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are Hell's Horses the most underrated clan?
>>94582750I feel like they're generally rated.Most underrated would be Hellions or Mandrills or something.Both Mandrills and Cobras have really interesting stuff going on and we never hear about them.
>>94582750They managed to escape the realm of Homeworld Nobodies so no.
HONOR THE DRAGON!!
How popular will the WoB become when plastic Celestials come out next year?
>>94582913Hopefully not at all. I like WOB, and becoming popular ruins a faction.
>>94582930This, gonna have a retroactive "redemption arc" or some bullshit so theyre made out to not be quite duch irredeemable pieces of shit. Gotta make em palatable to normies to sell plastic
>>94582941Given that the Dracs had their palatable arc in the 90s and then pivoted back to being turbo evil post-Dark Age, and they're popular enough they got the second Force Manual...nah. >GAY4PHell yeah captcha
>>94579365>Hardened being the Munchkin choiceThat's Ferro-Lamellor
>>94582954>in the 90sThat was when we could still have good things.
When did double heat sinks become widely available within the Inner Sphere? Both among the forces of the Great Houses and then later on the open market for mercenaries and the like.
>>94583477Circa 3040 for the Houses, slow trickle out from there for mercs.
>>94583477>Following the discovery of the Helm Memory Core and the subsequent dissemination of lost Star League knowledge throughout the Inner Sphere in 3028, double heat sinks gradually became a staple of 'Mech construction again and were extensively used in retrofits and new designs. The NAIS had double heat sinks ready for serial production in 3041.[1][5]>The benefits of doubled heat dissipation capacity usually outweigh the drawbacks and by 3058 almost every 'Mech model was equipped or retrofitted with double heat sinks. In general, the lighter 'Mechs have trouble making use of all available pod space, making the bulk issue meaningless. In general, the heavier 'Mechs use engines powerful enough to include all their double heat sinks "free", and thus they don't have to pay the pod space cost — even though that cost would be punishing if they did have to pay it.Available on the free market by 3041, and within 20 years became the standard pretty much everywhere.
>>94583477>no one could figure out how to make a heat sink that was... twice as big>basically two singles glued together>required the entirety of NAIS to figure this one out>>94583525>by 3058 almost every 'Mech model was equipped or retrofitted with double heat sinks.Except the Panther lmao
>>94583573It's not twice as big. It's twice as efficient at dispelling heat by mass, at the cost of being 3x the volume. Designing DHSs required room temperature superconductors, and the process to make them was lost until the helm memory core came around, and theb there was still years of other research to do to have them ready for serial production.
>>94583573But it's not 2 singles glued together. It's one heatsink that weighs as much as a single, is three times as bulky, but twice as good at dissipating heat. Its a lot more advanced.>>94583525Weird how some of the later Marik Centurions are still using Singles, right into the Dark Age/IlClan era.>>94582941They hated the clans, tried to genocide the Homeworlds, and launched a major operation to topple the great powers for the betterment of the IS. The world's occupied by the WOB saw drastic improvements in technology, infrastructure, and quality of life, as well as a reduction in crime. They where the good guys.
>>94583629>Marik CenturionsDo you mean Marian Centurions? Because with the Marian Hegemony, they're a backwards pirate kingdom pretty much building their mech production up from scratch. she was the least of their worries when they were stuck with primitive engines, industrial armor, ejection systems, etc etc.
>>94583662Yeah, it weird that even mono-planet peripheric states have no issues making full introtech mechs (even some pirates) but for some reason the Marians, with a bigger nation and more developed economy, struggled up to the Dark Age to produce 3050 tech (they were making introtech stuff by the Republic era iirc).
>>94583629>The world's occupied by the WOB saw drastic improvements in technology, infrastructure, and quality of life, as well as a reduction in crime.Nobody can commit crimes if everyone is an irradiated corpse.
>>94583614Incidentally, IS was well on its way on developing new DHS independently from the Helm Core. This is the prototype DHS that has rules in IOps and Historical: War of 3039 (IIRC the rules were originally from MaxTech). It functions on a different basis than the SL-era DHS, using a different type of coolant instead of more efficient lostech heat-exchangers. Unlike regular DHS you can mix them and SHS on the same mech, but they explode when hit.
>>94583662D3D. My bad, it's a 3060 design that's still in production by 3150.>>94583672What's weird is how long it takes the major periphery powers to advance. In the Marian's case, it's probably because they are Irish without any betters to steal from.
>>94583930the D3 is a miracle machine. the D3D is a horizontally mobile shit griffin. buy a d3 and go mach fuck.
>>94583930It depends on the authors. In the Fanpro days the Big three Peripheric states were between 5 to 15 years behind the Sucessor States. Later they were producing basically all during the Jihad. But by 3085 you have nations like New St. Andrews making the three bug mechs.
>>94582750They're a containment board for non-mech units.That's all they are.
>>94582704>In 31st century, would the term grammar nazi be replaced with grammar rimmer?The Clans madw being a grammar nazi a central part of their identity, so sphereoids would probably say "grammar clanner."
>>94583477>double heat sinks >what if we made TWO heatsinks by shaving them down by a half ton each >this technology was lost Man Battletech has 40k beat on retardation sometimes lamo.
>>94584526Grammarborn.
>>94584573>Your grammer nazism was shaped by ethnic and economic conflicts, but I was GRAMMARBORN.
>>94584573Gram'bo
>>94582941What’s to redeem? In BT terms they’re as righteous as the Star League.
What do clanners do when they encounter periphery creole? There are people right now with regular contact to the rest of the English speaking world who are barely comprehensible and have all kinds of fucked up combi-words from other languages they also don't speak.
>>94584631>what forces defend this world?>dese dang sphess piraits dun cull oot boss Hyde foor uh "bat-choul"? We's gots us a Steeng und an Assissuh. You's dang ol' sphess riekers goon regrat footin' us, I tells yeh whuat.
>>94583573>>required the entirety of NAIS to figure this one out>>94584548>Man Battletech has 40k beat on retardation sometimes lamo.You newbies need to read the fluff, DHS are basically the all-aluminum and plastic car radiators compared to classic iron and brass ones from the 60s. >Star League fluff directly says it was hard to make them shock resistant enough to withstand combat in particular and took decades of work.>They have to be made in zero-G like endo steel, even old 3050 fluff said the DCMS chose endo instead because they kept having production issues with DHS. Makes sense since a radiator is a lot of thin fins for greater surface area to bleed heat.>sidegrade attempts like Freezers tried copying results by using working fluids that are totally fucked, like how you can replace the refrigerant in your car's AC for propane and have it actually work better, in exchange for now being flammable and potentially explosive.
