Thread title.Battletech is a creaky old relic now, and Lancer is for faggots and commies. Other than that, it's like there are no other notable ones.Even Gundam never made a successful jump to TTRPG.
>>94408254AdEva is still here
>>94408254Because there are two flavors of mecha-game ruleset:>"Rules Lite" (not satisfying to play, might as well collaborate on a writing project)>"Robo Autism" (too complicated for normies)Nothing that has attempted to be in-between has ever been successful because the writers are small-time nobodies who couldn't design rules on how to get out of a wet paper bag if their lives depended on it.
>>94408254Early Battletech fags kinda killed most mecha games that werent battletech combined with the anti anime stance some took(for some reason) Newer battletech fans are more open to anime but the damage was done
>>94408254>lancer is for faggots and commies Was VERY disappointed by this. >>94408277You really don't need autism for combat, rules bloat is bad gameplay.
>>94408254A Gundam wargame with every not just mobile suits so soldiers on the ground and tanks would be awesome
>>94408254Mecha is a genre that mainly exists because Bandai and other toy companies keep pumping money into it, I understand. It's barely a thing outside of such sponsored projects.
>>94408254Because all the good mecha TRPGs come from Japan and they've only recently gotten fan translations.
>>94408254>Battletech is a creaky old relic now, and Lancer is for faggots and commies. Other than that, it's like there are no other notable ones.that's a pretty sizable chunk, more than most other niche genres outside the games workshop/wotc sphere
>>94408304Isn't that just a reskinned Battletech?
>>94408309What? There’s tons of mecha anime not tied to Bandai or toys. Nips just love giant war machines. Likely collective cope for being awful tank designers.
>>94408323Nah, BT doesn't simulate Gundam very well. They diverge massively in how they treat armour, carrying/load capacity, handheld weapons and alternative movement systems. Carriers also seem a lot more involved in MS battles doctrinally than they are in BT, where your dropper shooting at enemy mechs means that a lot of things went terribly wrong.
>>94408286I didn't say 'combat autism', but allow me to clear up the misconception by pointing to a specific example:>Mekton ZetaThe combat rules are actually relatively simple. The mecha creation rules however are some of the most comprehensive available, but that only appeals to "Robo Autism".
>>94408366The system forcing you to stat the anal circumference of every mech is why people play the Soviet Wild West superhero skirmisher game with mech skins instead.
>>94408277Genesys did well with their mecha splat, enough rules for decent crunch but not so intensive that it scares people.
>>94408393Yeah, and...?
>>94408254Most mecha media isn't about mecha, much like Vietnam war movies aren't about the Vietnam war.
>>94408323Not remotely. Battletech's mechs are based on tanks, Mobile Suits are based on jet fighters more than anything else. The latter tend to be a lot more fragile, but the time-to-kill is also a lot shorter.Generally speaking, a direct hit from a beam rifle (or the equivalent) in Gundam is instant death. Also, Gundam has more supernatural stuff, and more outre weaponry like force-fields (I think BT only has the anti-PPC field), floating drone weapons, and reality-reshaping devices. >https://youtu.be/NFiYcci9PYw?si=h7sIctlO1VvI2V_LLook at this fight, he's using actual psychic power bullshit.
>>94408254>Battletech is a creaky old relic now,>mechafuck dude. Even as a non-weebie lover and having only played battletech in videogame aspects. I know what "Unseen" are.Battletech is young enough to have stole a lot of designs from Japanimations.If Battletech is a creaky old relic, then most mecha is rusted dust.>Pic is the robotech one. I honestly wouldn't know what the gundan one's even look like.
>>94408669It’s macross you dumb 90s FAGGOT
>>94408669Anon, the release gap between Dougram and Macross and the release of Battledroids is like 2-3 years.
>>94408254What I'm going to say applies not just to table top games but all forms of games in general. IMO, it's the same reason a lot of vehicle games aren't popular either. The mech game spectrum can go from being just cosmetic (basically just a simple character that looks like a robot) to full autistic mode in which you'd need special hardware just to be able to play the game as the dev intended. Regardless on where the games fall in this spectrum, a lot of the people will get pissed off and the games will always end up niche. That nice spot that balances complexity and gameplay is yet to be found.But in mech genre in particular is extra fucked, because compared to other vehicles and machines, mechs are hard to justify logically. Only turbo nerds like mechs. For most people, the first thing they'll ask is why not just use a tank or airplane or whatever, even if the technnology was there. Once the novelty is gone, a lot of people simply lost interest in mechs.
>>94408254>Lancer is for faggots and commiesThis was the problem, Lancer could have broken out because it had decent-enough to pretty good rules, but the setting was abhorrent and the equally terrible writers encouraged an awful fanbase, the kind where you join the discord looking for a game and get banned for accidentally 'misgendering' a troon. And the art direction, man - no weeb is going to go for an 'anime' game made by people who clearly despise the style.I ran a couple of Lancer campaigns and each time I just ripped out the setting and used the rules on their own, but that's not a long-term solution for a game series to get broadly popular.
Honestly, Lancer turns me off purely because of how shit the mecha designs look. It's like they were designed by someone who has never looked at a robot before
>>94408810>For most people, the first thing they'll ask is why not just use a tank or airplane or whateverI don’t remotely agree with this in the context of RPGs. Mechs are humanoid machines, they essentially act like super heroes on a larger scale. Most people are going to find more personality in the human shaped robot their character pilots as an extension of their self rather than a tank crewed by either the entire party or a bunch of NPCs who don’t matter.Planes are closer to characters but they also attract a different breed of autists while also being rarer than mech rpgs.
>>94408254So as a proof of concept I wanted to see if you could use the nWoD rules to build a mecha game. Why nWoD? Because mecha as a whole is just a combat simulator which is just fucking boring. So a system that allows you to do roleplay in an academy-type setting - working with the other students, hanging out with instructors, having romances with the bridge bunnies, etc., - is very important, as is the combat. I was able to work out a modular system. Pic related is a screenshot.
And here are some of the mech combat modules. I stopped because there's no point in me shitting out a whole system if nobody is going to play it, but the point is that you can do it with no problem.
>>94408254>why has this never happened aside from several times when it didBecause most mecha (like most anime) is shit designed to peddle kits and wifus?
Even just deciding the damage types without going crazy is hard, since I wanted to keep them extremely limitedLike only having Physical damage/armor and Energy damage/armorand then Explosion as the only other type, which is resisted by whichever is the weaker armor (so although the explosive weapons are the strongest, they're also the most dangerous to use and may hit yourself and allies)
>>94408254Jovian Chronicles has the godstat/godskill problem; and the crunch aerial wargame problem.Robotech was Palladium so lol lmao>>94408277Lancer has the right idea in separating in-cockpit from out-of-cockpit. But to be fair, it also somewhat boxes you into an "everyone is a mech pilot" game.>>94408254AToW wasn't too bad iirc, but it also said something to the effect of "when the mechs come out, go break out Total Warfare and Tac-Ops."
>>94408810>For most people, the first thing they'll ask is why not just use a tank or airplane or whateverDude, most people don't give a shit about that, and a fair chunk will just roll with it if it's cool. If anything, mainly turbo nerd engineering autists will even ask such a question.
>>94409018That's kinda interesting anon, post more.
>>94408614Unicorn and it's consequences have been a disaster for the gundamfag race
>>94410002Gundam has had retarded psychic weapons like funnels almost since the beginning.
>>94408254Lack of customization. That's why Armored Core has popularity.
>>94408364>>94408614I meant more of the whole "combined arms mecha wargame" aspect, but fair. They offer completely different vibes despite being the same at a surface level glance.
>>94408810>mechs are hard to justify logicallyGod I hate pseuds. I swear, "justifying mecha" is the gearqueer equivalent of crying over the unrealism of bikini armor without realizing nobody actually cares.
>>94408254Mecha was already a dead genre by the time that Westerners got the idea to cannibalize any form of media they could get their hands on for kickstartker ttrrpg projects.
>>94408254The old Palladium Robotech TRPG was one of the few I ever actually enjoyed.
>>94408810>The mech game spectrum can go from being just cosmetic (basically just a simple character that looks like a robot) to full autistic mode in which you'd need special hardware just to be able to play the game as the dev intended.The others have already addressed your realism argument, which I agree with them is bogus, but I think this one is your stronger point.And I think the reason many games feel off is the same reason anime mecha is dying: you need passion to do mecha properly.You need to understand how to put focus on the mechanical aspects. You need designers with enthusiasm for engineering, for machines, people who have spent time figuring out the complex interplay of mechanisms. And who also understand how the mech is a silent character of its own, separate from the pilot.A modern corporate studio will skip all that, and that's how you get just a regular game with a metal protagonist.
>>94408810The one thing that Lancer got bang on was that its mechs aren't vehicles to move people, they're vehicles for people to express and impress themselves on a reality that would otherwise be unresponsive to their existance.So u just knoe.
>>94410516The sad part is you probably felt really smart typing that.The funny part is you still got everything wrong, since Lancer mechs are explicitly ineffective toys used solely as cheerleaders and to oppress mudfarmers because all REAL battles are fought with starships launching telekinetic kill clouds across star systems at each other.
>>94410539I cited private gun ownership as a metaphor here for a reason.
>>94408254pretty sad that schwarzette had only 2 min of screentime
>>94408254>Lancer is for faggots and commiesIt's a shame, because Lancer's rules are actually pretty solid. I'd much rather play Lancer than DnD any day of the week... but yeah, holy fuck, the community AROUND Lancer are the biggest bunch of mentally-ill keyboard-warriors I have ever seen. It's basically impossible to get a good Lancer group together if you're playing with people who already know what Lancer is, because 99% of them are terminally-online societal rejects.
>>94410659>I'd much rather play Lancer than DnDIt's the same damn thing thobeit
>>94410563You don't know how citations work if you think a picture of Homer with a gun is one
>>94410698It's really not. At least if we're talking 5e.
>>94410698Lancer's tech abilities come nowhere near the absolute game-breaking retardation of magic in D&D.
>>94410493This tbdesu. It's basically just Gundam left, Macross is dormant. When mecha was healthier, you had a lot more takes on them outside of legacy franchises from the 80s and 90s.
IDK what you all are talking about here, I personally think Mecha has had a revival the past few years DESU, we've had a Getter anime, a Mazinger Movie, and a Grendizer show. its not the juggernaught it was in the 80's and 90's but its still kicking every once and a while
>>94410283Armored Core was basically dead from the PS360 era. 4th and 5th Gen bombed. AC6's success has a lot to do with the decade of good will they built up from Dark Souls to Elden Ring than anything to do with mecha more broadly.
>>94410296Mechs and bikini armor are just two expressions of the same feeling>fuckin' cool
>>94410819Macross went all-in on the japanese idol market, and had no plan B for when it failed.
>>94410867I don't know about that. Yeah from software being now established helped with sales, but during the years we had a steady, if slow, stream of mecha games. Most of them just arena shooters, granted, but there was always something.
>>94408326ackchyually mobile suits are more like airplanes than tanks, given how they operate (single pilot, launching from carriers etc).also japanese tanks, while certainly underpowered in many cases, was not simply a case of bad design, given how its lightness allowed it to go where Americans tanks couldn't in the pacific islands and allowed it to attack from positions the Allies thought impossible.
>>94411144The production of Macross has always been sponsored by the music industry though? All they did was make an installment featuring an Idol team as that concept was raking in a lot of cash at that point.The problem with the last Macross show mostly lay in the producers being left floundering after after they (sensibly) were reminded that you can't group the members of a female idol team with a male pilot, because that would make them whore slut public toilet cumdumpsters.
>>94411186>you can't group the members of a female idol team with a male pilot, because that would make them whore slut public toilet cumdumpsters.What?
rate this simplified mecha design system
>>94411190My guess is that idol fans tends to lash out at any sign that heir beloved girls interacted with a man. Like, they can't go out with their father or brother without fans turning on them and labellin her an uber-slut.But in the case of anime, you'd think they'd self-insert into the male protagonist (I haven't watched the last Macross).
>>94411186Same reason heroines in show never get action on the romantic front: fans want them to be pure, ready for (Them). If the protagonist or any character claims them they get branded as used goods turbo sluts and catch enough vitriol to sand blast an aircraft carrier.
>>94411190Idol team members gotta be single and pure in order to farm the parasocial relationship that exists inside their fan's heads. The collective of their fans tends to lash out severely whenever it turns out that those women don't think of them at all once the curtains are down, so I'd assume that the music company told the anime production staff that they can't put literally every single idol character into some kind of emotional relationship with a man, as they had planned to originally.
>>94411236>Same reason heroines in show never get action on the romantic frontSherily won the bowl. I won't accept them using the Sky ending to bait-and-switch Alto into having been the pure and untaintable heroine of that show all along.
>>94411236Counterpoint: Sheryl was more popular than Ranka, at least when TV was airing. No idea how it is today. Also Lucy is a better girl than Myung in Macross Plus, but that's me.>>94411247Counterpoint: picrel
>>94411286>>94411287I have no idea about macross, just talking about series in general.
>>94411190Japan, purity culture, idols, etc.
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>>94411333Even Shinzo Abe only died because his financial backers destroyed multiple generations of a whole family. That's incomparable to idols who're fleecing people whose corpses will only be discovered on account of the smell having become a fixture.>>94411287If that's a manager game, then you gotta consider that all of those girl raising sims imply or outright feature a Hikari Genji ending.
>>94408254Battletech still gets numbers at my FLGS. It does well saleswise too. It's not a dead genre, but it's pretty much that one game.
>>94411186>>94411144Every Macross show except Zero had straight idols. One of the Delta shorts brings up the whole can never date anyone thing with Kaname stating that they were never marketed that way. I'm mildly interested to see what they do with the Sunrise Macross show and if they try trend chasing vtubers or girl bands or something.
>>94411380No, AKB 1/48 is explicitly about every idol being in love with a man (you) who has nothing to do with their career (eg manager).
>>94411420We tend to make fun of the Mormons, but they're at least not as awful at doing business as the Canucks who own Heavy Gear.
>>94411437Adding to what you said, other fictionalized takes on the group had romance too. AKB49 is explicitly about the protagonist (a dude who crossdresses and becomes a member) and one of the other members. AKB0048 also has a confession scene in the beginning with the girl and guy being tsun and only coming around at the end. And as you pointed out Macross is really explicit. Mylene didn't score on screen, but all the other bowl winning idols at least swap spit.
>>94411444CGL are bastards, DP9 are morons.
>>94411444What have the leafs done?
>>94411190The Japanese are extremists at heart. Dedication to a daimyo, shogun, or emperor has been replaced with idols and 2d waifus. There are Japanese men alive right now who, with no hesitation, would kamikaze a ship or disembowel themselves for their shit waifu.
>>94411836Nothing. They couldn't even get more than two video games made and they failed to release something as simple as a reskinned Border Break.
>>94408254Aside from the fact that normies are too insecure to sincerely enjoy mecha, the problem I see with it is that mecha are typically owned by a military so it would be hard to come up with a campaign involving them without heavy railroading. I know the Super Robot subgenre is an exception to this but then you've just got a superhero game with robots.
