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Stuffed eldar edition

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>Previous thread:
>>94373348 #

>Thread question:
What is your favorite factions to group together?
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Is there any place where I can find out a more broad way that the Imperial Guardsmen are trained in narrative? It seems to be pretyy different depend on the planet or even by story, but I'm writing one right now with the intent of presenting it to GW to get it published and would like a more GW approved lore explanation.

Any help would be appreciated.
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>>94384689
It genuinely varies from world to world. We know that fortress world Cadia (now destroyed) trains Cadians since they are children to be soldiers. It is basically space Sparta if you think about it.

>with the intent of presenting it to GW to get it published and would like a more GW approved lore explanation.
If you want my advice (here it is anyways): Just look up "Hypno-Indoctrination" and say that covers the mental training and lessons to maintain weapons, hand to hand combat techniques etc. And then the physical training begins.
It is a cop out but it might be a good one.
I don't think that GW has officially touched on the training of imperial guardsmen and what they go through in detail.
>with the intent of presenting it to GW to get it published
What is your story going to be about? Don't be afraid as BL is pretty much hated here.
Do you take story suggestions?
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Just got my Kill Team pre order from Games Workshop, some of the models came partially broken should I try to email Games Workshop or is it not worth the effort, I can always glue shit back together.
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>>94382038
>Thanksgiving
Get fucked op
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>>94384784
Email GW with pictures. Hope that their customer service is as good as it is allegedly said to be. Wouldn't hurt to try.

>round sprues
Rip sprue bricks for basing.
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>>94384784
You can try. They used to give you a new box and even a blister. Now Im sure you'll just get a picture of Kevin Roundtree's asshole on a copy machine.
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>>94384821
Yeah the box has holes in it lol. Otherwise everything else looks good. I've bought small Warhammer stuff on Ebay that was better packaged than this.
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>>94384689
Is that your lop rabbit
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>>94382038
Unironically this picture is what's wrong with 40k lore in a nutshell. "Only War" is the name of the game, but you have to be fighting *for* something to care about it and 40k has such little emphasis on actual life or what people are fighting to protect that the best thing the Warhammer Community Team could think to put on a Thanksgiving table is guns. It would be like if Fallout had one of these and the table was full of bobbleheads.
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>>94384900
States fight to secure their own existence, anything else is just propaganda given to soldiers to get them to throw their lives away.
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>>94384904
Idk senpai. It's a little different if green space barbarians have come to eat your wife and turn your village into mad max.
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>worse than random 3d print files
GW pls
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>>94382038

Actual previous thread:
>>94382035
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*soft dejected moos*
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How do you effectively spy on xenos in 40k? Or I guess spy in general? If I'm in deep cover and I need an astropath to send a message to someone in his known network, that makes it incredibly difficult to get any intel out. Likewise, how do you plant spies in what is basically a galactic race war?
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>>94384689
Varies heavily by regiment to the point where there is no such thing as "standard".
Some are conventional "modern day" military with civilian recruitment -> training camp -> deployment pipeline, some are conscripted from quasi-primitive warrior cultures where everyone past 10 is a hardened killer and just needs to be taught how to shoot a lasgun, some are from fortress worlds where everyone past 10 is both a hardened killer AND knows how to shoot a lasgun.
For what is worth, majority of civilized imperial worlds base their military organisation structure, wargear and training regimens on Cadia, so think being born and raised IN westpoint, but with instructors being authorized to issue death penalty.
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>>94384977
Don't you mean *soft dejected bleating*?
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>>94384987
one is a cow
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>>94385016
Beastmen are goats.
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>>94385020
not all of them
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>>94385022
Read that in "not yet" voice.
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>>94385020
beastmen in fantasy had the forms of any forest dwelling animal, gors were just the most common
in 40k 'Beastmen are known for possessing the heads, legs and cloven hooves of various mammals, the most common of which are usually the heads of cows or goats'
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>Scrolling through computer
>Find a not!40k homebrew system I was working on
>Saw I got lazy, only did like 10 units, not even the war gear or rules were completed
>Now got a project to do today
You guys got any homebrewed stuff?
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>>94384827
Bros I tried to glue the little cylinder thing back on the plague caster's arm in a fit of rage and I got glue all over my hand and the model, when I pulled my fingers away one of them was glued to my model and now I have a bit of my skin glued to the model :(, I guess it fits the theme of death guard?
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>>94384796
DC don't like being surrounded.
Or fighting an equivilant number of melee specialists like Chosen, who have better weapons.
Or generally just charging into anything that Fights First.
If I were the BA player I'd be trying to keep those genestealers from surrounding my dudes and whittle them down with fire from Storm Speeders and Dreads. A Baal Predator might be really good too. In fact, it might even be ideal.
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>>94384977
Source?
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>>94385028
You are correct, I concede.
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>>94385042
Mossacanibalis on twitter. Very based gook, be advised.
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So the IG codex comes out in a couple months, and the detachments are likely to be:
>combined arms
>artillery company
>armored company
>infantry company
>mechanized company
>scions company

If you had to guess, what do you think the rules for the mechanized company will be? Free advance and shoot? More OC for transports?
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>>94385072
Hopefully something like leave a transport that moved (and maybe assault)
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>>94385085
there aren't a great many things in the IG range that you would want to assault with out of a transport. Bullgryn, I guess. Just about everything else would rather not give the other guy a free fight phase to do damage in.

I guess it would let you stretch to get on objectives and deny primaries, assuming the infantry don't absorb too much damage from that fight.
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>>94385028
Were kroxigors given the -gor suffix because early imperial explorers to the New World thought they were just another beastman variant?
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>>94385072
>Combined Arms
Bred & butter of Guard
>Artillery Company
HAH! After all the nerfs indirect got, not happening
>Armored Company
Sole reason for tank points skyrocketing until they neef it to shit (tank points will not go down)
>Infantry Company
Will win a major game then be irrelevant for the rest of 10th
>Mechanized Company
Rolled into Armored and replaced with
>Death Korps Company
Overtuned to hell to sell plastic
>Scions Company
Deep strike meme strats
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>>94385123
Retard
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>Once a pretty fun guard faction
>Then got used to make Krieg models
>Then Krieg started to get their own resin models
>Then left to the wayside as plastic krieg came along
>Even lost Yarrick
Sons of armageddon... will we ever get our time again? Same to other guard companies that can now only be made with old recasts or third party.
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they seriously thought this would sell kroot
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>>94385164
it did
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>>94385164
Whats wrong with it?
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>>94385174
they look like kappa
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>>94385178
Isnt that how kroot always looked
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>>94385178
>The Japanese mecha faction has a youkai sub-faction
how is this a problem
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>>94384900
This is why I find Abnett's imperium that kinda sucks but is still better than suicide for the most part. It's way more compelling.
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>>94385185
auxiliaries all being yokai based might actually be a cool idea
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>>94385169
it didn't lmao
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>>94385140
My own actual dogshit opinion: it's a blessing in disguise.

The sculpts for these models are excellent, and because they are a non-plastic range, they can be adapted to proxy in for any of the named, codex units datasheets so long as you have weapon swaps for them. You can run them as catachans, as cadians, or as kriegers and it's not as off-putting to the opponent because the models are none of those things, and therefore are stand-ins instead of contradictions. A steel legion datasheet would be cool, but also pigeon-holing.

