Blind Faith Edition>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What Trench Crusade is notTC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc>Trench CompendiumCompendium: https://trenchcompendium.netlify.app/Feedback Form: https://forms.gle/k44MxmJxWu3upDHT8>Previous thread:>>94489693>Thread Question:What's your favourite lad in the game? Can be purely visually or purely mechanically.
>>94526759>TQWar Wolf, but the chorister fluff is what made me actually decide on getting into the game
>>94526759>TQArtillery Witch for being a funny concept and introducing me to the setting
Dead game.
Don't engage it.
>>94526955Fuck you I'll engage with whatever the fuck I want>>94526943Nuh-uh
>>94526759Also Artillery Witch, although I am fond of the Observers as well
>>94526759I like the artillery witch for its art but personally I think their models are gonna be impractical (It's hard making the floating effect as cool as in the art) and their table top rules are incredibly mediocre (An anointed could basically do their job with a Grenade Launcher)I love everything about the Death Commando though. Its art is pretty cool. Their lore is amazing and I love how they're still just humans moulded into killing machines. Their Crunch is great too, they can act as a lynch pin to an army or a gigantic annoyance close to a stealth distraction carnifex. I wish they had the option to take Assault Rifles though since Assassins can use any weapon including Snipers but for some reason Commandos can't.
>>94526759>Thread Question:Hellknight hellknight hellknight. Can't wait to paint a bunch of them.
>>94527094Don't commandos get the massive fucking death claws? Maybe their hands are too fucked up
>>94527115Their massive fucking claws are an optional weapon like the Assassin Blade even though they're basically each unit's iconic weapon. They can still somehow use Pistols and grenades even with those Claws.I think the lack of ranged weapons is just to balance out the fact that Commandos can become untargetable by ranged attacks since they can roll to hide. So they don't want Commandos just staying plinking at long range and hiding to become untargetable.
>>94526943It's over.
>>94527408It's Zinogre.
>>94526759The Anchorite Shrine lad
>finally look at the rule set>look at the unitsWait this isn't even a game. It's just concept art.
Oh wait, so there are Hebrew knights in the lore
>>94527454What does that even means, do you think skirmish games arent real games?
>>94527547Not surprising given the majority of people on this board don't actually ever play the games.
>>94526943>>94526955>>94527454it's all the same meme
>>94527454it is a game designed with the idea of style over substance
>>94527457Yeah people aren't just making them up for OC armies. They are pretty big in the lore because they just sort of walked back into hell territory and took some back for themselves.
>>94526759>TQHeretic death kommando, lore and model are so cool.
>>94527421With how big that bastard is, that's probably the Methodius Grand Anchorite
>>94526943works on my table
>>94526759>TQYou posted the fella, such a simple concept but still so cool, sharpshooters guided by faith alone
>>94519628>Where does it fit in for the factions in the framework of WW1 and crusadesWhere do nukes fit in the framework of WW1?
>>94529015The war is metaphorical of the cold war since it's a proxy battle between heaven and hell. Angels and Demons are literal Nukes, the one time an Angel descended a town got wiped off the map inadvertently.
>>94529087TC war doesn't look too cold, anon.
>>94529142Neither did the Cold War if you lived in one of the Shitholistans that got turned into a proxy battleground between the USA and the USSR.
>>94529177>ifNot comparable, I get that you want to be proven right in your lazy comparison, but no, I'm sorry, it's nonsense, accept it now instead become mad when people start to pointing it out. Sorry, fren.
Best models to convert and proxy heretic troopers?
>>94529219Kriegsmen or similar proxies.
>>94529219I'm using witch elves because I want mine to be hot babes. Perry/WGA kits for parts.
>>94526759I'm so excited for trench crusade. My favourite model is pic related, I saw this painted example when I just searched the name and I really love it. I want to play Trench Pilgrims, but I'm getting a Sin Eater as a one-off model just because I like it so much. Since it can ally into any hell-aligned faction, I'm sure I'll find a place for it in a warband someday.
>>94529199What is cooler, Earth being the major battlefront between Heaven and Hell or Earth being a sideshow organized by demonic CIA spooks with too much money and not enough oversight?
>>94529229Use what you want of course but personally I think a lot of warhammer sculpts are too distinct to be used as proxies unless you do a ton of converting in most cases. I saw someone proxy a commissar as a new antioch lieutenant and it was well done and well painted but all I could think was "that's an imperial guard commisar"
>>94529403Warhammer Derangement Syndrome
>>94529403Speaking of which, I made a lieutenant myself, it seems too normal so Im probably going to replace the pointing arm with an armoured version or replace the hat with a beret.
>>94529229>KriegsmenHonestly, get hyper expensive GW models to proxy this game is the stupidest idea I heard in a long time.
Do false gods get acknowledged at all in trench crusade?
>>94530021I don't believe so. I doubt the ones nearby survived the Abrahamic ones manifesting physically around them. Those beliefs either got abandoned or purged out of fear of being devil-worshiping fronts hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
>>94529087Where does the Cold War fit into the framework of WW1?
If you’re gonna use gw models at least look at the necromunda range instead of the slop that is 40k.
>>94529730>Or similar proxiesYou can get fake kriegsmen on ebay and other sites for cheap. Just searching Kriegsmen or Death Korp brings them up.You would know that if you actually played.
>>94529219Check the wargames atlantic WW1 stuff.>British bodies>German helmets>whatever arms for whatever you want them equipped withIf you want the trenchcoats the french sprues have those, if you want something chunkier with more parts to work with look at Bolt Action germans.
>>94530705>Bolt Action germans.no gasmasks
>>94530044On one hand, having other pantheons be present might just muddy up the setting even further, on the other, I really want to see other gods pretend to be either part of Heaven or Hell just to survive.I remember anons arguing about how pre and post-roman Catholicism angels were far, far different, you had the bizarre and formless things and then you had angels that were close to the Grecian-roman divine ideals.
So when people get the STL files for the minis will they be able to sell printed minis on etsy? I think the prices for the models are a bit too steep in the kickstarter and all the updates with VAT and shipping is making me confused as hell but the bottom line is that I'd probably need to pay at least 25% of the KS in additional fees which is no bueno.
>>94532169Dont expect one sprue to make everything, you could get the bolt action germans and use the ww1 germans heads. Look at the American and German winter bolt action stuff if you are looking for trenchcoats too.Dont be afraid to use a scalpel to shave bits off like the neck if it doesnt fit.
>>94528063Well, it is an easy target.
>>94527454It is an incredibly effective con to swindle millions of neet bucks from redditors pockets
>>94526759will this game ever get a store front? as I matter of principle I don't buy anything off kickstarted, I try the game through the PDF and it was pretty fun but I would like to use the actual minis for it, since thats the main appeal for me.
>>94529403So? That's literally the point of a model agnostic system. I'll be using my Space Marine Primaris(c) as my Heavy Mechanized Infantry and there's nothing you can do about it you little bitch
>>94534921Based. Ran my CSM as anointed and my traitor guard as Heretic Legionaries. Game looked wack though. 40k v. Malifaux
>like basically every heretic legion unit so don’t know how I should build my warbandI definitely know I want a war wolf and a commando at least but I keep tossing up about how to build the rest of my starting warband. Can’t go with any of the of the variant warband cause they either make it so you can’t take war wolves or commandos
>>94535242Arti Witch with some armour, Chorister with a Sac Knife and armour, an Anointed or two with Heavy weapons, Priest as you like as they're good at ranged and melee. Whatever you have left fill out with BAR Troopers half with +1 to ranged.
Where do shirtless buff dudes belong in trench crusade?
>>94535615Serpent Court wretches.
>>94535604Arty witch honestly looks overrated. You could give a grenade launcher to a Legionary and it'd be cheaper.
>>94535615There an new antioch eire unit that doesnt wear armour, and the trench pilgrim have a alternate warband of muscle priests who excell at melee, I feel these would be appropriate for that if you just give them the different heads.
>>94535604Didn't see your reply so I ended up going with>priest w/ semi-auto rifle, bayonet & infernal mark>commando w/ tartarus claws, gas grenades & infernal mark>war wolf>annointed w/ heavy flamethrower>2 heretic legionnaires w/ bolt action rifles & bayonets>2 heretic troops w/ bolt action rifles & bayonetsI was very tempted to get an artillery witch and 2 wretches instead of an annointed but I figured I should probably get an annointed in early so I can potentially get them to elite status + they need more stuff to be outright useful compared to artillery witches/wretches where you can just kind of grab them without equipment and they're good to go. Plan is to use glory points to grab good stuff down the track and replace rifles for submachine guns, anti tank rifles and what not.
