Is it gay to make my catgirl race straight up the best fighters, based on racial modifiers?
it's not gay to do what you likenot even if what you like is sex with women
>>94388332In theory, cat traits might give you someone who's pretty great at a sword duel due to the agility and reflexes to just expertly parry everything, but whether that'd make them the best fighters is a much broader question. Probably more convincing if they're based off of tigers or other big cats instead of being housecats though, since then on top of agility you could probably justify more muscle.
I can't stand anime bullshit logic where you have these shrimpy powerhouses with no musclemass beating monsters and other characters with actual visible size and muscle advantages.
>>94388332>Is it gay to make my catgirl race straightNothing gayer than being straight.
>>94388332Uh, why would that matter when you're already obviously gay, OP?
>thread with a stupid, pointless question has an anime/manga OP image
>>94388428It's a setting with magic, so you can just say it's because of magic.
>>94388558>fighters, the well known magic usersop stop being gay and dumb
>>94388569nta but the magic could be in their blood or whateverjust like how in other setting you can have some construct powered by electricity but not have it attack with electricity
>>94388569She uses a magic sword, that can cast spells on its own including buffs on his catgirl wielder.
>>94388332>racial modifiersthey're the laziest way to make a raceuse actual featuresor maybe give them a higher maximum
>>94388332Make some friends and ask them the answer to this question.If you can't make any friends, you have your answer.
>>94388558I don't care how you try to explain it. It always looks dumb, and you should feel bad for thinking it's cool.
>>94388332No. It's gay because you're doing it, OP.
>>94388332sure, whatever, fighters usually become irrelevant past session 3
>>94388595Seconded. If the race doesn't do something that would be straight impossible for a normal human, or have some crippling inhumane weakness or dependency around which their entire life and culture is based, then it might as well be just another human.
>>94388953>I'm incapable of nuance and proud of it, things need to be XXXtreme or not exist at allyou're stuck with mentality of 12 y/o
>>94388971DnDrone detected
>>94388332Why would you seek validation here of all places?
>>94388332Yes? Because then its pure waifushit which is gay. Just make it a catpeople race and use mostly girls
Made my "catgirl" race the best straight up fighters, yes. Though they are more based on lions and other large cats.Other "warrior races" have something else going on, they are the most focused on just fighting.
What modifiers? This is just another pointless stealth furry thread
>>94388428Okay. Explain how a human fighter beats a dragon then. It can't be due to muscle mass, obviously, since the dragon is many times bigger than they are.
>Is it gay to make my catgirl raceYes
>>94388332It depends entirely on how catlike they are. Cats IRL are, pound for pound, consistently amazingly effectively predators. Small cats and big cats alike are all very dangerous for an animal of their size and dominate local ecosystems, so the point that housecats regularly hunt other animations to extinction if we let them. So a cat-person with human level intelligence and the ability to use tools like swords and armor? If they have any cat advantages to speak of as well, you can easily end up with a human+ tier combatant. "Everything a human can do, also with nightvision and retractable claws and extremely good balance" is a direct upgrade to normal humans.
>>94389281all the junk fighter wears gives the dragon fatal case of indigestion
Garbage
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>>94389307Yeah, but something like in the OP clearly has no actual cat features like musculature and build.
>>94388332Only if they don't look the part. Otherwise, it is fiercely heterosexual.
>>94390101Man, Varvarion when?
Cats are silly little paranoics who are constantly getting ready for a fight, no matter when, where, or if it comes. Instead of just making catgirls directly stronger/more agile fighters than humans, you could give them initiative bonuses, a chance to ignore the surprised condition, a bonus to escaping grapples and other typically cat-like features that give them an edge without actually making them ubermenschen. As a drawback, you could make it so that it's much harder for them to relax - the entire party is sleeping soundly by the campfire while the catgirl stayed up the entire night watching the trees because she failed her willpower check. You can also occasionaly ask them for perception rolls and describe non-threatening things as potentially dangerous. Those traits could be useful sometimes, but generally they should be to the catgirl's (and potentially the entire party's) detriment. You should also reward players for roleplaying those cat traits well.
>>94389281St.George used a Warhouse at full charge and a lance.
>>94391972and divine providence watching over him
>>94391983also, the dragon was smaller than a gator
>>94392009the dragon was likely just a large nile crocodile that had mutated so it could breathe fire
>>94392009I mean, that seems like the key part there, in the context of how a fighter defeats something "many times bigger than they are". And really, at that point we're simply acknowledging that defeating monsters with more muscle advantage than you by utilizing outside help to enhance the force of your blow is totally fine and expected. Cleaving through a monster with a magic sword isn't any more bullshit than a knight riding a horse so he can land a stronger blow with a lance. They're both using the tools at their disposal. One is simply a tool we have in real life.