Would I want new sculpts? Sure, but I haven't liked all that many of the modern sculpts GW has been putting out more than these. Really all I care about are some transport-friendly rules that reward you for the massive investment in light/medium vehicles.
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>>94384920
Those ARE 3d print files.
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Hate resin, if only they made plastic versions of those resin only models.
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>>94384984
I dont think worlds copying cadia means they do the born soldier stuff
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>>94385194
>No sexy kitsune auxillary
This fucking sucks dude
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>>94385211
>no sexy squirrel auxillary
nigga that's nuts!
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>>94385215
>no busty cowgirl auxillary
puts me in a sad moooood.
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>>94385200
Making each planet's regimental infantry their own datasheet was such a mistake.
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>>94385200
Based, but I guess I am projecting my butthurt how much gw has dropped in supporting guard that aren't cadians. I get it, most of these were made with third party in mind to begin with but we know how GW treats that these days.

>>94385224
Also this as well, god damn why is this a thing.
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>>94385224
I agree. Peak IG was the 4th ed codex where you customized your regiment by picking a combination of 5 traits. Named regiments were just expressed as having a specific combination of 5.

>>94385227
IG was adapted into a catch-all range in 2nd/3rd ed to try to capture ww2 historical gamers and pop culture IPs. Now that GW doesn't have to fight for players any more, the need for historical-themed regiments is gone. Honestly I think if they could justify it, they'd squat catachans at this point and just stick with cadian/krieg.
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>>94385224
They could have just renamed them and been basically fine
>Cadian shock troops
Shock troops
>Catachan jungle fighters
Guerillas
>Infantry squad
Could be the same or could be light infantry
>Death korps of krieg
The only hard one, the squad should have been engineers but it's not.

But yea, i always wished for more types of guard infantry specialists. I got monkey pawed hard with these 4 nearly identical squads we have now.
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>>94385194
are you sure about that
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>>94385244
Yeah
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>>94385227
If 10th edition wasn't allergic to choice and fluff, they could have most of these regiments supported either by a wargear option to certain units.
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>>94385241
>Tfw started my army back when vets could take things like carapace armour or camo cloaks
>I naively imagined a future where this system would be expanded out to other units
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>>94385250
*Forgot an entire sentence
or by rules that support how that regiment uses tactics. Alas the detachment system does not allow such a thing.
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>>94385241
No one even likes catachans.
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>>94385259
the pathetic cope of the desperate kriegfag
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>>94385243
Infantry Squad's a holdover from past editions. It should be
>Cadians
All-arounders & mission doers
>Catachans
Melee & ambush units
>DKOK
Elite Battleline to soak up damage
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>>94385260
I'm not really a kriegfag.
In fact I think the plastic krieg utterly ruined the design and have no interest in them at all.
But no, no one cares about catachans. They are dumb.
People want things like steel legion or vostroyans.
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>>94384977
what are the big animals next to them?
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>>94385262
secondaries who won't buy the models even if they released might want those
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In a theoretical timeline where primaris were still released but not made into aspect warriors for marines, what kind of war gear do you think would be reasonable for Phobos and Gravis armour? Should they have sub-war gear based on the armour type like termiantors used to get way back in the day when they were an upgrade?
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>>94385267
Puppers
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>>94385278
>nooo don't insult my generic german and russian regiments or you're a pedophile
seethe
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>>94385267
Grox, the pillar of food security in the Imperium. Huge, dumb, fiercely territorial and extremely aggressive reptilians but can survive on little more than bare rocks and have delicious meat. Normally need to be lobotomized to be anywhere near viable as a livestock animal.
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More japanese mecha look like eldar mechs than Tau battlesuits. Prove me wrong, blueberry gooners.
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>>94385306
I don't have to prove you wrong, you're genuinely delusional
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>>94385285
not very nice to be pissing in the livestock's food. Could ruin the quality of the meat.
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>Less lethality
>Translator's note: For MEQ
Is there any way to solve this other than trying to convince more people to buy non-marine armies? That still would have an unintended consequence of 9th editon which was shit was legitimately too lethal.
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>>94385311
no seriously, I am autistic to the bone for this point. I've spazzed out over this before. Is it just the heads? I don't get it.
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yeah, yeah, armageddon has fine models, krieg are over-rated, yadda yadda yadda, where're the Maccabians?
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>>94382038
Could a .22lr, if shot from point blank into the bare and unexposed head of a Space Marines, be enough to kill it, or are their domes so thick with worship and reverence to the God Emperor that it would merely bounce?
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is the lion good at 285 points
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>>94385344
It would lightly bruise them and in most cases piss them off enough to liquefy your arm
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>>94385344
Their bones are fortified with ceramite, so if you hit the skull, a 22lr isn't gonna do much. Aim for the eyesocket, then you may do some damage.
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>>94385315
what does MEQ mean?
>hobby enjoyer that doesn't actually play
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>>94385377
Marine equivalent, basically anything with a similar statline to a space marine.
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>>94385377
Marine EQuivalent, so a toughness 4 infantry unit with a save of around 3+. GEQ is Guardsman EQuivalent (toughness 3 with a 5+ save).
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I wish chaos was real
I'd worship Khorne
>>94384982
The Imperium has all kinds of shit. Look up polymorphine, it's a drug the Callidus assassins use to shape shift into whatever they want. And basically if the Imperium can assassinate you they can spy on you.
There's also psychic tomfoolery. The Dante novel has a bit about the Blade of Vengeance's war room being warded against scrying
>The noise of steel on steel penetrated the gloom. The scrape of a key as long as an arm entering a lock designed to hold shut not just doors of earthly plasteel, but the gates of reality. Intersecting psychic null fields ensured no psyker or sorcerer could scry what went on within the chamber.
And they can also just do it the old fashioned way if the operation permits. Relay information to your superior via vox and they relay it further to HQ via astropath or whatever the situation calls for. Servo skulls have cameras in them, stick one in an air vent lol.
Certain factions like Eldar, Nids and Chaos outside of cults are probably not easy to spy on, but the Tau for example have been infiltrated by assassins before so espionage is not out of the realm of possibility. What's more a point of contention is that the Imperium doesn't really have a lot of reasons to spy on things. They either glass it or get glassed. If they're suspicious of humans they just send the inquisition, no spying necessary when you can shove your fist up the galaxy's ass
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Reminder that this fucking kit sucks.
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>>94385379
>>94385383
thanks anons, appreciate it. maybe I'll use one of my armies someday.
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>>94385389
I disagree, this dude is great.
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>>94385394
The sculpts are fine. The kit sucks.
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>>94385395
NTA but I'd wager the 4th ed one had better sculpts as well. Modern ork faces are small and their jaws recessed.
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Are there any chaplain sculpts that look close to this guy? Preferably without a jump pack?
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>>94385452
nope
kitbash or 3d print
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>>94385394
if only big shootas were any good. cant remember the last time i saw them in an army list
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>>94385484
what if you used them for fun
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>>94385227
>Ork invasion
>Our cities ablaze
>PDF Defeated
>3 weeks later see valkyries in the sky
>Dozens of ships descending from the heavens
>Thank the Emperor
>It's naked tattoo'd blokes with lasguns
>It's the fucking Tangar Wood Warriors
>They get Krump'd
>Oh.
>2 weeks later Astartes show up
>Kill the Ork Warboss in 30 minutes, causing Ork civil war for leadership
>Space Marines leave within an hour of arriving over the planet
>3 weeks later, Orks have regrouped
>Here we go again...
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>>94385571
woad
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>>94385582
Gesundheit
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is gw ever making athonian tunnel rats?
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>>94385602
lmao, no
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>>94385377
Men Eat Quiche
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>>94385613
Has not-gw made tunnel rats?
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>>94385626
maybe, idk, most of what I can find are very expensive conversions for a single unit
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>>94385631
shame...
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>>94385626
https://youtu.be/bcq9vnArpfs
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>>94384977
*happy grox noises*
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>>94385543
oh you can certainly do that, but you need as much anti tank as you can get, and big shootas arent gonna do shit against a leman russ
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>>94384977
This is a fetish thing right?
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>>94385664
Misery porn.
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>>94385671
Emphasis on the porn.
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I swear to god if the guard box gets announced the moment I buy a christmas box I'm gonna piss and shit and maybe cum I'll get back to you on that.
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>No special weapons at all
ree
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>>94384977
call me desentisized, but Dairy Cow's Life was worse
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>>94385680
cant wait for you to get back to us about this episode you might have anon
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>>94385680
>buying battleforce boxes in the first place
lmao
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>Tank Commander (Warlord) (Grand Strategist)
>Tank Commander
>Tank Commander
>Enginseer
>Enginseer
>Rogal Dorn
>Rogal Dorn
>Rogal Dorn
>Banesword
How's this for a nice & simple 2k point army list?
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I don't get it, why can't you attach any HQ model to the Devastators anymore? What, were they afraid someone will get an extra rule on those four lascannons? Am I missing some potentially broken combination?

