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Ambush Edition

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>Previous thread:
>>94365513


>Thread Question
Are you that 40k crazed you think this period of no news is bad?
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40k is so over.
AoS chads are laffin at us
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>TQ
I'm used to my faction getting no love so this drought is nothing to me.
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>>94369611
>Are you that 40k crazed you think this period of no news is bad?
i haven't been paying attention
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>>94369611
most podels
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>>94369611
>TQ
Not *bad* per se, but I think most people would prefer some news to none at all. Even a sneak peak at some Guard or Eldar detachments, stratagems, etc. would be nice just to foster some discussion on here. I've noticed that without a somewhat steady stream of news this place quickly turns into a shithole, although obviously we have the election and its aftermath as a major contributor too.
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>>94369696
here's some tanks with improvisational havoc launchers bluetac'd on top
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>>94369611
Play 4th edition
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>>94369696
Nice khadron overlord.
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It's not like they're filling the empty release time with a bunch of content for their other games like AoS or Kill-Team. It's just a whole bunch of nothing releasing just before the holidays.
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>>94369717
Qt tonks
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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
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>>94369727
Why do they have crossbow pistols? Wasn't most of the empire pike-and-shot?
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>>94369746
Because they're groundmarines and need their own bolters.
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>>94369718
Who the fuck plays old shit?
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>>94369746
Marketability.
Also they're not really crossbows, they don't shoot bolts and they have no strings, they shoot little blasts of lightning.
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>>94369696
>most podels
working on some nobz so both my battlewagons have full tard bus complements but no pics of them yet
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>>94369746
Because giving the fantasy not-marines actual firearm pistols was too on the nose even for GW.
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>>94369746
They aren't the empire and their tech level has nothing to do with the empire
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>>94369762
They wouldn't even need to have the same silhouette as bolters. Whatever, stormcast are the lamest thing ever.
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Do primaris still not have drop pods?
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>>94369791
Primaris are so awesome that they just drop them from the battle barge into the atmosphere.
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>>94369791
I think someone at GW is keeping the primaris transition slowed to a crawl. That or GW decided that it is better to drip feed primaris updates to keep milking the marine-piggies.
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>>94369791
Yea right here didn't you play Space Marine 2?
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>>94369814
They used this? I thought they just crash the ships?
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>>94369824
I'm fucking around, they never deploy using it but on two separate occasions it's used as a glorified changing room for them to go back and forth on wearing jump packs. They never stay inside it, it never fires any of its weaponry, it's functionally like a drop pod delivering their equipment.
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>>94369840
It fires the rockets at a swarm stop being a full time hater
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>>94369696
Posted it at the end of the last thread but I'm going to play a game with this soon and I'm pretty excited for it
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>The White scars are heckin base-
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>>94369814
Does this thing have doors how do they get inside
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>>94369696
just got back into warhammer40k recently, these are my first painted minis
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>>94369864
You should do another coat on your base rims but nice bugs anon
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>>94369864
Hell yea behemoth

>the mold line
AIEEEE
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Has there ever been a lore explanation to why some space marine weaponry is space marine only? I get two handed weapons might be too heavy for mortal humans, but what about pistols?

Pic related made me think of such a question. Yes a third party resin seller is selling plasma pistols with the Cawl-Cylinder for imperial guardsmen.
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>>94369864
looks nice anon, though keep an eye on those mold lines for the next batch
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>>94369889
aside from scale issues there would also be rarity and maintenance issues
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>>94369889
What weapons do Marines get that other Imperial forces don't? Are we just talking aesthetics here or actual weapon types/systems?
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>>94369864
Did they not release new warriors?
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>>94369907
nah
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>>94369824
No, they just put three marines in a single thunderhawk.
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Genuinely, how do you stop sucking with melee armies? I play world eaters
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Retarded question: when are the christmas boxes releasing? Before or after thanksgiving?
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>>94369872
Thanks, gonna do it
>>94369873
>>94369898
Yeah just noticed when it was too late... going to cope and pretend they are veins on that one in particular
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>>94369902
>rarity and maintenance issues
Has this been explained in codexes or is it just a theory? It isn't a bad theory. I think it would fit nicely in 40k canon and not disrupt anything as far as I know.
>>94369904
Most of the Cawl pattern weapons.
>Are we just talking aesthetics here or actual weapon types/systems?
I'd say both to be honest. It is interesting that Cawl has focused solely on the marines and not on upgrading guard technology, but if I'm being honest I think it is nice that GW is containing Cawl autism to just marines and not having him upgrade the Imperial Guard Armory.
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>>94369922
Use cover. Screen. Purchase three wardogs.
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>>94369727
AOS is just straight up dead, anon. The new edition died within a month of its release. It flopped worse than Dominion. There's no reason to promote it any more.
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>>94369740
thanks muchly
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>>94369696
I am now aware that my DG will not fit in the box.
I have a squad of blightlords and all the pox walkers left. I will have them primed this weekend.
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>>94369931
It's mostly aesthetics. Like a primaris plasma pistol in rules is no different from a Guard plasma pistol. It's just bigger and has different aesthetics. We might as well ask why Marines don't have some of the Guard stuff, like inferno cannons, battle cannons, multi-lasers (shut the fuck up, Goto!), etc.
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>>94369933
I mean, fair. Karnivores? Or the ranged ones
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>>94369696
A Neophyte Hybrid I painted using the crew member of the rock grinder sprue
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>>94369963
500 Kroot hounds
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>>94369958
>We might as well ask why Marines don't have some of the Guard stuff, like inferno cannons, battle cannons, multi-lasers (shut the fuck up, Goto!), etc.
Would the marines benefit from using some of the weapons that the imperial guard utilizes?
>C.S. Goto
Ah yes. Remember the backflipping Terminator memes?
Is C.S. Goto's stuff non-canon at this point?
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>>94369968
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>>94369987
>Would the marines benefit from using some of the weapons that the imperial guard utilizes?
Would Guard benefit from Marines weapons?
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>>94369968
You will surely not regret purchasing 500 Kroot Hounds
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>>94369992
>Would Guard benefit from Marines weapons?
Not really because marine weapons are designed to be used by marines.
The guard weapons on the other hand can probably be better utilized by space marines. This is assuming that there are any guard weapons worth being used by space marines unless you want to homebrew something like pic related.

I wish I saved the other weapon edit shitposts. They made me giggle.
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>>94369992
In earlier editions they did, they were just heavy weapons. It added to the power and awe of space marines being able to physically lug around a plasma cannon on his shoulder, or a lascannon, which were either crew served weapons or vehicle mounted. Of course in the sloppafication of Space Marines becoming aspect warriors its all gone out the window. The actual lore reason is that anti-grav tech to make weapons even like bolters able to be wielded by a regular dude is incredibly rare and not used in mass production, nor do they have STCs for bolters to be used by a regular ass dude. Back in the day Guard officers and Space Marines used the same kind of pistol, just with modified grips. A bolt pistol for some commissar was fucking massive.
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>>94369696
taking a break from my Knight to work on repainting my CSM army. thinking they're going to be a Red Corsairs splinter warband.
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>>94370023
Nice. Brass and red is such a classic chaos look
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>>94369963
Brigands.
S12 -4ap melta. Make the enemy shit their pants.
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>>94369907
old warriors, new box
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>>94370008
>In earlier editions
As oppose to now?
>The actual lore reason is that anti-grav tech to make weapons even like bolters able to be wielded by a regular dude is incredibly rare and not used in mass production
No such lore exists. Suspensors are sometimes used by better equipped Guard for heavy weapons (according to Munitorum Manual), but one does not need anti-grav to use a bolter or bolt pistol.
>nor do they have STCs for bolters to be used by a regular ass dude.
Bolters we used by all sides during the Unification Wars. They were common weapons. It's why Custodes use bolters instead of, say, volkites, because volkites are Martian tech and the Emperor wanted Custodes to be independent from their meddling, so they used weapons available on Terra. You also got Hive gangs and such using bolters. IG veterans used to be able to buy up to 3 bolters.
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Drybrushing marine armor is a meme
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>>94369889
Space marine bolters are fucking huge. They need to be carried with both hands by ordinary humans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFj8sxwhLmo
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Will centurions get a Primaris update or get squatted next edition?
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>spend an entire day painting
>everything looks like shit
>spill black templar contrast on one of my minis
I can't take it anymore
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>>94370079
that's a human scale bolter, not a marine one
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>>94370094
Squatted, hopefully.
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>>94370094
Hopefully squatted.
Along with space marine scouts and reivers.
Scout units for an army that's whole deal is being the big boys in big power armour makes no sense to me.
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>>94369966
he's neat, i'm a big fan of how the extra dudes on the goliath kit are interchangeable with the parts in the neophytes kit
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>>94370106
Scouts just got new sculpts. They're not going anywhere.
Rievers were never well liked or particularly good.
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>>94369987
Yea. The stuff that's mounted on baneblades, vanquishers, valkyries, chimeras, hellhounds
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>>94370008
>Space Marines becoming aspect warriors its all gone out the window.
I don't play Eldar nor do I really think of Eldar. Where did this phrase of Space Marines becoming like "aspect warriors" come from and how?
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>>94370155
Small special weapon squads all armed identically. Elimimators, Hellblasters, and inceptors all come to mind immediately.
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>>94370155
Primaris squads all being blobs of mono-weapons rather than the flexibility of first-born. Hell-blasters, Eradicators, Desolation squads come to mind for this comparison.
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>>94370008
Don't give your bullshit "lore reasons" when you don't know.