>>94584710It's pointless fucking contrivance to a retard tier story about big stompy robots. Battletech technology is GROSSLY overweight and needlessly backwards.
>>94584788The weight includes the kind of redundancies and reinforcement that allows the components to survive everything short of direct hits and continue to operate at full capacity for 500 years.
Sean is a blight upon the community.Also why the fuck if I verify through email I still have to do Captcha?4chan is going to shit day by day with these god damn verification shit.
>>94584851Stop phoneposting, loser
>>94584851Is he arguing it's a bad mech when pressed into a role it was never intended to fill? Because the Chameleon is pretty bad for combat before they made actual combat spec variants. Thin armor and a white hot heat cliff that you can't even utilize because of mandatory training software that disables weapons when you get too hot make for a bad combat mech.But it's a great training mech. Best in class, even.
>>94583614How the fuck would room temperature superconductors help?
>>94584851Sean doesn't play Classic Btech, if I remember right. His opinions are automatically to be discarded. Some day someone will have to explain to me how people that don't even play the game got to control the main Wikia. It's like a case of uber-secondaries that latched on the game despite not even liking it?>>94582941What's there to redeem? The WoBbies by their own nature have a huge amount of different reasons to be in the WoB, even the Manei Domini despite their martyrdom/cyborg cult have a variety of beliefs. Gazael from the old Battlecorps stories ends up saving children from Capellans while driving an Archangel, it's extremely easy to write WoBbies as something else than nuclear terrorists.
>>94584851Why does the one on the right have horns?
>>94585034His wife cheated on him.
>>94583672you gotta remember, the marians were formed in 2920 with minimal industrial support. the fact they have an industrial base at all is impressive, but the most shocking part of the marians is the fact they're advancing. the marian hegemony is right now basically in the situation of sadam hussein with the mass production of stuff like the whitworth and their centurions. sure, those mechs aren't too scary, but they are MAKING mechs in mass numbers is impressive. and then the testudo comes along... and things get very, very bright on the battlefield.
>>94585328They already got a nice industrial base by the 3067, acording to the HB:MPS. But again, the capacity to manufacture mechs depends on the authors. Sometimes a single planet entity is capable without issues, but a multi-planet one with a bigger industrial capacity "strugles" because they are the new designated "evil mooks".
>>94583477>When did double heat sinks become widely available within the Inner Sphere?3050, the same as every other piece of level 2 equipment. Read TRO 3050.
Finally
>>94582745I'll respect them when they make a hovercraft quadvee.
>>94585806They already made MLP BAs, so next they need to make quad VTOL BAs.
>>94585395Metawise you're probably right in that Marian mechs are probably meant to be mooks for a campaign or scenario game. In universe I assume the reason Marians are so behind is because they're completely starting from scratch in an area that saw little industry, with no outside support whatsoever. Unlike most other mech building worlds where they likely either have>An old Star League Era production line they eventually got running back up>Outside assistance from a larger nation or company they made a deal with>A much more solid industrial and knowledge base to reverse engineer and build mechs withTo give the Marians some credit, they're chugging along perfectly fine on their own as each iteration of their homegrown Centurions get a little better consistently. Iirc they've also got Jumpship and Dropship production going on which is a huge deal, so there's that too.
>>94581130> w, what with the Fidelis and the totally surprising Word of Blake, I really wish that when Stone revealed he was a Blakist sleeper agent, he'd revealed that he actually was Arthur S-D and not just some rando.You guys pretend to be this based, refined taste people but you are literally claiming for Disney-tier stories.Devlin Stone being a nobody is good and we should have more nobodies in the stories instead of the eternal nepotism where even mercenary groups can't exist without it
>>94585823>>94585806The ultimate weapon
>>94585841I like it.
>>94585841Might actually be more armored than a typical VTOL
>>94585841NO. I said hover craft, not VTOL.For your impudence I now demand a WiGE quadvee.
>>94585806I have to agree
>>94585915>tfw you've played so much gen 3 AC that you can ID all of those parts
>>94585806That unironically might be decent. The hovercraft move profile is really good except in forests. You'd actually have a good reason to swap modes outside of gaming the bidding system.
>>94585903I mean, it doesn't hover but it looks cool
>vtol mechs>wige mechsSounds like a job for the Ravens
>>94586005What is that art from?
>quadvees>Two quadvees are considered a Point in a Star, as opposed to one battlemech/omnimech being counted as a Point>Only needs a driver and gunner, as opposed to a full tank crew>Has the movement limitations of a mech regardless of form and can go where a tank can't >Has far more survivability than a regular tank>Entire torso is a turret >Cheaper BV wise than standard Clan mechs of similar tonnageHonestly the problem with Quadvees is they're compared to regular mechs by most people, when really they should be seen as advanced combat vehicles.Honestly the only thing I really dislike is how boring the canon artwork is compared to a lot of the fan-drawn quadvees
>>94585806No WiGe quadvees, which are specifically different from LAMs and multi pilot LAMs, if only to make both their own and LAM rules even more complex and easily confused.
>>94586150Mattplog
>>94586172Also they need lots of special exceptions to their WiGE movement, but not the same ones that LAMs get.
>>94585903Can I interest you in a flying brick instead?
>>94584895A mech doesn't stop being bad if it has lore to explain why it is common and widely used.
>>94586416A mech doesn't become bad when it's pressed into uses it was never designed for.
>>94582762Monkeys forever.
>>94585926we need to go back
>>94585926With the success of AC6, I'm really hoping they remaster the older generations.
why does the sentinel exist, it seems so crap.
>>94586497Well the Royal SLDF version was a gauss rifle on legs so there's that. Otherwise it's purely for infantry support and defensive postings, so it's not really any good in lance vs lance fights.
What's better, four LRM 5s or one LRM 20?
does anyone have any of the Steel Rift minis? they look neat and i'd want to see how they compare to battletech stuff.
>>94584851bad mech academy disappoints me, especially since a fair number of articles are just "Scout mech bad because it is under gunned and lightly armored, some don't even have ANY WEAPONS?!?!?" and "design not made for mech slap fights eats shit and dies in mech fight" some of them are particularly weird since they are suboptimal but not bad designs. The rook was a particularly annoying one to read since the design 100% fulfilled what it was designed for, a dirt cheap and quick to make trooper (it was a 55ton 3/5 with a primitive engine, but the planet that made it was able to shit out 200 of the fuckers in 2 years.) and the design was rugged enough to be modernized with standard and better tech instead of being scrapped and the line retooled.
>>94586692He doesn't give a fuck about context, he just wants to complain and can't find enough shit to rag on because most canon variants of mechs are built with downsides or issues intentionally for lore/variety in units. I mean bell, the original Rook was only 2.6M C-Bills a unit, whereas the standard model is over 7M C-Bills. They were popping those suckers out quickly.