It feels like the more datasheets they add to bloat the codex the less player expression options we get.
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>>94385723
Firstborn don't want to be mogged by chadmaris so refuse to have one lead their chudvastation squad
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>>94385727
You can attach characters to tactical squads.
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>>94384977
I like mossa and I usually don't mind fetish fuel but this is too on the nose.
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>>94384977
My favourite mutant is the porcupine girl in one of the Eisenhorn books.
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>>94385723
Devastators are being sent to legends. The reddit nerf gun marines are their replacement.
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>>94385768
This is a good thing
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Any good guard commander proxies that look more like this? Surrounded by data readouts and shit rather than holding up a sword.
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>>94385112
Its based off aligator
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Best factions for heavy kitbashing?
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>>94385799
guard
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>>94385387
>i wish chaos (khorne) was real
It is, its called islam
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>>94385797
Then shouldn't it be kroxitor or kroxigator then?
>Caprigors (goat beastmen)
>Bovigors (bovine beastmen)
>Centigors (centaur beastmen)
>Pestigors (nurgle beastmen)
>Tzaangors (tzeentch beastmen)
>Khorngors (khorne beastmen)
>Slaangors (slaanesh beastmen)
So, kroxigors (crocodile beastmen) would fit into the naming convention.
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I found the felinid model:
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okay how exactly do you use these shits?

the overwhelmingly popular weapon option seems to be the grav cannons, which only have 18" range. the only transport they can use is a land fortress and they take up practically the whole damn thing just to scoot 3 of them around, they cant take a teleport crest leader for deepstrike, and they're slow as shit and not particularly tough

are people really just trundling these awkward fucks up the board 5 inches at a time until someone has the good manners to get in range of their basically pistol range cannons? or are you really shelling out 220pts just to transport an MSU squad of them?
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>>94385834
You lube them up and put them where they belong - up your prolapsed tranny anus.
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>stripped close to 60 orks today
>most of the paint came off, apart from a few
>those few had several layers of paint on the skin
>green comes off, then white, then a beige colour, and then black, which refuses to come off

its just so tiring bros, whatever black these people are using is a fucking pain to strip
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>>94385834
There's always the option of just regular strategic reserves, and honestly if you have nothing else to put in a land fortress it's not the worst thing ever since the fort gives them really your only source of re-rolls to wound in the army. If you're interested in the in-depth math on all the options and scenarios there's a guy who goes into autistic detail about Votann as his main thing.

https://youtu.be/WdWCozi4vPA?si=pQ-ZYfyt5xxpLO3j
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>>94385848
Try superclean
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>>94385848
just keep it on, it's your new basecoat
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>>94385855
alright, i'll give that a look, thanks
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>>94385848
Paint black orks.
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>>94385867
Another thing to consider; if you take an iron master to lead them they won't be able to fit in a transport anymore since all of his cogs and ironkin count towards your transport capacity.
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>>94385874
regarding coherency and transport, could you just like not embark a few of the cogs and have them blow up to make it fit?
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>>94385848
that black might be an actual primer which will be way more stubborn than normal paint
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>>94385682
You realize the stl set comes with more/optional parts that are not shown there?
You also realize that you can just combine other sets of that very same guard regiment with those bodies for even more variety?
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>>94385906
It doesn't.
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>>94385884
Maybe? I honestly have no idea.
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Do you like melee being an all or nothing thing? What I mean by this is the incentive to kill an enemy unit in one turn of combat or get fucked up by shooting when they fall back
>Wrap around them to force desperate escape bro
Not always viable to do so.
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>>94385848
Acetone will remove that
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>>94385952
>Do you like melee being an all or nothing thing?
Kinda? sacrificing a cheap or past its use unit to tie up something more deadly for a turn has its uses though. When I think of "all or nothing" in regards to melee I think of charge rolls, which do annoy me. Like obviously it's a dice game, but gating melee from even participating in the game behind a 2D6 roll is obnoxious when shooting just works as long as you're in range.
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>>94385987
What's funny is that back in ye ole 2nd edition, it was 2x your movement. Now, it was balanced that you had to declare it in your movement phase, it being the last thing to move and you couldn't pre-measure.
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>>94385995
>and you couldn't pre-measure.
Yeah thats just homosexual
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>>94385996
>Not pre measuring is sexy
What?
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>>94386000
uh oh self report
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>>94385995
I could imagine how long combat would've gotten if they stuck to the old rules but still had the attack/model bloat that we have now.
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>>94385996
Nothing was pre-measure back then. Declare your marines shooting at my termgants, whoops they're 25" away, your bolters do nothing.

