule to start play4. It doesn't, so you lose. You followed the rules throughout. As in, you were not disqualified for using banned cards, you lost because you started with less than 60 cards. The removed cards were removed before the construction check.Yes your deck is kosher, and will lose instantly. There is no conflict here.
>>94339377I've played as many games of premodern as you.Buy an ad.
Please confirm my understanding of this situation>I control pic related, 2 snow basics, a dual and a fetchland>Opponent controls a Birds of Paradise enchanted with Ancestral Mask>I attack, he blocks with his BirdsBefore damage, I'm allowed to fetch to get a third snow basic and turn on deathtouch, right? I just played a game where this disagreement came up and no judge was on hand to confirm. My opponent also kept getting confused about whos turn it was and thought you had to tap to block too, so...
>>94339527If you've described this situation accurately, it's literally not possible for you to be asking this question, so you lied about the actual sequence of events in this retelling
>>94339527>Before damage, I'm allowed to fetch to get a third snow basic and turn on deathtouch, right?Correct.
>>94338538Not FIRE enough, huh. Or is that out the window too, now? Forgive me, I've been away for 101 years it feels like
>>94339581FIRE is a zoomerism that only you understand because you're a fake grog from the 2020s
>>94338541Why are you shilling so hard for premodern?
i don't even remember what fire stood for
>>94339615FUNINVITINGREPLAYABLEEXCITING
>>94339617Fun and exciting seem interchangeable.
>>94339598No, I hail from the 70s, so you're just wrong
>>94339520Ouch
>>94339625Pretty much, here's the relevant article https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-preview/fire-it-2019-06-21People get pissed off at fire since it leads to cards which generate value no matter what, like the example the article uses, Tomebound Lich.As long as he hits the battlefield he'll at least go neutral if hit by removal so you won't go negative in cards, besides that he has both death touch and life link making it hard to block him. Even colors normally good at dealing with creatures could have trouble dealing with him since most removal or counterspells are 3 cmc, so while Blue can stop his ETB the most common answer is still going mana neutral with the opponent. Of course, Uro is much much worse in every regard as everything it does generates advantage and even counterspelling it is just putting it into the yard to Escape from later.
>>94339617FIRE seems to not respect that the game isn't solitaire.
Why can't Magic have creatives behind it like D&D's Ed Greenwood?
>>94336932Garfield never really intended MtG to be competitive or even as big as it is today. It's the silly math guy that thought that changing card's colors will be important part of the game and once helped player by grabbing a pen and turning his forest into a Singing Tree because who's going to challenge word of literally the creator of the game.
I thought Bryant Cook was supposed to be the Storm master but he got fucked up trying to play ANT and doesn't like the deck.Which sucks, because ANT is the coolest storm deck. Guess it's just deprecated.
>>94339735Degeneracy and I love FR
Id like to celebrate the continuing downward spiral of Magic with a community Premodern tournament. Here's what I have in mind - starting after Thanksgiving I will accept registrations for the event. Registration will close right after Christmas, and the event will be held early January. This is still a long way away, but my hope is to give anyone interested plenty of time to assemble and familiarize themselves with their decks. Competitors would submit a decklist as part of their registration and be locked into that for the duration of the event. The event would be split into 2 days to provide a buffer for technical difficulties in getting into games and so on. Day 1 Swiss, Day 2 Top 8 single bracket. For prize support Ill put up $200. $100 to 1st place, $40 to 2nd, and $10 each to the rest that make top 8. To incentivize everyone to complete their games, I could draw on a basic land or order custom proxies as a commemorative thing to send to everyone that finishes their games. Tournament structure might change depending on how many register.I dont want cost to be a limiting factor for anyone, so this would be held on either a free 3rd party client or via webcam (with proxies allowed). If youd be interested in participating, please vote on this poll.https://strawpoll.com/40Zm411Gkga
reminder that FIRE is a good thing over the alternative because NWO was slowly bleeding the game dry
>>94339921constructed is gay do a premodern cube
I'd be surprised if the guy shilling this format was even conscious when things were "premodern"
>>94339993Tell me if this gains traction or not, pls
any card draw engines like esper and rhystic for black or red?
>>94340083There's always old faithful, but this isn't the EDH thread.
>>94340123U right, but it's cool.I actually got a skullclamp from the last convention I went to. One of those secret lairs with the tattoos. That thing is awesome.
