>>94398738
Wing Gundam decks. Completely busted the set 1 meta.

Didn't come out until lv6, but the deck also had easy ramp, so it was ahead of you on levels anyways. Then it dropped Wing+Heero for 5 total resources, becoming a 7/7 that can attack immediately, can target active units, *and* destroys even a full health base whenever it kills a unit. And then after all that it still had a standing resource for Peaceful Timbre - so it got to nuke one of your active units, stall out another, and then if you're not so far ahead on board that you can win despite all that, it's just over. And of course it also got a base that offers draw filtering to ensure it hits what it needs.

They had to add like half the Wing cards to the restricted list before the meta diversified and we started seeing things Zeon aggro, feddie GM spam and God Gundam combo decks do well.

https://youtu.be/s9OJTc4CsMs?si=2VMoDg62LBrSNw9A

Surprisingly he mentions in the video that he's concerned about SWU and Lorcana

>>94399186
Does he say why? Not watching a video. Lorcana is still selling very well near me, though more to collectors than to players.

SWU is dead around me, two shitty sets and a stale meta after supply problems.

FAB sales down by 30% as quoted in the video and then even saying it's on Shadowverse Evolve's level lmfao

And Shadowverse Evolve, I knew would never grow.

>>94399169
Sorted by best selling, the top FAB sealed product is 8 pages deep on tcgplayer. That's, like, abysmal.

>>94399339
>tcgplayer
Yeah! Only 2 more weeks! It's so joever for FABGOTS.

I have never bought sealed fab boxes from some rando tcg listing.

>>94399669
Ive never even bought singles from tcgplayer, if you dont have the card in front of me to trade or sell go to hell

>>94399688
Now that's too far, sometimes you can get a person with heavy bags to deep discount every majestic in a set because they were really after a personally pulled master set, some 40 cases deep. But I usually buy ebay first because you can actually see the bloody card and know what you're getting yourself into.

>>94399242
LSS has no one to blame but themselves.

>>94399718
Ebay has more fake cards than tcgplayer lol

>>94400040
Source: I made it up.

>>94400296
Source: I sell more of them on ebay than on tcgplayer

>>94399754
Damn bushiroad really fell off, huh?

>>94400327
checks out. Vanguard was their flagship and that shit hasn't been playable or even remotely appealing in almost 7 years now. Their only other games are weiss, which is for collectors and a mountain of failed games that almost rivals bandai.

Does anyone still care at all about keyforge? Debating throwing out my old decks.

>>94401020
Still love the game. Heading to a friend's house in a bit to play some Keyforge, Fullmetal Alchemist, and maybe some ScoreZ if we have time.

>>94399242
>And Shadowverse Evolve, I knew would never grow.
It had its window to grow but Bushiroad is Bushiroad. That window was one or more of the many times players have been fed up with Yugioh in the past few years. The gameplay is excellent, the cards look great, and the set design and tempo of releases is good. But Bushiroad seems to think treating a new game with the same "it will sell to its fans" holding pattern they use for Vanguard is a recipe for success. They launched the game into a market that was rejecting the big three almost entirely at the time but they didn't capitalize. One Piece and Lorcana took off with investorbros and peeled some of the Yugioh market away but the selling point being gameplay was never pushed so the product never scaled past the Bushiroad crowd and people who like the digital game.

And then Bushiroad decided to put a bullet in the game's leg in Japan by releasing a fucking Vanguard crossover set instead of leveraging Cygames assets. Vanguard players were happy with how Vanguard was going in Japan at the time so the money that would potentially flow into SVE stayed in VG instead. It was completely parasitic and instead of pulling players from outside of SVE and VG the set ended up feeling like they were trying to pull SVE players into VG. If I were a Cygames exec I'd be wanting to burn down Bushiroad's offices.

>>94400349
The company that only became successful because one of the big three was faltering back in 2012 has done nothing to side swipe them again, even when they were at their worst position of all time recently. Their minor success feels accidental.

>>94401333
to be fair Bushi neutered shadowverse even earlier by breaking the game balance like a toothpick with the goddamn horse girl collab less than 6 months into the game's lifespan. I've never seen a game fall off (in Japan) as fast as Shadowverse did in recent memory.

Why Clover picked these fucking retards to make the Hololive game is beyond my filthy gaijin mental capacity.

>>94401662
They recovered pretty hard by set 5 in Japan. There was a stretch of 2k person events during the run between sets 5-8. The Idolmaster collab also did well. The only good thing Bushiroad has done for the English release was swerving the Uma collab disaster by hitting pure Uma before release. The collab set still did well at the time, Uma was still a powerful deck, but every other deck was able to actually show up to tables so Rune, Forest, and especially Abyss were able to enjoy what the set gave them instead of being boxed out by Uma and Dragon. But none of this mattered when Bushiroad refused to actually advertise the game. You have Yugioh content creators shilling Elestrals but Bushiroad, who became successful because there was interest from Yugioh players during a bad format in 2012, couldn't toss a box of cards and a ham sandwich to streamers and youtubers whose major content at the time was trying to find alternatives to Yugioh? How does a company suck at business this much?

>>94401662
Oh Bushiroad is managing Hololive? Fucking hell man lol

>>94399754
>fab isn't even on top 25
...
>>94401020
Keyforge is fine as a casual game more like a boardgame and that is fine, the hype has passed and people do still enjoy it but not enough to actually make a b&s market out of it.
If you need the space then I think throwing all but like 4 or 5 decks is super valid.

>>94402461
No new set for FAB, and it has no tail for sealed sales.

>>94399754
Not sure how I feel about this as a digimon player.

>>94401976
For distribution atleast, game development was internal I think

>>94402461
Yeah I remember there being a weird secondary market when the game first launched. I have probably like 15-20 decks from the first two or three sets. I assume there's no value in "price checking" them somehow?

>>94403194
Check the high rarity stuff and sell it if you don't want it. However, the speculatory market of TCGs has really fucked up how games work as there are enough people looking to make money off of the cards that it corrupts the whole game

>>94402645
>Not sure how I feel
nothing
because there's nothing being released on October

>>94403441
I want to care about the Gundam tcg, but the Bandai+ pre-orders and how every tcg has been scalped on release for the past couple of years has just killed my interest.

