Cool Weird Bug Edition>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 24mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What Trench Crusade is notTC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo dieselpunk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc>Trench CompendiumCompendium: https://trenchcompendium.netlify.app/Feedback Form: https://forms.gle/k44MxmJxWu3upDHT8>Previous thread:>>94383067
Red Brigade also got an update, adding the Crimison Communicant unit.
>>94407757Do we really need special rules sub faction tsim?
>>94407958It's an alright way to get more variety without having to design and print more models
>>94407958Yes. It easier to make variants of warbands than entirely new warbands. Also, there's more subfactions in the game than core factions, so you're a little late to complain about it.
>>94408072>>94408063The death of /yourdudes/ is coming
>>94407757Is it like the TP communicant? Because that is the image I get.>>94407958I like it. It gives variety without creating too many factions.
>>94407958Its better than making entirely new factions where you run the risk of adding units that are unbalanced just to have variety, so instead just have variants which add one or 2 variants of units that exist.
I'm quite eager to hear about coming subfactions/factions. Vampire hussars, path of the beast, and others. They seem much more interesting, compared to current factions.
>>94408107Well I guess you should quit the thread and abandon the game then.
>>94408107My man the game isn't fucking out yet
>>94408107>How to tell the thread you've only played warhammer before without directly saying itGo play some more skirmish games and come back
>>94408110>Is it like the TP communicant?Seems like a crowd-control version. It's not as good in melee but not as bad at shooting as the TP Communicant, and it lacks some of the rules it has, but it can force disengagement/knock enemies into dangerous terrain via it's Bell attack and can be stacked into a melee powerhouse with Blood Tokens (which you can start off with via your rules). It also has access to the NA armoury instead so hello Shield/Heavy Shotgun combo.>>94408333The rules are out, Anon. You can play make-believe war with your nude gun nun dolls right now.
>>94408107believe it or not, the vast majority of skirmish games dont release yearly rule changes and just declare hundreds of dollars worth of models "obsolete"
>>94408417No but you don't understand. Having 40 different model options for just 1 faction where your only option to have a valid army is to buy off scalpers on ebay is good for a game. The models being made unplayable every year is important to extend the life of the game.
>>94407958The sub factions are part of the fun. You want to make a traditional christian faction who think eating clones of Jesus and strapping explosives to prisoners of war is fucking nuts and people who do that need to repent and turn to Jesus? You can. I just want to get a trench pilgrim tank type unit that doesn’t have the grimderp “constantly tortured pilot”. Maybe someone rescued from the heretic’s slaughterhouse who already gor their leg’s sawed off who powers that big old war machine with humanity’s rage instead of humanity’s despair. Imagine a walking cathedral with old-fashioned phonograph blaring hymns and a screechy insane boice babbling about God’s rage at the wickedness of humanity and the Devil like a cross between Rush Limbaugh and a priest’s sermon.
Playing Sultanate and wanna make an Alchemist with a machine gun, but have no idea how I'll pull that off modelwise.Any ideas?
>>94408623Could model it with a homunculus next to it on the base and have the gun integrated into its body. if you want to go even farther, if you attach a magnet to its bottom you can swap them out for different gun layouts without needing to make new alchemists.
>>94408623For the something like a lewis gun or chauchat check the wargames atlantic WW1 stuff, for something from WW2 check bolt action, they have arms for MG42s and bren guns if thats what you want instead, just browse the different spues. For the body look at frostrgrave wizard sprues, it also has some wierd hand gestures and objects that might be useful. They also have male and female bodies for preference.
>>94408623Iron Sultanate elites are hard to kitbash. Are you putting them in Alchemist Armour? If so I'd say grab some medieval plate (like a Perry Knight or something) and swap the head out with something from an arabic kit and give it machine guns from a WW1/WW2 kit. If not in alchemist armour, then just do arab infantry with WW1/WW2 infantry and maybe some stuff from the Frostgrave wizards kit?
>>94407734Whys it 25/32?
>>94408816The game's official models are more in line with 32mm, but most people are kitbashing from other model kits so it's overwhelmingly 24mm. You're good with either/or/both if you want.
>>94408816>>94408857Wait, shit, that should be 28mm. Not 24mm. I screwed that up, it'll be fixed in the next OP.
>>94408862Aren't they 25mm?