>>94340083>Black.... he asks, in a thread with Necropotence II as the OP image.>redNot many but it has great filtering. Impulse draw kind of replaces card engines.Also, Dragon Mage-type flat wheels. Technically card advantage if you're discarding less than you draw.
>>94340128But that card sucks like crazy man.
>>94338841Gruul prowess with leyline.And I have 4 leylines of the void in the sideboard.
>>94338841>paper>standardchoose one
>>94338841It needs more testing in arena before I feel comfortable buying it in paper, but I'm hoping to build an Abzan Control deck. Foundations seems to have some solid sideboard pieces and potential replacements for cards that are going to rotate, so I'm optimistic.
>>94340083
>>94340223>testing in arenaDoesn't it use a nonrandom shuffler? I thought you'd have to test in something like xmage
>>94340239Only in best of 1, and all it does is poll 2-3 hands for ratio of lands::nonlands and takes weighted chance for the closer to your deck's ratio, that's allIt favors aggro decks since it helps them curve out
>Trading stopped, everyone just buys directly from TCGplayer now >Deckbuilding innovation stopped, everyone netdecks 24 hours after Arena/MTGO grinders solve the formats >Now actual true Magic worlds have stopped, it’s become half Fortnite IP slop skins The “safety bunker vs JOTC apocalypse” meme has come true.
>>94340252>>Deckbuilding innovation stopped, everyone netdecks 24 hours after Arena/MTGO grinders solve the formatsI mean that's not true, they simply don't play the arena formats in paper anymore, so there's nothing to be solved
>>94340258Anon, best of 3 is just normal Magic with bumpers up
>>94340265and they're both played on arenaneither is played in paper because nobody calls EDH 'bo1'
So I'm stuck on business trip during the prerelease, so...1) Can anyone here give me more information about lgss that host it in Limassol, Cyprus?2) Will people kill me for not using sleeves (because obviously I didn't bring them with me)
>>94340311just buy sleeves at the game store
>>94340311I don't usually use sleeves at limited events. Nobody cares. It's normal. If you're inside a game store you can just buy sleeves in the store though.
>>94340252>trading stoppedI barely even got to see that 15 years ago, people were making up prices based on ebay listings and buying from eachother.
>>94340252>Trading stopped, everyone just buys directly from TCGplayer nowTheir are basically four tier of players when it comes to tradingThe dudes who have cash to burn on whatever product comes out and so a replete in the newest stuff.The dudes who have been playing for 20+ years and naturally have robust collections via acuminationThe dudes who started playing post-RTR player boom, pre-FIRE who have had most of their collections besides lands devalued over timeThe dudes who have just started playing and have nothing to trade.Unless you in the first two tiers doing trades these days is an act of trawling binders for random cheap shit you might want because the card they want is 8$ on TCG player and the one you want is only 5$. So you might as well just buy the card you want instead of having to take chaff with your trade. If you can find someone willing to trade the card you want anyways.If you are in the first two rows its fine because you always have something of note and can make trades worth 100s's of dollars for pieces with staying power if needed.
What's your personal favorite format and why?
>>94340323I'm so dumb that I only considered buying penny sleeves, but it's not comfortable to play with them, but thanks to you, anon, I remembered that I actually wanted to have another set of nice sleeves because my friends ask me to start playing edh with them and it could be nice to make some role-playing decks from time to time
>>94340335How... how does that card even work lmao
>>94340350Reading the card explains the card
>>94340356My power is five foot eleven. Ok ig
>>94340344arena bo1 of course
>>94340368Meme or are you serious?
>>94340344Simulated drafts with my friends. Voicechat via Discord, games via Cockatrice, drafts simulated with whatever draft simulating website works at the moment. Costs $0, ignoring the internet bill. I've had some of my most enjoyable experiences with the game playing it this way, but maybe I'm biased since that's basically the only way I've played this game for the last three or so years, and it's been my primary method of keeping in touch with some of my old friends from highschool.>>94340360It rounds to the nearest 1/2 so its power in your case is just 6.
>>94340373Who doesn't love watching two uninteractive combo decks race each other>be on the play>win
>>94340382Ah, sorry for confusion on my behalf
>play pauper, against affinity>has cheap card draw, discard on a body, burst damage with burn, cheap creatures, lifegain and fucking boardwipeshow is this deck still allowed to exist?
