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I am tired of cyoa author hate
Your hurtful words are abuse!
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>>94362300
I know you didn't mention him, but I feel compelled to bring up Tok and how he is tangentially related to your comment thus ensuring this thread is as bad as the previous as anons inevitably are unable to resist the obvious bait.
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>>94362300
No one deserves those hurtful words!
Except for tok.
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>>94362321
Why not post cyoas, then?
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>>94362341
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>>94362341
This is Vampire. I only care about Mage.

Hermetic magicians and mad scientists battling interdimensional gods—on fucking Mars—is 10x cooler. Sorry.
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>>94362218
The mass production of CYOAs with interesting settings is unironically the best use I've ever seen for AI slop. I can't get off to AI porn, everyone looks latex and uncanny in a way that just doesn't do it for me, but it's just right for cyoa quality. Even the women look better when they're not explicitly trying to work around what I can only assume are the built-in limitations to showing genitals or just plain AI failure.
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>>94362350
>Hermetic magicians and mad scientists battling interdimensional gods—on fucking Mars—is 10x cooler.
Unfortunately, that generated so much Paradox that Wrinkle caused the unbirth of all the authors. Sorry.
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>>94362350
>I only care about Mage
People like you took over the entire line, so that in nWoD mages are all higher dimensional beings that engage in conflicts that can delete arbitrary realities for all other splats, and eventually ascend to a level of existence comparable to the closest thing in the setting to God (no, not the God-Machine. That's been more or less confirmed to be the remnants of the Silver Ladder in the Contagion Chronicle. The Ain-Soph). I hope you're happy.
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>>94362376
The actual Paradox backlash from magefagging is Magocractic Conventions being doomed to railroad you into supporting the blood mages if you want to actually succeed.
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I'm looking for CYOAs where you build an android/gynoid. I know of Lewd Silicon Sexbot and Dibella Corp, but I'm curious to see if any SFW robot makers exist
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>I'm looking for CYOAs where you build an android/gynoid.
Will this do?
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>>94362379
>nWoD mages are all higher dimensional beings that engage in conflicts that can delete arbitrary realities for all other splats, and eventually ascend to a level of existence comparable to the closest thing in the setting to God
That's just the archmages. Just don't buy the Imperial Mysteries book.

>(no, not the God-Machine. That's been more or less confirmed to be the remnants of the Silver Ladder in the Contagion Chronicle. The Ain-Soph). I hope you're happy.
Heresy! The God-machine is, was, and always will be!
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>>94362379
You do know that was the VTM larpers not the Magefags right?
Mage never had enough popularity to take over, Mind's Eye VTM on the other hand...
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>>94362433
Interesting, I saw this one in a much lower quality via Google search. Thank you.
If you know of any more, I'd be glad to collect. I am looking to see how many others exist.
Specifically where the main focus is (you) choosing parts/configuring a robot
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>>94362465
There are a couple floating around
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>>94362476
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>>94362379
Vampire fags were the ones always pissy about Mage supremacy, even when its themes are literally about ASCENSION, lmfao.

Vampfags were a bunch of butthurt fucks.
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>>94362485
This. Vampire also tried forcing the Christian God as the correct path. Mage entertained more than that sort of cringe, and its universe is a lot wider.
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>>94362465
>Specifically where the main focus is (you) choosing parts/configuring a robot
Do power armor/mecha cyoas count? If so, Power Armor was MASSIVE in the day, and multiple versions still circulate. There are even two rules-light RPGs
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God is a Mage
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>>94362485
You know what, that's fair. I still hold that Mage supremacists have gone too far to the point they basically want to play Nobilis instead of the game that the setting actually supports.

But vampire fags are the ones who unironically argue that one guy who planned to Diablorise God has a point.
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>>94362498
>Do power armor/mecha cyoas count?
Not necessarily, but the options and layout of this one are interesting.

I'll confess the reason I ask is because I am working on a SFW android/gynoid maker, and I'm looking for ideas, inspiration, etc.
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>>94362462
I'm saying that Magefags were the ones who actually took over the line, a guy who previously worked on Mage said something to the effect that Mages always win in crossovers with other splats

>>94362461
>Just don't buy the Imperial Mysteries book
The real Imperial Mystery is why it was made at all, after every fucking oWoD mage developer shit on the idea of Masters of the Art...but the marketing department that YES, it was important for player characters to be able to create new universes or become an avatar of Death.

>Heresy!
Your god is such a fraud that it's demons have Embeds and Exploits for defrauding other supernatural beings by spoofing their powers.
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Anyone got that weird ass sci fi cyoa about there only being one star left?
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>>94362492
>Vampire also tried forcing the Christian God as the correct path.
Did you ever see Demon: the Fallen? You could literally meet both him and Lucifer.
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>>94362485
Although, you know what's really funny? The fact that woof-fags can literally never win in any edition, while Mummy and Demon have had consistently nice things happen in both despite both games always being the nichest of the niche and the splats being radically different between Old and New
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>>94362542
>a guy who previously worked on Mage said something to the effect that Mages always win in crossovers with other splats

They do. Why? Because their ceiling is a lot higher, potentially. An apprentice likely won’t survive a fledgling vampire, either.

This isn’t about flexing, it’s about sense. Mage is about dealing with enemies that would eat the enemies of Vampire for lunch.

Like, vampires have each other and elder vampires to confront. Mages are fighting each other, as well as dimensional terrors and even sentient timelines/dimensions, holy shit.

You have wizards terraforming fucking Mars. What the hell.
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>>94362549
A werewolf can soak a lot of damage. If a mage is stupid and unprepared it’s a sort of litmus test for wizards.

