John Wick probably takes place in the World of Darkness desu.
>There's actually a secretly super powerful cabal of ruthless criminal organizations in charge of everything
>They have strange and enigmatic rules
>Like a good 10% of the population is actually assassins but everyone else just pretends not to notice anything

>>94556970
Agreed, from JW2 onwards stuff gets very, very World of Darkness coded.

>>94556970
The thing with WoD is that you can say pretty much anything is set in WoD.

>>94556986
>World of Darkness coded
Next you'll be saying that Harry Potter is Order of Hermes propaganda.

>TQ
"Vancouver: Dark Alliance" and "The Red Sign" books give good examples on how this can work out.

Can't find any references in CofD, so I hope to find some answer here:

Is CofD grid for movement/combat is Hex or Square? (or just "It's up to the ST" thing?)
WoD grid is Hex (as per Under a Blood Red Moon's succubus club and sewers grid that comes with the book), but can't find anything on CofD.

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>>94557002
Indeed it is, my fellow citizen.

Glad my superpowers were of help to many today.

>TQ

Techies and Tradies.

One of the characters (a techie) was a Nephandus infiltrated in the Amalgam and betrayed 'em a little before the Big Brawl at the end of the Chronicle.

Not a lot of people left after that big brawl but one of the characters (a tradie) Ascended after trying to become a living bomb to take out the Big Bad.

>>94557016
>Is CofD grid for movement/combat is Hex or Square? (or just "It's up to the ST" thing?)
It is up to the individual table.

>>94557016
I think Mirrors has rules for grid movement, and IIRC it's squares. It should be in the trove in the OP so check it out.

>TQ

Another one, this time STing Vampire for the first time.

A coterie of murderhobos, the PCs, became pariahs in the Camarilla after a string of unauthorized diableries and were facing an imminent Blood Hunt by the Prince.
They stumbled upon the torpid corpse of a local Anarch leader, and desperation met opportunity: they woke him up, backed his claim to Princehood, and forged an unlikely coalition of Anarchs, a few disillusioned Camarilla Kindred, and some Sabbat traitors.

Then they went full Red Wedding on the local Camarilla during an Elysium, either destroying or diablerizing the entire population (around 50 Kindred) and pinning the blame on the remaining Sabbat. To "avenge" their fallen Kindred, they launched a war on the Sabbat, wiping them out entirely through diablerie and destruction. Now they were the good guys, and everyone that could tell a different story was either in an ash urn or inside someone's tummy.

By the end of the first story, the players had pulled off a complete coup d'état, taking over the city simply by being the only ones dealing with the "scum" no one else wanted to touch. The cast-offs became indispensable.

The lesson here:
A healthy society cannot afford pariahs. It wasn’t the strong monkeys ruling the trees that evolved into humans - it was the weak ones, cast out to the ground, who had to improvise, adapt, and overcome, or die.

>>94554639
>>94557016
Pretty sure nwod/cofd don't actually use a grid, they work on real world 3D measurement. So it's an infinite resolution point based system, but characters don't actually take up space except by fiat.

I don't think Mirrors ever said anything about it.

>>94556301
>paradox killed cofd
OPP killed cofd, don't try to shift the blame lol

>>94556941
Now that I think about it, the Yerens are just Pentex’s attempt at Saiyans.

>>94557002
damn dude, you can hate the order like no one else, but holy fuck.
come on thats just beyond insulting to the order of hermes its beyond degrading to all magi no matter what sect. no one would say such inane faggotree. if you look up cringe in the dictionary, a photo of wtv harry potter book cover will be there
and no i'm not saying this because of the author, she is based. terrible writer mind you, but a wonderful person a very successful woman. sadly attacked by the most misogynistic woman hating sociopathic incels that live to degrade belittle subvert and destroy femininity with their main goal of setting womens rights back a century and tricking the public that woman. have massive shoulders huge jawlines caveman eyebrows endomorphic hips adams apples any breasts above a b cup are clearly implants and fake any bra size smaller than a 38 are unrealistic that the rare 1;5k ugly woman/tranny these woman in their reality are the norm. a woman standing 5'8 a slight hourglass shape with semi wide hips a 34 c bust oval face big lips bright eyes with puffy lashes and a small nose only 1:500k look like that.
oh wait right the honor of the order of hermes, what kind of evil true would compare it to harry potter and shill this to the masses.

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>>94557227
>>94557190
Mirrors grids are square. They're also an optional rule, though, so nWoD doesn't actually run on a square grid by default.

I doubt cofd has grid rules.

>>94557209
damn, I'm surprised that didn't crash and burn

>>94557336
>the most misogynistic woman hating sociopathic incels that live to degrade belittle subvert and destroy femininity
Yes, women!
Not even joking, they're the type of people that think they can scream until everyone lowers the bar rather than spend a crumb of that energy improving themselves.

>>94557336
>damn dude, you can hate the order like no one else, but holy fuck.
>come on thats just beyond insulting to the order of hermes its beyond degrading to all magi no matter what sect.
Dude, it is by no means inaccurate.

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DDD anon here, decided to base off the Serpos out of Beasts instead and gave them grappling skills.

>>94557445
... why tho?

so vtm 5th edition has been out since 2018.... its been nearly a decade. bunch of source books have came out since then nowhere near as many as owod in the same amount of time.

would you consider any of them good/worth reading the cost of these books are also fucking insane for the amount of pages it is.
i ask this because im looking over
blood stained love and literally physically cringed just at the cover then the 50$ price tag(equally offensive is charging 15$ for a fucking 20-50 page pdf which v5 has made the norm) and the synapses. honestly how on earth do you fail to understand what vtm is and keep pushing out bad content. when there is dozens and dozens of old books released in just a decade.

also who would you consider the most offensive publisher in terms of raping the lore/setting i mean yeah there is only 3. worst authors and why better yet what would you guys consider the worst of the worst for V5 so far. i really just cant read anything from v5 no matter how hard i try no matter what i just have to put it down. surely that has to be some good to come from V5 right....
i do find it funny how hunter is nowhere near as bad, its dull sure. but its wod i cast 50mm depleted urainuim at 9001rpm is pretty powerful no matter what you\re shooting at

>>94557445
Lil offtopic but Is DDD worth watching? I just see all the jokes about Balls but nothing that actually sold me into giving it a try.

>>94557479
>Lil offtopic but Is DDD worth watching?
it is pretty neat but you need to roll with it.

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>>94557479
Its basically X-Files with supernatural monster of the week shenanigans. I find it pretty fun

>>94557190
>>94557365
T.Hanks, anons. Gonna check out in more details!
And whelp, gonna change a few things for Hex grid then.

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>>94557515
Hmm I guess I'll be checking it soon. Me likes Ekkusu Fairu.

Thanks, Anon!

>>94557515
>Its basically X-Files with supernatural monster of the week
so sailor moon for boys??

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>>94557555
Nice trips.

I watched Sailor Moon when I was a kid. Sakura Card Captor, too.

Decent conversation starter with girls in school, and the anime was pretty good too, quite glad I gave it a shot.

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>>94557555
No, that'd be Princess: the Hopeful

>>94557567
i keep forgetting to read this and that other fan series. mahou shoujo in wod seems like it could be fun.

>>94557585
Honestly yeah they make perfect antagonists or play alongside other supernaturals. Particularly they're great with Beasts

>>94557567
What verion of the game is worth playing?

>>94557763
Dream version is the most complete

man this feels like a monkeys paw I really dont like cod or exalted stuff, but overall it looks fun.
granted its not like if paradox wrote their own version of a mahou shoujo in wod.
would love to see this it would be hilariously bad. watching them butcher the mahou shoujo genre, to the point even the japanese would start laughing and talking about how bad this is and why do western writers do shit like this. plus the fact it would be full of mahou shoujo(male)
not the funny/cute/cursed magical shotas which can be super entertaining.

when you have a 10-14 year old boy going wahhhhhhh what the fuck why am i faggot in a dress now why is everything so tight frilly and pink why am i wearing panties y-you mother fucker you said this would give me great power! where is my giant ass iron slab of a sword why am i not 6'6 350lb THIS CONTRACT IS VOID YOU LYING LITTLE SHI-on.. second... thought... y-yeah sure ok ill give this a try just put that down and stop looking at me like that... please.......
oh god please kill me this is so embarrassing how do i fight with this wand I HAVE TO SAY WHAT FOR A MAGICALLY ATTACK AND SAY IT LOUD FOR IT TO WORK you're a daemon i want to die i hope no one records this stop smiling you evil creature i should have never listen to you im a man this isn't funny WHAT DO YOU MEAN I WAS A MAN *panics looks to see if dick is still there*

wish there was more manga that did this, its a great concept damn i really wanna play a character like this spiraling more and more into depressin. doing any and everything they consider ultra masculine but somehow fucking up, constantly worried they're becoming gay and turning into a woman/tranny. till they finally break and accept their fate kinda going insane in the process of accepting their reality. as the familar they made this contract with isnt really evil it just loves playing tricks/fucking with people but makes sure they dont suffer completely

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>>94556941
>Planet of the Apes
obligatory

>>94557958
Bruh

>>94557982
Furries are weird, and also how you get monkeypox.

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>>94557302
Do you think if Dragon Ball (the original, not Z) had released in the US earlier like in 1991 or something we'd have had a Oozaru-type of shapeshifter in the World of Darkness? Not just a Weremonke but a Giant Weremonke.

Its not like the other anime that was available around that time period didn't influence the World of Darkness to a degree.

>>94557958
Would the current WoD really support mahou shoujo?

>>94558019
But what about the Crazy Monkey Sex, Anon?

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>>94557476
>>94557958

>>94557476
>would you consider any of them good/worth reading the cost of these books are also fucking insane for the amount of pages it is.
Not really. Most of the books have interesting parts but I dont remember any of them who were worth the read a whole outside the corebook and players guide.

