>Necron warrior on par with an average astartes>necrodermys much more durable than their armor due to The reanimation protocol>Even if their body are destroyed they respawn>The fooder necron weapon can break a rhino like it was paper mache>Necron nobility weapons can break Titans>Blackstone Completely nullifies warp and psykers>The average Cryptkes is stronger than Most librarians>Scares the shit out of the 'nids>Could seal off the chaos gods>World engines, aeons orb, The oerrari, C'tan shard wunder waffen
>>94367438Because GW wants to sell miniatures and Space Marines are more popular than Crons.
>>94367438Turns out they're no that powerful.
>>94367438This was the state of the galaxy in terms of Necron territory after 100 years with less than 1% of their forces awoken. They literally are mogging the galaxy OP.
>>94367438>overtook Overtaken. >whatever the fuck is happening with your capitalization in the second bit>fooder lol >cryptkes, the shorter preteen version of a cryptek >oerrariThat's a thing you order by clicking on one of the adverting banners for personal toys anon.
>>94367477That's a retarded amount of territory. I don't like it.
>>94367566Necrons alongside Tyranids are meant to be completely, unequivocally unstoppable by the Imperium. Chaos has a good change because of its BS though.Not necessarily saying that's a good thing, differing opinions are valid, but on paper the Tyranids and Necrons have been beating the Imperium bloody with no end in sight since they arrived/awakened and things have only been getting worse.
The majority of them are still asleep and they are divided in a civil war
Will we ever get a Man of irons faction?
>>94367438>How have they not overtook the galaxy yet?most of them are still on standbyif they were all to wake up at once, it's over for the rest of the galaxy.but the necrons will rule the galaxy once again, because they're the only civilization that the tyranids have no interest in.the only viable strategy against them is to get them all while they're in their tombs, waiting.
>>94367586It just makes me think if we overlaid all these empire maps. The imperium would be tiny even though it's supposed to dominate the galaxy.
>>94367586>differing opinions are valid, but on paper the Tyranids and Necrons have been beating the Imperium bloody with no end in sight since they arrived/awakened and things have only been getting worse.I mean>Tau expanding>Chaos:Exploding>Necroms awakening>Orks preparing for a real big waaaaagh!!!!!!>Eldar idk>nids advancing>Emperor of man receding(He is bald corpse)
>>94367438Because Matt Ward turned them into Tomb Kings. They used to be a force of slaves enslaved by eldritch Gods. Now they are redditor tomb kings in space.
>>94367689The Imperium never dominated the galaxy, since Battlefleet Gothic, it's been limited by Warp Routes and is what has allowed thousands of Xenos empires to live essentially within its borders. To be fair this also means multiple factions can overlap on the same area.That being said, the Imperium has been having its shit kicked in for the last millennium and hasn't been able to hold itself together since the Tyranids and Necrons showed up. It might have taken centuries but if you condensed the entirety of Imperial history into a one minute diagram it's spent the last five seconds completely collapsing.
>>94367727The imperium is supposed to dominate the galaxy. Whoever makes these maps simply didnt think things through.
>>94367752I don't know if you're baiting but the whole background vibe has been the Imperium on the cusp of dying for ages. All the stories of the Space Marines winning are almost universally about the Imperium buying one more day or minimizing damage rather than actually achieving anything. Humanity has been in freefall and the brink of total collapse for a few centuries by the current year and it's only accelerating.
>>94367781No the background vibe is the imperium being a massive empire that's being attacked on all sides.
>>94367845Yes, and absolutely being on the losing end/everything getting worse. Even the whole return of the Primarchs, the Primaris and all this stuff the Imperium has been incapable of doing for thousands of years is ultimately mostly doing damage control while all the other factions are getting objectively, exponentially stronger.Humanity was never meant to win 40k, it was always the last gasp of the Imperium even if it refuses to go down without the mother of all fights.
>>94367858Idk how you're not getting that "losing" doesn't contradict being the dominant power in the galaxy.