>>94408876No, I meant 28mm to 32mm. That's the scale of the game.
>>94408884There's too many scales and mm in wargaming. It's 28/32mm scale but mainly uses 25mm and 32mm bases. That would probably explain why I kept trying to find 28mm bases to buy when I was loading up on bases for kitbashes.
>>94408663>>94408684Cheers, solid ideas.>>94408687Yeah, that's what I've found too.I'm 100% a Warhammer babby so the idea of not having all the options for each loadout available to me for kitbashing is something I'm getting used to.Sultanate definitely feels like its theme is the hardest to find resources for too, but I love the House of Wisdom.
>>94408910base sizes don't have anything to do with scale
Is it weird that I love the idea of Trench Crusade but don’t love the individual units and their art and models. So far I’ve been obsessed with conversions and terrain building but not impressed with the official models and units
Anyone use Perry miniatures for this? Or too small?
>>94409461I thought they were fine, I intend to use the arms and heads for stuff, I did swap to bolt action bodies because there was way more bits from those ranges that would be usable for what I wanted and it was less work. Heres an example of what I made with perry...
>>94409589>>94409461And heres bolt action's german winter bodies with wargames atlantics gasmasks. The perry stuff is way cheaper and you get more, but the bolt action stuff has way more ranges appropriate to modern warfare to work with and heroic scale has more ranges that fit it.
>>94409604>>94409589Cool. Imma try to reuse some of the dudes I made for sludge then.
>>94409750Very nice, Ive actually seen people using those models for this.
Is this a okay list?Don't care if its competitive, just want to make sure its the right kind of list for the game if that makes sense1x Heretic Priest w/ great sword, reinforced armour, combat helmet & gas mask (142 ducats)1x Heretic Chorister w/ axe, standard armour, combat helmet & gas mask (94 ducats)3x Heretic Troopers w/ bolt action rifle, bayonet, standard armour, combat helmet & gas mask (201 ducats)1x Heretic Trooper w/ pole arm, musical instrument, standard armour, combat helmet & gas mask (77 ducats)War Wolf Assault Beast (140 ducats)Also have a spare 46 ducats if anyone has any ideas
LGS is running a slow-grow for people to learn the game.What should I be running for a 300 point Sultanate or Heretic list?
>>94410131Musical Instrument requires a hand as if it were a weapon at all times so you cannot combine it with a 2 handed weapon. Heretic Priest also does not have strong so a heavy weapon on them will make them incapable of moving and making melee attacks on the same turn. Outside those, make sure you upgrade half your Troopers to legionnaires for the +1D stat boost & Legion really always wants a Witch if you can get one.
>>94410217thanks! only getting into this today so much appreciated!
Can you convert glory into ducats yet?Really wanna start with a sineater in my warband
we will determine who is a WITCH in this thread
>>94410272You gotta earn glory, Anon.
>>94408687Sultanate and Abyssinians can benefit from the Wargames Atlantic ‘Afghan Warriors’ kit.
>>94410131I would lose the armour on non elites and gasmasks in favour of taking some more units if anything, for the first game that stuff seems like overkill, nothing will hit that hard and gas will be a rarity for early game, consider what you will upgrade units with and just upgrade them later. With campaign games you want to kindof plan ahead for what you will upgrade units with. Also if this is like other campaign games, you absoloutely want to consider "disspossable" units who are just going to run objectives and have cheap easily replaceable loadouts, where you take risks with them and dont mind if they die, of which they are very likely to. This is where stuff like infiltrator and skirmish are good, its for these kinds of units.
>>94410491Just humble bunch of pilgrims, Witchburner General. You can search for witches elsewhere.
Any good sources for an artillery witch head?
>>94410898No
>>94410264I was going to suggest what >>94410816 mentioned about the armor as well but there was site maintenance last night. Dropping the armor alone on your chaff opens up 60 ducats of space. Which can be used towards a Witch and giving your Priest a gun. Keep in mind Legion can work for either but they excel as a ranged faction.
>>94410898I have the stl file anon shared while ago, but too tech illiterate how to share it. If you are interested in printing the head that is. Head like the one Artillery Witch has can be hard to find elsewhere.
>>94412005Piss. Looks like I'll have to find a horned head and smooth the features over with greenstuff.