>>94535753The reason why its better is because its not affected by range disadvantage. People seem to miss the fact that at half your weapons range you do -1 to your ranged rolls, and its why stuff like SMGs arent as great as they seem.The grenade launcher has a range of 36", but its effective range is 18", where the witch has an inate 36" at all times and ignores penalties for height disadvantage.
>>94535753Heavy weapons on non-strong models suck ass, generally speaking. You always want to at least be able to move-shoot, preferably move-shoot-dash back into cover.And witch is great mostly because of her 3d6 to injure at 36", grenade launcher won't deal with armour as effectively. Her AoE is more reliable as well, since it's harder for her to miss completely and she can sometimes hit models without LoS by targeting ground somewhere near them.
Utter disaster: 3D print digibashing has become so ubiquitous that they're now calling normal kitbashing "Physical kitbashing"
paypal is working on backerkitfinally got an order in for the absolutely radioactive dank book
Can't believe this game is already dead.
Bro what does the Devil who sits on the throne of Sloth even bring to the table?"I am the laziest devil in hell, nobody can match my inactivity, gaze upon my magnificent sleepyness for I will sunder the world by doing absolutely nothing."
>>94538939He smells so bad from wallowing in his shit stained bed for so long that the layer of hell he resides in is completely unassailable
>>94536136NTA but if you put the Grenade Launcher on an Anointed they already have a +1 Range Dice so they effectively roll the same number of dice as a witch at long range and at a +1 Dice at 18 inches. Plus they have a built in Reinforced Armor, Infernal Brand and can also be used as melee unit if the enemy gets close.All Witches really get is Levitate and the 3d6 which to be fair is powerful if it hits but getting a direct hit on a 2d6 feels incredibly swingy. Especially for its price, I think Witch should get +1 Range or a cost reduction to be perfectly honest... or maybe give their bomb the Fire Keyword. As it is right now, I think the Witch is just overpriced for what it does.
>>94539476Sure, but you want announted as a front line fighter for doing objectives and heavy hitting, not sitting back firing grenades or only getting off 2 shots before getting into melee where you no longer have those grenade getting lobbed to push enemies off objectives etc.Consider the witch as an artillery piece, it is a fixed price and isnt expensive for what it is. Annointed with nothing equipped cost more and you want them using that +1 range on something that shoots more like an SMG, or when it hits does more injuries due to this unit being more likely to get in close range, like a shotgun. At least in my opinion, anything with +1 melee should be getting in the front even if they are a ranged unit. Itd be like giving one a sniper rifle, it seems like a waste of the role for a unit that is suited to close range even if they do get a +1 to their range.
>>94540164Agree to disagree but the anointed is only 95 to the witch's 90. The witch is definitely not a cheap unit, I'd argue it's very expensive for what it does.I just feel like personally I'd rather have an Artillery piece with a much higher survivability for 35 ducats more and you can have more than enough anointed so long as you have ducats unless you're running Naval Raiders. Hell you can't even get reinforced armor for artillery witches, even if you float them into high ground they're just easy pickings for sniper priests.
Is the punt gun worth it on a strong Castigator?
>>94526759Why does a blind man need a telescopic sight on his rifle?
>>94530052I have a box each of Cawdor and Redemptionists that I considered turning into trench pilgrims.
Did the viral marketing bucks run out? What happened to this "GW" killer, can't even get 40 posts a day in the general.Maybe they should have used a smaller mini size and made battles larger scale. But maybe the world really needed another 32mm skirmish game.
>>94540891God Telescope
>>94540913>GW killerIt was never marketed as such, calm your tits.
>>94538939Stagnation and sloth are one in the same, and stagnation leads only to a dooming spiral of death. How many men kill themselves because they spend 40+ years of their life slaving away at a job where nothing changes or happens, only to then suddenly get hit with the realisation that they're almost half way through their life and they've not done 'enough'? Laziness is a very ripe human emotion that festers in everyone, so natrually a demon that's all about that kind of shit would just become super powerful. I imagine he probably gets his dudes to purposefully wage long ass sieges against the forces of the church to just waste their time and resources, which then very likely sparks turmoil on the churches' side and inadvertedly inspires even more sloth-like behaviour>>94540380>I just feel like personally I'd rather have an Artillery piece with a much higher survivability for 35 ducats moreNTA but desu I don't really get that thinking, since the artillery witch can just take standard armour + trench shield for 30 ducats and be at the same level of armour as a grenade launcher annointed while still getting to do their bomb shit since it's a one handed ranged weapon. Hell, you could even use 5 more ducats to get the infernal brand mark, combining with their natural resistance against gas weapons to make them incredibily resistant to a fair amount of special weapons and make them pretty damn hardy. GL Annointed have a use, but for the purpose of "being an artillery piece", the witch wins out by virtue of being cheaper and being able to attack indirectly via targeting a nearby spot. If annointed had tough there could be more of an arguement to be made but yeah. That being said, annointed with GL's make really good substitutes in a trench ghost army and can be fun to run alongside an artillery witch at the start of a campaign
>>94540380The survivablity of the witch comes from its effective range. It doesnt need to get close, as its not affected by long distance range penalties like the grenade launcher would be. Sniper priests could take shots, but so can the witch in turn, and hit multiple units at once doing it. As you said, agree to disagree, there will be some stuff in the loadouts and unit selections that dont appeal where other stuff does, I think thats the nature of warband based skirmish games. 2 warbands can be the same faction but have completely different setups and preferances from person to person. I personally would aim to get those 2 witches and just have them sit at the back with no equipment at all and just have them act as artillery pieces supporting a close range rush. Like, I genuinely wish there was something like this for NA, where its just a field gun that can take shots across the table and shove things off objectives.
Sorry but do any of you know how to use the kickstarter backerkit to update the assigned email? That's what the TC guys asked me to do for the apple hidden email issue, but there is no option and when I used the ask a question option on the backerkit a few days ago I've gotten nothing back.
New Patron for the campaign, Mammon. Rules added to mega, in the Rules and Resources folder.
>>94542153Damn, that patron seems really good for heretic legion. I always thought that the infernal noble seemed way more suitable for court desu
>>94542153That seems like it would be really fun to play.
Playing a 500 point game tomorrow, what should I go for for a HoW or base IS list?
>>94540891It's for the lord to look through.
>>94526759>TQ.Mechanized heavy infantry. I love their concept, with complicated and magically fortified walking tank armour, and basically putting people on steroids and performing all manner of surgeries on them to make them fit, but I don't really like the actual models so much for some reason?I plan on getting one of these bad boys, stick a maxim gun on an arm, ditch the fancy cosmetics and scifi bits, and give the body the armour modeler treatment (flame cut marks, weld beads, metal textures) to make them a walking tank proper.
>>94540891I read this in bane's voice.
Never played the game before. How effective is cavalry?
>>94545056I don’t think they even exist yet
>>94545081Well I guess I'll check back later then.
>>94545081Is this strictly an infantry game?
>>94545093Yea its a skirmish campaign game. Theres plans to makes a wargame scale but so far its skirmish.
>>94545093>>94545083One of the planned factions is slavic vampires with winged hussars, so they'll probably have cav.
>>94545081Lions of Jabir and Warwolves are basically cavalry.
>>94545093It's a Skirmish level game. Think Kill Teams instead of full armies.It's basically like a squad or so of dudes going up against each other instead of full armored regiments.
>>94545335>trench crusade will get kislev before the old worldgrim
>>94545335that is absolutely a chevalier vampire reference.
>>94529308Anyone here knows if the sin eater model/stl is multipart, and if so, how many parts?
So ideally, you want to have around 20 models made for a warband, since youll be adding more over a campaign right? Id like to see what the final games look like with that many units in play, since you alternate turns unit for unit turns can take forever, but I suppose thats not a huge issue given you only have that many for the last fight of the campaign where you throw everything in.
>>94545539People were making it out that it’s little more and that the average is 30
Any suggestions for mechanized heavy infantry proxies to fuck with? I feel like a compilation of model ranges would be good for those kitbashing.
>>94545566There's some good looking stuff in Wargames Atlantic kits. You could use anything heavily armoured at a slightly larger scale than your other models though.
Where can I read the full lore for the sultanate, the one dude reading all of it on YouTube has a voice that I do not like.
>>94545622In the lore primer on their website that comes up when you google Trench Crusade. Dunno how you missed that.