>>94340395Because it's slower than RDW, which is why it's top 10 but rarely higher than top3Also it can get assfucked if they draw artifact lands and you put up a gorilla or you exile their bridge or whateverRakdos affinity or orzov affinity?>>9434038550% winrate :^
>>94340395If WotC has the ability to ruin a format by printing overpowered cards into it, it will. A format needs either a set-in-stone card pool or a banlist that WotC has zero control over in order to avoid this issue.
>>94340403>slower than rdwperhaps, but all the high cost cards can be turned into lifegain with stuff like food and reckoner's bargain>>Rakdos affinity or orzov affinity?grixis affinity is the strongest one and the one being played the most right now
>be me>Premodern Chad>enter thread>see no games Premodern spammer get dunked onDon't let the frog poster dishearten you. Premodern is a fun, affordable, extremely diverse format completely immune to the homosexual Wizards of the Coastal Elites. The closed format is an absolute blessing you will never understand until you try it.I'd rather it stay small and keep giving me games against beer sipping boomers instead of getting infested with blue haired faggots and burnt out arena grinders. However, don't let an enthusiastic no games frogposter deter you if classic magic with classic archetypes intrigues you.
>Affordable>Pic*Shrek voice*Like that's ever gonna happenWhat a load of- *toilet flushing sound*
>>94340432>grixis affinity>100% of lands are artifactsI love pauperJust sideboard stuff you can exile their manabase with.>how is this deck still allowed to exist?What would you even ban? Galvanic? I detest familiar but it's a product of mh3 and hardly the only sin polluting the format therefrom.
>>94340497Get a job zoomer
>>94340489>extremely diversePeople throwing isn't the same as the format being diverse. You might as well be shilling edh if the only draw is that there are no serious players
>>94340523>if there is a wide field of viable tournament decks people must be throwing and nonseriousThis is your brain on 40% meta share formats
>>94340539There isn't a wide field of tournament viable decks though
>>94336567Are there still niggers and troons in MTG?
Will Jumpstart be available on prerelease or do I need to wait an extra week to pick that up?
>>94340566I don't even know which jumpstart cards are Standard legal
>>94340574The ones that are also in Foundations or were already legal. The easy idea is to simply not look at Jumpstart to determine legality.
>>94340560like you?
>>94340574People still play standard?
>>94340127hey, why are you not posting stupid bait anymore like back in edhg?
>>94340507yeah thankfully it dies to artifact hate but you risk making games last longer which allows affinity to gain card advantage through the large amount of draw 2 cards with little downsides>what to banbesides familiar? kill some of its card draw and the deck becomes more bearable
>>94340622Familiar isn't ever getting banned ever because it's a new card. By the time they decided to ban it in pauper there's going to be three worse things
>>94340592I have a few standard decks
>>94340592standard is the most played format in this game
>>94340574https://scryfall.com/Familiarity with this site is basically a requirement to play this game nowadays, it baffles me how often people ask stupid questions that could be answered with a simple scryfall search. The website's usefulness greatly outweighs its faults.>which cards are jumpstart-specific and which ones are also in the actual set?set:j25 in:fdn>alternatively, which ones are standard legal?set:j25 format:standard (Foundations hasn't hit standard yet, so currently this just tells you which cards from the set are already in standard right now)if you aren't familiar with the syntax, use advanced search, it's beginner friendly and works for 99% of the stuff you might want to search. They even have censored cards like Crusade in the database, images and everything, you just need to add include:extras to your search to see them. You can also go straight to any card page with an exclamation point right before the card name, using quotations if the card name has spaces, so !crusade takes you right to the page for Crusade.WotC is retarded for not making an introductory product like Jumpstart fully standard-legal, but they've made so many other bad decisions with standard that it barely matters at this point. Standard does not function as an ideal starting point for new players anymore. No official format does. Magic just isn't worth getting invested in anymore.
>>94340635this one is new and it was instantly banned though.
>>94340651Why was this banned
>>94340653because making this legal in a format where you run artifact lands is a mistakeyou could easily have 10 artifacts on board and either swing in the air by re-equipping or fling the creature at your enemy
>>94340643>doesn't exile all counters on all playersnice boros energy card, fag
>>94340657If you managed to jump through those hoops, you deserve to win, tho, I thought?
>>94337640I was already beaten by other anon with both the blue martyr match AND the troll driver playlist, so here's something else:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybOKEUhCvDoMan, I wish I (or anyone else in my local poorfag LGS) could afford legacy. They refuse to play with proxies or do unsanctioned events.