I do miss the way we did Inderect Fire back then though.
>40 inches....that way!
>shot lands exactly on top of target
>roll scatter dice
>2D6 the other way
>lands on top of your troops
>Well, fuck.
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How good is the Barrel of Monkeys army in 10e?
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>>94386010
I miss stuff like the wargear cards and the psychic cards
and pulsa rokkits
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>>94386003
Wasn't 2E "number of attacks" = number of D6 to roll which gave you your actuall attacks, the for each one you had to roll off against your opponent D6+WS or something and each one you won was +1 hit or something? Then Parries = forced rerolls? Am I remembering this shit right?
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>>94386022
pretty sure it was something like that
all I remember was as a kid I had nazdreg and he'd usually lose to my mates dante
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>>94386022
It was
>You and opponent roll d6 equal to the number of attacks
>You add weapon skill and any other combat modifiers (Like the opponent gets +1 for each model that is facing you).
>1's added one to your opponents score
>6's added one to your score
>Whoever won the highest score, whatever they won by is how many hits were scored
>Then you do wound and save rolls as normal.
And yeah parry forced your opponent to reroll. So imagine this convoluted scheme with 11 attack blood angel captain into a full 20 man horde of orkz. Crazy combat score numbers.
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>>94386035
I should say "an additional 1".
Also the fact that in 10th also has sustained hits on melee now which is another kettle of fuckery to this theory craft about what would happen if they stuck to this melee system but everything else of the game stayed the same.
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>>94386039
One of the problems with Sustained Hits is that it gets confusing whe you have other shit like Lethal Hits or Crits or ehatever and the it gets weird like the original triggering hit gets the bonus but the Sustained one doesn't etc.
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>>94386039
Speaking of sustained hits, anyone remember how sustained fire used to work and how nutty the terminator assault cannon could possibly be: Either jamming for the entire fucking game or spewing 10 shots at s8 with a save modifier of -3?
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>>94385664
Yes.
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>>94386072
I think you rolled 3 dice, the total number is the number of shots. But you get 2 jams and think it doesnt fire, you get 3 jams andit fucking EXPLODES IN YOUR FACE
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>>94386048
>One of the problems with Sustained Hits is that it gets confusing whe you have other shit like Lethal Hits
Having both makes it easier and faster, my guy. You just count your 6s and thats how many autowounds you have, then roll the dice you already have. No need to add any.
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>>94386083
That's it, in a game where most weapons fired one shot that shit was nutty.
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Obliterators should have a long range, Lascannon-style profile on their guns
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>>94386100
I am in a pickle with Oblits, where I hate the look of the new oblits but every third party proxy I like comes in 3's, meaning to satiate my autism I need to order two of them to have 3x2 of them.
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4 player Boarding Action is the most fun I have had with this shit game in years. Too bad it's gated behind a giant expensive terrain set
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>>94385799
Da Orks
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>>94385799
Orks are the easy answer, I'm sure you could do some interesting stuff with Chaos, GSC and Dark Eldar Covens though
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>>94386119
>Too bad it's gated behind a giant expensive terrain set

Or, you know, you make your own...
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okay, lets imagine for a second they refactor all the ranges of ranged weapons in the game.

shit like lasguns and autoguns down to 12", bolters down to 18", autocannons 24", lascannons, missile launchers 30", absolute longest range weapons 36". bring shit down to a reasonable level where most ranged weapons in the game arent deployment zone to deployment zone.

does this improve the overall health and fun of the game? or do people like having to choke the table with L shapes to avoid cross table turkey shoots? assume melee units get reigned in to compensate so they dont just suddenly steamroll.
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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
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>Black Templar

>He's Black
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>>94386139
No, they should just remove shooting ranges for anything bigger than a pistol altogether. If its in line of sight, it can be shot. Tables are too small anyway.
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>>94386161
You're honestly probably onto something. EC getting updated in response to Eldar should lead to Dark Eldar
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>>94386161
Speaking of Dark Eldar, I was fucking around with their 3rd edition codex and I forgot the shit they could put onto their character units and the fact an Archon could be protected by both an incubi squad and Drazhar.
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>>94385818
That's a wolf, retard.
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>>94386166
Retard alert
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>>94385799
Orks, vanilla CSM, Black Templars, GSC
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>>94386162
that's normal, there's no chapter in the entire galaxy without blacks
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>>94385389
It should have been 20 orks if they wanted to do monopose. 9 sluggas, 9 shootas, 2 nobz
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>>94386191
why
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>>94386169
It was a simpler time. And a much less simplified time.
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>>94386161
they dont need much. Just Rakarth, Grotesques, a walker pain engine, repackage wracks into 10, and maybe a centrepiece kit like Tantalus. maybe a court of the archon, or trueborn kit.

squat beast packs for all i care.
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>>94386204
It also just made me make a 3rd edition nid list as well and I seriously forgot how easy but how in depth a 3rd edition nid list was.
As "balanced" 10th is (arguable), list building has become so boring now despite all of these new models and basically less restrictions.
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I strip my models with methylated spirits and it works well but requires a lot of scrubbing. Is there a way to get the paint off with less scrubbing, or none at all? Do I just need to soak them longer? I've only been doing 30-45 minute bursts.
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>>94386204
You lads reckon dark eldar gonna finally get a new Vect model this edition?
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>>94386218
(For context I am not entirely lazy, I just have 80+ Orks I painted as a kid I wanna redo.)
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>>94386218
buy a sonicare toothbrush. Soak your shit for a day and then just rub that mechanical oscillation machine over them for 2 minutes. Rinse and repeat.
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>>94386198
relaxing isn't allowed in the imperium


also this bladeguard nigga uses an axe for some reason
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>>94386224
No. Vect is getting memory holed. Rakarth is up next. He's the only character with current rules that doesn't have a plastic model.
And there are like five other characters that used to have rules and also don't have models that they would do before Vect.
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>>94386217
Yeah, as much as it might streamline the games in actual play I think it misses a fundamental part of the hobby which is that the idea of your army and the fantasy of how they interact with other armies is the actual appeal of the game more than how they actually perform.
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>>94386209
Finish the chart
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>>94386169
Customizable characters is the most tragic loss of modern Warhammer. All the other stuff we've lost is sad, but the character building with war gear and traits was like the soul of an army.
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i hate my life
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Ooooo, so exciting.
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>>94386273
uh oh eldartranny melty
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>>94382038
I god damn DESPISE what has happened to Yvraine, she has been entirely reduced to a Eldar Waifu figure for Guilliman just because she's a woman and has become the butt of so many jokes after she came into contact with him like twice and their interactions were barely anything at all. You wouldn't believe the amount of newcomer questions I get sometimes in a few public 40k servers I'm in where a guy actually asks if Guilliman and Yvraine are in a romantic relationship or that it should be made "canon" unironically. It has gotten to the point where if you mention Yvraine at all the only thing you'll get back these days are her getting banged by a Primarch and that is the only important thing about her, that shes just a walking talking female elf with big tits :/

I know none of this is ever going to go away and I'm not really expecting it to knowing how the 40k fandom works, but it just makes me bummed out seeing what happened to her after such a passage of time so excuse my keyboard-bitching lol
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>>94386306
Fuck off you boring baiting retard. Why the fuck are you so desperate for attention? Really ask yourself that.
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>>94386217
>Building a TOW list recently
>Tfw all those wargear options for every single guy.
It just captures my imagination way more having those options. Makes me want to buy models too.
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>>94386306
GW fumbled really fucking hard with the Ynnari it is utterly embarrassing. If you went back in time to pre-teen me during 4th edition that GW were making a faction that allowed you to mix and match craftworld and dark eldar with a death theme I would've thought that would be the coolest shit ever until I saw what they actually did with the models and found out the reason why they were attempting it. What a fucking shit show, there could've been 1000 ways of doing it but nope.
At least I got a cool Archon from it.
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>>94386306
is this a reddit copypasta or something?
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>>94386218
get a cheap ultrasonic cleaner from one of the chinesium sites, works like a charm
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>>94386325
And I think that's the big problem, the way 10th is set up it makes you think of things as pure statblocks rather than actual soldiers on the battlefield with a strategy of their squad. Anyone claiming this was the norm years ago can fuck right off. While WAACfaggotry existed, most people were making <their-doods> and smashing it against <other-doods> making their own battle in the 41st millenium, growing and kitting out their soldiers. The fact that people don't buy models that they like or enjoy being able to make it their own but instead buy models because "They got good stats" shits me to high heaven.
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>>94384977
I still think longshanks are meant to be giants
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>>94386338
sounds like you're mad people don't play the game like you do lol. not everyone gives a fuck about the minis or the armies or even the setting and they just want to play a competitive tabletop war game that actually has a playerbase. personally I enjoy painting and collecting as much as playing but not everyone gives a fuck
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>>94386364
I guess. It's just not what I was used to 20+ years ago, there has definitely been a shift in the playerbase and whether or not that is objectively good cannot be answered, subjectively it rubs me the wrong way.
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>>94386364
Shut up fag
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>>94385252
>back when vets could take things like carapace armour or camo cloaks
you mean the 5th edition book?
fun fact; the 3.5e guard codex let you do that for your full army.

