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>>94367656>What god are you worshipping now that Gorum is gone?Who's worth worshiping? If I wanted to play a male martial character, Ragathiel's really the only one left that doesn't either cleave to a very specific theme (Erastil) or is basically a cringe reddit male (Cayden Cailean.) All of the best portfolios in Golarion are claimed by women. Samurai? Shizuri. Love and Beauty? Shelyn. Literally Jesus? Sarenrae. Even the concept of the Sun is Sarenrae, so you can't go with being like a Sun God worshiper.Let's actually lay out what options are available to male characters who want male gods to worship. I'm going to ignore the Evil gods because we're Adventurers trying to play a heroic and chivalrous dude.>Abadar is the God of Civilization. This sounds fun until you realize he's very racist and more Guilliman than God. What do I worship? Bureaucracy!>Cayden Cailean is the God of Beer and Revelry. This might sound fun until you realize any trace of him being a womanizer as well has been scrubbed. Hell, he's fucking Torag's gay son. Worshiping Cayden these days is like putting on plaid, growing out a gay thick handlebar mustache, and saying you "bash the fash.">Erastil is based - well, was based. Also one of the few gods to have a wife (and was added in 2e, too! Holy shit, can you believe it? Heterosexuality in Current Year? Holy shit!) Biggest gripe with Erastil is that he's too laser-focused on being the God of Farming and Community, which would make for one hell of a -Y'know what? Fuck it. I'm going to just say Erastil and be done with it. Because I was about to say he's the god of Yokels and Farming but that's where the vast majority of you fucking brown-haired white boy adventurers come from.
>>94367775>he doesnt knowKEKAROOOOOO
Oh, sorry, you meant Jaidi, who was added in 2e.>inb4 esl You just write like shit
>>94367823>>94367809Oh wow, hey! Erastil's looking good.
>>94367775To be fair, Jaidi wasn't MADE in 2e, she was just massively fleshed out in it. Her first mention was in 1e but it was basically nothing more than a brief blurb after fans were asking why the god of Traditional Families did not, himself, have a wife.
>>94367656>What god are you worshipping now that Gorum is gone?Andoletta, as always.
PF2eIs there any way to gain four familiar abilites at level one?
>>94367656What the fuck do you mean they killed Gorum? He's quintessential war god and one of the most straightforward deities. Every DnD setting's got to have a God of War and Fighting War and Warfighting and Warfighters who Fight Wars. That's stupid. Paizo is stupid.
>>94368331Gorum felt like all his most powerful worshippers were evil and it was screwing up his place as a Neutral deity so he got Calistria to trick Achaekek into killing him and now lesser gods and powerful outsiders of battle and war are going around killing each other to try and claim his seat (War of Immortals) while Mortals are all having strange shit happen to them because his blood rained over the Material plane creating Exemplars and charging up a bunch of ancient relics of war. Also Gorum might not even be actually dead since after the Mantis God chopped him in half a beam of light flew into the Maelstrom from his empty suit of armour.
>>94368471That sounds stupid and I don't like it.On another note, who is the most fashionable god/dess and where can I go to acquire their drip?
>>94368117Ask your DM LOL
>>94367656>TQ: What god are you worshipping now that Gorum is gone?My next character was always going to be a Pharasmin Cleric.
>>94368471They're going to make Ragathiel the God of War because he's the only one that has some backing by the playerbase.Oh who am I kidding, they're going to give it to some sassy woman that joins the goddess polycule.
>>94368868Its going to be Seelah
What's a fitting Mythic Path for an athiest character?
>>94369556Broken Chain is literally a bunch of reddit BLM loser quotes and shit, go with that
>>94369556Godling.He doesn't believe in worshipping other gods, because he's going to be the best god.
pf2>human>mythic exemplar>from Lastwall (gets Lastwall Sentry archetype later)>strength build>1hand and shield>Guardian calling>ikons are Scar of the Survivor, Mirrored Aegis, and Mortal Harvest(Flail)There's a problem here; I want to be able to interact with the Guardian calling to get mythic points back, but I also want to have a knight-coded weapon, and I want an Ikon that can do damage. Mortal Harvest(Flail) is funny because of Sweep(when you transcend, your second attack is more accurate than your first), but from what I can tell, not particularly good for dealing damage.>Gleaming BladeThere's basically no knight shove/disarm weapons in these groups. It's all wuxia monk shit or tribal stuff. I'd use a Rapier... but I don't want to because I'm probably autistic.>Titan's BreakerA warhammer could work, but the Shove trait becomes redundant when I pick up Rescuer's Press at lvl 4 and can shove people with my shield.Send help. Or get mad at me and convince me that I'm wrong. Or some other option.
>>94369959Do you want to get shield spikes or boss? If not then you could grab a Shield Augmentation for disarm/shove: https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=1430
>>94370227See, this is why I asked here. That's stupidly helpful, because I want neither of the shield weapons.I can get Disarm/Trip on my shield from this, take whatever 1h weapon ikon I want, and get Rescuer's Press for shove later.
Saw the redo of the time mystery doesn't look as bad now. Thinking of making a forlorn elf time oracle with culist background. His whole bg is he joined a cult and gained his powers trying to bring his human wife back and is now on the run trying to make amends with what he did to attempt it
>>94367656reposting in new breadNeed some help, playing an untamed druid and need some decent long-duration buff/utility spells to populate my spell list with, so far I got ant haul, tailwind, and the ever reliable hastealso would it be worth it to grab barbarian dedication for rage? Rage works while in untamed form but idk if it's worth the -1 to AC
would the staunching rune (any rarity) affect the DC of the recovery check of bleeding from infernal wounds?
>>94370630Get Reactive Strike.
>>94368493the answer about what's the best pathfinder lore is always "the one you make up yourself"
pf2.paizo is way too stingy with weaknesses, any time my players ask, "so, do i know any weaknesses of this monster?" i reply, "no, but can i interest you in half a dozen immunities?"
>>94369037>>94368868Guys, guys. Obviously the real Gorum was the PCs we made along the way.
Does it get any better in 2e than a hungerseed fighter?
Is the key to happiness in PF1e just using Spheres of Might (no Spheres of Power) alongside standard Vancian spellcasters?
>>94372213I want to play hungerseed but honestly dont know if I want barbarian or exemplar
Paizo needs to issue official errata on what happens in the case of a mid-turn stun, because a ghost operative (and any operative with a shock weapon) has a significant chance of stunning an enemy mid-turn, and the Starfinder 2e operative really should not be able to outright negate turns.I say this as someone GMing for an 8th-level ghost operative at this very moment, teamed up with a Gap-influenced witchwarper.
>>94372656I'd assume it's like a mid-turn haste; doesn't kick in until the next one.
>>94372710Ideally, that would be the case, yet the RAW is so murky here that there is a case for a stun 1 Hair Trigger to completely negate an enemy's turn. I think that that should be closed off.Post-errata Hair Trigger is still a menace, especially with Always Ready and Switch Target to help it trigger.
>>94372656Stunned doesn't really eat a turn though. It just consumes actions equal to its value. How many stacks is the Operative able to apply in just one Reaction?
>>94372778The issue is the second sentence: "You can't act."This is not a new debate. It is one that has been around since 2019.Here are some examples:https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/x4vw1b/what_happens_if_you_get_stunned_during_your_turn/https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/y7djxm/questioning_stunned_on_turn/https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/17vpidj/stunned_in_the_middle_of_your_round_clarified/https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/imh2mp/getting_stunned_on_your_turn/https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/108cqbc/stunned_on_your_turn_after_the_errata/https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/132kfma/issues_with_the_stunned_condition/
>>94372832That seems like an overly narrow interpretation of flavor text. The Stunned condition block spells out in detail how the condition functions and that function is to consume actions equal to its value, with the key phrase being >each time you regain actionsEven if you could be affected by Stun mid-turn it would only eat actions you hadn't spent yet. Say:>move>attack>eat a reaction and get Stunned 1 >lose third action because StunBut what it actually does is >move>attack>eat reaction and get Stunned 1 >do third action>on your following turn Stunned eats 1 action and now you have two left
>>94372656Is this a vtuber? She's very cute.
>>94372877What you describe is slow, not stun. The purpose of stun is to kill free actions and reactions too.
>>94372984You lose actions equal to your Slowed value, but Slow always has a duration. It isn't consumed by losing actions. Stunned is reduced by the number of actions that you lose (e.g. it is 'consumed' by the process of removing the target's actions). Or if it's given a duration just prevents you from acting entirely. If you are Stunned 2, then the next time you regain actions Stunned will eat two of them and go away, leaving you with one left.
>>94368868I like Ragathiel, he seems like a cool dude.
>>94372996So your claim is really that a creature stunned for 1 minute can still make reactive strikes, despite "you can't act" being clearly written?