I say this, because it’s canon that wizards just let younger newbmages die young, in order to cull the weak and prepare for the better ones.
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>>94362562
>Because their ceiling is a lot higher, potentially
Okay but why SHOULD it be a lot higher than everyone else though

>>94362569
That's all a werewolf can do. Soak damage. And uh, rip and tear. What werewolves can't do is anything about their silver weakness unless you get into elder rules that nobody actually uses except to dickwave on the internet. I'd personally say that's not a good tradeoff.
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>>94362542
>I'm saying that Magefags were the ones who actually took over the line
They didn't "take over", they just infuriated everyone else.
Mages are still nerds that die if you punch them too hard.
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The Antichrist is an arch mage / oracle of Entropy, and literally cooks the universe if you let him win.
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>>94362579
>Okay but why SHOULD it be a lot higher than everyone else though

…Because it’s about literal fucking ascension you daft cunt. It’s a game of power playing. Vampire is too, but not to anywhere near the same degree. It’s not the main focus.
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>>94362549
Half of that is self-inflicted. Werewolf and general fera friendly fire was why they were in their uber-fucked situation to begin with.
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>>94362584
Punch Him
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I liked that short story of an insane mage stalking a pregnant werewolf hoping to rip out the fetus and… smoke it…
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>>94362588
>Vampire is too
It really isn't. One of vampire's main themes is that you're a small fish in a big ocean, and the only way to become a bigger fish will either get you killed or cost you everything you stand for.
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>>94362600
>It really isn't.
Anon. All the splats consist of retarded powers and “omg I’m a monster now”.

Being a powerful monster is a soft focus in all of the lines. But it’s not THE focus in any of them, aside from Mage.
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>>94362543
>Anyone got that weird ass sci fi cyoa about there only being one star left?
This one?
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I like that old SE.Asian Archmage who uses a child’s skull and spine as a walking cane. In reality he can turn into a six limbed black skinned demon like out of a heavy rock album. Also a leader of a death cult that wants to freeze time or something.
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Big Trouble in Little China by John Carpenter is also canon in old world of darkness loooool
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>>94362608
Vampire is specifically the line that focuses on hard caps to power(generation) and punishing players that try to get more powerful(Humanity Loss).
The only line with those levels of issues are Possessed(with autonomy loss), and DA Demons(Torment)
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If this is becoming an unofficial WoD thread, May as well continue the theme.
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>>94362617
>I like that old SE.Asian Archmage who uses a child’s skull and spine as a walking cane. In reality he can turn into a six limbed black skinned demon like out of a heavy rock album.
Or you could play Kindred of the East, and get that as a starting kuei-jin.
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>>94362623
>Vampire is specifically the line that focuses on hard caps to power(generation) and punishing players that try to get more powerful(Humanity Loss)
Not Masquerade. Only Requiem. One did go above five dots, the other didn’t.
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So why don't Vampires just become Mages? Better baseline to start from compared to regular Mages. Can nicely sidestep their Generation powerless gap with a less costly effort.
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>>94362549
In VtM, a vampire can become a werewolf. There's a merit for being kinfolk, a ritual that lets a kinfolk don a wolf's skin and become a Garou, and a blood magic ritual that lets a Cainite gain merit dots by eating ghosts. So basically all you have to do is learn both rituals and get a bunch of bonuses for free. I don't know if that counts as a Werewolf victory, but it does let you be one while winning.
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>>94362635
Nah. Not as cool.

>>94362637
They don’t because they can’t. Vampire souls can’t awaken. They’re scarred. The only magic they get is the watered down blood magic. The Tremere are former mages who realized their mistake.

Also, mages are fucking rare. The only ones that are truly common are science based ones, which can’t really be seen as wizards in the traditional sense, and they bleed into everyday infrastructure.
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>>94362636
I can't tell if you're being retarded on purpose or not, Did you not notice "Generation" in my post?
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>>94362588
Okay? Why can't you ascend WITHOUT becoming Actually God as opposed to, say, merely a very powerful wizard capable of going to Mars?
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>>94362642
I suppose that would count as a Werewolf victory by vampire logic so yeah, it totally is. Live by the Beast, die by the Beast, Cainites.
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>>94362642
>blood magic ritual that lets a Cainite gain merit dots by eating ghosts
I'm sorry WHAT?!?
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Most magic users are non-awakened linear sorcerers. These people can either try to awaken to more dynamic magic, or become vampires for boosted blood empowered sorcery.
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>>94362653
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>>94362604
Terrible image choices as usual.

Alex looks awkward as fuck because of her hand pose.
Amara looks like a whore.
Kai, Liz, and Jace are ugly, especially the latter two.
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>>94362658
Blood Sorcery and Numina Sorcery are about equal in power anon.
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>>94362646
Now you’re being rude. I’m no longer going to respond to you.

>>94362651
Most mages don’t ascend. Archmages are actually more likely to not ascend.
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>>94362657
And it's only the fourth best use of blood magic!
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>>94362642
I'm with other anon. What fucking blood magic ritual lets you buy merit points?
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>>94362665
>t. shitposter.
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>>94362669
Most linear sorcerers are stuck doing their linear thing.
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>>94362637
>So why don't Vampires just become Mages?
To steal a line from the Libriomancer books, you can have magic, or you can be magic, but not both. Only humans can have true magic, and if you stop being human, you lose it.
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>>94362669
Blood sorcery has a bit more freedom than hedge magic. Awakened magic is just pure freeform.
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>>94362682
Don't disparage linear magic too much, some of it can outperform the highest levels of awakened magic in it's specialisation.
Don't forget one of the powers master "Hedgemages" can perform is summoning Gods and permanently binding them to their will with no roll to resist allowed.
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Forces 6 = shift continents
Forces 9 = shift universe

Yeah mage is fucked
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>>94362689
Its the opposite. Blood magic is stuck with very specific effects per path(Fireball and Levinbolt being specific elements vs Hellfire being Any element, including bullshit elements like wyrmfire, you can imagine is a perfect example)
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>>94362604
Sauce for Amara?
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>>94362699
>Don't disparage linear magic too much, some of it can outperform the highest levels of awakened magic in its specialisation.
Only by gross RAW mechanics that don’t actually make sense in relation to the lore or setting. Many such cases.

Linear magic is explicitly meant to be an inferior variant. Dynamic magic is just the superior variant.

Like, in canon the majority of the Mage traditions are sorcerers, and even mages do not see much of a difference. But the ability to awaken is still of much prestige, to the point where the order of Hermes has groups dedicated to it. Porthos even made a fantasy isekai book capable of awakening an individual, if they beat it.
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>>94362674
Recipes or it didn't happen. I've seen VTM players claim they can do a lot of shit that was against the rules.
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>>94362715
Nope.

