So who gives Inquisitors their authority, anyway? In the books, they seem to be constantly working at cross-purposes, to the point that evil or corrupted Inquisitors are actually a bigger danger than the threats they fight against.It just seems that they're constantly making more problems than they solve.
>>94414705you just don't hear about the ones that don't fuck up
>>94414705They don’t start out like that, corruption is just kind of an inevitable end for most of them who don’t get killed.Even then the few who can make it old age without falling are crazies like Karamazov who were always extreme puritans.
>>94414705>So who gives Inquisitors their authority, anyway?The Inquisition. >In the books, they seem to be constantly working at cross-purposes, to the point that evil or corrupted Inquisitors are actually a bigger dangerYep.They're basically corrupt cops with near-unlimited authority to do whatever they wish. The good ones bend the rules to do some good, the bad ones end up doing the bare minimum to personally enrich themselves.Some of them go full retard and start entreating with chaos/xenos to help the Imperium, but that never ends well.
>>94414705>So who gives Inquisitors their authority, anyway?The Emperor. >they seem to be constantly working at cross-purposes, to the point that evil or corrupted Inquisitors are actually a bigger danger than the threats they fight against.A fall from grace with such power and responsibility is indeed a grave matter. >It just seems that they're constantly making more problems than they solve.That's some recidivist shit though, report to the Blue Chair.
>>94414705>So who gives Inquisitors their authority, anyway?Originally it came by order of the emperor. Now it's a self-perpetuating system with inquisitors recruiting new inquisitors and them all using their political influence backed up with economic and military might to enforce compliance. If enough people said no to the inquisition at one time it could probably be destroyed but that's true for any power structure. If not enough people say no then the ones that do get corrected somehow.>>94414868>Blue ChairIs this like the naught seat?
>>94415229>Is this like the naught seat?Magenta level clearance required.
>>94414721>you just don't hear about the ones that don't fuck upYeah this.Chaos incursion, or even full corruption is supposedly pretty rare in the 40k universe. But it wouldn't seem that way looking at the novels or rule books, but that's because that's where the spotlight is pointing.You don't see that tireless terra owned forge worlds that run (mostly) smoothly with no tyranids, no chaos, or necrons waking up, and maybe the occasional small ork incursion. And simply produce equipment as requested for several centuries.Those are boring. The narrative is usually pointed at exceptional circumstances, because that's engaging.As readers and players:>Chaos and Xenos are only where you are looking.
>>94416588baka at myself. Been years since I read that. I shall dutifully sit in the blue chair or any such colour as may be required.
thats what newfags dont get about the Imperium its a bunch of competing organisations, they are all acting as checks against one another.In reality there is no "imperium" its a myriad of worlds and semi-independent super organisations in tenuous agreements.
>>94416597>MENDOOOOOZAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! God those were the good old days, when Space Marines were allowed to straight up lose.>>94414705Iirc, and it's been a looooong time since I was deep in 40k fluff, Inquisitors usually go through a period of apprenticeship and then are nominated for and recognized as full members of the Inquisition. I think you need at least two other Inquisitors besides your master to approve you, at which point you receive the rosette and are recognized as an agent answerable only to the God Emperor. In theory, every Inquisitor has the authority to requisition anything, execute or spare anyone, and in general act above the law. In practice, Inquisitors are political creatures who weave webs of complex alliances and information brokering, only wielding their massive legal power when they have sufficient backing. This is why the Ordos and Conclaves exist: an Inquisitor in good standing with his own particular conclave can call on resources established by his predecessors more easily than he can conjure them up himself. Most "ordinary" Imperials are likely to obey an Inquisitor's demands out of sheer terror, but more savvy types like Rogue Traders will need some convincing, such as an exchange of favors or promises of future leniency.So basically, Inquisitors get their authority in principle from being part of an organization recognized as second only to the Emperor, but in practice it tends to come from them being politically and legally positioned to be both incredibly useful as an ally and incredibly dangerous as an enemy. As far as their tendency towards corruption and fratricide goes, congrats! You've stumbled across one of the oldest themes of 40k as a setting: a bunch of ruthless badasses convincing themselves the ends justify the means tends to result in them causing more problems than they solve.
>>94415229>Originally it came by order of the emperor.Lmao. Since when?
>>94414705The inquisition, the astartes, the grey knights/ custodes work in a balancing sort of way.Each being capable of fucking things up all the way if need be.However, their power and therefore, ruling is limited in their scope.Grey knights can’t just kill astartes whole sale and aren’t numerous enough to kill the inquisition.Astartes cant wipe out all of the inquisition and certainly not the grey knights.The inquisition cant do shit to either as then humanity would be fucked.It’s a system of checks and balances that has each side (mainly inquisition) pushing the boundaries and getting killed for their trouble.
>>94416926You weren’t there that day.But he did say that he needed divine agents of his holy will above all reproach because that was what his plan was before he got on the throne but didn’t have time to tell anyone.
