Shattered editionPrevious thread: >>94388328>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics>HH1 Black Books<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>NqlCmSpI>HH2 Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>1rki2Q6D>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Q61izSiS『Adeptus Titanicus and Legionis Imperialis』>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>IukARSLT>Legiones Imperialis Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Fi9kQSwB>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html>Thread question:You can make GW release plastic miniature for single character or unit, what do they have to release now?
>>94395818Just one miniature? Plastic Warlord Sinister Psi Titan in 28mm.
>>94395818>TQanacharis scoria
Anybody got the new melee weapons?
>>94395818If I only have one, I want to say a Mark II tactical squad with the full 2015-esque sprue design and modularity.
>>94395818>TQPlastic IF Tartaros Praetor. The fisting will continue until morale improves.
>>94395845Anon 2 thread ago, he showed his beakie with power oar.
>>94395818Cataphractii Command Squad. 5 man box of properly scaled Cata with the bits for making a command squad or various characters (champion, herald, etc - even for a wishlist box "put medicae and forge lord gear in the box" is probably too much). It's the hardest gap to fill without printing it yourself right now, imo.
Surely more material possession will make me happy.
>TQMk. I Space Marine
2nd ed WS chart sucks, thanks.
>>94396017White Scars are, and always will be, the coolest.
>>94395818I have Gee Dubs release a single plastic breacher model as a games day event piece and that's it.
>>94395818>TQCenturion, with all Consul upgrades
>>94396176And make it an overtly 'Traitor' sculpt
>>94396176>>94396222No, make it very clearly themed after a legion that would never use breachers, like RG
>>94396222>>94396233No, just a generic breacher sergeant with a full equipment belt in mkVI
>>94395818>TQFull scale, 28mm Imperator Titan body only, head and waepon arms released separately.
>Playing a game, brought Exodus for some epic sniping>Target tactical squad, want to snipe the sergeant in artificer armour so the cyclone missile launcher javelins can go to town>Roll a 1 to hit>Damn.>BS 6, so if the re-roll is a 6 it still hits>Roll again>It's a 6>Hell yeah>Roll to wound>It's a 1Man, the dice can be fickle.
>>94396310Of course he fucked up, look at the model he doesn't even know how to load his rifle
>>94395818>TQP L A S T I CT H U N D E R H A W K
>>94396361We have those
>>94396361Alredy here.
Spilled super glue over the front armor piece so I've added titan zimmerit. I'm not really happy I had to slop green stuff over the front but what can you do.Going to with a dark blue grey and tenebrous grey livery for the maniple I think
>>94396412Looks like the princeps is keeping bees
Tips for a TSon veteran squad? I kind of want to do power mauls but I already run Khentai so I feel like I'm just stepping over my own toes
>>94396477Spears and axes. Spears stab some mfs to death first so there's less of a risk to the axes.
>>94396448That's not what I'm going for but bee zimmerit could be cool for a DG tank
>>94396334It's breach loaded with a fixed magazine okay, please understand
>>94396514Wasn't zimmerit an anti-magnetic mine covering that would catch fire?
Question. Attack bike squads, a cheap way to fill 45 points. But what's better a heavy bolter of heavy flamer. Or shave off some points in the list for an auto cannon?
>>94396574Heavy bolter unless you have other fast units that could potentially bait out movement reactions
>>94396574Heavy bolters are more ideal.
>>94396595>>94396596Yeah, I was thinking the attack bike could come around the side and get some nutty number of hits against a unit. But that's just not reliable enough. Also I realized that it will be up against UM and Salas mostly, so 1/2 the time the heavy bolter is just default better against the whole army.I think I can shave off 15 points somewhere though...
>>94396559It was anti-magnetic covering used only by Germans during ww2, funny enough only germans used magnet based anti tak grenades, brits used gule ones and soviet detonated on impact. So Germans made countermeasure against weapon only they used. It didn't catch fire tho.
>>94396628In the same way a single heavy bolter won't do much, a single autocannon won't do much, so don't spend extra points on something that can be so casually destroyed
>>94396017>the chart that doesn't penalise high WS units vs garbage filler>Legion Terminator vs Militia Levy under old WS chart>slightly better than 1/2 chance to kill 1 Levy per Attack>slightly worse than 1/37 chance to kill 1 Legion Terminator per Attack>in a 50 model unit that costs 100 points>vs unit that costs 175 for 5 guys with power mauls (otherwise S is too low and chance is worse than 1/2) and 325 for 10 guys with like 20 attacks between them>Legion Terminator vs Militia Levy under new WS chart>slightly better than 1/2 chance to kill 1 Levy per Attack>worse than 1/111 chance to take 1 Wound from 1 Legion Terminator per Attack>in a 50 model unit that costs 100 points>vs unit that at minimum costs 150 points and up to 275 for 10 basic guys with like 20 attacks between them and 2W eachexplain why WS2 conscripts with rocks in their hands should be 3x as good against elite space psychos wearing walking tanks, and not so unlikely to harm their interstellar masters and betters that even if twice as many of them joined the fight it wouldn't likely kill even one of these armoured godlingsplease, tell me more about how you keenly understand balance but nobody else does
>>94396650I get that, but my thought process is it can plink from further with the auto. So it can stay safer between the 36-48 range. Also when I looked at my list I only had to free up like 5 point, since I took something twice in new recruit.
>have idea for a Ksons champion with a Paragon Blade and power Spear modeled as a twinblade glaive to run with some khenetai >realize that if I I put him in that squad it'll turn off their psychic Well at least this time I realized it before I ordered the conversion bits.
>>94396704Sounds like you've made up your mind
>>94396755Yeah it was mostly I had the points free due to the fact that I forgot that my tarts weren't modeled with grenade harnesses. So I would feel bad taking them with in game, and looking over the rest I made a mistake. I gave the Effreti commander 2 power daggers, so that freed up the other 5 points.My thoughts are that if the land raider with las cannons spends a turn shooting the attack bike, thats a turn it's not shooting something worth points. Other then that it just goes down to not fucking up positioning.
>>94395818>TQA ten strong box of Sisters with their weapon options, customization stuff to better differentiate their units, like back banners for Raptora, and spare hands/arms that are compatible (with some snipping) with some the Astartes weapon upgrades.I'm dumb enough to have already made a 3000pts army out of the same five models over and over again, but gw I promise that I'm also dumb enough to rebuy sisters if they actually get something new.
Are combi grenade launchers worth anything?
>>94396790I think so. Gives some plinking power against rhinos. Or just hurt Automata better. I would say they are cool, and if that's enough take them. Or if your going up against higher toughness units and need a bit more power then bolters.
>>943967905 points usually.
>>94396790It adds a Str 5 shot with AP 4, quite a decent bump in long rage firepower. And the blast profile has pinning, can catch some units off guard but it's only Str 3. The main question is what unit to put them on. Both veterans and terminators want to get close and engage in melee at some point, in which case combi-volkite add more firepower once close enough.
Trying to kitbash kraken bolters for seekers. Amusing results. Attempt #1: unholy mashup of nuMk3 bolter and 40k tacticool scopes
>>94396788>Sir, could you please stop swinging that power fist around.
>>94396863>Cringe tacticool scope excess>From a primarine bolter too
>>94396863That looks cool, but also lame.
>>94396863Put another scope on it
What Consul on a jetpack pairs well with a Night Raptor squad?
>>94396911Forge Lord MoritatChampion Delegatus
>>94396863>>94396878>>94396874>>94396887>Dohoho, but wait-- there's more!Attempt #2: abominable fusion of nuMk6 + scopeymcscopeface
>>94396934This first one was better but that one is also neat
>>94396911Chaplain is never a bad choice.Herald is also good if you need some more line.Moritat is a good choice if you’re giving everyone chainglaives so you can instant kill with rad grenades.Divination Librarian is an out there but potentially funny choice if you’re taking any melta’s or plasma guns in the unit so you can assassinate characters
>>94396863The worst thing about this is the nuMk3 barrel desu
>>94395818>TQHH centurion warsuit.
>>94396934>>94396938Attempt #3: minimalist combo of Mk4 bolter + hellgun scope >Bonus OG bolter for moral support
Thoughts on having a pair of xiphons in a drop pod assault list for anti tank duty? I've already got a cyclonic Leviathan, but I don't want to have use heavy or special weapon squads or contemtpors in pods to bolster my anti tank more.
>>94397068They do have a lot of fire power if they don't immediately die when entering. They are also cheap enough that it probably won't matter if they do
>>94397086I run two alongside deepstrike spam TSonsIf they shoot the Xiphons, I just pic related
how do you get the motivation to start on a project? im in fl and mainly work in my garage so its hard after a long day to convince myself to get out there and start gluing shit together. any advice? adderall? caffeine?