There are ‘research more rituals’, and slow ass ‘make your own rituals’ rules.

It’s just unproductive compared to true magic.

Sorcerer magic is explicitly paradigm magic that can’t escape itself.
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>>94362717
JustSomeNoob
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>>94362715
Tremere can research and make new magic lol. It’s just purely bookish rather than bookish + “ima doing my own thing”

Makes sense too when Tremere are the former mages
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>>94362721
>Linear magic is explicitly meant to be an inferior variant.
According to mages, a group notorious for looking down on everything else and pretending they know everything when even their own Lore points out their full of shit.
Concentual reality is easily proven wrong even in a mage-only world for example. It's just another in a long list of unreliable narrator "facts".
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>>94362699
>Don't forget one of the powers master "Hedgemages" can perform is summoning Gods and permanently binding them to their will with no roll to resist allowed.
>with no roll to resist allowed.
Bad mechanics. Spirit 5/6 can already do that. In M20 you can create a Manhattan sized rock in orbit abusing RAW, leading to events that should be beyond you.
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>>94362741
Anon, linear magic and dynamic magic are the same fucking “fabric”. It’s all quite paradigm focused. Sorcerers don’t suffer from paradox because they aren’t dynamic. They aren’t fucking with anything consensus related.

You’re not thinking straight.
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>>94362741
>Concentual reality is easily proven wrong even in a mage-only world for example. It's just another in a long list of unreliable narrator "facts".
Lorelet alert
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>>94362600
Anne Wells (an H.G. Wells reference?) looks far more anime-ish than the others. Even Aela Lavinge is a closer match to the other character art.

Otherwise, looks promising!
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>>94362758
You linked the wrong post lol, but yes it's an HG Wells reference. I'll look again and see if theres' any better art.
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>>94362741
The developer of nMage actually hated oMage for this reason. The lore would have you believe the consensus is the cause of everything, and yet the other splats exist. It was… paradoxical…

ALL of the splats don’t actually mesh well.
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Masquerade: “God made everything”

Ascension: “A mage made everything”

Who is right, who is wrong?
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>>94362733
>>94362737
Hedge sorcerer also have ritual creation rules.
Sorcerers also exist outside of mage, the "Lesser Mages" narrative was a mage thing added in revised that didn't even work as a retcon because it conflicts with lore of other gamelines.
Need I remind you mages consider all supernatural powers other than spheres to be linear magic, and thus weaker? It gets real hard to justify that when game interaction rules puts the sphere 5 mage on his ass when facing a gen 7 vampire's discipline effects. By the games own rules, Path 6 sorcerers kick most mages in the dick by gameline interaction rules alone.
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>>94362734
Thanks.
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>>94362461
Who made Thaumaturgical America?
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>>94362776
You keep citing crap rules (90s wod was known for horrendously bad writing) when there are downs of ‘alternative rules’ books published. If you really want to do a RAW battle, then Mage still wins by the total tallied amount of abusive bullshit.

Like, what are you doing here? Did you know that Vampire actually tells players to approximate hostile mages (even werewolves) by giving them ‘faux’ disciplines for ease of play?
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>>94362775
>Masquerade: “God made everything”
>Ascension: “A mage made everything”
>Who is right, who is wrong?
Neither. Divis Mal, a nova from the Adventure/Aberrant/Aeon game line, developed the Create Universe power and made the World of Darkness universe.
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>>94362770
Omage's entire thing was Hubris, mages are actually Wrong about most of the shit they believe about the setting. It's something that's supposed to be hammered home with the entire paradigm mechanic, They're lunatics with godlike power trying to Force the world to conform to their beliefs.
The spheres themselves are in fact a paradigm for example. They didn't even exist before the order of reason, so all the hype about shard realms conforming to spheres or a 10th sphere in ToJ is just their collective retardation affecting how they perceive the setting rather than how the setting is.
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>>94362793
>downs
dozens*
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>>94362802
His complaint was actually correct, anon.

This isn’t “dubious” information when the consensus literally *does* determine the globe, within Mage, sorry.

There are even alternate universes where, say, the Hermetic paradigm won out, and everything looks alien.

I don’t know why you’re pretending that the consensus isn’t in effect. It actually has a radius in space.
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>>94362793
Ah yes, Everything that disagrees with you point is just bad rules. You are the one true victor and all things must conform to your perception of the world.
Fucking Marauders man...
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>>94362802
>They didn't even exist before the order of reason

They were called Pillars. The Order of Hermes did a science that the Reasoners just couldn’t, which added to the hilarity.

The Spheres were so universal, literally every Tradition uses them now, even the Union has their own equivalents.
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>>94362822
>Everything that disagrees with you point is just bad rules
LOL welcome to 20th anniversary edition discussions you nogames piece of shit. It was common practice for writers to mechanically cripple the splat they didn’t like.
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>>94362819
Anon, concentual reality is wrong Even In Mage. That's what I'm trying to explain. WoD uses the unreliable narrator trope liberally and purposefully feeds players information that is objectively wrong to get them into the mindset of one of the characters in the setting.
If you don't believe me, look up mage's "Earthly Foundations".
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>>94362843
>Anon, concentual reality is wrong Even In Mage.

Nope. It’s just more like wallpaper. Dave Brookshaw’s words.