Early Imperial Guard could carry lascannons and missile launchers on their shoulder like marines, though this was changed by 2nd edition.

The ACTUAL actual lore reason is "there have always been female Custodes". There was no explanation needed for why a human could carry a lascannon like a space marine, because space marines used to be more human-level in strength. As that changed the expectation guardsmen could solo carry changed.
Well after this change guardsmen were still able to carry bolters, plasma guns, meltaguns and flamers that were essentially the same as carried by marines- there was never a need for anti-grav suspensors or anything.
As of 10th guardsmen, as per lore, should still be able to carry a boltgun (as well as wield a bolt pistol properly) it's only the primaris specific guns that are unwieldy.
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>>94370168
better this way
ironic people pretend the old was preferred while also complaining about "schizo loadouts"
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>>94370111
Thanks anon. Yeah that's the idea, going to use the extra weapons on the neophytes sprue with the Goliath leftovers to build some options for a GSC gang in Necromunda
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>>94369611
>TQ
No, I just think going from September to January without any new codex when half of the factions still don't have theirs is a pretty ballsy move.
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>>94370172
You're dead wrong but thats okay, GW stocks rely on retards like you.
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>>94370183
>frogposter
thanks for admitting your opinions are worthless
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>>94370172
IIRC back I 5e you couldn't split targets when shooting so tactical squads were always pretty trash.
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>>94370198
they were, you fielded scouts over them every time
BUT MUH HECKIN SOVL THO
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>>94370172
Not only are you gay but you're also retarded. My condolences.
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Anyone kitbash anything good with the new solar auxilia?
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>>94370199
Why would you field scouts over tacs? Explain.
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>>94370224
Cheaper, so you can spend points on units that kill stuff.
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>>94370224
Troop tax. 5th was overall not very good for SM infantry. So you take the minimum, cheapest troops you could so you could have all the flashy shit. Its one of the reasons they got rid of force org since people bitched about their skew lists having to take a troop tax when they wanted more special units.
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>>94369696
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>>94370221
I bought the Solar Auxilia Leman Russ tank and made an etsy order for some sponsons. Does that count?

What should the 40k stats for the Storm Section Power Axe Auxilia be? I have a plan for just fitting a Cadian torso between the armoured bodies of the axe units and using a Cadian gas mask head for the conversion.
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I genuinely like 40k.
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>>94370245
No because I did that too.
Might be able to mostly finish them this weekend.
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>>94370248
Hey wait what game
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Name some video games where I can play chaos space marines.
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>>94370268
Void War
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>>94370262
>No because I did that too.
What specific sponson did you buy?
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>>94370262
Got a link to the sponsons, please?
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I think I have the perfect list

Black Templars Impulsor
marshall with Tannhauser's Bones and apothecary leading 5 prim sword brethren

Black Templars Impulsor
castellan Sigismund's Seal and apothecary leading 5 prim sword brethren

Black Templars Impulsor
castellan Witchseeker Bolts and apothecary leading 5 prim sword brethren

3x Invader ATV

Black Templars Repulsor Executioner
The Emperor’s Champion
Techmarine
Judiciar leading Bladeguard Veteran Squad

2x 5 intercessor squads
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>>94370268
Space Marine 1
Dawn of War 1 or 2
Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 1 and 2
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>>94369696
Tonight's WIP. First time genuinely painting in subassemblies (at least for a non-vehicle), and my first time using cork to do so.
Shame I couldn't get them done for a game tomorrow but oh well.
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>>94370155
Eldarfags mad that their tertiary faction is being left behind.
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>>94370283
Mucho texto
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>>94370277
>>94370282
Probably same as you https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1737546089/sol-battle-tank-sponson-set-12pcs
I also bought the track guards because normal ones don't fit on auxilia russes.
Sponsons and turret magnetized.
It's pretty sweet.
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Primed all my guard today. Had them on cardboard that I put outside on the ground. Mostly covered them except for some spots on the lower angles. Are little unprimed spots a big deal when painting? I guess I could try again, but there's 45 of the little fellas and I'd probably have to come up with a method that gives me a better angle at their undersides.
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>>94370323
no priming is not that important.
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Why can't I just dry brush everything
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>>94370348
you can
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>>94370319
>Not the anons, but
There's like 3 versions of them and the one geographically closest to me is the ball joint connection one.
And even then the shipping is basically the same price as the actual model itself which is making me really question whether I should even bother.
But then again I am making a guard army that utilizes multiple different tank patterns. So maybe another customized LR tank wouldn't hurt.

I can't seem to find a third party punisher gatling cannon for the Solar Auxilia Leman Russ though. Or my googlefu is very poor.
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>>94370238
>take the minimum, cheapest troops
And then your troops die and you can't claim objectives. Did you even play 5th?
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>>94370295
These guys rub pretty hard when you fit the riders in, I advise you lay some some varnish on and around the seat before you glue them in.
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>>94370382
>And then your troops die
Did YOU play 5th?
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>>94370377
Just remembered the Kromlech resin punsher cannon.
Think it will work as a replacement turret for the solar auxilia leman russ tank? It has rivets all around it.
Assuming it fits.
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>buy Biosanctic Broodsurge box off Ebay


Wat do? I'm thinking Rusted Claw, but I like a lot of the characters outside of the Jackal Alphus
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>>94369611
>TQ
We are getting AOSd, reboot and all, we going modern audience, get ready for in the 40k millennium there's only diversity.
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>>94370377
I'm away for work but I'm pretty sure I made a punisher cannot by just sticking the head of a punisher cannon onto the base of a cheap recast alpha pattern battle cannon, you could probably use the plastic ones too. picrel, not mine but I'm pretty sure I did something like this.
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>>94369696
I like demons and robots. If dark mech ever comes to 40k then I'm fucked. Thankfully it's constrained to tiny hammer and is only 2 models or something.
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>>94370404
That sounds amazing. I actually have a regular leman russ tank kit so I'll assemble the Solar Auxilia version and see if the punisher turret fits.
I hope it does. I will be very sad if it doesn't fit because it will mean I will have to brute force it to fit.
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>>94370241
Lovely
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What faction do you think needs more custom made stuff?
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>>94370434
The guard.
There's already plenty of third party space marine bits stores.
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>>94370034
thanks anon, appreciate it. trying to decide if I do Obliterators, Chosen, or Legionaries next.
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>>94369742
There's literally next to nothing to refresh, save the Dais of destruction, repack wracks into ten models per box, bring back Grotesques and remake al characters.

Besides that they would actually need new units.
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>>94370400
As far as I understand you can paint rusted claw and play the Broodsurge Detachment. That's what I plan on doing anyways, pic rel.
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>>94370461
>several key units not even available for sale
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>>94370455
Do Obliterators and really play into them wearing diapers. Go full Pampers on those bitches. Besides, I think one of the Chosen has a backwards sword so they suck.
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>>94370466
such as?
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>>94370464
I like the lenses you painted but can you take a less blurry pic so we can all enjoy them better?
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>>94370455
If you can paint Chosen without going insane from the details you'll feel like painting anything else will be easy, I'm working on some for a friend right now
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>>94370464
Paint scheme isn't decided yet. I want to do something different from what little I've done, but I know I like the vehicles and neophytes.