>>94340669>jump through hoopsplaying lands that count as artifacts is pretty much effortless, also there's tons of artifact token generatorsit's the reason why all that glitters was banned, it was way too strong in affinity
why the fuck are these threads discussing premodern shit now? what gives? no one here ever talks about premordern
>>94340688I wouldn't worry about it
>>94340688Nobody is talking about premodern though, mr forced meme.We're talking about a real format
>>94340688Boredom
>>94340688same people that were trying to push for Oathbreaker instead of commander
>>94340368Splinter twin could be legal in standard right now and it would be a gimmick low tier deck because it would get outraced by aggro and have its hand torn apart by discard lmaowhat's a deck that can't win before turn 4 going to do against a 7/5 heartfire hero + burn together or t1 hopeless nightmare t2 bandits class t3 ruthless negotiation + deep cavern bat
>>94340696both of those formats suck though
sex with cindersI am going to have sex with this female Cinder from Shadowmoor. I find the female Cinders in Magic the Gathering: Eventide sexy. However, their body is made up of 87% fire, and 100% fire surrounds them. That could kill me if I tried to have sex with one. To remedy this, the Cinder casts a spell on me making me resistant to wither. Keep in mind, resistant is not the same as immune. I still take damage. It is either 1 point or 0 points of damage each second I am having sex with her. Just because a particular second caused 0 points of damage, does not mean that I did not feel anything, It just means that I received no -1/-1 counters. I am not going to rush through having sex with this Cinder, I make sure I pleasure anything I have sex with, especially non-humans! I'd rather take damage than not pleasure the Cinder.The Cinder and I go to Lorwyn to have sex. When having sex with non-humans, it is ALWAYS sexier to have sex in their natural habitat rather than a human's natural habitat.Before we went into the Lorwyn, the Cinder let all the kindreds know that we are just here for sex. The kindreds will not attack us because they know I am here at Lorwyn on sexual business. This includes the Ashenmoor. However, the Ashenmoor Liege thinks that I am going to be an easy recruit for becoming a follower of Demigod of Revenge considering that I am having sex with a Cinder. However, I have no interest in becoming Rakdos.
>>94340715You should probably be on medicine
Looking through these card galleries I've noticed that there's actually very little overlap between Foundations and Foundations Jumpstart. They have just 72 cards in common, a very small overlap since both sets are 700+ cards. A lot of the cards that the do share in common have different art or flavor text, both sets have new art for reprints, and they aren't using each other's new art. For example, FDN uses new art for Ajani's Pridemate and old art for Banishing Light, while J25 uses old art for Pridemate but has new art for Banishing Light. Also, the noncreature enchantments in J25 don't use the star frame, and the rules text doesn't use FDN's updated templating. It's like they had two separate teams working on these sets with very little cohesion between the two. Why do they even share a name?set:fdn in:j25set:j25 in:fdn
>>94340643"exile cards in command zones" is kinda petty and little, since it just means "increment commander tax counters by one", but what the fuck does "exile cards in sideboard" mean?it's like "exile all cards in exile". "remove all cards that are not in the game from the game"
>>94340732Yes that's what it means tho
>>94340715make sure to bring one o' these
>>94340698which format doesn't?
>>94340715kek, classic
>>94340744Premodern.
>>94340732"to exile" means to place an object into the exile zoneexiling cards in the exile zone would be meaningless, like saying "destroy target card in a graveyard" or "put the bottom card of your library on the bottom of your library" or "put target creature card from the battlefield onto the battlefield"Exiling all cards in a sideboard would mean moving them from their sideboard into the exile zone. The sideboard is functionally a zone like any other, just not referred to a zone by the game rules, but instead called a 'group of cards' that are face-down during a game unless an effect (like companion) instructs otherwise. There's no specific rule governing how face-down cards in the sideboard would be revealed when moving to another zone, but presumably it would copy the rules for the battlefield / stack / etc and say they are turned face up when put into exile unless the effect specifically keeps them face-down, which it doesn't here. Pretty much the only unique aspect of a sideboard compared to a normal zone is that you can't see it / interact with it when controlling another player's turn
>>94340743I only have black mana but I've got undying so there's no risk of permanent death
>>94340752premodern has a lot of good things going its way, but its far from a perfect format.it might be one of the better ones currently though, despite being a closed format.