>>94545625I was assuming that there was more considering the dude somehow managed to make a full 20 minute video on it with like 5 minutes worth of content at best. I guess that’s just YouTubers.
>>94545449I am pretty sure it is not multipart.
>>94545637It wouldn't surprise me if the creators give snippets and brainstorm stuff about lore on the discord. So there could be more in there, but I wouldn't worry about it. The bulk is in the lore primer and if there's any more then it'll be in the book when that comes out.
>>94545637Get Addfarmed, idiot
>>94545637There probably is. I like TC but because it was an art project that grew into a game, the setting details are scattered everywhere. Besides the playtest rules, I'd also check Mike's ArtStation account for much older lore and then either the official Twitter, Discord, and/or Instagram accounts for newer stuff. In theory this will eventually be condensed into the book when it releases next year.
>>94545566Check out Marcher
>>94545566Check out war machine
>>94545566I actually have the perfect one but I'm not going to tell you because I want my units to be unique and I don't want anyone else to have them. It's Konflikt 47 enjoy friend
>>94529434The 1947 U.N. partition plan didn't happen in this world so it's not their land.
>>94537721I despise it. They should call it Printbashing instead of Kitbashing. That 3d slop clogs up my search results.
>>94534050never ever, game barely came out and threads already dead, better buy it now before they shut down the kickstarted.
Musket with Bayonet or is it more worth it to splurge on a Pistol with a Trench Club to arm a grunt?
>>94547448do you want longer range or better melee. If you dont have more melee guys to support the melee option go with the musket.
>>94547454So the -1 on the wound roll is usually worth it
>>94529434>The literal gateway to hell is smack dab in the middle of ZionThey can keep it. Frankly I hope their army is very focused on infiltrating and guerilla tactics a la how they were against the Romans rather than just Jewish New Antioch.
>>94542153Where can I find the info on all the other playtest patrons?
>>94547630if you dont have the points for literally anything else but want a ranged attack that actually has range. Dont forget, at over half distance on a ranged attack you do a -1 on hit rolls for long range, pistols are awful if you intend to actually try and squeeze of a lot of shots with it, rather than just fire a shot or two on the way into melee.
>>94548314In the "campaign rules" PDF, you can find it in the mega, on the trench crusade site, on their discord etc.
>Making templates for trenches for a future modular board in photoshop>Got everything measured up, just doing the last template for an end piece>Photoshop crashes>Didn't save the file since I startedThe forces of heaven and the church plot my downfall
heroic or truescale
>>94548892Some of the terrain stuff Ive been seeing is pretty cool.
>>94548920i love the videos of that dude
>>94548901heroic
Are war crosses better than pistols for Stigmatic Nuns?
>>94549293if you want to give them 2 melee weapons yea. Since the crosses dont have a range penalty they have the same range as pistols and dont take up a hand for ranged weapons since they count as grenades.
>>94549408Is there any reason to have a ranged nun with two pistols, automatic pistols, or mix of the two? It looks like it might be a waste to not have them be in the thick of it, but there might be potential at staying just beyond arm's length and plinking a guy to death.
>>94551319You can totally have Nuns that stick just out of melee ranged but you can't shoot two pistols at range unless you have the Gunslinger Skill from the campaign rules or the lieutenant from The Red Brigade.If you wanna talk to your group about letting each player give one of their models a single skill though that's an option but you can't get Gunslinger out the get go.
>>94551351Oh yeah. So, right out of the gate they'll always at least be mostly melee units.
>>94551565Well if you use a lot of terrain, the +1Dice to Jump, Climb and Dash is incredibly powerful. It's just that if I recall correctly most games only last toll turn 6 so you need to balance out when to skirmish to wear down the enemy and when to go in so you can secure VPs
>>94545566Peachy did a video recently on kitbashing for TC and he made a real neat looking on with a Sigmarine combined with some historical stuff and a gun. Looks really nice.
>Roll to place objectives>Two touching enemy deployment zone, one touching yours>Scenario is four turns long>Enemy puts a single model in the way, it's now impossible to run to the enemy objective over the course of the match>Lose during deploymentMany such cases
>>94526759>TQLamenter is a really cool dude. Kinda sucks ass mechanically.
>>94551613Nuns really are just ninjas
>>94552255Why in the flying fuck would you EVER decide objective placements with RNG?
>>94552580Yeah they have throwing crossses, swords and acrobatics they're basically ninjas. Except they also regenerate basically.
>>94552919Sacrificing stealth for being knock off Communicants?
>>94552936Man now I'm waiting for a Stigmatic Nun Warband variant that gives them infiltrator and removes their offhand penalty.
>>94552958They'd probably get rid of some elite units or restrict you by not allowing any Anchorites, but imagine if they also got obrez carbines or something to give them more range.
>>94551988I don't know who that is.
>>94553104If you know Duncan Rhodes and two thin coats, similar deal. Guy that cut his chops doing painting guides for GW and then went on to make his own youtube channel doing paint guides and videos on various wargaming topics.
>>94553104he's that slaphead (formerly) from gw. he's not as good a painter as suggy or duncan but he seems okay enough.
>>94553144Man, what would you call her body type? I dunno what it is, but her neck, head and body all look like different scales.
>>94553170>Man, what would you call her body type?It is a "Rose of Angloid" Flesh Formation (Phenostructure #672, Non-Critical Mass Formation, Cross Ref Doc. b1782 for further information)
>>94553121>>94553144I'll check him out.
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>>94553144He's great. The narrative Sharpe campaign is sovl as fuck. Less skilled painter? Sure, but that makes him feel more relatable almost, as though you could imagine playing on that table, it's not all done up and perfect, just slightly-above-me-tier models on a felt mat. Feels aspirational instead of impossible. Suggy's not bad but I'm mildly hurt that she abandoned her loyal chud demographics for the cool kids of youtube.
>>94553438>Less skilled painter? SureYeah he feels like an everyman's painter. A lot of his stuff is just simple easy techniques to get your mini painted for the game you want to play. Also why is that chick called Suggy? I only discovered her channel recently.
Does anyone have a picture of the Trench Crusade models compared in size to the GW models?
>>94553466Her surname is Sugden. And people made lots of jokes about it.She actually used to post on /tg/ a lot as an anon
>>94552692>Why in the poopy fuckwaffle would you playtest the rules published in the playtest?
>>94553696You can see the size for models in the kickstarter itself, in the add-ons section if you wanna compare them
>>94554205Thanks anon.Satan blessings upon you.
>>94540891It's a saint's fingerbone in a hollow tube
>>94526759Anyone have recs for a sniper priest printbash? I'm not super in love with the official model and I can't quite enough models online that are able to accommodate the priest looking base with a WW1 rifle.
Autoshotty conversion idea, thoughts? What are you going with for such a device?
Is swapping weapons an option? I see you can have one 2 handed weapon, or two 1 handed weapons, but what if you have the flag that takes up a hand? Can you spend an action to change your equipped weapon since the flag isn't a weapon?
>>94555251Beta-stage rules omitting wording in some of the shield/flag areas that's present in others and is pretty clearly supposed to be for all imo: "Always takes one hand to use in both melee and in ranged combat, and cannot be switched out."
>>94555267Damn, oh well. Thanks anon.
>>94554205I'm glad you said that because I was under the impression this was a 28mm game for some reason.
>>94556676Beginning to read from the first subsection of the first chapter of the Book of Rules:"What You Need To PlayMiniaturesEach player commands a Warband, which typically consists of 6-20 models. While there is no ironclad rule on the scale of models, the heroic 32mm scale is what we use in our games. If you prefer another scale, do not worry – Witchburners will not be dispatched to cleanse you for your lack of scale purity!"So saith the designer. Amen.
>>94555230Seems fine enough. What faction will it be used for? If heretics then add some spikes to the clip to make it into impromptu knuckledusters.
>>94557219Planning to do some New Antioch and Knights of Avarice out of the same basic kitbash sources. Mag-blades is a cool idea, I'll see if I can model something nice for them for the spiky lads.
>>94548901Heroic scale.>>94553209Still would>>94537721>>94547223With the rise of 3d printing it was inevitable that terms like that were going to pop up.
Say hypothetically I'm tired of Gasmasks or don't want them because I don't actually want to take massed Gasmasks on my list.What's a good alternative look for Heretic Legions instead of gasmasks? I like Sallets but new Antioch seems to fit better for those.