>>94558028
no, most people who would give a shit about it would be because of fetish reasons.
look at the last couple seasons of popular anime and tell me a single one of them who fit the genera.

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>>94558212
Domina Magica - A Magical Girl RPG
Goal: U$ 47,110
Raised: U$ 10,000
842 backers
Finished funding in August 2018
Last update was 2 years ago. Project was never delivered.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1445739002/domina-magica-a-magical-girl-rpg

Trash Goblin Magical Girl RPG
Goal: U$ 4,100
Raised: U$ 7,855
194 backers
Finished funding in November 2024
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/residentbard/trash-to-treasure-a-trash-goblin-magical-girl-rpg/

Soldier Lune – A Magical Girl Tabletop Role-Playing Game
Goal: U$ 71,968
Raised: U$ 10,000
1,210 backers
Finished funding in October 2024. Surveys from Backerkit already sent to those who pledged it.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dyskami/soldier-lune-a-magical-girl-tabletop-role-playing-game/

>>94558366
I hope I am wrong.

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>>94558381
I wonder how many of the pledges for Soldier Lune came from the game's direct audience - young women and fans of magical girl media - and how many came from indirect consumers, i.e. men who see the game as a way to engage with female friends or partners.

Historically, products designed for one demographic often attract secondary markets due to their relational value. Think stuff like Animal Crossing and The Sims.

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I started to roleplay with ChatGPT and its surprisingly good at making a WoD game. More so for vampire and mage, less so for the other gamelines but I'm impressed. I never thought an app could GM this good.

>>94558509
What prompts did you use? How do you make it track all of the game mechanics?

>>94558513
I started to use the duckduckgo chat with gpt4-0 mini and asked it to roleplay a realistic vampire game using oWoD mechanics.
So far it has kept track out of almost everything, much better than AI dungeon ever did which was the closest thing I knew to a GM system.

>>94558509
GPT doesn't track your adventure's progress or plans it ahead of time.

With some level of human input, it could be fun to play with this thang.

>>94558551
I think its getting better, I don't remember it keeping track of things this well before either.

>>94558584
So.

How's your e-chronicle going?

>>94558599
I used dominate and it seems to have a good hang on the mechanics, a bit of confusion between editions but it seems similar mechanically to requiem

>>94558607
Yes but what about the story?

>>94556941
>Do you have any stories about making different groups work together?
In our fledgling chronicle I might be able to get a Camarilla-Werewolf alliance against the Sabbat because I don't smell like Wyrm to the wolves and the Shadow Lords aren't that bothered by the rest of my existence

On a lesser scale, we might be getting whatever clans Ventrue, Toreador and Brujah can mobilize, plus some illegal Assamites and an ananasi to all come kick a Serpent of Light's ass and rescue the Toreador Primogen

>>94558801
That seems like overkill

What kind of stat blocks would you use for a lesser demon minion of an infernalist? I've seen a few books mention that infernalists may have minor demons in their service, but no examples of what kind of stats or powers such a demon would have.

>>94559057
I would use Inferno for something like that but odds are a Mage familiar or Bygone would work better for you.

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the mask stays on

>>94556941
>TQ

Towards the end of a long VtM campaign we made an effort to bring other supernatural on board because we really needed more mystical oomph to re-seal an Abyss entity that a Methuselah was going to unleash. Stopping the Methuselah was not an option because Methuselah, so the plan was to re-seal it after and hope it took the Methuselah out first.

We brought in Werewolves (fairly metaplot/detail agnostic) in hope they could give insight into the native American ritual which required my Ventrue to talk her ass off, and they still ended up being a huge risk. We also brought in some mortal magic users (not Mage, we kinda made that one up on the fly). The coffee maker was the thing that kept it all from breaking down.

>TQ
A a small party of Vampires, we managed to befriend a Demon possessing a lovely and charitable old lady.
At some point the Society of Leopold decided to go scorched earth on our asses, they had not just the numerical advantage but they were armed to the teeth too.
Three relatively late gen vamps (Nosferatu, Toreador and Gangrel), two NPCs helping (the Prince's errand boy who had failed him and was sent to just die, a Tzimisce who we traded a favor with) and three very weak ghouls we honestly just took in as a joke vs an army of highly trained zealots with really good weaponry.
Two ghouls down, everyone else was heavily wounded and while the Inquisitors had suffered some losses they still had the upper hand.
Suddenly, a volley of gunshots came from behind us, shooting the advancing enemies. A militia made of hobos armed with scary good equipment (think the John Wick hobos) came to our aid, led by a sweet granny protected by some military looking guys.
Long story short, we managed to drive the Society of Leopold back. However, we now owed a frighteningly charismatic Demon a favor.

How to score Garou pussy?

>>94560369
Be Kinfolk
Failing that, be as Chad as you possibly can while also being fully willing to live as a stay-at-home Dad.

>>94557336
If the Order of Hermes was the only mage society, how would they differ from the Harry Potter beyond being a lot more edgy?
>>94560369
Be a kinfolk at the right place and the right time.

>>94560369
Join the followers of set

>>94560682
>Failing that, be as Chad as you possibly can while also being fully willing to live as a stay-at-home Dad
If they think that's the least shit place for your ticking time bomb of a baby to grow up. In 99% of cases you will either never see it again or die soon after their first change because the player couldn't be bothered to write a reason for you to continue living.

>>94560737
Why?

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>>94560749
One of, maybe the only faction with long term large scale alliances with woofs? BSDs have better relations with the temple than they do with pentex.

BSDs are also much more likely to be down with banging supernaturals and non-kinfolk.

>>94558931
>That seems like overkill
In our defense

Serpent of Light is an Elder and a Bishop with a city-sized domain, personally sabotaged those three clans with her voodoo, and she did just sneak into Camarilla territory, staked the Toreador Primogen in her own art gallery, and took her way off into Sabbat territory

Assamites aren't that numerous probably, maybe a full coterie, but they owe our coterie for killing our Setite (who was dating the Serpent of Light) and agreed to help us if we don't tell the Camarilla they just straight up assassinated a Cammie in Cammie territory (maybe even his own)

And I'm kinda dating the Ananasi and he agreed to help against the Serpent of Light in exchange for the dead Setite's bar.

>>94560761
They really tried everything to make someone care about the snakes didn't they?

>>94559422
I like how they designed the mask to be their "Clan" Symbol.
I was also in doubt if they would use this more modern symbol or the greco-roman themed mask. I prefer the second option.
But hey, the drawing is gorgeous!

>>94560762
Sounds like a decent justification for what was done.

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>>94559434
>The coffee maker was the thing that kept it all from breaking down.

God bless that brown juice

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>>94557002
Reminder, a Hermetic Mage compared.pared their education to Harry Potter and wondered if Rosling was a Hermetic Mage.

>>94560369
Have a shape-shifting benis

>>94560865
Does the order have its equivalent of Harry Potter? A kid with prophecy and possibly a scar, kinda good at everything but is mainly carried by destiny being on his side.

>>94560791
No? They're the wyrm-cult vampire splat and they're spiritualists, of course they're allied to the BSDs. You've just taken irrationally against the sneks because, like all vtmfags, you're retarded.

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>>94560865
God I hate my phone.
>>94560871
Technically yes, they have the future strongest Archmage in their midst. (At least Prime 10 and Time 10)
His plotline goes that his current teacher is the student of his future Archmage self. Thus he is his own Grandmaster and Grandstudent.

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>>94560791
>"Sneks ar best"
>"Signed:"
>"Not Snek"
>That'll work

>>94559422

This VTES card is actually two MtG cards in a trenchcoat

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>>94560897
OG Mage Cosmology is straight when it says the World of Darkness exists because the Pure One shattered and created the cosmos, and the Avatar are shards of this Pure One.

The Prime Sphere is essentially being able to connect to this Pure Stuff.

This is on the first chapter of 1st edition.

If this sounds familiar, it's because it's the exact same cosmology John Tobias came up for Mortal Kombat, before NRS butchered it.

>>94560791
>They really tried everything to make someone care about the snakes didn't they?
I honestly pity the Setites and how ToJ just straight up says "their belief doesn't fit with Book of Nod/Caine lore so we won't give two shits about them here"

Which is about as much thought that was put into creating them in the first place...

Is there a snake-themed Gangrel (or Daeva with Protean) bloodline in Requiem?

>>94560882
It's not an irrational dislike, I just don't really click with the clan as an ST or player because of how redundant and flat they feel most of the time. The only things that keeps them relevant is the Egyptian esthetic and how other factions use them as ontological evil antagonists.
They read like a vestige someone was supposed to rework but didn't.

>>94560931
I like the animal, I just wish the clan was more interesting.

>>94560943
Everything is a Magic card in a trenchcoat.

>>94560962
>Is there a snake-themed Gangrel (or Daeva with Protean) bloodline in Requiem?
There are a couple of them in 1e IIRC. One of them had a whole discipline about supernatural poisoning but they ran out of ideas after the third power/devotion.

>>94560993
It's almost like it was a very influential game that established a lot of TCG norms.

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>>94560962
>Is there a snake-themed Gangrel (or Daeva with Protean) bloodline in Requiem?
Yes, multiple I think, but if you're looking for not!serpentis you're probably better off with Amphivena.

The actual heartblood of the settite cultshit and egyptian stuff was used as the scaffold for mekhet, though.

>>94560984
FoS are perfectly relevant in cross-splat games, the irrationality is clinging onto VtMslop in the first place.

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>>94561003
Not bad for a Truco spin-off.

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>>94560993
and some Magic cards are VtES mechanic in a trenchcoat

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>>94560990
Me too.

>>94561009
Don't you understand the gripe most people have with them is how there's almost no reason to use them in the game line they are from? And even if you want to use them as antagonists literally any other clan or bloodline does make for more interesting antagonists unless you are playing them as India Jones.

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>>94561009
Bad Anon!

Apes together strong.