Ending this discussion here. You aren’t equipped or knowledgeable to keep going. Sorry.
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>>94362837
"Was"? They're still doing it right the fuck now, only they're doing it to splats they do like too.
W5 is literally about waiting in a cairn to avoid the apocalypse while meaningless pack drama plays on repeat and achieving rank 3 gets you killed.
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>>94362847
How long have you been playing nogame?
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>>94362856
Long enough to know the consensus actually matters within Mage, but not within any other splat that has its own damn (biased) assumptions.
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>>94362864
So you agree with me? Concession accepted.
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>>94362868
Mage souls are literally sparks of a divine higher power, cope. A Mage made the universe so clearly consensual reality is the normal reality even beyond it. ;^)
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>>94362854
I dread what M5 is going to look like...
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There are at least four versions of “God” in OwOd and they all suck.
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>>94362881
They'll probably remove fast-casting entirely and make true magick ritual only.
Then they'll make characters explode from paradox for having any sphere higher than 2.
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>>94362887
>OwOd
Go back to your containment general
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No one could at White Wolf could agree on anything, and I’m pretty sure they all hated each other. You’re all stupid for it.
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>>94362341
dubs and I make a build
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>>94362897
uwu
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>>94362887
>There are at least four versions of “God” in OwOd and they all suck.
Vampire: the Masquerade's version, Mage: the Ascension's version, Demon: the Fallen's version . . .who is the fourth?
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There is literally a Nazi vampire lady with a spiked dick that spews acid and you’re thinking to discuss these games in any mature fashion? Retarded edgelords are behind these games.
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>>94362663
I find it hilarious that the author basically wrote this as wallpapered WoD, except they one thing they changed was replacing changelings with their Lost counterparts instead of the retarded dream elves.
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>>94362911
Gaia from Werewolf
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>>94362914
And it was a better time.
I'd take the retarded edgelord coomers over modern slop any day. At least the coomers were passionate and talented, modern "artists" write from an instruction manual and somehow manage to fuck it up.
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>>94362911
VTM and DtF have the same "God".
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Remember when the Technocracy went full Team America and nuked a third of India and went full scorched earth with their orbital lasers to deal with that one overly hangry vampire god? When all they had to do was spatially drone strike it into the fucking sun?

I remember. God WW writing was truly bad.
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>>94362926
>Gaia from Werewolf
Gotcha. I've spent enough time with Exalted to consider her a Primordial (and the Unconquered Sun to be the God of Abraham).
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>>94362890
I hate how realistic this sounds. Fuck You and Fuck Paradox.
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>>94362945
Look… we didn’t have our best behind the desks making all the decisions that day…
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>>94362945
The Technocracy didn't actually contribute to that fight at all. Their space lasers got cock-blocked and their nukes only hit when the fight had already ended. Those nukes later gave the universe cancer, making it now impossible to stop the apocalypse, though.
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>>94362956
So I’m right? They went full Team America?

>those clouds are blocking our satellites
>what do we do?
>I know! let’s blow up fucking India!

Stop making it look worse retard.
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Nobody will miss India, idiot.
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>>94362945
An iteration Xer was allowed to man one of the Void Engineers military surpluss. I would also want to fire the nukes and space lasers if given the chance.
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>>94362956
>The Technocracy didn't actually contribute to that fight at all.
What? The 3 wan keui keeping him busy were having their asses handed to them. At what point was the fight "Over" before the technocrats went scorched earth?
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>>94362382
>Magocractic Conventions being doomed to railroad you into supporting the blood mages if you want to actually succeed.
but that's not true
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https://imgchest.com/p/ej7m2kewnyd
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>>94362976
>an iteration x’er
…lol
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>>94363001
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>>94362988
Wasn't it one of the dumbass kung-fu vampires that was blocking the lasers in the first place because they conjured a ghost storm that didn't do anything?
That entire book went out of its way t make the chinese ghost vampires look stupid and incompetent.
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I will miss India
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>>94362988
At the point where every living thing around him was dead and he was left as a withered husk in the middle of nowhere with no vitae left to spend. The clouds parted to reveal a bunch of superfluous nukes that proceeded to cause apocalyptic amounts of collateral damage to kill a target that would have fallen over to a stiff breeze.
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>>94363009
Specifically about being a planeswalker, not just having planeswalking.
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>>94363000
Don't expect anything but defeatist illiteracy from 3bullshitauctorsanon.

>>94363001
Public Relations is not a detailed planeswalker CYOA, it is a rick and morty adaptation with wizards.
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>>94363021
Aren't there like 17 different ritual to get BP from basically thin air? Wasn't the ravnos Ante a master of sadhana, one of the oldest and most powerful(read: broken twink shit) blood magic schools?
Pretty sure he'd be fine. Especially when canon characters of higher generation have survived the same.
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>>94363021
Wooooow. So the team America anon was right and the Union was retarded.
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it's been so long since I made a build for a cyoa
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>>94363010
>That entire book went out of its way t make the chinese ghost vampires look stupid and incompetent.
Yeah, they really didn't need the help. They do just fine doing that themselves!
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>>94362976
I don't care about the context, I would also want to fire the nukes if given half an excuse.
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>>94363042
Mages are all retarded and can barely even work together without killing each other over asinine shit. This is why they always Ack! to Tremere. Dumb quality still loses to smart quantity.
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>>94363053
Unionists are so retarded they want to make their insane reality warping detached and exclusive to their surrounding tech so everyone can get a chance. They pretend their shit isn’t in their will. “Anyone can fire a gun!” is a lot more terrifying than learning how to attune to a kinetic death wand. A baby can’t do that. A baby can definitely accidentally pull the trigger to a gun.
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>>94363047
People who deeply struggle NOT pressing big red buttons should be killed.
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>>94362519
this page is for the dogshit multiplayer edition that expects you to play it like some tabletop game with all the rolls and shit
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>>94363088
You sound like someone who has trouble not pulling a trigger anon...
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>>94362801
I thought the order was Exalted>WoD>CofD?
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>>94363107
Cofd archmages are disgustingly more powerful than owod archmages.
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>>94363118
I think anon means order of creation. Exalted decays into WoD, which goes ToJ and becomes CofD
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>>94362657
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>>94362728
Anon got a V5 ritual "Guilded Memory" mixed up with with V20 rules. W5 is full of retcons and doesn't have the skindancer lore ported.
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>>94363001
>Any other big detailed planeswalker cyoas
Nexus.
A real girl made it. That's so fucking hot bro. I frequently imagine having a life together with her, never having to worry about money, having at least 6 children and many grandchildren that live to be great people in the galaxy.
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>>94363177
Nexus remake when.
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>>94363190
Gateway is the remake.
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>>94362945
>>94362956
you mean an antediluvian? something that makes every vampire clan shit their pants in fear? yeah the spirit nukes were for instantly vaporizing the souls of the vampires using vitae to maintain the clouds in the first place. considering that it was the "week of nightmares" it was basically a converging point for a bunch of other prophetic apocalyptic stuff for every splat that had been going on in conjunction with the antediluvian's awakening. the """"cancer"""" was just the werewolves throwing their hands up that the umbra near that area was just removed from existence.
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>>94363107
>I thought the order was Exalted>WoD>CofD?
There have been several timelines, based on what games they have the rights to:

Exalted > Ars Magic > World of Darkness


Exalted > historic World of Darkness > World of Darkness


Adventure > Aberrant > (Divis Mal builds his own universe that becomes World of Darkness) > Aeon/Trinity
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>>94363208
Gateway is a sequel, not a remake.
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>>94363211
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since when did cyoag turn into owod 2.0
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>>94362549
>while Mummy and Demon have had consistently nice things happen
Well, they're going bad places. Mummies, for example, can't meet the true death or transcend EVER, so they're stuck in the World of Darkness until some universe annihilating literally destroys everything
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>>94363240
I don't know nor care. I'm hiding all that shit even if I'll miss cyoa discussion because that one guy keeps posting cyoas while talking about owod or whatever.
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>>94362642
you mean the ritual that instantly causes them to fall to the wyrm and become an npc, unless the pelts were given consensually? and canonically an in-universe powergamer did try that and also attempted to become every other splat as well, including mage. it didn't end up well.
>>94362549
they have several victory endings in picrel
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>>94363240
It’s OwOd anon
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>>94363001
>Any other big detailed planeswalker cyoas aside from PR and Conduit?

Dawn of a Demon Lord
Dawn of a Planeswalker
Dimensional Traveler
Last of the Omege Lords
Magic: the Gathering
Nexus
Nexus Gateway
Rise: the Endless Desert
Planejaunting Journey
Planeslord Initiation
Shitty Planeswalker
Strange Journey
Traveler's Tale (both versions)
Trials of Terror
Walker of Worlds
Wanderer of Broken Worlds
Wanderer's Journey
Verse Crossing
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>>94363282
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>>94363289
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>>94363293
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>>94363240
>since when did cyoag turn into owod 2.0
Ten years ago? Maybe more?
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>>94363331
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>>94363282
>Transcendental World
Copied from Transcendental Dawn.
>World of Wizards
Copied from Warlock of the Magus World.

I'm surprised anyone copied Transcendental Dawn. Sure, it's from the same author as WMW, but it's way shittier. Its only good point is its power system, which is amazing, but the cyoa author didn't even explain it, so I don't understand his purpose in copying it.
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Dandadan cyoa?
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>>94363359
>Dandadan cyoa?
I don't recognize the abbreviation. What's the full name?
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>>94363368
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>>94363377
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>>94363368
Dandadan
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>>94363382
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>>94363262
>canonically an in-universe powergamer did try that and also attempted to become every other splat as well, including mage. it didn't end up well.
The Skinner? Yeah . . .ending up a ghost's ash tray isn't exactly making it big.
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So when are we getting a Wandering Inn cyoa?
Already had level shot built in and several plot hooks for isekai with the various starting continents, dead gods chosen, and Azathoth island.
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>>94363466
https://voxelmoon.neocities.org/cyoa/ exists. It's shit, but it exists.
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>>94363089
>this page is for the dogshit multiplayer edition that expects you to play it like some tabletop game with all the rolls and shit
Actually THIS is the tabletop game. Well, one of them.
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Well, good luck this week
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>>94363001
Entropist
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>>94363466
>So when are we getting a Wandering Inn cyoa?
What's it about?
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>>94363001
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>>94362341
>Who Did This To You: Ancient [-8 Favour]

>Clan: Banu Haqim

>Baneful Alterations:
True Body
Font Of Life
Bound Willpower
Mark Of Caine

>Curses:
Manifestation Tier 2 [Bane]
Bestial Tier 2 [Bane]
Empathy Tier 1
Righteous Thirst Tier 2 [Bane]
Salacious Tier 2 [Bane]
True Name Tier 1 [Bane]

>Blood Powers:
Celerity [Potent]
Obfuscate [Potent]
Hemomancy [Potent]
Might [Potent]
Fortitude [Potent]
Auspex [Potent]
Protean [Self-Mastery]

>Sire’s Masteries:
Celerity
Obfuscate
Hemomancy

>Sire’s Traits & Personality:
Preferred Sex [+1 Favour]
Attractive [-1 Fame]
Loving Embrace [-5 Fame, +5 Favour]
Influential [+3 Fame, -2 Favour]
Power Play [+5 Fame, +5 Favour]
Feeder [+2 Favour]
Possessive Protectiveness [+3 Favour]
Traumatic Memories [+5 Favour]

>Attitude: Affectionate [+7 Favour]

>First Impressions: Klutz [+3 Favour, +3 Fame]

>Dark Gifts:
Private Herd
Forbidden Tome [Thaumaturgy]

>Relationship Goals: Undying Love

>Contacts:
Tilly Tickler
Serica
Ezekiel Aesmari
Yandere ancient vampire sire basically guarantees safety, hopefully, in exchange for some freedoms. She adores me, and I prove to have gained enough favour that vampire society largely overlooks her unpleasantness in relation to me. Hopefully I can help curb some of her worst traits. Banes are largely not that bad. Manifestation, Bestial, Empathy, & Righteous Thirst are fine and hinder me very little. True Name is annoying, but not as bad as the other weaknesses, while Salacious is pretty bad but the only person who should be feeding on me is my Sire, who isn't going to drain their beloved Childer. Empathy is honestly kind of a boon, it lets me keep my humanity up, which is important to me. As long as I'm not stupid I should be able to survive whatever happens from the Power Play.
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>>94363619
>VPNTR
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>>94363624

Contacts are just whoever I like the best. Tilly is funny as hell and probably not going to backstab me (compared to the others), but she’s also a very Malkavian Malkavian. I’ve played Bloodlines, and their unique blend of foresight can be really useful if you know what to look out for. Ezekiel is a Salubri, who can help me get on the path of Golconda. I want to keep my humanity high, and eventually reach this kind of state. I don’t care about the Jyhad, I’d probably find the endless power struggles exhausting, and the only thing that could tempt me is a lower generation. The Path Of Blood is similar to this, and as a Banu Haqium, I could also do that. Could always create some bastardised version of both myself.