>>94367477The necron population makes no senseNo new necrons are ever created, so their absolute maximum population was day 1 after biotransference. That happened after they got their asses kicked by the Old Ones and their galactic empire was destroyed. In some accounts they are literally just seething on their home planet at this point or at least stuck on the fringe of the galaxy. So the maximum necron population = however many necrontyr were left after getting turbofucked by frogs. Since then they have been bleeding out for millions of years with no way of recovery. Whenever the reanimation protocols fail or a tomb world gets blown up, they permanently lose a chunk of their population and can't get it back. They fought the War in Heaven where there were crazy superweapons on all sides. We know a load more necrons got permakilled fighting the C'tan. After they went to sleep, many tomb worlds were hunted down and destroyed by eldar, some got destroyed by squats or random cosmic accidents. And then when they started waking up many of them have gone insane or are just plain broken.The necron population has been through a dozen filters at this point and there's still a gorillion of them.
>>94367884Agreed, the Necrons having a gorgillion warriors is dumb and an unnecessary escalation of the Necron threat since they were already performing absurdly well - at a certain point it just becomes unnecessary wank and even as a fan of Necrons being an unstoppable apocalypse faction it was just pointless.
>>94367884It's stated that their remaining population is equal to the imperium's current population. Cope and seethe humancuck
>>94367883Probably semantic miscommunication, the Imperium is at the same time the strongest faction for now and basically powerless to do anything but try and weather the blows, so they're both dominant and not depending on your viewpoint I guess.
>>94367883nta They're not the dominant power anymore. They're losing enough they're no longer dominant. Being massive isn't the same thing as being dominant.
>>94367911Dictionary
>>94367924No. They're big. They can't organize or use their bigness. They are no longer dominant. There is growing conflict between a variety of powers for dominance. The argument that >if they focused on one thing they're smash it is saying they're a paper tiger at best. That's not dominant. They can't focus on one thing or they lose. That's not dominant.
>>94367438they eepy
>>94367947>>94367924
>>94367438>any of these No.
>>94367438Hard to win when you're all senile
40k is in a permanent homeostasis to maximize profits
>>94367438because they are still relatively few and number, and the thing is with them they are finite so even with extremely low real causalties they can't just dick wave around, especially since a good portion of them probably got destroyed before even waking up, then you have the fact that they are not united, just look at the recent Pariah campaign where as often as the crons are fighting the Imperials (and now chaos) they are also fighting each other since the silent king and the storm lord have contradictory goals, on a similiar topic not all the dynasties or notable necron figures even really want to expand that much with some just wanting to carve their own little area and doing fuck all else, then you have the other factions besides the Imperium especially the eldar who can muster something against them
>>94367689It never did. Imperium controls jack shit. It's the largest, currently existing civilization, but millions of worlds are nothing, when there are billions of them.Imperium has more holes than swiss cheese in it's territory and it's overstretched across Galaxy, which allows Imperium to get it's ass kicked by every Alien, Chaos Civilization/Cult/Warband, Pirates Human and otherwise, Non-Imperium Human Civilizations, Cosmic Horrors that sleep in the void between the worlds, AI remains from DAOT, cursed artifacts of death civilizations and whatever else is crawling around the Galaxy.Imperium isn't large, it's stretched and all it gets from it, is allowing everyone to kick it's ass, every thursday.
>>94367438There aren't that many of them and they don't wake up for no reason.
>>94370218nono, they're dominant, if I keep saying >dictionary it will change the entire history of the setting.