>>94340756Fascinating
>>94340729>Why do they even share a name?According to Mark it is because they are both intended as starter products for beginners who and they wanted them to know they could choose either one.
>>94340770That's fucking stupid.
>>94340770>>94340771THE STATE OF MTG!LMAO WOC
>>94340752nah, it's a combo cancer format
>>94340770>pick jumpstart boosters>can't play some of the cards in standard/modern because they're not legalSASUGA ROSEWATER
>>94340778The act of your conception was a combo cancer format.
>>94340770Why does he think that'd be less confusing?
>>94340783I was conceived during urza's block so yeah
>>94340787I doubt he really does, but it's not like he's allowed to call the people that made that decision stupid.
>>94340791I'd feel bad for him if he wasn't partially responsible for making this bed himself.
>GW can have initiative>nobody else tho lolwhy must I suffer this card existing
>>94340715excellent post
>>94340778Name a single format that isn't a combo cancer format
>>94340770>give new players different paths to learnThis is about the worst thing you can possibly do when introducing someone to something new. Mark is asking them to make an uninformed decision about how they want to play a game they know nothing about. This half-decks cubelike format is totally unlike any other format and they can't take their cards into other formats even if they wanted to. Whoever came up with the half-decks jumpstart format needs to be fired, because they are actively harming the game's ability to gain new players.
>>94340837He won't, he's calling everything combo cancer. If one card works well with another card then the format is "combo cancer." He's either a retard who can't build decks or a troll. Probably both.
>>94340803>none of the top pauper decks are running themWho cares. Grow up.
>>94340837anything that cuts off before ice age that doesn't allow the full suite of p9 + abu draw and discard in every deckof the stuff i know, this would be alpha 40 and revised 40however alpha 40 is also gay because they're antiptoxyfags so that only leaves r40also cubes that simply don't support combo
>>94340837jumpstart
>>94340837>>94340846my cube has no cancer combo
>>94340871>literally a format where you combo????
>>94340803just play evasive stuff
>>94340837no need to reference mh3 cards when you can combo off with walls in pauper anyway
>>94340857>nobody plays gruul in pauperTake your dungeon and shove it up your ass, faggot
Is artifact aggro just completely useless due to powercreep?
>>94340981>still using the term soiboy
new format: only cards illustrated by someone with the last name foglio
How do you feel about Foundations skyrocketing?
>>94340898the cube in question:
new format: only cards with hot girls in them
I can't stand what they did to this fucking game. I'm playing UB against mono white and they get TWICE AS MUCH CARD DRAW AS I DO what the literal fuck.
>>94341005Your card draw has been colonized. Submit.
>>94341005You're playing a Universes Beyond deck?
>>94341005>I'm playing universes beyondserves you right BITCH
>>94341000finally a good format
>>94341013>>94341016What the fuck is universes beyond
>>94340996I was really excited for foundations but then the UB announcement killed my interest in actually playing standard or any format besides cube.
>>94341000Unfathomably based
>>94341025Its a combo deck that runs Mirror Universe + Behold the Beyond
>>94341082Oh damn, sounds sweet, always thought Behold the Beyond was too expensive during SOI but maybe it works in EDH. Anyways, I was talking about UB as in WUBRG.
>>94341096Oh so you play Wuberg combo too?Yeah I love playing Henry Wu, InGen Geneticist + Iceberg Cancrix, its a great deck
>>94341144Iceberg? I like to keep it Gruul to match the lore
>>94340715Flamekin burn cold, you can put your dick in normal Flamekin and not get burned.
Is there anyone in here who actually likes this guy? I have always disliked people that yell all the time and get super excited about anything.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdwF0W6irQA
>>94340986>Is [...] just completely useless due to powercreep?The answer is always yes
>>94340986it's not popular right now but it's far from "completely useless"
>>94340560Only when JOTC designs art for mono white cards.