>>94397149By not being a wimp.
>>94397149My problem is I have too many projects so I stall out on one and then another. But I get that. Do something that you enjoy that's just a part of the hobby. So if you like painting paint something non warhammer or just for the sake of painting. The enjoyment of it, and then that will get you motivated to paint more. As for building it's a bit harder, maybe do a cool kitbash or something for a leader or just for shits and giggles, and see if that gets you in the mood to build more.
>>94397159im gonna rape you
>>94397228You would have to get over here first.
>>94395818Anything new for cogboys or sisters.Seriously, there are like 8 positions in sisterhood's section on geedubz's site ..
>>94397280Toasterfuckers are definitely gonna get 28mm arlatax and dmech spoder walkers. Sisters get nothing, buy the female custards goyim.
>>94397280I love the dual pistol sisters, wish that was just a plastic upgrade sprue. Would consider doing and swords and gunslinger list of them if it was.
Do you think a champion can run around on his own in Zone Mortalis alright? I have an idea involving an eidolon of suffering Champion leading the force and making the opponent choose between stopping the khenetai going for his troops or a 5-9 attack Champion running around.
>thought I would finish my vets today after basing>three models have details I missed and I have to go back and finish themSave me from this eternal incompetence
So, the legion battlegroup comes with 3 squad upgrade sprues and i am making 2 tactical squad and 2 5-man HSS/TSS squad. So which sergeant should be left crestless? both tacts will get one but who should get it the heavy bolter or the assault cannon one?
>>94397567I'd say to leave both crestless at that point and to instead go with another form of indication. Every legion usually has some kind of identifier that's usually a stripe or some such.
>>94397457The problem with running a character solo is that whilst they still are a reasonable threat, they’re only 2-3 wounds at best; all it takes is a few lucky jabs to kill a character, and in the case of a champion you’re actually in a spot of trouble because champions are forced into issuing duels, so his killing potential is limited, then meanwhile everyone else is allowed to dogpile onto your champion and rip him apart.It’s a far more viable strat in ZM, but it’s still a gamble; remember that you can score bonus VP off of killing characters in ZM, so your opponent has high incentive to pivot and go after your champion if he is solo. If he had a way of healing up (thamurturgy let’s go ayyyyy) there’s potential for it to be a little less risky.
Got the other 8 vets finished with a little late night push. I now have a single Line unit!
>>94397772they're coming together nicely
>>94397783I finished the other members of the squad before so it's a completed unit, none of this coming together bullshit here
>>94397664Honestly I'm just kind of confused how you're supposed to make HQs work in ZM. if you want it at the start of the game, it's going to take 66% of you're reinforcements, and so either you start with an elite unit and get (probably) no line on the board (which means losing out on critical objective reinforcement points) or you put him in a troop unit and have to let your Elites catch up, or you start him off the board and have to wait 2 turns just to bring one guy on. I wish there just wasn't a mandatory HQ if you're going to make them so prohibitive to bring on. How is a Contemptor worth half the reinforcement points of a delagatus?
Make dreadnoughts WS4/BS4 or give them a 3+ save but you can't take brutal off their power fists.
>>94397772Black shield I assume?The paint job is well done, but due to the effect your going for it looks like a bit of a mess up close. I'm sure from tabletop distance the effect works a lot better. But that's just one randos opinion. I do really like the white face plates though that's something I may steal.
>>94397976I have to up the saturation on my camera to pick up details but it makes metallics shine too brightly and some other colors look odd. That white is actually bone, for example.
>>94397986That makes a lot of sense on why it looks so off. I have this green that if you look at it IRL it's green, it's like Jade Green by some company. But through my camera it looks teal. So my Salamanders force looks like a Sons o Horus army in photos.Either way white or bone, the face thing is an idea I'm stealing going forward, and the paintjob on all of them is well done.
>Dig out my old metal 40k masters of the chapter models to turn them into consuls>Forgot each one is a big metal piece and with the crux terminatus on their shoulders
>>94398016Same with the power fist. I was going to use him with some modifications, and then I noticed the crux on his fist and raged a little at myself for not seeing it earlier.
>TQMkVII Tactical Squad
>>94398073ReeeeeSpeaking of the forbidden mark. Ideas for turning an attack bike into a heresy kosher one?I was thinking I could cut and file down the legs to make them look, poorly like MK4 knee guards. Would be the 'easiest' way to do it. As well as to just use different torsos/helms.
>>94398058>crux>in my HH:AoDJesus Christ, how horrifying!
>>94398082It's very explicitly the crux terminatus. Not just any old one. Also it was more so a matter of I put it together and didn't notice the detail till everything was dry.I'm fairly picky about my own minis, I don't give a shit if my opponent isn't as much of a autist as me. Hell it's probably better if they aren't.
>>94398077Cover him in studs and give him mkV helmets. Mk5 is the designated "we don't fuckin know" mark
Can you split the Legion Imperialis box evenly between a Legion and Auxilia player?
>>94398129Sure, but the Legion models can't form any of the legal formations, and neither are at close point levels, and neither could use the titans at the point level they're at
>>94398087>It's very explicitly the crux terminatus.Pic or it's not.
I'm curious about Horus Heresy 2.0, /hhg/.I've heard of some HH games being set after the Horus Heresy, but using HH 2.0 rules. I.E. 40k CSM used to represent the Horus aligned marines but wholly fallen to chaos and their armour reflecting that.How common is this? How likely will I get in shit with players for using third party guard bits to represent my solar auxilia? Pic related's arms and axe are what I plan to use. Would printed papers with images and texts of the models and their corresponding units help remedy the problem of possibly being rejected from HH games for using third party models?Also how effective is it to put veletaris storm axe infantry in dracosan transports and rush them to the enemy?
>>94396911moar NL art pls
>>94398016Call it a mark of veterancy or something homie, it just adds to the bling of a model that deserves it
>>94398185>How common is this?Never in my life have I heard of this>Also how effective is it to put veletaris storm axe infantry in dracosan transports and rush them to the enemy?They can't charge out of it so horribly not effective
>>94398173It's packed up in a box. Guess it's not. I should be getting the boxes out of storage at some point, and I will post my HH era converted guy, with a crux terminatus on his fist. Just gotta remember what box has what. One of them has all my heresy bits..
>>94398185What model is that?I think it's possible to use third party models as Solar aux, some will give you shit for it ofc, but as long as they clearly have carapace armour and void proof suits you should be good. Money wise why not just use the new plastic infantry kits?
>>94398193>Never in my life have I heard of thisStrange. I always thought that it would have been more common as after the Horus Heresy there was The Scouring so maybe games of that kind are set during that time.>They can't charge out of it so horribly not effectiveMaybe they would have been too overpowered if that was possible.
>>94398199>so maybe games of that kind are set during that time.People play The Horus heresy to play in The Horus Heresy>Maybe they would have been too overpowered if that was possible.Maybe, not too sure on their stats
>>94398185>40k CSM used to represent the Horus aligned marines but wholly fallen to chaos and their armour reflecting that.>How common is this?It's fine for late heresy armies but a full on chaos army from 40k looks jarring. I think Word Bearers can pull it off best, but it's kind of low effort. Mixing in chaos bits with Horus heresy armour marks is fine thought for traitor legions.>Also how effective is it to put veletaris storm axe infantry in dracosan transports and rush them to the enemy?Beware that the dracosan is not an assault transport so you cannot charge from it
>>94398166You can make a demi-company, but have one command squad and one tank squadron spare. Unless he meant two players that play both Auxilia and Marines but I don't think he did.
>>94398199>>94398203>People play The Horus heresy to play in The Horus HeresyYou can still use some chaosy bits to represent legions' fall to chaos, what I meant is I've never seen people play "non heresy era" games using heresy
>>94398197>What model is that?Madrobotminiatures feudal axe arms example miniature. >Money wise why not just use the new plastic infantry kits?Short version: I have a 40k autism project of an irregularly uniformed 40k army suffering supply issues. Same colours across the board but different uniforms if that makes sense.I want to start an imperialis militia army with similar principles. >https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vEqeeJvj/the-imperialis-militia-joins-the-horus-heresy-in-a-new-exemplary-battles-download/Assuming that imperialis militia is still valid in Horus Heresy 2.0. and power axe units can still be used in those armies.
>>94398191Nice, looks amazing.I also used the sword guy with all the purity seals filed off as an HQ somewhere. Such a versatile kit.
>>94398194If it's the Master of the Arsenal (the only one I can think of with a fist), the crux on his fist looks like your typical straight sided iron cross found on HH models. Only his shoulder has the classic terminator honours on it, which I just chopped off and fixed with greenstuff.