>>94586773not to mention the rook wasn't armed with like rifles or a small laser cluster, but a motherfucking PPC each with med laser backup, like the scariest thing you can give a disposable hordeyeah it's a cheap garbage can but who's gonna be laughing when DOZENS of PPCs tear through your celestials each turn and you just don't have enough guns to feasibly kill them all
>>94586830No see, if a mech isn't good in a straight 4 v4/2v2 with no terrain or context whatsoever then it's a bad mech. All mechs should be 4/6 energy boats with PPCs or CLPLs period, otherwise it's a bad mech for bad people who probably touch themselves like all non-mormons. Design philosophy? Designated roles? Absolutely meaningless.
>>94586620When the twenty hits, it usually results in two five point hits and a two point hit. When a five hits it usually results in a three point hit. Most of the time it will be unlikely that all four LRM-5s hit, but on the other hand you only get one to hit roll with the 20.
>>94586898>nooooo you can't evaluate game pieces by how good they are in the way most people play the game. You have to role play as an in-universe supply officer complete with cultural bias.
>>94586924then why was the great turtle judged by how in universe manufacturers didn't pick it up? why is this dogshit series usually framed in universe and in universe strengths brought up yet the tabletop is barely mentioned? contrarian retard
>>94586924This is a historical-alike. Some units are there exclusively for logistics and others are in-universe fuckups.
>>94586692>Scout mech bad becauseSaying a mech is a scout doesn't change the fact it's stuck on the same map as everyone else. The only real use for them is spotting for slow missile boats, and there are usually better options unless you are BV starved.
>>94584816>500 yearsThat's the equivalent of using a matchlock in modern combat. If you don't see a problem with this I can't help you.
>>94587048That's a basic conceit of the setting, the technology is extremely long lasting and a lot of it has been as good as it'll ever get for a looooong time.
>>94587048It's a consistent and core part of the setting since inception and an excuse to use your mech's regardless of era. If you genuinely can't stand the idea then go play something else.
>>94584851>Also why the fuck if I verify through email I still have to do Captcha?You don't, stop trying to post on incognito mode.>>94586692To be fair to the specific example of the Chameleon, I know actual players who strongly feel it's just a bad Pixie, which is itself (to them) not worth the squeeze. It's not like he's claiming the Jenner is bad.
>>94587048OK, but no one here wants your help, retard, they want Battletech. Go play Tench Crusader or whatever other zoomershit is the flavor of the month if it bothers you.
>>94587082It's a fictional setting, so the IP holders can have technology 500 or 50 years old be the exact same in quality, but it really stretches belief. The only sensible answer is that humanity was reset to feudal levels of thinking and the vast majority of humans in setting are illiterate and have no incentive to become literate.
>>94587166The jenner IS bad though because it's a stinky kuritan mech
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>>94587151>>94587177Nah I'd rather play Traveler, thanks for playing pissbabies.
>>94587209My last Traveller ship was 350~ years old.
>>94587195
>>94587209>Gets told to play another game>"Nah I'd rather play another game"...ok?
>>94587241>using First Imperium ships Oooooooof>>94587274Cry more.
>>94587201Woke up late today, Davionman?
>>94582762Aren’t the hellions and mandrills both dead
>>94587293Hey, it was mostly fine after we replaced its fake registration with another fake registration and used industrial solvents to hose out the cargo bay.
>>94587305As dead as Smoke Jaguar.
>>94586632Their light mechs, infantry and battle armor look like they'd fit in BT great but I doubt anything bigger can fit on a hex.Could make good superheavies however
Anyone participate in a Trial of Bloodright? I know some of the namefags have, and was wondering what the experience was like. I'm thinking about going for one at one of the cons this year.
>>94585830to add on, they also have access to gladiators, which assuming this includes the introtech variants (2R, 3R, and 4R) are not that bad for cavalry elements to fit in the formations. only thing they really need is something with TAG to abuse the shit out of semi guided arrow IV with the testudo.
>>94587305Hellions integrated into the Goliath Scorpions.
>>94587386I so fucking want to, but big cons don't come to Texas.
>>94587048>>94587151>>94587082The reason tech doesn't naturally progress is because Comstar keeps it that way. They monitor all HPG transmissions and have spies in every Great House. The higher levels of Comstar are friendly with noblemen to keep an eye on them and control them, the lower levels are poor and illiterate periphery rats that genuinely think Comstar tech is actual magic. With that said, modern battletech is a little bit harder to justify than OG Battledroids which had mechs be even more advanced in tech, and had the Inner Sphere in an even worse state, basically on the brink of societal collapse.
>>94587507I, fortunately live in PA, so am well suited for travel. I've found myself playing clan more and more, so am intrigued by the prospect of earning one, if only to complete the larp
>>94587518The tech stagnation far predates Comstar. Mechs that were designed and built at the beginning of the star league (Highlander, Thug) were perfectly good hundreds of years later at the end. Imagine how many variants there would be if there was half as much innovation as there was 1920-45, or 1955-80. It would be totally change the setting and vastly increase the artists and author's work load.
What era do you guys play and why?>My local group plays around late Jihad, because for some reason the WoB's really popular here
Why the fuck no events are held in WA despite of CGL, WotC and shits are based here
>>94587603Yes that's more of what I mean by "modern" battletech. The tech stagnation doesn't make sense and that's a function of any setting crumbling under the weight of its own extended universe. "Tech has stagnated before the fall" was not the original idea
>I'm good at piloting a mech and shooting people to death, but I know I'm shit at leading people, devising plans and doing politics. I'll rather just stay being a point commander than getting promotedWonder if there's any Clan warrior like this
>>94587611>My local group plays around late Jihad, because for some reason the WoB's really popular here>Can play with most mechs barring the ilClan stuff >Don't have to deal with the faggotry of Dark Age. Makes sense to me
>>94586449Wow, that logo screams overcompensating and butthurt.
>>94586532The Royal Sentinel makes me sad; I feel like it retroactively devalued the Hollander.
>>94587622I'm surprised that there's no BT at PAX.
>>94587693There is, while theres no official events, CGL has a booth and they run demos and have space for meetups. Unless youre talking about the Black Remnant live play session
>>94586497With some of these designs I suspect they were built with an alternative variant as the first intended model, then was rearranged around to have the top shitmech be the standard. The 3KB model is serviceable even if it still could be better.
>>94587603Star League didn't last that long, and after the Exodus and the formation of ComStar and Toyama's taking over the tech reduction was in full swing.
>>94587812>Unless youre talking about *theres also theDunno why I originally worded it that way
>>94587611Tell me that's not a Sazabi's dirty love child with a Guymelef.