Carapace on all your infantry? 20 points per unit
Cameleoline? 10 points per unit
Drop troops? Mechanized? Infiltrate spam? All also possible.
The side effect was that certain specialized units (stormtroopers, psykers, ogryn, special weapons squads, etc) ate into your doctrine points so you had to pick things carefully.

>>94385241
>Peak IG was the 4th ed codex
that was actually the second 3rd edition codex. It came out juuust before 4th edition (2003, 4th edition came out in 2004).

Peak of the chapter approved variant list/unit era. The 4th edition space marine codex with its custom chapters borrowed heavily from the IG's doctrine system.
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How do people run eldar nowadays? Double avatar with Fire Prisms? No other unit seems to do damage but they're so expensive you end up like 3 trash squads that die to a light breeze to score with.
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>>94386345
Longshanks are just slendermen but with a face.
There's no proper giants in 40k as far as we know. Like giants how they are in WHF or in AoS.
Closest thing to giants in 40k MIGHT be the ogryn subspecies known as H.S. Gigantus Gigantus. (Normal ogryns are named Homo Sapience Gigantus, and they are anywhere 2.5-3 meters tall, so H.S. Gigantus Gigantus would be bigger given its name)
But however, there has been no actual images or descriptions given of the H.S. Gigantus Gigantus, we know nothing about it besides that it exists.
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>>94385387
>What's more a point of contention is that the Imperium doesn't really have a lot of reasons to spy on things.
Anon, read on the Sabbat Worlds Crusade, Imperial Intelligence might as well have been a proragonist there, and they DEFINITELY kept close tabs on all the relevant Imperium, Chaos and Xenos forces there.
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>>94386119
Didn't know it existed. Thanks anon
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how do i avoid getting btfo’d by fire prisms
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>>94385344
Could cause some damage if aimed at the weak parts of the skull like the temples, but otherwise probably not. Shooting into the eye socket has the best chance to kill a marine like that.
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>>94386414
>>94386437
fire prisms are a meme and a crutch for shitty players
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>>94385285
>the pillar of food security in the Imperium.
Thought that was the previous workforce
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Has anybody worked out % wise what is the points inflation of the game per unit? Judging by my book of lists from 2nd-10th it feels like there are more units on the table but that's because there is no longer war gear which inflates the base cost of a unit.
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A question about Eldar; Craftworlders embed their souls into soulstones to protect against Slannesh and their populations are capped because of this. Dark Eldar excise their psychic capabilities and do heinous things to ward Slannesh off themselves. Is there some sort of middle ground? If a faction in the Craftworlders were to birth a child and immediately excise its psychic part would it still be claimed by Slannesh or could they ward it off somehow?
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Anyone got way to make the agents experience less miserable? It seems the only answer to people losing games is ‘take a knight’ at which point why aren’t I playing knights?
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>>94385306
Save for the EVAs I don't see any semblance between jap mechs and the wraith constructs.
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>>94386413
Yea. I fell in love with the idea of heavy armoured mech guard. And now I can't really do it.
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>>94386327
Literally yes. He posts it maybe once every week or two, check the archives.
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>>94386444
Not that 40k has intelligent enough world building for it to matter but that shit makes 0 sense. You'd end up with a population in constant rapid decline since the amount of food it takes to grow a human is a LOT more than the amount a human body provides.
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is it normal that it's taken me like 11 days to get this far? I didn't paint 1 or 2 of those days but these guys are really like pulling teeth. I like CSM but I'm starting to notice that a lot of GW models are just too detailed for no reason. I guess the close-up images you see online are what sells them and not how they look from 3 feet away on a table or your shelf, so they have to sculpt them to look good from close up since that's when we decide to buy.

I decided to say fuck it and wash it all down even though a lot of the metal trim parts have red on them and I figure I can just go back over it after the strong tone wash. hopefully it gets better after I do 1 round of highlights. I just hate making a mistake with these minefield-esque details. it's like half of the tchochkis just exists as a paitbrush hazard. I need to take a break from these complex sculpts.


anyway my progress has been super slow and I think it might take at least another 2 week since i've been going to bed early. i also want to get the nurgle battleforce and start on that after I finish this combat patrol (minus the possessed that I'm selling).
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>>94385036
you don't need the pegs. most people cut them off anyway
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>>94386413
I never quite got what the circular thing behind the Vulture cockpit is supposed to be. Looks like an engine, but that wouldn't make much sense considering the cockpit itself is blocking any air inflow, even if that shit could spin and do engine things.
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>>94386449
Then play knights.
The AoI as a playable faction is a meme, don't bother with it.
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>>94386449
Wait for them to add real units instead of kill teams
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>>94386224
If Vect gets a new model, you're just going to be mad that it was changed.
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>>94386442
well but what do i do against them
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>>94386491
Agents of the Imperium is probably getting axed in 11th, the faction and codex were a flop and GW clearly were phoning it in since they knew the codex only exists to give that Inquisition kill team a "home" in 40k.
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>>94386493
>mad that it was changed
It's not even been in production for like 15 years
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>>94386486
Its an air intake and it has plenty of airflow around the cockpit.
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>>94386505
You say it like that means anything to people who only want to complain about 40k.
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>>94386224
I'd rather the option of a generic Archon on a Dais. The recent obsession with named charactwr, while it has resulted in cool models like Ghaz, Angron and Abby, is very hostile to /yourdudes/.
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>>94386504
Imperial agents is also just a baffling choice for a faction in general when they have primarily existed as "Soup this into any imperium army that you want".
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>>94386485
Before this week I'd lambast you for falling for the citadel water pot meme but now I'm a convert. It makes cleaning brushes so much easier it's unreal
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>>94386523
>It makes cleaning brushes so much easier it's unreal
whats the difference
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>>94386510
I understand that you cope with people criticising some models by pretending they complain about all models regardless.
You are suffering from a pretty severe emotional stunting and need to detach your own sense of self from 40k, it should not bother you so much that it's too hard to face people not liking things head on.
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>>94386485
As newcomer, I think you're doing a good job. I always try ( try, mind you ) to not compare myself too much to others and simply enjoy the hobby. I do agree that modern models have way too many bloody details I can't just ignore and paint the same color as it's surroundings. Makes me excited to paint some older models actually.

>>94386523
This is the first time I'm seeing this pot what about it makes it better than the old mug I'm using?
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>>94386477
My impression is that corpse statch is less their staple food and more something necessary to round out the production and consumption numbers. Asin, not their main food, but something the Imperium would starve without.
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Why are there no examples at all of Thousand Sons painted like this official artwork?
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>>94386566
isnt that guy black legion
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>>94386566
because marinefags have a stunted and obsessive mind
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>>94386566
Because if.you paint them green some WAACfag will cry foul at a tournament and say you're painting for advantage to teick hom into thinking they're Death Guard.
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Give me some suggestions for neat Space Marine colours schemes
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>>94386138
If you want to play it properly there a lot of pieces with a lot of precise measurements plus hatches with open and closed states as well as ideally having a grid on your play area for convenience. Maybe there are 3d prints you can do but it's not something I think any sane hobbyist would undertake from scratch
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>>94386546
but I'm not a newcomer, i've been hobbying for almost 3 years...