>>94388332It's not gay, just bad game design.
>>94388332No, the C'tarl-C'tarl are the most based race in fiction.
>>94392120>mom was a gator, dad was one lucky bombardier beetle
>>94388332In what game?
>>94388332I don't see an issue.
>>94393584Why have other options, then?
>>94393691What do you mean? Are you proposing that everyone other living thing in the world just quits war in a huff and pouts and refuses to touch a sword or defend their own lives because someone, somewhere, is better than they are due to natural abilities?Because, newsflash, thats 99.999% of people all the time for anything they would attempt. For whatever it is you want to do, there are a whole shitton of people better than you at it. Might as well give up now before you piss your pants, huh little piss baby? Little pee pee boy?
>>94388332Yes.
>>94388332>the best fighters, based on racial modifiersIf cats are so strong, why don't we use guard cats?
>>94392766doesn't matter, you shitty ass spammer
>>94394212Cats don't take orders. Dogs do.
>>94393584Humans would never abide the existence of something like that. They would either be extinct, or go all in on trying to genocide them.
>>94394312Beastfolk are far from the most dangerous things in that setting, considering that there are dragons, gods, and an entire Demon Continent. Getting our collective panties in a twist over Beastfolk would just be counterproductive.
>>94393761I mean, when you have a game that seems to have plenty of choices for character options, but one of them is vastly superior to the others, what's the point of having those other options?It's a deeper root than "the lore says that nobody else fights cuz story lorebuilding world", it's about the players choosing other options in the game and being able to be effective against the game's challenges.When the character options in a game are all viable for the game's chalenges, that provides proper incentive for the players to choose those options when playing the game. Then, you do whatever queer lore bullshit you want, because that's secondary to playing a fucking game.
>>94391861This is an extremely based way to play it out, instead of a flat buff and debuff, neat narrative consequences
>>94388332yes, but not because of catgirls, because your dogshit system has racial modifiers.>>94388569No, he's right, in most anime fantasy settings even pure martials can use "martial arts" which are just self-buff spells that make you faster, swing harder, etc. That's why my system has that as a mechanic in Enhancement Arts, which lets pure martials spend Mana Points - which all characters have, it's part of the setting's lore, everyone has some mana but it takes training to use it and even more skill and natural talent to alter things other than yourself with it i.e. casting spells - which they get a few points of to either buff themselves or do crazy DMC style attacks.Alternatively, you could have it so that the weapons are made of lightweight materials like mithryl or that they have enchantments that reduce their weight for the wielder but keep the force of their weight on impact, because magic does not in fact have to obey the laws of physics and generally breaks the theory of relativity (matter cannot be created or destroyed, magic frequently creates something from nothing).
>>94388971he's right in that racial modifiers are dogshit, >>94388595 gets it, give them actual abilities to distinguish them instead. This makes the focus of a race less on "how do I maximize my stats" like D&Dfinder dogshit, and more "Which one has cool shit/cool lore". >>94394312EARTH humans wouldn't, but a fantasy setting doesn't have to have their humans be 1:1 with Earth humans. In fact, if a setting has magic that humans can use, it already doesn't have 1:1 earth accurate humans.Realism is a cancer upon the Fantasy genre and the sooner people realize that the sooner the genre can heal.
>>94388332>Is it gayYes. Therefore, you should do it.
Isn't it enough to simply make them the best cuddle buddies and food annihilators?
>>94388569Final Fantasy 14 is a setting where Aether (basically mana + ki) is the building block of the universe, and anyone with enough training can harness it to suit their needs. Mages use it to create fire, lightning and ice out of thin air and martials use it to hit really fucking hard and do superhuman feats
>>94395185More than that, literally everyone who isn't a magic cripple (look at you, Garlemald) can channel Aether. Most people don't even consider the ability to channel fire aether and use it for heating up a pan to cook with to be magic at all, its just a normal life skill. It doesn't start being 'magic' until you start doing complex feats with it, like spells. Martials in FF14 just use their natural abilities to channel aether in ways that make sense for the type of combat that they do, or more accurately build a combat style around manipulating aether in a specific way. Like the Dark Knights, which basically enflame their own Aether and burn their bodies for fuel using powerful emotions (usually negative ones) as a catalyst and in doing so let them pull off feats like "local edgelord literally too angry to die".Dragoons, of course, take the cake when it comes to magical fighting styles. Dudes have built an entire combat kit around being able to engage flying enemies in melee at will. The answer is 'jump real goddamn good'.
>>94395319>usually negative onesThere's nothing negative about love, kupo!