>>94398952
I thought the game wasn't out yet?

Friend and I each cracked open a new Winds of Exchange deck for Keyforge and battled it out. Fun set, great game.

>>94401020
Still one of my favorite card games. Shame the issues at FFG, along with Covid, buttfucked it real hard. I want an excuse to buy more decks, but only know one person locally that plays it anymore.

>>94403441
Man, being able to drop a 3/3 for 1 seems pretty mean. But I suppose at Level 5 you may have something with some more punch.

Then again, if Suletta is only a 1 drop, that means you can get it buffed and able to attack turn it drops and only have spent 2 resources.

>>94403461
Thw scalping is my concern. Greedy cunts are gonna pounce on this one, I'm sure of it.

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We just opened another deck each for round two. This card has such excellent flavor.

>>94403194
There was a ranking system for decks, from what I heard if the deck was too op (high rank) it would be banned so there was tiers of decks that people would actually be able to sell them for something.
>>94403379
Keyforge has no rarity, you play with a non random unique deck and that is it, there is no deckbuilding, for selling stuff you either sell the whole deck or accessories.
>>94403441
shitfrommercury gundan is shit, looks legit.
>>94403478
If this is homemade: make tap symbol smaller.

How is Juan Piss? What's the color pie gimmick?

>>94403879
There is a ranking system made by a fan. It does not result in decks getting banned.
At local tournaments, decks receive a negative effect called chains after performing well. If you reach enough chains (I believe 24), the deck is banned. This was incredibly uncommon to see, because the chains nerfed the deck along the way until it was nearly impossible to win with it. It was a big deal in the community when somebody finally managed to do it.
Outside of local play, if a deck won a big tournament it would immediately get banned from use at locals.

>>94403879
>There was a ranking system for decks, from what I heard if the deck was too op (high rank) it would be banned
That ranking system was fan made. It was just some dumb wank fans came up with to go "my deck's power level is higher than yours!"

>Keyforge has no rarity
Cards do have rarities, though. There are commons, uncommon, rares and I think one higher than that.

Can you sell individual cards? Possibly. If I recall, Ghost Galaxy mentioned some dumbass format with deck building for people who miss the entire fucking point of the game.

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>>94403519
Prerelease kits.
>>94403879
It's from Binding of Isaac.

>>94404286
how are pre-release kits enough to know the entire meta?

>>94399537
You realize TCGPlayer is the single largest TCG marketplace in the world, right?

>>94404374
he might be European and not care

>>94403519
>>94404355
just havin a giggle mate

>>94403461
the beta kits are for collectors, we won't know if set 1 gets underprinted or not until it releases. the main way to get beta boxes is LGS demos anyways

>>94403565
four commands in trash is a pretty nontrivial requirement. to drop aerial on curve you've gotta have played nothing but commands for the entire game up to level 5

>>94404414
One problem I would have playing the Gundam TCG is I wouldn't want to play the series I dislike.
If Mercury or Seed were the only meta choices I wouldn't want to play

>>94404421
That's how I do with SWU. I won't use any Mandolorians or Mandolorian specific cards because fuck em.

When IBO gets added to the game, I doubt I'll use anything from that as I just didn't care for it.

>>94404414
Could be some cheap comma da one can play alongside some cheap units.

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>>94404481
>Could be some cheap comma da one can play alongside some cheap units.
Then you run into issues with card draw. Sure, there's probably cheap events to draw cards, but then that's even fewer resources left to play the game with. It'll probably be a tight balancing act, and for all that you just get an above cost unit, not one that's especially hard to counter or anything. Especially since it seems like games might go fast.

>That's how I do with SWU.
I don't understand why they chose this, but SWU is a strangely non-thematic game. The tribal abilities are only just barely pasted onto the card pool, and that's before accounting for how many are just bad. It's hard to play thematic decks even if you want to.

>>94404421
That's how it goes. Play thematic decks and hope they're decent, or skip the game. Is what it is.

>FLGS's start stocking a game called Flesh and Blood
>Nobody is playing it, just the "investors" getting their slobstocks on buying full booster boxes
>Ask the owner if this is just speculators panicking about magic30 reprints
>"haha no its a good game anon"
>Go down to store for sunday digimon/one piece
>Notice the plastic thing of boosters at the counter is magic, digimon, one piece and lorecana
>No Flesh and Blood products anywhere
>Ask owner about it
>"So it really was a hustle hoping they were stocks in case magic crashed right?"
>"Course they fucking were but i can't say it while the moneys flowing can i hey?"

So what happened to it elsewhere? i vaguely recall it being pushed as a tournament game as well as a speculator hustle but is that dead too?

>>94405304
Nice larp

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>>94405304
It's a great tournament game, in that the skill ceiling is really high. It's doing OK. The whole industry is in a downswing right now which has hit FAB fairly hard. Investorfags largely fucked off after Everfest was super overprinted. The big regional tournaments still pull several hundred people, and most cities of a good size will pull a few dozen to their "one step above locals" tournaments. The rarity structure is fairly predatory, and not well subsidized by non-mechanically-unique chase cards because the entire customer base is players not collectors. New player on boarding has always been a weak spot and it's only marginally improved since launch. The last couple sets (and the next one as well, at minimum) have produced new top-tier heroes that are almost entirely built from cards in that new set, which is tiresome. The publisher continues to show effort to make the game more accessible and balanced. It doesn't play like any other game with a current following, which is a blessing and a curse for bringing on new people. Living Legend rotation system is neat.

Overall I'd say it's steady but not really growing. Definitely has experienced small shrink over the last year, but I maintain that's happened to every game. It's a fun game where you feel like you're in it the whole time even if you have no actual chance of winning, but still too expensive to build a deck, and new players will - guaranteed - lose their first dozen games.

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Got to play my muh cat books game with a friend and it turns out it is actually a fucking mess lmao. It was pretty fun though and I have a decent idea of what I want to change

>>94405625
Hey! Cool to see some progress on this! It's been awhile. Glad you're still tinkering away at it.
I still need to read the rest of those kittybooks I bought. The pacing in them is fucking fantastic. Very enjoyable.