>>94372656half of your posts are you being retarded anon, stunned clearly says when you would regain actions you lose one
>>94373040It would only take effect on their following turn because the condition explicitly says >each time you regain actionsStunned does not consume actions you already have, it prevents you from gaining more. 'You can't act' is as much a rule as 'you've become senseless' which is to say it's just fluff text to describe the condition, not a mechanical description of what it does.
>>94373071Stunned creatures "can't act" and the way to clear the stunned condition (with a value, not duration) is to lose actions when you would regain them. Until then, you can't act.
>>94373074I said stunned for 1 minute, not stunned 1.
>>94373096Yes. And you would still be able to finish out your turn if you were Stunned in the middle of it because Stunned does not remove your current actions, it only prevents you from regaining them.
>>94373088you are retarded anon, you lose one action when stunned 1, at the start of your turn when you would regain actions, that is how it works
>>94373106Then you missed the point. What do you believe stunned does to reactions and free actions? If "you can't act" is for some reason not a rule, then stunned creatures can take reactive strikes.
>>94373074I think this is a great case for removing flavor text for shit because retards will think the flavor text is gospel for how a thing works when it's just flavor textevery 2E thing is laid out the same way>name>flavor text>what it does
>>94373124stunned does not explicitly state you can't use reactions, so yes, you can reactive strike while stunned, there is nothing stopping you
>>94373124Personally I would rule that Stunned enemies can't take reactions because that's just generally intuitive, but RAW Stunned doesn't interact with them.
>>94372877"You can't act" is not actually flavor text.https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2429>Some effects might prevent you from acting. If you can't act, you can't use any actions, including reactions and free actions.
>>94373129>>94373134>>94373137>ignore the rule that says you can't act while stunned>double down on the most retarded conclusionThis is some next level brain issue.
>>94373154Huh. I guess anon is right then, Stunned would just eat the rest of the target's turn. I remain very annoyed with Paizo's dumb semantic games.
So why did Paizo remove the scaling proficiency from Archer, Mauler, Martial Artist etc? How am I supposed to build a 1H Freehand + off-hand gauntlet/fist Fighter now? Wait until level 19?
>>94373167you are retarded, it's flavor text
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>>94373226Paizo seems really hesitant about auto-scaling anything. Although I sorta like their solution here since it makes it way less stupid to try and build into Advanced weapons. >want an advanced 2h weapon >take the 2h weapon specialized archetype >I am now as good with advanced 2h weapons as I could expect to be with the othersIs it worth a whole feat? Eh... I have a generally negative opinion of most dedications. But if I really wanted a broadspear or something and was playing a FA game then Mauler just becomes a no-brainer because I want all the stuff it has anyway.
>>94373276See>>94373154
>>94371875Yea I don't know why people jerk off classes like Alchemist's access to multiple damage types for weakness procs when chances are shit won't be weak to any of them most of the time anyway. At best you're just able to duck Resistances.
>>94372877It feels like there are two different kinds of stuns. "Stunned X" would not interrupt a current turn, and go into effect on the character's next turn when they regain actions. "Stunned for a duration" seems to be much more intense and effectively go into effect immediately including reactions and free actions.
>>94373637Stunned X still puts you in the "you can't act" state while it is present, and until it is removed (usually after taking away X actions at the start of your next turn).
>>94373325not arguing with a braindead gachatardplease put on a trip so I can filter your retarded shit >>94373392In this case we can look at the entry and discover the you can't act is specifically saying what the stunned condition does, if you are stunned you can't act, and then the entry specifies how stunned works. Stunned has a value, ensuring you can't act for a number of actions equal to the value, starting when you would regain actionsstunned does not immediately take actions awayIn the stunned condition it specifies that stunned overrides slowed as they do the same thing, in the slowed condition it specifies "Because you regain actions at the start of your turn, you don't immediately lose actions if you become slowed during your turn."Therefore we can infer that stunned is the same thing, if you get stunned in the middle of your turn you don't lose actions until the start of your next turn.
>>94372656can we ignore the argument for a second and can you post the thing the ghost operative does that can inflict stunned mid-turn so we can see if we can infer what the intended effect is
>>94373722If you are stunned 1, then you are stunned. There is no "starting when you would regain actions".
>>94370590Heads up, because Paizo is a WELL-OILED MACHINE OF A COMPANY; it, Ashes, and Blight Mystery don't have Level 10 feats. Either work with your GM to give you access to one of the preexisting ones or see if the Fall 2024 errata fixes that.>>94373226It was specifically to prevent that exact kind of cheese.I really do wish they replace that Level 19 feature, it is such a ribbon but also breaks so much of the understanding of the game.>>94373568>At best you're just able to duck Resistances.Don't underestimate that, that really can save your ass and/or time on Earth when you don't have to punch through so many resistances. Creatures like ghosts, golems, and rakshashas can be remarkably tanky if you just can't bypass their resistances.
>>94373741Original:>Exploit: You’re adept at taking your foes by surprise. You can Aim at targets that are unaware of you as a free action. If you successfully Strike a target who is unaware of you, or has an attitude of friendly toward you, they become slowed 1 for 1 round. On a critical success, they’re stunned for 1 round.Errata: https://paizo.com/starfinderplaytest/faq>Page 88 (Operative): Replace the ghost operative's exploit's second and third sentence with: "You can Aim at targets your undetected by as a free action. If you successfully Strike a target you are undetected by, or has an attitude of friendly towards you, they become slowed 1 for 1 round."Compiled:>Exploit: You’re adept at taking your foes by surprise. You can Aim at targets that are unaware of you as a free action. If you successfully Strike a target who is unaware of you, or has an attitude of friendly toward you, they become slowed 1 for 1 round. On a critical success, they’re stunned for 1 round.The issue here is not the slowed 1 for 1 round. It is the stunned for 1 round.As for the shock critical specialization:>Shock: The target must succeed at a Fortitude save against your class DC or be stunned 1.An operative can wield an arc rifle and Hair Trigger with it. An operative has fighter weapon proficiency, so a mid-turn stun 1 is very much possible.
>>94373971>it is such a ribbon but also breaks so much of the understanding of the game>all classes can use different weapons at the same proficiency>the fighter gets this at 19>this breaks the game
>>94374010I think there's two issues herefirst is it only says stunned, it doesn't specify a value The other is slowed 1 and stunned do the same thing, so if stunned is the better outcome due to critical success, but both have the same duration, we can infer that yes stunned prevents you from actinghowever, free action would be on your turn correct? What is hair trigger is that like a reactive strike?
>>94373971>Don't underestimate that,I don't underestimate getting around resistances, I've played enough rpgs to know that's good, that doesn't somehow invalidate that there's a weird amount of jerking off the idea of proccing WEAKNESSES to things when that rarely if ever really matters.>>94373226>>94373971>It was specifically to prevent that exact kind of cheese.>it is such a ribbon but also breaks so much of the understanding of the game.>a class getting its gimmick with more than one weapon type breaks the gameFighter could have full progression in every weapon category at once and the best overall thing you could do on fighter would still mono-weapon shit like Guisarme Trip-Lord or some shit. The only thing "cheesy" about it premaster was shit like combination weapons, which blow ass anyway.
>>94374089>>94374153Ever since the original Gunslinger playtest, Paizo recognized that granting Fighter multiple Legendary weapon proficiencies creates weird cheese and lazy optimizations. This is why Singular Expertise existed to begin with, so many Drifters would take Aldori Duelist Archetype to get Legendary Gun + Sword and dominate a good number of encounters. And this created a whacky scenario where it was better to be a Fighter that specialized in Guns and then take an Archetype to get way more oomph than Gunslinger ever does.Weapon Legend just recreates all these issues but also adds nothing to Fighter. By 19 they already have a fully-kitted out weapon and solidified a build, and the idea that said weapon would just go oopsie-daisy and they need Legendary proficiency in an entirely different weapon class is silly. Sure, maybe you fight a Balrog and it fucking melts, but you would have a backup for this situation that would be the *same weapon type*. Given the idea they changed out all these proficiency issues in the archetypes but then still just let it slide because 'uuhhhh high level' really does show a weird hole in Paizo's design senses.This is why I said it breaks the UNDERSTANDING, not the powerlevel. It's a case of "why did you make this?". What are you trying to resolve with these changes?
>>94374185>dominate a good number of encounters>fucking DRIFTER gunslingers dominating encounterswhere the fuck is that coming from, did I just miss all the threads of this back during the gunslinger playtest
>>94374216Dominate a bit too strong a word but it was also fucking WEIRD and made Drifter the best of the selection (especially since the Arquebus back then was hilariously mid and forced you to use a tripod at all times. So Sniper Gunslinger was...no.).Listen, 2020 was a weird year in general. we speak not of the Magus playtest...Ultimately, I care not for shitty capstones that give me nothing yet also creates cheese.
>>94374268Reminds me of the Inventor capstone. >you can use Reconfigure to change to a different InnovationGreat, thanks guys. Not like I didn't spent the entire campaign with the Innovation I actually wanted.