>>94587831When the star league was first being written about it lasted just as long as the united states. The tech reduction was a function of the conditions of total war that were happening, Toyama barely had to do anything to help things along.
Is there any specific equipment a mech or combat vehicle could be equipped with to make them better at hitting conventional and aerospace fighters? Or at least any specific missile weapons that are especially good for shooting them down?
>>94587611My group defaults to Late Clan Invasion. The last campaign was set in 3028, but it didn't interest people as much. Next up is the Hinterlands campaign, which will be ilClan era. Should be fun.
>>94587911ROM was all over the place, sabotaging facilities and murdering scientists, while ComStar itself played fuck fuck games with war intel to ensure max destruction. The Second Succession War was the death knell of major tech development until Helm, and that just got them into tech restoration more so than any actual advancement beyond Star League's capabilities.
>>94587995>The last campaign was set in 3028, but it didn't interest people as much.You need better people.
>>94587977Flak ammo or LBX autocannons, air defense Arrow IV missiles, and the AA Targeting quirk.
>>94588007Large pulse lasers should too (smaller ones don't have the range...though LB-20X has that bonus...)
>>94587977Keep in mind that, for whatever reason, the Flak canon has had a renascence in the BT universe, with AA missiles being mostly falling out of favor (the LRMs can still do it, if only because of their range, but they aren’t terribly accurate).
>>94588084>renascence
>>94587977They're usually given the Anti-Aircraft Targeting quirk to represent targeting gear particularly adept at shooting down flying things.
>>94586208I'm glad someone gets it.
>>94586978The great turtle is garbage on the table too. It has no way to punish you adequately for not targetting it, so you just kill it last. It's only useful in very niche scenarios.
>>94588251> It's only useful in very niche scenarios.I’m guessing those scenarios are variations of: “get from point A to point B alive” or “survive until turn X”
>>94588278It's a tarcomped pulse boat so in theory you could use it to keep bugs away from an LRM lance or something. Still a very silly use of 3k BV in the civil war era.
>>94588303It's too slow even for a bunch of Longsbows or whatever.It's a Mech for Solaris.
>>94588326>LongbowPure sex
>>94588344>the Mech she tells you not to worry about
>>94588278That or phragmosis
>>94588344It's no Yeoman
>>94588359Missile boats are just all around cool.
>>94588366Yeoman lacks elegance.
>>94588326It's 3/4/3, a lot more maneuverable than the Annihilators the Wolf's Dragoons don't seem to have trouble using.
>>94588373Unfair comparison, corpses are more maneuverable than Annihilators are.
>>94588369We have Longbow at home.
MISSILES
>So, uh, I heard we were talking about missile boats...
>>94588443
>>94588443We posting bigly missiles now?
Any quad mech missile boats?
>>94588464Sarath A is in the same realm as Trebuchets.
rawket launchair
>>94588497
Ah missile boats then.Well technically this too is a missile boat:
>>94588464Does 4xLRM15 count as a boat? It also has an LB-20X.
>>94588605>Stalker killed the threadOh well, home for dinner I guess.
Wars of Reaving are the worst piece of Battletech lore by far.
>>94588821Agreed.
>>94588821Good thing they happen out of the way, in a piece of irrelevant territory
>>94588821Theodore Kurita held off the Lyran contribution to the war of 3039 because their entire high command decided to meet in front of a big bay window on a newly captured world. Katherine Steiner-Davion spent about fifteen years making whatever choice would most benefit the Capellan Confederation and not one person brought up the time her father was replaced with a body double.In 3052, Sun Tzu Liao granted full rights to the servitor caste as one of his first acts in power. This earned him their eternal love, and caused no reaction at all from the elites of his unstable nation that abruptly lost their vast numbers of slaves.
>>94588931Theodore was a genius, had luck on his side, and Lyrans really are that dumb.K S-D was a stupid ass bitch, and body double replacement was leaned on far too heavily.The nobles were probably too scared of Sun-Tzu to make a fuss, lest he quell their little uprising with Hothammer-driving Death Commandoes.
>>94586924>Napoleonics>fielding something other than Austrian Jägers
>>94589048>Sure the Duke of Cumberland's Hussars take a -8 penalty on all morale checks but how can you say they are bad? Have you considered they make the Duke feel very important?
>>94589105The correct attitude for historics is having fun, no matter who gets killed.In this context, the Duke of Cumberland being a millstone around everybody's neck is to be taken as a running gag.
>>94589143No one said that bad mechs shouldn't exist or that they can't be funny or interesting to have on the table, but pretending they aren't bad because of those reasons is just a denial of reality.
>>94586924The hellstar existing then means every mech besides the hellstar is objectively bad.
Had a 21,000 BV game yesterday afternoon/evening. My Nova Cats vs random mercs. It got bloody, mercs lost 5 mechs, 3 on the last turn of play, Nova Cat vehicle star took more than a 50% loss rate and the mech star were all crippled by the end. Mercs did way more damage to the objectives than the Nova Cats and claimed the day.Was fun but man big games aren't my jam.>>94588821Wars of Reaving are the coolest piece of Battletech lore by far.
>>94589240The Valley of Death.
>>94589240>Was fun but man big games aren't my jamAlpha Strike makes them everyone's jam.
>>94589218>laughs in Rifleman IIC
>>94589260my biggest complaint about clans? the cutscene where the mechs waddle out onto the hull of the dire wolf to shoot fighters before leo gets rammed, the rifleman IIC wasn't there to flex on the omnifaggots
>>94589169There are multiple ways to manage bad or suboptimal units within a game, but the proposed one by that author is to hammer home the fact that the Duke of Cumberland's Hussars are really bad at forming a proper macedonian pike block.
>>94589260Hellstar's winning that fight.
>>94588931>Theodore Kurita held off the Lyran contribution to the war of 3039 because their entire high command decided to meet in front of a big bay window on a newly captured world.Can you elaborate? They all got sniped or something through the window?
>>94589255I have tried that tack but a few people at club have tried AS and don't like it. One guy's interested though.
>>94589337On 12 July, General Nondi Steiner and the rest of the command staff for Operation WINTERSCHNEE were in the government center on Vega with the intention of announcing Wave Two of their attack. Before it could begin though, a strike force of DEST units staged a daring parachute landing atop the complex. While one team fought its way inside, the second rappelled along the outside of the building and, with security forces tied up fighting the first team, entered the briefing room where the senior officers had gathered. General Nondi was seriously wounded before the attackers were finally neutralized, effectively taking her out of the fight. At the same time, ISF agents knocked out the local communication network and DCMS troops invaded Vega and other planets captured by the Commonwealth Thrust. With unified command effectively cut off, each world was forced to face these counterattacks alone, giving the DCMS the initiative.