>>94398220Here are the current Milita rules friend:https://assets.warhammer-community.com/horusheresy_legaciesoftheageofdarkness_imperialismilitia_eng_24.09-tyq53ht49b.pdfhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>>94398191Well done, but maybe if he had a full helmet he would not get sun burned so much??
>>94398229Just found a video to prove my pointhttps://youtu.be/l2Ycrglo6XU?si=FOxUjvz88OnIzM1d&t=449And I was wrong, it's just a skull inside a crux. That's great since it means I can just use that dude with no worries then. As I swore it was a crux termnatus before, but the model is packed up so I couldn't confirm for myself. Yeah I think I turned all but 1 of them into HH era dudemens. My kit is made of russinium sadly. I like the other masters of the X that weren't in the chapter master pack the most.The master of something, the one with the script, pimp cane and speaker is the coolest IMO.
>>94398231>power axe is in the listWell that's a relief! And thank you anon!
>>94398220>power axe units can still be used in those armies.Only the Solar auxilia Veletaris have access to an all power axe unit, only the sarge has access in Milita.
>>94398058My power-fist master marine's missing his power fist, actually, so I dodged that one.>>94398082>filenamelol>>94398191My autism tells me no, but I give your suggestion a try anon and see how they look painted.>SalamandersBased.
>>94398251>My power-fist master marine's missing his power fist, actually, so I dodged that one.Mine was too, but I replace it with one that also has a crux on it.
My master of rites conversion for an AL Chaplain. Sadly No matter how much hot water and bending I did, the speaker always fell back down. It was good like a year ago, and over the year it's flattened.Gods I wish they still sold those minis.
>>94398246Well I guess the army will be a massive proxy of the Solar Auxilia then. For better or worse my LGS has a Discord where I can arrange games so hopefully the chances of dealing with bad autism will be minimal. Time to do some rules reading. Thanks for the head's up though anon.
>>94398267>Well I guess the army will be a massive proxy of the Solar Auxilia then.Militia is only good for highly specific fluff builds and a few spam lists, for everything else you're safer going with SA. Especially with all the cohorts, you can do a bunch of other stuff. Like give dudes alternative weapons.
>>94397952When your warlord deploys onto the board at the start of the game, him and whatever unit he has joined goes down to half of their reinforcement points to deploy. So he’d be>2 points by himself or with a retinue>3 points with him in a troops or elite choiceThis actually makes them some of the best units. A common strategy is to take a praetor with a command squad.
>>94396863>>94396934>>94396997Please anon! We can only take so much scope!
>>94396412Oooh, what's the name of the Lucius Warbringer file?
>>94396997scope on the 1991 bolter would be better, it's got the skeleton stock (and nemesis bolters should have been based on it)appreciate the arm positions won't work for aiming but hey
>>94396258>>94396176Better idea. 28mm Imperator for HH... Breachers, but for Ligma only.
>>94396630Application also took about a week, and reduced their factory output for Tigers by something like 25%.The Nazi's were not smart people.
>>94398330I was thinking about running a unit of heavy bolter armed skyhunter veterans with power lances joined by a pretor and a librarian. Big investment, because it is two boxes for one unit. But I think should work okey, even if I don't play a strickt FA/jetbike legion.
>>94396790Because I'm biased after playing Half Life Opposing Force, yes they are fun
>>94396790How do you guys kitbash those?
>>94398917I just take primaris bolters with grenad launchers attached to them. There is one on every sprue of intercessors.
What is the normal way of painting your legion guys in a non standard colour. For example I want me DA to come from a Caliban stock, that escaped the destruction of the Dark Angle home world. And I want them to be loyalist with green armour. I would use the DA loyalist characters as counts as and the Lion as DA infused with chaos powers/demon prince. I just don't want them to be painted black/bone white. Just dark green and with red elements . Is there an official way how to do that? Can I play them as just loyalist DA, or do I have to play them as shattered legions etc?
>>94398917Would an underslung brass tube work, like a M203? You could probably cut off a bayonet's hilt as a connection to the bolter, but it might be a bit plain without ridges or some other detail.
>>94398917I don't run any, but I think the 40k combi-grav could work. Chop the muzzle and add some tube or something to it. You got the barrel, the "drum magazine", etc.
>>94398917I've seen several people take half the grenade harness from terminators and stick them under a bolter
>>94398185>40k CSM used to represent the Horus aligned marines but wholly fallen to chaos and their armour reflecting that.>How common is this?Not common and I'd refuse to play against that. It shows laziness, low care about the setting and is always a huge red flag on how the guy is going to play.>How likely will I get in shit with players for using third party guard bits to represent my solar auxilia?Just play militia, it's what it's exists for.>Pic relatedThe axe looks way too small and the guy doesn't even look like he's wearing carapace.>>94398245You can run them as chainaxes with feral which can be given essentially army-wide.
>>94398220>I have a 40k autism project of an irregularly uniformed 40k army suffering supply issues.That's the extreme opposite of aux.
>>94399103>That's the extreme opposite of aux.What do you think Penal and Feral Pattern Cohorts to be? And how is it that Marines in relative isolation can become a motley crew of armour, weapons and improvised gear, but SA remain crisp and clean come hell or high water?
>>94398917Stick a grenade on the muzzle of a bolter, like a rifle grenade
>>94398859You can't take skyhunters or command squads with jetbikes in ZM since they have the cavalry unit type, which is specifically stated as not being allowed to be taken.
>>94399149Those old IG mortar shells could work.
>>94399141That's not what they are, they are cohort types that recruit from those backgrounds not cohorts resupplied by them.>And how is it that Marines in relative isolation can become a motley crew of armour, weapons and improvised gearAux are supplied by a shitload of forgeworlds which just need to be able to produce things to their high specs while half the legions are literally starved supplies on purpose.
>>94399141>And how is it that Marines in relative isolation can become a motley crew of armour, weapons and improvised gear, but SA remain crisp and clean come hell or high water?Because when things go south and supplies are running out marines are still likely to survive, thanks to all their biological enhancements. SA are still regular people. When things go wrong and supplies run out, they're most likely dead, or just won't be in fighting condition.
Did Horus have a game plan for the morning after the siege?Even if he killed the Emperor / put him on his nu-Mournival whatever, he still has Ultramarines to deal with and Dark Angels/Space Wolves not far behind.
>>94399184>That's not what they are, they are cohort types that recruit from those backgrounds not cohorts resupplied by them.They're cohorts that are not all prim and proper, but have great variety of gear and personalized equipment to break the uniformity.>half the legions are literally starved supplies on purpose.No wonder they went to shit.>>94399206>resupply doesn't have enough new suits and guns for everyone>instead of using a mix of old and new equipment, everyone just dies from the shame of not being uniform
>>94399219According to what ADB wrote, Horus was a drooling meat puppet of chaos, and even before the siege actualy started the chaos gods or Chaos already planned Abbadon to be the real chosen of chaos, and the siege was a "good if it works, not a big problem if it doesn't" situation.
>>94399219Most likely the plan was to occupy the Imperial Palace, shore up the defences as much as possible, and hold down the fort. But considering Chaos was involved, and the mess under the Imperial Palace... What actually would have happened when the Emperor died and Malcador got vaporised by the Golden Throne, is that daemonic legions would have flooded the planet, shit hits the fan and a new warp storm centred on Terra would have erupted into existence.
>>94399219With the Emperor and Malcador gone, the Warp gate would surely break, turning Terra inside out with daemons. So Horus' forces would have a full on Daemonic incursion in Sol on their side. Even if loyalist forces drove the traitors out, there's no recovering Terra, maybe even losing all of Sol in the process. With Terra and Mars out of the picture, Imperium would surely fragment into smaller empires around the remaining primarchs.
>>94399253>what ADB wroteHe didn't wrote that
>>94399219by that point the warp would be expanding from Terra and the loyalist fleet would start bursting like ripe fruit with no astronomicon and navigators going mad. It actually would have ben a grievous strategic error to have moved on Terra rather than stay in the Ultramar sector since there'd be no escape.
>>94399219Terra would become a second Eye of Terror. If the fleet would get there it wouldn't do much because the solar system would have been already thrown into the warp.
>>94399250>They're cohorts that are not all prim and proper, but have great variety of gear and personalized equipment to break the uniformity.You are correct on that but they aren't undersupplied, they don't have even have restrictions on vehicles or equipment other than penal with veletarii because penal armymen are too undisciplined to get a meaningful number of veletarii out of them. You can still field the few that manage to become so. Not to mention that Horus' own cthonian auxilia regiments would be penal ones and traitor regiments are known to get the newest things like russes faster and in bigger numbers than loyalist ones. Same thing with feral, they even have less limitations when fielded as traitors.