>>94408254Battletech is one of the most popular wargames outside of 40k and Lancer has, whatever you may feel about the audience, a decently large following for an indie system in the TTRPG space. The latter developed a large catalog of third party materials and resources despite very little first party support. Besides those, just as one example alone, 40k has a massive number of mech options. This includes at least three factions with mechs as their primary focus. A general for mech games runs here every Monday.What are you exactly perceiving that makes you feel otherwise? A ratio on the /tg/ catalog alone? A lack of games with Gundam's aesthetic specifically? Some deluded notion that games don't exist if they aren't based and redpilled?Have you tried just playing the games you want to play, instead of posting time wasting threads like this?
>>94408254Naught hear of Embryo Machine?check the Mecha Monday thread fer it.
>>94408326What the other anon said - mecha always had roots in military planes than anything else. Tomino's own main inspiration was seeing American bombers flying above and deciding that was both the fucking coolest and most terrifying shit ever.
>>94408810>For most people, the first thing they'll ask is why not just use a tank or airplane or whateverThis whole paragraph is fucking backwards, you retard. Most people wouldn't know enough to tell you why mechs wouldn't work IRL and even if they had a vague idea they'd also have enough sense to passively go along with "it's rule of cool". Turbonerds are the ones who piss and shit themselves over mecha being unrealistic.
>>94410737>>94410751Lancer is pretty much a straight rip of 4e.
>>94408254>Lancer is for faggots and commies.I have had more fun playing Lancer than any mech rpg you would likely ever reccomend to me.
>>94410081To be fair to anon: Unicorn feels like it uses tech that's almost 50 years ahead of what UC would use between CCA and F91.
>>94414454Fortunately F91 is shit and Crossbone will likely never get an anime adaption so most Gundam fans won’t notice.
Controversial Opinion: Centaur mechs are cool.
>>94414462It's a shame as Crossbone was a fun wild ride, but something tells me even if it did get an animated show: it would ditch the unique art style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtRtaMWoYxMAnd F91 deserved better.
>>94408254>popular wargames Battletech is actually in a bit of a renaissance right now and has been steadily climbing back from the porch incident for a decade or so. Not sure if we consider 40K a mecha game with knights, tau and such yet. Could be and that's just the mainline game before we get to Titanicus which did quite well. If you're thinking ttrpgs only, scifi just isn't as popular as generic fantasy, so there's that barrier to entry first then various other issues outlined vast insurmountable gulf between the rivet counters and anything feasibly pushable to wider audiences. The one that managed is for >faggots and commies because there's more of them than whatever you're on.
>>94412765OP is probably no gaems like most OPs. I'm just glad that I can play Battletech with friends most weeks instead of being confused as OP is.
>>94408669Battletech is simply a shit boomer IP. Everyone who likes it is a faggot.
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>>94408408Even if you draw up the absolute minimum mecha rules for Genesys, they're still pretty usable since they have a strong base to work off of.>To run mechas in your game, use the vehicle rules in the core book, along with the following additions:>>Mechas have their own Brawn score (0-5), separate from PC Brawn, for the purpose of planetary-scale skill checks such as Melee and Brawl.>>Mechas have the special rule "All-Terrain: When making a Driving check to direct this vehicle, your character may remove 2 setback dice added to the check due to terrain.">>Mechas may perform the vehicle maneuver "Reposition," which moves the vehicle one range band, at Speed 0, instead of the default Speed 1+. This means mechas can move from a dead stop instead of needing to accelerate to speed to move.>>Mechas may perform most all personal-scale maneuvers and actions, including the maneuvers "Guarded Stance," "Interact with the Environment" and "Manage Gear".>>Mechas may use planetary-scale weapons and equipment that are either mounted or hand-held. This means mechas, given the opportunity, have access to their own armory of equipment that can be handled similarly to personal-scale equipment.
>>94414553>charms poster is sour grapes lol
>>94408254>Lancer is for faggots and commiesThe incredibly hyper critical of its own self system requiring a massive amount of hypocrisy, double standards and human suffering to operate, often doing tons of black ops and more to achieve humanitarian standards it itself breaks outside of its core world centrality, is commie and for fags? It is the most honest setting ever in that the utopia is the most flawed thing in existence and then you have 4 other factions of psychos and trying to just often live out your life with the vast majority of the placers being in the outer sections of this sorta nice utopia that still has a massive fucking amount of problems.Lancer is probably the least pretentious mech game out there because it just goes>Yeah you're heavy cavalry and you got cool ass mechs>Do whatever with them>Union's pretty alright but you can also just go eugenic japanese ferrari or deep glowie esoteric terrorist or amazon psyops shipping murdermecha shareholder or human supremacist, its your game>Like really just go nuts, the universe is your oyster, fuck shit up or fix it, but have fun tooYou don't need much more. Game works, is non simulationist, easy to play, lore's pretty cool and the galaxy is huge, NHPs and more are fine plot hooks alongside meta vaults and shit. Battletech is a mid as fuck old franchise I can't get but even then I can see people liking it but not enjoying Lancer for what it is feels like contrarianism.
>>94414594>go murder people for not wanting to be part of the universal central government>it’s okay though because actually they’re the fascists>also don’t forget to pay your license fees for the right to use your mech’s design, hail our benevolent megacorpsLancer has always felt kind of tone deaf from an outside perspective
>>94414633No, that's kind of the point. Union controls most of the known galaxy by controlling money flow with manna, information with the omninet and rapid transportation with blinkgates, they're a government. A mostly well meaning government a galaxy wide without enough people to really do a lot of shit with so they resort to people well versed in big gun mechanized chassis murder and destruction to keep shit in line and try (and sorta achieve) a utopia with soft and institutionalized influence. They're not "good", they're well meaning corpo people who are boring but mostly benevolent but that benevolence isn't universal. Like if Amazon tried to make everywhere good to work at.But (You) are just a dude. HA isn't some kind of mega fascist ultra death camp having super chud conglomerate, they mostly believe in human supremacy and a lot of people work for their state and export well tested and well researched weapons that Union uses, alongside other places. HA isn't even evil compared to the actual shit the Baronies do, or the average Horus cell, or SSC and its infinite genetic horrors, they're just brutal and direct with gunboat diplomacy (and participation rewards for helping their system) while Union is soft power diplomacy and last resort gunboat diplomacy (using Lancers for human rights violations and stability to try and not be murderhobos).But (You) can still just buy a license from HA to use a flamethrower. Or buy a license from SSC for your missile bugatti. Or pass some money around to get paracausal tech. Or just buy yourself a leviathan minigun. You're just a dude in the galaxy, you can make it better, worse or just be self interested, not hard to understand but somehow people really just don't get it.
>>94412306>mecha are typically owned by a militaryStupid>Super Robot subgenreExtremely stupid>you've just got a superhero game with robots.Full retard
>>94414424Probably because you're a low iq commiefaggot
>>94414594>the game about globohomo mystery meat mutts hunting down any pockets of freedom and independence and grinding them down into yet more flavorless gruel because the brain-damaged mommydommy god-computer told them to is...LE COMMIE??!Yes you fucking idiot. The in-setting reason for getting a nicer mech is because your "mother may I" loicense just went up in privilege for fucks sake.>Lancer is probably the least pretentious mech game out thereCan't tell if ignorant retard or disingenuous shill. I've yet to read or play a mech game more pretentious than Lancer with its 500 page backstory about LE HECKIN PARACAUSALITY COMPUTERS!!! and WE CAUGHT ALIEN GODS...AND TURNED EM INTO FREAKIN AI!!! and all the half-assed attempts at hard sci-fi wank and how NONE of it has ANYTHING to do with the fucking mechs the game is supposed to be about.If you think that's the least pretentious mech game in existence, then you simply haven't plaued anything else.
>>94417062>globohomo mystery meat mutts hunting down any pockets of freedom and independence and grinding them down into yet more flavorless gruel because the brain-damaged mommydommy god-computer told them to is...LE COMMIE??!Anon the Long Rim and the Karakin and HA and SSC exist and Union is not fighting them nor do they really want to either. The "globohomo" doesn't exist and it most certainly lets an impressive amount of shit fly all the time for the sake of its own interest and core planet group. You aren't killing everyone who doesn't want to be part of Union either and Union lets you basically do whatever the fuck you want for the most part short of being an asshole. You're too brain poisoned by modern politics to understand Lancer correctly, which I'd say is an accomplishment but really its rather surprising considering its a rather simple concept to grasp.Lancer tells you paracausality and RA manifested and it really switched shit up, yes. Nobody caught gods, they caught strange post Monist tech, brainwashed it and use it for the sake of logistics and specialized roles while handing out subdivisions of prime units because its worth the risk, nobody is actually fucking with Monist or the god of the Aunics. They give you general background of the setting with the incredibly explicit nature that (You), the pilot, matter infinitely more than your mech. This is not Gundam, your mech will explode or crash and burn often, you can print a new one as a full action at a printer. There's famous mechs like Fearkiller and the original Zheng, there's some good flavour text and more about how development happened, why, the mechs usual use and more, but the setting is about what (You) do with the mechs. Again, you failed to understand Lancer, which would be an accomplishment considering how simple it is. Please unpoison yourself from politics and play the game like the squad based mecha rpg it is because it seems like you're really, really missing the point.
>>94417411Lancer is for fags. Everyone is drawn by tumblr artists, it's the fantasy of a godless gay future where everyone is some shade of brown.Honestly by aesthetics alone, it's globohomo as fuck.
>>94408254Mekton Zeta and Palladium's Robotech come to mind.
>>94417411(You) are, in fact, the reason why Lancer is so fucking hated. That it's some commie bash the fash toss is fact but that's under the table, what makes it so hated is people like you who, when confronted with that, act like the ones who point it out are wrong and making shit up. (You), your self-righteous attitude and your obsession with acting like anyone who disagrees with you is beneath you, is why Lancer is hated. Because nobody can have an issue with the core conceit of the setting, the way the mechs themselves are drawn and/or presented, the art in general, the game design, the lack of actual nitty-gritty customization, the disparity between in-mech and out-of-mech play and how out-of-mech play is unbelievably barebones, the inconsistent tone, or just how god-awful the mech designs themselves look.TL;DR: Go back.
>>94417411>Union is not fighting them nor do they really want to eitherThe whole "epic lore" behind the shitty Dune knockoffs is that that Union is trying to grind out their culture but can't fully commit since they space oil (VERY original, donut steel)>You're too brain poisoned by modern politics to understand Lancer correctlyIronic, given the expressly stated intent of the devs for Lancer to be pro-commie globohomo propaganda.>all this autistic technobabble that insists upon itselfNot exactly the unpretentious lil wholesome chungus you tried to bill it as earlier, lel
>>94417416>>94417496>>94417480Don't bother, this troon has a track record of pretentious verbal autofellatio that says nothing at all https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/image/9GH0z1I7DzPhrVV4ITeNJA/
I know Lancer had a bad rep because of who made it and their attitude but honestly thought the actual setting was pretty inoffensive. Is it actually that bad or is it just getting shit on because of the creator/fanbase?
>>94417416Anon, its mecha, its primarily autistic dudes who enjoy it and play it and they tend to be horndog straight. Tom has drawn plenty of shit beyond "tumblr", there's multiple manifested gods within the setting and several faiths and a ton of people are of multiple colors and perfectly fine. Bitches like the Monarch alt Viceroy mech are white, with skintight suits and a belly button window. Even the Lancaster has a white ass trucker on it, same with the Emperor while the vast majority are just in hardsuits or helmets. Even the ones that have blacks are shit like the White Witch with a beyond stacked the fuck up girl in a tight suit and a nice ass. Meta funny the genetic perfection faction only has white people in it too.>>94417480Criticizing it for mid non mech combat is entirely reasonable. If you, say, think stuff like you dislike most Horus mech designs, I'd even agree or at least admit some are kind of mid. If you say you'd like some more monetary crunch and more I'd also agree, the manna system is pretty alright and I find some stuff like Bonds to be beyond mega cringe, but if you are going to criticize it then do it right rather than misunderstand basic shit.>>94417496The main dev has stated he's regretted calling Union a utopia, which frankly I get because it isn't one in the slightest with how the vast majority of it is written. His statement is often exaggerated and considering his favorite faction is Horus, the faction who constantly fights Union and HA and SSC via extreme terrorist actions every sunday or so, he's not exactly shilling his own setting as a perfect beacon to follow.
>>94417514It's not great, but it can be workable depending on you, your group, and your own tastes. It's more the defense force that comes out the woodwork when you criticize it.
>>94417520>the manna system is pretty alrightThe Manna system is an incredibly slapdash system that doesn't amount to anything because the game was never designed for it from the outset. It just lets you separate elements of character creation, you still go through them in the near-same way, because there's no separation of character advancement and character inventory. All it does is give a player slightly more control over their advancement than the basic system, and nothing else.>but if you are going to criticize it then do it right rather than misunderstand basic shit.Blow it out your ass.
>>94417520>The main dev has stated he's regretted calling Union a utopiaHe literally said the game is about bashing the fash and being a good lil communist cog for the globohomo gangster computer god and has NEVER walked that back (and even if he did we both know it's just because he tipped his hand too much, just like walking back the utopia line), but nice attempt at deflection.
>>94417520You are so damn disingenuous it actually disgusts me.
>>94417535I said its pretty alright, not great Anon. Giving the game master control over advancements and the ability to also manage leveling up with additional objectives and missions is far more preferable versus plain just LL+1 after a mission, it adds depth to something which is pretty flat non simulationist and weird. Your lack of further criticism is fine, you have a point, just not as many as you think you do.>>94417538Galsim made Ra (or helped it manifest itself), and Ra basically fucked everyone out of the actual utopian dream of infinite no death while also screwing with the entirety of the solar system. The "globohomo gangster computer god" doesn't exist, because even with suposedly perfect accuracy predictions you don't actually have Union be perfect at all, only striving to be generally good (and mostly failing). The message the main dev states is that he's sick of cynical sci fi and people can do better, not that Union is gay space luxury communism because it isn't. Its easy to think it is, but the truth is that it isn't in any real practical way and its ugly, malfunctioning, overworked, barely really able to get its shit together and that's why it needs people like you to try and not fuck up constantly because its also mostly limp wristed. Its mega critical of itself, while not enforcing societal hegemony or miscegenation or whatever else you're applying to it. If anything, its basically trying to respect everyone as much as possible, which communards wouldn't do at all.>>94417543No, you're disgusted by my honesty Anon. I just don't agree with you and have an argument as to why not.
>>94417543I'm glad that I'm not you.
>>94417579Kill yourself, you sanctimonious fucknugget.