>>94587658>Wow, that logo sssscreams overcompenssssating and butthurt.Put your tongue back in your mouth, snakeboy.
>>94589337It's one of the moments in Heir to the Dragon that really stood out to me as terrible writing. The Lyrans get totally clowned on throughout the book, you get the scene where >>94589383 happens and the narrative treats it like the dozens of lyran regiments on combine soil just cease to exist.
>>94587658Well, it is a clan logo.
>>94589383>Before it could begin though, a strike force of DEST units staged a daring parachute landing atop the complex. Imagine getting surprised by a gaggle of leisurely descending parachutists.Imagine not already having handed all the plans to their corresponding units in sealed enevelopes a couple days before the announcement.Imagine running an op that's micro-managing the movement of troops when messages take days to reach you.
>>94588931>In 3052, Sun Tzu Liao granted full rights to the servitor caste as one of his first acts in power. This earned him their eternal love, and caused no reaction at all from the elites of his unstable nation that abruptly lost their vast numbers of slaves.Capellans don't have slaves. You're thinking about the Canopians. Capellans actually respect people's natural rights, while of course it's the girl faction that mandates state sponsored slavery.
>>94589573Well, Lyrans are famously incompetent and bad at war, so all of that really actually makes sense. They're doing nothing that Germans aren't already known for.
>>94589634>Capellans don't have slaves.A Cappie noble can apply for a permit to enslave a member of the servitor caste.
>>94589643Davion agitprop
New Sharpnel issue uploaded to the drop folder. Enjoy, and fuck CGL!
>>94588605stalker has 'WOW' retard meme face
>>94589695>when your specialized combat computer perfectly calculates firing times for your weapons to minimize heat spikes, thus functioning as effectively three free heat sinks
>>94588931>This earned him their eternal love, and caused no reaction at all from the elites of his unstable nation that abruptly lost their vast numbers of slaves.It probably helped that the elite didn't legally own or control the servitors.
>>94589723The elite suddenly having to pay and respect the rights of all the workers in their factories and farms and mansions was a huge impact. They could rent servitors from the state for peanuts and did so in vast quantities. This is the kind of change that causes civil wars, or at least gets politicians suicided twice in the back of the head from ten feet away.
>>94589695he's just happy he's a really useful engine
>>94590103The servitor's new status won't matter as long as the other structures are still in place. The elite can still rent through the same channels and are still only in charge of reporting insubordination back to relevant institutions still.The State has other means of maintaining an underclass, if it so desires.
>>94589682Thanks.
>>94590103I think the elites had enough wherewithal to do the math and see how bad it'd work out if they killed the head of Acapella's Military Industrial Complex who's recentlypopular with a large underclass of people that your factories, farms and mansions can't operate without.
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>>94590259Starting airdrop. No serious issues; a Blitzkrieg had to blow an edge point. Falcons are holding their line and not rushing the DZ.
>>94590143>>94590214I guess anything is possible if you XIN SHENG hard enough. Even wild, radical changes to the status quo of labor to the elites detriment with zero repercussions. No society in history has ever done that, but none of them were such zealous sinoboos.
>>94590269>Falcons are holding their line and not rushing the DZ.How uncharacteristically not-Falcon of them. There a Pryde leading them?
>>94590214Ehh, I think you’re giving them too much credit. History has shown that people are perfectly capable of being unreasonable, and I think the elites of your society discovering that their free ride is over, even if only partially, is a pretty good excuse.I mean the colonies of North America started a war and broke off from England over £1
>>94590304I understand that the state started expanding outwards afterwards and made a lot of Davionmen (who're born with the ideal body type for chimney maintainance) servitors.
>>94590321>I mean the colonies of North America started a war and broke off from England over £1I understand that the real estate profits of land beyond the Appalachians was at stake also.
>>94590350> I understand that the real estate profits of land beyond the Appalachians was at stake also.If by that you mean that England recognized that those lands were already claimed by the tribes living there prior to arrival and thus not open to settlement.Then yes, I suppose real estate profits were at risk.But more importantly was the Principal of the matter!
>>94590304Also giving rights to people who haven't "earned" them. That always goes over great with the people who have "earned" them. Especially when they're earned in a manner consistent with Confucian bureaucracy and the people in question are raging sinoboos. They love having their privileges given to everyone, even the ones who failed the test they passed. They were practically ready to revolt just to make it happen. Yeppers.
>>94590315A Buhallin, actually.DropShip bombing run happens in Turn 2, and the players are reminded why level altitude bombing is unreliable. Of 20 bombs, 19 of them miss and drift. And then they are reminded why level altitude bombing is hilarious, because one of the drifting bombs drifts into a Hellbringers hex, atomizes the Elementals that the Hellbringer had just dropped off, TACs the Hellbringers leg, generates two credits, is edged, and rerolls into boxcars, blowing the leg clean off. In other news the second Falcon Force enters the board but finds themselves bogged down in the terrain. The ranger forces on their own right flank, move toward the board center, refusing the engagement. They are going to try and push through the center of the City Ruins map and use the buildings as a screening terrain to cover their advance toward the objective zones. Of course, this strategy relies on the falcons not going full "scorched Earth" and just blowing away the buildings to clear lines of fire.
>>94590410
>>94590410>because one of the drifting bombs drifts into a Hellbringers hex, atomizes the Elementals that the Hellbringer had just dropped off, TACs the Hellbringers leg, generates two credits, is edged, and rerolls into boxcars, blowing the leg clean off.And Star Captain Joanna gets fucked yet again on the field of battle.
>>94590410Aero interaction with ground maps will never not produce hilarious results.
>>94590369>But more importantly was the Principal of the matter!A book on the topic I read pointed out that the tax on paper hit the printers very hard, motivating them to make good use of the tools of their trade. Like Elon too would probably use his ICBMs to good effect were Trump to suddenly demand a dollar for every tweet.The colonists also had investments into smuggling, supplying piracy and trade with the rest of the Americas, all of which would become a lot harder and less profitable under the new regulations.
>>94590369Also the lack of representation.
>>94590578>Also the lack of representation.Get that SJW shit out of here.
>>94590578Yes, like I said, it was more the principal of the matter than any specific monetary impact. though it’s now easier to sympathize with those colonists that felt their neighbors were overreacting.