How do I deal with machine armored units as black grail/trench pilgrims?Just pile on blood markers?
>>94413173>Infection markers>Fire
>>94408498>You want to make a coward's take on the faction that strips away all the grimdark? You can!
>>94413173Anti-tank hammers ignore armor and seem pretty deadly
>>94410816>>94411965Understood! So keep it scant with the upgrades for now!So how many models should I aim to have in the warband to begin with?
>>94413865That’s literally a faction in the game. They kidnap or “rescue” other trench pilgrimage’s communicatants and make them fight in the trenches as penance for eating people. They also pull the stupid cross out of their face because blinders are more humane and less “torture for the sake of torture.”
>>94410898>>94413064you could always just get creative with it, saw someone make an artillery witch with a helmet that looks like a naval mine
>>94414188It varies by faction but your 700 ducat lists will usually be under 10 minis.
>>94409750I've been converting my sludge miniatures for Trench Crusade using the Trench Pilgrim rules but I want to make two house rules to better suit my minis/conversions.Would you guys be comfortable with the two changes in the notes section and think they're reasonably costed?
>>94416620I don't think you can equip an Anchorite Shrine with anything other than it's default weaponry.
>>94416620I'd probably be fine with those changes, though I'd also consider making the Punt Gun Risky as well.
>>94416668Thanks - probably not a bad shout
Kitbash or wait for the minis?
>>94417026Depends if you wanna play now or not.
>>94417026kit bash - my hot take is the official models and art kinda suck but the lore and the world is cool
Papal States intervention force list. Figured I'd go more flashy stuff to represent the Elite of the crop. Done as a one-off warband. Have I made any errors?Trench Cleric 60Reinforced Armour 40Crucifix Supreme 0Sword 4Flamethrower 30Shovel 5139Witchburner 5 GloryAnti Tank Communicant 5 gloryObserver 3 GloryShocktroop 45Swiss guard 5Greathammer 10Flamethrower 30Standard Armour 15Shovel 5110Shocktroop 45Swiss guard 5Greathammer 10Flamethrower 30Standard Armour 15Shovel 5110Mechanised Infantry 85Greathammer 10Grenade Launcher 30125Mechanised Infantry 85Greathammer 10Grenade Launcher 30125Sniper Priest 50Sniper rifle 35trench knife 1Shovel 591700/700 ducats 13/15 Glory
>>94417623If this is for the start of a campaign, don't you start with 0 glory?
>>94417623>>94417695Yeah what are you doing? That can't even be for a one off match because that would be 900 Ducats and 8 glory points.
>>94417695>>94417731NTA but Papal States starts with 500 ducats+11 glory for a warband or 700 ducats+15 glory for one off games
>>94417740So they do, hadn't looked much at the NA subfactions.
>>94417777Wasted
>>94407734How would I make trench pilgrims not look like KKK
>>94417807avoid white paint?
>>94417810KKK wears blue, red and black (I think) as well. It's a stupid design.
>>94417827green
>>94417807You make them look like red pyramid head instead.
>>94417807Paint the helmets metal. They stop shrapnel so they aren't some thin cloth over your head that would probably get shredded along side your head. Why worry about that anyway, you're not painting burning crosses for the faction or other shit like that so quit being a worried little bitch.
>>94417807dont paint them to look like the KKK retard?
>>94417807Be more creative than just thinking "pointy helmet=KKK"?
>>94417827>It's a stupid design.It's a real religious thing worn by real Spaniards from real life. Pop culture mindbreak has associated them with the KKK but they've got a much longer history as Catholic ceremonial wear.
>>94418145those spaniards are hekkin problematic bro... it is 2024 that shit aint cool anymore
>>94408333only two more weeks!
anybody actually play the game? or does everyone just paint figures?
>>94418942Played a game, seems fine, will be playing with a friend when the full release is out.
>>94414376>lore states nobody is sure if Artillery Witches are really alive>game rules explicitly state Artillery Witches are not alive
>>94419757The player is an outside observer of the setting and they get to know things people in the setting don't
>>94419757I still want my Witch Wife. Her being a hell robot just makes it hotter.