I'm essentially brand new to this, so I just looked at detachments for ideas.
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>>94370482
nice work on the plasma glow
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>>94370478
Better? Sorry my phone is a bit rubbish
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>>94370171
God I hope they retcon femstodes next edition.
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>>94370500
Yes. Good job on him and his little friend.
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>>94370507
Nah, they gotta "modern audience" 40k before the Amazon show. We Sigmarines now.
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>>94370172
Must be painful to live with your degree of retardation.
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>>94370499
Cheers

>>94370510
Thanks. They have performed well so far
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>>94370507
get read for one of the missing primarchs returning
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>>94370168
You’re correct in terms of gameplay but wrong in terms of aesthetics and customization.
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>>94370382
Eeeew a newfag!
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>>94370466
If you say witches you deserve the suffering.
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>>94370517
Didn't that got axed though?
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>>94370535
>customization
no that's the whole point
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>>94370549
Did it? If so, thank Allah (PBUH).
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>>94370549
>>94370557
James and Besos have until next month to agree on the creative guidelines for the thing, if they can't the deal falls through.
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>>94370491
Broodsurge is basically aberrents, purestrain genestealers and hybrid metamorphs. The most "elite" of the GSC detachments, elite being a relative term and we are more of a horde army.

Trucks work well in most detachments but really shine in Outlander Claw, and youll find a place for a few neophytes in most lists but they are more for xenocreed
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>>94370023
Why is it so hazy, just a dirty camera? Cool dudes regardless.
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>>94370575
>but they are more for xenocreed
They are the main star of Host of Ascension are they not?
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>>94370573
GW's absolute retardation has never seemed more useful.
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>>94370575
I think I said Rusted Claw when I meant Outlander lmao whoops.

So vehicle heavy is Outlander Claw or some weird Broodbrother list. If I want more infantry I'd do Host of Ascension.

Sounds simple enough. Thank you, anon.
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>>94370575
Gsc and nids should get a giant monster genestealer biomorph.
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>>94370603
I am not as up to speed on that detachment as I have never played it yet sorry. But they are very cheap, have sticky and come back via cult ambush so at least a couple of units of them will find a place in any detachment really imo
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>>94370211
>>94370521
>no rebuttal
pathetic, the OLD GOOD NEW BAD subhumans really aren't capable of much are they
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>>94370616
Basically yeah, but if you want to change your detachment you will still use a few trucks and neophytes in most lists so your efforts won't be wasted if you decide to change in future
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>>94370636

And it looks like I'll have a lot of both no matter what I do with the army. I won't complain about some mandatory flexibility.
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>>94370007
>The guard weapons on the other hand can probably be better utilized by space marines
This is basically already the case since the majority of IG crew served weapons like heavy bolters, autocannons, missile launchers, etc. are all used by a single marine lugging the weapon around themselves.
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>>94370652
May the good lord have mercy on your soul for choosing to paint this faction.
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>>94370649
>space marine using an IG mortar like it's a knee mortar
Fuck, they could even repurpose the missile launcher backpack with the servo-arm so the marine can hold the mortar with one hand while the servo-arm keeps shoving rounds into it. The marine can use an auspex with his other hand to track the shots.
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There are fates worse than death.
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Should I buy the necron battleforce box or should I get the void dragon on his own with a combat patrol? Battleforce box is $240 plus tax but the dragon + patrol is also $240 on Amazon, and it feels like I get way more that way, especially since I'm not too hot on lychguard.
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>>94370721
>lychguard
*immortals/praetorians I mean, or whatever they are.
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>>94370721
Sounds like you already have your answer. .
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>>94370721
This should have had the monolith instead of the void dragon, for many reasons. What were they thinking?
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>>94370721
>tl;dr
The box is designed for people who already own a necron army, but are missing a c'tan, new overlord and need more Lychguard + warriors.
Praetorians can be built into lychguard which is good. But the box is not balanced for a starter army.
Lychguard in general aren't meta currently. Neither are warriors. Grey tide has been a historic favorite of necrons for multiple editions, so they will get some use eventually.
I could certainly use the box but I'm not getting one. $240 is steep.
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>>94370774
Fair, and I've actually decided to get the nightbringer instead so that drops it another 50-60 bucks to less than $200. I have a paint scheme idea to highlight him with a green glow like on the MTG card so he'll clash with the aesthetics less. Shame, I really was looking forward to the box but that $10 jump was enough to make me rethink it, seems like there's less plastic in it overall than the last couple time, too.
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>>94370788
>grey tide
Silver tide, anon.
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>>94370779
If they added a monolith instead of the dragon it'd actually be a good deal then anon, and we cant have that.
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>>94370803
Sorry, SS13 on the brain. Similar principle though.
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>>94370804
I'm glad I bought the monolith when it was $130 on amazon
>nearly $200 now
Jesus fuck
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>>94370788
kind of feels like every box is like this
the IK box is great
if you already have the bog-standard tournament list at 2k points with a canis rex, you already have all the spare bits and a missilebox/stubber to magnetize to your new knight and 4 armigers which you're going to pad your list with to 3k anyways
but yeah, the price is steep and barely a discount
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>>94370811
The Dark Angels box is perfect thankfully. But again
>$240
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1v1. Current/last known load outs and armaments.

Roboute vs Valdor. Who wins?
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>>94370810
>paid maybe $40 for the old hull (no guns, clear bits, etc.) to use for a conversion project
Feels good, man.
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>>94370834
old monolith has a plumbob, wild to think that 40k takes place in a far future universe of the Sims
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>>94370834
Based.
I wish I kept my old monolith.
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Do you have any suggestions for a way to convert/T'au-ify a Kahl for the Demiurg themed army I'm working on?

I was pretty happy with my Pulse Carbine weapon swap on some Hearthkyn in the back here.

The Grimnyr is secondhand so I'm just repainting it (away from a lame half-arsed Santa theme).
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>>94370834
>>94370860
Idk man, old one kinda looks like shit. Just a giant hunk of flat plastic.
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>>94370846
>Glabada minza, gleebee zee zo wee zo florkthrorp.
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>>94370884
The old one always reminded me of a Dalek for some reason, and I hated it. Probably didn't help that at the time the most annoying 40k player I ever had the displeasure of regularly encountering was a Necron player.
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>>94369696
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>>94370884
>Just a giant hunk of flat plastic
Would you say it looks... monolithic?
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>>94370891
everything about the Old Ones is starting to make a lot more sense now
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>>94370901
Pretty fucking rad. Very nice blending and crisp highlights. The gold came out great, especially on the knee skull.
No notes, top shelf stuff anon.
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>>94370867
Honestly, a Tau shoulderpad slapped on top of the Kahl's power fist to make the top plate would look really good and tie it into the Tau theme you're going for.
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>>94369611
>TQ
The only good news i wait is Prinaris getting squatted
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got a couple of these coming in the mail I got for cheap(ish)
what are some aesthetic loadouts?
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>>94370970
Dual claws or dual assault cannon
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>The Emperor is a Perpetual
>Vulkan is a Perpetual
>Big E is predicted to be on the throne forever
>Vulkan lives
So why can Vulkan, eventually, re-materialize whereas Emps is a husk forever?
I'm not trolling, I legit don't know.
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>>94370993
Cuz the Emperor can't fully die and ne reborn because the throne keeps him alive.
Also because even if he's a perpetual if he dies for real even for a moment the Warp rift on Terra explodes
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>>94370901
I like the bone colored trim, matches the purple armour really well
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>>94370993
the emperor isn't fully dead
if he died he could reincarnate but it would destroy the entire sol system
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>>94371010
>>94371014
But...why? Can't he just pop into his dumbass skull body and rise? Or is it all theoretical? Or is he just busy playing skeet hockey with the chaos losers?
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>>94370993
Because he's only mostly dead, not dead-dead. So he can't rise from the ashes like a phenix.

Perpetuals is a silly idea.
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>>94371026
he's still in his body, that's why
it's not dead, it's kept on death's door so he can keep the warp rift closed
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>>94371027
What is his perpetual soul DOING then, I guess? I mean, if I assume correct, perpetuals just come to life forever, and only Vulkan inherited it. Is big E just bored and doing whatever? Locked down somehow? I'm just trying to guess.
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>>94370981
>or
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>>94371026
He's in stasis anon, he isn't dead and is prevented from fully dying from the gokdeb throne
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>>94370588
not sure honestly? might also just have to dust the kitchen light lmao.
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>>94371056
>in stasis
Then how is he able to communicate and why does he need people fed to him to keep him alive? Guilliman and others in stasis didn't need to be fed.
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>>94371037
His soul is shattered to the point of insanity and its all made of little fragments that try to help humanity by manifesting his will through the emperor's tarot or some other lesser miracles but He is too fragmented to gather enough power to restore hinself back to full life.