>>94558398grotesque facemasks
>>94558449Got any suggestions for heads online? Personally I like grotesque facemasks, probably unrelated but I've always found the Korean Shaman Mask to have a cute goofyness to them. I'm pretty new to modeling so I'm not really sure how grotesque masks would work on models, mostly in the sense of finding pieces.
>>94526759>HERETIC LEGION>they are actually apostates, not hereticsevery single time
>>94529325both of those sound gay
>>94558398Could go naval raiding party and lean into more aquatic stuff like diving helmets.
Two scenarios got an update, as wells as a pdf on Field Artillery for use with some scenarios. Added to the mega.
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>>94558398Go for a leper theme. Either pic related or a corrupted version of >>94559503
>>94559462Gun turret looks kind of lame. Mortar looks like a mortar, which is pretty neat.
Is there an online list builder and if so can I get a link
>>94559614On their website they have one.
Honestly, do you think this game will still have players by the time it reaches full scale wargame numbers?
>>94559839I think that would depend purely on if the developers can keep up their passion and lend out the IP smartly.Honestly I feel like maybe Trench Crusade's getting too popular for what it is which is just a dude's art book he decided to make lore for. If Trench Crusade's gonna last long enough to be a full scale Wargame while keeping mass appeal, they need to figure out a better way to organize the IP aside from whatever Mike decided to draw.
>>94559839Will it have some players? Yes. Will it have a healthy enough population where you'll easily find a local community? No. Simply because of the barrier for entry is too high for the masses while hype is waning.
>>94559839Yeah. It's not like making a wargame as an indie is impossible, or even requires a large fanbase.
>>94526759>full release slated for this yearIs there enough time left in 2024 for this? Is the next rules drop the "final" release rules?
>>94559886>hype is waningwhere
>>94559886>Simply because of the barrier for entry is too highFree rules and it's model agnostic with plenty of WW1/WW2 hard plastic kits out there. What the faggoty fuck are you talking about? Where's the high barrier?
Am I reading this right? A STRONG Castigator can take a Punt Gun AND an Anti-Tank hammer?
>>94560457He could normally take it anyway without strong, but if you're talking about being able to ignore the heavy restrictions you're still correct yeah, a Castigator with Zealot Strength could take a Punt Gun and an Anti-Tank Hammer.Because he is also strong, he could also wield the anti-tank hammer with one hand, so you could take another one handed melee weapon to use in his off hand if you really wanted to.
>>94560539Like a flail to counter the off-hand penalty? It seems like loading up way too many ducats on a pretty squishy model, but that's still pretty cool.
>>94560553It specifically states that if the flail is in the offhand it does not have the +1 hit roll, it only gets that if its a main hand weapon. Also Castigator is deceptively good for the price of it>+1 melee and range>can get ALL friendlies to their feet in a single turn>can keep you from losing on morale>strongFor just 55 points thats fantastic, thats 5 more points than a single nun and half the price of the communicant, you can kit them with almost anything and theyll do work.I actually wanted to see a alternate warband that focuses on them like the Black Grail has for its knights, where you get 3 of them with an additional ability but no longer have access to the anchorite shrine or communicant or something.
>>94560539>He could normally take it anyway without strongnejHEAVY: [...] A model can only carry one item with this Keyword.Punt and AT hammer is two items with the Heavy keyword. Needs to be Strong to ignore it.
>>94560753>AT hammer is two items with the Heavy keyword.Are you sure AT has heavy? I'm looking at the testing rules for 1.5.3 which I believe is the latest ruleset and it says nothing about the AT hammer having heavy
>>94560704Trench Pilgrims are ridiculously strong honestly, they get some crazy good value models>Nuns giving themselves free blessing markers and getting +1 on ranged and combat AND getting +1 on dashes for 50 ducats (you can take 4 of these crazy bitches)>Prisoners with martydom devices are a cheap and easy way to basically guarentee a knock out/kill an enemy that's a threat>War Prophets have the best healing in the game and can just flat out ignore being killed + have good stats>Castigators have ridiculously good value and can take some crazy weapons thanks to getting strong for 5 ducats(!)>Your most basic troops choices can just revive themselves from the dead with a stat buff increase at a flat ducat rate, meaning the longer your pilgrims are alive for the more value you get out of the skill (one of your pilgrims can also become strong for just 5 ducats!!!!!)Everyone seems to complain about the Court and Black Grail being really strong but I fear having to go up against a TP warband one day, I feel like they'd be really hard to deal with
>>94560853if that's the current doc, then I guess it don't, in which case yeah the difference is just in the movement/shooting impact of the punt gun and not ignoring the 2h rule
>>94560913Believe it is the current doc since it's the one that downloads when you go to the site, and also it has the explaination for how goetic powers works which 1.5 is missing. Part of me has a feeling they workshopped them to being non-heavy since the kickstarter prophet model is equipped with an anti-tank hammer
>>94560928>Part of me has a feeling they workshopped them to being non-heavy since the kickstarter prophet model is equipped with an anti-tank hammerYeah, that makes a lot of sense desuwa>>94560904TP are top, NA then Court follow, Grail just bullies noobs.
>>94559629Holy shit the builder on their website sucks> hit back button because you can't get out of the equip screen? Out of the builder> options suddenly not costing any ducats> but they do cost ducats for other units (literally the same unit added before)> cancerous screen clutterJesus this is horrible.
>>94560904> game is already broken and it's not even outJesus
Is the game trade marked yet? Would a fan video game get struck down by the heavens on its inception?
>>94561245It's probably in the process and yeah they probably would
>>94558789Are you sure?They haven't abandoned cristianism, they belive in God and all, they are in the same faith, they have abandoned the God side, but not the cristian religion.But they have different opinions, contrary to orthodox christian doctrine on how it works.It's tricky because those words depends on the doubt about God. They are not 100% either of both, but I think that the definition goes more to heretics than apostates.
>>94560904The sheer downside of TP is the utter lack of elites and a reliance on passive abilities to carry. Where stuff like court has way more elites, and they are all just flat out stronger in combat. Though they arent elite, Heretics get annointed which all have strong and are as good in combat as the castigator elite, and can just pay a smaller point cost to upgrade heretics to legionaires.NA is the only faction I think is kneecapped, but the fireteam ability seems like it can change a game on a turn and having easily replaceable advanced weapons means you dont have to be precious with them.
>>94561293> only NA kneecappedThen what's Iron Sultanates play path.
>>94560963Full faction tier list?I really like heretics, but I don't want to be te unbalanced losers.
>>94561541TP>AN>CS>BG>HL>ISAll viable, though, you just have a lot less depth of quality in the lower ones. HL is fine, but you're going to find you have a bunch of non-optional 0-1 choices that you have to take and rely on.
>>94561677>HL is fine, but you're going to find you have a bunch of non-optional 0-1 choices that you have to take and rely on.True to an extent, but I see lots of people acting like the Chorister is a must have when he just eats shit a majority of the time before he gets to put in some work which is problematic when he's 1 of the only 3 elites you can get. With the change to let them take ranged weapons though I'm tempted to give one a flamethrower to see if he can be a little more useful
I am hasmodels but nogames and wargamelet, I just like painting little dudes. Can I get a spoonfeed about tactics? Don't care about competitiveness just want to not look like an idiot. I have a NA warband at least 1 of every guy. What do I want to focus on?
>>94561445Their Jannisaries are fantastic.>55 point>can have 6 of them>all have strong>counter attack abilityLike, thats the stats of a castigator, and you only get one of them there, but you get 6 of them with IS, beside everything else like assassins and the build-a-bear mechanic.
>>94526759looks interesting, and im going for the Trench Pilgrims, something about them just do it for me.
My recent kitbashes, I posted that female paladin in the past; I totally remade her because I wasn't satisfied with proportions etc. Shes still drying tho..now with stigmata and first time using hot glue as some kind of fluid!
>>94562046Tactics have minor variations based on if you’re running default or running one of the warband variations, but generally NA is about overwhelming ranged firepower with a focus on solid equipment. You have>Access to great guns in bulk>Ability to hire lots of different mercs with glory points>Ability to field a fair amount of heavily armoured troops with good guns>Infiltrating troops for objective cappingThis basically pivots you into either making an elite focused warband with lots of powerful shooters backed up by mechanised heavy infantry or fielding crap tons of basic yeomen where you then dole out as many special weapons as possible and make an incredibly deadly firing line. Automatic rifles, sub machine guns, machine guns; you can drown the enemy in so many extra attacks that even being behind cover isn’t a guaranteed safety against them. Because you aren’t spending glory as much to get your special guns, you can allocate them to getting mercs, which means potentially more guns (communicant tank hunters) or more hard hitting firepower for your existing shooters (ammo monk). Regardless, extra mercs means extra bodies which means extra activations which means you can very easily control when you want things to happen and make riskier plays, especially since your lieutenant can force certain activations with his own ability.Taking one of each dude is viable and not a bad idea; you can arm each dude up to the teeth or go down one of the aforementioned paths before.>>94562171Jannissaries are shockingly adept and underrated, Dervishes even more so. Was horrified watching my friend go up against an assassin list and watching his dudes get picked apart by dervishes with snipers who were able to casually avoid any return fire. Sappers are honestly very good too, that mine laying ability is fucking cooked for certain scenarios
>>94562250>>94562254>>94562258Looking sick Anon.