Serica is… one hell of a gamble. She’s probably my Sire’s equal, and probably suffers from the Thirst Of Ages, hence the feeding on me. But, as long as I supply her with supernatural blood, mine or otherwise, and keep in her good graces, I have potentially a second Ancient Vampire with a passing interest in keeping me alive. Don’t trust her in the slightest though. I think both of them are Methuselah’s (Pompeii, which is referenced, was over two thousand years ago), which is kind of crazy, and would put our generation at around 5th. This would usually just make us an easy Diablerie target, but thankfully that’s not the case here. I plan on mastering Celerity, Might & Fortitude, and eventually Obfuscate if I ever get to that point, since they can train me. If I go Path Of Blood I could try and find a 4th Generation (evil) Methuselah to Diablerize. I obviously am not doing that to my sire, but given that we’re Banu Haqim, the clan might actually help me with this as long as I can prove myself. That’s the height of my ambition though, probably no way I can do that to an Antediluvian, but you never know. It’s happened before, and I’m in the best starting position to try and do it.

Definitely one of my new favourites.
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>>94362635
Is this related to the Power Armor one?
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>>94363624
>Salacious Tier 2
>Feeder
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>>94363644
>20+ Favor
She's not going to drain anon. The other one will though.
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>>94358546
what happened?
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>>94363524
>The website says it's "under review"
>https://www.patreon.com/posts/allsync-link-43350057
Is there a reason we *shouldn't* expect it to be taken down, then?
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>>94359698
dragon ball

what is the idea behind "you can only pick on the day that you become aware of this cyoa"? is that supposed to prevent something or balance something?
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>>94362628
Seeing Wolf
Recreational Vehicle
Brendan Hargrave. Get for free!

Spirit Magic
Blood Henna
Protective Aura
Big Dick Energy
Iron Will
Superior Resolve
Majestic

Resistance -3
Willfulness -1
Reputation 6

JUST Sister Helene
>Her Resistance: FAILED
>Her Wilfulness: DESTROYED
AND I get her Fellow nuns and students, too.
Use them to get other clans friendly with me.

Lone Wolf +3
Mark of the Beast +1
The Last Crusade +1
Use Nun to misdirect the Crusaders/hunters.
Get weaker-willed hunter bitches if they come to visit.
The Sons of Odin +1
Get Crusaders/hunters to racist wolfs.
Have their Pure Bitches sent to my Nunnery.

Fuck Clans. I got a Nunnery full of Bitches, and I'm good.
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>>94363877
NTA
I added a similar condition in one of my CYOAs. The goal was to apply the CYOA to the present situation and knowledge of the player, not to the situation and knowledge the player could set up if given time, because it might be easy to cheese the latter.
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>>94364072
based build
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>>94364086
idk, i feel like it's different from this cyoa still.

target a dogs
target b humans
target c sars viruses
target d some nearly extinct species

yes i realize i am a human.
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>>94364086
Target B: The entire thecostra class, forever saving us from barnacles, which is a coincidentally numerous and easily accessible animal. The value of gold is a small price to pay for the complete extinction of the worst animal and giving billions the satisfaction of repeatedly destroying its ugly shape.
Target C: Explode all mosquitos, no contest, lowest ratio of mass to human hazard.
Target A: Raccoons (procyon) are also extremely dangerous pests, but they are resourceful and sociable omnivores that have already have a knack for finding human beings.
Target D: Alatina grandis. It has been years since I first saw this CYOA and I do not wish for the millions of him to live like that, so he will drown. It is not a useful, safe, intelligent, or unique species. Earth loses nothing. I lose nothing.
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>>94364086
i think this cyoa is not that fun to play but it's kind of fun to read other people's answers.
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>>94364375
cuck your own adventure
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>>94362628
Howling Wolf
Shrine

Superior Speed
Superior Strength
Superior Stamina
Superior Sense
Superior Regeneration
Superior Agility
Protective Aura
Predatory Aura
Dominant Aura
Majestic (2x)
Blood Henna
Iron Will

Resistance -2
Wilfulness -3
Reputation 11

Ishiyama Suzune
Koga Akari
Koga Akane
>yellow fever final boss

Mark of the Beast
The Last Crusade
Hellmouth
The Sons of Odin
Leech Town
Painful Transformation
Lone Wolf

Although I prefer VTM - fun cyoa.
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>>94364086
its obviously quite simple to minmax this cyoa by picking any arthropoda subset, both in term of individual count and biomass amount
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>>94364628
Minmax which one? Do you mean the gold?
You do not benefit from all the arthropods in the world turning to gold, that would be disastrous. You would benefit from some kind of animal that only you have access to turning into gold.
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WHERE

IS

GIL
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>>94364761
ded
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>>94364761
Listen. He's gone. You have to get over it. You have to move on.
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>>94364844
I refuse to accept it
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What's the CYOA where you can select a fantasy race and then join forces to fight an ememy that can infect other races?
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>>94364897
That is one of Bliss’s works, I believe. Old author that made a bunch of short silly cyoas.
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>>94364761
Cleaning my cock, why do you need him?
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>>94364897
>>94364930
Wait no. I meant to say Strife, not Bliss. Yeah, it’s Strife.
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>>94364933
Shut the FUCK up Celt
You cleaned HIS cock
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>>94364938
Mmm, no. He's slobbering all over my meat as we speak. Hurry up and say something before he stops listening.
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Aro is such a slut
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>>94365017
Well, she sure does take her time with that update. But nobody can beat italics and Ecclestates.
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>>94365185
It's because she can't keep her hands out of her goddamn pants. She's always rubbing that blistering swollen overgrown clit of hers. She is flicking her bean 24/7 and now it can't even be called a bean anymore, it's a fucking baguette! I wouldn't even be surprised if her clitty cock was bigger than whatever Italics was packing and he's black. Someone needs to put Aro's clit it in some kind of chastity cage or magically steal her clit and turn it into a clit box.
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>>94365017
does anyone ever think the random posts about people like this are sometimes just posted by (that person) in order to create discussion about themselves (attention)
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>>94365218
>he wrote with one hand
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>>94365247
No, noone in history has ever had that thought. You have a revolutionary new theory brewing there. The true nature of anon is finally revealed.
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Why did you do it anon? Was it really worth it?
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>>94365291
Fellas, is it gay to drink my own cum out of a chalice to get superpowers?
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>>94365291
Seeing anon cry about pill pickers then dutifully make one each day (while pretending to hate them) is funny.
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>>94365291
>black
not very useful
>white
too dangerous to use, the random powers might kill me
>grey
too mysterious
>pink
not very useful
>teal
not very useful