He's basically trapped in an infinite cycle of infinite simultaneous 4d chess matches all the time
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>>94371033
>>94371056
Isn't this supposed God a perpetual? Why can't he just regenerate? Vulkan can, apparently. Why not big E?
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>>94371067
vulkan can only do that after dying, and after his sons go on a bullshit quest to recover a bunch of macguffins
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>>94371062
>>94371067
the psykers being 'fed' to him empower him in keeping the damaged Webway sealed. he's literally a dam holding back an infinite number of daemons from pouring over Terra straight through his asshole. if he were to die, yes he could regenerate in theory, but doing so would basically turn Terra into another Eye of Terror in the process.
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>>94370264
Xcoom2, with space marine mod
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>>94370867
>a Kahl
It's not A Kahl, it's just Kahl
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>>94371084
Why can't they try to take all the shit off terra and move it somewhere else and then let him come back?
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>>94371084
>the psykers being 'fed' to him empower him in keeping the damaged Webway sealed
So why doesn't the fluff just say that instead? Because all I read is that they're fed to him and his appetite is growing.
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is the dark angels battleforce good?
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>>94371127
40k often uses the 'unreliable narrator' for immersion. basically, read Horus Heresy stuff to understand the 'why' of just about everything in the setting.

>>94371136
yes, its over 1000 points, its very very good.
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>>94371137
>read Horus Heresy stuff
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>>94371137
>read Horus Heresy stuff
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>>94371137
thank you i’ll try to get it
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>>94371166
You won't do shit
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>>94371137
>Horus Heresy stuff
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>>94370631
>less and worst options it's good guys!
>why aren't you writing an essay to rebut my retardation!?
You're not just a retard but an unbearable faggot.
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>>94371136

>yes, its over 1000 points, its very very good.

its also going to sell out I N S T A N T L Y to scalpers, so good luck
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>>94371137
>read Horus Heresy stuff
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>>94371137
>read Horus Heresy
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>>94371192
>Waaah it's a free market and I'm too shit to get things I want
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>>94371137
>read Horus Heresy stuff
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Is it true that the reason 40kg hates horus heresy stuff is because they cant/are too lazy to read?
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I want to get the necron box because that plus what 'crons I have will launch me to 1k but as >>94370721 points out, a Void Dragon and a CP would do about the same. Then again Lychguard look cool
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Why are Chaos terminators so much cooler than loyalists?
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>>94371137
>read Horus Heresy stuff
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>>94371248
I hate HH because it replaced heroic myth and half-truths passed down over ten millenia with mediocre writing of authors too shit to make it without relying on an existing IP.
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>>94371248
I just think it was a bad idea not leaving it the realm of contradictory myths
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>>94371250
Because spikes and tusks
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>>94371250
It's the tusks.
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>>94371248
It repeats and retcons a pre-established story then stretches it out as much as possible to prevent anything from going past a specific point. So while 40k crawls towards something vaguely hinting at story progression 30k is doing donuts on the floor while projectile shitting on 40k
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>>94371250
its the tusks
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>>94371137
>Horus Heresy
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>>94371250
itsh the thushksh
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>>94371261
>>94371262
>>94371265
https://youtu.be/EmuBOfurv3o?si=TafG0lfkbd928WZC
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>>94371262
>tusks
Those are horns
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CK player here, anyone else coping and seething about the knights box missing the damn weapon sprue?
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>>94371271
horns grow from the head tusks are from the mouth you'd know this if you weren't a paint huffing retard with a sub-preschool education
>>94371272
no because I don't play Knights
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>>94371250
They are same as loyalists.
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>>94371278
>horns grow from the head tusks are from the mouth
Where do you think the mouth is located on, genius?
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>>94371137
>read Horus Heresy
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>>94371284
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tusk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_(anatomy)
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how do we solve the scalper question
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>>94371290
Chaos termies are suppsoed to look like elephant heads nigwit.
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>>94371290
>She actually edited wikipedia with bad info and thinks we won't notice
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>>94371301
AND ELEPHANTS HAVE TUSKS NOT HORNS\
>>94371299
execution
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so this is the power of discord
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>>94371137
>read Horus Heresy stuff
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>>94370094
Centurions are king if the don't get updated models this edition they'll have their own detachment rules next edition
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>>94369931
>>94369889
The answer is simply that GW never got around to it. Why is for example, neo volkite weaponry not commonly used by higher ranking imperial guard officers for example? GW simply hasn't made a kit for that update and likely never will as to keep primaris weapons looking unique. Simple as. There no reason in the lore for it not to be available.
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>>94370112
Rievers would be fine if Battleshock was useful. Idk how but maybe like making shooting worse or opposing saves better because they're so fucking agitated their shots are going wide?
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Has anyone made crusaders from the Bretonnian foot knights kit?
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>>94371373
No, but I made boomboom
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is there a way to make this guy usable in any knight list?
his main weapon and bondsman ability are total junk, probably one of the worst datasheets in the game, but man does he look fucking great, and I see these things sitting on shelves at massive discounts
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>guard exists to make humanity the underdogs bravely fighting against unstoppable odds
>marines exist to make humanity the epic cool badasses who wreck pathetic weak aliens like its nothing
>sisters exist to establish how dangerous the threat the guard is facing is or make the marines look even more badass
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the barrel of a gun
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>>94371451
>carboard terrain
Holy FUCK you're poor
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>>94371448
sisters exist to look pretty
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>>94371462
You're sister sure does
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>>94371461
I will not listen to these wrong opinions.
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>>94371464
man, I wish I had a sister
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Custodes vs Sallys today. I got fucking obliterated.
Highlight (lowlight) was my tanks getting trapped in the parking garage after a unit rolled snakeyes rerolled into three on a five inch charge. It was my fault too as I made some crucial mistakes during deployment.
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>>94371461
Cereal boxes make the best bunkers
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>>94371509
t. cat
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You get one full 2k list of a Dornian Heresy chapter/warband of your choice, what are you picking and why?
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>>94371541
I don't pick anything because engaging with that shit is cringe.
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>>94371541
word bearers, again
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>>94371541
That Bangle does the Nurgle look better than any DG art or model made in the past twenty years.
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>>94371541
dunno, ask /dhg/
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>>94371541
Loyalist Iron Warriors I then proceed to say are an Imperial Fist successor called the Imperial Warriors who accidentally used the IW look
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How closely do Kroot an auxiliary follow the T'au chain of command? It seems clear that they have their own "field officers", Sharpers, but how closely do they work together with the regular Tau Commander of the cadre? Are they independent units that get attached to Cadres or organic to them? Do they follow direct orders of the T'au Commander while attached? Do they get orders from other shapers further up in the hierarchy? Do they have water caste and fire caste officers with them?
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>>94371556
the shaper or kinband leader is in communication with a fire caste officer and receive orders from them
they might follow them or they might not, but generally they're reliable
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>>94371556
Vespids & other auxiliaries have to have a tau field officer at all times but kroot don't. Maybe a commander has orders passed down but otherwise Kroot work without much direct interference cuz they're that badass
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>>94370507
Do you actually sperg out at the idea of femstodes, or do you think it's wrong for political reasons?
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>>94371250
>>94371261
The tusks, make regular power armour cooler too
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>>94370517
that's getting cancelled
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>>94371373
I don't understand something here, Why do those footknights were tournament style crests on their helmets? Those were never worn outside of parade or events and definitly not in serious combat situations.
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are repulsors and impulsors worth it
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>>94369758
the more i look at those new boyz the more i hate them, forcing players to use shootas just pisses me off
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>>94369889

IG senior officers used to be able to take plasma pistols as wargear. They probably still can but I'm too lazy to check.
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What do the Leagues need to expand their range?
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>>94371711
Players.
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>>94371711
Sappers and combat engineers
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>>94371711
Flyers
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>>94371711
Land trains
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>>94371686
its not as good as the old kit, but I cant imagine playing with anyone I couldnt just say "yeah these are all choppa boyz" to
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>>94371711

How well do they synergy with the Tau given that Tau have a league of them under their wing (Demiurgs)?
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>>94371738
ive heard a few horror stories here about that shit but most people wouldnt care, being xenos and all they wouldnt even know what it is
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>>94371711
They need more Cabal.
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>>94371492
It's so refreshing to see a bright and nice looking green for salamanders in this thread
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>>94371541

I find no interest in it. Like the World Eaters. The difference is that the nails were removed and thus they are giga-loyalists purging dissent ala the Space Wolves.