>>94405304
Big true and real. This exact same thing happened to me and I have still never actually seen anyone play that so-called "game".
Shilling scammers will seethe but they can't fight reality forever.

>>94407224
My LGS had a pretty big surge in players around Monarch. It was a weird month or so when some of the Magic players and Yugioh players finally sat down and talked to each other. The game was really good. Difficult but in a rewarding way, lots of variety and player expression potential, very fun when everyone was on the same level beating each other up with basic decks. It started to fall apart pretty fast when a couple of players started going up the price scale by buying expensive staples and equipment which broke the balance of our shop meta. Having a few people pubstomp them with hundred dollar bills caused the first player shed before Monarch format was over. Then Aria came out, was disgustingly overpowered, had design that hard countered and basically invalidated the anti-meta decks me and a few other budget players were coping with, and that's when the game died.
The game's largest problem was the price tiers for actually playing the game. Everyone was happy when there was price and power parity in everyone's equipment and staples. No one wanted to spend $1000 to compete in a secondary game just because one guy decided to waste a paycheck to pubstomp.

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He won Nationals.

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This card is also super fucking broken

>>94407361
Why do all of Bandai's game use this same ugly card frame?

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>>94407372
Honest answer, it probably improves the crossflow of players between their different games to have the cards already look familiar. But they're also not like, identical.

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>everyone acting like fab is slippin'
The only person's opinion that matters says the game is continuing to grow and excite its userbase.

>>94407340
>>94407361
This kind of aggression is what the Vegeta Green deck should've been. Smh.

>>94408146
Who is this downie?

BANDAI! MAKE GUNDAM GOOD AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

I'm trying to find a game to play in person. I play magic and pokemon online. I like Sorcery and universes looks kinda cool. Any thoughts on those? One piece is also popular around me Sorcery I would have to drive, and universes There might be a community in the future

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>want to play either FAB or One Piece
>all matches are on days i work
Monday and Tuesdays off is nice for shopping but shit for any events ever.

>>94408320
Wait 2 months and you will be able to play Warlord Saga of the Storm, one of the most based ccgs

>>94408458
If I was going to wait I would hedge my bets on the Gundam tcg coming out early next year. But I will check this game out, I haven't heard of it

>>94408330
My fab group meets on monday nights, 630 est. It really depends on the majority vote and if the person with that vote is tight with the store owner do those hours.

>>94408146
Hoarding cardboard as an investment is shit that only massive faggots do. Just play the game.

>>94408146
Are people really saying FAB is dying? Minmaxgaming one of the biggest FAB LGSs in America just released a video talking about how they have seen a lot of Growth for FAB.
The also confirmed that previously they would open cases and sell singles to make money but since Heavy Hitters and especially Rosetta they are still selling sealed product at a decent rate. FAB is doing fine.

>>94408499
>Are people really saying FAB is dying?
No, just in this thread and between private discords

>>94408146
>a product I offer is doing great guys
>you should buy more of the product I offer!

>>94408875
that nigga doesn't miss

>mirror match
>opponent sees cards
>same cards are in my deck but I don't draw them
>lose
mirrors are such cancer it's unreal doesn't matter the game or the deck

I know Fab is all about the community but is it actually fun to play? I watched a how to before but forgot. going to watch again now. Seems people are 25/75 here.

>>94409253
On the OPTCG tournament stream there was the most autistic Teach mirror I've ever seen. Just horrid gameplay.

>>94409279
>Seems people are 25/75 here.
We have very dedicated trolls that shit on the game here. However, it's got a way higher satisfaction rating amongst those that have actually played it.

>>94409501
That's good to know. Sorcery, One Piece, Gundam?. or UniVersus/. I'll look into FaB I think there is a small community here

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>>94409279
Do you like wrestling over microadvantages and doing math? Then yes, FaB is good fun. It's generally a highly interactive game with lots of decisions to make. There are even some waifus.

Do you like quirky synergies, splashy plays, and hate when games slow down at the endgame? You'll hate FaB with a seething rage that has caused at least 2 anons to go legitimately insane.

>>94409553
The amount of microadvantages built into FaB really broke my brain while trying to move from a beginner to an intermediate player. Having to remember the order of your pitch on the bottom of the deck was a skill I simply wasn't ready to be tested on.

>>94408499
>sales volume on tcgplayer is in a crater
>but it's doing well at one (1) lgs

hm

>>94408499
>Are people really saying FAB is dying
No one is....

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>>94408472
Check out your local shop or socials and see/ask what's popular, then check up on the games.

>>94409841
>Gate Ruler below fucking Sorcery
Owari da...

>>94409841
>人気格付け
>popularity ranking
Duel Masters overtook Yugioh?
What did Konami do this time?

>>94410059
Duelmasters keeps getting more based while Yugioh remains in a death spiral outside Japan.

>>94409841
How the fuck could he rank Yugioh above Yugioh? Yugioh is WAY better than Yugioh. Yugioh is shit.

>>94410075
Fair enough. I guess it's recovering its momentum that was lost from gacharange.

>>94410086
Pretty sure that's normal Yugioh vs Rush Duel.

>>94409888
The only good thing about Sorcery is the art and even then 50% of it is pretty bad.

>>94409841
Why did OP succeed? For now anyways

>>94410488
I assume it's as simple as "very popular franchise + competently designed game".
I do wonder if its popularity is gonna drop off in a few years once the zeitgeist wears off a bit.

>>94409841
Surprised to see SWU in C when it doesn't even have an official japanese release. Is left to right sorted or just everything randomly?

>>94410499
The second one's pretty debatable.

>>94410553
I haven't played it, I'm just assuming it's not complete shit at the very least.
I think exactly how good it is (or isn't) will be key for its ongoing popularity.

>>94410580
>>94410553
Nah, competent is a perfect way to describe OP. It's not excellent, but it's sufficiently well put together.