Have a Bonk.

>>94561040
>Don't you understand the gripe most people have with them is how there's almost no reason to use them in the game line they are from?
No? It's complete nonsense. They are:
>camarilla pathfags
>cammie mages that don't have to deal with the pyramid
>independents
>a obfuscate/presence clan without the rider of the malk/nosferatu weakness
There is "no reason" to use them just like there is "no reason" to use gangrel or nosferatu. But there is nothing stopping you from using them.

>>94561099
Bruh

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>>94561040
I think the Setites were supposed to be more important, with the whole Children of Osiris and Mummy thing that was going on at the time, but later got dropped or something.

Someone who's more knowledgeable about Old School White Wolf can probably help here.

>>94561123
They have plenty of ties with other game lines and a few plot lines under them. They just lack a sense of impact because despite what they have done and what they are capable of their reasons for doing anything feel stale. They are basically the Baali with a different hat.

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>>94561154
Yeah I remember when first reading about 'em back when I was a kid, that was the impression that I got. That the Baali were Coke and the Setites were Coke Diet.

And I don't like Coke Diet.

>>94561154
>>94561225
There's no indication that setites are in any way similar to the baali, though?

>>94560962
>Is there a snake-themed Gangrel (or Daeva with Protean) bloodline in Requiem?
Gorgons are the main snake Bloodline but they're a Venture. In 1e they're in Circle of the Crone and get Amphivena as a Disciple that, like Serpentis, is largely snake-Protean but it's got a few unique elements. They get a 2e update in Bloodlines the Devoted where they now just have Protean but retain access to Amphivena as their Bloodline Gift. It's now a style Merit that keys off of Animalism and Protean and each dot adds additional effects to various powers. They also get a couple of Devotions to replicate some of 1e's Amphivena. Thats just a mechanical update but when the Revised version of that book is out they'll get a whole new version, likely with a new take on the mechanics.

>>94561241
Let's see some of the big similarities.
>Infernalists
>Associated with the ancient Middle East
>Poach people from other Clans
>Poorly written clan disciplines
>Ontologically Evil

>>94561297
>OPP shills are now outright just calling their unreleased homebrew an official part of the same game as nwod
Can't make this shit up

>>94561310
>Infernalists
Setites aren't infernalists
>Poach people from other Clans
Setites don't change people's clans
>Poorly written clan disciplines
Is there a clan discipline that isn't?
>Ontologically Evil
Setites are right

>>94561324
But you did make it up

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>>94561241
>>94561310
>>94561324

The Followers of Set weren’t a playable Clan in 1st Edition.

Back then, they were primarily antagonists, depicted as Ebil Bambires worshiping the World of Darkness’ version of the Egyptian Devil. As far as I could find, there are no official rules for playing as a Setite in 1st Edition.

If you wanted to play an Egyptian Vampire in 1st Edition, the only option was the Children of Osiris, *not* the Setites. The Children of Osiris were a rare group of Vampires attempting to reject their cursed nature, but they were super Goodie-Two-Shoes compared to the dark intrigue typical of the setting.

The Setites only became playable later in 2nd Edition, after they received a significant nerf in how Ebil they were portrayed. Around the same time, the Children of Osiris were quietly discontinued, likely because their over-the-top wholesomeness clashed with the tone of the World of Darkness.

Studying Mummy is fun!

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>>94561343
Is this "Revised Edition" in the room with us now?

>>94561404
Toppen Keken, kompis.

>>94561404
A product not being "out" means it is yet to be released for sale. Meaning, in this instance, the book has been announced but is not yet finished. I hope that clarifies it for you.

>>94561297
I know NMD VTR2e material tries to reduce the number of exclusive Disciplines and spread them between merits and devotions, but damn... They make being part of a Bloodline be expensive as hell XP-wise.

>>94561442
Homebrew by an unrelated third party isn't a part of the game it is homebrew for, lil bro.

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Other than the Tremere being from Ars Magica and the Setites being from Mummy, do we have any other clans/bloodlines that arguably came from different games?

I mean. Other than the Nosferatu, Gangrel and Ventrue being from Masquerade and showing up on Requiem.

The more you look into it, the World of Darkness isn't made for cross-overs. The World of Darkness IS cross-overs.

>>94561460
Merits and Devotions are cheaper than Disciples, it's only more expensive if all you want is the unique stuff because otherwise it's way cheaper. Especially because 1e had multiplicative costs. Most of them are getting free stuff too. Although this is just a 2e thing, NMD continues the design trend but didn't invent it.

>>94561472
Then what game is it for? Which game do you need to first have before you can use it?

>>94561502
>cross_overs.gif
>doesn't show a crossover

>>94561507
It's not a 2e thing, it's how e.g. melissidae was in nwod.
>Merits and Devotions are cheaper than Disciples, it's only more expensive if all you want is the unique stuff because otherwise it's way cheaper.
It's way more expensive to buy 11 devotions and four merits than one discipline in cofd.

>>94561525
Huh

That's Noctis from Final Fantasy fighting Eddie Gordo in Tekken.

I tried finding a cross-up but the best I could muster was a uppercut-like attack

>>94561514
Why don't you try reading the posts you're replying to? It doesn't matter what game your homebrew is for, your homebrew isn't part of that game and, little timmy, when people talk about that game, they aren't talking about your homebrew.

>OPP "staff" are able to shit up this thread all day every day because after WW fired them they're all unemployed
grim

>>94561528
>I tried finding a cross-up but the best I could muster was a uppercut-like attack
If you delay the jump kick on a mishima it doesn't launch and combos. If they're against the wall kazuya can cross-up and when he lands he lands infront (and facing them) and can just combo like normal from there. Akuma and geese can just do it midscreen afaik.

>That's Noctis from Final Fantasy fighting Eddie Gordo in Tekken.
T7 had guest charactes in the actual story though, so it's not really a cross over. They're just part of tekken.

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>>94561572
>T7 had guest charactes in the actual story though, so it's not really a cross over. They're just part of tekken.

Ah I see your point now.

Yes, on a second thought, I agree: you are correct, this is not a cross over.

Those are guest characters, like the MK ones... but well done and properly integrated into the story.

>>94561525
>It's not a 2e thing, it's how e.g. melissidae was in nwod.
Of course it's a 2e thing, there weren't any Bloodline remakes in 1e AFAIK. Those only happened for 2e rules with things like the Khaibit that took the Obtenebration Discpline and made it into a Devotion set. NMD is just continuing the trend. Melissid Animalism isn't comparible because what we're talking about isn't things like Melissid Animalism existing, it's things like Amphivena the Discpline existing in 1e and being Amphivena the Merit/Devotions in 2e.

>It's way more expensive to buy 11 devotions and four merits than one discipline in cofd.
If you can find me a Bloodline that turned a Discipline into 11 Devotions and 4 Merits you'll have a point.

>>94561531
>Implying you have anything worth reading

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>>94561531
>>OPP "staff" are able to shit up this thread all day every day because after WW fired them they're all unemployed

Ouch!

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C'mon insult each other up with words for my amusement instead of trying to find common ground and have a good discussion.

Go, plebs. Entertain me.

>>94561610
At least give us a knife (topic) so we can stab one another in the face (bitch about for 70+ posts)

>>94561724
I was enjoying the whole archaeology excavation on the past of the Setites.

In general, 1st edition stuff is always interesting to discuss 'cuz most people didn't read it. Many weren't even born when it came out.

>>94561745
>I was enjoying the whole archaeology excavation on the past of the Setites
That is an interesting part of vampirism the game rarely does anything with besides "X historical figure was a vampire the whole time". I guess they knew that they couldn't write an interesting character out of someone trying to piece history as it unfolds, like how there were ancient Egyptian archeologists later on their history.
>>94561745
>1st edition stuff is always interesting to discuss 'cuz most people didn't read it. Many weren't even born when it came out.
Most people can't be bothered to comb through a book for the stuff that didn't make it to future editions. Most of the time the stuff you notice isn't all that interesting.

>>94561813
>Most people can't be bothered to comb through a book for the stuff that didn't make it to future editions
Many 1st and 2nd edition lore and mechanics made it all the way 20th simply because WW authors were too lazy to update it. The suggested powers by level for True Faith 6+ can only be found in the original Hunter Hunted for example.
Another example is the example 10th-dot powers for various disciplines. They only show up in vampire 2e.

On the subject of true faith, anyone else notice that DA:Inquisitors don't operate on True Faith at all?
They basically function as imbued sorcerers on a variant of road of heaven. If you you look into the deep lore of what Lucifer is doing around this time, I think the Inquisition is basically Lucy's gourmet version of the imbued(who're leagues better than the messenger's version, because Lucy is a show-off).

>>94561724
How about we rage again about Curseborne and how it doesn't belong in this thread?

>>94561940
Why can't we just come together to do something fun instead of pissing and moaning about stupid shit that only pisses everyone off?
For example: what's a character build or concept you always wanted to play but either never had a chance or one you know no ST would ever allow?

>>94561899
Yeah but you are searching for something specific. I'm mostly talking about how most people don't take a random book from 1 or 2e and start mining for ideas unless they heard about a tidbit they would find useful. In other words, who the fuck would start reading Milwaukee by Night out of the blue?

>>94561899
>Hunter Hunted
That reminds me of the terrible formatting of early edition books. I'm glad writers don't randomly mix the lore and important mechanics in the same section anymore.

>>94561922
I wonder why they felt the need to give player power rules they might actually use. Jokes aside True Faith is stupidly expensive and most of the effects aren't helpful to the game.

>>94561978
It's very fluffy though, and as an ST I appreciated the time when writers weren't such lazy shitbags that they put "IDK. Figure it out, LMAO" in important npc's stat blocks.