>>94386523
my brother got it for free after I gave him some cash to buy me a kit at an LGS on his way home from work, so he gave it to me. it is indeed very nice

>>94386566
everything has to be uniform or else people will get confused, intimidated by a product they don't understand, and then not buy it.
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>>94386579
It's a Tzeentch marine by Adrian Smith so best guess would be Thousand Sons

>>94386586
Fuck them i like green/silver TS and non pink EC
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>>94386589
copy star wars stormtroopers or clone troopers and their ranks
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This may be a controversial take. GW needs to rethink the game mechanics entirely so that playing on planet bowling ball is viable and terrain is a bonus not a requirement.
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>>94386612
go play AOS
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>>94386612
how do you make planet bowling ball valid when I'm playing IG with 2 rogal dorns and a dozen leman russes staring your (melee) army down?
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So what's the purpose of the Primaris Repulsor Executioner if you can only carry up to six (6) Primaris marines. I'm assuming you could use it for your HQ and Retinue?
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>>94386612
correct

>>94386625
target priority rules
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>>94386486
>the cockpit itself is blocking any air inflow
it's just a big intake for the one big engine
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>>94386635
>target priority rules
So making the game even more boring than flat plain gayming already is
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>>94386625
Units in front of units block LoS
You can't shoot through friendly models
Penalties to hit at the far end of your range
Reduced shooting ranges, nothing beyond 36
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>>94385737
I think it was a fuck you to reddit for banning him from 40k subreddits
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>>94386658
>Units in front of units block LoS
>You can't shoot through friendly models
So its just a matter of layering your chaff correctly to get some tiny sliver of an angle, and fuck anyone who has a lower model count army?
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>>94386658
>Yeah no you can't shoot my dorn, there's a guardsman standing in front of it
honk honk
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>>94386679
You can always draw sightlines to vehicles and monsters over infantry. Only infantry get blocked by infantry.
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>>94386684
>You can always draw sightlines to vehicles and monsters over infantry
Oh so not solving the issue anon presented at all?
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>>94386118
Somebody make one with Lorgar, Vulkan and the Covenant of Fire.
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>>94385857
Not available in my country. IPA seems to be doing the job it's just these fucking black basecoats that are a pain

>>94385859
I'm planning on hitting all the skin with contrast so I can't really do that with a black bssecoat

>>94385868
We wuz warbosses n shieet

>>94385898
A bit weird of them to just prime the skin and weapon with it but the rest of the model isn't primed with black. Does primer properly bind to plastic? The citadel ones say there's acetone in them so I assumed it would be difficult to get off

>>94385965
Dont
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>>94386679
There's 10 guardsman and I have to deploy some anti infantry shooting to reduce your screen in order to see it
See now we are making tactical positioning decisions that aren't X shoots Y from across the table
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>>94386297
Looks worse than any EC stl set on cults
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Does a painboy not come with a separate grot model like the painboss? I'm gonna have to get some sort of 3rd party models to display it instead
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>>94386714
"I'm going to put my chaff in front" and "I'm going to shoot your screens" is not the deep tactical decision you think it is little bro
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>>94386700
Why not you, leech?
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>>94386714
>There's 10 guardsman and I have to deploy some anti infantry shooting to reduce your screen in order to see it
Ok so you fire any number of the billion S4 AP0 D1 guns that are ubiquitously available to every army THEN it becomes a turkey shoot? Unless your important models are vehicles in which case its already one because the LOS screen doesn't apply?
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>>94386720
The goal isn't depth, it's to imagine how a game could function without terrain
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>>94386718
He's got the grot on his back, holding a syringe.
You can also just use a regular grot model as a token. If you want him to look doctorly you can greenstuff a face mask onto him.
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>>94386731
>The goal isn't depth
Wow, you've truly sold me on the concept.
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>>94386589
Perhaps you could try an autumn color palette. (You know, since it's autumn). ornage for the main color, cream, bone or white for the secondary and bronze or copper for the trim.
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>>94386732
Apparently I'm supposed to put a token next to the painboy and take it away when the ability is used. Quite lame since we have grot oilers, ammo runts, an orderly for the painboss etc
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>>94386725
Reasons.
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>>94386715
post one you think is better
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>>94386742
Post your feet and I’ll deliver
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>>94386747
You rascal, buy me dinner first
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>>94386737
"Supposed to" is not equal to "have to".
It's a one-time use ability, the token just helps you remember it. Not one person will pitch a fit if you don't use one.
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Orks slapping their dick and balls on the faces of their defeated enemies as a sign of dominance.
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>>94386755
I think they’d sooner shove live victims up their shitter than slap their non existent genitalia on them.
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>>94386643
no, target priority rules make movement matter more, make generalist options matter more and make morale rules that affect a unit's positioning pivotal moments of a turn

the game as it stands is a glorified stat check where everything shoots its most ideal target if not for intervening terrain, which ends up getting standardised because the game otherwise simply doesn't work, which is why anon dismissed the idea completely with the gun line vs melee army scenario
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>>94386755
I'll slap my dick and balls on your face if you won't stop posting garbage here, you faggot
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Will the general get even gayer when ec gets announced?
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We need more chaos space marine games.
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>>94386755
Orks are non binary anon, they don't have sexual organs
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>>94386833
We are currently at max gay right now, see >>94386855
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>>94386855
All the good ones already have them
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>>94386736
orange and white is pretty nice
what happened to that guy with the orange and white marines anyway
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>>94386762
>no, target priority rules make movement matter more
Hmmm today I will.. not put my chaff in fron- oh I lost lol
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>>94386566
Not all chaos space marines dedicated to Tzeentch are Thousand Sons, anon. Go read the old codices.
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The battle forces are kind of combat patrol sized.
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>>94386916
Ah yes the 965pt combat patrol game
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>>94386920
I was talking about plastic but I think points wise they are still comparable with the cps that came from 2022 if you remove maybe 1 or 2 kits.
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>>94386920
Several of them have fewer points than the Custodes combat patrol
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What's the wildlife situation like on human populated planets in the 40k universe? Are there animals native to those planets, or are they all variants of things that humans brought with them when they colonized the system? Would the Imperium view them as regular animals, or Xenos scum to be exterminated?
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>>94386958
It varies. Both. Whatever the writer feels like. Most earth species are extinct though.
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>>94386736
>ornage
orange*
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>>94386958
Yes but also yes. Alien lifeforms aren't actually enemies unless they're intelligent or too dangerous
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>>94386855
NPC faction. Sorry!
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>>94386833
No, because GW is going to play EC incredibly safe and boring to avoid any controversy.
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>>94386986
We need more NPC factions. Too many trying to be main characters.
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>>94386993
That's fine, you just won't ever get secondary media.
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>>94386958
>old 40k
>horses, cows, dogs
>nu40k
>le grim dark animal stock, they are fed the bodies of dead babies, the pollution of the planet causes them to grow extra eyes and limbs, half the people who eat their meat die but le evil imperium considers it a price worth paying
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>>94387005
>>old 40k
>>horses, cows, dogs
Yet you queers bitch whenever someone is riding a horse
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>>94387010
huh wat u mean?
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>>94387014
I'm talking about the endless anal fissuring these guys cause
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>>94386991
what possible controversy could they create? they were never going to release Emperor's Children rape gangs with their dicks swinging in the air
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>>94386868
Shit himself over femstodes and left. He still shitposts occasionally.
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>>94387022
Those aren't horses.
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>>94387022
I like this. But I also like the thunderwolf cavalry, so what do I know?
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>>94387022
these guys are cool as fuck and I don't care how many people say otherwise
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>>94387041
Proof?
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>>94386855

I've thought about it before, you could do a X-com style Chaos Warband simulator. You play the leader of a Black Legion Warband and need to lie, cheat, and steal for all your resupply needs. You also need to make alliances with other Warbands, Dark Mech and Abbadon to make life easier, capture slaves, recruit, find a base of operations etc.