>>94374185drifter was never dominating shit
>>94374185>>94374268I guess I just disagree that it's "cheese", or that it actually creates significant issues, though I can at least agree that the level 19 """capstone""" is fucking stupid. I'd at least wish I had the option to get a second group at all in-class, at level 6 or so, or at the very least have some kind of way to get themed mixed fighter weapon groups like 1e (pretended to have, at least). Give me a "monk tagged weapons" category or something, I don't know.>Drifter the best of the selectionI have extreme doubts, doubly so now it's one of the worst of the selection
>>94374340With guns being even worse than they were now, having your off-hand have the same scaling as them makes you a less-tanky, more specialized Fighter. Not as GOOD, but still completely carried by Legendary scaling. Since key feats like Two-Weapon Fusillade, Drifter's Juke, Reloading Strike, and Running Reload all existed back then, you didn't really lost out taking Drifter. Meanwhile Pistolero didn't offer anything of note (no special reloads at that time, Reloading Strike was a Level 6 feat) and the Arquebus was, again, awful so Sniper was really crippled compared to today. It still had all the damage buffs but the tripod/Unsteady tag rules means you really couldn't reposition. Meanwhile you can just hit twice at Legendary proficiency, one of them to crit-fish out big dick damage.Basically, take Drifter being best more indicative of how FUCKING AWFUL the G&G playtest was than Drifter itself. Modern Drifter is definitely paying for some of its "sins" of optimization (god I hate Singuler Expertise, sayonara asshole in January), but Gunslinger really did had a miserable existence.
>Pre-Order Resurrection Flood because I want to try running a campaign>Expected delivery is sometime in December
1e, can I cast an Extended Possession (longer than 24hr) and recast it on the currently possessed body to extend the duration? Possibly relevant rule:Possession versus Possession: If you attempt to possess a creature that is already possessed, the possessing creature must succeed at the possession spell’s save or be ejected, allowing you to enter the host. If the possessing creature voluntarily fails its save, first that creature is automatically ejected and then the host attempts the Will save instead. A possession effect that doesn’t allow a saving throw automatically causes the possessing creature to be ejected.It looks like if the target fails one save to be possessed, I can recast and voluntarily fail the save against my own spell to renew the duration. Is this correct?Secondly, with Planar Binding(12HD), what would be a good outsider to call to be my new permanent body via Possession? The campaign is almost over so I don't mind casting powerful spells. Invisible stalker could be cool.
>>94368471>Gorum felt like all his most powerful worshippers were evil and it was screwing up his place as a Neutral deityI hadn't seen this as the canon explanation, but it was my headcanon before. It makes some sense.A God who likes who they are and doesn't want to change, but is aware that he is not truly in control of defining himself. Faith and belief can change the nature of the universe and shape a diety into soemthing else.If I were one of the writers, I'd do a tiny bit of in-world naval gazing about how the God of Battles ran from one. Maybe he did try to push back and instruct his clerics to stop his worshippers from leaning into Evil, maybe he tried and failed. But the point is that he gave up the fight and just decided to exit stage left.
>>94374471Is G&G getting a remaster or something?
>>94374471For as many steps forward as playtests->release usually are, there are still so many baffling decisions made in the transitions, and it really feels like they really could have benefited from a second full round of public playtesting for basically every single one?>>94376328Early next year it's getting a new print run, which will include changes to make it remaster compliant. We have no idea what will change besides that Singular Expertise is being changed.
>>94376328Yes, a full remaster/reprint in January.https://paizo.com/products/btq0549b?Pathfinder-Guns-Gears-Special-EditionWe already know that while it won't be much, Singular Expertise will be removed.>>94376366Paizo Playtests unfortunately are more for generating hype than fixing problems. Otherwise they wouldn't be introducing brand new subclasses and the like that don't have the same testing. See: Spellshot Way, the Magus restructuring, whatever the fuck Witch was supposed to be before it was launched incomplete.They do some changes, but not enough for me to have real confidence.>>94375946>I hadn't seen this as the canon explanation, but it was my headcanon before. It makes some sense.You can read it in the opening for Prey for Death adventure.There is some space to believe that he wanted to go out with a bit more fanfare and correction for his followers. He wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, not a sneak attack. He just didn't expect Calistra to go to Achaekek of people or for her to fudge the details.
>>94376328They're reprinting it with some minor errata. We know some things are getting changed but it's hard to say how much because they want cross-book references and page counts to remain unchanged, so there isn't much wiggle room for sweeping changes.
Pathfinder 1eIs Spheres of Power/Might any good?
>>94376833IMO it had potential but they squandered it.
Anyone can please explain if the complex mechanics of the Animist pay off?Is the class strong and worth a shot or it is just another case of overly complicated mess with no real functionality?
>>94377464Stance at 1st level that gives spell rank to damage, feat at 14 to lower spell target AC and saves against other apparitions' spells, great sustained spells, Liturgist Elf at 9 and beyond gets 1-action Step Sustain Step Sustain.Bredy gud.
>>94377464Basically, worst part of them are the Focus Spells. Numbers are too low.Everything else is pretty gud. Not exactly the best caster, but definitely very versatile.
>>94377578>Liturgist Elf at 9 and beyond gets 1-action Step Sustain Step Sustain.and if one of those sustains is vanguard of roaring waters' focus spell they get to stride as part of it
What are some good spells for a resentment witch
>>94377623Fear, Slow and Synesthesia
>>94375818The possession vs possession rule is for opposing casters trying to possess the same creature. In your case you'd simply recast the spell on the creature. Invisible Stalker seems neat. A statstick option would be the >https://aonprd.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Shira
Coming back to here after a whike to ask, is 2e worth playin now over 1e? Im a fuckin ancient stubborn geezer and ive put off 2e after it just felt like a shittier version of the pathfinder im used to so i just never bothered. I've heard a lot of mixed stuff from all the latest stuff.
>>94377885We get this question every thread, the answer will always be the same:It doesn't matter how good 2e is, they are two radically different games that offers entirely different appeals. There is overlap, but not enough to convince someone that enjoyed the min-max optimization simulationism puzzle that is 1e for the team-based tactical wargame of 2e.You either are the kind of geezer that can adapt to the unstoppable flow of time, or you're not.
>>94377623Google the Resentment Witch guide. Other than that, I would add Befuddle at level 1 since it's getting added to the Occult list in the next book. By far the best use of your ability at that level.
>>94377829Oh that is sweet, thanks for the recomendation. I just remembered Caller's Feather, so the HD limit is actually 14. Since it looks like the outsider is going to get a will save every day, I'm probably going to go for a greater elemental of some kind. Aether might be the pick for the blindsight and permanent invisibility, the only downside being Huge size
>>94377885no its still shittier 4ePlay PF1e if you want unchained nonsensePlay D&D 4e if you want your tactical skirmish tabletop
Any info on Divine Mysteries?
Whatever happened with Commander? Did we get any info after the initial playtests? I would like a smart Martial who isn't bad at their job.
>1eWhat happens if you cast Create Pit against someone who's huge?Does literally nothing happen, is it extremely difficult terrain for him, or is there some hidden Reflex save to avoid being tripped I'm unaware of?
>>94381518They playtest things far in advance. We've still got like 8 months before we start getting any more info on it.
>>94377885Play Dnd 3.5 if you want unchained nonsensePlay PF2e if you want your tactical skirmish tabletop
At least going by It Came from the Vast, space is dark in Starfinder 2e, even on the exterior hull of a ship.>PCs are on the exterior hull—there are no rooms, and the entire area is dark, a vacuum, and zero-gravity.This has some ramifications for PCs and monsters without darkvision, such as asterays, which are supposed to be "void sirens" who wander through space.Creatures in darkness are blinded: https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2404Blinded creatures treat normal terrain as difficult terrain: https://2e.aonprd.com/Conditions.aspx?ID=59Thus, a PC with only low-light vision is blinded and treats everything as difficult terrain, even as they use a jetpack to fly towards a ship. The same goes for an asteray flying towards a ship.I have played in and GMed a few fights with asterays by this point, and this has come up each time.
>>94381528RAW, spell just does what it says:>Any creature standing in the area where you first conjured the pit must make a Reflex saving throw to jump to safety in the nearest open space. In addition, the edges of the pit are sloped, and any creature ending its turn on a square adjacent to the pit must make a Reflex saving throw with a +2 bonus to avoid falling into itTechnically it does not matter if the enemy is a size of moon, if a 10ft pit appears, it must do reflex saves and then fall into pit if it fails. Of course, in my opinion the GM should apply the common sense on these things.
>>94382984What is the solution? Use your personal comm unit's flashlight to "[emit] bright light in a 5-foot radius around you and dim light in the next 5 feet," which seems like a very odd way to un-blind oneself in the darkness of space.
2eRogue question in regards to Preparation. If I use Opportune Backstab twice in the same round, would my second Opportune Backstab be at MAP? I guess this also applies to Fighters with Tactical Reflexes and AoO.