Only that wasn't really the WE's deal, their deal was brotherhood and fidelity with each other not fanatical devotion to the emperor. Also it's more strongly implied in the actual HH novels they were meant to be arseaching hippies whose twin hearts ache with suffering ala Blood Angels since Angron before the nails was highly empathic being who could take pain from others by suffering the pain himself. World Eater Librarians do the same thing to Angron like at Armatura when Angron is having a nails driven autistic freakout but the 19 remaining Librarians channel their minds to remove his pain from the nails for a short time allowing him to save Lorgar with his classic holding up a titan foot thing.
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>>94371711
Best to just let it die. They are even less popular than squats were. All of you fags that begged for that awful faction got what you deserved.
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>>94371541
Space Wolves because I kinda want to do a Dark Wolves warband anyway
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>>94370708
nta but I'm painting this guy right now and I'm enjoying it
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Do you lads think assault terminators/lysander is likely for this edition or will we be waiting until 11th?
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>>94369696

Still need to fix a lot of mistakes, I love the model though
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>94371823
>mfw even anecdotes from anons at stores say it's comparable to other xenos but gw keeps pushing marines so they don't even get front and center advertisement like displays
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>>94371835
looks good anon
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>>94370461
>There's literally next to nothing to refresh
literally everything that's OOP resin needs refreshing you retard, that's why they just released Mandrakes via KT; you literally couldn't buy them before that
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Played a 3250pt game on the weekend and it took 7 hours
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>>94371857
why 3250
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>>94370472
>such as?
Grotesques, Court of the Archon, Beastmaster/Razorwings/Khymerae, and Urien Rakarth have all been out-of-production Resin for 2+ years at this point despite being a sizeable fraction of the entire army list and part of the 9th codex and 10th index. Mandrakes are a key scoring unit but got a Kill Team refresh at least
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>>94371711
Grombrindal
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>>94371857
nice
what were the highlights anon
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>>94371858
We wanted a retard huge game and that's the upper limit of what I have painted but the necron guy is crazy and had like 10k in his collection.
Here's something funny I had 10 Flash Gitz + Badrukk come on and unload everything into Wraiths and they did literally 0 damage
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>>94371857
Very nice, and you've got a Seraptek too!
Got mine in the mail today and look forward to building and painting that monster.
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>>94371711
another hekaton-class vehicle to represent the other wagons of the land trains with heavy guns emplacements
cyberslayer hero
living ancestor robo-dreddy
gyro-grav-flyer
jump pack astronauts
subterranean drill transport
artillery teams
unit made exclusively of men of iron like the one from BSF
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>>94371884
>never talk to me or my son, or my son's son, ever again
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>>94371880
Oh, somehow I thought you were the Necron player. Your Orks are lovely too, and it's nice seeing them here in another color than blue for once.
Wraiths are tough as fuck, your best choice is usually to just ignore them or bind them with some cheap unit so they can't do MWs.
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>>94370155
>Where did this phrase of Space Marines becoming like "aspect warriors" come from and how?
The part where they literally became aspect marines praying at the shrine of plasma.
>Before
"This is a Devastator Squad. All Space Marines start as Scouts and train as Devastators and Assault Marines before graduating to Tactical Marines, who can flexibly be equipped and respond based on a given conflict, which is important for an elite force of only 1,000 men fighting vastly outnumbered.
>Now
"These are the PRIMARIS HELLBLASTER Aspect Marines. They pray at the shrine to plasma and never leave home without the smell of burnt ozone. They will literally scream and cry if you try to make them pick up a bolter or grav cannon. Also they can't even ride in a Rhino, because their Aspect Shrine forbids it."

"This is an Eradicator, the Aspect Marine of Meltaguns. They only wear a special kind of gravis armor and use a Melta Rifle that Cawl totally didn't crib from the knife-ears. They will never wear other kinds of armor or use different weapons and only use this specific armor+weapon combination with a Proper Noun name.
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Snikrot takes a lil steppy onto the middle objective while everyone else cheers him on from behind los
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Do Votann use any form of Stubber?
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>>94370507
>God I hope they retcon femstodes next edition.
lmao it's 10x more likely the 2nd primarch is revealed to have been a woman who reunites with onii-chan lion and outouto guilliman, with ADB as head of narrative taking the opportunity to piss on Big E even harder by making it so the 2nd legion was purged for trying to make an enlightened star trek utopia or some shit, to pander to the endless annoying redditors who demand a "good guy" faction like the Interex because they're incapable of enjoying playing as muh fascist imperium
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>>94371919
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>>94371901
This post is so laughably wrong that I can only assume it's a falseflag of some kind.
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>>94371925
chozo are too based for 40k, space pirates are retarded enough to fit right in though
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>>94371857
Weird amount of points
How was the battle? Didja win?
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Ghaz moved up to try and punch the Seraptek but there was too much stuff screening. His unit survives literally all that stuff shooting at it with Ard as Nails and the MANz FNP
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>>94371857
>Played a 1250 game over the weekend
>Took nearly 4 hours
>Even then only got to bottom of Turn 3, and had to end because the store was closing
Dreadful
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>>94371928
sorry that the truth hurts
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>>94371938
meanwhile
hmmmm clearly these two images are the exact same :^)
oh and these guys are allowed to ride in a Rhino
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>>94371913
does this count?
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>>94371932
>Nightbringer runs in and ties up Ghaz for the rest of the game
It actually ended in a tie. We only played a simple primary without secondaries to avoid brain drain (each obj is worth 5 at the start of your turn). As you can imagine Orks scored bigly for the first 3 turns but by the very end of turn 5 Necrons stood on all 5 objs and scored massively
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>>94371816
Yeah I liked the bright greens he used.
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>>94371938
>>94371942
Primaris don't pigeonhole into a single weapon in lore, retard, they're assigned a role before their mission and are given a loadout to match. They'll only repeat that loadout if required.
SM2 even has a background scene where a Sergeant is telling one of his subordinates that they're being deployed as a Hellblaster squad, and they need to re-equip before deployment.
Marines still train with all weapons, but will deploy with a designated task and approach.
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>>94371711
Lava gun
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>>94371955
And Eldar can change between different Aspect Warriors over their life too lol, the entire prerequisite to becoming an Autarch is to have mastered each Path which is also why they get to mix war gear from different Aspects they've served as, so you can have a Banshee mask and a Scorpion blade and a Warp Spider jump pack on the same guy.

This is pure cope, they're fucking aspect marines, now shut up and get off the Rhino, faggot, you're not allowed to ride the fun vehicle; get in your goddamn ugly wannabe Primaris Wave Serpent grav tanks instead.
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What is it about certain gimmicks or cultural flavours that gets the fandom so upset? Is there not room enough for all of it, or are only certain ones "allowed" in their autistic mindset?
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>>94371857
Damn, looks like a fun time.
I did a fuckass huge game against necrons a while ago, I think we took around 9 hours to finish it at 5k points.
Were you exhausted afterwards? I certainly was.
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>>94371972
>And Eldar can change between different Aspect Warriors over their life too
NTA but is it as simple as swapping out a gun? This sounds more like being made designated marksman with a more precise weapon or support gunner with a SAW.
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>>94371905
those are some nice looking orks but the cover system makes for some silly images
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>>94371975
>Is there not room enough for all of it
not really, no matter what you do, hello kitty marines have no place
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>>94371975

which "fandom" and which gimmicks are you talking about? Personally one of the strengths of 40k is how varied the universe is.
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>>94371972
Cawl is clearly an Eldaboo
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>>94372004
Judging by his picture I assume he means Roman analogues being associated with tyranny and imperial corruption.
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>>94372007
cawl got his tech from the votann

except the spinny bit, he made that all by himself
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>>94370507
It wont be.
In either case it doesn't matter because you're not a custodesfag anyway so your opinion on the faction you don't play let alone buy doesn't matter.
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>>94371919
There's no possibility for a missing Primarch to be a woman. They've already written themselves out of that possibility and reinforced it in recent novels even.
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>>94371972
>And Eldar can change between different Aspect Warriors over their life too lol
Most of them don't.
If you are a dire avenger, you stay as a dire avenger.
Only ones who go from another warrior path to another are ones who are aiming to become autarchs, since to become an autarch you have to master most if not all aspect warrior paths so you can command your forces most effectively.
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A lost primarch corpse will be eaten by nids and they get primarch dna to create some one-off super swarmlord variant.
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>>94372021
>but the novels
It doesn't matter. The lore doesn't matter, and what is considered "canon" matters even less for GW.
Did you already forget female custodes happening?
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>>94372026
The ones that don't become Exarchs, who are relatively rare.
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>>94371982
>s it as simple as swapping out a gun?
Aspect Marines don't just swap a gun, they also swap out their hyper-specialized Aspect Marine armor that is only ever paired with that specific gun, too. A Suppressor isn't just a guy with an auto cannon, the PRIMARIS (TM) SUPPRESSOR(TM) is a guy wearing a specific variant of Omnis armor, wielding a specific variant of accelerator auto cannon, and equipped with a grav-chute. The same way a Warp Spider is not "just a guy with a death spinner", but it's the specific combination of Death Spinner+heavy aspect armor with warp shielding (hence the 3+/5++)+Jump generator on their back. Just like a Suppressor without a grav chute is not a Suppressor, a Warp Spider without a jump generator is not a Warp Spider. It's the bespoke name for that specific combination of armor+weapon+wargear