>>94590321> History has shown that people are perfectly capable of being unreasonableThis needs to be emphasized harder! Have the Combine invade the Federated suns because: the ruling Davion said some really rude and hurtful things about house Kurita and they are prepared to wage war as long as it takes to get an apology which the ruling Davion is too proud, and too stubborn to ever do
>>94588513>2 lrm5s is a missile boat
>>94588513>>94590725>The Archer is a missile boat>The Valkyrie is a missile boat>The Catapult is a missile boat>The Bandersnatch is a missile boat
>>94590736>Main battery is 2 of the largest missile launchers>Main battery is 1 (large for its weight class) missile launcher>Main battery is two large missile launchers>Main battery is two large bore autocannons and has small lrms as support hence why its not a missile boatDo you see how it works now retard
>Getting daydrunk instead of groundtruthing collection or mowing lawn.>Need to finish the first thing so I can get together my buddy's Christmas gift of 3025 unseen>Feeling like Bilbo instead when I look at my Osts1 Ostsol is all I can spare. The rocs are less rare but I have too few.
>>94590675Are you suggesting that house Kurita is so petty, vain, and shallow that they’d be willing to start a war and throw away countless lives over hurt feelings and a bruised ego?
>>94590810Osts are no longer considered unseen. But for sure reason the old models aren't back in production. This breaks my heart
>>94591023*For some reason.
An even fight.(Everything not green is Ranger)
>>94591355Time to earn that codex entry.
>>94590675Have the Davions ever apologized for any of their crimes? Hanse was such a trashbag he tried to replace Joshua Marik with a double rather than tell Thomas he was sorry the kid died under NAIS care.
>>94591023>For some reasonI don't hate on you for loving them, I like some weird shit too, but the TRO 3025 Ost designs are about as close as you can get to objectively bad. They are weird adaptations of the source material and substandard in a world were strange decisions were already the norm.
>>94591476What crimes? Please site specific titles and code
>>94591531Consult the Taurian Book of Grudges for all your archived Davion criminal knowledge needs.
>>94591023The molds probably aren't available anymore. And let's be honest there's no reason for them to make new sculpts of old art.
>>94591476So what you’re saying is, a war to force a Davion apology is going to be a very long war.
>>94591544According to that davion breathing is a crime.
>>94590326>>94589649
Suppose a mech has an ammo on its left arm. the arm got critted and rolled 12. Does the arm automatically blows off and that's it? Or you roll to see if the ammo gets critted and explode, then make the arm blow off? (despite of that the arm might have already blown off by the ammo explosion)
>>94591832I may be wrong, but I don't think you do because the "arm blown off" crit means it was blown off relatively intact (since it can be picked up as a club).
>>94590803>he doesn't know about salads
>>94590736>>94590803The thing about the Catapult is that while the stock version may at a glance look like a missile boat (its most prominent weapons are the two big LRM boxes) in practice it lack the ammo for sustained firing and will probably deal higher damager per round with its 4 medium lasers than with the 2 LRM15s. It's actually more of a brawler that uses the LRMs to soften targets as it closes in to medium laser range.
>>94592284Valkyries don't boat and the Bandersnatch is a generalist, yes.
>>94591503>>94591588Don't need new sculpts if you can setup recasts. that's how CGL setup the 2007-2014 plastics afterall. Sadly this will probably never happen.I am actively desparate for some originals so next best thing is to recast them myself, as that seems the only way to get more than one of them. the project phoenix ones don't match the 3025 loadouts at all (looking at you ostroc) and my entire collection is pre-2019 redesign sculpts.I'm not about to start on the shimmysculpts which I personally feel lack soul in their design but more importantly don't fit with the rest looks or scalewise.also imo the ostsol is the only truly ugly ostmech
>>94589255git gud homo, AS is the game for 40k faggots who are scared to jam a RAC or UAC
I fucked up this Archer while posing so I decided to have it stepping up onto something. Which looks better?Option 1: Stepping up onto a tank's turret
>>94592776Option 2: Stepping onto an Awesome's left arm.
>>94592782>>94592776Forgot the picture, naturally.
>>94592776>I fucked up this Archer while posing so I decided to have it stepping up onto something. Which looks better?I vote turret.
>>94592776Turret or secret 3rd option, infantry/BA.
>>94592776God, the current metals are CRISP
>>94592284>65 tons for 4MLs + JJsThat's why I don't like the Catapult.
>>94593062
>>94593062Mostly it's the extra sinking that makes it seem 'that's it?'.
>>94593062>morbidly obese fire javI don't DISlike it, but it really needs variants with more sustain to live up to its missiley potential, like the royal or C5A
>>94593259Nah just a fat whitworth
>>94593302Dare we call it a WhitGIRTH?
>>94593374I'm going to cataPULLThe trigger
>>94593259The royal variant does what the Catapult was intended to do, like most retroactive meta-royals were made to be.
>>94593259A 4/6/4 with 4x medium lasers? It's a Blackjack.
The only prompt I put in for this image was "Cats playing Battletech".So apparently ai thinks that people who play Battletech wear glasses and have their tongues hanging of their mouths while surrounded by pretzel like snacks.Surprisingly accurate depiction.
>>94593623>Dat one die made out of cheesits I'd buy that snack.
>>94593623The fuck is that map, though?
>>94593717Obviously some Solaris hellhole like The Pool.
>>94593717These guys take their Battletech much more seriously.
>>94593418Where did the first Royals come out? 2750? Most of them are from Klondike, right?
>>945906237/10 troll. You made me angry before I realized.
>>94593732Ah yes, the famous Battletech units known as creepers.
>>94593736The Royals were first mentioned in the original SLDF book, then a bunch got sheets from the Dallas Core in the Jihad, then a bunch got sheets in Klondike.It's kinda funny because a bunch had new toy syndrome like most new tech, then they even made second and third royals of some machines to make them efficient killing machines.A good example is the original Marauder. The 1R was the Royal and the 3R was the most famous and earliest of the SW downgrades. But they threw in a 2R second royal just because. IIRC stuff like the Wolverine also has 2 or 3 depending on how you count the Wolverine II.
>>94593755>The Royals were first mentioned in the original SLDF book, then a bunch got sheets from the Dallas Core in the JihadWere there any Royal sheets before the Jihad?>It's kinda funny because a bunch had new toy syndrome like most new tech, then they even made second and third royals of some machines to make them efficient killing machines.Yeah, the Warhammer -7A vs the -6Rb is crazy.
>>94593792>Were there any Royal sheets before the Jihad?Not officially, just some descriptions you could kinda grok from sourcebooks. Like we knew the Mad 1R had ferro armor.
>>94593753no that's the players
>>94593755>But they threw in a 2R second royal just because.Probably because ERPPCs didn't exist when the Marauder was first manufactured, since those came about late in the Star League.
Hot take: Royal Battlemechs were a mistake. Their existence cuts the nuts off the advancements of Clantech and reduces them to being, if not common, less impactful a magical tech leap the lore makes Clantech out to be.
>>94593881Magical bullshit is peak Star League. Having them survive in Comstar is the retardation. Either way, not nearly as bad a fuckup as the tech recovery rollback. Nothing will ever top having literal regiments of DVS-2's thrown into the Invasion corridor instead of starting manufacturing in 3052 and the battles still play out the same way.