>>94417695>>94417731>>94417740Is right. NA Papal State's Intervention Force gets 700 ducats plus 15 Glory for one-off games. Campaign is 500 ducats and 11 glory.I figured having a few Mercs and no Yeoman would be a good way of representing a more elite force. Chose grenade launchers for the mechanised troopers over machine guns - it seemed cooler.
Working on some satanic germans. Anyone found a good alternative for the heretic priest? The official model does nothing for me
>>94420827I'm using the bishop of chaos from ral partha.
>>94417845related but i find it funny the SH fandom never makes the connection with Pyramid head and the klan or capirotes.
>>94420827You really got the lenses down. I still struggle with glass, gems, lenses, etc for some reason. The method seems straight forward but every time I do it, it doesn't look real.
>>94420827>>94421537Also your transitions on the clothes are really nice. What technique are you using to get them? Feathering? Wet blending? Glazes? All of the above? I also struggle with those.
Will the models be released as files online? Are they at least out yet? >tfw third worldfag
>>94421826Yes, and no.If you are interested, Hero Forge Pro has a huge community library of Trench Crusade STLs being generated.
>>94421826Soon sweet baby.
Anyone else amused by how rabid and defensive the GW fanboys get when TC is brought up? Theres another TC thread up at the moment that seems to be getting heavily brigaded by autistic sweats.
Can anyone recommend instructions for making trench terrain? I'm sitting on a shit ton of craft supplies and I'm thinking I should do something with it
>>94422021Eric’s hobby workshop on YouTube made a trench table, you could watch that series for ideas and inspiration.
>>94422021Yeah I'm not looking forward to learning how to make terrain. I've bought some WW2 terrain, but it's just too expensive to be sustainable to buy it for all the scenarios. I'll need to learn how to make stuff.
>>94421980For me it’s not just the politics. Over in the other thread there’s some tard repeatedly claiming TC is a ‘dead game’ as if it’s colossal success on kickstarter means nothing.I genuinely think there are paid GW shills poisoning the well. I know of one person who helped build a massive Facebook page for a certain 40K faction when the original page owner crapped out and did nothing with it. Then a few years later when it had 50k+ members the original owner (who’d done nothing to build it up) handed it over to GW, possibly for reimbursement. I wouldn’t put it past them to pay off shills to hurt TC.
>>94422107>some tard repeatedly claiming TC is a ‘dead game’That's surely just a troll baiting. That's too absurd to be a real take on a game that's not officially out yet.
>>94422141These days it’s getting harder to tell the trolls from the genuinely fuck-stupid, but said individual seems hyper defensive about 40K. So I am going to go out in a limb and say ‘both troll AND tard’.
>>94422291most who are posting bait on 4chan are autistic/retarded enough to actually believe what they say.
>>94408186>vampire hussars?
>>94422505Yeah Polish Lithuanian commonwealth in this world is the Lithuanian Polish commenwealth with vampires. Was in some sketches and brainstorming stuff Mike released. So not concrete, but it's floating around out there.
>>94420827Hopefully working on a cavalry heretic priest using the mad robot miniatures horse kit with the gas mask. Not sure how long he takes to ship his minis though.
How important are coneheads for Trench Pilgrims?
>>94423127you must take the pointy hats
>>94423139but how do i make the pointy hats consistently
>>94423127They subfaction called Procession of the SacredAffliction don't wear them, if that's what you're after. They're more melee focused than baseline Trench Pilgrims, but can still take a lot of firearms regardless.
>>94423139That's baby shit for cowards. Play Procession of the Sacred Affliction and trade out the cones for three Zealot Strength roided Pilgrims with Anti-tank Hammers.
>>94423160Wow that message screwed up, my bad.*They have a subfaction called Procession of the Sacred Affliction who don't wear them,
>>94421537>>94421653Thanks anon, appreciate the kind words. The clothing is just working in thin layers and glazing back over if the transition comes out too rough. For the lenses, I like this tutorial:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOfpig1jRjA
>>94417807The capirote is inspired by the ones worn by penitents during the spanish processions of the Holy Week. These were in turn copied by the KKK because the retards could not come up with anything beyond wearing a fucking sack on their heads.If you can't unsee the KKK just get heads for them that do not have capirotes.
>>94418942I played a test session, it was fun, now I'm going to try my hand at making some sort of trench system before the STLs are out.