>>94417601>https://luke-shaw.medium.com/lancer-an-interview-transcript-ea118cebfbf8>but we didn’t want it to be nihilistic or cynical, we wanted it to have a sense… of a fight has been won, but the utopia that has been achieved is a verb, it’s still a thing in progress. It still could fall apart but for the players actions and effort y’know. I wanted to hold that in mind when I wrote the setting, I wanted to have the right balance — things are really good, and things are really bad. It’s really funny when I see it pop up in discussions of the book like, “They talk about the world being utopian but there’s all these problems!” and as the writer I want to be like “I KNOW! As the writer I wrote those in! Go fix them!”>Tom: Yeah without them there’d be no story, you can’t have a situation that’s completely static.>Tom: I was just gonna add, I am very strongly anti-utopian and don’t believe in an end state in anything. I don’t believe history is so linear.>Miguel: I’d agree with Tom, neither of us view Lancer as having a singularity or apotheosis moment for humanity.>Tom: Yeah, that was really important thing to leave out of the setting intentionally/>It basically follows two characters at the foundation of Union talking about the necessary continuation of the struggle of utopia as a verb basically, and they cast it as like… there’s no end state to this, it’s a struggle between I dunno know, primordial forces good and evil. It’s a boxing match that’s never gonna end. I think Tom and I both view — specific interpretations aside — Union existing in that context. Neither of us want the setting to reach a Iain M. Banks Culture singularity type thing.
>>94417601Yes, yes, cry harder for me. Somebody somewhere is living by their ideology, and their ideology is not your ideology, tell me how that feels for you.
>>94417622This makes it sound like the Union really is devs' utopia, with conflict thrown at it so the setting remains interesting.
>>94417601Yeah but it’s not really reflected in game. If you can't enjoy something because of the creators politics then you can't enjoy 90% of anything out there, and on top of that you're really no different to the twittards trying to cancel IPs for XYZ dev comment.
>>94417601wow, that's cringe>we made this for the losers
Do you really need anything more than "imperialist earth-based government vs fascist revolutionaries from space colonies" for a mecha setting?
>>94417631Anon, people aren't meant to be here to convince one another to begin with, but you being this much of a little cunt really makes sure their position is even stronger and more reinforced if that's what you want to do. Don't be a cringelord.>>94417649They admit utopias aren't real, they don't like utopias at fucking all and believe the whole linear and upwards story of humanity as always improving is a farce and they don't really believe its that simple, but they believe that its worth fighting for and to do better things as a person irl. As a simple moral and as a setting, having a bunch of flawed people try to do good and facing bullshit and fucking up is pretty fine, and them admitting that yeah, they're anti utopia themselves and more makes it much less preachy to the whole strawman of galaxy infinite buttsex with hedonism paid bill shit which I myself hate a lot. Average commie wishing for gay space luxury communism hasn't worked for shit to achieve it, so having a corpo try to make a decent place and fucking up seems fine.I dunno how you really get "They believe in this!" when they straight up say they're anti utopian and that they don't want a cultural singularity or apotheosis.
>>94417649It's an attempted utopia. If it still has unsolved problems then it isn't a real utopia. And I admire their willingness to tell a story about an attempted utopia because that's a hard subject.
>>94417679It’s worked for like 80% of mecha anime for the last 30-40 years, so not really no.
>>94417680>Don't be a cringelord.Can you translate this statement for me? I think it means "Don't say anything that would cause a lonely judgmental loser to feel discomfort on the internet". I think I may be missing something but I'm not sure what.
>>94417680>I dunno how you really get "They believe in this!" when they straight up say they're anti utopian and that they don't want a cultural singularity or apotheosis.Okay, how about that—they talk about how a pretty damn good thing has already been achieved, but like everything, it's a work in progress and is expected to change with time.That still means they approve of 90% of what is already there. That the system is right, but the kinks need to be handled.I don't know where *you* get that they are dissatisfied with the big picture. They explicitly call is a struggle between good and evil. I get it directly from the text.
>>94417704No the translation is "Most of us won't really change their minds much, so you being abrasive and a cunt really makes it so the very small chance we do change our minds becomes 0 and makes people hate the other side even more."Which if you're just fucking about without sincerity it's fine, but if you are somehow sincere and opposite to this Anon's viewpoints, you're just fueling his dislike for you even more which is actively counterproductive to your entire point and everything.>>94417730Yes, Union tries to do good and its a good thing, and you got a lot of other people doing active bad shit like the KTB and SSC and more. But Union as Utopia isn't what they want, and their path isn't that straight and cultural and societal homogeneity is not desired at all on a meta level and its very much clear that Union is going to have to change and become better, not just be GLSC. Union isn't their Utopia because they don't believe in Utopia, they believe in the act of striving for a better tommorow while knowing they can still fail.The big picture they like is the struggle and the fight, not how Union is trying to be universal homogenous GLSC Utopia. It seems like splitting hairs but its important to distinguish that they think Union is on the *right path* but *wrong ideological destination*, and how a lot of people think the destination is mega cool when even the creators admit its pretty shit and would rather Third Com would evolve as it struggles and fights.
>>94417579>you're disgusted by my honestyYou lie as easily as you breath
>>94417747>The big picture they like is the struggle and the fight, not how Union is trying to be universal homogenous GLSC Utopia. It seems like splitting hairs but its important to distinguish that they think Union is on the *right path* but *wrong ideological destination*From where are you getting that part?
>>94417806>we wanted it to have a sense… of a fight has been won, but the utopia that has been achieved is a verb, it’s still a thing in progress.>It still could fall apart but for the players actions and effort y’know. I wanted to hold that in mind when I wrote the setting, I wanted to have the right balance — things are really good, and things are really bad>“They talk about the world being utopian but there’s all these problems!” and as the writer I want to be like “I KNOW! As the writer I wrote those in! Go fix them!”>Tom: Yeah without them there’d be no story, you can’t have a situation that’s completely static.The process is the point. Utopia is a verb, its a thing in process and the players are meant to be there. He's anti cunicism and nihilism, so the fight is the point.>Tom: I was just gonna add, I am very strongly anti-utopian and don’t believe in an end state in anything. I don’t believe history is so linear.>Miguel: I’d agree with Tom, neither of us view Lancer as having a singularity or apotheosis moment for humanity.>of the struggle of utopia as a verb basically, and they cast it as like… there’s no end state to this, it’s a struggle between I dunno know, primordial forces good and evil. >It’s a boxing match that’s never gonna end. I think Tom and I both view — specific interpretations aside — Union existing in that context. >Neither of us want the setting to reach a Iain M. Banks Culture singularity type thing.The process is, again, the point. They don't like utopias at all and don't like he endpoint of Union. History is not linear. There's no end state, its a struggle, a boxing match that won't end. Union exists in this boxing match forever, and it shall never achieve a "Iain M. Banks Culture singularity type thing." because they don't want it to. Lancer, as a setting, is about the struggle and the fight because they don't want an "end", especially a purely Utopian GLSC End.
>>94417747>No the translation is "Most of us won't really change their minds much, so you being abrasive and a cunt really makes it so the very small chance we do change our minds becomes 0 and makes people hate the other side even more."lol, you're just rephrasing what I said. It's normal to feel discomfort when someone tells you that you're wrong, I'm not trying to say that your feelings are not valid, I'm just trying to tell you that your discomfort is not an argument. Rightoid retards always think that their moral principles should be the only moral principles that are allowed in fiction. If you imagine something that couldn't exist in their ideology, then they will portray you as an evangelical asshole, but in reality they're the worst evangelical assholes and they know it.
>>94417830You've just restated your earlier point. Yes, they said utopia is a process.But you're making claims about how this means the authors disagree with certain specific elements of the setting, and that is just pure fanfiction on your part.If you want to make specific claims, you need specific reasons, not a general "the authors don't like 100% of the setting, therefore I can decide which parts they didn't like". You're pulling things like "wrong ideological path" out of your ass.
>>94417832No, you're being their strawman which legitimizes their position and continues further radicalization and isolation from opposite points. You're not causing discomfort, you posted >Yes, yes, cry harder for me.Vindictive actions while pretending you're above other -oids is both how you never convince anyone, distance yourself from others with a superiority complex and condition whoever listens to never listen to you ever again. They madly misunderstand Lancer, you madly act like their strawman so they are further validated whenever they criticize using their logic engine and you come out of the woodwork to, in their perception, seethe.You insist upon yourself as an enemy offering nothing to them but scorn which they expect. You're the strawman they want to exist so they don't have to think about anything. You're making things worse and contributing nothing to any talks, even if controversial. You do the all the evangelizing they require for them.
>>94417867>you're being their strawmanGood. Talking to the liberals in their heads is bad for them, talking to real liberals is better for them, I fondly wish to replace their stupid strawman opinions with my own opinions. >which legitimizes their positionNot really, no, their position doesn't require any sort of legitimacy. Part of the reason why they rail against liberal strawmen is to manipulate people like you and to make you biased against actual liberal opinions. It's just another one of those petty things that they do in order to control the narrative in quasi-public places.They want you to behave as though there's something wrong with liberal authors telling a story about an attempted utopia. I know that you don't actually believe that, I've been reading your comments, but you're still behaving as though it's true. They're playing you and it's working.
>>94408254because if you're into mecha and you want minis you get into gunpla and stay with gunpla
>>94408254Because the hobby is dominated by fantasy wargames.
>>94417900Those aren't minis, those are bigies.
>>94417911>1/144 scale>barbie sizeit's a mini. gundam is a big bot
>>94417864It might be I'm badly explaining myself but I don't see much else to go when you got premises of>Authors are hard anti-Utopia>Union tries to be a Utopia and fucks up>Union is most enjoyable when its not what people think Union is (grand hegemonic "globohomo" commies or whatever)>Eternal fight is what Union is made to be and both the point of the game where you can help (synergy with their own moral take with the game for irl and the fight within it in character)>>94417897Yes really, yes. I have no idea what you are even remotely talking about liberals and applying labels, I just know people acting like you on either spectrum make for very easy to digest propaganda to radicalize people because you act cringe as hell. Its infinitely easier to cluster to your group of you're just surrounded by people who are mostly alright by your standards and the others are obnoxious people asking if you're crying about how they exist.I'm sincerely confused because you seem to have your own network of political thought and all and seem to mean well, but you're falling for the bait of acting like a cunt so they can make [Political Oponent] gets fucking owned compilation nºXXX screencaps or videos. Missing the trees for the forest.
Hey faggots, this isn't the stealth Lancer thread. Go peddle your dead game elsewhere, no one's interested.
>>94417961>I'm sincerely confusedYou are under the influence of bad actors. There's nothing wrong with liberal authors telling a story about an attempted utopia, and you know this, and yet you're still scolding me for saying it. A person who feels bad about that is a person who deserves to feel bad, and I'm glad that they feel bad, I drink their tears and laugh.I hope to christ that they screencap my posts and spread them across the internet. I hope that they spend a lot of time and effort broadcasting my opinions, but they won't, because I've crucified their central point. There's nothing wrong with liberals telling stories about attempted utopias, and they know it, their narrative is incestuously self-indulgent and it doesn't hold up to outside opinions. That's why these people came to 4chan in the first place, they're anonymous here and they can't really be banned and they thought that their act would be more successful under these conditions. And if it were up to you they'd be right.
>>94417961>It might be I'm badly explaining myself but I don't see much else to go when you got premises of [...]I see it more as:>authors are anti utopia-the-end-state>authors are very much pro utopia-as-a-process, with many steps: "okay utopia" becomes a different "okay utopia" becomes a different "okay utopia" ad infinitum>one of these steps is the """globohomo""" state>given no indication to the contrary, I think it safe to assume the authors think this too is an okay utopia, with bad small parts but good big picturePut another way, I see no indication the authors wouldn't want to live in the world they've created. Improvements yes, revolution no. And the work *is* overtly political, as evidenced by >>94417601.
>>94417998I know there isn't a bad thing about attempted utopia or someone making their own tabletop with that, I'm scolding you for being anti social and abrasive. I can agree with you, and I think I do despite my confusion(?), but I can tell you to be more personable as you're dehumanizing everyone else needlessly. Drinking tears and laughing is bad, and hoping to christ you are made into propaganda to fuel division is also bad. Please stand out of the soap box Anon.>>94418002Yknow what, that's pretty fair. I don't entirely see it, but I can see enough to understand where you're coming from. I replied to that post with the interview quotes because their views seem a little bit deeper and more complex than just what they wrote there, and some people don't dig in much deeper. Can't say I blame them, it can be a pain.
>>94418002>And the work *is* overtly politicaAny story that contains a fictional government is necessarily overtly political. And that's fine. That shouldn't stop anyone from telling stories about fictional governments.
>>94418025>you're dehumanizing everyone else needlessly.I don't agree with your ideas about "dehumanizing", to tell someone that they're wrong and stupid is to tell the that they're human, but of course that isn't the point. I'm certainly showing them scorn and I'm certainly laughing at their discomfort, which is your real point, you think that this is wrong. I disagree with that too. This is one of those times where drinking tears and laughing is the best possible response, because their grievance isn't legitimate, they're just mad at me for existing and for not agreeing with them. They can be as mad as they want, that's fine with me, I will drink their tears and laugh. Their propaganda fuels division, because their propaganda is intended to terminate thought, it's intended to stop people from talking about these things (and it's especially intended to stop people from talking to "people on the other side"). You are a victim of this. If I can replace their propaganda with my propaganda then I have made the world a brighter place. If they're saying that it's wrong for Lancer to have a story that was obviously written by liberals, and then they screencap me saying "No it isn't", then I have left the world better than I found it. I don't expect this to happen, I don't think that any of them are going to screencap my posts, I think that you are psychotically self-conscious because they have groomed you to be psychotically self-conscious.
>>94418025>Yknow what, that's pretty fair. I don't entirely see it, but I can see enough to understand where you're coming from.Fair day to you too, anon.>>94418035>Any story that contains a fictional government is necessarily overtly political.Different "political".You mean "contains politics-related themes, like governance and beaurocracy".I meant "pertains to current political events and situations, and has an agenda to comment on them and influence the wider discourse". The quote is clearly in the second category.
>>94418084>"contains politics-related themes, like governance and beaurocracy".>"pertains to current political events and situations, and has an agenda to comment on them and influence the wider discourse".Those two things are the same. A person who attempts to portray a political situation without revealing their own understanding of politics is merely deferring to someone else's agenda, that doesn't make it less political, that just makes it less good.
>>94418066Yeah you've definitely drank a lot of your own koolaid. That's fine enough really, I suppose the first post I did send to you was that this was not the way to convince anybody and few people were going to be convinced, and you indeed failed to convince me and I failed to convince you. I'd be a hypocrite to really try or to engage more, especially when really, you just sound kind of silly by stating I'm psychotically self-conscious when I just don't drink my "enemies" tears.
>>94418104Dude, I'm not arguing this. You either put a president in a story because the heroes need to rescue his daughter, or because you want to talk (in 2024) about how orange man bad. It's disingenuous to pretend you don't see the difference.
>highly passionate dicussion about fictional politicscue BEYOND THE TIME
>>94418207>Dude, I'm not arguing this.I know. Your position is based on a very shallow concept of political correctness, you have nothing to argue.>>94418122>Yea you definitely agree with yourselfYup, you got me. For what it's worth, I'm not literally drinking their literal tears, that would be gross and unsanitary. It's just a way of saying that their weaponized self-pity is ineffective against me and that I'm glad. I'm sorry that you don't feel the same. I think it's very sad how you keep focusing on my tone and completely ignoring the ideas that my tone was responding to.