I pick yellow.
Updated the average.
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Are cyoas a third worlder hobby?
>daydreaming prompts are free with internet access
>big flashy images = low IQ requirement
>many cyoas appeal to crude & simplistic tastes (tok, troyx etc.)
>imagining yourself as a superpowered multiversal rapist gigachad let's you forget your shitty life
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>>94365419
I don't see how any of that is different to movies/tv/anime/genre fiction and so on
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>>94365419
You probably have more important things to do in those countries than CYOAs in an obscure forum.
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>>94365291
yerro pill
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>>94365419
I think the global distribution of /cyoag/ anons is the same as the distribution of 4chan posters. Any additional patterns are small and difficult to distinguish from statistical noise.
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>>94365419
Yes. Cyoag has only gotten 100x worse ever since India got common access to 4chan.
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>>94365517
>Cyoag has only gotten 100x worse ever since India got common access to 4chan
So the Technocracy was right to blow it up
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>>94365291
Yellow Pill: Teleport "anywhere". Does that include fictional universes as well, because that would be broken af.
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Cyoa where I can always be right and never do anything wrong?
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>>94365589
You don't need a cyoa for that.
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>>94365269
but what if it's a real simp? how can you know if it's a real simp or a fake simp?
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Why do you retards want magic to be gay ass superpowers that isn’t about learning secret lore or uncovering occult oddities?

God I hate you all.
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>>94365608
can it be about learning secret lore that gives me gay ass superpowers
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>>94365589
Kemonoanon NEVER stood a chance.
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>>94362875
>it only matters for mage powers
i think someone is fooling themselves
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>>94362847
Jesus fucking christ, no wonder everyone sees magefags as turbofaggots obsessed with wanking their shitty game that gets one shot by Exalted anyway.
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>>94365621
>Kemonoanon
That's furfaggotryanon for you
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>>94365589
tok kino
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>>94365619
That’s literally what he wants. Yes.
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>>94365601
A real simp try to flaunt something he liked about the author. ("I like Italics because he makes everything autistically detailed") while a false simp will just try to trigger the usual complaints/defenders of said authors ("Play Dragonfall :D") or falseflag as the opposition ("Italicsissies...let's talk about him!").
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What kind of magic do you want?

A: “Tee hee, here’s some freebie magic superpowers to shoot fire and ice and shit haha :)”

B: “You can shoot shit from your hands, but you must learn how to do it first, and it’s really hard”

C: “Magic can only be done through ritual efforts, and as such takes time you may or may not have”

D: “Magic is done through ritual, but it’s hard as fuck, dangerous, and costly, and may not even work at all”

The former is more intimate, internal, or immediate, while the latter is much more detached, material, or external.
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>>94365778
B.
I dislike rituals.
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Post Harry Potter CYOA, I want some comfy magic that isn't superpowers
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>>94365419
3rd wordlers more interested in scam 1st wordlers anon. cyoa hobby for only who dont have rich foreigner to scam.
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>>94365419
There's little correlation, but I agree that third world has contributed to the decline of discussion here. CYOA genre was always about daydreaming scenarios here, and this changed little.
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>>94365800
…what do you think Harry Potter magic is, anon? it is innate magic and wands merely help the wizard channel it. magic is 100% a superpower. muggles can’t do wizard alchemy or potion making, as they have no magic to put into it.
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>>94365830
You may categorize it as "superpower", but it actually got disciplines to study and specialise in, unlike Aruslop
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>>94365778
Either A or B. The other two are just lame.
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>>94365844
>but it actually got disciplines to study and specialise in
She tried that once, but it was in arguably her messiest and worst cyoa to date.
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>>94365849
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You can tell caster fags are terrified of ritual magic because it puts their beloved supremacy over martials into jeopardy, even though this means they just have to be a bit more intelligent and cunning with their magic, and that is literally the only difference.

They truly want magic to be like muscles rather than a matter of intelligence. That they want to be casters at all is hilariously ironic when what is magic associated the most with?
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>>94365883
I don't care about caster supremacy. I'd rather have both magic and martial strength to be on equal (high) footing.
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>>94365778
A and C are good, B and D are bad.
I like CYOAs that encourage me to make plans. With B and especially D there's the problem that it involves no planning or thinking on part of the player. With A and C, the specific nature of the power allows you to think of it as a tool, and in your imagination devise precise solutions to your problems, like screwdrivers or barbed wire in a zombie survival scenario.
If it's a quality CYOA I may still play and like it even if it doesn't encourage planning. But I feel A and C are more 'advanced'.
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>>94366017
>anon can't beat tok cock
lmao
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>>94365942
>I'd rather have both magic and martial strength to be on equal (high) footing.
But that’s artificial and robotic as fuck, to the point where you start wondering “why is this world like a video game?”.
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It feels wrong to be a Slytherin, because everything in the books and movies indicated they are literally Nazi with magic, and the author didn't even bother to retcon that.
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>>94365967
So you want to be a planner without all of the risk or complications or cost or dangers. You’re just as bad as the others.
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>>94365778
D is the most satisfying if you succeed at it.
>>94365967
>With B and especially D there's the
problem that it involves no planning or thinking on part of the player.
Derp alert
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>>94366065
Rowling literally has antisemitic goblins and elf slaves. Only humans are allowed to use wands. Her entire setting is bigoted as fuck and her fans complain about her trans opinions? Really? Lmao.