>>94423774I have a bit of an urge to make heretic warband of trench ghosts, all of them wearing cloaks and capirotes. Of course wall white, to make them more ghost looking. But I'll hold on it for now, mostly because I have many more warbands I want to make before them.
>>94422107>I genuinely think there are paid GW shills poisoning the well.I just think those are people who've sunk thousands of dollars and hours into a hobby that fills a specific universe niche and every time they see another one with a similar setting niche they gotta shit on it cause 'oh no but what if this other one proves to be cooler what did I spend all that money and time for' or something.I've seen this shit too much with MMOs I wouldn't be surprised to see it in tabletop.
Might as well ask you fellows, anyone per chance got the free anti-tank communicant lass on here? The STL was free for a bit but now not any more, might as well poke around.
>>94424539https://mega.nz/file/17EFSIzB#ZCZ5WCeZZBGJ3LfJ95yDoeZlfu0q30bt4jbPMyWt10kI worse than boomers when it gets to tech, so I hope here should be some bits people have been asking.
>>94425026Huge thanks, granted, I was after the free file, which I think is not in there
>>94425026Is this the entire mercenaries bundle? Sweet
>>94425993Its all the earlier Kickstarter minis
I know that I'm king of the slowpokes here, but the newer rules for Strong seem kind hit-and-miss. Letting Strong models handle a two hander weapon as a one-hander is just contributing more to the Mordheim-style meta where dual wielding is dominant. I wish Strong could just made 2H weapons be better two-handers, maybe they hit harder or something, instead of letting them be part of a dual wield. See a dude with a huge club... I want that one club to hit like a truck, and frankly putting a trench knife in his offhand makes him less cool.
>>94426572Well the rules aren’t finalised and they’re still taking feedback, why not send your ideas through?
>>94407958This but about irl christian sects
>>94408910Anon you can't be this new
>>94422107There was a meltdown over them Banning people from their discord. It's Likely run-off from that.
>>94409461Perfect if you kitbashing, I mix WGA and Perry for a few warbands, and victrix too, they are true scale 28mm, but look fine next to other kitbashed warbands.
>>94413173Communicant with anti-tank hammer been dubbed "Can opener" when I pull it out, to a point where in a few games vs new antioch I used him, my opponent would check "where is dead" before a move
>>94426746I can be.
Papal state intervention force (New Antioch) Trench Cleric with automatic rifle, incendiary grenades, sword and banner.
>>94407734as a transfolx how am i supposed to enjoy them game when it triggers my religious trauma? needs more representation
>>94427658And a Swiss Guard for same. Made in Hero Forge.
>>94427951Papal state intervention force Communicant with AT rifle (Soviet PTRD because why not).
>>94428197Forgot pic because Satan was distracting me.
>>94428203He looks like a Skylander from a dark mirror of our world
I remember seeing people looking for 3D printing services either earlier in this thread or in a previous one. For anyone looking for people that 3D print stuff in Australia, a test model I ordered from Proxy Wargaming Aus just arrived and I am pleasantly surprised with the quality. I've never worked with 3D printed models before. The details are definitely softer than a traditional mini but it's decent enough. These guys have an online store but according to their website they do custom 3D prints as well so you could probably just send them your STLs. For reference, left is GW, middle is frostgrave and right is the 3D printed one. Ignore my awful glue jobs, I got impatient.
>>94428387Nice tip, they have some stuff in the grimdark section that’s worth a look.
>>94428429Yeah their Inquisition penitents and zealots could easily be used as trench pilgrims.
>>94428387What is that on the left corner?
>>94428810The model on the left is a Grave Guard or do you mean something that's blurred off to the left?
>>94417807>pointy head = KKKNot being underaged and/or retarded might help.
>>94429050careful you'll make janny mad
Hey Jannies delete this post if you like Trench Crusade
>>94428832I meant the mini on the left, thanks.
I searched ‘trench crusade’ on Etsy and got a fucking massive library of compatible STLs for about five bucks. Good to see the aesthetic is spreading.
>some plastic paddy faggot made a irish warband with the irish flag even though theres no ireland its like making a USA warband.
>>94431379imagine not playing /yourguys/
>>94431379I feel like you're trying to get someone to mention that there is literally an irish warband so that you can argue about something weird
>>94431417Now we get to ask whether Cromwell would have settled Northern Ireland had the gates of hell not been opened.