You know what a Devastator with a Lascannon is called? A fucking Devastator.
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>>94372027
I've seen people joking that this is what Tiamat is working on with that one project planet of theirs.
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>>94371913
not really but they have several rotary cannons which appear to perform a similar function
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>>94372037
Ah, I see. They're not aspects. They are GI Joe action figure sets.
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>>94372026
Lol, the ones who DON'T change Paths are the absolute minority and get stuck tending their aspect shrines as Exarchs and are considered Lost on the Path. Most Aspect Warriors are not Exarchs, that's like saying every Marine is a Chaplain or Librarian
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>>94372042
>They are GI Joe action figure sets.
Or if you look at Reivers, Call of Duty Warzone Specialists lol
seriously fuck this awful company can we please get another serious competitor, X-Wing and Warmahordes both totally shat the bed
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>>94371669
repulsors i think you can make some solid arguments for. impulsors less so
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>>94372037
People do this with necessary hardware all the time if needed. How many BDUs are there for specific environments? Many do this to sell more figures like the dozens of Stormtrooper variations. People dress different if dressing different helps their role.
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>>94372058
>Call of Duty Warzone Specialists
Those change outfits and weapons depending on whatever the player chooses.
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>>94372063
From a wargame perspective, different outfits makes them Identifiable on the table when you have 60 different kinds of marines to distinguish between too. Can you imagine if all of them were in normal sizes MkX Tacticus armor?
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>>94372058
Needs the knife to be in the right hand.
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>>94372063
The different types of StarWars Stormtroopers are much more analogous to different Imperial Guard regiments and equipment based on the planet and biome they're recruited from and specialized in, Valhallans are basically Arctic Troopers in all but name.
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>>94372032
>>94372050
Wrong again.
Exarchs are specifically eldar who are lost to their chosen path, basically they have become obsessed with it and therefore can no longer change it. And this is for all paths, not just aspect warriors.
You can remain on any path as long as you want without becoming lost onto it and all of it depends on the person themselves. Even the eldar themselves mention it.
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>>94372063
And yet a snow trooper can equip a different blaster when it's needed. Or a flamer. He also might just equip a different armor if fighting not in cold environments, but use the same gun
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>>94372072
>Can you imagine if all of them were in normal sizes MkX Tacticus armor?
Yeah? They'd just have different guns.
I can rotate a wumpa fruit inside my head as well, can you?
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>>94372090
Stormtroopers change their gear much more often while IG usually don't change as much hopping from planet to planet. Valhallans carry their style everywhere and are that way more from birth and homeplanet training.

Officially, Snowtroopers aren't the official name but Cold weather assault stormtrooper is. They're people who specifically trained for that but nothing about their home, birth culture, or if they can swap to others. It's like if a Cadian were to don Valhallan gear and tactics if they reach a snow planet.
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>>94372072
Different helmet colours, different shoulder pad colours etc. Ofc you can make different units easy to identify.
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>>94372137
>Valhallans carry their style everywhere and are that way more from birth and homeplanet training.

Guard regiments often get supply depending on their warzone.
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>>94372058
Reivers wear phobos armor because they are a vanguard unit.
Their purpose is to both scout ahead of the main force and sow terror in the enemy by strategically killing commanders and perform other type of sabotage.
Wearing phobos helps with that because it is lighter and it is specifically equipped with quieter servos, etc.
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>>94372141
>colors
>restricting what colors I can paint them
I'm not doing Deathwatch and leaving a pauldron the original color besides blackshields.
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>>94372122
>And yet a snow trooper can equip a different blaster when it's needed. Or a flamer.
So can a primaris.
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>>94372146
Their training, tactics, and more aren't. Usually they're sent to environments they're used to or can do unless the Adminstratorium botched it again. It'd be a sick joke for a Tallarn Regiment to be sent to a tundra.
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is it possible to build a decent thousand sons army without magnus?

i dont mind ahriman, he's cool. im not opposed to name characters. i just dont like magnus's model. if he were more like the lion or guilliman sized i wouldnt be so opposed to it but the massive muscle man that looks like some 90s action figure in the middle of an army of egyptian themed sorcerers is just out of place and doesnt match the vibe

but i watched a couple videos to get an idea how the army works and it sounds like magnus is the backbone of the entire strategy for that army
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>since the inception of Scouts, nobody uses Tacts because the special weapon is often useless and is mostly just an extra plasma shot in
>Every marine list becomes 2 scouts
>Everyone started running combi weapon Sternguard to do specific roles since Tacts sucked so much ass at it
>Special Weapons get changed so the most experienced marines are no longer the worst out of the Dev/Scout/Tact trio
>This somehow makes people mad.

I'm convinced half the people here never played early editions because Tacts being shit troop tax options has been a thing from like 4th
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next Space Marine Heroes series should be Orks, or CSM.
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>I HAVE TRAINED FOR DECADES TO BECOME A MEATSHIELD FOR TANKS
>WAIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M BENCHED FOR SCOUTS?
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>>94372169
>SPACE MARINE HEROES
>contain Orks
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>>94372158
Sure their training won't change. But fuck ups of regiments ending up in the "wrong" warzone happens more often than not I would say.
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>>94372169
it will be female and black custodes
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Very subtle
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>>94372169
I would like some more Chaos. DGuard got so much in comparison to TSons and WEaters, I am genuinely concerned about the EChildren release.
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>>94372160
You would be severely gimping yourself, there's a reason every competitive list puts him in first.

1CP full rerolls to hit and wound / move twice / indirect fire are just wildly better when you can only apply them to one unit but that one unit happens to be a 14" move murder machine with a bag of tricks to stop damage getting through.

I mean who else would you use those tools on that TSons rely on to win games? A Rubric unit? Even if you were using it on a max sized brick its nowhere near as good and you're losing Cabal points
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>>94370155
Eldar are a generalist army made up of specialized units. Marines WERE a generalist army made up of generalist units, but now their units are more and more specialized as they absorb the Eldar's army conp philosophy into thwir own.
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>>94372169
As a CSM player, I agree with you. I wouldn't mind one for WE either though.
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>>94372195
next year's limited edition model? gay knight's servoskull?
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>>94372189
The future is green and it's beautiful, you Git.
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>>94372160
>is it possible to build a decent thousand sons army without magnus?
No.
Same with World Eaters minus Angronthe chaos legion codexes would honestly be better off implemented as a Regiment of Renown type deal for CSM where in exchange for access to X you give up Y/Z/etc. Instead of being pathetic half armies with a single way to build the faction dependent on a bunch of specific named characters.

GW already did this with eldar, who have "if you bring Yvraine as warlord, you can't take Harlequins/Corsairs/Phoenix lords/Avatar of Khaine but can ally 1000 points of Dark Eldar", but I guess retarded codex bloat is more a space marine thing than a xenos one.
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>>94372196
I always liked the deep magenta and gold look of the late HH. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the new official look for them when they’re released, also the new characters in the second to last EC book wore those colors.
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>the iron sight blocks the view of the scope
I can't get over this lads.
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>>94372231
We're sorely lacking another Blue Ork Anon, except his Ork LARP as Crinson Fists Ultramarines.
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>minis are expensive
>painting is time consuming
>working 60h a week
>only make $1k a week
>gay bottoms can make $2k per video
>only 3h of work a week
Warhammer bros that are in too deep, is this worth it?
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>>94372264
>t. schizophrenic with no job
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>>94372232
People see an AR15 with the front-sight gas block and don't think twice
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>>94372264
If you're making $1k a week and you can't afford warhammer, warhammer isn't the problem

Move to a cheaper town or state, maybe cut down on other vices like cigarettes or booze. Buy warhammer boxes is small digestible amounts like 1 box a month. If you are making $4k a month and can't swing a $50 box of minis, you've got serious problems
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>>94372218

The problem isn't with the legion codexes its with primarchs on the table being solely meant to milk paypigs and the cult legion codexes are perfunctory to allow that milking.