>>94405304
While your story is dubious at best, FaB is a solid game. I like the mechanics, art and style of it. Shame I find myself hating the local players. I think I'm just gonna make Commoner decks from here on out and try and get people to play that if for no other reason than to mix things up a little.

>>94408262
God, I hope it'll be decent. Hell, functional will be enough for me. I also hope they go ham on production and distribution to cut scalper cunts off at the knees.

>>94408320
Universus is pretty solid at it's core. It does quickly get overwhelming, though. The basic rules are great, but I feel like the special rules and abilities spiral pretty fast with things triggering off very specific things.

It's also a shame they lost the older licenses. Getting to pit Ryu vs. Dub Zero made sense, but now it's just anime characters from like three series, and Godzilla.

>>94410553
what to debate ?
anime series full with casual watcher
card game with rule that pander casual player

>>94410421
for e it's the gameplay, it's the game I have most fun with

>>94410704
Was this written with google translate?

>>94405304
One of the main issues hurting Flesh and Blood is the lack of diverse sets. Pretty sure half of the available sets are some manner of assassin or ninja. They also changed the rules purely to appease a single ninja hero, Zen, because they fucked up and made him too strong. Un-LL'd him, and only him, because "He rose too quick and we want players to actually have a proper chance with him!" like sure, have fun for another 2 weeks before he gets LL'd again dumbass devs. After this happened I fully moved off FaB. Chickenshit developers with no rhyme or reason and a game I honestly cannot tell where it'll go in the future because it's just so soulless, are telling signs it'll be a struggling game in years to come.

nice concern trolling, not selling

I think FAB is just hitting the midlife falloff that affect a lot of games. Older players start quitting faster than newer ones come in, barriers to entry go up and the flash/excitement/novelty goes down with every set. Plus, I think Magic clawed back a lot of the players that quit it for FAB.

But declining isn't the same as dying, and there's acgs with 10% of FABs playerbase that still cling to life year after year.

>>94411219
I think FaB would see an influx of real excitement and new players with some new classes.

This next set is three in a row that I have no interest in buying. At least this one will have more than one Warrior card in it, but hoe many won't be talent locked?

>>94411351
>not talent locked
If I had to guess, fewer than 3 that are better than draft chaff

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So, to try and synthesize a more reasonable view of the FaB situation
>event numbers are basically holding
>whatever growth there is, it's probably low enough to be in question without more data
>anecdotal reports suggest the biggest FaB retailers are getting a little bigger while other stores struggle to sell
>it doesn't really move on tcgplayer
>basically, the FaB market is highly centralized around big online retailers who sell at a discount
>players, being grinders, are quite mercenary about their spending and don't really believe in spending more to buy local
>Heavy Hitters seemed like a high point for game balance, but that quickly collapsed again with Part the Mistveil
>internally, it was considered bad enough to pause development for 6 weeks to chart a new course
>because of the design philosophy change and lead times, we should probably expect another 6 months of awkwardness at least

Does that seem fair to fellow non-schizos? It's rough, but I still think this is a better position than say ELE-DYN. The combination of long periods of stale draft and STARVO really fucked with the early energy around the game.
Speculation: I suspect it's slowly becoming Gottlieb's game on the design side, and that's changing a lot about the culture internally. Stability, if it exists for FaB, is years off. Best we can hope for is that draft is fun and the meta doesn't totally break every set.
Prediction: LL will very soon become more balanced and interesting than CC and stay that way for a while.

How much more expensive is MTG to FAB

>>94411558
Bait, but I'll answer anyway. I'm assuming you mean what it costs to assemble a deck by buying individual cards.

MtG Modern is roughly equivalent in price to FaB.
MtG Standard is cheaper, Coomander is arguable in either direction. Coomander isn't a game, though, it's more like show and tell.

>>94411553
That's a fair summary. Worth maybe noting that LSS is actively but somewhat I effectively trying to price of entry via Armoury decks and increased Majestic/alt-art printings, to pull some of the set value away from legends.

>>94411558
Standard is $200-400. Modern (which is more popular than standard) is $800-1200. FAB is $900-1200.

For contrast, SWU and Lorcana are both $150-250, and One Piece is $250-400.

>>94411553
That sounds like a fair assessment.

For me, I think if they're going to keep doing talents they need to pick a few and then do heros of each class in each talent. Hell, we still don't have a vanilla Illusionist. I'd love to see a Shadow Illusionist, or a Light Guardian, or Mystic Mechanologist or something.

Ultimately I want to see Alchemist, Bard, Necromancer and Cleric become full on playable classes. I think a new set introducing those four classes as a sort of new entry point for people would be awesome.

But I support anything that helps move the game away from the boring "here's my full set of legendary equipment and playsets of CnC and Enlightened Strike" that is every fucking deck these days.

>>94411721
Depends on the FAB deck. You can build most tier 2 heroes for more in the $500 range, it's only meta chasing decks that end up really pricey, and even then most aren't higher than $800.

You can also easily get good fakes of anything before DTD, which makes the whole thing a lot more affordable.

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>>94398738
Does anyone in here know if there is a simulator for duel masters?
I honestly only really wanna play the 2004-2006 version of the game but only the untranslated japanese video game version (pic relatet) looks good to me. Sadly I don't speak moon rune and the only translated version of this I can find is made by some weirdo on youtube and he hasn't posted the translation anywhere.
https://youtu.be/wRQcvBptNFk

I know I could just theoretically play this in tabletop sim or something but I just would much rather have something easy to play without having to get super well versed in the rules since I can't play the actual current meta of the game at all anyways.

>>94412255
I think some autists choose to jank together some bullshit on Cockatrice or OCTGN. Both those options seem pretty garbage though.
It pays to know nihongo though if you're interested in Duel Masters nowadays. I've played a little bit of the game you posted, and it is indeed pretty good. I've also played the Japanese GCN game which is alright, though the interface is a bit clunky and it's kinda slow compared to the PS2 game.
Otherwise, officially there's Duel Masters Play's, the mobile game, which I don't like because the rules aren't 1:1 with the paper card game (eg. mana zone doesn't care about the specific cards you tap; if you have only 1 fire civ card in your mana zone, you can still play multiple fire cards in a turn).