>>94561843Making a chorister -3 with shield and armor and sac dagger has been been very useful for these 700 ducat games I've run. Expensive for what he is though. He can be really irritating in a middle objective screaming and stabbing anyone who contests.
Concepts of a Heretic naval raiding forces, from the official account. Satanic frogmen would be a cool mini opportunity.
Thinking about a heretic force inspired by the skulls from MGS. I know they're a bit high tech but their aesthetic actually reminded me somewhat of the death commandos. Still, what no-nos should I keep in mind if I do it to make their aesthetic more suitable?
>>94562046Generally, for NA I'd suggest you specialise a few front liners to take serious hits and to punch back a bit in melee (think elites with lots of armour, or hammer-and-shield shock troops), backed up by large volumes of gunfire from the back. All of your problems can be solved via a few can-openers like the AT rifle backed up by shitloads of basic ranged attacks to drown the enemy in blood tokens.Other than putting anti-armour into armour, just focus down and remove enemy killing power as quickly as you can so you can win via Lanchester's Law.MGs, SMGs, autorifles, bunch of bolt actions, you can quickly get even a tough enemy to 3BP then hit him with something heavy and spend a BP to put him to 3BP while on his arse and vulnerable to Bloodbath, and even if he's not going Down this is a faction very capable of sending a guy to 6 then hitting him with anti-armour weapons backed up by Blessings.
>>94562448Remember this is 1914. No matter how bold, daring and commando-ish people are, most rank and file are probably not going to go into battle wearing layers of skintight bodyglove designed to look like chaps and speedoes. They're probably going to be a little more modest than that, and if not, the fine resources needed to make such elaborate suits are probably not available to spend on rank and file like that.
>>94540891He doesn't know it's there. He's blind, duh.
>>94562448No plastics, and the second biggest issue with diving is keeping the cold out, so generally avoid any elements like the rigid facemask pictured. Divers from the time would generally divide into two categories, being the ones with massive pressure helmets and those who would breathe from an air bladder generally mounted on the chest that doubled for flotation (look up submarine escape sets). Wetsuits were even further off, so with that cold consideration you're generally looking at the body being either clad in loose rubbery drysuit or exposed so it at least dries quickly on surfacing - skin-tight waterproof suits would be extremely constrictive, and non-waterproofs would freeze you to death.
>>94562358I thought they would look like pirates.
>>94562931I don't think my guys would be frogmen or anything. I agree on no plastics though, maybe leather instead.
>>94562585>They're probably going to be a little more modest than thatlol prudesquad coming for /trench/ after the discord.
HL seem in a weird spot. Very shooty. Marines seem strong but only one anointed isnt the best. Ran a legionary with a grenade launcher last game and did some serious work. Priests also seem weird since they're pretty goddamn expensive with the gear to keep him alive and encouraged to get close to use puppet master. I feel like a little death ball of him, a chorister, and an anointed with a HF would be wicked.
Any good STL options for Heretics yet?
>>94560310>where is the barrierI'm not saying it's difficult to get into. It's really not. Or that it is expensive. I'm saying to get a substantial playerbase you need boxes of officially licensed miniatures on shelves in LGS and whatever big online store. That is the hurdle unfortunately. Your typical consumer doesn't want choice, options or even affordability. At least not that much affordability. Just being cheaper than Games Workshop is affordable enough for them. The average consumer want the work done for them and options decided for them. They want to purchase the meta faction and warband and they probably won't even paint their models.
>>94564256Grenade launcher on a Legionairre seems bad due to being heavy. Maybe on anointed
>>94562358Makes me think of Titanfall Pilot helmets.
>>94564235Still a downgrade, the loincloth wasn't there before.
>>94565393What are the best bits to make a coomer tier harem warband?
>>94561274>they belive in God and allNo, they don't. Apostasy is when you leave the church, which all "heretic legions" did. >they have abandoned the God side, but not the cristian religionthey abandoned frozen dairy treats but not ice cream. It's the same thing.>It's tricky because those words depends on the doubt about GodIf you leave the Catholic church and become Jewish, you aren't a heretic, you're an apostate.
>>94562358One of the "problems" of the game is that if they did start making models that cover everything it would kill kitbashing, because the guy designing the stuff knows how to make stuff look cool. Some of the designs just look rad as hell and Id like a model of them even if I didnt play them.People interpritations vary drastically and it would be a shame to kill that, but at the same time, the official designs look great to the point where I would just settle for the official models. For the heretics alone Ive seen interpritations of the trench ghosts as WW2 skeletons and pic related and it made me want to play them, but if he did official designs Ive no doubt they would look really neat too.
>>94565619I think what they've done with 3rd party licencing will be good for subfactions. I imagine a lot of sculpters will be adopting the subfactions as their own and you'll eventually be able to find prints for each of them if you don't want to kitbash.
Anyone have ideas for Combat Medic Kitbash? The official model looks so good and I haven't really seen many attempts at making a unique one.
>>94565393What if the loincloth is just there for the YouTube raiting?
>>94565476Cathars.
>>94565619>it would kill kitbashingWhat kitbashing? They're using 32mm, so either you're not using their models, you're only using their models, or you're already digitally altering or full-body sculpting, it's not really relevant in any of those scenarios.
>>94564235My issue with the official Nun mini is that they butchered that helmet & shoulder armor shape. It looks nothing like the art with its high collar and weirdly angular armor.
>>94565619>it would kill kitbashingThis isn't 40k/Wfb. Most companies do not give a shit about kitbashing, and most wargame fans don't care either. Get your head out of that GW Consoomer-Doomer space.
>>94565393There was a stigmatic nun without the loincloth?
>>94566500>This isn't 40k/Wfb. Most companies do not give a shit about kitbashing, and most wargame fans don't care either. Get your head out of that GW Consoomer-Doomer space.What bizzaro world do you live in? The exact opposite of what you said is true. GW is strictly against kitbashing. you buy their official models and you use them. No exceptions allowed. Most other wargames don't even have their own line of models and rely on your kitbashing from more common kits that you can find from Mantic, north star, wargaming atlantic, etc. I can't tell if this is parody or if you've come straight from 40k and are trying too hard or something. Miniature agnosticism is pretty much the norm outside of GW.
>>94566500Im not saying the devs enforce it, Im saying that if the models are so good noone bothers to make their own interpritations that makes me sad. I like seeing peoples ideas, that becomes deminished when everyone is just buying the official models.
>>94566561>The exact opposite of what you said is true. GW is strictly against kitbashing.Yes, I know. I said exactly that. Dumbass. Most companies don't care. GW does. Hence why I prefaced the statement with "This isn't 40k/Wfb". Those are Games Workshop companies if you didn't know, which you might not since, by demonstration, you've established that you're a fucking retard.>>94566759>if the models are so good noone bothers to make their own interpritations that makes me sad. Even 40k is rife with reinterpretations of model lines that they have established. You're just being a fucking doomer. Piss off with that shit.
>>94566872>Most companies do not give a shit about kitbashing>Yes they do>I said exactly thatYour posts are actually schizophrenic. Seek help.
>>94565988What’s irritating about 32mm is the companies that do make miniature at that scale are all preassembled. It is surprisingly difficult to find this scale bits
>>94566561>>94566920A real classic ESL moment we have got here.
>>94553209>>94553170>>94553144shes like a human in 32mm 'Heroic' scale
>>94565476How are they going to believe in demons but not in God? It's that said anywhere in the fluff?If not, they never leaved the christian faith, so they are committing heresy having an interpretation of the same faith that the church thinks it's wrong to their doctrine:>Heresy:>belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.At least they are as heretics as they are apostates, there is no wrong calling them Heretic Legion.