>>94410702Just take the L, dude.
>>94417651>it’s not really reflected in gameOmegacope
>>94418326>comes back a day and three hours later to seetheLol.It's either that or someone alerted the discord shills for a raid.
>>94417514>Is it actually that bad or is it just getting shit on because of the creator/fanbase?The nicest thing I can say about Lancer's setting is it HATES the fact that it's a mecha setting. Just absolutely loathes it. You can tell the writers Abby commissioned would rather be wroting aboyt fully automatic gay space communism in space than about mechs. Which is why they pivoted so quickly to their gay spaceship game set in the same setting.
>>94417832>Rightoid retards always think that their moral principles should be the only moral principles that are allowed in fiction.Oh the absolute projection on display is just precious.
>>94417830>and don't like he endpoint of UnionThat's literally the opposite of what they said. They said the Union is righteous and moral and just and the right side of history, it just needs to be even better. Therefore, you must go kneel on the necks of the last specks of individuality until all has been ensloppened into grey, gay homogeneous sludge.
>>94418784Let me guess, you think that mainstream media is being infiltrated by a so-called-minority of leftist parasites, and you think that idpol rightoids are a secret majority who are secretly holding a candle for you. You are wrong, and you will stay mad, and I will drink your tears.
>>94418812Ntayrt. Who won the popular vote?
I have never played Lancer, and now I never want to. It would appear that everyone aware of it online, because it's the sort of game you have to play online, is insufferable.
>>94418812I have no clue what you're schizoyapping about but but I can only assume you're venting residual asshurt from losing an argument somewhere else. I hope they see this, lil bro.
>thread looking for good mecha systems >becomes the lancertranny dilation general This is reason enough to despise Lancer tbdesu
>>94418909True, but it answered the question of why mecha systems never became popular. Too much gay.
>>94414487Look, I am a simple man with simple desires, such as sinking a battleship by smashing my face into it.
>>94419125Based Jupiterchad.
>>94408964Lancer’s funny because the devs have a problem encouraging people to play anything other than Size 1/2 mechs. People are crazy about the Size 1/2 mechs, which is funny because most of the Size 1/2 are glorified suits of power armor. The number of times I’ve seen artwork portray what is obviously just somebody’s 5e PC wielding a beam rifle is what sold me on this belief.But the art *has* been getting better. The game’s calmed down since the Bad Old Days. The Discord is still fascist, but that’s mostly because large-population Feel Good sites are fascist by nature. When you don’t get the Fantasy Mech designs, most art seems to be pretty comfortable “mud and lasers” heroics with genuinely good-looking men and women. You even get white people, now. The days of everyone being a fat black woman with an overbite is over - though that’s largely also because Tom has moved on from LANCER because Tom is a grown-ass man with kids. You can tell his true opinions on things when he called his newborn “my son” instead of some NuAge gender-neutral term.The troons aren’t going to leave, though. They got into positions of power and the culture of the game celebrates them. More importantly, the game only exists as an online system, which troons adore. That’s the other big type of art you get these days; fantasy mechs, normal cool Mecha art, and some tired old “celebration” on being a woman with a penis.
>>94408254Weird though it may sound, I think an important part of mecha is making it possible to exit the machine. If you're in the mech 100% of the time, and you fight other mechs, you don't really get the sense of scale or power. Note how anime often has heroes leave their mechs to do plot stuff.In RPGs especially this is problematic, because your typical player is rightfully paranoid, and leaving the protection of your 20 ton suit of armor is basically asking the GM to spring some shit on you.A good system needs to make so players can feel reasonably safe outside of the mech, and also make that part reasonably interesting. Otherwise you end up with everyone effectively roleplaying as Dreadnoughts.
>>94419253As long as Tom keeps simping for that faggot Wing and leaving him in charge the perception of Lancer's community will never improve.
>>94418904I have an appropriate level of scorn for right-wing astroturfers looking for excuses to spread their gospel on game-related websites.
>>94419467>I think an important part of mecha is making it possible to exit the machineNo need to get off the machine. Just show it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWkgFdUcayY
>>94419525Funny you should pick Armored Core, because AC6 absolutely had the scale problem. Even though you were in a giant mecha, you felt miniscule because everything around you was super extra giant.
Lancer clears. I don't give a shit about the community because I happen to have my own friends, and also I am capable of using the power of my own imagination to swap whatever stuff I don't care about from the lore with stuff I prefer. Y'know, like how every other TTRPG is played
>>94419645Lancer is not a mech game. It's dungeons and dragons except you tell yourself "Okay, you're not a Fighter, you're piloting the F.I.G.H.T.E.R mech!" but not changing anything else.the fact you're insecure enough to defend a shitty troon tankies game with garbage mechanics by saying "uhhh actually i don't like the lore at all, I just like the mechanics" is even more embarrassing. At least those terminally online losers who identity with the game's politics have some reason to care about such a shitty game, you're the worst of all worlds where you deflect from the awful fluff by saying you love the awful crunch instead
>>94419685>how dare you bypass my entire point!>also no true mech game!Cool. Lancer still clears.
>>94419691Okay.
Why can't you people just play out a Starship Troopers campaign in Hercynia as Harrison I intended?
>>94419763Because none of these people play TTRPGs. Their understatement of games comes from videogames, so the idea that you can simply do things the developers never intended or wished for you to be able to do escapes them completely, because 'the game wouldn't let you do that!'
>>94419793*understanding
>>94419793>>94419798>Lancer clears senpai it's so bussin fr ayo it's fire bruh!You're the retarded one here. Your argument is that what makes a game amazing is ignoring anything "negative" about it and using le imagination. But that could be said about literally anything. The real issue is you absolutely agree with Lancer's retarded politics and you're just running cover for that by trying to act like you're so above it. You're not. You're a disingenuous little slime ball.
>>94419822>le imaginationWay to immediately tell on yourself as a nogames lmao
>>94419829Praising a game for "allowing" you to ignore everything about it as if that's an inherent strength of the system? Who the fuck do you think you're fooling? That's what's hilarious about you commie rats, you're supposedly so proud of your dogshit ideology but you don't even have the balls to praise it without acting like you don't. Because you know it's poison to anyone with a working brain, you poison-pill it with lying and misdirection. The truth is you don't feel that Lancer's politics should be ignored, you're just saying that to try and package it for normie consumption. You know it's fucking gay and retarded to anyone outside your bubble.
>>94419467Or at least give a feeling of there being a different scale factor between human and mech combatants. Cyborg mech soldiers, robotic lifeforms and AI controlled robots don't really need to "get out of the mech" but there needs to be something giving players a decent sense of power difference between mechs and basic humans.
>>94419851And you continue to tell on yourself. ''Allowing''? Brother every single TTRPG 'allows' you to pick and choose whatever you want from both the mechanics and the lore, that's how it is when you're dealing with books and sheets of paper instead of game code. You'd know that if you actually played TTRPGs, but you've already made clear you're just an outrage tourist
>>94408254Wasted fucking design. They've created something so unique and cool, and it had a total screentime of about 3 minutes. I'm still mad.
>>94418459Seems like you need a break from the internet if you're this paranoid.
>>94419887>And you continue to tell on yourself. ''Allowing''? Brother every single TTRPG 'allows' you to pick and choose whatever you want from both the mechanics and the lore, that's how it is when you're dealing with books and sheets of paper instead of game code.That's my entire point you absolute fucking retard. Since you can do that with any fucking game you want, how does that make Lancer a game that "clears" you stupid fucking moron?
If you have the time to slapfight in defense of the game then you have the time to explain what (if anything) it does to evoke the mech genre.
>>94419887Not Lancer, the setting is pretty baked into the mechanics.
>>94420008>It evokes the mech genre if you pretend it does, nogames!
>>94419861>Or at least give a feeling of there being a different scale factor between human and mech combatants.You mean like Megadamage?Other than that, it seems that you're basically fucked if your mechs are taller than five meters. People's brains just turn off and register things as being pretty tall.It's like in the EDF games, where, after a while, you just classify stuff as either fitting on your screen or you currently being way too close to them. A Space Peppe being taller than a Space Ant really doesn't matter at all in the end.
>>94408254How come he got a dick?
>>94419253>The Discord is still fascist, but that’s mostly because large-population Feel Good sites are fascist by nature.I’m pretty sure the Discord is full of fascists because Lancer is one of the most unintentionally fascist games ever made.
>>94420046he's from a long line of penis-having mechs.
>>94420039>You mean like Megadamage?Damage scales like Palladium's Megadamage is one way as long as MDC doesn't become so prolific in human-sized conflicts that MD becomes the standard form of damage. Rifts and the like could really use a "Kilodamage" scale between SD and MD for things like powerarmor cyborgs and robots while saving MD for full sized mechs and other large things.Another way is to introduce a delay between initiating an action and resolving an action based mostly on the combatants scale. This would let smaller things react faster to the actions of larger things while still causing things of the same scale to act and react normally.
>>94419625Don't know anon, the absolute brutal scale of things in AC6 that makes your 20+ meters death machine look like toy tickles my peepee real good[spoilers]having to wait fifteen minutes to post sucks monkey balls[/spoilers]
>>94420143But at the same time AC6 also has human sized doors and such to give a scale of how much larger your AC is.
>>94420080fun show, that.
>>94420080I see your cockpit is as large as mine.
>>94419467That's the roadblock I typically run into. Having the pilots act more often while outside of their mechs feels like an important aspect of the genre, but the PCs would usually be very discouraged from doing anything like that ever because of that paranoia. If everything is just mechs 24/7 then it feels like it might as well just be suits of power armor.
>>94420173>>94420156
>>94420213Make it a built-in pile bunker.
>>94420143>the absolute brutal scale of things in AC6 that makes your 20+ meters death machine look like toy tickles my peepee real good>>94420153>AC6 also has human sized doors and such to give a scale of how much larger your AC isCan't say that's been my experience. It's true there are human-sized doors and shit—if you specifically look for them. I *wanted* to feel big, but I had to put conscious effort into getting that sense of scale. All the industrial structures are ridiculously huge, all the roads are 6-lane or bigger, all the houses are mega-skyscrapers. You need to do the mental framing yourself. It's all deemphasized.There isn't a single point in the game designed to make you feel big, and I will fight you on that.
>>94419793How about I punch you in the fucking throat, huh? Let’s see you bash the fash with a goddamn collapsed trachea.
>>94419516>astroturfers looking for excuses to spread their gospel on game-related websites.Resorting to projection again, I see
>>94420059There’s nothing unintentional about it. Any society that tries to actively “protect” what is already the dominant culture becomes a fascism by nature.
>>94419763>leftists in charge of being funny for once in their fucking lives>just once
>>94419793>Their understatement of games comes from videogamesIronic, given that by the dev's own recommendation Lancer is a mobile game seeing as it was built assuming you'd use the accompanying phone app.
>>94420224Not possible according to construction rules. Plus the joke wouldn't be as funny if there were no variant that already has that medium laser in the CT.
>>94420173>Cow compartment SOVL
Brigador wargame FUCKING WHENI literally started learning battletech last week just to recreate brigador vehicles there
>>94420290And you need to work on your art
>>94419763>>94419793Why would I play >a shit game >with shit rules >and shit worldbuilding >where even the art is shit>all made by shit people That, to top it all off, doesn't even feel like you're piloting mechs? No TRPG is going to be perfect, but Lancer brings literally nothing to the table.Amd it's ironic you cry /v/ermin, when you're the ones using the classic Bethesdasimp defense of W-WELL, YOU CAN JUST MOD IT UNTIL IT'S ALMOST A REAL GAME
>>94420329>this troll is still trying to force his shitposting catchphraseLOL it's been 8 years since she won the banner contest. What a bitch you are.
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>>94420255It is admittedly not perfect, but you can see FromSoftware's attempt at least compared to some other games. Likely should have used a few early areas to give a sense of the size ACs are to humans so that the "I'm big but this thing is Gargantuan." feel would have been better pulled off.
>>94420320Just Black Hand my shit.
>>94408254mechs are popularas a sub-genre of science-fiction
>>94420197Justify it with XP breadcrumbs. The system will do everything to incentivize blowing stuff up in your mech, and then people will get surprised that PCs aren't playing in a rock band or whatever.
>>94417020I'm smart enough to not buy into groupthink.
>>94420981>xhe says, shilling the commiefag idpol agitprop pretending to be a game Lol
>>94408254Different reasons for different types of mecha.>Jap Real RobotAlways served better as anime and vidya games, rather than ttrpgs. While there's a good deal of gear autism in J!RR, the way they design their machines make them poorly suited for the tabletop, and best suited for an automatic simulation where all the numerous fiddly bits of each machine is glossed over or automated.>Jap Super RobotThe mech literally doesn't matter, unless it's quasi-(or literally)-sentient. It's all about the characters, and super robot ttrpgs will always run into the criticism of all Jap Super Robot.>Western Real RobotThere aren't enough people for this genre to have a viable community anymore, that's basically it. They either have tables that haven't changed members for 20 years or play MegaMek. That, and the fact that vidya has stolen 99% of Western Real Robot fans away from the table.>Western Super RobotI have no evidence of this existing. Pacific Rim doesn't count.
>>94421555>Always served better as anime and vidya games, rather than ttrpgs.That's a good point, actually. Mecha is a visual trope. It's harder to do the genre justice with a narrative medium. Same reason there are few books about mechs.
I play lancer with my friends and have fun :)
>>94421999Same. Nice trips.
>>94421999Heckin valid and trucute post, xister!
>>94421999This? This right here. This is important. Please, I hope more people can read this.
>>94417411>>94417520Anon? You're speaking the truth. Truly. You know what you're talking about and I deeply respect that. I'm being serious, this isn't irony poisoning.But I disagree with one point, and one that nobody has broached at you. The community is cancer. LANCER has one of the most mind-bogglingly unapproachable communities I've ever seen. It might've been cultivated at the start for an easy source of instant fans, but the number of eggshells you need to walk around those pronoun-packing people is insane - and nobody is willing to criticize each other! That Afro-Futurist DLC was power-crept nonsense. I'm sorry, the Empaaki is overtuned in ways the Zheng can only dream of, and nobody bats an eye because everyone knows the pecking order. It's disgusting.>>94417543Gamer he's saying that the Gay Tranny Communist Utopia is, at best, window dressing for what is an honest cop at mud and lasers mecha action and that most of the art beyond like one or two egregious examples show handsome men and women of varying skin colors and body types. While there's fat black bitches, there's also white girls with frankly enormous breasts (bigger than any DnD freak would dare to draw) and white men that range from beer-chugging crypto-fascists to dorks that wouldn't be out of place in a story where he wins the girl at the end. Even the Sparri aren't *really* black, they're Maori, and are already described as getting diluted by outsiders joining the tribes. LANCER is niggerfaggot because the community is actively toxic, not because the game itself is. Fuck, man. We've seen Stigmata, we've seen Thirsty Sword Lesbians. We've seen games that play what they preach, and LANCER is hardly one of them. Tom is a husband and father who actively assumes his children's genders every day, and as we've seen with his later works only draws fat black bitches because that's kinda what he's into. Who can blame him for having a fetish? Stopping here because I'm about to run out of words.