>>94561973
Kek
>>94561953
>what's a character build or concept you always wanted to play but either never had a chance or one you know no ST would ever allow?
I had this sketch for a solo game about a Caitiff being hunted down by the Tremere because he rediscovered "The Corpse in the Monster" path of necromancy and had a Dhampir child.
The problem is how little conflict there was given the set up.

>>94561996
It is always amusing to see a priest getting stoned or shot because he thought he couldn't be harmed.

>>94562009
>Tremere
Wouldn't the giovanni be better?
Could even have them politically slander the character as an infernalist(because how else could they learn secret magic?)

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>>94561953
>Why can't we just come together to do something fun instead of pissing and moaning about stupid shit that only pisses everyone off?

Apes together strong!

>what's a character build or concept you always wanted to play but either never had a chance or one you know no ST would ever allow?

I always felt curious about having a character that used some sort of artificial limb/limbs in a vein similar to the little girl from Elfen Lied. Not that any ST ever forbade me from doing it, I just never felt comfortable playing a character like that. I ST a lot and even on my own games I never mustered the courage to introduce a character with a gimmick like that.

>>94561957
>who the fuck would start reading Milwaukee by Night out of the blue?
Idk, if you only have 3 TTRPG books at home, Core Book, Players Guide, and Milwaukee By Night and you've read the other two, I suppose the next in line is obvious.

Which is re-reading the core book lol

>>94561973
>That reminds me of the terrible formatting of early edition books. I'm glad writers don't randomly mix the lore and important mechanics in the same section anymore.

Humanity is spread in like three secions on Masquerade 1st Edition, it confused me a little bit when I first read the book.

>>94562017
>It is always amusing to see a priest getting stoned

Dude weed lmao

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>>94561813
>Most of the time the stuff you notice isn't all that interesting.

I suppose. I've been reading up on some 1st Ed stuff recently (Mummy has been a recurring topic here) and what I noticed is that a lot of concepts are either compressed in 1st edition, or de-compressed in later ones, depending on how you see it, in the sense of "Here's what Golconda Is" instead of having an entire book about what it is and how to reach it while simultaneously offering very similar amount of real information as a couple of columns from an older core book.

>>94561899
>Many 1st and 2nd edition lore and mechanics made it all the way 20th simply because WW authors were too lazy to update it.
If it ain't broken, why fix it?

Nice dubs btw.

>>94561940

No.

>>94562040
>Wouldn't the giovanni be better?
Probably, I just used the Tremere because of how versatile they are and how easy it is to go apeshit with them.
As for the political shenanigans, those matter a lot less when you are already on the edges of society and half prepared to fuck off.
Sure their Haven was torched and the bank accounts went to shit as soon as there was a serious effort put to hunt them but by that point they already had taken a buss to another town after killing the ghoul sent to capture them.
The only thing I could think of to keep the game going was putting a lupine on the same buss as the family but it sounded like a retarded angle to have him kill them in the middle of the of half full buss.

>>94561953
>Why can't we just come together to do something fun instead of pissing and moaning about stupid shit that only pisses everyone off?
We have a dedicated troll people can't stop engaging with

>>94562098
>Spoiler
Kek

>>94561953
>what's a character build or concept you always wanted to play but either never had a chance or one you know no ST would ever allow?

always wanted to play a methuselah, no particular clan but a concept built on irony, like a virtuous roman senator turning into a rampant schizo larping as a gaulic priest due to mindbreaking. most STs i played with always got turned off by low gen elders, some of them are so autistic that they get scared of having a 9-10th gen in their game (even though players can often engage in high-scale drama, whether it's takedown of camarilla or a massive shootout with explosives)

also, i always wanted to try out mummy. idk why but the concept sounds fun

>>94561953
>what's a character build or concept you always wanted to play but either never had a chance or one you know no ST would ever allow?
I've always wanted to play a Competent infernalist. Not an edgy loser who worships demons, not some idiot that got conned, not some 2 dimension Eviiiiiiil stereotype, just a competent businessman who can navigate contracts and deals with demons the way he would a partnership with a rival company.
The big asterisk in all the "You will absolutely, Definitely live a short life, Die Horribly and be Tortured Forever" signs to infernalism is that there are a hundred ways around it with ever type of demon. A knowledgable demonologist can absolutely profit and with happy backers too.

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>>94562161
Physical Distribution: I don't read the books I buy and occasionally remember they exist when I trip over my unread pile of shame.
Digital Distribution: I don't read the books I buy and I completely forget they even exist until its time to clean my hard drive.

It's like a reverse Marie Kondo for procrastination: This didn't spark joy, because I forgot it existed.

>>94561953
>For example: what's a character build or concept you always wanted to play but either never had a chance or one you know no ST would ever allow?
I have a few funni Caitiffs in mind. Like a Tremere-embraced Caitiff with Thaumaturgy, Vicissitude and Obeah; a Kiasyd-embraced with Dementation, Chimerstry and Mytherceria; and a Gangrel-embraced with Protean, Spiritus and Animalism (fake werewolf)

There's also the Caitiff with Obeah who grows a third eye during the campaign, turning his unlife upside down

The Gargoyle detective (possibly a sheriff) with Thaumaturgy to interrogate objects and/or plants

A Giovanni deserter taking refuge with (and blood-bound to) the Tremere...

>>94562207
>there are a hundred ways around it with every type of demon
Like what? Every system I've fucks you harder than a cult of ecstacy tantric guru on meth.

>>94562433
>I've fucks you harder than a cult of ecstacy tantric guru on meth
At least buy me dinner first anon.

>>94562433
If you want a list by type, the methods are:
>High umbral Demons(Mage&VtM):
Just don't make a soul or life pact, every other pact can be made an infinite amount of times. If your patron gets uppity find a new one. Their literal in-book reason for making deals with people they know are already going to hell is "a cookie you steal from someone else is better than a cookie you find". They're more than happy to take in turncoats from their rivals(and then get surprise-pikach-face when the known turncoat turns on them).
>Yama Kings(KotE):
It doesn't have to be your soul you sell. Yama kings already sell to each other and western deoms. Losing soul-pieces isn't necessary for the process of investments either, they're just currency.
>Fallen(DtF)
Don't bother. The powers you get are pathetic and your employer might randomly eat your soul if they get into hot water.
>Earthbound(DtF)
Ironically the safer option to deal with. They can't ravage you and there are only drawbacks if you deal with the same one repeatedly. It costs one permanent willpower each time though, so still deall sparingly.
>Fallen(Devils Due)
Absolutely worth the effort, but with major drawbacks. You'll need to slowly work your way up, but you'll eventually be able to rival the demons that made you(and from then, plotting your masters permanent destruction is forgone).
>Fomori Possession(freaks legion and Possessed)
Buy Brain Eater. That's it.
Mindbreak some squirrels for thousands of free xp and laugh as the bane burried in unending autonomy.
It boggles my mind that they accidentally printed the most powerful ability in WoD, and then Copy/Pasted it with no edits when they had the chance to update.
>Spectre Cults
Not worth bothering in wraith 20. Pre-20 this was the 2nd most powerful type of infernalist in the game with the option just having a being score. Being dice are added tovwillpower rolls, increase your pool of temp willpower, and give you the ability to Permanently Kill Anything
[1/2]

>>94562745
[2/2]
>spectre cult cont
Having a Being score makes you able to be a better infernalist of every oth type too. If your patron becomes inconvenient and they happen to be anything else than a high-umbral incarna? Just Eat Them.
The explicitely includes your first spectral "master" as well.
In Wraith 20? Your just a ghoul, but worse.
>Nephandi
See "High Umbral Demons". These are the idiots that gave in and made soul pacts
>Bhaali
Not worth it exception in Very specific circumstances. Bhaali elders can gain the benefits of demonic deals by spending xp rather than dealing with bullshit from a patron, which is amazing, but gaining accessto 6th dot disciplines is a sysiphean task alone.
>Ghouling
You're only slightly better than a spectre cultist without a being score. Pathetic.

>>94562745
>>94562822

Not the original Anon here, but Damn.

Thank you Based Encyclopediaman.

That was a very informative read.

>>94561037
>Setiti Twister.

>>94562745
>Spectre Cults Nerf
Another thing to add to the pile of reasons to hate WtO20. Fuckers used to be terrifying.
The fact spectres could just fuvking no-sell any immortal creature was part of the entire "Soldiers of Oblivion" theme, but modern WW didn't understand that I guess.

Is it Goatboy's fault that CIA Chicken Man somehow ascended?

>>94561922
I always took the DA: Inquisitors as an attempt to retroactively codify True Faith into a legit powerset rather than a kinda vague fiat power system.

>>94562339
Kek

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>>94562940
Gave me a good giggle there.

>>94561123
Basically, War on Terror + anti-exoticism took the Egypt Jyhad from center stage to a footnote. Egypt was still really cool to 90s goths. The Cainite myth really took off with Second Edition, but became the accepted truth of the setting then.

>>94563027
NTA, BUT If it was, I don't think they succeeded. Its missing the extra willpower points/dice mechanic to represent the depth of convictions and added a new dice system entirely to virtues. The miracles I could somewhat buy if they didn't put the "Repel Vampires" into advanced abilities when that's the litetal 1st power of true faith.

>>94562946
What are you talking about anon? Wraith never got an anniversary edition. A shame too, there's a lot of mechanics that could have been cleaned up.

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>>94562745
>So spectre Being function like an edgy "True Faith" score?
>Wait,
>Like True Faith in Oblivion...
Why did I only figure this out now?

>>94563291
That's a new talking point.
Anons. What's a mechanic you originally thought was stupid only to go look again years later and realize had a lot of depth you were too stupid to understand at first?

>>94563384
I don't remember any of the top of my head, the closest thing to that feeling was when I understood some fighting style synergies.