>>94367438>necrons are actually unstoppable!!!!!>gets their shit kicked in at damnos>Black Templars humiliate Imotekh, make him flee like a bitch and sends the Sautekh dynasty flagship straight into the sun>Trazyn tries to steal Vulkan Hestan and the Salamander's bling, gets his shit kicked in twice>Lost at Damnos>World Engine got nuked>got stalemated at Orphean>had to team up with the Blood Angels during Cryptus>Mephiston singlehandedly wipes out an entire dynasty by himself>Necrons can get sick and suffer an epidemic from a Death Guard sneezing on them>entire Necron race divided into a civil war>The Silent King is currently getting his shit kicked in by the Admech and VashtorrDon't make me laugh. Necrons were supposed to be the big bad at 9th ed, only to get sidelined immediately. Now Tyranids and Chaos stole their spotlight (again)
All the people delusional enough to say that Necrons (or other xenos) are gonna "win" in 40k are retards. That's like saying that the Elves, Lizardmen or Tomb Kings (or undead) were gonna "win" in Warhammer FantasyIf anything it's gonna be Chaos and Abaddon that wins in the end
>>94367632They'll probably never spell it out but Votann are pretty clearly a degenerated remnant of Men of Stone clones and Men of Iron/DAoT AI.Honestly kinda awful if you ask me. DAoT works best as a sort of aspirational ideal that 40k Humanity will never reach again. It really cheapens the whole thing if there's enough of its leftovers to form a whole civilization of gay dwarves.Also it opens a giant plot hole, not that 40k is unfamiliar with those. The few DAoT AIs that survived the Cybernetic Revolt got ruined by Chaos during the Age of Strife; crazy AIs are supposed to be like half the reason all the DAoT ruins beneath Mars are completely inaccessible. You're telling me the Age of Strife was bad enough to completely wipe the tech available on Mars and Terra but somehow the gay dwarf computers totally made it through unscathed?
>>94367845No, the vibe is that the Imperium is falling apart. One Primarch, two Primarchs, even half a dozen is probably not enough.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyxyQ0tixFkThe trailer for 10th spells it out: the propaganda is that it's a massive empire, being attacked, but that they're winning.The truth is that they're fucked.
>>94367438Objectively speaking, yes, the Necrons should wipe the floor with anyone else because, well, they are literally millions of years more advanced than anyone in the Galaxy, but 40k is not a logical setting.
>>94370927>The few DAoT AIs that survived the Cybernetic Revolt got ruined by Chaos during the Age of StrifeThere are other AIs still around. They just all think the Imperium and Mars in particular are degenerate shitters unworthy of their service. They were proud and took joy in serving their human masters once before, they loved humanity. But the humanity that came out of the Age of Strife and the ten thousand years of the Imperium, they despise.
Necrons used to be THE Apocalypse faction, the Ancient threat emerging from the depths of space and bringing upon such power that the younger races can scarcely comprehend, let alone fight against.Then they became Tomb Kings in space and do... whatever it is they do these days.And this is coming from someone who loves Tomb Kings. But Tomb Kings work for Tomb Kings. They do NOT work for Necrons.
>>94370961>but the trailer vibes!!Jesus christ not this again. The Nids and the 4th tyrannic war already got pushed back in their own codex. They already got sidelined in favor of Chaos and VashtorrAll this the "imperium's gonna collapse anyday now" has been aroud for decades now.
>>94367586>just fifty more tyrannic war bros>nids will consume the galaxy eventually in 50th edition in 2077!
>>94370885Don't forget that Lucius the eternal can reincarnate from a Necron
>>94371041I mean eventually the setting will have to end. It might be a decade, it might be 5, but eventually all things have to end, and as it stands the end being Nids/Necrons makes a lot more sense than Chaos.
>>94371055It won't "end" as in one faction destroys/conqers the galaxyIt will suffer the same fate as The Old World in Fantasy. The entire setting is gonna get upended and rebirthed a la Age of Sigmar.Heck some people have already compared the current state of 40k to AoS >Abaddon splitting the galaxy into two vs Archaon destroying The Old World>Return of the Primarch vs Sigmar's rebirth>Primaris vs Stormcast
>>94371055does the setting have to end? an AoS style event is hardly mandatory. it seems more likely that 40k will "end" by games workshop just going out of business, or even shuttering the setting without any real interest in a "resolution" or any further development
>>94367438>>94370885Honestly, where did the whole "Necrons are 100% unstoppable" thing even come from. Anyone who's read even just the codexes or just the wiki, let alone BL novels, already know that Necrons CAN be defeated and be stopped. Like back during FW's Orphean sector books it was clear that while formidable, they ain't invincibleLike yeah, the Necron codexes all do their best to wank off the Necrons, but every faction gets treated the same way in their codex. The Necrons get their asses kicked in other faction's codexes and novels.
>>94367586>Chaos has a good change because of its BS thoughdo they, though? with necrons not having souls or any emotions to feed off, what else do they have?I guess nids count as the greed/hunger that could feed them for eternity?