>>94424525Adding something because I'm caffeinated, but I've played in multiple LANCER campaigns in a reasonably large community (Not *the* community) and you know what everyone makes? Busty babes of various skin tones alongside anime boys who are 95% of the time white and straight. I've never actually seen a black male LANCER, or even anyone that wasn't darker than Jayce from Arcane. The women always shack up with the men too, it's consistent and omnipresent, and the only time you see girls kissing girls is when there simply aren't enough men to go around.And I need to take a step back and remind you that we're living in a gay faggot future where everyone is drawn brown, queer and fat. LANCER's art style is nothing unusual among tabletop RPGs - in fact, I'd say it's willingness to draw women with thick, heaving breasts and handsome, grizzled men pings it as a little more tolerable than DnD or Pathfinder. When's the last time you saw a busty bitch in *any* TTRPG art? Seriously?
>>94424525>The community is cancer. LANCER has one of the most mind-bogglingly unapproachable communities I've ever seen.Anon, I think there's a misunderstanding in you thinking I disagree. I find these people to be the most obnoxious double standarded retards I have ever witnessed, and I have witnessed a lot of retarded people in my life. I absolutely abhor PILOTNET and everything they "stand" for, I abhor their double standard of constantly shitting on HA while giving shit like SSC and IPSN and especially fucking HORUS a pass. I despise their anti "fascism" while also having the most fascist moderation in existence. I despise that they cannot stop associating Horus, a terrorist fucking cell of insane people or glowies or worse, with trans rights. I despise them as a group. I despise Kai Tave and his absurd garbage "balance" in almost every single way I have ever witnessed him to do it, be it on official or unnoficial things, and should I run Lancer I will myself ban the Empakai because it is condensed cringe.I primordially understand why people dislike Lancer based on the community. You realize I know what I'm talking about so I'll be straight, I can't blame people for disliking it based on its community and for them to think its community embodies what the game states. That's why I talk about why it isn't, trying to be patient rather than just telling them to eat shit.Because I get it. You get it. Lancer ain't flawless, shit like Kai is cringe, and a Goblin dabbing with a trans flag in a fascist moderation ultra trans rights are humans rights tabletop server is fucking laughable or utterly disappointing. But the core is itself what it is, it just has a cancerous growth which sadly shouldn't exist. But we can play still, enjoy thick black bitches with heaving titties and ass, nice mechs and cool flawed utopias still.
>>94424627>But the core is itself what it is, it just has a cancerous growth which sadly shouldn't exist. But we can play still, enjoy thick black bitches with heaving titties and ass, nice mechs and cool flawed utopias still.Rock on, anon. Have a lovely Wednesday. There are no perfect systems, and while LANCER has a community nearly as toxic as League of Legends, everyone who plays the system outside that cesspit plays it exactly as everyone pines for it to be. What more can be said?
>>94424661Very little left to say Anon. Have a good Wednesday too, and best of luck on your games.
>>94421999>Lancertranny knowing what friends or fun areA hearty KEK was had!
>>94424525>nyooo Lancer is just a lil bean! Just a smol cinnamon roll! It's the perfect mecha game so lomg as you disregard everything about it and fix it!I'm going to ignore your disingenuous, wheedling essay of self-indulgent masturbationvand direct you back to >>94420343You lancershills have a knack for spending paragraphs saying fuckall of worth. I guess that's liberal arts dropouts for you.
>>94408254I feel this is more like Sci-fi vs fantasy in general. Even the most successful sci-fi RPG's like Traveller feel like a footnote compared to Fantasy games. the only exception is Shadowrun, and I don't count that as it's blending fantasy and sci-fi
>>94408958What story? I've been in a half dozen Lancer games and not a single one of them used the default setting. Typically the only thing they have are the manufacturers, but they're there and doing nothing. The only exception is HORUS which I think is legit cool.
>>94425380>The only exception is HORUS which I think is legit cool.Commietranny detected.
>>94425433my lord man you're like a broken record
>>94408254>creaky old relic.>posts mech from a trash series.ho boy, do you have a read-it too?
>>94425440It's all you deserve for belting out the same copes ad nauseum.
>>94408254> Lancer is for faggots and commies.Maybe. It's also, by far, the most popular mecha tabletop game. Pretending that it's not does you no favors.After that, it's pretty simple. Mecha is a pretty niche subgenre to begin with. There simply aren't a lot of western mecha fans.But also, battletech poisoned the well. With it's particular way of handling the way mechs are laid out in the rules, combined with the attitude that developed around it, it basically made it so that interest could never build.>>94408669Super Dimension Fortress Macross is from 1982. It is 42 god damn years old. That's where the "unseen" designs come from. Battletech itself is 40 years old.Battletech is a creaky old relic.
>>94408254Lancer is plenty popular for a niche TTRPG
>>94421158where did I do this? I said I had fun with it.
>>94408254It's a shame Mixtape of Mecha's never came out. RiP.
There are actually a decent number of high quality JP Mecha games, some of which have recently been translated. I highly recommend looking up Revuulture and Embryo Machine (NOT the board game localized by LionWing! The original TTRPG it was based on!)Anyway it takes a creative designer to get mecha right. You have to take into account:>Your mechanics are not simulating a dude hitting things, your mechanics are simulating a dude PILOTING a thing that is hitting things.>Character creation needs to solve the age old riddle of how do you handle pilot vs mech? Do you have two character sheets? Do you have a mech sheet and then your pilot is a handful of ultra-lite stats and skills? Do you treat your mech as more like an extremely complex piece of equipment than a character?>How do you capture the feel of the scale of combat? What about the "robot-y"-ness of the combatants, the ability to loose limbs and keep on trucking without worrying about pesky things like 'blood loss'etc.Games like Lancer that basically just reskin a standard fighting system with a mech-ish coat of paint and some awkward home-brew tier gimmicks on tend to fail hard and make for super unenjoyable games. Personally I think the JP TTRPG's I've looked at do it very well. I love Embryo Machine's "plotting" mechanic to simulate the difficulty of piloting the mech, or Revuulture's Armored Core style energy management.Then there's also the minor issue of "western nerds who don't 'get' mecha" when it comes to setting writing, aesthetics, etc. You know what I'm talking about, "unlike most mecha, this one's about the characters!" syndrome. This is interestingly not too much of an issue in many older Mecha RPG's, but you feel it hard in stuff like Lancer where you have this boring grey slop setting that's more about hard sci-fi political wank than mechs and the mech designs look like guys in suits, and - worst of all - not a single chick is shown wearing a highleg leotard piloting suit
>>94429675>You know what I'm talking about, "unlike most mecha, this one's about the characters!" syndromeIf you're saying that, you're just not a mecha fan. There's a little series you may have heard of called Macross that's as much about the melodrama as the mecha; and frankly, that's not even atypical. Even 08th MS Team is as much about Shiro and Aina's star-crossed-love story as it is the grittier mech ops.
>>94429713>If you're saying that, you're just not a mecha fanIf you're saying it, you just don't understand fiction or narrative at all.Mechs are (excepting cases where they're literally sentient and talk and are characters like the Brave series) plot devices. There is no way NOT to be about the characters if you have any kind of plot at all and it's not just 30 minutes of fighting.It's like saying "unlike most swords and sorcerery epics, this one is about the characters [and not literally the swords]"
>>94429713I think that's exactly what he's saying. That retards think they're unique for making a mecha story that's focused on the characters/pilots, when that's basically every mecha out there.
>>94429804>>94429728I'm agreeing and adding on. If Western mecha devs are saying shit like that, their interest in mecha is superficial at best.
>>94429842Oh yeah sorry, I was just going off but I got what you mean.Another favorite is "I only watch DEEP real robot shows with something to say about SOCIETY AND TECHNOLOGY like the works of Mamoru Oshi, not those dumb TOY COMMERCIALS [smug]". Which barring that last bit, pretty sure the Lancer writers actually said (saying they had barely watched any mecha anime but liked Ghost in the Shell, lmao).Man I like the two Patlabor movies but I swear it's becoming a red flag for a western fan to cite Oshi as their favorite in the genre.
>>94417520>>94424525>Lancer actually has attractive peopleOkay, you guys are going to have to post what the fuck you're talking about right now, because not once have I ever seen a piece of official art that was even remotely eye pleasing. Every single piece of pilot art I've seen has been boring at most and hideous at worst.And I mean official, canonical art. Stuff included in the official book or official expansions. I don't care about tenuously official fan art or stuff the artists have drawn on the side on tumblr that's not technically official. Post and I'll rate on a 1 out of 10 scale.I'm expecting you'll post some aaa western game tier "attractive woman" who has a man jaw, a thick waist, awful hair, and "stacked" means more than a B cup, and then tell me I need to touch grass and go look at real women when I point out that's not hot.Then again I think Abaddon's art in general - whether he's drawing people or monsters - is fucking UGLY as sin and very technically subpar (can the dude close a line to save his life?), so I think people who think any part of the game looks "cool" have zero taste.
>>94429713>>94429804>>94429842https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxIqCRsxYUAGen:Lock, Rooster Teeth's mecha show, did exactly that, and it sucked dick. It's a classic example of "genre piece written by people who hate the genre."
>>94430037Also, for the sake of full disclosure I will say in advance that I will not just be rating your pics based on whether the woman has decent hip to waist measurements, but general aesthetics and whether the art and character design isn't ugly as a whole. So send me a girl who's a 6/10 with a decent ass but she has shitty hair and a fashion disaster of an outfit and Abby's art problems are particularly noticeable, and I will dock points accordingly.Pic related is also the beauty standard I will be judging based on. Now show me your hottest Lancer bitches.
>>94429713>accidentally reinforces the other anon's point with examples of exactly what they're referring toPeak midwit post, typical of a lancerfag
>>94430118Reminder that the Lancer devs specifically bragged about not consuming mecha media so they could "bring fresh ideas and much-needed originality into the genre"
>>94429713Wrong, nigger. 08th MS Team is about how Norris Packard is Zeon's top shooter since Ramba Ral and the realest one to ever live.
>>94430655100% true.
>>94430655It's also a PSA against drunk driving
>>94420255AC games never really gave you a good sense of scale
>>94420255>>94431155The earlier ones didn't but AC6 absolutely goes out if its way. There's TONS of little scales details in AC6 if you stop to actually observe the environment. Like you can literally just stop and look around in random areas and notice little human sized warehouses with their own ladders and doors lying around, and yeah you can stomp 'em and blow em up.Like, here's a screencap of a random ass stage, you can see tons of doors, trucks, human utilities, even a tiny ass little stairway rampart for human use. There's tons of this shit all over the game. If you didn't stop to look and take in the details of the environment and then complained about no scale then it's on you.
>>94431223Another one. Not gonna bother outlining this obvious.Honestly I might go so far to say that AC6 might be the best mecha vidya ever in terms of scale. It does an insanely good job of creating a Blame!-esque ultra vast megastructure to act as a playground for the mechs with room to move while also having enough subtle details to make it feel lived in at a human scale.
>>94429675>Personally I think the JP TTRPG's I've looked at do it very well.I still maintain that Princess Wing is more of a mech game than Lancer despite being a magical girl game (mecha musume, to be specific). In every category its better>better customization right out the gate>different parts and frame ("dress code") selections that are actually meaningful >the momentum and collision system makes you feel far more like an armored destruction machine (forma de cute girl) than Lancer>despite being rules lite, the daily life (i.e. the "pilot" half of the game) actually feeds directly into the conflict half of the game>synergizing with the rest of your squad is built into the game, which isn't necessarily a mecha staple but is based nonetheless It's honestly shameful how painfully unmecha Lancer is once you play anything else in remotely the same wheelhouse. Even just Infinty's TAG Deathmatch subgame blows it out of the water
>>94431238>Not gonna bother outlining this obviousI can't tell what you're referring to. Maybe if it was slathered in garish yellow paint....
>>94431238"Ac6 has no scale"Only mecha vidya I can think of that does it as well is the first Zone of The Enders game letting you do bonus damage for grappling enemy mechs into buildings, but that all but vanishes from the second game unfortunately.It's kind of the nature of mecha action vidya that you have to create environments big enough for the mechs to move around in, but as long as you have human scale buildings and dwellings mixed in with those open areas it's fine.
>>94431244Mahou shoujo is literally mecha and always has been.
>>94431244>Even just Infinty's TAG Deathmatch subgame blows it out of the waterInfinity is one of my favorite comparison points for Lancer in terms of how the game design in Infinity blows Lancer out of the water.Lancer wants to be tacticool and shit so it has the retarded overwatch system stapled on top as a bad gimmick. Meanwhile Infinity's reaction system is built into the very skeleton of the game and connected to literally everything else including the basic action economy.It also does a MUCH better job of being simple to pick up and play but autistic to master.
>>94431259Reminder to watch Magic Knight Rayearth.
>>94431259Both are (superior takes on) superheroes and always have been*
>>94431279TBF Kamen Rider and related Tokusatsu has plenty of great stuff for suited super heroes too so I wouldn't say giant robots and magic girls corner the market on "capeshit but not shit".
>>94431288Never said they cornered the market, just that they're two sides of the same coin.
>>94431254The mechassault games had good scale, but they were also smaller mechs in general, such that buildings could be used as cover (and leveled during battle). God I miss those games.
>>94414400I love the part in 4e where you can only take a class 3 levels to a max of 12 levels alongside your starting level of 0. I love the part in 4e where I roll d6's to add or subtract from my rolls instead of memorizing a thousand buffs marks and bonuses. I love where 4e changes what number and variety of weapons I can equip based on what armor I'm wearing. Oh I really loved where 4e has a stat that changes how many magic items I can equip, or how 4e has only 4 stats and how every feat tree has exactly 3 ranks of bonuses.Seriously this is retarded, and I'm someone who generally likes 4e and wouldn't mind playing more of it. The major things lancer took from 4e were the concept of some powers only being usable once within a certain narrative timeframe, and the general idea of actually trying to balance a game unlike whatever 3.5 and 5e call "balance". It clearly has 4e's DNA but it's absolutely not the same game anymore and anyone who says it is is lying, or retarded.
>>94431267Lancer system is not even original. I apes Shadow of the Demon Lord
>>94431356>"it's 4e with gimmicky bottom of the barrel shit bolted onto it">"OH YEAH, WELL WHERE IS [gimmicky bottom of the barrel shit] IN 4E?! I DIDN'T THINK SO!!"
>>94430660That guy was so unbelievably based.
>>94431267Infinity is a game from people that actually fans of Patlabor and GITS, not just saying they are for nerd cred like the Lancer devs.
>>94430653>"We went out of way not to consume content about this IP/genre so as to provide new perspective on the ideas"
The children yearn for Titanfall 3.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2gGOQ3Ifrg
>>94430655Can't disagree. Norris Packard was a real one.
>>94433045You'll get a new big booty bitch for Apex and you'll like it.
>>94430655I like it when the most dangerous ace is a portly looking old guy.
>>94431259>transforming into a mecha
>>94433045https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHasOWMv4P8
>>94411286>>94411287>>94411294Yeah but Harmony Gold
>>94424627>>94424661>>94424694It's still a failure of game and system. Hard fucking pass
>>94433664Did you forget that stealth action game in the Front Mission universe?