>>94562745
Public reminder, don't fuck with infernalists: >>94502412 #

>>94563384
Garou gifts in general. I originally thought that werewolves started out strong compared to other splats, but fell off as xp accumulated because none of the indivifual gifts impressed me the way individual powers in other splats did(mummy erasing people from existence as a 5 dot for example).
Then anons a couple threads back pointed out how werewolves having dicepools that'd cause an Antedeluvian to go pale was pretty normal and I finally understood werewolf was more built around gift combos than individual powers.

>>94563616
>none of the indivifual gifts impressed me the way individual powers in other splats did
To be fsir anon, I've yet to see a splat that had an answer to "Paws of the Newborn Cub".

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>>94563226
Very interesting.

The mere idea that there was a time when the Cainite myth wasn't super set in stone is quite alien to me nowdays.

Thank you Based Encyclopediaman.

>>94563533
>don't fuck with infernalists
Yes. You can't consent to being a pizza.

>>94502412
>just a reminder that while the weakest creatures in OWoD cosmology are un-splatted humans, the absolute strongest creatures in said cosmology are Also unsplatted humans.

Of course it is.

Those pesky, Super Biased Developers made the splat that they belong to IRL the strongest one, baka.

Now, being serious here: Mortals are the strongest splat in game because they're the one that is closer to the image of the in-game God, the ST and the players.

Which I suppose is the same thing I said above, but in a different wrapping paper..

>>94562822
>Bhaali elders can gain the benefits of demonic deals by spending xp rather than dealing with bullshit from a patron
Wouldn't that mean a bhaali elder could repeated buy thr 6th dot("free deal"?) Power to gain dots above their generation limit?

>>94563689
Yeah honestly they should've made that one a rank 6 gift. A group of Elder Silver Fangs would turn any methuselah or even ante into a helpless mortal for an entire battle with that gift. It doesn't even cost permanent gnosis, meaning a bystander could use it 10 times in a row.

>>94563828
Yes.
However, that would also require said bhaali has a functioning brain; a rarity among that clan I assure you.

>>94562745
You missed one infernalistanon.
>Demon Lords(Book of Madness)
These are higher tier High Umbral demons. Their deals function exactly the same as Yama King deals, except if you're a mages they cut your fucking balls off and gilgul you. If you aren't a mage, You Can Buy Mage Spheres.

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>>94563804
>WoD God:Makes humans humans in his image and gives them infinite potential
>Turns out the safest and most reliable way to reach that potential is infernalism

Now that the dust has settled, Curseborne: Worthy successor to nWoD or just more OPPslop?

Bonus points if you post excerpts/play examples/comparisons.

>>94564411
Nice dubs.

Fastest way to reach infinite potential is to sleep with the ST's self-insert stand-in character in game.

Immediate benefits

>>94564443
So close to quads here

Worthy successor? Nope. Not even the World of Darkness was a worthy successor to the World of Darkness.

But it might be a decent game. We'll have to wait and see. A game is not just the game, there's everything around it too - spin offs, homebrews, community, events etc.

This thread is dubbing like crazy.

>>94561386
>first book released after first edition core is the Player's Guide
>has rules for Setites
>Player's Guide
>as in a guide for Player's
Sounds to me like you could play Followers of Set nearly from the outset.

>>94564562
I couldn't find the 1st Edition's Player's Guide in the Mega folder, Anon.

I tried looking for it in the Mummy book and the Storyteller's Handbook and those don't have rules for 'em. You have some stuff about Serpentis on the ST's Handbook but not much about the clan itself.

>>94564595
I don't even know if a Player's Guide 1st Edition exists. The oldest one I could find in the Mega Folder is from 2nd Edition - which I do own a physical copy of.

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>>94564615
>>94564595
>>94564562

Update: yes it does exist and yes it does has the rules for the Setites and I am stupid for not having looked on the wiki first.

Thanks for the correction, Anon.

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>>94564595
>>94564615
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/The_Players_Guide
It's this one. Look through the archives again, I just got it from one of them.
If you're just interested in Setites, I'll save you the effort.

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>>94564630
Some of the repositories can be really obtuse to find what you're looking for in, so no sweat.

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>>94564648
Yeah I found about it on the wiki page. I'm gonna look through the other Mega and the Mediafaia there see if I can find it.

>Sand-Snakes
Damn, Oberyn Martell fathered a whole clan?

>>94564669
Obtuse or not, it wouldn't have hurt to double check if there wasn't a Player's Guide 1st edition. That's one of the reasons the Wiki is for.

The book is actually listed as missing on the txt in the repo but I used the repo's search function instead of navigating through its folders.

>>94561531
Man, you sure are obsessed with being stupid, aren't you?

>>94564648
>>94564657
>>94564669
>>94564677
>>94564683

Alright I finished reading all of it. It's on par with what I remembered from 2nd edition

As a matter of fact, comparing with the book I have here, I think it's the exact same text. Im not gonna compare it word for word but if it's not exactly the same it's almost exactly the same.

Now what >>94561899 said makes more sense.

Thank you Based Book Scavenger Anon.

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>>94564746
That bitchslap stopped almost half a day ago Anon.

Please don't restart it.

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>>94564516
This is a special thread.
RNGesus is watching over us, guiding the WoD fanbase into the Promised Land of mutual cooperation.

>>94564870
We should call ourselves the "WoDMummies"

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>>94564881
The undisputed Good Guys of the World of Darkness.

Makes sense.

Also.

Mummy rhymes with funny.

>Breed? Homid
>Auspice? Theurge
>Tribe? Shadow Lord
Yep, it’s Werewolf: The Apocalypse™ time.

>>94564981
Most broken shadowlord build Go!

>>94564981

If you were playing a WeeWoo game and didn't knew which Auspice to pick, would you rather:

1) pick whatever moon you were born in
2) pick whatever moon's out last nigh/tonight

>>94565218
>Option 1
More immersive. What better way to relate to the Garou than also getting assigned a role you had no choice in, but are now supposed to fulfill to the best of your ability? Fair warning, most players are going to be Theurges and Galliards.

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>>94558615
Pretty good, I even made a mix between Elden Ring and Mage, asking it to combine the system mechanics of Mage: the Ascension with the spheres system and its able to keep track of my attributes and what spheres I got available.
>I evaluate what Spheres I got available to use at the time. Remind me, what is my magic capable of
>Your Spheres and Abilities:
>Mind (3):
>You can manipulate thoughts, emotions, and perceptions. This allows you to communicate with spirits, influence the minds of others, and sense the mental states of those around you. You can also create illusions or alter memories to some extent.
>Matter (1):
>You have basic control over physical objects and materials. This allows you to manipulate the environment to a limited degree, such as reshaping or altering objects, but your capabilities in this sphere are not as advanced.
>Spirit (2):
You can interact with and summon spirits, as well as influence their actions. This sphere allows you to call upon the spirits for assistance, gain knowledge from them, or even bind them to your will for a time.
>Prime (1):
>You have a basic understanding of the fundamental forces of magic. This allows you to sense magical energies, understand the nature of spells, and potentially disrupt or enhance magical effects.
As disadvantages I'd say its that the version I'm playing with is cucked so I can't say "I kill" or "I shoot" because it thinks I intend to do it irl and tells me it can't do that. Same if I even imply I want to get sexual with the characters.
Another disadvantage is that unless I tell it to make the chronicle dangerous, it will keep creating new stuff to happen and its surprisingly creative but it lacks danger unlike a GM who can truly kill a character. Again not sure if its because its a censored model or its builtin with that limitation.
I'm tempted to download my own LLAMAGPT uncensored AI and test playing WoD.

>>94564061
>You Can Buy Mage Spheres.
Doesn't give you an arete score though.

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>>94565370
>As disadvantages I'd say its that the version I'm playing with is cucked so I can't say "I kill" or "I shoot" because it thinks I intend to do it irl and tells me it can't do that.

Interesting, but it also gave me an idea. Try substituting one system with another analogous one.

For example, instead of characters dying, they could "dematerialize" into a puff of smoke when their Health Boxes fill with aggravated/lethal damage. It's a shift from a life-and-death system to a materialization-dematerialization mechanic. No deaths, no censorship issues. It's the World of Darkness, and with the Umbra out there, it kind of actually fits.

The same logic works for weapons.
No AK-47s - now it's a KA-74, a handheld seed planter that shoots magical seeds to reduce the materialization level of those it hits.

Lewd stuff? You can swap sexy time for dancing time.

Or you can just sign with one of those GF AI applications and use that particular application for those purposes since I doubt you can find a analogous system to Flirting, but IMO this solution lacks in dignity, and I have my Saiyan Pride.

I don't have patience for those things but if you give it a try, let us know how it goes, Anon. I'm actually quite curious now.

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>>94565370
>>94565556
Damn I almost Quaded now.

If the Seed Planter still triggers problems because of the Shooting verb, you can prooooooobably get away with swapping guns for Spray Paint canisters.

Then you're not shooting, you're just spraying-and-praying.

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>>94565370
>Mind 3
>Matter 1

I see what you did there.

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WHERE'S THE COMPENDIUMS FOR FOUNDRY WOD5E???? I DONT WANNA IMPORT THIS BLOODSUCKING NIGGERSHIT FROM SCRATCH BECAUSE ((THEY)) WON'T HAND OVER A LICENSE

>>94565605
You know, the character sheets from MtAs 1e & 2e used to have Mind over Matter for this very reason, but none of you plebs APPRECIATED IT!!! Revised and so on now list them in the proper alphabetical order.

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>>94565635
>You know, the character sheets from MtAs 1e & 2e used to have Mind over Matter for this very reason, but none of you plebs APPRECIATED IT!!!
I did! I noticed the first time I played it and repeated that joke multiple times.

>Revised and so on now list them in the proper alphabetical order.
You would be surprised. Except you won't.

>>94565772
(Those are the official ones, FYI)

If I kill myself, what are the chances I’ll become a Wraith?

>>94565840
Zero.

Don't do it Anon.