You get multiple endings on two spectrums depending on whether you went full Chaos corruption or decided to be a Chaos free renegade.
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>>94386414
2nding, what has been seen being played?
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>>94387022
These look cool though?
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How to.get white coverage like this? Do I need an airbrush for should white power armor always be done with a can spray as the primer and base layer?

If I try to use a brush it always ends up looking whack, even after two or three layers.
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>>94387022
The only criticism I have of this unit’s design is that is a symptom of the problem Admech has as a whole.
They can’t seem to pick a cohesive direction to go in artistically.
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Does anyone have tips or a guide for how to build a pewter model? This will be my first metal mini.
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>>94385389
So do all ork players just tell their opponent before games that all their Boyz have sluggas and choppas?
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i will preorder the dark angels christmas box
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>>94387185
Some use older models, some bought a bunch of boxes to get the right amount of weapons per squad. Some play them as is and fuck it if it sucks.
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>>94387183
Our lord and savior to the rescue
https://youtu.be/XM7uJNQmBBM?si=noKG6Oftri9-fmF7
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>>94387183
you either use lots of superglue and have a calendar with the list of all of the year's saints to pray or blaspheme towards.

or you grab a drill, a spare paperclip and pin the thing.
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>>94387166
White primer and then you use very light grey as the base color, and after that you highlight with pure white.
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>>94387185
yeah
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>>94387224
So basically required to always have white primer? I only have a black can atm and thought it'd be alright for building natural shadows with it, even if I painted the panels white, like a poor man's zenithal. It didn't work.
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>>94382038
>>Thread question:
>What is your favorite factions to group together?
dwarfs go along with everything
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>>94384900
You're fighting for the privilege of not having the Comissar put a bolt round in your dome after the Guard drafted your conscript ass.
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>>94387249
>anon told me it was 3D print
>look it up
>find https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1403377482/
>it is but taken down
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I want these minis but they're 55mm.
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>>94387298
I dunno ask /hhg/
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>>94387196
I will preorder the sisters box.
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>>94387005
Old 40K would never have grimdark livestock, it’s unthinkable.
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>>94387341
This is a whole lot less "grimdark" than you think it is.
It's just the Imperium doing what you'd expect to do to a useful but dangerous animal that you want to farm for its produce.
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any Death Guard players here? What is the best way to use the Lord of Contagion and the Lord of Virulence?
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>>94387069
Codex entry literally calls them cybercanids. They ride dogs. The Imperial IT department is run by furries.
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>>94387022
YEEEEEE HAAAWW PARTNER
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>>94387386
I mean you put them with Deathshroud, rapid ingress them and slap things.
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>>94387410
>deathshroud
>4 fucking movement

How do people play these? Even if you deep strike these in they cant charge in on the same turn without cp
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>>94387420
They rapid ingress them like I said
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>10 terminators deep strike into your backline
What do?
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>>94387436
My back line is my frontline
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>>94387436
Go Super Saiyan 2
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>>94387436
Survive their shooting for a turn and then just move off, press up the middle where my melee dudes are getting stuck in.
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>>94387450
Hate it when my opponent does this shit, it's basically just an instant lose
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>>94387436
>10 terminators deep strike into your backline
no they don't
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>>94386449
They literally don't even have an Army Rule. There's no way to fix such a permanent power gap between them and every other army, besides making their data sheets mega pushed and strong to make up for no army rule .....but you can Ally agents into other armies which DO have an army rule, so even then there's no point playing them.
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predator destructor or gladiator lancer?
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>>94387467
just go further beyond
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>>94387341
The fact we never got grox rough riders is a fucking shame. I still remember the good old days in high school where Atillain Rough Riders were part of the standard codex.

What are my Arkhan Confederates going to ride now? Tanks? I think not.
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>>94387478
>predator destructor
this one
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Should i wait for the christmas boxes? I want to play DG
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>>94385818
Anon if you're gonna BA post here at least use something that makes sense like Sisterhood and SoB.
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>>94387487
attilan rough riders are part of the standard codex, anon
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>>94387487
>I still remember the good old days in high school where Atillain Rough Riders were part of the standard codex.
They're back circa 9e.
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>>94387436
commit sudoku
if I've left a gap enough for a unit that big then i deserve to perish
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>>94387487
Tell us you're a secondary without *telling us* you're a secondary.
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>>94387022
are the dogs actually dogs or just servitors bent over?
do they have dedicated battle dog breeding worlds?
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How do these guys compare to the new HH marines? I have a couple that I've been messing with to make chaos marines for a killteam but I wasn't sure if those kits would be a good base to match up with the heroes
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>>94387512
>are the dogs actually dogs or just servitors bent over?
Less servitor, more skitarii I'd imagine. They're obviously heavily cyborg'd.
>Are there breeding worlds?
Do you REALLY need a world just for growing some juiced-up canines? Is is another one of those things that any Imperial world could probably make with the right know-how.
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>>94387022
I don't hate them but I would've preferred something else for the mount. Maybe like a camelbot with the hump being a big generator or something idk
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>>94387436
Shoot them with my vindicator
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What is Votann's niche on the battlefield?
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>>94387541
I dont know
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>>94385227
I wish the maccabian janissaries had models
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>>94387532
camels would fit well imo
feels like they've got a vague theme of their vehicles being designed to traverse deserts and dusty wastelands since thats the mars aesthetic
which is why they ditched all the wheels
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>>94387541
>"Their only tactic seems to be 'slow advance.' The problem is, they're really good at it."
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>>94387541
Very classic traditional warhammer.

No tricks, no frills, just bolters and power fists and ground transports. They're just very efficient, and get better the more of them you kill so they don't run out of steam like some armies
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>>94387216
You know what's funny is that somehow I used GW glue when I was a kid. I don't know why it worked though.
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>twin-linked heavy bolter
>3 attacks
>twin-linked storm bolter
>2 attacks
>twin-linked lascannon
>1 attack
I'm gonna kick your dog james
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>>94385033
I really like to homebrew missions but people at my LGS aren't as keen on that sort of thing because they're more about official play. Some of my buddies really like it though.
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>>94385784
That one kit for GSC with the fancy hologram table would look pretty great with a guard commander on it.
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>>94386897
That's fair, i'm mostly looking for inspiration to see how the scheme would work on a chaos marine. Doesn't have to be TS.
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>>94385952
I think older editions had a fun dynamic where there was a chance a retreating unit could be caught and decimated by the winning unit. It did take like two or three checks to reach that point.
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>>94387574
>tradhammer
>no psyKINO phase
perils yourself
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Look out, the Orks are Kamikazing!
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>>94387436
melta, blast
and then probably die
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Alternating actions in exchange for the shooting phase, please?
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>>94387664
>psychic phase
don't mistake 40k for fantasy, that shit was in 40k only for its two worst and shorter editions
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>>94387521
They're close enough, the newer hh marines and the deathwatch veterans would be the closest scales to match
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>>94387436
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>94387637
>>twin-linked storm bolter
Which way is it?
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>>94387694
The second one turned sideways like a hurricane bolter but one less.
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>>94387694
Like this
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40k planets reimagined for MonHun
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>>94387694
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>>94387694
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>>94387712
>monhun
>posts a duck sauce boss
You're not even good at being a /v/ermin
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>>94387694
truly Martian science is the greatest in the galaxy
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>>94387500
I've learned my lesson with bringing giant bricks of chaos termies. It's damn near impossible to deep strike 11 of them anywhere important and if I actually can than I was already going to win the game anyway. Way better to run 5 man squads.
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>>94387729
>play chaos terminators
>their guns do fuck all damage
>run in and kill like 2 space marines