>>94383585MAP only applies during your turn.https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2289
My party members are so fucking stupid>Create wall to split enemy forces, leaving those on the other side neutralized for a while>Frontliners both instantly run to scale/bypass it and try to get to the impotent enemies on the other side, leaving enemy frontliners free to tear into my wizarding ass and the cloistered cleric
>>94383877create another wall and box them in alone with the enemies they scaled the wall to reach. they deserve it.
>>94383877>used crowd control on squishies instead of enemy frontlinersAre you sure they're the problem?
>>94384681It's a fucking wall of stone, it's crowd control on anyone that can't already fly.
>>94367656Folca, obviously, the god of 2E’s devs and their proclivities
>>94384695Can't you push the wall over?
Speaking entirely seriously and forthrightly, I think that the single most important variable that a would-be optimizer needs to account for, above and beyond individual optimization and party optimization, is adventure and GMing style. This does not just go for Pathfinder 2e; it goes for any RPG with tactical combat whose parameters can vary significantly based on how the adventure lays out its encounters, and how the GM runs those encounters. The adventure and the GM dictate the reality of gameplay, and what is most effective in that reality.What variant rules are the adventure and the GM using? What level/XP range will actually be played at? Do the adventure and the GM prefer wide, open maps, or smaller maps? How generous are the adventure and the GM about deployment zones? How generous are the adventure and the GM about pre-buffing? Do the adventure and the GM try to force the party into marathons without hours-long rests, or do the adventure and the GM allow the characters to take hours-long rests at a generous rate? Are there any enemy types in particular favored by the adventure and the GM? How much do the adventure and the GM like battles against plenty of enemies vs. battles against singular bosses? How difficult are battles generally going to be? How much do noncombat skills really matter under the adventure and the GM; and if they do matter, how generous are the adventure and the GM about letting players simply use whatever skills are highest on a character's sheet?All of the above, and more questions still, are significant factors that determine what the most effective builds and tactics are in any given campaign. Again, this applies not just to Pathfinder 2e, but to any RPG with tactical combat.
>>94385754A major caveat here is that, generally, the only way to figure out the answers to the above questions is to actually play the adventure and under the GM for a while. I once played a one-on-one Pathfinder 2e campaign that started in June 2022 and ended in December 2023, starting at 6th level, and ending at 20th level with the elite adjustment. The party was initially two Strength melee reach fighters, a house-rule-upgraded gunslinger, and a support bard. Eventually, I figured that the house rules were insufficient for the gunslinger, so I swapped that PC to a bow fighter and got better results. Further down the line, I realized that the GM's style just was not that friendly towards casters, and so swapped the bard for a rogue, again improving the party's performance all the way to 20th. It sounds preposterous for three fighters to swap out a bard for a rogue, but in this adventure, under this GM, it was the right move.In some other campaign, I might have had a caster spam Wall of Ice/Stone, for example.
>>94385757Also, the melee reach fighters were eventually respecced into Double Slice fighters, because reach was being obsoleted.
>>94385754The most important variable is all the other players, not just the GM. >>94385757Your example of a one-on-one game sidestepped the entire issue.
>>94385792>The most important variable is all the other players, not just the GM.Yes, another good point.
If my players decided to go on a 4-day-minimum journey out of town instead of investigating something that an NPC literally told them they should probably check out, I’m not being a dick and taking away their agency by having some negative shit happen back at town that they’re currently unable to prevent, right? They made a choice and that choice has consequences, can’t save everyone etc etc right?
>>94388699No, you aren't being a dick. But I will highly suggest don't just kill the NPC. It's far more interesting to either have them captured, critically injured, or altered in some way that creates more story moments. Death ends more than it opens.If its an attack against the town itself, downgrade some of the facilities for a bit.
>>94388699>>94388723To elaborate on what’s going on, the players were basically arguing with four farmers (who are actually skinwalker cultists disguised as the farmers, the real farmers are currently skinless ghouls locked in the farmhouse cellar) and the “farmers” spun some story about taking orders from some other big bad (true) out of fear for their own lives (not true) and the players didn’t challenge them on their story, so the town sheriff took the “farmers” into protective custody and the players left town, meaning they didn’t uncover the secret at the farm, and the cultists now have the sheriff alone and will thereby be able to replace him with another cultist imposter and give themselves a major foothold in the town’s power hierarchy. I feel like that’s a reasonable consequence, I’m just worried about them going “wtf we had no way of knowing that would happen!”
>>94388747Just make sure you walk through their perspective and make sure that you made it clear something suspicious was happening that they chose not to investigate. I think evil characters plotting and moving on their plot is an evil thing for them to do and the more evil they do the easier it will get to notice so if this is like the first time it came up it makes sense they'd moss it but maybe when they get back it's a lot more clear that something is wrong.
>Because quickened has its effect at the start of your turn, you don't immediately gain actions if you become quickened during your turnpf2 quickened https://2e.aonprd.com/Conditions.aspx?ID=89is there a particular edge case or exploit this is covering?
>>94388839I think this is just for simplicity's sake and to make supportive Haste effects more useful than trying to use it on yourself.
>>94388839Nope.But it is handy for pointing out that when creatures become stunned on their turn, their turn immediately ends as they can no longer act, and the stunned condition is only reduced at the start of a turn when actions are gained per slowed and quickened.
>>94388839this is retarded and I've never followed this if someone hastes themselves they get the quickened action immediately
>>94389414tbf there are sources of quickened that work like that or they don't function. Clockwork Celerity only quickens you until the end of the current turn, for example. If you used it RAW then it would just do nothing.
>>94389470Clockwork celerity works specifically because it is a free action with the trigger your turn begins.You then resolve the activity before gaining your actions.Same as becoming stunned 1 when you violent unleash as a psychic.The trigger is unleash, and unleash is triggered when your turn begins.
Does Divine Mysteries have all the weapons removed?
>>94367775You're looking for the Dwarves, anon. Paizo rightfully recognized that the only people who're ever going to play Dwarves are the types of stodgy traditionalists they otherwise don't like in their games, so they made the Dwarven pantheon into a surprisingly based family with a Patriarch/Matriarch and their many children. One of their sons is a prancing la-la homo-man as you said, but hey, every family's got that one.
>>94393795>Paizo rightfully recognized that the only people who're ever going to play Dwarves are the types of stodgy traditionalists they otherwise don't like in their games>Torag>Only worshiped by DwarvesThe Dwarven Pantheon is very popular among Ulfen and Taldan, the two most euro-coded ethnic groups in Golarion. Since Torag is also huge on metallurgy and craftsmanship, being some sorta heavily-armed Paladin is par for the course with him.
Super late but>>94336412Does Greater Esoteric Casting make you pick one? Or does it affect both if you took both? If it's the latter, it's at least not objectively worse than a casting dedication in every way, even if it's mid.
does 2E have Bleachling rules yet? I wanna play one who is a cleric of Pharasma
>>94397241No. What rules does it need?
What's the best 2e class for the time mage archetype? It seems to suit wizards pretty well.
>>94399504I'd just write a wizard school for it rather than take the archetype as a wizard.It seems like it'd be good on animist because animist has pretty limited focus spells but also can have a time theme by itself.
Very late reply to both of these (I don't check this general that often), but:>>94381511We had an anon leaking most of the content a couple threads ago. Check one of the 3rd-party archivers if the threads aren't up anymore. All the mechanics in it got posted, to my knowledge.>>94381518If you haven't seen the postmortem blog, the QRD is that it's staying about the same, but master tactics are getting a 10min cooldown and legendary tactics are keeping the 1/day cooldown, and the banner trait is getting reworded but not being changed in function.>>94397091You pick one. I'd note that unlike most casting archetypes, it doesn't have a skill requirement (not that investigator has a hard time meeting those).They also fucked up and it gives you the 5th-rank slot immediately at 12th and the 6th-rank slot at 14th, but I wouldn't bet on GMs running it this way.Overall I do think it's worse than the typical spellcasting archetype.
2e's Lover's Gloves feel like they are listed at a weird level to me. As a level 8 item, anyone wanting a +1 diplomacy item has long since already got one and with +2 items next level, it feels like a waste. With it not even having a greater version, I don't see why Paizo didn't just make it a level 9 +2 item and adjust the price accordingly.
My group is fighting an Upasunda Asura and our Spellslinger Magus just got a crit that I then negated with the Asura's Deflect Arrows feat which may have put a damper on the session for the group.Am I a bad GM?
1eAs full monk without counting magic equipment (because it's rolled) how the fuck can I ignore fall damage and prone from my own jumps???