>>94526759What is /trench/'s feelings on the trending "negative space trench" boards and terrain people are making for the game?I like the idea of them and it seems like a good way to throw up a fairly modular board but I never really get the impression they're trenches as such, they kinda just look more like random cubes of earth clad in wood as opposed to cover and tunnel networks carved into the ground. Can't decide whether I should follow the trend since it seems far easier to craft them then doing something like a set of modular tiles you can rearrange
>>94567510KEK!
One of my /mu/ recommendations for Trench Crusade is Toroidh's Testament. Hell, most of the Martial Industrial genre would be great for the bleakness of this game.
>>94545449That's just the Yharnam Executioner's Catholic Cousin
Ok best 3rd party 32mm historicals (WWI preferably) as base to convert into TC warband?
I dont think there ARE 32mm historicals bwo. Just truescale 28mm historicals. Maybe go find someone to print your sloppa.
>>94567997Fuck, so they encourage conversions and play with other models but create a game out of scale with the more common lines in miniature industry?! Nice.
Why are most dudes here so bent on buying unrelated models and "kitbashing" them, instead of having the real thing?
>>94568108Why are people in a creative hobby trying to be creative? I wonder
>>94568108Personally, in my modelling hobby, I like to partake in this minor aspect known as "modelling". I know that's not for all, but some of us enjoy it.
>>94568186Yes, but they are entering a pre-fabricated setting, instead of creating something new. It's like entering a McDonalds, only to bring your own food to eat at the table there.
>>94568108Converting and kitbashing is the best part of the hobby.
>>94567835They're easier to make individually and it's easier to make different boards as well but I don't really like them anyways, too "arcadey-like".Picrel are some of the modular boards I'm trying to make, 50x50cm each. This was my first try at scenography and terrain building and am quite proud of how it ended up. I know the green grass stands out too much, I am thinking on spreading it all across the mud to add some texture and then using a brown wash so it does not stand out too much, thoughts?
>>94568347Implying that people doesn't homebrew.Also unrelated, demagogic metaphor.In other hand creating a game that works well and it's balanced is a full time job and it's extremely hard to get people to play it and test it. It's better to find a common ground that many people likes and enjoy and add your touch to it.
>>94568367It's just the colour of the grass that's making it funky, yeah. I'd whack it with a light ochre/sepia airbrush, drybrush, whatever you can to give it a dead look at the top layer then wash it down with your mud browns.I'm currently autisming about trench layout and designing a modular system for making it both realistic and highly playable, but don't think I'll find the time to actually execute on it. Envious of you for actually getting your shit done and pretty nicely at that.
>>94568367These awkward fat boards look so much worse than the modular ones you replied too.
>>94567835The view of the entire board sells the effect a one off close up doesn't do it any justice.
>>94562171I mean, you don't get to really combine any if those things in one list.The assassin's list doesn't get Jans. The build a bear is in one list, gets extremely expensive, and doesn't get the assassin's or the jans. And you say > 55 point Jans!!!! But they aren't - once you give them armor and a gun they are around 100 pts. And they don't have tough so one good shot and they are fucked.
>>94567835Kind of lame. Depends on the mission though. I like the idea of some trenches being these labyrinthine nightmares deeper from the front though. Great for infiltrator missions
>>94568455Thank you anon, will try airbrushing it before washing.>>94568478Of course it fucking does, the modular one was clearly made by someone with a lot of experience, just look at the stitching in the sandbags I would get an aneurism if I tried doing that to all of mine. I'm not even that good at painting minis and specified how that was my first time.My point wasn't trying to say mine are better but that the layout always feels weird to me. Just imagine how much better that level of quality would look in a board like picrel
>>94567835>but I never really get the impression they're trenches as suchSit in a shorter chair. Overall modular tiles are necessarily more useful, but making a trench set like geomorphs would work for more variability.
>>94548929Who?
>>94568347Wow, I sure do like the lore of this faction! And their squad leaders all have unique battle trophies, that's cool.Oh, the models all have the same armor design out of the box? Not big deal, I'll make My Guys look different by->pre-fabricated setting Fuck, I guess I'm legally obligated to have my guys look boring then
>>94568367>too "arcadey-like".Yeah that's kind of the feel I get from them. I don't think it's a terrible look, but having everything essentially sunk into the ground like that just seems strange, especially for certain scenarios. Feels more so like a labyrinth than it does a network>>94568486Idk If I really buy it honestly; again it looks like a cool board but where's the big no man's land that should occupy a lot of the battlefield and be where enemies meet most of the time? Why would people build buildings into dug out trenches, or make trenches around 5m blocks of earth and soil?>>94568536>Great for infiltrator missionsThat's a good point actually, I like that a lot honestly.
>>94569090https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQOC73e9nRw
>>94569624I think picrel is probably the best experience you're gonna get, outside dropping great expense on making a board that comes with trenches with limited alterability.This can be made to have fortifications, ala a real WW1 trench hardpoint, can be altered a lot more than most, and you know what is and isn't trench.
>>94526759>All the files are free onlineWhere are all the free leaked .stl so i can print everything out and dont pay a shekel???
>Devs promise that the price will go down as they pay for VAT and shipping for the book themselves>price actually goes up by 10 burger buckslmao. I better not catch you retards complaining about GW jewery every again.
>>94569392>I'll make My Guys look different by-That does make sense. But most of the kitbashes aren't actually following the design and lore of the game. Making decorations and battlestandards different is one thing. But taking robots from some mechagame, and calling them New Antioch machine armour is entirely different.
>>94526759Just getting into this. Been watching a few videos about the lore and I'm fucking hooked. I like the Saracen armies.
>>94570091Devs have said that Backerkit's gonna fix it later today, still not doing a late pledge until the very last day so they can iron out all that crap.
>>94570050Shalom and happy Hanukah.They will be on telegram the day they are released
Seeing more and more on the facebook group asking about "The strongest faction", most OP builds" and such. Maybe we were better off as a tiny game for the Narrative Campaign freaks. All the normie-tubers catching onto this game is attracting vile tourneyfags. The wrong people. At least people are still bullish on Kitbashing and proxying.
How do you use the flamethrower, just as an anti-armor weapon for stacking blood markers or maybe finishing off? The infernal brand mark makes the normal one completely ineffective, so just rely on blood markers for that?
Just tried to do a late pledge for 2 copies of the physical book, and it seems VAT/Taxes are gone, only shipping fee remains.According to their kickstarter:>Hey folks: quick update on the tax situation: Backerkit has implemented the correction for add-ons but not for pledge levels. Waiting to hear back from them. We’ll post an update as soon as everything is confirmed. Sorry for the wait.
>>94574585Mostly as an anti-armour finishing off tool equipped on low level troopers with meh ranged stats or infiltrators that you know are gonna get bloodied up and will have terrible shooting stats in a turn or two. You usually run them in tandem with something that could put a blood marker on an enemy before they can get a spray off so you can counteract the -1 to injuries and fish for a straight roll since you have a higher chance of an outright out of action. NA can do a fun thing where they can run a fireteam trench mole flamethrower duo, which could prove nastily effective if they have something like a sniper priest to get that first blood marker notched on a model so you could then trigger bloodbath>The infernal brand mark makes the normal one completely ineffectiveDesu not a lot of HL players will purposefully equip their units with it so you shouldn't have to deal with it too often unless you're up against Avarice Knights since they love spamming annointed. If an opponent purposefully starts tailoring their HL to get the mark then honestly you just need to use something else than flamethrowers at that point whenever you match against them.
>>94568347It's more like bringing a packed lunch to a picnic site where there's also a cafe.
>>94574672For grunts with flamethrowers, would it be worth outfitting them with war crosses for Trench Pilgrims? They'd probably want a melee weapon, but it feels like you wouldn't want to put too many points into the flamethrower guy, other than for survivability. 75 ducats for a Trench Pilgrim with a flamethrower and standard armor seems like he's already getting pretty expensive.
>>94574650They made a post the other day saying that because everything was so successful and because they've been fucking around with pledge managers a bit too much, they're just gonna cover all the VAT for all the orders.