>>94593881How? They're using the same lostech that was introduced TRO 2750.
Please tell me somebody is working on converting the mercs stuffs in HS: Hinterlands into Introtech
>>94593881Your hot take is more of a dumb take as the tech used for the Royal Variants already had existed in that timeline.I still don't get why peoples panties get in a bunch because of some Royal Mechs that where litteraly used by the 1%
>>94593948They're not expensive enough to warrant that 1% claim.
ESL question regarding the SLDF Royal (Divisions): So the term 'royal' in this context means they were like royal guards? literally related to the monarch/First Lord? Or directly commanded by the First Lord, apart from thr standard chain of command?
>>94594053>Or directly commanded by the First LordCloser to this. Royal units were the units from the Terran Hegemony, basically the HAF rebranded fro the Star League era. Regular SLDF units drew people form all over the Inner Sphere and were stationed throughout it.
>>94594053Royal in this context means the direct troops of the Terran Hegemony instead of the "Star League". The first is TH troops and the second has troops recruited from every member state, Draconis Combine to Free Worlds League.
>>94593948It's a stupid enough claim that I wonder if it's an intentional troll.
>>94593881nigger if it's called lostech that means they had to have had it to lose it
Apparently BEX got a new version in September.Re-installing HBS now to give it a shot.The last time I played I had CAC-C and Akira Brahe's expansion thing and even though I loved having artillery, I was less thrilled about the fact that Clan missions would only spawn assault Mechs or vehicles.
>>94593732guarantee the fluffy potato knocks shit off the taple in rage over the orange's simple but effective play style
Did the life in the Periphery became (even) worse after the fall of the Star League, the bloodsucker and the oppressor of the Periphery has gone?
>>94594202substantially, remember the league engineered periphery economies to be wholly reliant on trade networks (which collapsed) and minimally self sufficient to keep them subservient
>>94594202The Periphery hadn't even recovered from the damage the Reunification War by the time the SL collapsed. They basically got cut off from everything during the Civil War and left to fend for themselves.
>>94594202Yes. There's a reason they collapsed completely without the total war of the Succession Wars.
>>94587603I really just like to think there's a point where while you can continue to iterate on designs and improve them, you reach a plateau for a given tech base. For example, when we're talking ballistic small arms, I can fully imagine we'll be using the M2 Browning and variants of the MG42 from now until that form of warfare is completely obsolete. Things can only get slightly better after a certain point.
>>94594232Like how swords and blades are still pretty much the same
>>94594202Yes, you have to remember that after the Periphery nations were broken and conquered, their economy/logistics were reworked so that they were almost entirely reliant on Star League, and that prevented any real way for them from recovering from the absolute atrocities they were subjected to during the Reunification War. When Star League fell it not only fucked the Periphery over economically, but the Great Houses also started nuking everything for the chance to sit on the fence chair on Earth and be the new House Cameron, which fucked over everyone. And on top of all that, the fall of Star League and begining of the First Succession War meant a lot of mechs and ships were seized by rogue military units who deserted the various militaries of the Great Houses/SLDF and decided to be pirates instead, and the Periphery, already fucked over from everything else, were easy targets, leading to an ongoing pirate infestation that plagues the Periphery for pretty much the entire Succession Wars Era.
>>94594223It's a testament to the Star League's strategists that they fucked over the Periphery so thoroughly with economics.
>>94594309I mean at some point you can't really make a more lethal knife without some radical redesign. You can make a blade shorter, longer, out of different materials, coat it in poison, or what have you but at the end of the day a hard edge on a stiff piece of metal that can puncture through armor into someone's chest cavity is all you really need.It would be like saying a mech with an enlightenment-era cannon mounted on its shoulder that gets exactly one shot per battle but packs the same punch as an AC20 is bad. There's better fire controls, munitions to pack in, feeding mechanisms, and all that, but getting blasted by a 40 lbs steel ball flying at you at 400 ft/sec is still lethal. I know want a pirate mech with an armament like this.
>>94594388And you would need to light an old timey fuse from the open cockpit that would take at least 15 seconds to burn down and actually fire the weapon.
>>94594329>leading to an ongoing pirate infestation that plagues the Periphery for pretty much the entire Succession Wars Era.And beyond. A lot of the medium sized periphery nations have almost all of their military history defined by fighting pirates. Or being pirates. The biggest threat Fronc ever faced was a pirate alliance that was actively attempting to break the nation entirely due to their "shoot first, take no prisoners, ask questions never" approach to anti-piracy measures.
>>94594398What are you, stupid? That's what the monkey is for! And by monkey I mean your "gunner"
Kind of shame there's nothing but big blanks on 1~2 o' clock and 10 o' clock Periphery areas
>>94594448
>>9459444810 is basically old RWR worlds trying to keep their shit together. I forget what's out Bad News way except Port Krin, but there's a shit ton of independent pirates out there.
>>94594461>>94594457It should also be noted that systems get dropped off the big star maps all the time because they're independent places so unimportant that they're just not seen as worth showing. They're could hundreds, maybe even thousands of independent planets that were deemed to unimportant and out of the way to bother logging on the general Inner Sphere star map. Especially since colonization is a thing still slowly happening in the background.
>>94594503It can be seen with the new colony region, that part of space was basically blank other than Herotitus and Detroit, but several of the planets were written as having been inhabited for centuries before any organized attempt to settle the region.
>>94594529Where's the new colony region?
>>94594558Basically just Rimward(down) from Fronc reaches. Past Aurigan space, if you played HBSBT
>>94594660Who's doing the colonizing, though? Capellans?
>>94594714Taurians and Canopians.
>>94594503IIRC the Outworlds Wastes are mostly still viable-ish colonies, they're just primitive, independent, and isolationist. The kind of place where trying to land a DropShip might see you greeted with a bunch of natives holding revolvers and lever-action rifles.
>>94594760>the worst people are the only ones who can afford to colonize more worldsThe Dragon is displeased by this. Faggot Clanners have cost us dearly.
>>94594835Or sticks and stones.
>>94595066the great houses invest all of their resources into killing the other great houses(and clans), not colonization
No one sells a decent looking Taranis BA mini, right? I'll have to either kitbash or print if I want something that looks like it?
>https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=86715.0Holy Blake, are they too poor to hire an editor/proofreader?
>>94595186Digital only was a mistake.
>>94595186I've griped about that with every recent publication. I caught a warning on the discord for offering to proofread for them if they're a publishing company that's ignorant of what that was.
>>94595186At this stage they're more likely relying on customers to find the errors rather than spend the money and effort themselves.
>>94595186It's copy protection, unless you buy it and can receive updates you will be stuck with wrong rules.