>>94565556
It does work! If I tell her I "take care" of my enemies, then the system interprets it as me killing them or chopping them with my sword.
I also tried the "she flashes her opponent" and it started to play a lewd scene without intending to. Its fun to play with the limits of AI but I want to play with a fully customizable open source one.
I'm surprised, I just got a set of friends and the game is keeping track of their stats for me.

>>94565840
Believe it or not, 100%. But, it’s also 1000% certain you’ll be soul forged shortly after being reaped from your caul.

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>>94565846
Paid DMs/STs BTFO, ChatGPT's coming for their jobs too.

>The Syndicate WON
>The status quo is PRESERVED
>The Time Table is still on schedule
Now they just have wait on the NWO to finish their job of making the shooter look like a nutjob to the Masses.
Just like they did with Ted Kaczynski.

>>94565889
Honestly this may be the holy grail and the solution to all those problems finding a group wanting to roleplay an obscure or unpopular chronicle. I welcome our chatgpt overlords...I mean, GM's

>>94558509
>>94565909
>The Anon tries not to fall to the same folly as Iteration X Challenge (Impossible)

>>94565893
The NWO is a lot more nuanced than that. You are missing the big picture.

The CEO got offed at the same time the NYC Subway guy was found not Guilty.

Those two guys are vigilantes but one of 'em killed a wealthy white guy and the other killed a black dude.

And lemme tell you it's not violence against the wealthy that's gonna end up normalised.

>>94565928
Iteration X is just the Celestial Chorus with the One replaced with AI. I’m sorry, I mean Computer.

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>>94565928
>>94565893
If the Syndicate can provide reliable chatgpt masturbation aids dungeon master applications and a stable job, I don't see what the crazy blood letting Verbena can offer me that would make me side with the traditions over the Technocracy.
Honestly they're pretty based.

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>>94565947
>I don't see what the crazy blood letting Verbena can offer me that would make me side with the traditions over the Technocracy.

You lack imagination. Pic related.

>>94565931
If the NWO were involved, they wouldn't let Weegee get to court. The mere potential that a jury refuses to find him guilty would break everything.

>>94565893
>Ted Kaczynski
That was Pentex’s problem.

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>>94566021
That's the point.

Cops got way too much heat these past few years and you can't install a police state when everyone hates the pigs.

The shooting of the CEO is a piece of fillet mignon thrown to the other side of the fence to convince 'em that meat is good, despite the murder.

Not to get political, but think the January 6/Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone correlation and you'll understand.

Pic extremely related.

>>94566050
Was he a Shadow Lord kinfolk, or a Garou that repressed ever having a first change?

>>94566052
I see what you're saying now, I guess I just don't agree. We'll see how it all rolls out, but let's hope Luigi has some dots in Mind and Correspondence.

>>94566096
I hope I'm wrong, this is a very cynical reading of the situation but so is the System.

They'll try to pin it on him because Luigi spent the entirety of December 9th here shitposting with us in /WoDG/. We know he's innocent but the NWO will try to pin this atrocious loss of human life on us Anons again.

>>94565218
Basic bitch astrology all the way. It is guaranteed to get most players to engage, lame as it sounds.
>>94565266
You get a better spread if you hand wave that new, half, and full moons last three days each, starting the day before the calendar calls it.

>>94566058
The first homid Red Talon.

>>94566203
The logic behind having the character's Auspice be the moon of the night the character was created is that this is technically the character's birth moon, but I don't think many people care for this level of metanarrative.

>>94566216
Kaczynski was a gutter Mage. One really fucked in the head.

>>94566052
>>94566096
Just to conclude my thoughts on the matter:

I don't think the powers that be expected the guy to be so popular across both isles. The only important talking head I've seen comment on the situation in a negative light was Musk, who suddenly decided to develop Class Conscience and stand up for his fellow CEOs.

The rest honestly doesn't matter. CNN can try to paint the guy in whatever way they want, nobody cares what they have to say anymore.

Which brings me to my last point: there is a good chance that the NWO's real goal here is to gauge how effective certain media outlets are in controlling people's opinions. We know legacy media is dying but some people still take convincing.

We'll see.

>>94566216
Ted very specifically said the Industrial Revolution. I and my k- I mean the Red Talons are talking about the Neolithic Revolution.

>>94566255
>moon of the night the character was created
The problem comes when you have a full pack all with the same auspice since they all got made together the same night before session one.

>>94566216
>The first human Griffin ever accepted.
Could build a whole campaign around that.

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>>94566264
He built a pistol by himself with old auto-parts and some other scrap he found around.

Absolute Gutter Mage stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zV7w3ZDGMg

>>94566271
That makes a lot of sense. It didn't occur me because my players usually spend a long time building their characters before approval.

>>94566272
Fifth Edition Griffin does not like complexity and wouldn't get anywhere near a guy with a last name that has six consonants in a row.

This isn't a diss on 5th edition, I just thought it'd be funny

>>94566314
>complexity
They use this word when really they just mean “products of the Weaver” if you actually read the description.

>>94566345
I didn't bought W5. I'm just following on from what was posted on the previous thread.

I'll grab it one day for sake of completeness but the deal has to be really good. I'm missing WeeWoo 1st Edition too.

>>94566314
>Griffin is racist against the Polish race
The anti-lechitism in the Upper Umbra has gone too far this time... I've begun praying to Jan Pawel, and envisioning him with huge muscles

>>94566443
Griffins actually like dem Poles.

They're great for roosting.

>>94566443
>>94566493
>A Totem hates the Poles
>Poles decide to decimate WtA
It’s like poetry.

Help me pick a concept for a Dreamspeaker character.
>Needs to be young (14-20 years old)
>Raised within her parents cabal, so quite knowledgeable for her age
>Her dad dies in the first session
>Arte 3, probably has a Familiar or some Guardian Spirit looking over her
Also take in mind that the three PCs so far belong to obscure hombrew offshoots of their Traditions OR are somewhat unpopular among their Tradition's peers.
Spheres will be 3 Life and 3 Spirit for sure, haven't decided anything else.
>Idea 1: Ghost Wheel Society member raised in an "underground" chantry masquerading as an electronics repair shop. Believes that the modern world is ungrateful towards the spirits of electronics and appliances, taking them for granted, and despises things such as programmed obsolescence and electronic waste. Her dad's cabal was behind the bombing of a few Silicon Valley offices.
>Idea 2: Member of an obscure pagan-animist yemeni tribe that, through magical means, has managed to survive since the bronze age. They worship the Peacock and Chameleon spirits, practice totemic magick and generally prefer to avoid conflict or de-escalate. That said, they're openly hostile towards abrahamic faiths, particularly Islam. She's somewhat innocent, as she hasn't spent much time in the modern world and her parents shielded her from its horrors. She wants to understand her tribe's distrust of technology.
>Idea 3: I was thinking something Japanese, but since their practice deals almost exclusively with local spirits, I might want to look somewhere else in Asia. Another option would be to rip-off Dandadan and have some minor group of japanese mages that borrow the power of Yokai, allowing them to travel outside of their cities. I dunno, any suggestion for a weird asian flavored Dreamspeaker is welcome.

>>94561953
>character
I got to actually play this just recently with a Tzmitzce Antitrubu.
But an actual answer because no one runs Werewolf...
>Get of Fenris Ragabash Lupus.
>Personal totem: Old Wolf of the Woods.
>Sees himself as something of a historian because “forgetting things is mind weakness”.
>Got himself well educated by human standards to help with this.
>Doing extremely shady shit to learn The White Howl and bring it back to the Gaians, and more importantly to Old Wolf.
>believes himself strong enough to handle it due to tribe.
>Entire motivation is just to make Old Wolf less sad.

>Decided to read The Chaos Factor after Rage Across the Amazon
>It isn't even half as batshit.

What a shame.

>>94556941
Why do the thing in the dark want to stay hidden in the dark? They all much more powerful than the mundane?

>>94566620
It’s much more fun to play on Creative mode while everyone else in the server are on Survival mode.

>>94566620
If any one of the night creatures declared open war on the normies they'd get jumped instantly by the billions of humans and every other faction of night creature + the entire Technocracy
Only beings like Tzimisce have a chance of getting away with a flagrant breach of the masquerade like that

>>94566530
I think Idea 1 is solid and the most fleshed out. However, I don’t see Life being justified for a shaman of the spirits of electronics. Not starting out, at least. Unless you’re doing it for the healing. In that case, I’d suggest
>Life 2
>Matter 1 (or 2 using Freebie points)
>Spirit 3
Coming from an urban terrorist background, it makes sense why she would fall in with a Cabal with other unpopular Mages.

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>>94566705
>urban terrorist

As opposed to a rural terrorist, making crop circles for funzies.

>>94566730
>Crop circles are just Gaia’s womb tattoo
I knew Mother Nature was a slut.

>>94566684
What are they going to do about it? expose themselves?

>>94566730
New character concept: low-tier mage that spends his time making crop circles just to fuck with the zeitgeist and become a nuisance to the technocracy. Mind you, since crop circles are easily explain through banal means nowadays he's not even considered a big nuisance.
That's his entire schtick. Traveling across the world staging fake paranormal phenomena just to push people into believing a tiny bit, but he picks the kind of phenomena that has been "debunked" so the MIB essentially consider him a retarded child not worth "disappearing." Coincidentally, that's the one thing he's good at: outrunning danger.

Why can oWoD Mummies (at least the Revised era ones) have kids and do basically everything a normal human can do at no cost? That's not really a Mummy. That's just an immortal. Did the older versions of Mummies have actual undead drawbacks?

>>94566730
This is vandalism, rather than terrorism.

>>94566620
Number 1: Supernatural life is dumb enough without random people from the outside getting involved
Number 2: If a single one of them tries to break the masquerade/part the veil the other groups (and also humans) would come down on them like a physical and metaphysical tonne of bricks.
Number 3: Certain groups (Pentex, the Technocracy, the Red Talons) operate better and have a vested interest in hiding themselves from humanity for a variety of reasons. Human beings are easier to control when kept ignorant or fed the...preferrable sorts of information.