>>94388332>is it gayYes.
>>94388433>being hetero is homoKys, fagtard.
>>94395384Level 60-70 DRK role quests be likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFhmp5UZsak
>>94395319>Dudes have built an entire combat kit around being able to engage flying enemies in melee at will.my favorite tidbit about 14 dragoons is that their armor is canonically covered in spikes so that if a dragon (their 1000-year mortal enemies) eats them it hurts the whole way down
>>94395415Liking dick is gay.
>>94398135Metal as fuck
>>94395319>>94395384>>94395436>made an Exalted Abyssal based heavily on DRKs and Fray specifically>they ended up closer to SidurguKinda funny, that. And fitting.
>>94388332It’s gay unless your catgirls range from 6’6” to over 8’ tall (representing different species of cat) and are extremely muscular (to give speed and strength) in which case it’s gigabased
>>94404839See picrel
>>94394457Doesn't stop people from picking sub-optimal races and class combinations in DnD, despite stat bonuses and penalties being a thing
>>94388332isn't that what the elder scrolls does?
>>94405385The best fighters in TES are technically the lizard people, not the cat people, due to the magic tree drugs. Unless steroids don't count.
>>94388971But he's right though, instead of focusing on numbers to distinguish your races, it would actually be more nuanced to give your races subtle proclivities. People are often shaped by their environments, with cultures developing based on what their tribes/civilizations have available to them. Bringing that logic into a fantasy setting could make for more interesting concepts, like having a race of lizardmen that prefer warm regions because their cold-blooded nature makes them more susceptible to hypothermia and frostbite, or maybe having race of winged creatures building their homes atop tree canopies because of the fierce predators below.I know the examples I provided are not very subtle on the *surface level,* but the point I'm trying to get across here is that you can make a warrior race of catgirls and display their strength in a way other than the flat tangibility of numbers-- which is arguably less nuanced than looking to history for inspiration by seeing how our warrior tribes lived. Like, really sit down and think about why they live the way they do, how they do their day-to-day, and what actually makes them more natural fighters than say, an orc or something. If they're scrawny animu catgirls, maybe their patron deity gives them the strength to overcome differences in physical strength, which while surface-level, could lead to more interesting discussions with outsides on the nature of their religion? Perhaps they're just naturally intuitive when it comes to combat, and while not physically strong, they know how to work their way out of a bad situation with a little creative thinking to make up that difference?tl;drI dunno, I'm just not a fan of using numbers to distinguish races when that metric doesn't really apply to humans irl because we're way more nuanced than a spreadsheet allows.
>>94405456>that metric doesn't really apply to humans irl because we're way more nuanced than a spreadsheet allows.I mean, that's a fair outlook, but it kind of falls flat when a game assigns major aspects of a character's capabilities to a handful of numbers on a spreadsheet.Properly thought out racial features in more quantity are almost always going to be more interesting, but if we're saying that +1 Strength can't be a bonus because it lacks nuance, then why are we playing a game that just has a generic 'Strength' stat?
>>94405783Fair enough, I was moreso speaking from a general writing standpoint-- I know what this board is for, but I see people talk worldbuilding here often enough that I sometimes forget people are trying to come up with homebrew content for games; my bad.
>>94388332Is it gay if I sniff catgirl butt?
>>94405395I'm pretty sure redguards are the best warriors in elder scrolls. As in singular fighters, not organized soldiers.
>>94388332How is a catgirl a better fighter than a Fit White Human Male?
>>94389164What system do you use for these games?
>>94410097higher ratio of fast-twitch muscle, bigger adrenaline bursts, higher pain tolerance, more aggressive, natural weapons for backupThat's all that is needed to mog a human in a 1-on-1
>>94388332Only because if your system makes certain race-class combinations strictly optimal you might as well not bother having racial modifiers.
>>94405303D&D is badly designed.
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>>94410114Ha, a human could easily handle that 2-on-1.
>>94414351No, he's right.>>94405303The point is that you shouldn't have to pick between mechanical optimization and flavor. I shouldn't have to be a Wizard with 14 INT just because I didn't pick an Elf.
>>94416154In the context of D&D, the issue with ability scores is largely a result of how modern editions handle modifiers.If you go back to 2e, the difference between a fighter with 8 strength and 15 strength is relatively minimal, at least in terms of combat ability. Jump to 5e, and suddenly you're just way less accurate and dealing way less damage, which in turn means that any small adjustments to the score via racial bonus matter a lot more.If 15 Int to 16 Int wasn't such a big change in how effective a Wizard is, the racial Int bonus would matter a lot less. Though beyond that, even 4e already had this partly figured out by having a bunch of race+class specific feats, where you might play a race that doesn't match the ability scores of the class because it gives you access to other mechanical options. Not always perfect, but combined with classes also more often having use for multiple ability scores there's some surprising variety there.And just in general, the idea that a Halfling Fighter and a Half-Orc Fighter would have different styles and advantages adds actual variety, rather than just giving the two equal strength bonuses and calling it a day.Removing racial bonuses entirely is just one fewer knob to adjust things with. Even with only racial features/abilities there's inevitably going to be a 'best' and 'worst' option for any particular class.