>>94396699Make this into a pasta to spam whenever faggots cry about the new, non retarded WS chart.2.0 has a shit ton of issues the WS chart isn't one of them.
>>94396863What about an extra scope reads as 'special bolt ammo.'Change the magazine. Or literally go nothing, it's a special round and the rounds are already in the mag
>>94396911Chaplain or Champion.One buffs the entire squad.One does 'remove SGT from combat' duty
>>94397149> AdderallFaggot bitch
>>94397772Now THATS a magazine
>>94398194Just carve the shoulder pad off and put on another one.
>>94398003Thank you. Have fun with it.
>>94399589>What about an extra scope reads as 'special bolt ammo.'Official FW and GW kits for units that use special bolt ammo.
>>94398917Grey Knight Teleport back pack thingy
>>94399184Source on the pic quote?
>>94399740The Mechanicum novel but there are some more fluff blurbs referencing traitors being better supplied in the black books too.
>>94398917You glue this bit to the front grip of the bolter. By far the best looking kitbash to date.
>>94396911Librarian or Chaplain. That telepathic librarians pin works great with their bloody murder, gives you +1 to charge and an extra attack and ensures they cant turn off your sudden strike with reactions.A chaplains rerolls to hit is also great for a unit that basically has no issues with wounding.
>>94399748Cheers mate
>>94399759I used the shorter bit on the backpack for nade launcher.
>>94399850Np. Here it is in epub.https://gofile.io/d/FMBr3S
>>94399593>One does 'remove SGT from combat' dutyBasically every consul does that. Tbh I think a champion is actually a terrible fit for raptors because raptors are not a unit that wants to be fighting other elite units. NL in general have godawful tools for fighting elites in close combat and night raptors with their 3+ armor and zero good AP2 (power axes being the best) simply dont want those engagements. A champion on the other hand wants exactly those elite match ups, thats where their improved statline and paragon blade shine through.Raptors are for mercilessly bullying anything with 3+ armor, not for engaging with shit that they cant hurt and which will mulch them on the backswing. If you want to kill enemy elites as a night lord you use a lascannon or a laser destroyer.
>>94399857I use the longer bits because I can relate more to those.
>>94399893Cool bro you do you frend, I'm going to use them on the bolter barrel as a silencer instead
>>94399759That backpack is such a utilitarian piece
Can a TSon HQ join a unit of Khentai? I won't lie, I am bit confused by mixing Arcanas
>>94399966Says the guy who sticks people into machines to make them think
>>94399951Both power- and terminator armour GK kits are such a treasure trove of bits. Lots of one- and two handed swords, spears, cool helmets, and other useful bits. They still are some of the best, most complete kits GW has ever made. Everybody who plays marines should get at least one box in my opinion.
>>94399972They can, yes. But it does prevent the Khentai from using their special psychic power, which is the entire point of that unit.
>>94399992Okay, exactly what I expectedThanks
>>94399999>99999Anon no, you're messing with forces beyond your control
>>94399999Nice Tzeentch digits there, you TS interested fellow.It is an issue specifically for Khenetai, because of how their psychic power is worded. Other minor arcanas can be freely mixed and stacked.
>>94399999I was going to post this in the Wednesday art dump, but am summoned
>only find one of the legions interesting>it's thousand sons so they fucking blowDarn. Do all the legions need their special guys to function properly or is there a legion that's more conducive to fire and movement/combined arms?
>>94399886> champions want to fight other elite units > with their paragon bladeLmao retard who doesn't play alert. Paragon blades are shit this edition at fighting other elite combat units, since 99% of them have 2Ws and the paragon blade doesn't double them out. Even with WS6 you are getting 4 attacks on the charge, hit on 3s wound on 3s and they probably have a 5 to 4 up invulnerable. You kill like one, maybe two. What paragon blades ARE good at is almost risk free murdering 1w SGTs, as they get to strike before them and ignore their save. Other consuls don't get access to easy AP2 at intuitive, so they risk the lucky clap back if they want to use a fist or hammer (because the SGT might have one as well). Champion consul as a whole is trash this edition.
>>94399219>he still has Ultramarines to deal withTraitor legions with daemons could take out Ultramarines, problem was fighting Ultramarines and sieging Terra at the same time.>and Dark Angels/Space Wolves not far behindWolves are more or less dead after Yarrant, Dark Angels are more focused on burning random planets and, half of them went traitor on Caliban anyway. This 2 legions wouldn't be an issue once Terra is dealt with, especially when it would take out astronomican, meaning no navigation for loyalists.
>>94400055Every legion can make a very strong list using just the basic units that all legions have access to. Thousand Sons can actually make a very strong shooting army. Numeroleogist can give +1 BS to two nearby units, siege breaker can give something Sunder and also cast psychic powers to buff/debuff units, there's minor arcana that add sniping or make pinning even better. And that isn't even considering the Telepathy spam TS can do which just shuts down the enemy army completely. Strictly speaking none of the legions rely on their special guys or legion wargear to function properly. The main thing those do is add some more flavour, or provide some additional options when it comes to play style.This isn't 40k, where the rules force you to pick all the named characters and army's special snowflake units if you want a functional army. There is a long list of units that are strong regardless of legion rules, often even without them.
>>94399966Based guy who blew up his forge out of spite
>>94399219If he kills the emperor it literally doesent matter, he wins. He is at that point essentially a god. He snaps his fingers and terra becomes his demon-world capital. If he wants he can keep the time-bubble around it going for however long it takes to reconstitute his forces, or whatever other plan a mad pseudo-god comes up with.This is also assuming the remaining loyalists maintain the course once the emperor dies, rather than get lost in the warp with the astronomican gone/retreat once its clear that terra is lost.A lot of the "tactical ambiguity" regarding the siege of terra was removed in the HH books, horus turning off the shields wasnt an act of desperation equal to the emperor walking into the obvious trap, it was the action of an overconfident godling. He really was just going to win and threw (twice actually, he also did also just flat out beat the emperor, before being convinced to give up his chaos powers)
>>94400055TS can absolutely compete this edition, you just need to be better at the game than your opponents who just get +1 to bolters or some shit. They won’t beat a well tailored list played well, but they can absolutely clobber the plethora of morons who don’t understand that they can do something other than run straight forward and roll dice. Even though psychic powers are trash, there’s a couple that you can pull out to radically change how your opponent has to play. Pyromantic combustion is actually insanely good when spammed, as each template counts as its own thing, so with a couple of HQs you can create areas that enemy squads wills have to take 30-60 hits to be able to move (if you land a direct hit with pyro desolation, they’re guaranteed to take a second set of hits whether they stand still or move). Telepathy is excellent as you can reliably pin targets or just outright say “no reactions, fuck you” to units. Biomancy has a zero risk +1 to wound in melee, and can give you a turn of bonus durability. Though not nearly as good as other options, divination giving precision shots/strikes can do some serious damage picking off special weapons, sergeants, or characters for close assault units, and can be surprisingly good when smashing your big deathstar blob into theirs since you can pick out Primus medicaes, heralds, or anything else like that. Telekinesis and thaumaturgy suck, but you’re not limited to matching discipline with your arcana this edition. Minor arcana is, well, very minor, but corvidae and raptora still have real uses, and pyrae can do some real work for cheap assault units like despoiler blobs. None of this is using TS special units either.
>>94399589BS5 and Precision Shots.
>>94399219If Horus kills terra then the ultramarines arent assaulting terra, theyre assaulting a newfound demon world that borders the second newfound demon world of mars. The hellscape that is the siege of terra continues except now there is no "eye of the storm". Time and space continue to be fucked and guilliman probably finds the bridge of his ship suddenly bordering horus's throne room before he gets smashed to bits.If Horus somehow turns the emperor/convinces him to join his team? He stands a legitimate chance of turning significant portions of the loyalist forces against him. The loyalist cause was fighting for the emperor and his perceived ideals, if the golden daddy bends the knee then thats basically gone, its game over. You would have those who would go down swinging because at that point theres nothing but rage left, but many would follow their god.If you go by pure military factors? It would be hard for horus, he would essentially be forced to now defend the ruined fortress he just took, but even then you have a very significant number of forces left at his disposal, both mortal and demonic, and the nearby mars also presenting a reasonable bastion of his cause.
>>94400055A lot of the strongest things in this edition are legion agnostic, rather than unique units.Dreadnought spam? Everyone can do it, and while some legions might do it slightly better than others its still going to be insanely strong.Thunder hammer command squads? Everyone can do it and theyre one of the strongest melee units in the game.Lascannon HSS? Everyone can do it.You can and will win games purely on fundamentals.