If they had a full range of unique units and detachment rules fleshing them out and making the primarchs more balanced within the faction they would be infinitely better than a handful of rules and 1 unique unit in a CSM codex. Basically if they got the same care and attention of a loyalist codex.
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Colourshift paint costs 5 bucks, normal acrylics cost 50 cents .
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>>94372296
So I'm reading this and what I think you're saying is we need to take the helbrute box and put upgrades in it and increase the price 10 bucks and call it a "khornebrute" and take the classic dreadnaught, size it up and put some tzeentch shit in it and raise the price 20 bucks and call it a "tzeentchnaught" and take the chaos bikers, throw some pink shit on them and double the price and wallah- doomriders!
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>>94372264
>>gay bottoms can make $2k per video
I was unironically going to put all my money into TSLA stock on november 4th because I thought it might pump after the boogaloo on the 5th, but then I pussied out because I was scared it would dump and I'd lose all my money.
>up 50% in a week
I want to die.
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>>94372298
>normal acrylics cost 50 cents
What manufacturer?
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>>94372268
Literally me.
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>>94372318
Invest in military contractors. No doubt in my mind that Raytheon and the rest are going up in the next few years
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>>94372264
at least you havent fallen into the trap yet, i work close to that many hours yet i have no fuckin time to paint
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>>94372327
/smg/ said that in 2020 and RTX is only up 2x in 4 years in spite of everything, meanwhile those guys didn't care about NVDA until it was already at 500 bucks a share. They are genuinely the dumbest investing thread on 4chan.

Warhammer 40,000.
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>>94372320
The generic paints I find at the craft store.
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>>94372364
Then perhaps I am simply a warmongering fool
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Do you think that you will play the game again before the end of the year?
Is there anything the December data slate could do to change your mind?
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>>94372373
Is Garfield a daemon?
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Woah the hive storm box was $230. Fucking leviathan was $250.
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>>94372415
I want to get in at least one game with my Avatar before the end.
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>>94372418
Undoubtedly.
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>>94372415
Yeah like a half dozen times
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>>94372415
I've been playing for 25 years. A slow season ortho isn't going to stop me. Shit, we used to go years without updates sometimes
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>>94371841
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>>94372415
why have you framed the question as if we are all in accordance of not playing?
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>>94372415
I've got a game today with my group. Gonna start a crusade next week.
Don't see much changing for Chaos Space Marines or Sisters of Battle this December but I still think Daemon Princes should be less points.
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>>94372415
I need to get games in with my guard before they nerf the scion aquilons into the dirt!
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>>94372318

what does stock trading have to do with getting your bussy pounded on camera?

also to get the best returns from military stocks you need to keep a close eye on where weapons will be deployed. It doesn't matter if Boeing has a system in IOC to mass fire 45x cluster munition equipped cruise missiles at once from a C-17 transport the stock won't skyrocket until boomers see it wok frying a Chinese battalion in CNN.
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>>94372415
>Do you think that you will play the game again before the end of the year?
I'll be lucky to get a game in at all
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>>94372468
Jesus Christ, somebody help Sonic!
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>>94372468

>boeing

I meant to change that to Lockheed but whatever.
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>>94372468
>what does stock trading have to do with getting your bussy pounded on camera?
Those are the only two careers worthy of respect
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>>94372460
Nerf is coming next week so hop to it
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What does the standard iron warrior terminator look like? I refuse to acknowledge they keep the same horny visage adorned on them.
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>>94372547
>What does the standard iron warrior terminator look like?
they keep the same horny visage adorned on them.
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>>94372415
yes but making my army not garbage would be nice
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Does anyone remember the dark furries?
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>>94372552
Sad!
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>>94372571
no nobody remembers gav thorpe's renegade abortions
but I'm partial to the bleack brotherhood
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>>94372547
everything you've been told about iron warriors wearing only mk3 and hating chaos is as much of a meme as krieg shovels and purple orks are
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>>94372586
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>>94372415
>Blood Angels end of the year
That has to mean early-mid December, right? Nobody would be insane enough to drop product on Christmas.
What could it be, anyways? A Primaris Baal Predator equivalent?
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>>94372415
A few of my friends seem to have jumped back on board this edition, and if they asked for a game I'd probably oblige, but I've been checked out on 10th since around September of last year and I have no strong urge to seek games on my own. I don't think that will change unless GW miraculously stops being so violently anti-hobbyist with their rules writing, and I don't think that's going to happen, so I might be out on the game side of 40k.
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>>94372586
even that old ass upgrade kit had a chaos star detail
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>>94372590
They're already out bro. It's done. All that's left is the combat patrol I think.
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>>94372415
>Do you think that you will play the game again before the end of the year?
Nah, and the incoming death of the Veteran Guardsman killteam has killed my wanting to play Kill Team.
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Halp me Anons, anyone's got Thousand Sons painted in pink and blue and is willing to share a photo or two?
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>>94372586
>>94372587
Why do Iron Warrior players always insist that the IW look is Horus Heresy Mk2/Mk3 power armor and no chaos trim at all?
For me it should be a balance of both MK2/MK3 heresy armour and chaos trim armour
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>>94371823
Are there any actual Votann fans here?
I'm just curious.
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>>94372631
>Why do Iron Warrior players
Autism.
>>94372660
Who?
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>>94372660
Yes
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Does anyone have some homebrew for the tarkatan Salamanders?
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>>94372660
I'm too autistic towards my own faction to ever consider collecting them, but they've got some very neat ideas going on and I disagree with a lot of the sentiments against them.
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>>94372587
they look a lot cooler with the horns
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>>94372547
these are iron warriors
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>>94372739
>chaos beaky helmet
I haven't seen many of those even among the STL making sphere.
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>>94372232
In the SM2 game the front sight is actually hollow.
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>>94372189
all kill teams are essentially orks
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>>94372442
>why have you framed the question as if we are all in accordance of not playing?
He'd be correct.
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>>94369611
New player here. Why do people complain about Forgeworld models? Do they suck?
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>>94372660
Yeah I like em
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>>94371711
>Another engineer character that's followed by a bunch of actual sentries instead of floating worker bots
>Melee exo-suits (preferably big drill hands)
>Dreadnaught equivalent
>A tank that isn't a transport
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>>94372797
Super expensive compared to GW models while also having lower quality standards. Parts can be warped and need to be warmed to straighten out.
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>Do they suck?
Yes.
1. They are resin. It's shit to work with because you don't want to breath in the dust that comes off it when you shave and sand resin. Also you need stuff like super glue to build the models, god forbid if you ever drop the resin model since that thing is shattering into million pieces. And if it's a larger resin model be ready to pull out a drill and use metal rods to pin shit toget alongside glue
2. They have no quality control
3. Their prices are even worse when compared to regular 40k, especially considering the quality of product you get.
4. Pic related is the type of "quality" you can expect with FW. The models in the pic are also fairly new and recent.
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>>94372415
im hyped for dkok
hope they reveal soon
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Warhammer Quest: Webway when
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I've heard some theories that if the Great Horned Rat existed in 40k, he would instead be called the Great Horned Bat his dedicated marines would be the Night Lords, since they are devious, cruel, and cowardly. What do you think /40kg/?
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>>94372631
Because every person except you and me are fucking morons. Note how it's always "IW only wear stock mk3" or "IW have literally zero defining visual details and are just BL painted metallic", both obviously being wrong.
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>>94372866
nonsense since the GHR does exist in 40k since the warp is the same entity in both settings
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>>94372586
I don't know if anyone actually says this. I see more posts complaining about that mindset than I do people actually expressing it.
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>>94372870
Iron Warriors are best when they are Iron Hands but chaos.
It actually makes them unique and fun to model.
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>>94372189
They changed it to "Warhammer Heroes" quite a while ago. They just made a Stormcast set.
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>>94372883
nope, fuck off coldsteel the hedgehogfag
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>>94372893
???
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>>94372896
your generic chaos siegefags don't get to be the super-duper special retards you want them to be
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>>94372883
iron warriors are siege experts not machine god followers
people thinking they for iron hands but chaos are making up fan fiction to pretend a lame legion is actually cool
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>>94372883
I only ever cared about the bionics and daemon engines. The siege and Imperial Fist rivalry stuff is boring.
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>>94372912
??????
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>>94372907
Still not quite sure what you're talking about, but someone's models can "get to be" whatever they want.
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Anyone have an updated pic of all the rumor engines?
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>>94372866
that's retarded and not actually a theory at all either
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NGL the intense retard vs. mongoloid sped-offs undergone by /40kg/ every time the IW are mentioned kind of turned me off from the faction entirely. Thank goodness for Vashtorr giving me another outlet for my mecha-chaos autism.
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>>94372878
>I don't know if anyone actually says this.
you lack awareness then
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>>94372952
I see people say things that get misconstrued as that, but that's all.
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Friends want me to join there small casual WH 40K group. Wanted to go with Custodes, but they (at least on paper) look quite boring and whole tactic is about rolling 2+ or 4+ ;)

Are there any quite elite factions (don't have time for painting) beside Space Marines and Custodes?