I love Rowling so much. She is such a big litmust test for the globe.
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>>94365778
b
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>>94365778
There's nothing inherently wrong with magic being convenient, and having shitty and difficult magic doesn't make the cyoa any better.
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>>94366098
>There's nothing inherently wrong with magic being convenient
How convenient are we talking? If magic is too convenient, to the point of being a convenience, then it may no longer be seen as magic. Like how the elves in middle-earth don’t see anything they do as magic.
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>>94366073
>>94366081
You didn't think it through. A and C involve planning ahead for risk and dangers: when climbing a cliff, wear a harness. B and D involve no planning, only vague hand-waving: "So some unspecific problems will probably come up, and I will resolve the situation through similarly unspecific means. Stop asking questions!" It's yourself that you tell to stop asking questions by insisting on the unspecificity, you are telling yourself to stop thinking.
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>>94366115
>Like how the elves in middle-earth don’t see anything they do as magic.
Like how you don't see what you do as faggotry.
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>>94362628
Before I post my build for this, is it possible to grow stronger than shown in the CYOA?

Because as is it seems like beating the Ragnageddon! is impossible, considering that each of the great beast's servants is stronger than the strongest werewolf
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>>94362341
>Ancient

>The Ministry

>Bound Willpower
>Mark of Caine

>Sunlight Sensitivity 4*
>Fire Sensitivity 1
>Temper 1
>Bestial 3
>Daysleep 3
>The Cold 3

>Affinity
>-Auspex*
>-Fleshcrafting*
>-Obfuscate*
>-Seduction*
>-Fortitude
>-Necromancy
>Potent
>-Protean*
>-Hemomancy
>-Umbramancy
>Master
>-Dreamwalking
>-Auspex (Sire)
>-Fleshcrafting (Sire)
>-Protean (Sire)

>Traditional
>Unappealing
>Infamous
>Feeder
>Powerplay
>Traumatic Memories
>Calculated Embrace

>Eager Servitude (Protean)

>No Introductions

>Diablerie
excellent CYOA, I've made like 5 builds without posting until I landed on one I liked. Lots of fun combinations to be explored
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>>94366064
Not really. That's only for people who have your very specific intuitions about intelligence and nature, or in other words just you.
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>>94366065
>he doesn't want to be a nazi with magic and hot women
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>>94363001
>Origin:
Arcana

>Requirement:
Academic

>Planeswalking:
Acceptable Taste, Good Start, Fitting In, Advancement Level+, Demiplane

"you can reshape [the Demiplane] however you like" and its size make it the most powerful option in the cyoa and worth all points. It is every facility all in one. It can even be used to evade danger.

>Death:
none

Dying is very unlikely after getting the ball rolling (which is incredibly easy).

>Personal:
Self Improvement+, Memory, Ontological Inertial

>Planar Magic:
Planar Runes, Advanced Runes

>Academic Options:
Catalogue Check, Societal Traits, Higher Standard, Making Progress

Choose "happy, honest, intellectual, kind, peaceful" and crank the tech (and magic if there is any) level to max for the first verse and it's gg.

>Connections:
Fetrain Tal'Dor, Trevor of the Falls, Alleni Brievana

>Mentors:
Carl Gauss, Notola Actogla

>Requirements:
60
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>>94366400
I thought the thumbnail is ted's bomb, lol.
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Has anyone tried to get ai to generate html-based cyoas? Cyoa images don't quite work yet I assume, but if it's just text / code, ai might handle that better.
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>>94362792
Me.
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>>94363001
Magic Journey is the best Planeswalker cyoa so far.
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>>94366792
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>>94366804
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>>94363001
They really should have at least the first world properly fleshed out, it sucks when it's just hand-waved.
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>>94366816
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>>94366776
There have been some number of cyoas where AI was prompted to write the text for the options. But I don't know if anyone has tried making AI write an entire cyoa.
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>>94366792
It's Lone Observer's planeswalker cyoa for me.
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>>94366848
post it, you coward
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>>94366792
It's Dawn of a New Planeswalker for me, but this is pretty good too
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>>94366893
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>>94366856
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>>94366971
I like how it does not do the
>"You like Pokemon? You can planeswalk to Pokemon world!"
thing that most planeswalking-focused CYOAs too, which makes the setting feel too much like an amusement park.
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Shitty Planeswalker CYOA
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>>94367066
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>>94367083
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>>94367066
Lives up to its name, at least.
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>>94367066
I don't get it. I know the Magic keyword First Strike, but what does it mean when I buy it here? WIll it just increse my reaction speed or? Aren't planeswalkers supposed to have dozens or hundreds of spells (represented by the player's deck), so everything I buy here wouldn't even matter?
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>>94367291
>Aren't planeswalkers supposed to have dozens or hundreds of spells
Yes.

>so everything I buy here wouldn't even matter?
Yes, except for absurd combos like Hexproof + Indestructible.
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>>94367351
>Yes, except for absurd combos like Hexproof + Indestructible.
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Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>94367066
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>>94367510
>Envy
I'll become the One True Author.
>Greed
No more off-topic derailements.
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>>94365291
>Dangles me a mystery box that will appear on day 14
Fuck now my brain is obligated to take it now. so i will take that.
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>>94367426
>or more
muh dick
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>>94365291
>Pink Pill of yesterday
I'm now reminded of another "Get psychic powers, but be a girl". One more and it'll be a pattern.
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I didn't look at this thread until now and i'm not combing it, did anything interesting happen.
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>>94368182
Pill Picker #7 released.
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>>94365291
Yellow
Makes me feel better about picking a thousand euro
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konosuba cyoa?
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>>94368272
Mage and Vampire talk, Pill Picker 7, Tok
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Finding pictures?
never find them
Writing a script?
no he never writes it
Making a build
doesn't make one
he does nothing
gil does nothing
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New thread when
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>>94368272
Number 7? more like number 7 trillion. Just every day we get like 3 of them on the hugbox.
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>>94368296
How does that not exist yet?
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>>94368527
>we
>hugbox
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>>94368527
>>94368607
>He's not even right
kek
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NEW THREAD:
>>94368621
>>94368621
>>94368621
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>>94366400
>The Ministry
why?
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>>94368711
I know nothing about this setting beyond what's in the CYOA. I wanted to riff on the Egyptian theme and I liked the default affinities, plus it made sense for my relationship with my sire
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>>94366088
?
she uses her "bigoted setting" to say bigotry is bad though.
and her trans opinions weren't even bigoted as far as i saw.
this post might be bait but i think the answer to it is simple enough that i may as well post it anyhow.



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