I like how Blackshields are like Shattered Legions but actually playable
The Black Books have Tartaros with Crux Terminatus, they are canon>NOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE-Didn't ask, go cope somewhere else>BUT BY THAT LOGIC THERE ARE TOURISTS ON PROSPERO!They're daemons
>>94400494>>BUT BY THAT LOGIC THERE ARE TOURISTS ON PROSPERO!I personally consider that canon and occurring like a scene out of a Mel Brooks movie.>And to your right, you can see the 74th Centennial of the 3rd Brotherhood of the Thousand Sons Legion making a desperate last stand, Please no flash photography, Against what appears to be the remains of several siege dreadnought talons formed into an ad hoc kill squad. Moving on, mind the shrapnel, we see to your left the remains of the Great Library of Tizca.
>>94400521Considering warzone tourists exist in real life, it doesn't seem too far fetched that there would be lunatics in the Imperium who want to see the fabled Astartes in action and have no regard for their own lives.
>>94400521>>94400573He's not saying tourist models. In Inferno, the shots they used on the book were from the Warhammer World display of the Burning of Prospero, and some of those had pictures of visitors looking at the displayers that weren't cropped out.
>>94400587There are no tourist models, which is why FW left the tourists in the photographs of ruins they used :^)
In one of the arts from RT times, there was a camera team of people from the 50th millenium that time traveled to make videos about the "Dark History of Humanity".
>>94400587Wrong.FW use photoshoped models for images, sometimes they add battle effect like gun firing, sometimes they add dust or sometimes they add background.In inferno they used Egypt Pyramids for some pic of Tizca. One of the photo had british explorers form XIX or early XX century near pyramid that were not photoshoped out.It's literally earth tourists in Egypt in your heresy black book.>>94400494>They're daemonsNo they are observers either from Council of Terra, Emperor's War Council or from Warmaster who are having little bit of harmless fun while Imperial justice is executed. You want to have some memories.>>94400521>I personally consider that canon and occurring like a scene out of a Mel Brooks movie.Correct take.
>>94400587No, as in actual tourists on holiday to Egypt
>>94400638probably the instability of the warp picked up some unfortunate english folk from the XIXth century and thrown them there.
The burning of Prospero never happened. Wake up sheeple.
>>94400670Imagine the amount of false information and gaslighting that would be making the rounds during the HH, specially with the Alpha Legion trolling both side.
>>94400716I wish they used more of it in the fluff. Even before the heresy there were entire organs of the crusade devoted to that like the elucidators, the assassins, the chosen, the hidden masters, etc... and numerous important points revolve around this like what happened to the thunder warrior, emps in general, what would happen to the legions after the crusade if it did succeed and more.
>>94400521That's just a TS seeker sergeant
>thought I would refurbish some dreads and build a contemptor today>forgot one of the contemptor's arms at home>no hot water at work so I can't repose the warped barrels>box dreads need another strip too and I forgot a piece at home anywayI knew yesterday went too well
Finished a pred today
3 different seeker mockups, continued from yesterday:Mk4, nuMk3, Mk6
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>>94401147Use all 3 in the same squad, of course.
>>94396699Cherry picking out a situation like that? How about a questoris knight vs a catapractii command squad? It gets 1 hit from it's 3 attacks, 2+ to wound which then has a 50/50 chance of been invuln saved. The problem comes from the d6 system not allowing any more gradual difference to shine through. I personally prefer the old chart to keep a check on the most elite of melee.
>want to make a power maul veteran squad >Was just going to give them mauls and bolt pistols >The HAVE to take a bolter >Don't want the carrying them on straps because it looks cluttered and doesn't really fit my dudes>No one handed left boltguns and everyone I've seen a conversion of them they look awful Truly, we live in a society
>>94401147Fuck numarks, bin them and only use proper FW ones in your army. Total HH2.0 sissy death.
>>94401296This wasn't an issue back when bolters came without hands moulded on them. nu-GW really hates kitbashing, and seems to do everything in their power to cock block it. It's depressing how much the quality of products has been going down the shitter. Specially with how it's often sold as "improvement and convenience", with most people just mindlessly falling for the scam.
>>94401296Take a plasma pistol from the new marine kits, cut the plasma pistol around the hand.Take a bolter from the older Mk3 or Mk4 kits, cut the hand off, then glue that to the plasma hand and voila, now you have left handed bolters. >>94401334It's sometimes inconvenient but the new bolters with a hand already sculpted on them just look better. They grip it more natural.
>>94401354>They grip it more natural.Ah yes, because in reality the hand seamlessly merges into the front grip when holding a weapon too.
>>94401354Not a bad shout, I'll try it.>>94401334It's such a weird chose because the heresy lends itself to customising even more than old 40k did.
>>94401138fixed.
>>94395818>TQ Give me an imperator titan for AT pls
>>94401373>the heresy lends itself to customising even more than old 40k did.Don't worry they'll fix that
>>94401462Oh boy, I sure can't wait for HH 3.0 coming next summer!
>>94401296I'm gonna be honest chief I just don't even bother modeling the other choice, either they're melee and I give them their weapon + Pistol or they're carrying a special weapon so I model them like that mag lock their Melee weapon to their leg
>>94401491who is the Trump of GWs studio?
>>94401579Who even knows at this point but if I had to lay the blame at someone's feet it would be anuji. Heresy has never been as half-assed as it was when he was in control.
Anyone got that photo of the band kid wearing a bunch of tubas, with the teacher looking at him, captioned "Emperor of Mankind confronts Horus Lupercal on the Vengeful Spirit"? I need it for reasons but can't find it in my image folder.
>>94401462always pray the thing you enjoy never becomes popular
What is the origin of the anvillus backpack? Is it an outgrowth of mk5 philosophy of patching/modifying existing equipment? Why is it more associated with traitor legions and by extension chaos space marines?
>>94401853>Why is it more associated with traitor legions and by extension chaos space marines?Probably because Anvilus had traitors. Legio Vulpa was from there, no?
>>94401853It was a prototype for void operations. It's associated with traitor legions because it was in the CSM box for 20 years.>>94401856Anvilus had a massive civil war that the loyalists eventually won, but it was odd because both sides killed anyone who tried to third party.
>>94401932>both sides killed anyone who tried to third party.Based, no gay interventionism
>>94401709Might be a bit too late for that, SM 2 has put Warhammer firmly in the cross-hairs of the normies.
>>94401990Brother it's been too late since 5th edition, dawn of War was early 2000s.
>>94401147Ew, Primaris triple-scopes. Please no.
>>94402047Not really, until recently people had no idea what they were looking at when you showed them warhammer. These days? When some random people off the street walk into the LGS to look at getting a boardgame and they see warhammer figures, you can hear them say 'Oh look, aren't those that warhammer thing?' 'Yeah I think so, don't people build and paint those themselves or something?'It's quite the surreal experience.
>>94402047Nah it's only recently that GW made their hype machine buisness model that was pushing new models all the time and remaking older ones and cutting the non-painting hobby articles off their webpage.SM2 is actually autustic enough to not be such a problem but the casualization damage has already been done.
>>94397348You vill use troonstodes and you vill ze like it.. Speaking of custodes, how are they doing popularity and rule wise in heresy? Are they WAACfaggotry incarnated?
>>94402111Their rules are quite disappointing, and make the army extremely one-dimensional. Custodes have to spam basic troops, maybe take one or two fancier units, and either survive the enemy's shooting to make it into combat and absolutely crush everything in melee without contest, or they don't and just lose. Not even custodes players enjoy it, or at least the ones that I know off.
>>94401932>Anvilus had a massive civil war that the loyalists eventually won, but it was odd because both sides killed anyone who tried to third party.so just election year every year?
>>94400043NiceThanks for sharing
>>94401152Black metal recipe for the tank?
>>94401138Is that the Ontario driver’s handbook I see?
>>94401147Since I hate the new Phobos, I'd go with anything else.
>decided to commit to giving my contemptor a plasma cannon because big shiny gun>twin volkite culverin is the obviously better choice>but I already decided on the plasma cannonNext on: What looks cooler?
>>94403275Looks cooler? Plasma Cannon
>>94403275You fell into aesthetic trap, taste changes, one day you like volkite more, next month plasma seems cooler. All of this while rules endure.Always follow the rules anon, don't let others to convince you otherwise.
Bait
>>94403275both with the magic of magnets
>>94403308magnets are boring
>>94403495Yes. Fuck magnets. Make two dreadnoughts.
>>94403275I don't care for the twin-volkite look. Should've just made it fatter. In general I don't find side-by-side weapon arrangement on the contemptor that appealing. They always look like they're too wide and get in the way. Single guns or under-over arrangement, like with the old HBs, is best.