>>94408254Mecha sysyems only work with mecha settings, inherently limiting them.
>>94414400I really fail to see any specific similarities beyond some abilites "recharging" depending on a roll of the dice.
>>94431356It's a shadow of the demon lord hack but SOTDL itself is written by Schwab who was literally a 4th edition D&D designer so you can't really fault people for noticing the game's DNA
>>94434320Yes and I'd like to not be reminded, thank you very much.
>>94424525>white girls with frankly enormous breasts (bigger than any DnD freak would dare to draw)Care to share examples?
>>94417520>>94424525>>94430037>>94430247I'm still fucking waiting by the way. Where are these supposed Lancer hotties? Show me what you're referring to or I'm chalking this up to another lie from the games faggot fanbase.
>>94435728Real, I actually like LANCER, but the anon talking about big bazonga white girls is talking out of his ass I'm pretty sure. I don't hate Abbadon's work, but the only girl I'd call genuinely hot in the book is this girl in the SSC lore splash page which is very unlikely to be their work. The fur lined embroidered mantle over the ALSO embroidered bodysuit is /fa/ as fuck.
>>94436175>the anon talking about big bazonga white girls is talking out of his assY'don't say?I have decided I will make a better mecha game. with sexy girls. See you in 2025....
>>94436732I like giving retards the benefit of the doubt as a hobby. I didn't know if there was another anime plant in there I missed.
>>94436175Is this from an official book? Surprised to see they dragged in someone with anime influence, since it's totally inconsistent with the art style of the rest of the book..Putting that aside for a moment: surprisingly alright. I wouldn't call it "hot", or exceptional but it's alright. Costume is decent Her expression/mouth is drawn really weird though. It looks like she's half puckering her lips or sucking in her cheek. It's really odd. I also don't like the way the hair is drawn, that huge bang on the other side extending halfway out from her face makes it look like half her face should be covered from the front. I guess it's trying to make it look like the hair is blown but it looks odd.Not terrible though, I give this a 7/10. Whoever drew this had a soul and you could do something with this design.>>94436732I've literally been doing that for almost 2 years. Hooked up with a JP artist and been programming a mecha beat em up based on an old Tokyo Nova campaign I was in. Pic related.
>>94410985>bikini>mechs>You are now imagining mechs running around in bikini armor.
>>94436986And?
>>94414584Man I forgot about these and almost made a whole fresh mecha ruleset for Genesys. Thanks, ironically.
>>94435728>Bodacious busty Aryan babe mecha pilots in bikinis?>from western artists?>in CURRENT YEAR?>localized entirely in Lancer?>Lancershills: Yes!>may I see it?>Lancershills: .....no.It's like this every fucking time
>>94436919The art is from page 398 of the core rule book. The guy who posted that picture seems to have cropped out the other two characters, a blond haired blue eyed guy and what I think is suppose to be a girl though I'm not certain. In the physical book the picture is all on one page but in my pdf it's split between 2 pages which is very odd. Though it does mean that the maybe girl is no longer in the picture so it's just the two attractive people so not really a loss.
>>94437317>spends a paragraph describing a picture and how it appears in two separate formats instead of just fucking posting the picture You realize you're not on reddit at the moment, right? You can post pictures here.
>>94430653This bit always bugged me. I like that Battletech and Infinity have very blatant references and design cues taken from anime which is a green flag as those properties are something I'd like to emulate on the table. Lancer being made by tertiaries is a bit of a headscratcher.
>>94435728A man has a life outside of this thread Anon. Personally I like page 159 of the handbook for the skintight cyber suit, page 266 has a pretty cute black chick despite the side shave with some big tits, 368 might not be up to your standards but those are some nice legs and I do like me some flatties, 398 and 399 has some pretty chicks from SSC, wouldn't count 404 from Horus but some freaks can be up to them, from the KTB we do have 51, page 131 for a pretty alright black chick who's stacked, white dude at 135, 139 is more so cute but I do dig mechanic tomboys, Dustgrave does have magenta red at page 10, Talon is kinda cute at 11, page 79 for skintight belly button window white girl with big rocket mech, Long Rim has 8 and I am a sucker for 33 too, Mountains Remorse is sadly uggly as fuck, battlegroup has a pretty cute black chick there at the front cover alongside 79. Surprisingly don't have wallflower right now, swore I did but guess I'll have to go to the trove to check later.I don't get your vitriol dude. Are there uggos? Yeah, no doubt, but Lancer does have pretty and some pretty nice looking bitches. Black bitch from the White Witch alone is more sexualized than half the black girls in tabletop even if she's smaller in size comparatively but strip her even a little and she's literally /v/ blackgirl thread material. Most of the actual girls here, short of clearly cranky old bitches, MSMC mercs (lowest of lowlifes) or shit like the Maori hunters, are pretty cute or nice looking. Is it anime face pretty with your pics aesthetics? No, more western full body and in suits, but still pretty good.
>>94437511>still no picskek
>>94437511>A man has a life outside of this thread AnonBro, I'm not reading all that. If you can cite these images and page number while posting on 4chan than you can hit prt sc and just screenshot the bitches to prove what you're talking about.Literally pics or it didn't happen, I'm not downloading the book or checking to see if the file link from when I played it with friends is still up. If you're going to tell us "NOOOO THE GAME TOTALLY HAS HOTTIES" then you're going to have to prove it.
>>94435728>>94437511Got Wallflower, page 33 has a cutie, I like the depressed NHP scientist on page 84, 88 also has a cute girl, not a lot but pretty ok.>>94437587>>94437599Ok? I'm not going to post pictures, I posted proof, I don't have to do more than that and never had to. You get what you get and I don't really care if you're so lazy you can post vitriol but not fact check me, that just kind of makes it funny Anon.
>>94437610You've only posted proof that there aren't any hot bitches in lancer by refusing to give even one example
>>94437511Why the fuck are you citing page numbers like we're in some ancient fucking text board?I'm not even sure I want to bother going through the rest of your citations since you led with a woman whose features are almost entirely obscured while she's hidden in the background. This is legitimately just a normal looking woman wearing a suit.
>>94437620is this for real?jesus.
>>94437613Nah. If you want cute or hot bitches, go get em, I gave you the page numbers and book names that I gave an ass to give. You do know how to use the trove right? >>94437620What you expect me to actually just fill out like 12+ captchas to then selectively also crop pics? Dudes think every girl in this series is some xhe/xher hamplanet so I am putting minimal effort in.
>>94437626Yeah, fuck off. I'm not doing this. The woman in this one is so tiny I had to zoom in. I didn't even notice her at first glance compared to the guy on the shoulder. I'm not going to say this woman is some kind of horrifically ugly troll, but if these are the Lancer hotties you put front and center out the gate, I don't really have much faith in this.
>>94437620>>94437637So this is a 10/10 in Lancer
>>94437637Once again, ok. You do whatever you wanna do with your time Anon, I respect mine enough to not really try to order by attractiveness on some spreadsheet and instead, yknow, go by the order I found them on with the books like I wrote it. Later ones are cuter frankly, like wallflower, but I'd smash personally. If you wanna continue or you wanna not try, that's fine by me in either way.
>>94437626Are you retarded or new? They aren’t going to make you fill out 12+ captchas if you make multiple posts. How often do you think the system makes you verify?
>>94437652I've been here for years, short of a lucky verification not required, I basically have to do it every single time Anon. I don't know if I'm chronically unlucky but its been my experience for 10+ years
>>94437511I decided to go through the entire core book out of curiosity.You basically mentioned every single woman in the book, I only counted about five you left out. Most of which were background characters with barely any features drawn on them.You set the bar too low.>>94437637Do stop, I can assure you that you would be wasting time.
>>94437610>Ok? I'm not going to post picturesWhy? Literally just hit prt sc. You are on an IMAGE BOARD.
>>94437648NTA, but wtf, anon. Instead of going to the effort of listing a dozen pages, you could have sent two pics. It would have taken a tenth of your precious time and would have been ten times as convincing. I had no stakes or interest in this and I still now think you have been talking out of your ass.>>94437511And you still had the inclination to search for the stupid reaction image, but not something pertaining to the thread? Yeah, I call bullshit.
>>94437511Went through all the core book citations. The only one that really qualifies is 398 which was already posted here >>94436175KTB isn't really much better. >139 is more so cute but I do dig mechanic tomboysI had to double check I was on the right page because pic related just looks like a dude.And I'm not planning on downloading more books to check the remaining few when you're already at such a low ratio when explicitly asked for hot characters.
>>94437652cut him some slack, he's only learned about 4chan four days ago.
>>94437637Oh hey thanks for grabbing this so I could rate.I give her a 3/10Ugly fucking buzz-cut.Doughy body and faceUUUOOOOH MUSCLE MOMMY SAFE HORNYShe's not a misshapen freak like some of the weird cyborgs Abby has drawn, but I unironically wouldn't want to associate with a woman who looks like that in real life, zero femininity and a body not trained for anything related to being a woman. Probably has an unpleasant personality.What else you got?
>>94437656>I don't know if I'm chronically unlucky but its been my experience for 10+ yearssure, you must have been extremely unlucky to have to type captcha in years before it was introduced on 4chan
Hottest Lancer woman I was able to find. Slim pickings to be sure.
>>94437676>>94437674Pressing right key on pdfs to find all of these took me like, 4 minutes. Finding all the pages for the girls, cropping them adequately, putting the pics on a temp folder, then posting them would have taken more time. My react pict was right there, sub 5 seconds.>>94437678I dunno about you but I've seen women like that irl, they're pretty nice looking. Chick with some mass, nice tits, no bra straps, implication of a wrap around one and a big fucking gun sounds like fun to me.>>94437691Anon, wasn't captcha in like 2010? Its 2024, I didn't say 15+.
>>944376785/10She looks like the kind of "token butch muscle girl" you'd see in a beat em up added to appease safe horny fags.The expression and art style is almost decent for that kind of character but she's still almost a man and you could very easily mistake her as such. I could totally buy this being an androgynous muscle boy with a slightly soft face. Hell take away the slight chest bulge and there's basically nothing feminine about her body.Tomboys platonically are not supposed to be unfeminine. They're actually ULTRA feminine, they are girls who are too dorky and innocent to socially be girls but have a raw and primal cuteness and femininity to them.
>>94437701> cropping them adequatelyBro what are you talking about it literally takes 3 seconds to crop a screencap, just save it to your pictures folder. And you obviously have the book open and on hand and plenty of time since you have the page numbers and are sitting around arguing here.>>944376994/10Almost works for some edgy indie graphic novel style, but then I noticed the painted on abs. The cutesie camisole bra almost looks like it's a parody so no points ofr that. The face is maybe okay for this style but not anything particularly charming or that I'd really wanna fuck.
>>94429675>>94431244lmao so you're saying the best alternatives to Lancer are pedo-bait Loli jap shit or some half assed barely translated wargame tacked on some shitty attempt at narrative rp like only the japanese can do. And for all the criticisms Lancer designs get it's like y'all don't have eyes when it comes to basically any other mech game, when there's any visuals at all.Yep that's anons for you, yelling at invisible trannies but gooning over Loli and pretending to wear cute princess dresses. Do you actually play this princess shit game with your adult male friends anon ? And you call your fat friend Mike his character's name, Princess Strawberry, when you're roleplaying ? >>94431267>akshually this wargame has way better mechanics than this ttrpg !!! >let's compare the ttrpg to the full on wargame/boardgame with fucking 10 decks of cards and measuring tools to even be playableare you fucking retarded when you compare a fucking tactical boardgame to a ttrpg ? you morons don't even know what you want out of a game
>>94437704>I could totally buy this being an androgynous muscle boy with a slightly soft face. Pretty much what I assumed until I was 100% sure I didn't mess up on the page number. >>94437701It's not like she's ugly, but a game where that pic is pulled out for a list of the game's hottest characters simply does not have hot characters.
>>94437701>Pressing right key on pdfs to find all of these took me like, 4 minutes.All you've done is made it that much more troublesome for others to disprove your claims. Which they did anyway. I don't know why you would keep insisting on doing shit in such a roundabout way, except to conceal that your arguments are weak. So that's what I will assume.Sorry for your lack of self-awareness, maybe someday you will get it.
>>94437718>lmao so you're saying the best alternatives to Lancer Yes, they're really good games. Why are you playing a mecha game if you hate Japanese content?>pedo-bait Loli japI didn't say anything about loli, but now that you've signaled against moe you will inevitably be busted for sex crimes one day. The clock is ticking.>re you fucking retarded when you compare a fucking tactical boardgame to a ttrpgLancer is basically a wargame in disguise anyway with the ultra lite out of combat mechanics. This has been a long standing complaint with the game pretty sure.
>>94437718>game with your adult male friends anon ? And you call your fat friend Mike his character's name, Princess Strawberry, when you're roleplaying ?I play most of my JP TTRPG's in text by the way, it's fun to write female characters that way.That being said, one of the manliest and worldiest dudes I know has gleeflly ran Nechronica in person around a table with voice, and found it a blast. So maybe skill issue bro.
>>94437717Talking and typing is easy and I'm here to talk, appropriately cropping them is harder, takes saving, properly checking the right folder, making a seperate one because I am autistic and don't mix my reacts and my soon to be deleteds, so instead of just going>page 32, type that in, page 47, dito, page 87, so onit'd be>go to page 32>get crop program open>select framing properly>go to save>go to right folder>confirm>go to page 47Its literally more effort than its worth since either people check it or they don't. Those who would would always do it, those who don't care about it, just don't.>>94437731Oh yeah that's fine if you don't find her nice. I just posted ones I did find pretty alright by my standards, big girl with fairly big melons and a nice gun qualify for me.>>94437718Don't be cringe Anon. You're acting cringe as fuck.>>94437732Why would I care about disproving anything? If anyone wishes to check what I've posted, they can do so Anon, if they don't wanna bother, they don't. I just posted chicks I consider to be pretty alright by my own standards.
>>94437745>appropriately cropping them is harderBROCLICK ONCEDRAG AND RELEASEPRESS THE CROP BUTTONWHAT APPROPRIATE JUST MAKE SURE THE CHARACTER IS IN FRAME I DON'T NEED A FUCKING FRAMED COMPOSITION>get crop program openRIGHT CLICK WINDOWS BUTTONtype "PAINT"OPEN
>>94437733 I like the good kind of japanese content anon, not the degenerate stuff that forces you to play or consume their creators weird fetishes. Except Tomino's >Lancer is basically a wargame in disguise anyway with the ultra lite out of combat mechanics. Lancer is even lighter than 4e, you're comparing an actual wargame to what retards think is one. The appeal is that it still is a ttrpg, even if there's too much text for the average dumbass on here
>>94437753Literally more effort versus typing fast. Did you somehow not expect autistic people when you entered the mecha thread Anonymous.