This lack of a good DM simulator has made me want to make my own. Something like Forge is for MtG. Able to play with all cards released (Japanese) but with English translations for EOPs. My programming skill isn't that great, but I am actively working on it. I'll probably post about it here once I've made some notable progress, but don't expect anything until well into next year.

>>94411553
I think it's as simple as LSS just losing the casual playerbase, without a corresponding drop in the competitive playerbase.

>>94412434
how do you feel about xmage for magic?

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>>94405304
>So what happened to it elsewhere?
I move around fab stuff like it's fucking crack, at some point in the past week I had 7 codexes with only 4 of them being gone because I'm keeping the last three for myself. Mtg on the other hand, the biggest fucking game in the market I can move around maybe 10 to 20$ dollars a week in trades because the game is fucking dead even if I own a 20+ year collection.

Fab is a great game and all the seethe it causes only makes it better.

>>94410488
boobies

>>94411558
>>94413021
BASED hasbro-kun keeping the topic on the only game that matters!

/acg/ peasants bow down to your masters! Hasbro's hit game Magic: The Gathering is supreme! SUPREME!!!

>>94413316
True. I don't even play OP but I bought a bunch of OP sleeves due to the presence of boobies. It sucks that they were sets of 70 sleeves though.

>>94412988
LSS never had the "casual" player base, though. There's more of an on-ramp now than ever before with armory decks, but you still play the full game and get stomped.

My local lgs store has had more fab and blood players recently, new and returning players, seems fine to me

>>94414000
>my local local gaming store store

>>94414055
>automatic ATM machine

>>94410488
It's THE franchise in Japan so it did well over there without any real effort. In the West it picked up through the usual Bandai inroads that had already been made with Dragonball and Digimon and since Bandai was fairly conservative with their initial print runs the natural demand and potential demand from people who knew how well it was doing in Japan caused there to be supply issues and high box prices. This got investors to look its way during a downturn in Pokemon and Magic and Yugioh was in its usual state of uncontrolled chaos so money from Magic and Pokemon flowed towards it while players from Yugioh dabbled in it.
The game itself isn't special. It's not bad but it does literally nothing interesting. Don is a basic way to deal with resource design and life cards are pretty much just Digimon's. The leader card system is the most interesting thing about it since it's learning a bit from Commander while mechanically being closer to leaders in FaB. But the design of them is basically just having your best card on the field at the start of the game instead of having variance which leads to the game feeling kind of samey game to game. Deck building isn't particularly interesting either.

>>94411721
Modern hasn't been more popular than Standard for a long time. Modern Horizons sets might as well be Commander Horizons since that's where the physical cards actually sell. That's not to say Standard is doing well either.

>>94414133
Resources/lands being usable as combat buffs is the most interesting part, IMO. They don't often do interesting things with it but it makes for interesting decisions, because you have to choose between spending them on playing cards, on buffing one unit to the moon, or on buffing several units just over the line. Not many other games (at similar complexity levels) have multiple uses for resources as a core part of the design.

>>94414205
That's not nothing but it's also not that interesting. It effectively means certain power thresholds can only be hit on certain turns. You're also not playing cards out of hand as often as in other games due to counters so the power buff is necessary but doesn't have any downsides.
Personally I like the mind games of floating resources more than the power buffing of Don. Magic and Shadowverse do it best since there's a cost to holding up mana for instants that rely on the opponent's play patterns to get value. There's also a meta knowledge aspect to floating resources since a good player will know what the potential plays are and modify their plays accordingly. Then you get into weird nested meta knowledge bluffs where you know they know what could happen. It's the same for old Yugioh's trap cards. Counter blocks never give me that pants shitting "does he have it or not" excitement that other games do.

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Old L5R >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All bandai slop, fab, and big 3

>>94414506
Only requiring pair and not link makes the ability a bit better. 3/2 that gives a 3/1 on death seems good for both aggro and midrange.

>>94414055
>flesh and ablood and blood players

Beerus players deserve to have their fucking throats slit.

>>94415312
Miserable to play against. The mirrors are also giga autistic.

>>94415318
I just don't understand how these fucking faggots are still playing this shit when Daimaku exists and is better in every way. Just play the fucking better leader and lets both draw some fucking cards. I cannot fucking stand Beerus.

>>94415343
B-b-b-but I can minus an extra 5k! I can use the new Freeza!

Wixbross, which are your favourite meme/rogue decks in the Diva format? Need inspiration

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>>94414497
Doomtrooper is the true GOAT of TCGs.

>>94414506
>>94414533
Yeah, having that be a pair ability instead of link makes it a really solid card it seems.

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I meant to post these, but the worlds Ubers for the abc rulers are gorgeous

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>>94412434
Thanks I'll try out Cockatrice or OCTGN but yeah they look pretty bad. Hopefully that guy makes the translation for the PS2 game available to the public. I'd love to have an actual DM simulator so get to work. As I said I'd mostly only wanna play the first English release of the game cause it would be simpler than having to learn however many thousand cards it's at now and I don't really have anyone to play it with, but I guess if you make it all translated I could give the modern state of a game a chance.

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I really hate card games.
We drew a similar amount of cards. He sees 3 of his win condition and I only see 1 of mine. Literally all I had to do was draw a second of my 4 of Kid Buu double striker and I win the game. I fended off a Jiren that was on the board from turn 4 and two SCRs before the last one broke me. I deserved to win that game.

>>94416323
>8 energy.
He deserves to win the late game if he's running 3+ 6 cost Gokus, actually.

i fab is so good why doesnt it have it's own general fababs

>>94414506
I don't know what anything on that card means

>>94411721
Modern has been dying since LOTR and Modern Horizons killed it even more.
People are sick of shit like the one ring and the fact that it's not an eternal format considering Modern Horizons basically rotates everything out through power creep

>>94417485
60% of this general is about fab already.