>>94595225>At this stageIt's been that way since the FASA days. I don't think I own a single BT book that doesn't have at least one typo in it. Some of the FASA and FanPro books even have entire paragraphs duplicated.
>>94594232Hell, the British empire kept using the "Brown Bess" musket for 115 years, from early 1700s to the Napoleonic wars. Weapon technology did advance over that time, but not enough to completely obsolete it. It just went from a state of the art weapon to an old-fashioned but cheap and easy to build one that still did its job well enough that there wasn't a need to replace it as the standards firearm of the British army. It was only when firearm technology advanced to the point where flintlock muskets were completely replaced that it got finally phased out in favor of more modern firearms.
>>94594143>Apparently BEX got a new version in September.Nice to see that's still going, it's the only playable alternative to RT and BTA. I suppose Hades Rim counts too but that's something else altogether
>>94594457I want to see leviathan's rest, the deatj's gaze cluster, discover RWR's lost outposts and other deep space black sites, reclaim the lost clan road sites, meet autistic lost settlers and natural wonders, build bases at the edge of known space, I want to fuck mad hoes at rest stopGAH FUCK THE ISI WANT TO EXPLOOOOORE
No one seems to like putting re-engineered lasers on mechs other than the fedsuns. Are the only "common" ones outside davion space the Gallant and Cicada?
>>94595470>No one seems to like putting re-engineered lasers on mechs other than the fedsuns.I mean, weren't they a NAIS project? Makes sense they'd largley be a Fed tool
>>94594457What the fucks up with those RWR outposts? Amaris looking for the ultimate deep space bug-out hole to hide from bagpipes?And thats with all the destroyed planets to the galactic "north"?
>>94595186>>94595202>>94595225It's "too cheap" not "too poor". Also, maybe some other authors aside from BLP have decided that they don't like stinky editors second-guessing them.>>94595310That's diabolical, but I'm pretty sure not true. If you can pirate one copy, presumably you can pirate the updates.>>94595470That's because RELs are stupid.
>>94595470Before the rule retcon, they were the Albatross around Davionman's neck.
>>94595470Two ER MLs for 2 tons or two REE MLs for 5 tons? Hard choice
>>94595470They seem really niche anyway. They're hotter and they weigh a lot more, all for a slight damage boost. Yeah they can punch through certain armor types better, but more often than not you're never going to see anyone bother with reflective or hardened armor. I could maybe see R-ESLs replacing machine guns on mechs, but then again you could just use Small pulse lasers for that anyway.
Let's just take a moment to pause and acknowledge the time a Battletech fan tried to take a case about his unicorn fursona being canon to the United States Supreme Court. https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/275w6r2yc/supreme-court-of-the-united-states/scott-malcomson-petitioner-v-topps-inc/
>>94595533And we're all worse off for it. Fucking furries
>>94595538I don't think it made a difference either way.
>>94595199That's the best part, it's not digital only. Physical books have the same errors.So you will have your brand new Battletech book and need an errata for it after a month.
>>94595545Eridani Light Horse got buried for a while because of it.
>>94595507Relying on the customers to find errors is exactly what being "too cheap" is.
>>94595556Wait, is that really why they got fucked over in Dark Age?
>>94595580Yes. They didn't want to deal with being IP trolls connected to the Italian mob AND autistic furfag IP trolls.
Is the Clans answer to both communism and globalism?
>>94595798>communismNot really a thing in BT>globalismWe are....way past that, like WAY past that. There are hundreds of world to one interstellar identity.
>>94595889>We are....way past that, like WAY past that. There are hundreds of world to one interstellar identity.Just scale it up. Star League / RotS was the new "globalist" threat. Like we're just dealing with some sort of generic one government/new world order bogeyman, the name doesn't have to be accurate.
>>94595925>>94595889Spherealism
Which of the great houses has the most Archers? I know they're super common, but if you had to pick one that isn't the free worlds league, who would you say?
>>94596010Lyrans. At a time when common designs were being produced in one or occasionally two factories in each of three or four of the Successor States, the Lyrans were producing Archers in four factories just by themselves.
>>94595925>Like we're just dealing with some sort of generic one governmentThe joke is that pretty much everybody anywhere in the IS grew up under a OWG.
>>94595310>It's copy protection, unless you buy it and can receive updates you will be stuck with wrong rules.So we're back to the good old days of pirates having their games actually work while faggots paying through the nose get assfucked by the copy protection? Nice.
>>94596010>that isn't the free worlds leagueWait why not the Free Worlds League?
>>94596051I already have an archer painted up in FWL colors.
What are some good christmas gifts for someone who is into Battletech? Preferably in gift card form so they can get exactly what they want.
>>94595889>There are hundreds of world to one interstellar identity.Yet the Dragon's work remains incomplete...
>>94596270I guess from Catalyst.Tip: gift cards are stupid. Write a card, say you were going to give a gift card but realized that the recipient might have other stuff in mind, so gets some cash but please spend it on something stupid like BattleTech instead of just rent or socks.
>>94595186>Holy Blake, are they too poor to hire an editor/proofreader?YES
>>94595186Tithes have to come from somewhere ya know
>>94594660>>94594714It's the region of space that became Fronc.Fronc itself has actually been doing a bit of colonization further out though, including some terraforming. So far they've managed to turn three previously uninhabitable worlds into economically viable ones.
>>94594558>>94594558>>94594660>>94594714>>94596607makes you wonder how the Aurigan worlds are doing
>>94595066Taurians are canonically the only only major group that was still interested in exploration & colonisation tho. Makes sense, given their nature and history. A shame the writing has most served to just flanderize them.And the Canopians were fun, until they became a commonality for the Capellans and plot device.Not like the Dragon was doing much exploration.
>>94596661Pretty sure it was said that they collapsed some years after HBSBT
>>94596691it's a dayum shame
>>94596661they were gone like 5-10 years after the game ended
>>94596691>>94596727i'm guessing ROM bailed on Lady Arano
>>94596661They're probably just a bunch of independent worlds with just enough established identity to make it not worth trying to fold them into a larger nation. Some independent worlds would want to join up with a space nation if only one of them cared enough to spend resources on it. Other worlds would force you to go to war against them to get them to join you. Those ones might be more like that with splintered remnants of the Aurigan military and cultures still considering themselves to be Aurigans enough that they don't want to be Capellans, Canopians, or Taurians.
>>94596732They got what they wanted
>>94596732ROM?
>>94596809romance, yesafter the events of HBS she never scored
>>94596809The spirit of Romulus, father of civilization. Fuckin gottem with that epic pump and dump prank.
>>94596809BattleTech RomulusA group of Taurians on a brutal frontier world find an old Star League space station with an alien on it and struggle to survive
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