>>94430037>I'm expecting you'll post some aaa western game tier "attractive woman" who has a man jaw, a thick waist, awful hair, and "stacked" means more than a B cupThis prediction was really spot on. >>94437678
>>94437745>>94437745>Don't be cringe Anon. You're acting cringe as fuck.You're literally in a very long debate about if there are some big titted attractive women in your gay tranny fueled ttrpg. There aren't any, stop trying to give jerk off material to justify yourself to the losers on here like you're also one of the cool retarded kids, you're being very weird about all this
>>94437769Yeah, even I am calling you cringe when you're sperging about >the best alternatives to Lancer are pedo-bait Loli jap shit or some half assed barely translated wargame tacked on some shitty attempt at narrative rp like only the japanese can do>it's like y'all don't have eyes when it comes to basically any other mech game>yelling at invisible trannies but gooning over Loli and pretending to wear cute princess dresses. Do you actually play this princess shitLike man, the arguing autist posting western pilot bitches is telling you're cringe as fuck buddy. Get a grip.
>>94437754>I like the good kind of japanese content anon, not the degenerate stuff that forces you to play or consume their creators weird fetishes.Then you'll like Embryo Machine, it's a straight forward fantasy mecha setting in the vein of Xenogears / Panzer World Galient where the mechs are lost technology excavated from a lost age. There's no weird fetishes. The title is literally just referring to some Cyber Newtype shit that you don't need to play.>even if there's too much text for the average dumbass on hereMan remember when somebody worked out that without the comp/con automation a mid-level character sheet would come out to like 9 pages ala dark heresy?
>>94437754>Lancer is even lighter than 4e, you're comparing an actual wargame to what retards think is one. The appeal is that it still is a ttrpg, even if there's too much text for the average dumbass on hereI've played both Lancer and Infinity and the funny thing is Infinity was easier to pick up and play and learn, while Lancer felt far more autistic, fiddly, and unfun to learn.
>>94437778You're the last person I'm taking advice from out of this whole thread anon I swear to God
>>94437780I checked embryo machine out already, I don't have a problem with the setting, I'm content with Lancer lore, mechanics and designs and I'm 100% sure my pea brained players are gonna be snoozing in the middle of me explaining how combat works
>>94437808I like me loli bitches and western meaty mechanic women with big guns, I may be too lazy to screencap Lancer girls rather than post their fucking page numbers like a proper autist but I'm still better than your sperging ass hating on others calling them faeries pretending to be women online. That you're getting berated by me means you've fucked up or are fucking up tremendously. Get a grip.
>>94437760Autism is writing up 3 paragraphs of response to a simple question and spending 20 minutes going through your folder to find the perfect basedjak.You are not autistic of a simple screencap is too much effort for you.>>94437815>I checked embryo machine out alreadyInteresting, wonder why he started screaming about pedoshit then. It's almost like...no, you guys don't think anon would actually lie about reading a game just so he can defend his crap game to shill? lmao.>I'm content with Lancer loreYou're literally gay.>I'm 100% sure my pea brained players are gonna be snoozing in the middle of me explaining how combat works"Noooo the game is so lite and simple and easy!""Huh, why are my players falling asleep..."lmao.
>>94437838>Noooo the game is so lite and simple and easy!""Huh, why are my players falling asleep..."Seems like you're pea brained too, I'm defending Lancer and saying they'd be sleeping at the table over Machine Embryo's combat. >Interesting, wonder why he started screaming about pedoshit then. IOver princess wing, Embryo Machine was the " wargame " part of my rant. Reading skills again at rock bottom, twice in the same post too you're a champion > You're literally gayAnd that's the part of my rant when I mention anons crying at invisible gays and trannies, we've come full circle retard
>>94437838>Autism is writing up 3 paragraphs of response to a simple question and spending 20 minutes going through your folder to find the perfect basedjak.Anon please, only retards take 20 minutes to select a good react pic. I mean its fitting you say fuckers from the party are retards but don't lump me in with those mongrels, that's just plain rude.
>>94437857> Embryo Machine was the " wargame "Embryo Machine isn't a wargame dumbass, you're thinking of the board game if you aren't bullshitting entirely.The TTRPG has out of combat mechanics for pilots, and the combat system is fairly straight forward. It's just the right balance of clever and unique while not being over-complicated, you can get the gist of it with a casual skim.Hell, it's literally a game that has a time limit on taking turns due to the plotting mechanic. It's not autistic.>And that's the part of my rant when I mention anons crying at invisible gays and trannies, we've come full circle retardI didn't have much to say about trannies or gays until you came into this thread.You are 100% literally gay.
>>94437857 >>94437874As a reminder >>94429675>Embryo Machine (NOT the board game localized by LionWing! The original TTRPG it was based on!)>NOT the board game>The original TTRPG>TTRPG
>>94437864How long does it take a retard to post screenshots of artwork that they're praising?
>>94437884Too long versus text.
>>94437889About 10 minutes ago I literally screencapped a random youtube thumbnail I thought was funny, cropped it, and pasted it at a friend and it took like 10 seconds. It was so fast I did it practically reflexively. Typing this post took longer.
>>94437889That's right. We'll never know how long it'll take a retard to post screenshots, because you still haven't managed it.
>>94437874>>94437879Also I want to emphasize that the ttrpg and the board game are nothing alike system wise. There are some loose similarities with the latter being inspired by the former, but the board game is really weird and autistic with its card based battle and parts system, a lot more complicated and weird compared to the ttrpg.
>>94437891Page found in like 4, texted typed in 3, no 1 minute between posts.>>94437893Eh, other guy said it in 10 so I believe him.
>>94437874>>94437879>>94437895Actually wait, I'm not sure the board game even explained the setting, so if if the dude is familliar with the setting - which means reading the ttrpg book - how the HELL did he think it's a wargame?Think this fucker is lying. Typical for a Lancer shill.
>>94437902Actually no wait, my mistake, the board game kickstarter actually does give a rough outline of the setting.Still probably bullshitting or retarded though.
>>94437874Granted the plotting mechanic is cool as fuck. But I personally don't care much about the rest (ammo, hit location, economy to maintain, repair and outfit your Mecha...) even if admittedly it does feel more Mecha than Lancer. It's also a lot more noise around the explosions and teleportations and super robot shit I want in my games
>>94437898>other guy said it in 10Yeah, 10 seconds for a normal person. Now what's your excuse retard? Maybe it's because some of the pages you posted here >>94437511 don't even have artwork at all?
>>94437902 Dumbass I said it's way more wargamey than Lancer. I called it an half ass wargame before, not an actual one.
>>94437511>have all this time to type up a cope essay and find a reaction image>still no picsYou discord troons aint sending your best.
>>94437921>But I personally don't care much about the rest (ammo, hit location, economy to maintain, repair and outfit your Mecha...)I think most of it is fairly straight forward, and some of it is like, basic shit you'd want for a TTRPG with proper character advancement and out of combat stuff.>It's also a lot more noise around the explosions and teleportations and super robot shit I want in my gamesExplosions and terrain are pretty important in the game (though it's still probably less fiddly than setting up a properly balanced fight in Lancer's hex grid), but there's no teleportation or "super robot" shit in the game. I really hate the "real robot vs super robot" shit as it's basically made up marketing buzzword that has zero meaning, but Embryo Machine is as "real robot" as you come. The scale is closer to something like VOTOMS and the highest level of tech you get at like end-game s rank legendary equipment is like, cloaking units, a flight unit, a hacking wire...you aren't doing super finishing moves in this game.
>>94437927>I said it's way more wargamey than Lancer"Wargamey" only shows up in this post you made just now.If we go back to >>94437718 the exact phrasing is>some half assed barely translated wargameNow are you too stupid to express yourself correctly, or are you just trying to lie in an easily disprovable way?
>>94437922Oh for fucks sake you little bitch. Fine, you get a cap of me repeating what someone else fucking posted over up top. You didn't even download the right fucking thing.
>>94437927>Explicitly calls it a wargame in the previous post and original one (it was not "half assed wargame" it was half assed barely translated wargame" implying it was 100% a wargame)>gets pointed out it's not a wargame, and not one at all>errrmmm uhhmmm uhhhh I meant it was sorta only half a wargame!lmaoIf you actually read the book you'd see that's wrong too.Embryo Machine is way less autistic than Lancer and less of a wargame than Lancer. The combat system is simpler, the out of combat and adventure mechanics have more going on. etc. Lancer is 100% more of a wargame, but you'd know that if you actually read the game and didn't just come to shill Lancer. Go back to your discord server fag, you're not gonna get any sales here by shitting on games that are actually good.
>>94437511>>944379422 hours and 25 minutes for a screenshot, nicely done.
>>94437944so yeah half assed wargame is literally written right there keep seething retard
>>94437968my bad that was directed at you >>94437938
>>94437972Yep, I agree. Half-assed wargame was what was originally written, and the retard who wrote it should keep seething.
>>94437952Ok but how did you download the wrong thing anon the trove exists. Did you just pirate some whack ass google search shit or something, that looks like beta files without the right formatting.
>>94437976did you just " yeah you're the idiot but what am I " ? jeez
>>94437620>vaguely female silhouette in a generic techsuit>>94437637>brown boymoding muttoid with a zoomer broccoli cut>could still be a dude, honestly >>94437678>le musclemommy hamplanet>>94437684>the best of the bunch, could maybe pass for a one-star trashgirl in a very budget gacha >>94437699>[loud, aggressive vomiting]Whoa...The aryan bodaciousness is washing over me...Conclusion: even Concord has better "girls" than Lancer
>>94437968Anon are you ESL or something? You type very poorly, often in a way that confuses what insult your slinging in which direction.For example, when you say "half assed wargame is written right there" it's unclear if you're sayingA) "see, by your own green text, I called it a half assed wargame. So I wasn't lying and you're dumb."or if you're attempting the zinger ofB) "see? You said it's simpler and more straight forward than Lancer, therefore it's a half-assed (shitty, not properly designed) wargame"I'm going to charitably assume the former because the latter makes you sound like a pink-faced crying 'jak desperately trying to find some mental gymnastics to argue that the game that has more adventure and out-of-combat mechanics is "more of a wargame" than the game which infamously fails at those aspects even according to fans.In any case, let me address this and attempt to explain to you why the former doesn't work:When you say "half assed barely translated wargame" it implies that you're saying the game is itself half-assed (IE low in quality), but otherwise still a wargame through and through, rather than saying that it's a TTRPG that's heavily influenced by wargaming and closer to it on the spectrum "IE "half wargame".Now, I personally think you're just desperately lying to cover up the fact that you didn't read my post properly and didn't realize that the board game is an entirely separate and different system from the original TTRPG, but just in case you're very bad with English, hope this helps!
>>94438009>Anon are you ESL or somethingYeah I am
>>94437995>the best of the bunch, could maybe pass for a one-star trashgirl in a very budget gachaSorry bro that's not from Lancer. I was just posting random girls from my folder while critiquing the designs.
>>94438018OhlolYou probably shouldn't take part in these arguments then. You're calling people retards for misreading your posts when your posts are written in a way that often leads to easy confusion of what you're saying.
>>94437991>how did you download the wrong thing All the Lancer books I have I downloaded a long while ago, and I'm not about to cross-reference them all so that I can check a dozen pieces of ugly artwork.Especially since I was correct that posting a page with no art to insinuate you were a liar might actually get you to stop bitching about how much work it would be to post a screenshot, and actually post a screenshot.
>>94438032UURRRRGHIT'S SO FUCKING UGLY
>>94438009And no yeah that was column a), 'cause I'm saying it's trying to both be almost a wargame due to the depths of its mechanics and a complete rpg, which is a lot. Now I'm sure I'm wrong 'cause I never played a second of it and never intend to but I felt like dumping on Princess Wing only was unfair to the pedo who shilled for it earlier (can't remember if it was you or not)
>>94437822>I'm too lazy!>I have a life!>I have good taste, honest!>proceeds to obsessibely post in this thread whilst citing the ugliest bitches you've ever seen across multiple booklets Holy FUCK lancertroons are bad at this.
>>94438032Didn't actually stop me I bitched even in the filename and it still sucks ass to do.
>>94438031I don't really owe you or anyone else on this board jack shit desu, so I'm gonna keep calling shills of niche barely played game retards. But thanks for your linguistic insights
>>94438022>Sorry bro that's not from LancerWell that explains why I actually liked the robot's design too. I guess >>94436175 remains the only actually decent art of not just a female, but the only remotely aesthetically pleasing ANYTHING associated with Lancer at all. I wish that artist the best and may they find more work with actually good TRPGs in the future.
>>94438056>'cause I'm saying it's trying to both be almost a wargame due to the depths of its mechanics and a complete rpgStill sounds like a massive stretch. I have no idea how any sane, non retarded person could read EM's battle mechanics and think it's more complicated or more of a wargame than Lancer. It's not, at all.But then again...>but I felt like dumping on Princess Wing only was unfair...you've literally admitted just now that you shit on the game not because you have any real complaints about it, but because you basically wanted to shit on any other game that's not Lancer.That definitely doesn't make you look like a disingenuous, lying cunt and shill.** [PSSST, I KNOW YOU'RE ESL BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL "sarcasm". HOPE THAT HELPS]
>>94438065Don't worry. You're not going to convince anyone to play Lancer (especially with the raging cunt, anti anime attitude you came in with on an anime image board filled with weebs), but I've already convinced multiple people to make character sheets in EM. So I'm glad to give people a great option to play a genuinely great game with their friends. My shilling is working, yours is not. (If you want a tip on how to do it better, try NOT being a douchebag who gets even the people who like the game calling you cringe)
Ok so what's the actual ttrpg recommendation list then, because aside from about 200 posts of Lancer and Princess Wing, it doesn't look like there's a lot of mentioned alternative systems. Like sure we can fight endlessly but we're already on page 5 and way past 300 posts, shouldn't we at least compile like 3 alts for whoever reads all this shit so they get ideas of what to try.
>>94438118lmao " I've already convinced multiple people "I don't need to shill fucking Lancer it's gay fueled rpg, who would play that on fucking 4chan. People are already playing it unlike EM.But I've read more about EM while arguing with you sweaty retards and it actually sounds like a fun game. One I'm never gonna play with my current players unfortunately
>>94438127>Mekton Zeta>Heavy Gear>Mechasys (Genesys mecha splat, Genesys vehicle rules are killer)>Embryo Machine (TTRPG)>Revulture (note this is a 1 on 1 game intended for 1 player and gm)>Princess Wing (for mecha musume)JP TTRPG's that are not translated but are currently being worked on:>Metallic Guardian>Bahamut Rising>Flame GearHonorable mention to Battletech. Wargame but it's a good one.
>>94438137Pretty cool, thanks Anon.
>>94438134>I don't need to shill fucking LancerThat's what you came here to do though. It's really blindingly obvious when you jump in to shit on games you've never played while defending Lancer. The discord and even the dev are known for massive shilling operations, so not surprising (attempting to even, quote, "ally other fanbases" lmao)>People are already playing it unlike EMI know a dude who's already run like 4 scenarios of it. Besides, only a shill like you would really care about whether a game is niche or not. As long as you can play a game with friends, it doesn't matter if it's unknown.