>>94403512>8 dreadnoughts later
>>94403524MAKE 8 MORE
>>94403522>Single guns or under-over arrangement, like with the old HBs, is best.Objectively true
>>94403531My brother in blood I have TWENTY SIX
>>94403533Twenty seven, actually
>>94403533MAKE 26 MORE.PLAY DARK ANGELS.PLAY STORM OF WAR.EXCEPT INSTEAD OF TACTICAL MARINES, DREADNOUGHTS.NOT TALONS.TACTICAL SQUADS OF DREADNOUGHTS.
>>94403522Side-by side is objectively better (with the sole exception of the old heavy bolters) for contemptors, while over-under is better for boxes.
>>94403543But boxes don't exist anymore
Dark Mech should just be vehicle profiles and you can purchase weapons for them in whatever combo you want but you must have everything on the model itself of it counts as destroyed when the game starts.
puny handheld augury scanners cannot comparebuilding my dudes is a lot more fun when I just wing it instead of following the booklet huh
>>94403785>spoilerTrue!
>>94403785>Brothers, be alert we have word of enemy deep strikers!>They could come from anywhere>Like RIGHT FUCKING THERE even
>>94403631God I might have never played with the original one but I wish GW would just do a "here's a VDR rules supplement for HH with formula for figuring out points based on chassis, weapon and upgrade choices, and faction." They won't, but a man can dream...
>>94403869Necromunda lets you make custom shit for your gangs.
>>94402638Forgeword scheme for the Iron Hands, as follows: 1. Undercoat the model with GW black undercoat spray2. Drybrush layers of Rub and Buff Pewter to blend up from black to silver. with the silver parts being the most raised areas.3. A small amount of Tamaiya Clear Yellow was added to Tamaiya Smoke and this was airbrushed over the whole model and the model was then left to dry.4. GW Druchi Violet was then airbrushed over the model in random patches.5. Tamaiya Clear Green was then airbrushed in patches over the previous two colours.6. The whole model was airbrushed with a layer of thinned down Tamaiya Smoke and the model was then left to dry.You’re supposed to finish with purity seal but I generally like the ultra gloss. Don’t try this unless you’re willing to deal with the absolute fucking bitch that Tamiya smoke is.
>>94403785The 31st millenia's equivalent of Battlefield 3 flashlights.
>>94403785Is this that one apothecary's friend?
>>94403785Galaxy Defence Light.
>>94403785Light up the galaxy for humanity and the Emperor, go forth and spread the imperial truth brother!
If I wanted to learn more about the Word Bearers actual theology, what they say they believe and what they tell people to convince them, are there any sources at all I could read or watch, official or otherwise, to get into it
>>94401296I'm tempted to use the Sisters of Silence bolters on the back pack side bc they are smaller.
>>94401313The FW ones are OOP, gotta use recasts.I just used scopes from anvil industry on the mk4 bolters
>>94399987>>94399951Indeed, the insane amount of bits made the box a treasure. We will never have that again with nu-GW.
>>94399101>You can run them as chainaxes with feral which can be given essentially army-wide.That's not too bad really. Admittedly I am a bit new to Horus Heresy as a game so there are a lot of parts in the rules where I will be missing on my first read or forgetting after my first read. The rules somewhat reminds me of older 40k editions.
>>94399987>one- and two handed swords, spearsBut those are force weapons, anon, totally different from power weapons!
>>94400638>>94400670It was edited model photographs like these that drew me into Horus Heresy. They're stupidly simple looking yet I know that the actual editing and making of those images is more complicated than just cropping models off a green screen and then throwing effects and filters over the images.
My recast veletaris flamers came in today and I want to assemble them so badly but I know I should probably paint more models before I do
>>94401990>>94402047vidya doesnt grow the hobby itself as much as you'd think, we often forget what the average 40k fan approaches the setting like since we're the rare few that are actually heavily involved in the hobby, even more so as the 30k community than the majority of the niche who are into the wider 40k hobby. 99% of people who play SM2 will just stick to the vidya, at best they'll buy one of the actions figures or funko slops to put on their shelf or check out a lore video and fall asleep quarterway through since it isn't instant gratification. This is the average warhammer experience for normalfag "fans", they are literally just there to watch or play as big space men killing things on a screen, just like how most star wars "fans" just want to watch magic space wizards swing glowing swords on a screen and aren't actually real involved fans of the media. These hypercasual warhammer "fans" won't even know what the difference between a primaris and firstborn marine is, and likely doesn't even know some of the major factions even exist since they're not often depicted in games. It is to the degree I bet most of them don't even know there's a model hobby attached to the IP, a lot of people you encounter in life are genuinely super shallow or completely lacking in hobbies.
>>94404224Always buy from chadcasters.
>>94404338I know about Blackmarket but what about Dark? Anybody got experience with Dark? Dark is legit, right?
>>94404340War...
>>94404342You bought from WTG? I've heard the casting quality isn't that bad. What put dark in my line of sight is because the business offers "spruecasting" which I assume is hard plastic recasting. I assume all the metal minis the store offers are in resin. Seems too good to be true though. So I want verification before I bite the bullet and make a purchase.
>>94404340I ordered some shit from this chinaman on ebay the other week and his quality is really good although a bit more pricey than independent webstore recasters or old school guys like Z, try to find him before his store gets shut down
>>94404347>You bought from WTG?Yes>I've heard the casting quality isn't that bad. You heard correctlyWTG has plastic kits available for recasting, never bothered with them cuz recasting a sprue sounds like it would attract warping of the HIGHEST degree
>>94404350>WTG has plastic kits available for recastingI thought WTG always recasted using resin. Which is why I usually just get originally in resin stuff from them.
>>94404353Oh I thought you meant recasting plastic sprues using resin, IDK if dark recasts plastic using plastic
>>94404354I looked up dark and apparently he is legit but takes a long time to ship so I guess I'll bite the bullet and make a "test order" from him and report back in like 3 months assuming I can even remember to report back after that time.
>>94404364Picrel is me right now
Erm, what the spruce? Why is this Sons of Horus marine using a MKVII helmet?
>>94404375
>World Eaters>Sons of Horus>Blood Angels>HURR DURR Imperial FistsWe started the war. We carried the war (tbf Iron Warriors did a lot of work too). We founded the Loyalists' religion and the Traitors' religion too. We have unique units on par with Dark Angels, Rites of War on par with the Fists, the best unique reaction in the game, the only thing holding us back from being S++++ tier is our shitty Legion Trait. But we only have it because of our unwavering faith to the Dark Gods (and the Emperor, in the Anchorite's case). We won 40k.
>>94404375>armour autism baitI'll bite: because Index Astartes art was not just made before the current designs were solidified, it was also wrong for the time. Just like that retarded pre-heresy IF in MkVII with a red helmet.>>94404386"Sarum helmets" were indeed FW trying to address this issue. But despite a decade+ of people with prosopagnosia, they're not proto-MkVII, but proto-MkV. There's not a single MkVII helmet ever made with those side cables/studs. That's why there were so many guides to greenstuff MkVII helmets into those.
>>94404386wait a minute, so the primars armour with the ball foot joints is just a call back to old armour types from the past. So it is not just the helmet. Very cool.
>>94404398>We won 40kRemember when Kor Phaeron realized he had always been manipulated by Lorgar from the start, even when he was beating him as a kid? Why do you think the dissapearance of the Custodes assigned to watch Lorgar was handwaved and never investigated?Now try to guess who's been really pulling the strings of everybody in this setting.
>>94404448Primaris MkX armour is just upscaled MKVIII with a MkIV face plate.
>>94404443>they're not proto-MkVII, but proto-MkV.Only thing Sarum and MkV share is the respirator unit, according to the black books.>That's why there were so many guides to greenstuff MkVII helmets into those.There's people who cut up their 1/100 scale tanks to model them with the correct number of spokes on the wheels or correct bend on the exhaust, so it shouldn't be any surprise armour autists have to go out of their way to make every detail exactly correct in their eye.