>>94371193>but every faction gets treated the same way in their codexalmost every factionsome of these 10th codexes feel like their primary mission is make its own subject lame as possible
>>94367438They've been active in the setting for less than 300 years, only showing up in any real numbers in 744.M41, or the year before Hive Fleet Behemoth invaded.
>>94370910Nobody cares about Chaos winning cause its the mary sue faction of GW. Chaos is never gonna win either until 40k stops making money
>>94367689>The imperium would be tiny even though it's supposed to dominate the galaxy.The Milky Way galaxy contains 100-400 billion stars and at least as many planets. The Imperium is said to be "an empire of a million worlds". The Imperium "dominates" the galaxy in the sense that it's the biggest and most powerful coherent state. The most widespread and numerous species were always explicitly the Orks except they suffer from massive infighting and so have trouble getting shit done. I seriously doubt those areas marked as "territory" mean that every single planet and system is controlled. Rather, it's probably an area of space where they're relatively numerous The thing that actually bothers me is that there is very little focus on Xenos vs Xenos conflict. Logically, they should get into each others' way much more frequently especially now that the Rift is open and the Imperium much weaker.
>>94370927Except that the gay dwarf computers didn't make it through, most of the ancestor cores are explicitly senile and getting worse in the 41st millennium. Occasionally you have a new votann emerge spontaneously from squattish networks but that kind of autogenesis is rare (and clearly pretextual to give Your Dudes their own AI).
>>94374628>The thing that actually bothers me is that there is very little focus on Xenos vs Xenos conflictXenos fans just aren't numerous enough to support lots of novels. Also, most people who end up sticking with 40k for more than a few years inevitably get drawn into reading Imperium lore since there is far more of it than the rest of the factions combined
>>94373241Chaos isn't just fed by raw emotion, having sentient beings being aware of their existence jacks up the amount of power they get per individual, which creates a chain reaction where the more powerful they get the more people are aware of them which makes them more powerfulUnless something unusual happens, Chaos is on track to turn the entire galaxy into something like the Eye of Terror. Sure it will burn itself out eventually, but even Orks, Necron and Tyranids will have a hard time surviving in it
>>94367438They’re stupid and old and stupid and very old
>>94377908That's pretty much what happened to me. I used to be an Eldar player. I can't remember what started me down the Mechanicus route but I thought they were cool and that's where I'm at right now.
>>94377908>>94379520A good example of this is the Ynnari books.They were meant to be a trilogy but because nobody cared about the Eldar it got canceled two books in.
>>94384316Gav Thorpe actively shits on the Eldar when he writes them, though.
Nucrons were a mistake.
>>94389459he thinks pointless tragedies are deep, and doesn't get most of his potential fanbase are teens and manchildren who want to see their faction kick other faction's butts, possibly with some memes thrown into be fair, it is kind of fun in his original trilogy reading about whiny dysfunctional teenage drama queens butchering other faction's fodder after a few months of training
>>94367438SleepyComfyNo need to rush
>>94394893I too hate when they took Chaos Androids and turned them into generic metal tyranids with le so Lovecraftian TM leaders.Thank god Wardcrons replaced that boring nucron slop with something more fun!
>>94371105Horus Heresy 2.0 as a concept doesn't bother me as much as Endtimes.
>>94367438Because one faction winning would end the setting, see WHFB
>>94367884>>94367901>It's stated that their remaining population is equal to the imperium's current populationThat's really dumb. Why can't GW just let them make drones or something to explain how they keep up their numbers? Or say that they actually kidnap other races and force them through Biotransference? Plus even the Eldar can still grow their population.
>>94367884>After they went to sleep, many tomb worlds were hunted down and destroyed by eldar, some got destroyed by squats or random cosmic accidents. And then when they started waking up many of them have gone insane or are just plain broken.My headcanon is that most of the Necron actually got stashed away in those hidden dimensions they are so fond off, basically just hiding from the Eldar in a similar way to how modern Eldar hide in the Webway and on their Craftworlds from Slaanesh. Still not a full proof way to hide, but better than hiding under a rock>Plus even the Eldar can still grow their population.Not easily, the spirit stones are the main chokepoint for the Craftworlds, the Dark Eldar could grow their numbers quickly but they are too dysfunctional