>>94340729>>94340770>>94340842Maro isn't to be trusted, obviously.This sounds to me like they had jumpstart more or less ready to go, then went throught a product shuffle and attached the foundations name to it and put it in that marketing push / release window. Maro also claims that the standard UB sets were designed with standard in mind - WotC also claimed that the three year standard rotation was taken into account for latter products in the rotation, but I forget which ones.Sounds like a BIG shuffle came down from marketing/product, and they had to adapt what they already had to the new model they wanted. Given they're cutting almost all non-standard products (with Innistrad Remastered being the only one on the roadmap), I bet the command came down 'everything goes standard (not you commander product)' and they had to figure out how to not TOTALLY flood the release windows, so foundations became a big lumpy mess of a thing and UB got to poison mainline magic because they need the sales to pay off the license fee
>>94340368that's funny as fuck, nice brew anon
>>94340368why is it drawing so many cards
>>94341244UB stuff will sell regardless of it being Standard-legal or not.
>>94341346WOTC seems to think people who get into magic from UB stuff will get deep enough in the game to go to start going to tournaments, I'm skeptical that people who come in from another IP will care enough about magic.
>>94341375well they at least want to give them the option to.>I've never played Magic before but I bought a box of LOTR because I love LOTR! Can I play with you guys?>lol sorry retard none of your cards are legal in the weekly tournament at the local shop, go home
>>94341392Now a new player can buy a product targeted specifically at new players in jumpstart and still have cards not legal in standard, so, uh, that's not their real reason.
>>94341375Apparently the majority of people who buy UB are already-enfranchised players, but a good chunk of people are new players too, and those players get annoyed when they can't use their cards without going to a way-too-advanced format or whatever the fuck Commander is.
>>94341403Jumpstart is more aimed at enfranchised players to play WITH newer players, I think is often the pitch.
>>94340770>we HAVE to make UB legal in Standard going forward because it was "confusing" when beginner players bought a product and then found out a bunch of the cards weren't legal in Standard>we DON'T need make Jumpstart legal in Standard going forward even though it's confusing when beginner players buy an explicit beginner product and find out a bunch of the cards aren't legal in Standard because... uh...>anyway we HAVE to label Jumpstart as a Foundations product even though that's even more confusing because... uh...
>>94341441Isn't that a bit niche?
>>94341196fuck>>94341223any lists? Ones I use are outdated and it feels like the last few expansions haven't been kind to the deck.
>>94341436>buy Commander product>get confused when you find out your Commander cards aren't particularly usable outside of Commander>even though non-Commander formats barely exist in paper anymore anywaySomehow I think this is an excuse
>>94341507>any lists?all of those results in my pic are lists, are you not familar with mtgtop8? it's simple:>go to https://mtgtop8.com/search>select format>type down the cards you want>hit search
give me a list for pauper that is original and fun to play! no top tier decks preferably, I can already netdeck those
I am going to assfuck foundations prerelease tomorrow bros
>>94341537based consumer
>>94341544Does it count as consooming if I've only ever paid $15 for my first draft at this store and everything else is me winning every limited event and coasting off of store credit from trading in prizes
>>94341537going to prerelease on Saturday with zero information about archetypes or bombs, expect to reach first/second place as usual since people apparently can't into deckbuilding
>>94341524I am but looks like these decks have no new cards in them, what a shame
rate my cube and suggest any changes.https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/5fa76827bd48800fe831e103?view=spoiler&scale=large
>>94341569I wanna go crush a local prerelease but I haven't bought cardboard in over a decade and I don't really want to pay $30.Coreset preleases were always the easiest Limited ever, this one should be too I bet.
I loved core set limited because it was always just Real Honest Magic where you can draft UW flyers and play 3 air elementals and not feel bad about it
>>94341521>Buy LOTR>Want to play more but don't wanna play Commander because it seems overwhelming>Learn Standard is the simplest format>Can't play the LOTR cards in it
>>94341637when air elementals were bombs that you had to save one of the three removal spells in your deck for.now you usually don't even want to draft them.despite all the changes, draft remains the best format though.
If I start playing Modern can I build Lantern Control and still be able to win tournaments?It seems like the most fun deck the format has ever had.I definitely want to be on an Urza's Saga deck if I pick up the format.
I like Premodern.
>>94341781well then you like cock!
>>94341752>If I start playing Modern can I build Lantern Control and still be able to win tournaments?I don't think so, these are the lantern results of the last 2 years, they fit in a single pageif you want to win with lantern, you're definitely fighting an uphill battle, which isn't a good thing if you want to be competitive
>build a lantern control deck>get down your ensnaring bridge>opponent simply channels boseiju????
>>94341537>>94341569give me tips limited sagesI went 1-3 in my first prerelease and want to do better in this one. I think my mistake was focusing too much on my rare creatures so once they were removed it was over for me