>>94405303>the point of choosing them is that people choose themTautology.
>>94388332I'm going to assume your game is a fantasy heartbreaker two steps removed from DnD, in which case it's gay for any race to be the best at fighting because fighting is 90% of the game
>>94395319>Gaius cannot channel aether>can still make shadow clones of himself, throw hadoukens, and turn shit into gold
>>94418803Not if you're a caster. Then the "game" is about saying no to all of its challenges.
>>94418837It is weird that in the framework of DnD, a martial rolls dice, and a caster makes NPCs roll dice
>>94416876>classes also more often having use for multiple ability scoresBraindead retards will screech that MAD is bad. But MAD is good, because it encourages different ability score distributions. It's only bad because most classes in most editions aren't MAD, and MAD classes are retardedly balanced so that having maximum ability scores only gets you as much functionality as a SAD class with one max ability score.
>>94388332I created an entity called a haunt mage from other dimensions who were on the level of gods with what they could do and they all had goals and amibitions leading to the defeat of specific empires and people. and it was one of those dont let them notice you exist. turned a game into a fun session when the haunt mage (1 of them) kept following the party because one of them knew a crucial piece of evidence to a huge crime and was keeping quiet about it out of fear he'd die. it turned into a whole thing. haunt mages are awesome
>>94404847>IWN lay down on top of her like a muscular jaguar-print couch.Why must Anon remind me of my sad existence?
>>94418832Magitek is strong
>>94422633Gaius throws hadoukens while running around in rags. It can't all be the magitek
>>94422767He channels ki from the sheer, unrelenting fury of his fightboner.
>>94419356Sorry
>>943935843efags are officially grogs nowadays so you've got to find a new title for that webm
>>94405385in the earlier games they had stat bonuses for agility speed and acrobatics and are basically DEX builds, nords and redguards are the best fighters esentially being STR and DEX in lore at least
>>94388332>>94409334I looked up the manga, and what the fuck inspires this insanity? seriously, who thinks "I need a setting for my story... oh, I know! I'll copy one of my heckin RPG games down to the level system and the existence of guilds that hand out video game-tier quests" and then someone clearly decided that this shit was worth animating... what the fuck is wrong with japan?>>94393584mushoku tensei would have been a lot better if it damped down the overpowered magic and unrealistic martial powers but made ghislaine 7 to 8 feet tall
>>94394520>Realism is a cancer upon the Fantasy genre and the sooner people realize that the sooner the genre can heal.This is not really realistic take. IRL humans are not like HFY humans.
>>94429208>I looked up the manga, and what the fuck inspires this insanity?Two different genres that bled into each other over time. Isekai is a genre about being transported to another world, typically a fantasy world of some kind. Sometimes this new fantasy world is unique and novel in concept (like Escaflowne) but as with any genre there are cheap imitators who just go for the most dumbed down generic fantasy setting they can imagine and rip off Dragon Quest. But even in a typically DQ inspired fantasy world, it was not based on RPG mechanics it just used a generic japanese fantasy setting.That changed with the advent of the 'trapped in a video game' genre. SAO and stories like it put people directly into video games, and thus had all of the trappings and tropes of those video games baked in because they were *literally* video games with minimaps and level ups and status screens and all that. SAO was wildly popular, and so it too invited imitators. At some point these two subgenres fused into an unholy mix. We are told that the MC is being transported to a real place, a real fantasy world that based on a video game at all. And yet once he gets there, he has all of the same interfaces and mechanics as would exist in a video game, which the MC eventually usually *recognizes* as video game mechanics himself. I can't say who started this practice, but at this point its become so established that finding an isekai that ISN'T video-gameified is itself a novelty.
>>94422767Well, he was at ground zero of a few different high aether events down his bout with the WoL, it might be that being around the destruction of Ultima Weapon, the spell Ultima itself, Hydaelyn's Shield, and WoL's goofy Light Friendship Weapon knocked something loose and now he can he can work with Aether. Though I doubt an Aetherially empowered Belsar would be willing to sit around and retire to a small fiefdom, that we're all totes supposed to be ok with because apparently holding enemies accountable for their subordinates war crimes is Cringe.