>>94417528
From top left,
>minimum owned resources required to play the card
>untapped resources that must be tapped to play the cost
>card type
>name and ability box
>"during pair" means while a pilot is attached, the unit token describes its own stats and traits (3/1, Zeon)
>zones (we don't actually know what these do yet)
>traits
>specific pilot that, when attached, gives the unit Rush, and activates any "if this card is linked" abilities
>power and HP

And then obviously set number and rarity in top right

>>94417559
Not even close. There's whole threads with nothing but 20 fab posts overall in it it, out of hundreds of posts. You're bad at math if you call that 60%.

>>94417485
That's what you have always wanted was us to fuck off. The answer is no. Not enough discussion to warrant an entire general to.

>>94415998
I don't recognize any of these rulers, what are these?

>>94418218
>The answer is no. Not enough discussion to warrant an entire general to.
this, 100%. these claims have always been out of line. FaB belongs here in acg.
It's never been a big game like digimon or lorcana with enough players to keep a general alive on its own. every time it's been tried, it died after like 10 posts.

>>94410726
Agreed, Sorcery is some of the most fun i've had in a TCG in ages

>>94416323
you could just play ashes. then if you don't draw what you need 99% of the time it's your own fault.
of course that would be assuming you can find anyone else who plays it

>>94418439
Man, Ashes is so good. Wish I had locals that played it.

>>94411351
The last thing fab needs is more classes. Support the existing classes with the new weapons and gear to foster new play styles. Too many classes is how this game dies because you can’t properly support every class each set when you have too many classes.

>locals are lorcana, mtg and one piece
>i play every game other than those.

Apparently the guy that won Fusion World nationals cheated multiple times during the event

is sorcery actually good? i'm so tired of every other tcg

>>94418339
Arcana Rulers meant to be played in the ABC format.

>>94415998
Pretty. Really love the Uber treatment. I'll probably never get to play the format so luckily I won't feel the need to get any of these rare ubers.

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>>94419460
it's fun with lots of weird cards that interact with the game in a funny way. It also ticks my need to explore different deck types. However that's just me, and I am the type of person that laughs at the idea of putting the king into a catapult and throwing him at the enemy avatar for the win. Haven't played a lot of the new set yet, but it seems to add quite a few new possible archetypes.

>>94419842
I got all my acrylic ones at worlds so these are my back up copies.

I think I hit peak /acg/ tonight.

>Friend wants to start a net runner group at a local store.
>Tag along for the first session in case no one else shows.
>The store has multiple pride flags hanging off the sign. Christmas lights are replaced by them
>Go inside
>Counter is smaller than my desk with random gaming accessories in piles.
>Can't even find what booster packs are on sale to buy a few to support the store, it's like a hoarder living in a closest.
>Event schedule board is months out of date.
>Magic players on table next to NR table stink. Like hot trash in the summer.
>Meet owner and introduce myself. He is really creepy. He has eyes that look right through you and instinct says predator avoid.
>Have to pee
>Bathroom has a pride flag hanging above the toilet paper.
>There's random yugioh cards all over the bathroom floor
>Can hear a DnD group stamping on the floor above and drowning out any attempt to talk as you play for a full five minutes. Owner just shrugs and goes back to chatting to randoms out the back.

I've been to enough game shops to know the lay of the land but this was exceptional. Is this what wotc stores are like now? The owner reminded me of that stone toss meme about Predators. I think I'm going to stick to me and my friends playing in the spare room if this is what card shops are now. Don't need to build a bigger group if that's what stores have become. I know stores used to rely on Magic to keep the doors open and /acg/ stuff was secondary but that cannot be what every shop has devolved into right?

>>94420751
Fuck off, /pol/.

Has the one SWU guy, who'd post the latest card diarrhea here only to get no responses, given up already?

>>94420751
Not all card shops are like this obviously but there's a high chance you'll deal with trannies eventually because hobbies are full of autistic people.

>>94420799
Shut up

>>94420843
They're around but I haven't seen any. this was a very specific predatory shop owner virtue signalling.

If another person asks if we got Pokémon 151 I'm going to freak out guys, how do I get 7 year olds to stop playing that trash and pick up something good like MyL or FAB ? Or more importantly stop these investors from calling my store ever again? The good prices aren't for you moneybags

Why the fuck would a 7 year old pick up a complex game like FAB?

>>94420799
Set 2 sucked so hard that I quit playing.

>>94420901
It's just a troll

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Is this Duel Masters artwork?

>>94420937
No it's unique art for that card, but Raita is an artist who does art for duel masters.

>>94420901
>>94420925
Listen we don't have any stock of 151, just stop calling. Also more than one irresponsible parent has brought their child to the weekly armory to play in it or attempt to.

>>94419144
based

>>94419144
Welcome to card games.

>>94420902
Damn, that's awful.
It's awful you have enough taste to drop the game after set 2 but not enough taste to not pick it up in the first place seeing set 1. Hope you get better.

>>94421472
SWU set 1 was a genuinely well made game, though.

>>94421588
Hope you get better.

>>94420901
I saw a dad playing fab with their elementary school daughter at a game shop before

>>94420901
They think the pictures look cool its that simple, kiddos dont have the IQ to play TCGs beyond say Uno

>>94420901
>You play attack
>I discard to defend
>Now I play attack
>You discard to defend
Nah, bro, a 7 yo can play it just like they play pokemon (pokemon has lots of worldwide tournaments for under 16 ) or yugioh.
Remembering what the 30 cards in their deck does is just fine but you can bet people will cheat against them by playing cards they don't know and then saying they do some other shit.

>>94412255
Here's an automated sim that's currently up until set 7 (with more to be added). If it sounds like something you'd like, then give it a try:
https://shobu.io/

>>94419460
Depends what you're tired of with other TCGs. If you're sick of Magic trying to suck every bit of cash out of you they possibly can then Sorcery has you covered, one set a year and if you dont want to buy boxes the playables are cheap off of TCGPlayer.

If you're sick of fabgots ranting at how skilled you need to be to compete in events when its literally just basic math and having a shred of object permanence for your pitch stack then Sorcery has got you covered. I pulled of a janky combo where I dragged my opponenets Avatar through all my sites like a Pokemon ice puzzle for the win.