Would you say the Wild Mimic dedication works well with a flurry style melee Ranger with a pet? Or is it more of a meme dedication?
my alchemist was a little too effective with blessed one so I swapped to clawdancer
>>94403454I'd say that its synergy is very limited. Wild Mimic isn't a bad dedication (assuming you can actually access its feats), but a lot of its feats either won't work with your typical Flurry Ranger or get in the way of your Flurry Edge. Wild Mimic Lore, which you get from the dedication itself, is good, but it's notably worse than the Monster Hunter feat chain, which you have access to as a ranger. Instead of the Wild Mimic's gimmick of needing to use Lore (an int-based skill) but having to level up Nature (a wis-based skill), Master Monster Hunter allows you to just identify all creatures with Nature checks instead, and you can actually use it a Legendary proficiency, while Wild Mimic Lore is stuck at Expert. Plus you get to make Monster Hunter checks whenever you Hunt Prey, which saves you an action. It does require two feats, though, and one of them is level ten, so I guess there's a trade-off there. If you're playing a 1-10 AP Monster Hunter might as well not exist.The rest of the dedication suffers in two general ways. The first one is that it gets in the way of Flurry Edge. The thing about Flurry rangers is that their edge benefit is back-loaded. See, if you take a look at Precision Edge, you'll notice that, for most of the game, a Precision ranger gets the entire benefit on their very first Strike each round. They'll usually make a second Strike, but aren't very incentivized to make a third (since it's likely to miss). Flurry rangers are the opposite. You gain no benefit on your first Strike each round, you become equivalent to characters with Legendary attack scaling on your second Strike each round, and you only become best-in-class on your third Strike or more. This means that a Flurry ranger is extremely incentivized to attack three or more times each turn.
Cont. >>94404263The thing about a lot of those Wild Mimic feats is that, as cool as they are, they take actions away from your Strikes, and if you want Flurry to be worth it, you basically need to spend every action you can on Strikes.The second way that Wild Mimic suffers is because a lot of those feats are stances which limit you to specific unarmed attacks. This isn't a problem for most characters, but Flurry rangers rely heavily on the Twin Takedown or Hunted Shot feats in order to access four Strikes per turn. Both of those feats require weapons. This basically rules out most of the animal-themed stances that Wild Mimic makes available to you unless, again, you're willing to give up the benefits that Flurry Edge affords you.If I was going Ranger with Wild Mimic, I'd probably just go Precision. It's a lot more forgiving, action-economy wise, and the fact that you don't need to spend every round slicing and dicing like a living blender means you'll actually have some leeway to use some of those cool Wild Mimic abilities.
>>943984911E had rules for them
>>94404273I don't see anything except swapping some traits.2e does that baseline with ancestry feats.
>>94404263>>94404265I see. Very much obliged for the insight. Asking mainly because our group is newish to Pathfinder 2e and just finished Troubles in Otari. We're just starting up Kingmaker and finished the Prologue feast and aftermath, which is why I wanted to know if it was worth it for the long haul. Are there any other dedications that have better synergy?
>>94404299No problem--I don't know how much I want to assault you with optimization talk here, but off the top of my head there are a couple of things that Flurry emphasizes. >Bonuses to your StrikesAnything that applies to all your Strikes is golden for you, because you're the build that makes more of them than anyone else. >Passive bonusesMore than other characters, passive bonuses are huge for you. Some classes might struggle to find ways to usefully use their third action each round, but you have the opposite problem. You want to use every action you possibly can murdering things. Any bonus you can get ahold of without spending an action is fantastic.I'm also kind of assuming you're melee here, and if that's the case, there's one feat you almost certainly want, and that's Double Slice. For most dual-wield characters, Double Slice is the centerpiece of the build. For most of your career, Double Slice + Twin Takedown is your ideal turn. You can access Double Slice from the Fighter Dedication or from Dual-Weapon Warrior, both of which have several goodies for you. I tend toward Dual-Weapon Warrior because it gets you Double Slice right off the bat as part of the dedication, and it has some of the higher-level fighter feats built into it later on.
Cont. >>94404397I'd also call Rogue Dedication a great pick. Sneak Attacker's bonus damage on every Strike is disproportionately useful for you, and Mobility allows you to approach enemies that have reach without wasting an action Stepping up to them (which means you have an extra action to stab them with). Later on, Gang Up helps to reduce your need to move even further by allowing you to flank without running behind an enemy, and Opportune Backstab is one of the most reliably-triggered Strike reactions in the game. Also, this might not be optimal, but I'm a big fan of Skill Mastery. I just like having characters with more skills.I also want to flag that, the opposite side of the coin for "Flurry rangers are really simple and all they do is Strike" is that you actually kind of have your whole build at a very low level. Grab Twin Takedown and Double Slice and you're basically there. All you're doing is Striking anyway, so you've got a little bit of wiggle room for "fun" dedications. There's not necessarily anything game-breaking about Wild Mimic (aside from those stances, which actually do kill your attack rotation), so if it sounds fun to be able to break out those abilities every once in a while you're not, like, feat-starved enough that it'll ruin your build. You could go for it if you wanted it.
>>94404397>>94404399The rogue idea seems alright, though wouldn't my attack penalty with the Double Slice + Twin Takedown even with Hunt Prey be still pretty low?
>>94404472You're right that your attacks at the end of your turn are your least likely to hit, but it's not as bad as you think. To put it in perspective, a Flurry ranger's third+ attacks have the same penalty as most characters' second attack does. That's the main selling point of Flurry Edge. You're one of, like, two character builds that can actually spend their whole turn attacking without whiffing half of them. For most other characters, attacks after the second are very likely to miss, but you're free to go ham on people. Eventually you'll get Impossible Flurry and be making six attacks each round. To put it another way, if you're going Flurry and NOT spending your whole turn attacking, you'd probably get more mileage out of Precision.
So what's the verdict on animist? Is it any good or do the weakass focus spells bury it?
>>94405301The thing about having dog focus spells is you can just prepare a spirit with better focus spells on another day.The versatility is nice and it gets to make heal and harm spontaneous.Worth playing if you're bored of cleric and the campaign you're in is confirmed for a spirit theme.Or maybe if you're in some weird atheistic setting.Or playing the gish spirit if you're sick of magus.
>>94404217I forgive you, anon.
>>94402706The monk has Slow Fall for a reason. It's pretty shit but that's because it is a class feature designed for a core martial.>without counting magic equipment (because it's rolled)Don't you have the possibility to sell the trash items? Playing a pure martial in conditions where you can't control your magic item supply is very punishing
>>94404263wild mimic lore also is like the least good omni-lore being able to only learn what powers a creature has not like what their saves are like or weaknesses
>>94405962Slow fall doesn't work if you aren't next to a wall for the entirety of the fall, and this doesn't happen specially when I jump. It feels weird that jumping can cripple like thatAs for the items not always we can even sell them because not every town accepts expensive stuff not everyone can buy. GM tried to make a "realistic market world" but it hinders us a lot, at least he plans encounter with that into account (not assuming we have our level in gold) but some stuff like me not able to use my own features and not being able to counter it with magic items sucks
For Lost Omens setting books how accurate are the maps when it comes to actual cities and not just thought up whatever villages and backwater farmhouses? like, surely lingshen isn't like only 3 cities, one of them being the capital right? Kinda struggling for hooks since from Goka to Shenmen it seems to just be a boring ass flat land with giant fields of literally nothing
>>94405301it grows even more complex than usual caster as you gain additional apparitions online and you have giant ass repertoire with divine options for evergreen stuff, pretty backloaded in general as most things in WoI honestly. It's focus damage was pretty gutted unless you are allowed to play a turret and even then it robs you of the occasional spellshape with extra effect over other casters. It's healing is still good outside of combat while freeing up your skill increases by not taking medicine.
>>94408144>GM tried to make a "realistic market world"That makes about as much sense as a "realistic XP world" in pathfinder, unfortunately.Some character concepts are worse off in specific campaigns. A cMonk is not something I'd play in a low-wealth game. >It feels weird that jumping can cripple like thatHalf of the time it feels like there's an underlying assumption that you don't take falling damage from jumping. If I have the leg strength to jump 40 ft up in the air I should have the leg strength to catch myself from crashing as well. But RAW is RAW.Anywho, you only start taking falling damage at +19 ft. And only land prone at +29 ft. Unless you have one of the abilities to treat high jumps as long jumps you're not likely to break the DC 120 barrier anytime soon. And Boots of the Cat are only 1,000 GP.
>>94408388Pretty sure you fall prone if you fall from 20ft though (you ignore the first 10ft with acrobatics and take the next 10ft as non lethal damage but as long as you take damage you fall prone) that means 80ft long jumps which btw I can. Also I'm playing umonk not that matters, neither can do shit against falling in actual gameEven if the item were only 50gp, it's rolled. The only common stuff are items that give flat bonuses (armors/weapons) so they have better chances on his tablesAnyone thanks for the replies
>>94405301>weakass focus spellsJust don't pick the bad spells/apparitions, dummy.
>>94408438you're still in the clear. The rule is that you fall prone if you take LETHAL damage>Creatures that take lethal damage from a fall land in a prone position.