>>94575094You want to be using the flamethrower as much as possible to get value out of it, and the warcross and flamethrower take up the same rangeband. With both of them being ranged weapons, you're kind of just throwing points into a weapon you're never gonna use. Remember that the flamethrower automatically hits; you don't need to roll dice to hit or care about cover so long as you're in range, unlike the warcross where you'd actually need to roll to hit.For trench pilgrims, you should absolutely give them a melee weapon if you have the points; scourges/flails are the most underrated melee weapon and can turn your basic troops into skilled melee combatants at a reasonable ducat cost (5 ducats for +1 dice), especially when they die and you revive them once more with the +1 melee buff they get, meaning some of your basic troops are hitting at 2+ dice in melee. That being said, you could also just spring for armour and rely on retreating from melee to keep flaming over and over again, but honestly I don't think you should buy armour for trench pilgrims until they've died and you've revived them again. Grab a flail, flame whoever you can, and if someone engages your dude just beat them to fucking death. If they kill him, revive him, pass the flamethrower loadout onto the next trench pilgrim and just repeat the cycle while turning the revived TP into a melee monster.
>>94575337What about in one off fights and not campaigns?
>>94575460...Take flamethrowers + flails anyway cause they're good? Idk anon, I can't give you all of the fucking answers to life
>>94572326Fuck, any idea for people who already pledged? I paid for a warband+book as a birthday present for my brother.
>>94558493If you got a printer, consider the Scan The World project where people are uploading quality 3D scans of real-world artefacts. Two appropriate greek grotesque masks I found quickly:https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-mask-of-a-satyr-188520https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-mask-of-polyphemus-187840
>find cool HL proxies>32mm heroic scale>No appropriate arms with bolt actions/WW1 weapons in this scale I can find >Printerlet I'm sobbing and shitting rn
>>94561219builder dev here> hit back button because you can't get out of the equip screen?was clicking outside the box not working? or was it just not made clear you could do that.> options suddenly not costing any ducatsWas the 'faction' option unticked? Equipment has no inherant cost, those things are decided by faction (like how some have different limits/restrictions). If you didn't untick the box, then its possible I fucked up the options-resetting and it defaulted to that.> cancerous screen cluttermind elaborating?
>>94576679Consneeder that the Chinese sell knockoff Lego weapons on Amazon for low, low prices. Lego scale might still be a tad big for Trench Crusade, but it's in the ballpark.
When is anyone going to share a link with the STLs?
>>94569624I don't know man I see plenty of squares and shit in these pics.Also the 'no no mans land' is easy to fix. You just make pieces where one side is built up Trench and the other is a gradual slop downward to the table level. Throw some shell impact creators and barbed wire around to ease the transition and jobs a good one.> Why trenchs around blocks of earth?Often those 'blcoks' would be dug outs or bunkers, or an entrance into a deeper mine cavity.Watch the opening 36 mins of 1917 for an idea.
There's an official podcast, apparently. Wasn't mentioned in the thread, so thought I would post about it, if there are interested people who want to listen to it.https://shows.acast.com/over-the-top-the-trench-crusade-podcast
>>94577131Forgot PicFuck
Is there even anything the can do to prevent the files from beaing leaked. Does it usually happen with kickstarters selling .stl files?
>>94577584Lmao then why even post here faggot?Maybe reddit will give you some gold for your faggot blog posts.
>>94577684>>94577584James...
>>94577274Eventually, yeah. It's no different with stl's as it is with pdf's.
>>94575246>Gets nearly fifty times their intended pledge.>Blows a bunch of it to fix a problem that wasn't even their fault, because they're GC's like that.Feels good man.
>>94575246>because everything was so successfulBut the more you sell, the more VAT there is... If they can just pick up everyone's VAT tab without issue then they must have had some hefty margins to begin with.
>>94578887My brother in Christ look at the model prices. Even GW isn't this jewish.
Any bits reccomendations for a Greek/Byzantine/Orthodox trench pilgrim warband? I already have the minis in mind but I'm lacking in things to make them look not-western-catholic. Also, anyone know of religious decals like the ones seen in the artwork??
>>94579193I haven't tried it myself, but some of the other threads mentioned using nail water slide decals. I think if you were to cut up some plasticard into little rectangles, you could paint them gold, put the slide on them, and then probably finish it up with a brown wash.
>>94579917If they dont they should. What the fuck do aztecs and indians have to do with WW1 or the crusades.
>>94579944Well they made a huge deal of the Americas being DeCoLonIzEd!!1! in the TC universe, then they ban people for asking, sounds inconsistent to me
>>94579980Thats completely made up, there is no lore on America at all so far, thats part of the reason why people think it should be added and why they should be ignored.
>>94579980>>94579984Both of you are wrong, the whole aztec drama started after Mike Franchina on the discord mentioned the "Contagiadores" who spread holy infections to the Americas. Some guy said that the aztecs should be demon worshippers in the settings due to their human sacrifice culture, and the discord imploded as the mods banned everyone who participated in the discussion because "it is disrespectful to indigenous people".
>>94580001And thats fine by me. I dont want people talking controversy about shit that isnt even in the game when it shouldnt be there. Id rather people came up with more alternate warbands within the setting than try and add more factions for stuff that doesnt even make sense to be there.
>>94530044If you literally had pagan deities agreeing to live and die as humans so they could ascend and join the Catholic church as saints I could see it working
Finally ordered two copies of the book, one for me and my friend since I want to avoid the usual black library scenario where everything gets resold for $$$.
>>94580637The rules are already free, so I imagine you can just get 3rd party prints of it at the very least. I myself intend to just print them out myself for me and a friend.
>>94580077why wouldn't it make sense to have Aztecs
>>94581099Where do they fit into Abrahamic religion and WW1.
>>94579917see this is why you have to gatekeep against trannies, they will always hijack whatever they are let into and force their gay ass morality onto it
>>94581104Getting imported as shock troops by the heretics. They have naval superiority and need manpower. The imports go awry. Abrahamic religions fighting mesoamericans is legit, they could even invert the binary about missionaries but its Quetzalcoatl instead of saint whozit. If you want to pretend TC is just ww1 there's all sort of shit like jet fighters they'll need to get rid of.
>>94581104>Where do they fit into Abrahamic religionHuman sacrificing daemon worshippers, and crusading conquistadors.>and WW1Participation in/against the submarine war, as irl, the southern continent locked in local wars which threaten to influence more major fronts if they get resolved, as irl, and a major area for influence operations below the scale of full blown warfronts, as irl.
>>94581104Santa Muerte cults vs aztec heretics
>>94581104>>94581246and during WW1 Mexico had the Mexican revolution so it can very easily be used as another theatre of war for the setting
>>94581182Sure, but that exists, its the naval assault force the heretics have, they look like pic related apparently, if you really actually wanted aztecs just make them look like that, the rules are there for you. This makes as much sense as saying "they should add Native Americans, they could be shock troopers for the christians" because they interacted with the puritans, so theres a Abrahamic connection there. So now you have a game that has WW1 guys running around in trenches who are fighting guys wearing loincloths and feather caps wielding bows. Its just dumb, its just gotten away from the setting with that kind of shit.Note that people want that nonsense before they want Japan or China, thats how you know its fucking retards pushing it that dont seem to understand that the setting is not just "religions and different peoples through history fight eachother".
>>94581256In this setting America was never settled by europeans, demons took over everything that isnt europe. If they added any humans over there they would be demons, or mary sues who managed to survive without the help of all of christendom or the muslims.
>>94581206>>94581246>>94581256American was never settled in this universe, expansion stopped at the first crusade. Its why Japan also isnt there.
>>94581342> demons have everywhere that isn't EuropeThe fluff says that they only turned 1/3 of humanity how the fuck is the rest of the planet all demons
>>94579980'They' did (the creators) or 'they' did (troon moderators on discord).
>>94581360Because god and faith actually has an effect in this setting and the rest of the world is not even aware of abrahamic religions, Aztecs are still practicing human sacrifice to appease the xibalba pantheon any day of the week and native americans are worshipping concepts of spirit animals. So unless you can spin the abrahamic religion into the xibalba pantheon the aztecs are fucking dead as shit, so is Japan and India, thats a lot of people.
>>94581389If 1/3 is worshipping hell then 2/3 isn't.So why do you all assume 'oh America is all demons.'
>>94581408Because as I said, they dont know about that religion so clearly cant be followers of it unless you rewrite their religion to make it so. Its a pretty safe assumption to assume the guys who were weilding stone spears and bows who lived in mud huts when the europeans were using guns and full body shaped steel armour while building castles before the demonic incursion, didnt survive.They COULD bullshit and get them involved, like the heretics are so enamoured by their bloodlust that they farm them for soldiers, but then they are just another branch of heretic with wacky uniforms, and if thats where its going, we can just start looking at all cultures through history and start making excuses to add them. If you look for it you will find ways to bullshit anything in, and when you have to do that thats when you need to stop. Keep it simple and clean.