>>94438144You're welcome, but while I'm at it I might as well throw in Tokyo Nova. It's a cyberpunk game, but it has vehicle rules with mechs. The vehicles are simpler, being more like customizable pieces of equipment, but the card and combo based battle system I personally find works REALLY well for mech combat and captures the feeling really well.
>loli>mecha>bikinisYou are now imagining bikini mecha pilots wearing lolis...
>>94437718>the best alternatives to Lancer are pedo-bait Loli jap shitYou have been successfully gatekept, darlin. ;^)
>>94438150>That's what you came here to do though. It's really blindingly obvious when you jump in to shit on games you've never played while defending Lancer. The discord and even the dev are known for massive shilling operations, so not surprising (attempting to even, quote, "ally other fanbases" lmao)Is he actually? Because realistically speaking PILOTNET as a whole is such a fucking cesspit that would hate the shit out of this place that I don't think they'd do any shill operating on /tg/ of all places. If he was here to recruit he'd be some rogue ass agent of a braindead org posting dabbing Goblins with trans flags, which while mildly plausible given PILOTNET brain damage levels, they don't tend to be so abrasive towards everyone if they want them to come in to their discord shit. Moderation heavy and political to high heaven, sure, but this just stinks like home grown retard rather than shill.
>>94438185Pretty sure even Abby himself got caught shilling on /tg/ and then publicly cried about the negative reaction he got.But no shilling on /tg/ happens a lot.
>>94438192No fucking way, really? God give me a cap that sounds fucking hilarious, no way there isn't a pic of that.
>>94438056>>94438134>the Lancertroon, having completely lost the argument on every front, has resorted to larping as an aloof normie wholst screeching about the very genre xhe claims to loveEvery time
>>94438196A friend told me about it, and I take his word for it. I'm pretty sure he's in this thread so he might answer you.
>>94438196It was back when lancer was new, ain't gonna bother looking for it. But he absolutely got caught on multiple occasions
>>94438202Aren't Tom and Miguel hired by like WotC and under NDAs and with kids? If they are legitimately over here that's just kinda sad.>>94438207Fair, I too am lazy as shit today.
>>94438210>Tom and MiguelWhich one of those is Abbadon? I only know him by his screenname and that he has also got caught with some awful deviantart fetish one time (feeder or fat shit or maybe diapers I don't remember).
>>94438227I think its Tom but then again, does it matter much?
>>94438185>I don't think they'd do any shill operating on /tg/ of all placesThey shill here all the time. I was skulking in the discord for a bit and they'd regularly drop links to /tg/ threads that mention Lancer to try and control the narrative
>>94438210>If they are legitimately over here that's just kinda sad.Abbadon literally is *FROM* here, my mate.
>>94438261Wrong, he's from Homestuck forum adventures
>>94438255" control the narrative " kek your braindead politics bleed in everything you do and see
>>94438266originally, yes. but he has a longer history of interacting with anons than some people in this thread.
>>94438255That's pretty sad then. Double so if this is the shilling they do, they antagonize everyone else in here. I couldn't bear that fucking place much when I checked it, complete garbage heap full of shit people with some modern day thought policing, but I'd figure they'd do a better job then, like this is really badly handled. I just didn't post pics and people acted like I was a freak but nah, this is even sadder.>>94438261Well a lot of people come around here and can be argued to be from here, but if you're working for WotC and with kids and you're shilling Lancer here, then I think that's pretty sad still.
>>94438301>but if you're working for WotCIs he though? Last I heard of him he's just shitting out a ton of solo ttrpg's (first ICON, then that Vampire Requiem Knight rip off, then some other grungy looking piece of shit) and relying on his comic. I hadn't heard of him partnering with WotC .
>>94438319To my understanding and from what people said, they were employed or with NDAs and therefor couldn't actually work on shit like Lancer hence basically every single suplement being written and edited by people besides Tom and Miguel. Aparently there was some shit about banning NDAs so they might come back to actually do something according to this and its first comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/LancerRPG/comments/1e9drlv/im_tom_bloom_the_game_designer_and_principle/ Yes yes I know, bad link, but its information and where its located and it mentions continuing Wallflower post NDA banning so I assume I am not entirely wrong.
>>94436732>I have decided I will make a better mecha game. with sexy girls.Make it Powered by GURPS
>>94438280As evidenced here
>>94438301>I just didn't post picsWhile making (later proven wrong) assertions ABOUT said pics you refused to post, disingenuous fucknugget.
>>94438589Naaaah, I posted girls I found to be up to my tastes, I don't really care if they ain't up to yours. You'd know that but then again you are really really insistent on reading everything I do and call me some kind of slime, which doesn't really work Anon.
>>94438603>backpedaling this hard
>>94438603>I posted girls I found to be up to my tastesYou posted annotations amd descriptions of them while being too pussy to actually post them. Nice revisionism though, commietroon faggot.
>>94438683Anon I haven't moved yet, how could I backpeddal.>>94438859You got the books, go find them big boy.
>>94437935He’s going through the actual book and citing examples instead of being some (you) seeking missile expecting you to spoon feed them. If you want to look up Lancer art just fucking type in LANCER RPG art on Google and hit images. Abaddon might have an art style but most of the people drawing fan art makes their characters hot.
>>94438078>I wish that artist the best and may they find more work with actually good TRPGs in the future.>He doesn't knowAnon, the artist of that piece is Aurahack.
>>94439104>AurahackAm I supposed to know who that is?
>>94439050>He’s going through the actual book and citing examplesIn the time it took him to do his Section 508 Accessibility For The Blind routine he could have just...posted the picture. But as we all now know, he was too pussy because he knew hos citatoons were fucking garbage and he hoped no one would call him out.
>>94439200It’s one of those futa-focused artists that trend towards drawing their girls with huge, meaty breasts.
>>94439214Anon, by the time of this thread, and with the time until now where we've all been here posting about it, you could have opened every single file from the main lancer rulebook to the others and scrolled down to the pages about 50 times easily. Have you unironically been filtered by a low effort page count?
>>94439447And (you) could have posted one (1) example of what you consider to be a hot woman from that book. But you didn't, because you're not actually interested in the discussion, you just want to waste people's time.The amusing part is that this is the best anti-recommendation of lancer I have seen yet.
>>94439658I mean that's fine for me Anon. If you couldn't even open the books and check the page numbers you were provided including the book names then I don't think you'd have been a good player at all. Last thing I'd want is someone so low effort in a Lancer game so it works out pretty good if you couldn't muster the effort and won't do so either.
>>94439437>futa-focused artistsUnfortunate, but still manages to be the most respectable art AND artist associated with Lancer. After all, abbyboi is a fat fetishist and lets not pretend all the other "girls" in Lancer art don't have penises too.
>>94439447>by the time of this thread, and with the time until now where we've all been here posting about it, you could have opened every single file from the main lancer rulebook to the others and scrolled down to the pages about 50 times easilyAnd yet despite having all that time, you failed to dp exactly that. The onus is on (you) to prove Lancer is full of hot, scantily-clad aryan babes since (you) made that claim, not me. Instead you failed utterly at every level and are trying to foist that failure onto everyone else for not wiping your ass for you.Typical commie, really. Expecting your opposition to do all the actual work so you can claim credit for it after all is said and done.
>>94439845>show page of black bitches with big tits and a nice ass>show page of mechanic with fat racks and a gun>somehow told I am meant to show aryan babes when I even mentioned big boobad blackiesAyo comrade, click the pdf cyka, you're on page 8 you're gonna fucking miss it with how slow you're goig tovarish. Sheesh, the new fucking gen of commies really can't do dick even when you point them to it.
>>94439845>The onus is on (you) to prove Lancer is full of hot, scantily-clad aryan babes since (you) made that claim, not me.Was that the claim? I thought it was how there's attractive women (and men) in the artwork. There's definitely attractive women and men in the fan-art, but official art's on the menu.And the white chick with enormous tits that I was thinking about way, way earlier is really fucking hard to find. I can't seem to search her anywhere - was she for LANCER, or just one of Abaddon's unrelated misc arts? Who knows. All I remember is that she had kinda frumpy hips, a tank top, and absolutely enormous tits. Blonde too, but a little busted face.
>>94439894>super pixelated broccoli zoomer with a flat chest and mid chest>ugly boy with gynomoobsYou have shit taste, sinple ass.
>>94439927>how there's attractive women (and men) in the artworkYet STILL no evidence has been provided. Funny, that.
>>94439932Davai cyka, now actually check the rest.
>>94439845>Expecting your opposition to do all the actual work so you can claim credit for itthat's... not really what happened here though? I don't think he expected anyone to pick up the book and check the pages he referenced, he just wanted to overwhelm you with fake "examples" to either silence you or claim you're acting in bad faith by refusing to look them up. And it would even look convincing if not for the anon who called the bluff and revealed the super hot babes are in fact random pictures.
>>94439968Nah. All the ones posted in this thread and all the ones I've seen on my own time have been utter muttoid slop. If you're gonna convince me otherwise YOU have to do the legwork, lil bro. I'm not doing your job for you.
>>94439974I honestly expected people to actually go check and then be mad, but I didn't expect such laziness that it makes me, a self admitted lazy autist, feel good about himself. Like I referenced pages and pics and even described a few, those numbers are real if you aren't a tard who downloaded pre picture pdfs somehow like another Anon has. If you wanna check its there, if you don't, no water on my raincoat. The game was rigged since a lot of the spergery here either isn't really honest or is some kind of incredibly weird hatred for the game because of its average player, and yknow what, that's even valid Pilotnet sucks ass.
>>94440054God, you are trying SO hard to eke out a win from your complete failure just to further poisin the well. As expected of a lancerfag.
>>94437511>>94439968>>94439996I'll finish things off, just so that I can prevent what >>94439974 was talking about with you acting bad faith about the fact that we didn't look up 100% of the random pages you cited.
>>94440179Anon I just stated the game was rigged and I was never going to win, I played for playing. Do you have actual trouble reading words the same way you got trouble opening a PDF or something?
>>94437511>>94440200And that's every page you listed. And out of all of them, >>94436175 is still the best one.
>>94440200>>94440228You forgot to post OTHER PAGE, anon!
>>94440228Anon, dustgrave at 79 was the monarch chick, the other 79 I mention is in battlegroup, read dude, you're on mountain remorse. How do you fuck this up.
must say I'm disappointed. for a literal porn artist these pics are really lame. is this what having a wife does to a motherfucker?
>>94440277>>94437511>Mountains Remorse is sadly uggly as fuck, battlegroup has a pretty cute black chick there at the front cover alongside 79Ah, threw me off because you didn't capitalize Battlegroup like you did for every other, so I assumed it was referring to something within the previously mentioned title like how you had a lowercase magenta red within dustgrave.Here's the pic you've been making us wait for? Really?
Holy shit are you still feeding the troll.
>>94440272Oh of course, can't forget the cover.And then that's really all of it. Definitive proof that Lancer art is ugly as fuck, and even a cherry-picked list of page citations can't hide that fact.
>>94440359>Here's the pic you've been making us wait for? Really?Anonymous, I posted the fucking initial post with the fucking page numbers at 8:35. It is currently 18:44. I have no fucking idea how this has stretched for twelve fucking hours when I expected everyone to open the PDFs, glance at it and say its ugly as is their right and to settle it then.This has stretched to the point of the fucking ridiculous and I'm just laughing because I had 0 expectations. We're on page fucking 8, we're 142 posts off of 300 auto sage, I fucking expected you people to just get on with your lives over 8 hours ago! Fucking making you wait? Man I've been fucking enormously chilling, I got no fucking clue how you guys have milked my laziness this fucking hard for so damn long. I'm legitimately impressed.
>>94440425>I posted the fucking initial post with the fucking page numbers at 8:35. It is currently 18:44.A man has a life outside of this thread Anon.We established earlier that it takes you around 2 and a half hours to take a screenshot. I'd assumed you'd have figured it out for the remaining few pictures during the time I was gone.>I expected everyone to open the PDFs, glance at it and say its ugly as is their right and to settle it then.It's an imageboard. Posting screenshots of PDFs is drastically more efficient than expecting everyone who wants to confirm something to go download their own copy of a PDF.
>>94440678We are a primarily text based board with the 1 image limit because 4chan operates on mid ass code with no modifications while some altchans got shit like 14 pics a post. I could not be assed to post everything besides a location Anon, and I still cannot be assed. If someone wishes to check, they can, and if you're the guy who did, I actually congratulate you for at the very least doing something. I did get busy while the other dude got pissy I didn't answer within the hour yeah. I didn't expect everyone to immediately check every single PDF either but 12 hours for someone to actually do it with such an active thread is pretty funny still. Page 9, time to go 10 and then chill out some more.
>>94439200Let me guess: benis?
>>94440411Something is seriously wrong with the anatomy of the black chick in the orange suit. It's like her ass in in a different plane than the rest of her body.
>>94441597it's just the space diaper making things look weird
Well I have to say, this thread is a bundle of mirth to me.Shine on you crazy diamonds.
>>94441980Will do Anon, will do.
>>94441661Nah man. It's like if her left foot is rotated 90 degrees. We should see the sole, then the pose would make sense.
>>94442566no man that IS the space diaper
>>94442683tf you mean
Westerners can't into mechaSame thing with anime fans, they'll consume every tier of slop but turn off the second it's a mecha show
>>94442877Nah.Mekton Zeta may be a mechanically garbo game but it radiates really and genuine love for mecha. Same with GURPS Mecha, which actually has recommendations for old ova's and shit for inspiration in the sidebar.Lancer devs have no excuse, mecha is anti bugman and they are bugmen.
>>94440200Rating these before the thread dies.>Top left girl: 4/10. What the FUCK is with her bodyThose fucking arms. She's a fucking gorilla! And she has NO HIPS. Literally an man body on steroids, it actually looks freakish in how her big burly muscle arms contrast with her narrow twig of a lower body.Artstyle is ugly but I guess the face is okay by those standards.>Top right5/10Not particularly ugly and too covered up too say much. Her grim face and expression isn't particularly charming. Not much to say on this one, wouldn't bang.>bottomUhhhh, 6/10This one's almost okay. Coloring style being simpler does a lot, body actually looks feminine, and the bodysuit design is okay if not great. Doesn't really do much for me but this is probably the second best one after the brown anime chick from the futa artist.
>>94443232Actually no, I was too generous with top left, that's a 3/10. Gross tranny looking broad.
>>944403595/10Deviant Art webcomic tier action girl (in terms of both art quality and aesthetics)This is another "not particularly offensive, but I wouldn't save it either if I scrolled past it on an image board". Face isn't terrible eye searing but it's not remotely cute and it's not hitting the "sweaty action tomboy chilling with a beer" kind of seduction it's trying for. Outfit is whatever. At least her body is moderately feminine.
>>94443821Note I MIGHT be being a bit harsh on this one since it's coming from the game that just showed me "Red Magenta". I think it just barely reaches ok, but it's definitely not above a 6/10.
>>94443870Man, is this all that the thread is, now? Some guy drip-feeding you art so you can rate it?
>>94444594The alternative would be talking about games, which is obviously not going to happen on /tg/.
>>94444594It's on page 10 at the bump limit dumbass, not much point in discussion now.