Its janky and weird but the focus is on having fun at the kitchen table which is a breath of fresh air.

>>94422488
How out of touch can one post be? Kids don't play Yugioh anymore. They barely play TCGs at all, and when they do it's Pokemon or Lorcana because their parents taught them.

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>>94419460
as the other anon said, need some more details on what you play, what you like and what things make you sick that you're trying to avoid. there's no one size fits all with this shit. we can make better recs if you can say what you want.

>sorcery specifically
It IS 'actually good', yes. it's more of a "yes, but..." for me personally, but everybody's got different experience and priorities. I played a lot of the first set since one of my brothers backed the game before it printed and got a ton of crap for it. the gameplay is fun and easy to learn, it's pretty strategic, and the cards are absolutely gorgeous. even the ones that look a little odd on-screen are pretty in person. just great art, layout, print quality, the whole deal. so generally positive, hands-on review from here.
the "but" for me is that I already had a similar game I was playing a lot in Summoner Wars. and we already had a regular group for that, I personally think the design is a bit better, and you can play it online easily. so I ended up going back to SW and stopped playing sorcery. this isnt to say that Sorcery and Summoner Wars are "the same". they're not, they are pretty different games. but they *feel* similar. they scratch the same itch if that makes sense. get to the same endpoint by different roads.

but if in doubt, find some card images online, print em out and sleeve them and try it. you might love it, you might not.

>>94418986
By that logic it should never have moved beyond the base four classes.

You'll never be able to support every class in every set, and that's okay. I just want the last four classes that were shown in the lore book all those years ago to finally be playable. We got bard in the Round the Tabletop box, but that's the only thing with bard stuff in it.

>>94420890
I think Pokemon is a fine game at it's core, but the power creep went fucking bonkers. When you have basic pokemon that are tossing out 200+ damage a turn it just feels like the game lost it's way a tad.

>>94420902
Shadows was pretty disappointing. I've been impressed with Twilight thus far, and am excited to try and finally grab a box of Spark now that the reprint is hitting stores.

I really hope set 4 will be good.

>>94422267
>a dad
>with their
You overdosed on woke, my guy.
The "they" shit is not normal. Stop it!

>>94423133
Your brain's been cooked with Culture War distraction shit mate, NGMI

>>94423150
That sounds like an admission of doing it on purpose. You're the one doing the distracting here.

>>94423133
>my guy
The retarded faggot talking like a passive aggressive zoomer is calling me woke, how quaint.
Bet you same my brother in Christ instead of nigger

>>94420751
One of the few nice things about Cali is the accessibility to visit multiple trade shows and drive to different card shops with ease. I do not envy flyovers who are forced to deal with poorly run local cardshops

Personally though the most smelly card store I've found primarily deals with sports trading cards and rare sports memorabilia. You'd think it'd be filled with normalfags who shower regularly...nope. All geriatrics hogging the tables and clogging up the store. The smell is horrendous but the store actually stocks pretty well with decent variety and low prices. I think the boomer sports front scares away people which is nice on release weeks but I always brace myself for the smell of rotting flesh.

>>94422567
This is basically exactly what I wanted. Made an account immediately. Hopefully this becomes a standalone app at some point that I can play with bots. I am incredibly bad at playing card games with other people and I just love my simulators.

>>94422384
>>94422864
Pokemon sucks as a game but the art difference is insane. Take a good game like SWU, or even a game not known for bad art like Lorcana or FAB, and put the art up against Pokemon and it's no contest. I think it's a combination of a hysterically high art budget and Japan (possibly Asia at large) having the only decent illustrators left on Earth.

>>94419144
How do you cheat during Fusion World?

>>94421193
Bandai games in particular.
Bandai is horrible at punishing people who cheat

>>94423879
Digimon has good art as well and is the only licensed card game they let artists do what they want art wise

>>94422384
kids can and do play comparatively dumb games like the big 3.
it's not even really in how high the skill ceiling goes, it's about the entry difficulty. the challenge with FAB and other games designed to that kind of base complexity (netrunner, L5R, ashes, etc) is that the early games feel like your brain is melting and it's an impossible cliff to climb to your first win.

those games with mass appeal CAN get complex too, even pokemon. lots of ink has been spilled on the deep strategy of all of them. but part of why they have mass appeal in the first place is that their baseline gameplay with just vanilla cards and a default play loop basically comes down to "roll dice and see who gets the higher number". a six year old can sit down and play magic or pokemon with a basic deck. meanwhile the basic bitch decks in most of those "hard" games cause analysis paralysis in the average adult.

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>>94423879
One of my metrics for a game being high quality is if minimum rarity decks look good. Pokemon looks great in minimum rarity and is absolutely gorgeous in max rarity (if you forget rainbow foils existed). One of the reasons I really gel with Shadowverse is how great the base rarities look but how incredible the ultimate rares look. Your deck is going to look good no matter what but if you want to paypig it will look even better. The texture on foils is similar to Pokemon's chase cards so pictures don't do them justice. Bandai games have the most jarring swing from low to high rarity. Sometimes it's hard to look at my One Piece decks since there are a lot of extremely playable cards that look like they were made to be ugly on purpose. Like I get the character is supposed to be ugly but why does the buyback Gecko Moria have to look like shit unless I upgrade to the SP? I like wanting to upgrade from cards I like to special versions. I don't want to upgrade so I can get the version that doesn't look like it's insulting me for playing the poor person's version.

>Grand Archive listed in the OP
>Don't see anyone talk about it
My friend's been trying to get me into this but I dunno, staples look expensive. Anyone else have any opinions about the game?

>>94424484
All I know is that the Dragon Shield sleeves look good and I'm always happy to get more DS art mattes. Silvie is cute. I've never heard anyone talk about actually playing the game.

>>94423879
Yeah, Pokemon has some solid art. As long as it's not the flat, lifeless 3D shit they do sometimes.

But the variety of art styles can be jarring sometimes.

>>94424476
This looks so ugly to me. Generic anime character design plus excessively busy backgrounds and pleasant but flat use of color. Also "the focal point is the boobs lmao" gets tiring.