Hey, need some help for world building a homebrew setting. So I'm going to be running a mythic campaign using kingmaker building rules( or something else if i think its too crap.) And i need help populating my setting with noble houses. The party is going to be a bunch of prisoners from the main continent, galderia sent to ukrabat after Eastern galderia become more aggresive towards the other regions. Part of the places traditions is that most major noble houses rule over a certain sector or industry and would send their heirs to fight for to death if they wanted steal an industry. I already had an idea for four, two from eastern galderia, who ruled cavalry and gunpowder. And two from southern Galderia, who ruled alchemy and metallurgy.
>>94409711I'd make it two tiers.A weak or maybe small aristocracy with a small number of 'heroes' and large but pretty flat network of guilds that control trades.That makes it more unstable and reasonable that some sort of drastic power shift would take place necessitating the players take action.
>>94409779That is a good idea. I already had an idea for what caused the power shift on tge continent, it was a mercenary company called the band of the white lion encrusting itself into eastern Galderia's leadership, gradually supplanting its military until every major player was either dead, a puppet or on it's payroll. Culminating with it emboldening attacks on other regions and nations. I was mainly having trouble with coming up with relevant sectors for a noble house to control.
>>94409906Yeah, that's because nobles historically and in fiction generally don't stoop to managing trades.I would just have the houses be responsible for military matters, and then have them manipulate or favor with the guilds through contracts and tariffs.And then the guilds are set against one another as a divide and conquer thing, and it opens them up thematically.Your idea is good but I would just have them usurp a weak aristocracy and start doing very ignoble things with the support of a few guilds, so open war is out of the question. Land grabs and illegal blockades for example.
>>94408531Oh well stupid me thenThen I have a few more levels before this shit catches me (by the time I jump 120ft) will ask then
>>94410230I remember in 3.5 there were epic rules, there if you rolled 25 on tumble you could ignore 20ft, if you rolled 35 then it was 40ft and so on. It was free, I don't know if 1pp pathfinder has anything similar.
>>94405301I tinkered a little with its mechanics and got divided between Liturgist and Medium.But Liturgist gets the cake because of Elf Step, that comes online at level 9, same level Liturgist gets the benefit of Sustaining with a step.You cast a Focus spell, switch apparitions and cast another focus spell, from now on, its just elf step and murder. You can use this for one of the various battle forms plus the combat bonuses of witness of ancient battles, or just get a good reach martial weapon and use witness of ancient battle and the mirror image apparition.
>>94410230Take cat's fall feat if you can't grab cat boots. Is not a good feat but when live give you lemons...
Is there a spell that deals damage, specifically to clothes, of a magnitude large enough to destroy those clothes, but without harming the creature wearing them?I want to spontaneously denude people because it would be very funny
>PF2eFirst time playing a Cleric, is this a good build?>RaceHuman>DoctrineWarpriest>DeityAnubis (FW Flail, DF Heal or Harm)>Divine Font Heal>StatsSTR +3, DEX 0, CON +1, INT +1, WIS +4, CHA 0>Feats1 Domain Initiate (Protection) [Protector's Sacrifice]2 Versatile Font4 Channel Smite6 Bastion Dedication (Reactive Shield)8 Advanced Domain (Protection) [Protector's Sphere]10 Emblazon Armament (for shield)12 Emblazon Antimagic (for shield)14 Channeling Block16 Quick Shield Block (from Bastion archetype)18 Inviolable20 Avatar's Protection>NotesI'd get proficiency in heavy armor through the general feat, as the only benefit Warpriest's Armor has over this is the bulk decrease, which is meh
>>94415124Don't plan to 20, plan to like 6 with your generals, skill bumps and stat boosts.You'd be very surprised the number of times I have said to players 'you're encumbered' so don't discount a bulk drop, particularly in a party of dexfags who can't carry so much as a tune.You don't really want versatile font at all even with smite, just prepare low rank harms in your dead slots.The action economy of slots that aren't your highest or 2nd highest rank is usually so poor that anything goes, but channel smite sort of inverts that so you can stuff them with harms.I think if you don't take that one feat zealous rush you'll be so choked for actions that you'll be just a caster casting wall of stone and cantrips.And then I think if you're preparing any rank of harm regularly, cast down is a must have, prone is surprisingly strong.Lastly ensure you're sanctified holy. There's a cleric in my kingmaker game who didn't and you can hear the anguish when I tell him he doesn't trigger the weakness on leukodaemons despite handing out infuse vitality.
>trying to plan out a kind of tribal hunter/warrior character>settle on Ranger eventually because I'm already playing a Fighter and don't feel like building another>character would really fit better as a Flurry edge but sitting around a full round attacking looks boring>precision edge doesn't look very interestingHow is Outwit? Being able to hand out the Edge bonuses to other members of the party later on seems like a neat trick but I'm not really sure yet what I'd actually be doing in combat. I was thinking about taking Winged Warrior as my Free Archetype since the PC will be starting with a fly speed.
>>94415432It's not...great?The bonuses are actually pretty neat but I don't think Ranger is the best user of them. Stealth bonus means you Hide better but only against your Hunted Prey and you don't have Sneak Attack. Deception/Feint is fun but you got Swashbuckler or Rogue for that. The AC bonus is fun but you aren't a Champion, your AC is normal. And the Recall Knowledge bonus just isn't helpful with Investigator and Thaumaturge taking up that slot.It's like...the pieces are there to have quite a bit of fun and be a good support member (Monster Hunter is nice), but Outwit Ranger sits on the unfortunate position of being jack-of-all-trades, master of none. I do think it's the best pick for using Animal Companions for their support effects and benefits, at least. It does fit what your theme the best (unless you want to do Animist to go harder on the Tribal Theme).
ok help me out with a pathfinder 2e question. >a large creature wants to move through a 10x10 hallway>1 medium creature blocks the hallway on row 1>2 medium creatures block the hallway on row 2>since the creature is large, can it "squeeze" past the first creature as difficult terrain, and then tumble though only 1 character in the second row, as greater difficult terrain?>or, does the large creature need to tumble through all 3 creatures?i know this is a weirdly contrived example, but it seems like being large doesnt really have much of a restraint on where you can actually go, other than imposing difficult terrain. the squeezing down to a 5v5 square is the weird part to me>bro what the fuck is a 999 second timer to post on this board without email verification are you kidding this is 4chan are the bots really this bad
>>94415481They just need to Tumble Through one dude, assuming they have the Movement Speed to move through everyone. And Difficult Terrain doesn't stack (there are no rules about that), it would still be Difficult Terrain. >>bro what the fuck is a 999 second timer to post on this board without email verification are you kidding this is 4chan are the bots really this badIt was implemented a couple weeks ago, you just need to lurk a board for 15 minutes before being allowed to post there.
>>94415551got it. thanks. there is in fact greater difficult terrain, but stacking difficult terrain does not amount to greater?
>>94415213>don't discount a bulk dropI could equip my Phantasmal Minion (1st level Anubis spell) with a backpack, effectively increasing my bulk limit by 3, so encumbrance won't be that big of an issue. I also plan on taking the Hefty Hauler feat>just prepare low rank harms in your dead slotsI could do that, but then Channel Smite would lose a considerable amount of damage because Harm heightens every level. It might be worth it to retrain Versatile Font at higher levels however>if you don't take that one feat zealous rush you'll be so choked for actionsI tried to avoid taking any other reaction feats because they compete with Shield Block, Reactive Shield and Avatar's Protection. In fact, the main reason why i took the Bastion Archetype is to be able to sustain Protector's Sphere, cast a 2-action heal or Channel Smite, raise shield and shield block all in the same round>I think if you're preparing any rank of harm regularly, cast down is a must haveIt's a great feat but IMO not as important for this build as Flails have the Trip trait and a critical specialization effect that knocks the target prone. I also think all of the other feats i've chosen are more important for what i'm trying to achieve than Cast Down. I'd like to get it but you only have 11 choices :(>ensure you're sanctified holyI am, just forgot to include it in my last post
>>94415465We don't have a Thaum or Investigator so it's not really an issue of stepping on their toes or vice versa (although I do wish the Investigator player would come back). Although Recall Knowledge has been helpful all of... never this campaign. Most of our enemies are normal bandits or the like, and the last time RK might have helped we just killed the fuck out of them and called it a day (after failing a couple checks anyway). I'm looking at the Edge bonus to AC and effects from Monster Hunter as the main draw. The main thing that trips me up is that Outwit feels... MAD as fuck. >Deception and Intimidation what CHA>RK is an INT thing mostly>sneaking is DEX and I kinda want DEX for some homebrew guns anyway>I hate dumping WIS because of Perception and my GM loves Perception rolls>and outside of RK INT is a completely dead scoreSo I guess I just forget about STR? Which I don't really want to do because I'm planning on taking Winged Warrior and want Wing Bounce. I get STR from my ancestry but I'm not sure how high it really needs to be to keep up with the various DCs for Athletic maneuvers. I guess the other option would be mostly ignoring CHA and either relying on the Edge bonus for the rare occasion I want to use my third action to Demoralize something. We do already have a party face (and she's a Bard so Dirge is on the table). Somehow I'm always horribly annoyed when picking my ability scores in PF2e.