As we've discovered multiple times, the most dangerous thing in WoD isn't some magic vampire god but like 10 guys with shotguns and a choice of Steel/Iron/Silver/Gold bullets working in broad daylight without the need for stealth.

>>94567335
>Why can oWoD Mummies (at least the Revised era ones) have kids and do basically everything a normal human can do at no cost? That's not really a Mummy. That's just an immortal. Did the older versions of Mummies have actual undead drawbacks?
yes that was kinda the criticism of revised mummy and for the question no-ish the old mummies still didn't looked like mummies unless they were really low on sekhem and they had very strong auras but the revised book says they couldn't have kids which was the first word he had about that as previous two books didn't go into details beside one guy saying "if you screw up the spell of life who knows maybe you might get a risen"

so no it was pretty much always "egyptian themed immortal" in the first edition which predates mage their powers where also just called magic

>>94567335
>That's not really a Mummy
If you think this, then you know nothing about actual mummy lore IRL.
I'll split this between the actaul egyption beliefs and pop culture:
>Egypt:
The actual egyptions didn't view becoming a mummy or "Akh" as being Dead. They viewed it as a kind of resurrection the same way Osiris was resurrected by Isis(which is the Entire Point of mummification).
>Pop Culture
The fictional view of Mummies that get up and walk around have been exclusively about People who resurrect Fully Alive since(The Mummy: A tale of the twenty second century[1827], Some word with a Mummy[1845]) or Spirits with sorcerous powers(The Mummy's Foot[1840], Lost in a Pyramid/The Mummy's Curse[1869], The Jewel of Seven Stars[1903]). If you've noticed, both these things are exactly how WoD mummies function.
The walking undead horror is 99% a Hollywood think, with a single story from 1892 as an outlier(Lot #249). Side note: the mummy here isn't a proper undead monster so much as a robot that's controlled by anyone who has its magic scroll. It has no will, thoughts, or personality, just does what it's ordered like a zombie.

So yeah. Whitewolf actually did the research and got something Right for once. Inconceivable I must say.

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>>94566812
New character concept:

Colling Robinson but he's a professional Storyteller.

He thinks he's genuinely good at personal horror because everyone around him becomes mortified when he starts talking but its just his psychic feeding on any happiness he can find.

His mission is to spread misery to everywhere he goes. He is hunted by >>94566812 for his crimes against Fun And Joy, something facilitated by the fact none of his friends like him and rat on him behind his back.

>>94567404
I know. Its called a poetic license.

>>94568042
Encyclopediaman strikes again.

>>94566620
Think about it, why would a predator want its prey to know it's there?

>>94568204
I think that's a different guy. I think its the FGC-man.

What does Vampire life and politics look between cities. I don't mean in the long stretches of forest that lupines infest. I mean in the urban/suburban sprawl that defines the metropolitan area that usually host multiple cities. There's gotta be some vampiric presence there, at the very least to police what's coming out of another prince's domain.

>>94568253
>Vampire
>Life
You meant Vampire Activity. Vampires, by definition, have no Life.

Now, when it comes to Vampiric activity, the Camarilla shoots itself in the foot with the whole Masquerade ordeal - the same Masquerade that hides Vampires from Mortals also hides 'em from other Vampires.

The Sabbat plays fast and loose with the Masquerade, which is why Sabbat activity is something the Camarilla is able to spot, but the idea that anyone can patrol or monitor the suburbs of any big city like that is a little far-fetched. If you're part of the Camarilla you're expected to present itself or be punished if caught - you spent decades having those Traditions drilled into you and you don't become a proper Neonate until you do - and if you're an Anarch, well, you just don't give a shit.

In short, what the eyes of the Camarilla can't see, can't hurt the Prince's reputation.

>>94568330
>Vampires, by definition, have no Life
So they play WoW?

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>>94568364
Anon made me spit my coffee now lol

>>94568253
>There's gotta be some vampiric presence there
More like Ghoul presence. For most cities, the vast majority of Cammie organization is going to be made up of the ghouls working for the prince that've been embedded into existing power structures.
90% of their intel is going to ghouled police officers, waiters, customer service reps, etc, whose entire job is watching out for potential masquerade breaches or other weird activity.
Actually important vampires are a lot like IRL noveau rich, AKA they're fucking around with whatever current hobby is holding their attention while the real work is handled by menials until something is important enough for them to intervene. Most probably wouldn't even notice if their master suddenly went into torpor.

>>94565947
Kek this is so good
In the context of Mage: The Ascension, each Sphere has a level that determines your character's mastery over that particular area of magic. To improve a Sphere, you typically need to accumulate a certain number of experience points (XP) and then spend those points to increase the Sphere's level.
Current Spheres and Levels:

Mind: 3
Matter: 1
Spirit: 2
Prime: 1

Sphere Improvement Options:

Mind (Current Level: 3)
Upgrade Cost: 7 XP to reach Level 4.
Potential Benefits: Enhanced mental manipulation, deeper understanding of thoughts and emotions, and improved telepathic abilities.

Matter (Current Level: 1)
Upgrade Cost: 3 XP to reach Level 2.
Potential Benefits: Greater control over physical objects, ability to alter materials, and improved manipulation of the environment.

Spirit (Current Level: 2)
Upgrade Cost: 5 XP to reach Level 3.
Potential Benefits: Enhanced communication with spirits, ability to summon or bind spirits, and greater understanding of the spiritual realm.

Prime (Current Level: 1)
Upgrade Cost: 3 XP to reach Level 2.
Potential Benefits: Improved understanding of magical energy, ability to manipulate the essence of magic itself, and enhanced spellcasting capabilities.

Using Queen Marika's Parchment:

Given that you are studying Queen Marika's parchment, it could be particularly beneficial to focus on Spirit or Prime. The parchment may contain insights into holy magic and the manipulation of spiritual energies, which could enhance your abilities in those areas.

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>>94568253
Expanding on what I wrote in >>94568330

The tyranny of the Camarilla fails like any other: no matter how many rules exist, you can’t enforce them all. Even the Technocracy, supposedly the pinnacle of organizational competence, struggles with enforcement - just ask the Traditions, who persist despite centuries of suppression.

Unlike the Union, the global Camarilla lacks centralized control or ideological cohesion. Founded in reaction to the Union's precursors and the Pogrom, its vast resources are global but limited locally. The Traditions (not laws but social contracts) are upheld because they benefit its hierarchy, relying on mutual self-interest and internal policing.

However, this self-regulation creates fragility. Like any Mafiocracy, its power depends on silence and loyalty. Under pressure - from crises, rivals, or incentives to betray - it fractures. When federal governments incentivized informants and punished loyalty, organized crime crumbled. As Michael Franzese said, the Mafia’s greatest enemy wasn’t law enforcement: it was itself.

So it is with the Camarilla. Its greatest weakness isn’t external threats but a system turning members into informants. In peace, the Traditions bind it together. In crisis, they become weapons wielded in power struggles.

The Camarilla isn’t eternal order. It’s managed chaos, one scandal or betrayal away from collapse. The Beast isn’t just in fangs and claws but in the cracks of alliances, waiting to devour them from within.

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Welcome to the Political Theory of Darkness, where factions redefine governance:

- Mafiocracy (Camarilla): Join us, or we make you an offer you can't refuse… literally.
- Doomsday Cultism (Sabbat): God’s plan involves a lot more screaming and fire than you thought
- Anarcho-Capitalism (Anarchs): Every Kindred for themselves, but Venmo me for the blood bank.
- Religious Fundamentalism (Ashirra): Faith, family, and fangs.
- Post-Apocalyptic Isolationism (Inconnu): Leave us alone. We’ve seen too much already.
- Feudalism (Vampires in general): Because nothing says eternal rule like dying in 1435 and still being in charge.
- Eco-Terrorists United (Garou Nation): Captain Planet with a Body Count.
- Corporate Nihilism (Pentex): Destroy the planet… but make it profitable.
- Mujahideenism (Traditions): Decentralized freedom fighters with fireballs and no chill.
- Fascism-Lite™ (Technocracy): Your reality has been updated. Compliance is mandatory.
- Literal Insanity Governance (Marauders): Reality is a construct—and ours is terrifying.
- Radical Nihilism (Nephandi): The only winning move is to destroy the entire game.
- Diplomatic Anarcho-Collectivism (Disparate Alliance): United we survive, divided we’re cannon fodder.
- Post-Scarcity Utopians (Changelings): Life is a dream, and taxes don’t exist here.
- Literal Bureaucracy Hell (Wraiths): The afterlife is just paperwork and debt collection.
- Militant Isolationism (Kuei-Jin): We’re ancient, disciplined, and far too good for your Western nonsense.
- Eschatological Fatalism (Demons): It’s not treason if Heaven started it.
- Militarized Vigilantism (Hunters): Shoot first, ask God later.
- Mystic Preservationism (Mummies): Reincarnated curators of a museum no one asked for.
Secret Bonus round:
- Soul-Commerce Syndicalism (Orpheus): The gig economy extends beyond the grave.

World of Darkness: Where every faction has a philosophy, and none of them end well.

>>94564061
Dealing with demon lords generally isn't worth it IMO.
Beyond the fact that they don't have explicit soul trade the way Yama Kings do and even have lore indicating they won't let go of a soul unless you pry it from them(meaning it has to actually be Your soul being traded in this case), they're also statless, unkillable npcs. There's no real way to get one over on them.
There's only one way around this, and that's somehow guaranteeing you Always get at least 5 extra successes in an opposed Intelligence+Law check against the demon lord's opposed social check for every investment. You'd need absolutely insane social dicepool and enough difficultiy mods to ensure you alway roll at minimum difficulty(2 or 3 depending on Splat and ST). Even then it might not be enough
There's an earthbound investment that could do this though, it gives 3 automatic successes to every roll involving the attribute it's invested in Per Investment.
Meaning you'd need to be one of the most successful and powerful infernalists whose ever lived just to have a Chance of having favorable deals with demon lord infernalism.
>>94565522
Infernal spere magic is weird. It only explicitly gives you a sphere+avatar rating equal to your investment, but it's also explicitly suppose to work even after the demon lord has gilgulled your real avatar from you.
Mage Sphere's are capped by your arete score and the investment doesn't let you get around this, but it Does say infernal magic is a separate score/paradigm/pool from your normal casting. I guess you can assume infernal magic get the minimum arete dice necessary for it's own magic.
Still not worth it though.