>>94581408Because they're acting in bad faith. Anyone bringing up Aztecs are purely doing it to shitpost. Notice how they only talk about the human sacrifice and demon parts ad nauseum or how the original post >>94579917 was some drive by quote of the OP that had nothing to do with any other discussion in the thread. If they truly gave a fuck, they would already have a warband put together or even ask what minis they could use for such a project. But they don't because they're just assblasted about culture war Discord drama and you fucking morons keep indulging them.
>>94581466Were in autosage anon, this is when people get silly and start talking shit knowing it wont ruin an actual thread.Aztecs is a fucking dumb concept, I dont even know why that one specifically is getting attention. Add the Japan if youre going to do non WW1/crusades stuff, at least I can get to use cool models for those and I think more people would actually want that too.
>>94581475This is not about getting silly. This is feeding the trolls directly and willingly. I've seen too many people on this godforsaken website over the years think they're being cheeky by entertaining shitposters and schizos only to wonder why the quality of discussion has taken a nosedive. >I dont even know why that one specifically is getting attention.It's Discord drama. They're not being subtle about this. This is not a new occurrence. Search the archive of your choice for the word "Aztec" and see how many of them are the same posts with barely any permutations.
>>94581453>they dont know about that religion so clearly cant be followers of it unless you rewrite their religion to make it sowhich was the original suggestion, that the Aztecs turn to worshipping the demons as their gods
>>94581453the Europeans didn't have guns during the crusade mate so by your logic they shouldn't have survived the initial demonic invasion either, it's a fucking fantasy setting
>>94581789They did when the met the aztecs, at the time of the crusades the aztecs were literally wandering tribes like the native americans. I have to ask, would you actually play an aztec faction? Why the insistence on adding it over something like vikings?
>>94581811>the aztecs were literally wandering tribes like the native americansno they fucking weren't, their capital Tenochtitlan had over 200k people living there which was 4 times the population of London at the time, and by the time of the crusades the Vikings had almost fully converted to Christianity and were not even really Vikings any more as popular culture knows them
>>94581849Right, so why cant there be vikings though. Or native american indians.
>>94581849And Im sure the Aztecs didnt change from what we know in that time frame either right? Why cant there be vikings if there can be aztecs.
>>94581863because the Vikings weren't a thing by the time the crusades were happening, do you know how linear time works? and sure why not native Americans aswell
>>94581870yes I'm sure the Aztecs would have changed, that's the point they could have been influenced by the appearance of demons, becoming more brutal and bloodthirsty as they try to appease their "gods" with more and more blood sacrifices. and again the Vikings were gone by the time of the crusades, they were Christian kingdoms, they were fucking part of the crusades
>>94581889So youre fine with native americans and aztecs, thats alright, but not vikings, because they dont belong in that time period...of ww1...I say WW1 because I have to remind you that Prussia exists in this. The issue isnt specifically that its not sticking to historical timelines of the crusades, its that they just do not belong at all theologically or aesthetically with WW1, or the crusades, when I think of either of these things I do not think of the aztecs. Their inclusion is simply "I like them, and they should be there because of that" which is terrible reasoning. Again, China or Japan would fit better because at least they had shit going on at WW1 if not the crusades. Try to keep everything around these 2 events, not everything that happened in between.Byzantium is being added next apparently, so you might actually see "vikings" in the form of the varangian guard lel.
>>94581902Pretty sure aztecs werent part of the crusades either, the new world wasnt even discovered yet. The whole universe as it exists right now is just the map of the crusades and those involved, not the entire globe with every country and culture represented.
>>94581934holy shit you really don't understand linear time do you? by the time the crusades happened which is when the demons invade the Vikings were no longer a thing you fucking idiot, the Aztecs were, you are so fucking stupid
>>94581944you absolute retard
>>94581969Right, and a big fucking demon gate opened up and killed everyone who wasnt in europe and adjacent specifically because they followed the abrahamic faith and were saved by it. The aztecs would be mulch by the current timeline, why the fuck would the rest of the world have advanced to start using tanks and the aztecs still be wearing feathered headresses and bones in their noses, even if they were somehow still alive. Even if aztecs did exist in a linear timeline, they would just look like the normal fucking guys with guns. Look, heres an aztec in game anon, paint his cloak to be a panther pelt and its an modern aztec.
>>94581975They should add aboriginals from Australia next. They existed so why not.
>>94582002>aztecs still be wearing feathered headresses and bones in their noseswho the fuck said this? no one ever claimed they would have stayed stagnant, the idea was what if they joined the demons and started worshiping them as their gods and how would they have ended up by the time of trench crusades setting, like would they be using blood magics powered by human sacrifices and shit>Even if aztecs did exist in a linear timeline, they would just look like the normal fucking guys with gunsoh then I guess by that logic literally every faction in trench crusade should look exactly identical to each other, just like how every army in WW1 had exactly the same uniforms as each other, fucking retard
>>94582007because they aren't at all interesting t. Australian
Oh please dont tell me the aztec retard from /40kg/ is shitting up these threads now.
>>94582042But you just described regular heretics anon, thats what they do. They even have unique weapons for it. Like, I have a funny vision that something like aztecs become the meta of the game and most people play them because theyre just good, and then the game called TRENCH CRUSADE themed for WW1 crusades most popular faction has nothing to do with WW1 or the crusades. You want to be able to see that if a faction is popular it at least makes sense if they are made the guys on the cover, aztecs aint it.>>94582044Make them interesting. >they use a digerydoo as a musical instrument that causes fear or something>medical knowledge of herbs, they get reduced cost on medkits as they developed their own from foraging>lacks access to clerics, replaced with "gas guzzla" who spits fire in a flame thrower effect cone that replaces their "onwards christian soldiers" abilityYou can make anything work when you make reason to, the problem is aesthetics.
>>94582083who the fuck said they would be the main faction? and the aesthetic would work fine
I don't want to feed the troll, but just convert some models and use them as proxies of your favourite warband, or better, create your own kickstarter about a pseudo WWI alternative americas and fuck off
>>94582158listen here chuddy wuddy you can't make Aztecs evil alright? you just can't
>>94582158Thats not what I said, any faction in the game should be able to be on the cover and it not look out of place for what the game represents. If pic related is the sort of thing youre aiming for you could just make that your theme for a heretic warband.>worshippers of mammon>your good units wear gold decorations, besides that they are mud slappers>you can adorn them with feathers as they are apparently oppulent and flamboyant>kit them out appropriately, sacrificial knives etc>model your chorister to be standing on a mound of heads while being headless>your priest is wearing an ornate gold outfit covered in blood, equipped for melee rather than rangeLike, you can just do that, it doesnt need to be written into the lore with a template for it.
why is the fanbase for this game such fucking redditors
>>94582319A tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why aren't you helping?
>>94582319Go be a faggot elsewhere.
>>94582158Back in your containment thread, Slop Faggot.
>>94582549why do you ask gay ass questions from Blade runner
>>94582571try hard crusade is slop, cope and seethe faggot
>>94580077>controversyWhat controversy? There are 2.6 million nahuas (not counting the closely related peoples) alive today. Out of those the majority are too busy to care about some silly gringo (or should I say coyotl?) games. And the few that do care would probably be happy to be a playable and powerful faction, instead of being generic "savage" minions in yet another "coyotl traveller in jungle, trying to capture a golden idol, but being cought and prepared for sacrifice instead" cartoon or game. In any case, if at least one person that was "offended" over the aztec topic on TC discord was an actual aztec and not someone offended on the behalf of other people, then I'm the Queen of England.
>>94581104They fit as the "old" gods. The church of metamorphosis explicitly mentions gods (plural). Same for some of the Hell entries. While the TC paradigm is mostly monotheistic, it doesn't deny the possibility of existence of other...entities. Demons like Belzebub are already deities in all but name, and actually were deities in pre-Abrahamic times.
>>94581206>Human sacrificing daemon worshippers, and crusading conquistadors.Jaguar and eagle supersoldiers with futuristic macahuitls
can't decide if I should make my heretic priest a stabby fella that gets close to the enemy and pulls people out in the open to get shot or a shooty fella that lies back in cover sniping people with his good ranged stats and helping shove allies up the board
>>94582002>they would just look like the normal fucking guys with gunsThey wouldn't, as there wouldn't be much european influence. Different architecture, different clothing, not the same as in ancient times, but evolved completely different.The obsidian swords would probably evolve into chainswords, warhammer-style.
>>94583001pretty much all the demons mentioned in the old testament are God's from rival religions of the Jews enemies