>>94415659>my GM loves Perception rollsThat is so annoying. The worst is when the GM asks for a Perception check for noticing things that real-life me would succeed at noticing 100 out of 100 times
>>94415714I was playing an Inventor at first. It was awful. My dude was supposed to be a pretty experienced soldier and I was blind as a fucking bat during exploration. Just swapping to Fighter doubled my Perception bonus (and more than doubled my Initiative).
>>94415659Well, it's not that Outwit is MAD, it's that you're doing both ranged weapons and combat maneuvers. Generally speaking, the highest priority in character creation is to maximize the stat you'll be using to hit things, and you've got two of them. Dex for your gun, and strength for Wing Bounce. From where I'm standing that doesn't leave you much choice but to spend all of your ability boosts on dex and strength. This isn't all bad, since firearms at least reward pumping strength by allowing you to access Kickback weapons and Large Bore Modifications.Two additional points here: one, the main benefit of Monster Hunter is that, eventually, it allows you to ditch intelligence entirely and turns your creature identification checks into a purely wis-based activity. Most people just put up with flubbing their arcana and occult knowledge rolls until then--it's hardly worth spending ability score boosts into a stat you're investing at least two feats into ignoring. Point two, you can only have so many gimmicks. How important is succeeding at feints and demoralize? How often are you actually going to be doing it? Often enough to reallocate points from your two main offensive stats? I think it's safe to leave cha and int at 10.With that said, the spread I'd use is:Dex: 18Str: 16Con: 12Int: 10Wis: 12Cha: 10The main pain point here is that you've got completely average wisdom, which kind of sucks for a guy who's going to be making recall knowledge checks with it every round. But hey, Monster Hunter helps to make up for that by allowing you to rank up a single proficiency for all creature types and by letting you dump int. You'll still be better at creature identification than most people.If you were willing to enter enter melee or ditch Wing Bounce you could dump dex or strength respectively, which would give you a bunch more points to put towards wisdom. It's just a matter of what matters more to you.Oh, and note: you can ignore your ancestry boosts.
>>94415855I might go with a 16/16 split on STR and DEX so I can put the extra point in WIS. The party is currently at level 8, so with the level 5 boosts I'm still on target to hit with either stat, and due to some campaign stuff we actually have the capability to pay for a limited number of extra stat boosts with money. With how the GM has been handling gear and treasure so far, they should be pretty within reach for my PC should the opportunity to play him ever actually come up. So if the character joined the party right now>STR, WIS, DEX from ancestry>DEX, STR from background>STR, DEX, WIS, CON from boosts>STR key stat>boost STR, WIS, CON, DEX at 5>STR: 19>DEX: 18>WIS: 14>CON: 14Seems fine I guess. I forgot my ancestry was 3 boosts and a flaw, but the GM has ruled for us to not use flaws. That smooths things out quite a bit actually. I could even go for 16 WIS if I really wanted.>Point two, you can only have so many gimmicks.True. I just see the long list of bonuses on the Edge and immediately want to chase all of them because my eyes are bigger than my stomach. The narrow focus of Pathfinder characters tends to trip me up pretty badly desu. I actually like playing versatile, jack-of-all trade type characters but it's very hard to build something reasonably competent in a wide scope of stuff in PF2e due to how anal the system is about it's math and Paizo's everlasting insistence on placing ribbon feats right next to combat bonuses. >Monster Hunter helps to make up for that by allowing you to rank up a single proficiency for all creature types and by letting you dump int.I'd managed to completely read past this earlier. Thanks for pointing that out. >Oh, and note: you can ignore your ancestry boosts.Yeah... but I really don't like doing that sort of thing. Especially since the GM is already letting us ignore our race flaw. I think race/ancestry bonuses are cool and I'm actually annoyed with the current trend of watering them down.
I'm running beginners box since I can fit it nicely into a homebrew I am working on. We are nearing the end and my players enslaved a Kobold by absolutely slaughtering the encounter and doing extremely well on a diplomacy check. The problem I have is that they seem to want to use him as an NPC in combat. It seems like a stupid idea because as far as I know hirelings have little to no rules in combat.Instead I'm thinking of using this as an opportunity to get into the Leadership subsystem, which was inevitably going to happen anyway. How much headache am I saving myself from by not turning an impromptu hook into a stupid NPC destined for death?
>>94415124get your dex to +1, you need to to least wear breastplate at level 1. Dex still contributes to Reflex save.
Just saw the Humble Bundle and thought about picking it up, but I'm not sure if I get the Beginner Box or any content for Foundry as well since I'm mainly GMing there. Does anyone who have purchased the current bundle could confirm?
>>94415582Those are all a bit reasonable.But the sustain thing is another weak point I think, again you just don't have enough actions. I'm not convinced the focus spells are worthwhile at all.You will probably want zealous rush regardless just because getting an extra stride will be the difference between life and death at some point for somebody, particularly as a cleric.And flail crit spec and trip is not reliable at all. Cast down is nuts because even if the opponent succeeds they still fall prone, and you can cast it on fliers.You'd likely want to have and use both as the opportunities present themselves, especially if you're with players who have reactive strikers.The last thing I would say is, don't care so much about damage. Damage will happen if everyone just makes their basic strikes for the round. Be very concerned with being able to control enemies and deny actions. You will eventually get to the point where trying to damage race encounters without any control is an automatic tpk just because stat checking doesn't work in late mid tier; everything has too much health, their defenses are too high, they have too many ways to control you for free.Or at the very least, being able to frantically expend heals while you all puzzle the encounter out is going to keep you in the game. So preparing harm for channel smite in relevant slots unless you have another healer at the table? Bad idea.
>Tranny colours in Desna's star of the Radiant Prism logoWhat did Paizo mean by this?
For a Barbarian dedication trying to reduce action cost to rage, what are thoughts on getting the Instinct Crown at 10th level for free rage 1/day versus taking Wounded Rage as a feat at 8th level and using Collar of the Shifting Spider with mutagens to trigger the reaction every initiative?
>>94420057Collar working is questionable since technically you don't have reactions until your first turn begins.That's why all the initiative triggers are free actions.Crown seems reliable.
>>94418001I actually agree that from a pure min-max perspective Cast Down + Zealous Rush is probably better than the Protection Domain spells, but i just love their concept and wanted to build a character around them (especially Protector's Sphere). Basically, if the build is solid i'm satisfied. I was just worried it might turn out to be complete dogshit, but even then i can hopefully fix that by retraining later
>>94417925I'm fairly certain there is no foundry assets in the bundle. I didn't dig through all of it since I was just looking to buy some of the pdfs anyways, but the map packs they included might end up getting thrown into my campaign to save time. Sometimes foundry is real fun for the immersive and noteable animation stuff and streamlined mechanics, but also my players know this is designed as a tabletop game and not a video game so the more theatre of the mind stuff we do the better anyways because it's true to form.
>>94420644Foundry isn't for me, I end up doing about the same amount of prep time weekly wrangling a shiny new feature or something that interests me enough to try out. Foundry is for my players who can't remember what a High Jump does or how many dice they roll for damage without consulting their sheet, gamifying the controls is the best thing thats ever happened for my table.
>>94420121I see, thank you for reminding me. It looks like reactions before the first turn are explicitly given to GM discretion. So it also seems reasonable to ask the GM what circumstances if any they'd allow Wounded Rage as a reaction before first acting in combat. But agreed, the Crown is straightforward and unfussy, thanks.
So if I don't mistake creed of lamashtu antipal declares that he needs to rape every woman/man?
>Tanuki>Rolling white bottle form>Nimble crawl>Kip upSo for the cost of one action to drop prone and a reaction, I get to step for double my stride speed. Sort of; drop prone would still provoke reactive strikes if you used it in range of an enemy. Not the greatest tech in the world but it's not bad if you're not someone that's leaning heavily on their reaction like a reactive strike martial or champion.
>>94421812Tanuki is actually incredibly cool and funny, probably the best ancestry they have added in a while and I am so mad I didn't know about it when I made my last character
>>94421908Yeah, I really like them. Nothing super powerful but they have ancestry feats that actually do things for you that are interesting, introduce an element of risk and reward and interact with other systems.
>>94421812>>94421908It's not a powerhouse like Human, Elf or Automaton, but it has SOVL and you can still build around the racial feats to get plenty out of them.E.g., Rogue gets a lot of infiltration tools from all the different forms and can also Religion RK with False Priest Form (you *are* increase Deception, right?)