>>94404448yeahRavenwing bikers in mkVI have it, mkII and mkIII from FW and GW had it from the startthe ones that don't have it have those little tubes, which suggests the intention is that there's gyroscopic stabilising in the ball ankles and more advanced marks like IV and VI and VII have hydraulic stabilising>>94404443>There's not a single MkVII helmet ever made with those side cables/studsthere's multiple different formats being used as "Sarum" in>>94404386 ; some have tapered arches and some have square arches (l-r top/bottom tapered, square, square , tapered, square, tapered)the square arches are the only ones with the "septum studs"the tapered arches (plus an additional cable either side) are more or less what's present in the current 40k 2012-sculpt Tactical box (as far as tapered arches in that box go) which makes sense as that's what was on sale when HH1 was released and the variation between the two types of "Sarum" helm is so great that it's clearly intended to represent the equally large variation between mkVII helmets, or you guys have been so wrapped up in armour autism that an entirely separate pattern has been misidentified as "Sarum"the tapered/square arch variance goes back to 1992's metal space marine sculpts which also introduce a slight variance of nootness, as with the differing angles of the various mkIV helms; none of these, however, are mkV helms, which are classically both their own thing and more spread at the jowls like Indomitus terminator helmets
>>94404523So? The respirator unit/face plate is what we're talking about here. "Sarum helmets" are MkIV helmets with a proto-MkV "Mantilla pattern" grille.>>94404546The ankle balls are 100% a MkVIII feature, and Ravenwing like many other 40k marines wear a mix of armour parts. The "little tubes" are just a necessity of the plastic injection molding process, and that's why they don't appear in resin minis. The grille shape variations are irrelevant.
>>94404462aa that is very cool. Thanks, I don't know much about old pre this edition things. >>94404546it is stuning how much the designers thought about all those things.
Only six SIX days until Mark II anons
>>94404582>I don't know much about old pre this edition things.Don't worry, many self-appointed oldfags do not know much either. They just parrot what they were exposed to as kids, but they missed loads of things GW was doing. Then they act like new stuff is somehow out of nowhere or unfluffy despite loads of evidence against it.
>>94404598The monkey paw curls...
>>94404572>The ankle balls are 100% a MkVIII feature
>>94404604monkeys paw has three fingers, what were they for Heresy 1.0? Something like:wish one: No more AP2 pie plateswish two: good psychic phasewish three: plastic troops kits ?
>>94404607Yes, the ones in MkX are. They're bigger and flattler like MkVIII unlike the smaller and rounder ones in mk2/3. Which makes perfect sense as a natural progression.
>>94404618MkVIII only has them on the inside of the ankle while MkII/III and X have them on both sides.
>>94404624Wrong
>>94404630Redesigned to be more like primaris. Meanwhile, all the old models got them only on the inside. And old MkII and III have them on both sides, just like later versions.
>>94404601Thanks. I only started yestarday got a box of tactical space marines for my birthday and have an assault marine box promised for Black Peter. Ton of fun building them, with my mom and dad. I have to decide on a legion and a hero to be my leader. For now I like Dorner and Lemman Russ, the best. There is also Sanaginius, but while the art is great, the model doesn't seem nice, plus it looks like a horror to construct.
Can someone feed me some more nuanced fluff on the Luna wolves? And Horus. I really love the black legion aesthetic the most but all I ever seen to read was that they were close to the best and the poster boys. But nothing is ever elaborated on. the only striking detail is how they kept some culture from the gangs back on their hive cities.As for Horus he's even more of a blank slate. All I get is that he was vaguely charismatic and personable with the other primarches. Not like sanguinius who was just nice and chill. Horus was apparently cool like an older brother. As the faces of the black legion I wish there was even to their modus operandi, their x factor, like what made them stand out. More personality. We know blood Angels are like noble vampires lead by alucard. We got space Rome and space caesar. Dorn is notable for having NO personality but that's ironically a great personality, plus he has the most stoic and hardcore legions.
>>94404598huh?
>>94404639>Redesigned to be more like primarisWTF? The DW vets kit in MKVIII is from years before primaris and if anything it was part of the MkIII-IV plastic releases going on at the time. Which is also why Ravenwing minis and other SM kits mixing armour marks featured them.
>>94404642>>94404648
>>94404665DW Veteran are 2016, Primaris 2017. The MkVIII legs in the 2012 Sternguard kit have the plates only on the inside.
What is the source of this information that the MK2 is coming out soon?
>>94404682
>>94404685Understandable.On a semi related note do you all think that the Mk7 will be released for the Siege of Terra part of the Horus Heresy?
>>94404710Yes. For Ligma
Added a couple contemptors to the list and now it feels a little oppressive? The dreads are melta/fist and dual volkite so not super tough, but maybe I need something else in there?
>>94404710My prediction is they're going to incluse Scouring into 30k. HH is the Age of Darkness and Scouring the Era of Ruin (based on the leaked anthology set after the Siege)?
>>94404681And the Ravenwing bikers are from 2013. Minis are designed many years in advance.From the ear flaps to the style of the ball ankles, MkX is an evolution of MKVIII and not a callback to mk2/3 no matter how much you want it to. It's not a debate, the designers have stated it themselves.
>>94404746>Ravenwing If you bothered to look at the models, you'd note that on the Ravenwing the disks are up on the greaves, and only on the outside. Meanwhile MkIII, VIII and X have the armour wrap around the disk at the bottom of the greaves. There's also an older pair of Ravenwing legs with the disk only one one leg, making it seem more of a decorative element.>no matter how much you want it toYou're the one talking about evolution of designs, but are adamant balls/disks on the ankles did not exist before MkVIII.>the designers have stated it themselves.[citation needed]
>>94404802The inner part of Ravenwing biker legs is featureless to not interfere with them sitting, duh>[citation needed]See pic related. This has always been obvious, but Jes has said it several times in interviews.
No more 40k talk
>>94404910>Spread those cheeks, I'm gonna search your cavety
>>94404737Anyone?
>>94404340Warp Master is the best one I know. Mostly does 40k/30k marines and other human factions.
I have a question. When I play AL, do my "borrowed" units have to be painted like AL or the way the parent legion is painted?
>>94405147>False colours>We also have those toys you though were exclusive to youBoth are valid choices
>>94405147Think it's really up to your interpretation desu; I think most people interpret it as "these are marines that have infiltrated the units in question and have suddenly turned their guns on them" so going with that they'd be painted like the unit normally is, maybe with some paint chipped away to show AL colours underneath if you really want to tie them in. I have seen someone go with the concept that the AL have just studied the unit in question a lot and made their own "version" of it, so for example a group of AL have been doing extensive reconnaisance on firedrakes, fed as much info as possible back to the company command who then train and replicate their tech and tactics until they basically have their own AL firedrakes, which then could justify having special squads painted up and decorated in AL theming.
>>94404910>PEOPLE CALLED ULTRAMARINES THEY GO THE HOUSE
>>94405147
Okey,thanks. I will just paint my army in imperial fist colour then.
>>94405147Rewards of Treachery is open to interpretation and even modelling.>AL LARPing in another legion's colors, or a scuffed mimicry of it - going all the way with the act>matching models, but in AL livery - a flattering or mocking imitation of a cousin's elite in the ghost legion's colors>AL models with identical or similar wargear, but not a direct match in design (ie plastic Cataphractii termies than resin legion ones) - imitation not necessarily in appearance, but in practiceEither of these could be lazy or good, depends on how you approach it. Wololo
>>94404682Source on MkII? Valrak. He's been talking about new big box in 2025 with MkII and Saturnine for a while now and I believe him.>>94404710MkVII will definitely be released for The Scouring after all the other Marks get their kits. It's part of preserving MkVII after their inevitable replacement in 40k but also an opportunity to reactivate Badab after all the kits are done. Forge World started Horus Heresy because they had a bunch of models with different Marks for Badab, I bet now it's going to be the other way around.
>>94405270Badab was a stepping stone, but the HH game was always going to happen after the success of Visions, the BL novels, and so many people doing conversions and fandexes online.But Badab, like Armaggedon or Vraks is past history, anon. GW has been focusing in new campaigns since 6th/7th (which incluides the HH itself). The only reason Vraks even got a recent novel was to feature Krieg guardsmen, the war is background noise.
>>94405270>and I believe him.Ah yes, because he was also right about that new melee dreadnought pattern coming to HH. Oh wait.
>>94405292That's why Badab suits perfectly the Specialist Game Studio (exFW). Also, in the new redesigns they tend to lean towards the OG looks for some armour and weapon elements, like the new Mk3, Power Fist etc. They seem to be going back to the roots, where the 90's Badab War dwells.
>>94404598>that helmetKeep it.
>>94405318Are you sure he was talking about HH? I remember him predicting Melee Dreadnought for Primaris and he was right.
>>94404457>Remember when Kor Phaeron realized he had always been manipulated by Lorgar from the start, even when he was beating him as a kid?Nta. How specifically? I didn't read that book
>>94405346Yes. Even in here everybody was hyped and speculating as a result of it.
>>94404457>It was the child that made me molest him!Classic paedophile behaviour. This isn't proof of Lorgar being in control, this is just Kor Phaeron justifying his horrific deeds.
>>94405346I also remember that(>>94405353) so that makes two of us.