>>94568792
>Captain Planet with a Body Count.
The worst part is that this works in both senses of "body count".

>>94569016
They ain't nothing but mammals.

>>94568920
>Still not worth it though.
But it's sphere magic without Paradox!
It's 1000% worth it even with the soul costs!

>>94569268
Just make your shit coincidental, bro.

Backlash doesn't deal Lethal damage until you racked up a truckload of it.

>>94568792
This is all good stuff, we need more to discuss at the next Carthian meeting.

>>94569268
Become a marauder like a normal person!

>>94569274
>Lethal damage
If damage is the only issue you're dealing with then your ST is handling your game with kiddy gloves.

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>>94569298
Ah, yes, the hallmark of a truly 'mature' game: mistaking brutality for depth. Congrats on mistaking edgy for engaging, your ST must be so proud.

If your characters are too scared of Spirits or Flaws to actually do magic, congrats again,: you've turned Mage The Ascension into Accountant: The Spreadsheets.

Going out of your way to punish players for playing the game is the biggest telling of a coward ST. And a very, very boring game.

>>94569298
The next retardation you're say is that Hunger is a great mechanic.

>>94565893
There was a bit in the Progenitors convention book about how NWO wants universal healthcare, while Syndicate wants for-profit. So I doubt they're gonna work together on this one.

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>>94569298
>He didn't learn how to weaponise Paradox Spirits
>He didn't learn how to weaponise Paradox Flaws

Do you even play this game or do you just talk about it for hours at an end?

>>94569268
What is generating so much paradox that selling your soul and opening a portal to hell INSIDE YOU sounds like a good idea?

>>94566530
2 sounds the most "fun"

>>94562745
>>Earthbound(DtF)
>Ironically the safer option to deal with. They can't ravage you and there are only drawbacks if you deal with the same one repeatedly. It costs one permanent willpower each time though, so still deall sparingly.
An Earthbound is only going to enthrall you if you're a loyal member of their cult, and is not going to give you a choice what your boon will be or what Stigmata you get (not sure if you forgot about the Stigmata drawback or are just assuming you'll just get some minor physical marks over and over).
They don't make faustian bargains, they want slaves who they kit out for specific purposes. An actual infernalist who wants to gain power for themselves should avoid them like the plague.

>Some Batini Abubakar abu Buqara tells me how the Entropy sphere is not the domain of The One
>I explain the essential union of Entropy, Matter, and Life
Erm, that just happened!

>>94569692
Depends on if they get a choice in the matter. Earthbound are just as vulnerable to spirit binding as any nature spirit. They're actually worse off, because they get screwed over if you know their true name and every use of Lore exposes it partially.
It's also something to remember that not all earthbound are terrifying godbeasts on path to rival the archdukes, most of them are absolute bitches with very few dots in lores or backgrounds to their name.
There are 72 of the fuckers stuck in a jar and dumped at the bottom of the red sea for example.
Choose your tagets carefully and they'll have more to fear from you then you will from them.

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>>94569728
>nooo you can’t say Entropy is just part of the cosmic balance, it’s clearly chaos and rebellion!
>“Balance includes chaos, my dude. That’s how balance works.”
>Batini starts sweating in calligraphy

>>94569746
>Most earthbound are edgy fuckups and are only scary because the only ones you hear about are the the small number of demon-chads
That's hilarious.

>>94569783
>Noooooo! I HAVE TO RUN OFF TO WORSHIP THE DJINN NOW! MY SOUL IS FORFEIT!
>It's just gambling, man.

>>94569728
imagine occupying egypt the land of the dead and not having necromancy

>>94569798
All demons, regardless of splat, are in the same position as vampires. They're made of 99% retarded femboys hiding behind a global misinformation campaign and the reputation of the 1% of badasses among them.
The moment the lie is exposed, there'll be an unending tide of solomonic sorcerer-chads coming for that bussy(or demonic investments, if you're into that I guess).

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>>94569842
>noooo you don’t understand, if I lose three times in a row, the Djinn will repossess my camel and use it to outbid me in the Umbra Bazaar!

>>94569746
True, but if you did manage to bind one and they were desperate enough, well, they all know the celestial names of their old bosses. If they keep yelling the archduke's names like they were racial slurs, eventually it's gonna draw their ire. Or they could just call for their rivals for less drastic measures.
Additionally, if you don't want them to fall asleep (whether or not thralls keep their powers in that case I don't think is stated anywhere but I'd presume not) you'd need to feed them faith, which means letting them have their cult, and that's dangerous for a variety of reasons.

>>94569940
>whether or not thralls keep their powers in that case I don't think is stated anywhere but I'd presume not
They explicitly do. That's how competent earthbound had superhuman thrall families that exist to this day.
Earthbound invests are like devil's due investments, after you get them they're yours. Permanently.

>>94569963
>Thrall Families
Oh right. Earthbound investments breed true. If you fuck-up and get invested by the same earthbound three times, it's not just your soul you just lost. You just sold the souls of every decendent you will ever have for the rest of time.

>>94569985
>You just sold the souls of every decendent you will ever have for the rest of time.

I'm not super into Demon, I've only read the core book and played one story with my friends but wouldn't this situation contradict the Abrahamic mythology in which the World of Darkness - and Demon, to a degree - are based on? Specifically, I'm talking about Ezekiel 18:20, the whole sins of the father thing.

>>94562745
Question, where is it written that having a Being score lets you permanently kill anything? You mean an infernalist being taught how to Obliviate and doing that?

>>94569963
I don't recall the Earthbound book stating that those families have their 'gifts' passed on as well, so I'll ask if you have the source for it (especially if it's from a different book) while I also go looking for it myself.

>>94570002
Earthbound function on Original Sin. Dealing with them is on the same level as eating from the tree of knowledge or caine murdering able.

>>94570007
It's spread around the wraith 2e books, but it's the basic function of Emoting. Spectres and Spectre cultists can drain pefmanent willpower from anything that's psychology is heavily associated with an emotion that's resonant with the spectre Being.
A spectre whose Being comes from the dark passion: become the Center of Attention(Pride) could drain Permanent willpower from a DtF Devil-house to regain temporary being.
In WoD permanent willpower 0 means destruction of the soul.

What books cover thrall powers and families? V interesting, I envision the eugenic projects of forward-seeing Fallen

>>94562745
>Just don't make a soul or life pact, every other pact can be made an infinite amount of times. If your patron gets uppity find a new one. Their literal in-book reason for making deals with people they know are already going to hell is "a cookie you steal from someone else is better than a cookie you find". They're more than happy to take in turncoats from their rivals(and then get surprise-pikach-face when the known turncoat turns on them).
it's kinda implied in your text, but i wanna mention again for other people that these guys can make pacts that are just quests that also don't even necessarily leave you tainted/directly invested

if you actually sell your soul to them (or any other demon) you are a idiot

>>94570012
They're called legacy thralls. Double-checking the earthbpund book, it doesn't actually mention mechanics on how an earthbound decides whether an investment will breed true or not. It just mentions they can make it happen and leaves it there.
Anon is semi-wrong though. Making a final pact with an earthbound doesn't final-pact your kids, but it does let the earthbound fuck with them mentally until they either serve willingly or commit sudoku to escape.
>>94570058
It's in the earthbound book. Ctrl-f "legacy thrall" and look in the section for thrall powers.

>>94570154
Thanks, I was looking in all the wrong sections.

>>94569898
>demon bussy
You do know most of the demons mentioned are either abstract concepts with sentience or inanimate objects possessed by a spirit, right? The only thing you'd acvomplish trying to fuck that is a dick full of splinters.

>devil due's says there is 666 earthbound
>out of these 1 has actually been relevant for the other splats (Kupala)
>the rest are just spoopy demons that will occasionally fuck some guy over who is then promptly killed by his fellow splat
you know when you read about them they start being a lot less scary when you realize that you can literally just break the reliquary to throw them back into the abyss. the only reason Kupala is a threat at all is because you'd have to destroy the entire Carpathian mountain range but then again you can just not go there and he can't do much about you anyways

>>94570289
>and he can't do much about you anyways
The Mastery background says Hi

>>94570289
Well, yeah, demon got released just two years before the entire setting got destroyed, there wasn't exactly much time to give them cross-splat interaction.

Given all this infernalism talk, why don't anon's share a fresh character and how you plan to make it from Zero(standard shlub fresh out of character creation) to ultimate power(automatic 5 successes when talking a demon lord into giving you mage spheres.AKA True Magick for free)
This thread will then rate how far we think the character can make it down the path of infernalism.

Seriously, why is a group explicitly made from a synthesis with the Chakravanti unable to use the Entropy sphere? What is Muslims' perspective on entropy?

>>94570444
Not sure this is possible in the 21st century(20th ann's place on the timeline). Most of your best options(Sorcer, Spectre Cultist) got nerfed so hard that I think you'll need to already be a power mage to even begin(Spirit 4).
Devil's Due style deals are foresure out for reach because DD demons pokevolved into modern demons the moment the abyss was breached(Devil's Due rite of severence sidebar).
So like always in WoD, old stuff good/new stuff bad. You were born too late to reach ultimate power and now only get to look forward to being enslaved by people that who might be objectively less competent and more retarded than you, but were born at the right time.