Or maybe someone can share idea for 1000 Black Templar or Orks list? Don't have to be min / maxed.
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>>94372949
MOAR CYBERDAEMONS
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>>94372964
If you want a pure elite army, go knights and have your group hate you.
You can also just go with bully Boyz or dread mob Orks, they can be pretty elite.
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>>94372970
That’s just a walking onahole
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I wish there was a way to play as your dudes but online
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>>94372970
>admech parts
worlds most expensive plaguebearer unit
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>>94372949

dark mechanicum are fun. So are traitor titan legions.

It's the shame that Chaos Knights are so shat out. We could have had unique daemon titans like the Slaaneshi scout titans from Epic. Not just a normal knight with spikes.
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>>94372949
You do realize that Vashbore the Archfaggot is just the patron god of the Iron Warriors, right? >>94372924
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I like the Word Bearers.

>arrogant
>self-righteous
>sanctimonious
>petty and cruel
>extremely vain
>hypocritical
>self-aware, but pretend not to be
They're everything I despise about religious people, it's fucking great. The fact that fluff-wise the demonic-er than average is just the cherry on top. Sick colors too, wine red and silver go hard together.
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>>94373013
Yeah but when I say "My CSM are Vashtorr-aligned" I don't have to deal with retarded cretins like >>94372912 who will screech NOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE BIONICS YOU'RE MODELING THEM WROOONG"
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Is it true that nobody from /tg/ has ever successfully submitted even a short story to black library?
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>>94373023
Why do you care what others will screech about?
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>>94373012
Agreed. The Abominant should have been the bare minimum level of diversion from standard Knight designs, not the extent.
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>>94373025
Why would anyone even want to?
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>>94373036
Because it's annoying, and I prefer to minimize my level of daily annoyance.
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>>94373041
Personal fame and glory. Getting your dick wet.
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>>94372912
>iron warriors are siege experts not machine god followers
You don't need to wank over the omnisiah to use bionics/cybernetics.
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>>94373025
I did
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>>94373023
That's fair.
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>>94372974
They already told Knights are banned ;)
Will read more about Orks.

Still open to advices on elite (more or less working) 1000 lists :)
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How did that go
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>>94373025

I'd rather submit a BL of Argel Tal and Kharn to a shojo magazine. They have significantly higher editorial standards than Black Library.
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>>94372797
-very expensive, like on the order of 2-3x the price for an equivalent size model of GW plastic, which is already expensive compared to other manufacturers

-worse casting quality. bubbly resin, mold slips, broken parts, bent handles, you name it. they are famous for poor quality control, and from what i heard the last few years they havent even been cleaning the layer lines of the prints they use to make the masters out of the final molds, my flgs reported getting print layer lines on some of his official forgeworld models.

-janky, often unsupported rules. their units can be overpowered or underpowered but rarely balanced, tend to go a long time without updates, get relegated to legends so they require opponents permission to field, and can sometimes be removed from the game without warning.

ultimately they are known for producing boutique collector pieces in an already boutique game, but their price is outrageous and their quality is much poorer than you would expect
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>>94372970
That's cool and I'm going to steal the idea for my own dark mechanicum
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>>94373100
>>94373100
>>94373100

Some retard made a new thread (not me)
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>>94373166
He's a newfag, ignore the thread and stay here.
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>>94373077
You can go for Armour Heavy Space Marines.
A solid 1k list for less than 30 models.
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>>94371816
>Nice looking.
Custode anon doesn’t have very good pics but that lime green is an even flatter than sallyfag’s. Say what you will about his colour choice but there’s at least some variety and depth to his models. Spraying everything all one colour does not a good scheme make.
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>>94373166
I would prefer to pretend that thread does not exist
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>>94372964
grey knights are elite and and brain dead easy to paint
> look quite boring and whole tactic is about rolling 2+ or 4+
thats every elite army
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>>94373240
What's the cutoff for an elite army versus a hoard army? I know a lot of armies can be run as either, but what armies can only be run as elite or can only be run as a hoard?
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>>94372823
>>94372841
>>94373150
got it. why dont gw just make those models themselves?
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>>94372415
I’m playing another game before the end of the week lol. It still seems crazy to me that 99% of people in this hobby play less than once a month. Why have plastic army men if you never use them?
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>>94372415
Be wary of a batrep tonight because I've got a game in a few hours.
How's the Lion? Opponent said he's gonna use him because I've never fought dark angels before.
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>>94373269
Designing and fabricating good plastic models is not a quick and easy process, especially since GW refuses to enlarge their operations.
Their actual company asset value is ridiculously small compared to their market share.
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>>94373283
Expansion is risk, why bother?
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>>94373271
>that poor sally dreadnought in the back looking at his replacement
agingdoglookingatnewpuppy.jpg
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>>94373288
It's not really a risk when the expansion is just you buying a new factory and then shoving in plastic injections machines you already use.
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>>94372964
6 inceptors
10 scouts
1 techmarine
1 gladiator lancer
1 gladiator reaper
1 redemptor dread
1kpts with no chance of getting squatted.
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>>94373292
I was using him as a reference Cus there’s a dead crisis suit in the scheme of my new dudes on his base lol.
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Do chaos fleets use or meed mavigators? Its not like daemons will just let you pass through the Warp no matter who you are but i don't see how a navigator would be able to survive more than a second in the eye od terror
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>>94373271
From my experience, three main factors:
1. Need car to reach LGS at more convenient times. Friends also live far away.
2. Knowing the rules.
3. WAACfags also not fun to play with. I don't care if a person wants to play well, but blatantly following tourneylists and being a very poor sport when losing anyways is meh.

Thinking on it I could also include time investment but I and no one else I know IRL has made that specific complaint.
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Here is an actual new 40kg thread

>>94373348
>>94373348
>>94373348
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>>94373305
Nope, market might slip and then you’re out a couple million dollars for no reason. Better to just abuse the semi artificial scarcity of your product and keep jacking up the prices. GW COULD make more money overall by reducing prices and expanding production, but might not. Better safe than getting yelled at by a shareholder.
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>>94373337
Chaos navigators are far far more resilient and accurate than imperium navigators. The imperium relies on the god emperor to be a lighthouse in the darkness. Chaos navigators can see through the dark themselves.

Not to mention possessed marines. They're the best navigators hands down because it's a literal daemon showing you the way. Which means the demon is never wrong.
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>>94373269
sometimes they do. forgeworld has been brought more in house than it used to be, and many horus heresy kits which used to be resin are being remade in plastic.

the resin these days is mostly just used for 1 off units or upgrade kits. the reason being that resin is a cheaper material and process to cast in than machining a plastic injection mold
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>>94373271
id play more if people actually changed their lists up more often
certain people aren't even worth asking for games because even if you say you want to fuck around with lower power stuff they'll bring the same optimal list in the best meta detachment that will only see change when the points change
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Tau women are sluts for kroot cock
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>>94371248
No I hate Heresy stuff because it got GW to put ADB and his eternally-unresolved psychological issues over 40K
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>>94371137

>read Horus Heresy stuff
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>read Horus Heresy stuff
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>read Horus Heresy stuff
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>>94371853
If you think the beast masters aren't getting the axe along retinues you're being delusional, that leaves special characters, Grotesques as the only thing left.
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>>94371919
They already told us the twolost primarchs were brothers... But then again "there has always been female custodes"
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>>94372433
What makes this a slow season compared to what you experienced before?
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>>94373307
can i combine this with the dark angels battleforce
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>>94372547
im personally planning to bash cataphractii with some csm stuff I have lying around
in the Iron Within animation the IW termie lord was basically just an understated version of the typical csm termie lord, I thought it worked pretty well
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Anyone have the 2e Codex Imperialis PDF?



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