Are these guys just a blob of health?
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>>94387740
>>run in and kill like 2 space marines
If 12 power fist attacks with sustained hits + full rerolls to hit plus 5 lightning claw attacks with full rerolls to hit and wound kill 2 marines, throw away your dice
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>>94387796
I don't like it.
Turquise doesn't do the sculpt any favors.
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I have a conundrum, fitting allies in my list I have two options I'm considering
I can do bolterbitches, squad of 10 SoB with meltas, split into two groups of 5 with one lead by Greyfax, and riding around in 2 immolators
or I can choose 2 teams of deathwatch vets, one melee focused and one bolter focused, riding in a rhino, with an eversor assassin for shenanigans
I'm sort of leaning towards the deathwatch because rule of cool, and they'd be a lot cooler in their little jet, but apparently that thing sucks and it's expensive and I don't feel like tailoring my list around my allies that much
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>>94387796
needs more orange to counteract the teal
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>>94387796
sanguinary guard and coteaz are so fucking bad it's unreal
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>>94387807
seconding this, put some hawk tuah on that thing, patina and rust would go a long way
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>>94387814
I'm convinved that they were made by the same dude.
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>>94387796
>yeah I paid $25 per model, so what
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>>94387825
>dude
try again
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>>94387740
I love having them with a sorcerer to give an AP debuff to something and a better chance to land a charge from deepstrike. They do hit like a truck with rerolls with dark pacts, I'll run them as tzeench marked to restore a dude every turn too for fun or nurgle to give an 18 inch lone op. Is it amazing? Probably not but I love the look of them too much not to use a squad or two each game.
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>>94387796
which chamber of Stormcast are these guys from?
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>>94387838
celestial vindicators
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>>94387796
contrast:slopped
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>>94387838
DEI chamber
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hmm, fool that I was assuming I should have a chaos faction to round out my imperial & xeno army. I shouldn't pay for an army I don't find myself deeply interested in.
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>>94387849
It's a hobby, the only thing you should have is fun
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>>94387846
contrast paints are fine
they make great alternatives to a base layer on some models
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New to 40k and even wargaming. I heard each faction has different play styles. Are there any resources that goes into how playing each of them are like and how to choose one that fits the player?
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>>94387859
No
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>>94387859
Yes
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>>94387859
Mayhaps
>Verification not required.
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>>94387849
And? Are you asking us a question or just projecting a schizophrenic thought into the void
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>>94387855
>great alternatives to a base layer
They make okay alternatives at best, even on surfaces that are supposedely contrast/speedpaint friendly you'll still get a better result with "normal" paints. Believe me, I've tried to make them work for a good couple of months and eventually gave up anyway.
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>>94387859
I don't know
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>buy teenie weenies
>glue them to my gsc army for added realism
Thoughts?
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>>94387796
this is unironically unpleasant to look at
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>>94387859
Have to write a novel and I'm not doing that, there are multiple playstyles within factions. Better to hone in on what models you like the look of first
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>>94387875
you have to use them on the right model
on something with a lot of texture they are going to work better and faster
plague marines and chaos daemons in general fucking love contrast paints
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>>94387840
Vince Knotley's actual celestial vindicator paint scheme looks better.
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>>94387880
why do you love cock so much
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>>94387875
Unironically a skill issue
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>>94387796
Nice Atlantian Spears Sanguinary Guard!
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>>94387875
You not being a good painter doesn't make the paint bad
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>>94387897
is that yours?
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>>94387880
Anon, they're as tall as most infantry models.
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>>94387908
put them on carnifexes, put some sisters of battle in compromising poses on the bases
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>>94387906
I think I'm above average, The uneven finish and hassle required to correct any mistakes just bothered me too much to dedicate more time to them when I could just go back to regular paints
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>>94387907
No, its a mini speedpainted with contrast and other similar techniques
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>>94387072
That's a great idea. Basically covers everything! Too bad it'll never get made
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>>94387796
unironically looks like a stormshart
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>>94387859
Just click through the store and find the army you like the look of most. THEN go into how they play, every army has overlap with others in terms of strategy and play style.
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>>94387950
Why are 4chan users fixated on the word "shart"
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>>94387834
What are you even implying?
I'm just saying that I think the faggot who sculpted Coteaz is the same one who sculpted the new Sanguinary Guard.
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>>94387897
NTA, but I dislike contrast for flat surfaces save for layering over a metallic base. Works great for organic parts, like when painting Nids, as even the occasional darker spots are good for an organic creature, as long as they're not too rough. Painting lizards and rats for AoS is also a breeze with contrast.
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On imperial worlds do you think women make tiktok videos with abhumans
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>>94387880
>Thoughts?
You're a fag.
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>>94387931
well why didn't you post a mini you painted yourself with contrasts then
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>>94387967
You okay kid? Gonna cry?
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>>94387947
If Mechanicus got made I don't think something in that vein for an arguably more popular and marketable army would be a stretch.
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>>94387983
There is no tiktok in the Imperium, cretin
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>>94387983
Bitch is built like a nurgling.
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>>94387990
Because I don't use that technique all that often. Also wholly irrelevant to what the paints are capable of. Hope that helps!
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>>94388008
don't compare adorable nurglings to that thing please
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>>94388008
>>
New Bread:
>>94388037
>>94388037
>>94388037
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>>94388047
>page 6
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>>94387072
>basic bitch turn based snorefest
Exactly what we need
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>>94388011
Sure it helped. Helped me realize that you're shittalking even though you can't utilize those paints to this level yourself lmao
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>>94387995
Chaos is always the DLC faction for some reason. They don't even think to include it in the game as a faction. It happened in total war, warriors of chaos were dlc. Battlefleet gothic 2. Fuckin dawn of war made a few but chaos was always ALWAYS optional and never enforced.

I don't think they think chaos can sell on its own.
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>>94387497
Funny how people begged for these to come back.
But now theyve come back I don't think anyone is buying them.
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>>94388484
You don't know shit
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>>94385389
has mixed loadouts ever been a thing with boyz? it seemed to me if you were footslogging them you might as well make a third of them shoota boyz since that many would die before entering melee
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>>94391646
It's the funnest way to run them since you get a bit of both, it's just not very tactically viable. Usually what I do is build lots of 5 of each with each kit, then field grouped numbers as I need to. You're never buying just one kit of Boyz, which is why *that* kit is so bad, the lack of variety and the lack of even numbers (and spare bitz) for shootas/sluggas means you are just constantly losing value the more kits you buy. The old kit is even cheaper.



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