>>94414705The Inquisition is a paper tiger, it self perpetuates with an older Inquisitor apprenticing new ones & constantly bullshitting their way through some of the most fucked up problems the Imperium faces all on Charisma, intimidation, compromise, favors, bribes, & stale re-caff
>>94414705Theoretically, their power derives from the Emperor through Malcador, because Malcador established them and the Emperor decreed that Malcador spoke with his authority.In practice, their authority is what they can get away with. The Inquisitors who investigate the business of the Dark Angels for example go missing all the time, and picking a fight with Space Wolves ended poorly. An Inquisitor could try and give orders to a Custodian, if they dared, but said Custodian is going to ignore him no matter how much he waves the rosette around if said Custodian concludes that the Inquisitor is wrong. Or kill him, possibly.Inquisitors, as a result, need to over time build a network of alliances and power structures to support them in their activities. Some do well at it, becoming figures of incredible influence, and some do not. Inquisitors can also end up having huge internecine power struggles with each other, Space Marine Chapters, the Administratum or Ecclesiarchy or Mechanicus or whatever, Rogue Trader dynasties, and the High Lords. And no matter what the Inquisition or Inquisitors claim, or their dumber members think, the rosette and Inquisitor status is not a blank cheque - Inquisitors who go too far and/or become more trouble than they are worth can and will be declared Excommunicate Traitoris for their activities (or just quietly offed in some out of the way place).The Inquisition is, because of this, a morass and swamp full of people who may well often be working at cross-purposes with one another.
>>94416588This is hilarious and I never get tired of it. I haven't read it in probably 6 months, but I'm about to read it again and I know I'll enjoy it as much as I ever have.
>>94416926Since more than a decade ago, try to keep up.>the Inquisition was founded by Malcador the Sigilite at the Emperor’s instruction
>>94416656I'd imagine also that most chaos cults are dealt with quite quickly by whatever local enforcers are present. all it takes is for one citizen to report suspicious activity and for a single person of rank to listen for the cult to be investigated and destroyed.
>>94416588i love how this is taking the piss out of communism and 99.9% of people are probably too stupid to get it.
>>94417441Explain it for us anon.
>Inquisitors usually go through a period of apprenticeship and then are nominated for and recognized as full members of the Inquisition. I think you need at least two other Inquisitors besides your master to approve you, at which point you receive the rosette and are recognized as an agent answerable only to the God EmperorI seem to remember something like that from the Eisenhorn series where he signs off on someone's promotion. There was this old ]=[ article on some of the various acolyte archetypes and their methods from when the specialist games site was a thing.
>>94414705>So who gives Inquisitors their authority, anyway?Emperor did. Now it's Inquisition members giving other people they consider worthy title of Inquisitor. Their students who proven themselves capable.>In the books, they seem to be constantly working at cross-purposes, Yes this is entire conflict in Inquisition. There is ordo that try to collect as much information about history of Inquisition and ordo that at the same time is trying to keep said history as secret as possible, there are jurisdiction conflicts, because heretic cult trying to summon daemons fall both under Hereticus and Malleus. Entire puritan and radical conflict is even bigger because you have ideology scale from "purge everything slightly mutated" who barely tolerate psykers and their response to almost everything is purge, to "Horus had good idea but fell, so let's make Ascendand Horus 2.0 but loyal this time" redicals who create chaos cults and use daemon weapons as means to controll chaos. So diferent ideologies can't coexist.>to the point that evil or corrupted Inquisitors are actually a bigger danger than the threats they fight against.No, gene-stealer cult, daemonic invasion, widespread chaos cult, rogue cardinal are much greater threat that often result in Exterminatus, because planet can't be saved.>It just seems that they're constantly making more problems than they solve.Inquisition solve problems constantly, including elimination of rogue inquisitors. They stop problems before it became bigger one or just purge it with exterminatus. You usually don't hear about it because 40k is wargame and if Inquisition prevent chaos/genestealer uprising or daemonic insvasion there is nothing to wargame about. Entire point of Inquisition is to stop shit hitting the fan, but even when it hit they often finish the job. Look at siege of Vraks it was shitshow for more than decade and was finished quickly when Inquisition got involved.
1/2Just going to leave these here. Game rules are not great but the art, writing and how it encouraged very customized modelling was very inspirational.
>>94418239'trees aren't free' marxists believed trees were a free resource, you just had to go up and chop them down.Economists had to explain to them like they were retarded that it costs money to harvest lumber.Like i said 99.9% of you wont get it
>>94421191Is this some sort of american strawman? As someone who was once interested in soviet block I never heard of it. I'm pretty sure even fucking communist party of Soviet Union wouldn't get it.
>>94416991>Grey knights can’t just kill astartes whole sale and aren’t numerous enough to kill the inquisition.If they tried they'd be suiciding because Grey Knights are part of the Inquisition.
>>94414705I dunno ask /40kg/
>>94421228no.. listen to me carefully. You are retarded. Like every communist.
>>94421191Is this a specific anecdote you can show the origin of? I would like to know more.