>>94424621
The call is coming from inside the house if you think the focus of those cards is boobs.

>>94424621
SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>94424484
Company who made the game are a joke so..... *shrugs*

>>94422488
>Nah, bro, a 7 yo can play it
Bro you living in the early 2000s? Lmao what you on about. You get dumbfucks who struggle with easy games like One Piece.

Like people here who play Fusion World fucking suck at the game and complain. You think they'll be able to handle FAB???

I remember demoing FoW at my LGS at a legacy night and the main complaint I got was decision paralysis. I found that incredibly ironic given most people who cope about legacy say it's fun because of the complexity and decision trees.

>>94425567
That is the sin of trying to get normies to play your game.
But children will have an easier time because most times they aren't as retarded after learning how to play a game (they may not liking reading text tho)
Children played magic in earlier 2000s-2010s I don't see issue with a system that isn't as open, if they aren't playing its because the art+gameplay doesn't attract them.

If I gave FAB to a 7 year old they'll be like
"Daddy, what is this?, why doesn't Fortnite have a card game"

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First Uncommon Warlord reveal!

Pretty good Warlord imo, you can shoot and poop dudes everyturn without spending. It does what wizards want the only down to it is being in a faction that doesn’t have much wizards so you probably will have to make a deck with lots of fighter support.

>> 94398738
Worst meta was probably when the game first launched and the rules were still lacking, lots of decks were about dumping big dudes.

>>94425567
7 year olds can definitely get in to pokemon. peak age is probably 8 - 9 though. anecdotal from working in a store years back, the core age group for playing magic is a little older, more like 10 - 14. older kids don't struggle with these games because they can't, it's just because they get busy with other shit and stop caring.

>>94426225
That is pretty good honestly. I could even see people in draft going with him to the front and then just going aggro. (+4 ranged +4 melee and an extra +2 every other turn)

>>94425907
I would argue FAB has a much higher complexity floor, as in, the simplest game of FAB still has a lot of moving parts, compared to the simplest game of something like Magic.

>>94426499
exactly what anons were saying up above. magic can become complex with certain cards, but the basic gameplay is very simple.
I think a good test of if it's this kind of game is if upgrading to a better deck makes more of a difference than practicing with the deck you have. in games where that's true, newbies can usually buy or luck their way to at least some whims. if it's not, the game is more skill-demanding and newer players will almost never win (which leads to frustration and normies dropping out).

>>94423641
well you can trade the smells for bleach bombs that are my local shops
cold season and smelly tcg tourneys sure, but early in the year cloroxing tables with mats someone sat at for 5 mins is too faking much

Current top deck in SWU runs a smooth $110. Most expensive meta deck is $275.

>>94424621
get out tranny

>>94427134
So I take it boxes have no value?

>>94427134
If they paid me 110 bucks I still wouldn't take it because of how ugly it is.

>>94427948
About $70 for sets 2 and 3, $105 for set 1 (whose reprint is hitting shelves).

>>94428185
I didn't think about it, but bouncing to hand is slightly worse in this game because of every card potentially having Rush.

>>94424019
Yugioh is not dumb its so complex that theres a metric fuckload of constant rulings

>>94424621
The designs are from a 2012 gacha called Rage of Bahamut, its not AI gen shit.

>>94419144
proofs?

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>>94428035
>>94427948
Msrp is $120, putting distribution price around $60.

It's Joever. Laugh at the fag game dev who tattooed that shit on his arm.

>>94429185
>Tattoo
Damn, that is sad.
I can see doing it to a proven game but a brand new one that is mostly a copy paste and modify a bit...

>>94425707
What year was this? Never had a problem with early FoW, but modern day FoW did that to my MTG accustomed brain when I started. Since everything is so cheap and every card you draw is live, it feels like there are a ton of decisions to make (which I've grown to like, MTG feels so basic now).MTG players are to used to lands and having limited options.

>>94429185
>bluuue is biggest
>blue is also Luke's color in the game

Bluuuke confirmed.

>>94427948
Digimon managed to deal with $100 meta decks for multiple formats are certain points and so have many other alternative cards games.
Did you know that people leave MTG and Yu-Gi-Oh because they don't want to spend $500 to $1000 on shit?

I don't like the game but if you faggots are crying about an affordable game I think you are in the wrong thread

>>94429258
This was at the start of hero cluster, so I built decks for the rulers in that set (eins, berserker, justice, etc) so it was contracts and I give everyone just one moon child.

>>94425550
any examples?

>>94420751
you can't be playing netrunner which is the literal definition of a tranny card game now and complain about pride flags

>>94429185
Set 3 has ~3 playable legendaries, which doesn't help. Despite tripling the card pool, most meta decks are still a majority set one cards.

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>>94429821
I can definitely see that then. Granted, the starter decks for that cluster were really good and I even managed to teach my friend how to play the game with ease using those decks. But if they were optimized builds of those rulers you mentioned, especially Justice, I can see why they'd feel overwhelmed.

Honestly, idk the best way to introduce this game either. You either have decision paralysis with the new stuff due to complexity creep and such, or you use older cards but then it's basically a completely different game.

>>94429258
>Hard mana ramp game
>Every card you draw is live
I've played before, so ?? Has the game changed that much?

>>94429215
>Tattoo
>Damn, that is sad.
eh, i dunno, it's not like he's a random SW-obsessed fan. he's the game dev. if you're that guy, you've probably invested multiple years of your life in to this thing, living it every day. that project is your baby. he seems like they type who genuinely loves the work and the people, so most of those years are probably fond memories. and for him, that tat will be associated with those years even if the game crashes and burns next week. would be even if the game never made it to market.

I've got a few old tattoos that are kinda dumb subject matter or poorly drawn, but strongly associated with specific eras in my life, old groups of friends, or loved ones now gone in some cases. can't say I regret any of them. with hindsight, I think I'd rather have a bad $75 tattoo that reminds me of an old friend I got it with than any big "cool" art piece that draws compliments. you're only on this earth as an adult for a few decades, really. you choose to give 5% or 10% of those precious years over to creating something, even if it doesn't mean much to other people it's definitely gonna matter to you.