>>94421970I decided for a one shot recently to play a tanuki false priest rogue who pretended to be a cleric of pharasma (which is why he used a dagger) but I was actually just a thief rogue with medic dedication and I bought a shitload of scrolls of heal
>want to play a Strix>all of my racial feats have to go to flight, not the actually interesting ancestry feats>the 13 feat is bad>there is no 17 featThis kinda shit drives me up the wall, dude.
>>94422451It's neat that they gave limited flight at 1st level, but kneecapping flight at max 35 feet at level 13 is stupid. Strix Vengeance on a Flurry Ranger feels good, though.
>be me, running season of ghosts this week>look for material from people who ran it in the past for the regular tips and tricks>look up some youtube vod>the guys spend a solid 50 minutes introducing their characters>in a campaign that dictates that your background is a village bumpking or maybe some weird traveller who stumbled into the townGod, I hate storyshitters.
>>94416893So they want to force a creature, whose friends they just butchered, and they coerced into following them from a good roll? With how the degrees of success for attitude works, even with a critical success we're only looking at the little fella going from hostile to indifferent.He's not going to fight for them, hell he might try to run and/or steal some of their stuff or even kill someone in their sleep if he gets mistreated.
>>94417925As the other anon said, nothing in that bundle includes a foundry code. Which is really odd since the foundry version of The Beginner Box was automatically upgraded to the Remaster changes.
>>94423288They didn't coerce him from just a good roll, they turned what was supposed to be difficult encounter into a cake walk, brutally murdering everyone.I did however cover my ass and make it clear through RP that he is only willing to follow because he is deathly afraid of them but the problem is that they actually do treat him well, almost too well. I established that his boss was a dangerous jerk and so they simply>waltzed in>slapped seven shades of shit out of this tough-as-nails hardass>proclaimed their new "friend" to be the boss>gave him a crown and called him a kingThese retards are pledging allegiance to their own slave.So now due to a little RPing as a pathetic cretin, the party has become obsessed with this ORDINARY KOBOLD and should he ever escape the entire game is going off the rails because they can and they will go on a rescue mission (read: manhunt).The kobold is stuck with his yandere-harem. At least he is a king.
>>94420644>>94423304I see, thanks for the info. I might skip this bundle then.
The Starfinder 2e playtest's 12th-level Cloaking Skin is probably too good.I have had a look at the Starfinder 2e playtest's higher-level monsters in Wheel of Monsters and Empires Devoured. Absolutely none of them have a precise alternate sense. Only two of them have Truesight, and one of them is a support caster rather than a primary attacker.The 12th-level Cloaking Skin, then, is a major debilitation against most of these enemies. Three times per day, for just a single action, the character gains 4th-rank Invisibility.The 13th-level party I am GMing for has 12th-level Cloaking Skin on all PCs, and the 13th-level party I am building to play likewise has 12th-level Cloaking Skin on all PCs. It is just far too effective.
>>94423643Maybe he can convince those idiots to get him a dragon.gtatg
>>94422753Pretty sure 35ft is faster than any other heritage to be fair. The awakened bird only gets to 25ft. My annoyance is that, if you want to fly, it's literally all you get. All the other feats that might lead to interesting interactions or flavor have to be discarded because otherwise you will just suck at flying and if you suck at flying then you might as well have taken the actually interesting feats to begin with.
>>94422753If you genuinely need more than 35ft of 3D movement an action, tell your GM to make smaller maps!>>94424364Flight is weird on a powerscaling idea because its insanely practical and basically like 4 different solutions tied into one (Vertical movement, trap navigation, skirmishing, reconnaissance). It kind of have to be pretty expensive on a feat level. I do agree it taking so much of your limited Ancestry Feat selection is pretty lame (remind me why Ancestry Paragon wasn't reprinted in GM Core's Variant Rules?) and I wouldn't mind more riders or RP effects when you get movement-based abilities, but I also wouldn't know much that would be competitive to take over raw flight.>>94423643I don't know what is it about NPC kobolds and players wanting to become immediate slave owners with them. There has to be some insane player psychology going at on, you aren't alone in having a party just kidnap one for the group and make them a mascot.
>>94423643>>94424987Yeah I started reading this story and wondered if you were one of the players in my current party. We basically got 3 kobolds out of the beginner box and put them to work as fishermen and security for our base of operations outside Otari. It's more of a cute flavor thing than gameplay but later in the game we came across more Kobolds from a different tribe and a couple of the players were like "oh look its more friends to recruit" and it lead to a series of kidnappings and violence. The players and GM were completely on different wavelengths but only when it comes to Kobolds. I don't know why.
>>94424987>(remind me why Ancestry Paragon wasn't reprinted in GM Core's Variant Rules?) no idea, but my group still uses it and I don't think it breaks anything.
>>94367656Relatively new GM (year and a half experience). If I want to buy Divine Mysteries, should I also have Gods and Magic or does Divine Mysteries make Gods and Magic irrelevant?
>>94426678Divine Mysteries is essentially a massive reprint of Gods & Magic and Lost Omens: Legends as well. There is no need to pick up those books unless the original 2019 lore in G&M is relevant to your interests.
God will never forgive Paizo for the PF2e mounted combat rules.
>>94427326It really not that bad, its two sour spots are how rough the Jousting trait is and the Medium w/ Reach Weapon + Large Creature =/= 15ft Reach balancing decision. Everything else works pretty well. Simple, gives you a defense boost, keeps your mount relevant.
What mass combat rules have you all successfully utilized? 1e or 2e
Pf2e society games are popping up near me.Do GMs actually care about the needing to own the book to use class/character options rule.
>>94427706Ask, nobody here will be able to read their minds.
>Lamashtu's blessing has you give birth to monstersis Paizo starting to remove the corner foam protectors?
Paizo, have Rival Academies make wizards not be shit or Arcane having actually good unique spells in it's tradition and my soul is yours
>>94427706yes, PF2E society games are partnered/organized so they are anal about everythingdont do it, they honestly fucking suck
>>94427706>>94428793Wait, what? Really?? They release the rules completely for free but you're expected to buy all the fucking books for their adventure league knock-off?
>>94424987I'm mostly just annoyed because stuff like Strix Vengeance and Ferocious Gust look fun, but I'm going Winged Warrior so I do absolutely need flight. >Flight is weird on a powerscaling idea because its insanely practical and basically like 4 different solutions tied into oneI did notice that while looking at Skill feats. >do I need anything for Acrobatics? Well, no... I'll be able to fly and Arrest a Fall without a fail chance. >Do I need anything from Athletics? Well, Titan Wrestler will be good but all the rest of these are for climbing and stuff. >don't have to consider any of the Ranger's terrain features because I'll be flyingIt's obviously really nice if you take options that utilize it, but I'm not really convinced it's 'all of your ancestry feats' good. I think you could easily compress them down to two; have Fledgling Flight scale up at 5th level automatically and then have the 9th level feat scale up at 13. That keeps it a commitment but you still have the budget to pick up a reaction or some ribbon effects. desu I feel that way about a few of the racial feat chains. The Dragonblood heritage has like three or four features that are mutually exclusive even though they just aren't that stinkin' powerful. >No, you can't have a d6 tail attack AND a breath weapon of questionable utility. Think of the balance!I'm sure there's some very good and obscure reason as to why it's like this but good grief the feat system in PF2e can feel absolutely stifling.
>>94428852it's for dedicated PF2E gamers I have played several PFS games, it is not worth it because it's corporatized RAW games, no ifs, ands, or buts, and yeah it sucks
>>94429115It's a roleplaying GAME not a ROLEPLAYING game.
Has it genuinely been a decade since the last major published material on Numeria?
>>94430252Willing to bet that they will make something for it when they release SF2e. It's a good way to bring scifi classes and weapons to Golarion.
>>94427495Didn't try 2e rules but 1e's are just outright shit. After our GM forced them upon our game we then tested our party without using them and easily they gimp our characters by a 75%. There were combats that with mass combat rules were statistically impossible for us, but if we used normal rules against that number of monsters they were doable. Fuck mass combat, they simplify the encounter by weakening the party to absurd degreesReminded me to caravan rules from jade regent, in where if you use them you die if you use normal rules the combats are 10 times easier
>>94431726kinda sucks that all the pistols still suck in sf2 as they're all simple weapons so cucked magazine sizes and dice
Regarding sf2, how bad are explosives? I just wanna blow shit up and be mobile while doing so. Mines, grenades, granade launchers. Guess just rocket launchers and heavy armor options would be out?
Starfinder 2e playtest solarians get shortchanged by the default rules for starting wealth for higher-level characters, because they have to pick out their Potency crystal and Striking crystal separately. For example, a solarian starting off at 5th level has to spend both a 4th-level item and a 2nd-level item just to gain +1 Striking, whereas any other weapon-wielder would need to buy only a 4th-level item.>>94432311The grenade launchers and missile launchers have been very, very niche, if not useless, from my experience. The grenades can, sporadically, see play if someone has a free hand to spare. That is about it.