>>94405147You gotta paint half in the original colors, then the other half in Alpha colors, with a lightning effect between them. Facebook style ;^)
>>94405270>My source? Why, the youtuber who preys on gullible fucks for views of course!>>94405353I'm pretty sure (hoping) that it was just an anon or two samefagging. We've had an anon literally admit to making up a dumbass "3.0 is coming guys" rumour just for the sake of shit stirring. This thread is unfortunately easy prey for people looking for morons
Mk2ussy
>>94404889>featureless to not interfere with them sittingGolden Keshig got no problems having details on the inside of the legs, including the ankle balls.>pic relatedLeg armour sharing design with Mk. VIII is very different from "MkX is upscaled MkVIII with MkIV face plate". But I'm willing to concede the point.
>>94405375>anon literally admit to making up a dumbass "3.0 is coming guys" rumourThat was damage control. The lie is pretending it is a lie. Thus, it isreal
Yes, I know nobody paints here. But are there any anons that know a good alternative to GW's Leadbelcher? Fed up with GW's cancerous paint containers, so switching to other manufacturers for my paints but don't know what colours look like irl yet.
>>94404613Aside from the plastic troops the other 2 have been fulfilled pretty well desu
>>94405270Remember that Valrak also claimed MKII and V were coming back when HH2.0 launched. He’s not infallible, he’s a rumor monger.
>>94404350>recasting a sprue sounds like it would attract warping of the HIGHEST degreeI've gotten recasted sprues from Z and it does, a lot. But the parts themselves are not any more warped than any other resin recast.
>>94405410And they are coming. They are most likely already done, GW is just slow as fuck when it comes to releases, we had to wait 2 years for a fucking melee upgrade
>>94405399Vallejo's metal series is pretty good, it's what all the fancy youtubers use to paint as well; gunmetal I believe is the look-alike substitute you'd use, though burnt iron and aluminium are also good subs if you're looking for something slightly darker or slightly lighter. Personally I find vallejo to be a little inconsistent though; when the pigment mix is good the paints look fantastic but sometimes they can be super watery and mucked up for some reason. I've just started using scale 75 for one of their metal colours and it's very nice to work with; haven't worked with it, and it looks a little darker, but “thrash metal” might be a good alternative maybe?>Yes, I know nobody paints here.Sorry im trying to go as fast as I can, but it took me 2 hours just to put water slides on. I wanna post more WIP pics but i imagine anons are getting tired of looking at the same 10 riflemen
>>94405436“And they are coming!!!!” Sure man.
>>94405352>All a show, Kor Phaeron thought with a lump in his throat and a tightness in his chest.>Lorgar desired a god to worship, above all else, and would stop at nothing to find it. Nothing.>He had endured, for it was the Urizen's way to avoid strife. Always, despite all setbacks small and grand, Lorgar prevailed. Kor Phaeron thought of the beatings he had given him as a youth. At any moment he might have employed the Voice, could have commanded Kor Phaeron to stop, to obey his merest whim.>But he had not.>Why? Why had he put up with the humiliation, the physical pain, the disdain of his adoptive father?>The surest disguise for his own ambition had been to hide it within the cloak of another's…>All that had occurred, from the moment he had stepped from the tent in the great expanse of Colchis' deserts, Lorgar had desired. Perhaps not desired, but allowed. He had allowed Kor Phaeron to take him from the Declined. He had allowed the chastisement, even speaking and fighting on behalf of his abuser.>And now that he had finally cast off the illusory faith in the Emperor and rededicated himself to the Powers, what now? Did he need Kor Phaeron?- Lorgar, Bearer of the Word
Finished up my Ashen Circle
>>94405436Just say it every year, and one year you'll be proven right.
>>94405444Thanks a lot anon.
>>94405517Haven't seen ashen circle painted in HH era WB colours before, looks good.
>>94405346Didn't Valrak used to have an actual, legit GW insider sending him info before that got shut down?I don't really follow rumor shit that closely but if I had to guess, Valrak's new inside man probably works for the mini department since he seems to be fairly accurate with new mini releases, but the mini team and the rules teams probably don't have a lot of cross-collaboration. I would bet that this guy saw stuff like the salamanders and IW transfer sheet and mayyybe heard something secondhand within GW about a new rules refresh for HH, thus the rumor that 3.0 was coming with salamanders and IW.
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>>94405165Weren't Thousand Sons one of the few legions AL couldn't infiltrate because of the psykerness?
>>94405683Don't know if they outright couldn't infiltrate them but the Black Books do say the 1k sons kept far away from them
>>94404462And gay kneepads, and gay belly armor, and a gayer chestplate
>>94405880>How can we improve the chestplate?>Hmmm.... wait I got it! Let's add gaps in the armour for no good fucking reason!
>>94405893Those are elbows.
>>94405925I'm not getting dragged into another knees vs vents discussion.
>>94404462>>94405880>>94405893I want to believe MkX could have looked decent. If only
>>94405956Dreads be like "my drip"
>>94405956They're elbows, not knees.
>>94405967I wonder. Slap some mkV style cables from the bib to the backpack. It'll cover up the vents, integrate the bib a bit more. Might make it look a bit better.
>>94406144This, they are on the upper body. I'm not sure how one would confuse them with knees.
>>94406166But if it's upper body it could be armpits or elbows?
>>94406166Well GW's porportuons have never been great so it's easy to get confused
>>94405893Grills or ribs, chat?
>>94406183Grilled ribs
>>94406176The mystery grows.
Getting pretty close to finishing Alpharius.I'm kinda dreading the moment I have to apply the snow effect.
>>94406153they technically have that, it just doesn't go far up the frontI'd go the opposite direction, simplify the details, like one piece legs like you see on some minis like picrel, or a 1 piece abdomen.Simplifying the chestpiece and removing the fake pecs would also go a long way.I think large smooth plates is the strongpoint of SM armor, and even Marks like 2 or 5 play on that aspect, one with recesses/rings (mk2) and the other with cables and rivets (mk5)
>>94406309I am glad everyone who paints that marine agrees it's an Imperial Fist
>>94406332Death to pissboys.
I'll post these again in proper lighting when they're fully done - just put the texture paste on these 15 dudes and fuck me it's never taken me longer to do basic bases before. Almost 1 hour for no good reason.
>>94406490Good job, Anon
>>94402047Videogames in the early oughts and videogames now aren't even a little comparable. DoW recruited people from a larger pool of a different kind of nerd because back then only nerds played PC strategy games. SM2 is an action game in a world where gaming is seen as a completely normal everyday hobby by anyone under 30 years old and streamers will play shit from IPs they have zero experience with and end up unleashing their simps into with an understanding of those IPs based entirely on their own misunderstandings and shitty in-joke memes from that streamer's playthrough.Even the Total War games are mainstream enough now that the TWWH outings created the biggest influx of cancer into WHFB circles since End Times, what SM2 is going to do to 40K...oof.
Honestly, sometimes I wish I could just forget about all these meta rules. No, my dudes may be death guard but im barely using any of their legion rules or any of their legion units or upgrades, no I don't want to use Rites of War because i just want to play a decent all rounders list, no I don't wanna play Blackshields and be forced to use some whacky options that force me into a skew list, no I don't want to do Shattered Legions because I only have a few models from other legions. Am I just too 5th pilled?
Played a game with Word Bro todayHighlights:>10 man Tart squad killed half of a Brute squad and a Tac squad after being assaulted by them >Mhara Gal explosion killed 6 Gal Vorbak since they were too close to him after my boxnaught killed him>Baneblade took a wound off my Levi
>>94406746That's basically how I've been playing my AL. No ROW, no legion special units, no named characters, just raw vanilla units. So far it's been doing fine, even got a positive win ratio.
>>94406802By fielding AL like a regular army you already failed from a fluff perspective.
Is it worth giving some Veterans in a pod minor combis for the turn they come in? I've got 5 of them with charnable Sabres, 2 with lightning claws, 2 with power axes, and a power fist on the sarge (I know the thunder hammer is a no Brainer, but power fists fit the vibe better)
>>94406874Personally, give them shotties instead of a minor combi. What's the grenade launcher or flamer going to do, kill maybe 3 if your lucky. With the shotty you concuss them. Give em a right good bonk, and then when you move in with your mixed weapon (reeee) squad they kill them more effectively.
>>94406819It's a double bluff.
>>94406746Hella. I don't even want to use the units that don't benefit from the LA trait.But to be honest, a good Rite of War has no real limitations – any would-be limits end up being the same fluffy self-restraint you would've brought anyways.It's like not using Jetbikes for Death Guard. You are allowed, you just don't feel like it.
Anyone got images of the sprue for the new melee weapons? Seems weirdly absent.
>>94407191https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYXODEvkIX4
New bread>>94407328>>94407328>>94407328>>94407328
>>94405399I heard good things about Vallejo's Duraluminium, maybe try that?
