Anyone checked Brancalonia out?
Do not mix with regular 5E races and subclasses, the originals are far more powerful for less flavour.E6 isn’t needed in 5E, levels 8-10 would have a good stop point somewhere in them.Really flavourful and unique compared to most third or even first party 5E books.Good selection of books.
>>94661175A funny, versatile setting that's going pretty strong. A brand new monster manual, a big adventure compendium and an atlas just came out for Christmas.
>>94661429Your boss is going to fire you from the ad department.
More like Brancucklonia
>>94661175Buy an ad.Or at least stop regularly reposting this thread
>>94662267how common does this D&D variant come up?I can't remember a thread about in the last 6 months
>>94662729This game gets a repost about once per 5-6 weeks. Always same aimless shitpost in tune of "how is/have you tried already"Get a clue, clowny - it's counterproductive. At this point it's downright annoying to have yet another repost.
>>94662227By the Gods I won't discriminate anyone for their appearance but I goddamn hate those fuckers from the city twenty miles away. Also Pisans, and everyone south of the Po should be put to death. Hate people from the mountains or the swamps too. Here, that's the proper Italian approach. Parochial hatred, pure and undivided.
>>94661175Good art, amusing setting (though you lose out if you don't get the memes/references), tied to 5e slopshit.
>>94662267>>94662754Have you considered the possibility that there are people who are not autistically obsessed with refreshing /tg/ who might want to know about a game?
>>94661175I played a one shot in this setting, but the GM used Forged in the Dark as system.It was fun.
>>94662754Falsehttps://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/brancaloniaI liked its art, but the setting has tieflings, which instantly makes it shit.
>>94662227that's actually a pretty based take for a fantasy setting desu
>>94662227>letting you still be racist raw but hiding behind "it's just teasing"Actually based.
Bump on the off chance anyone has an actual opinion on it to share
>>94664580Malebranches aren't tieflings, they are actual devils who were stripped from their powers when they renounced their allegiance to Hell and became more of less normal humans except for a few lingering minor traits. There's nothing edgy about them, if anything the edgiest race of Brancalonia is the bieconiglio, a race of not!german psychopathic hare men introduced in The Empire Whacks Back.
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>>94661175Hands down the best splatbook and setting that shitpile of 5e has
>>94661429>>94661357>>94661175Buy an ad
>>94667642Well, here's mine: I genuinely like how Brancalonia diverges from typical anglo/nordic fantasy tropes and instead offers a completely different point of view. The point of Brancalonia is that it does a splendid job to resonate with the italian way of approaching fiction, which will always try to be somewhat comedic and... let's say sardonic, regardless of genre. You have to always keep in mind that the players aren't supposed to be heroes in Brancalonia, but actual knaves, a bunch of Beagle Boys-tier retards who are just trying to survive the shit life pulls on them while trying (and mostly failing) to do as less legwork as possible. Sure, you can try to be as dignified as Sturm Brightblade or as intimidating as Gotrek Gurnisson, and you can actually pull it off most of the time, but you aren't the hero of an epic story, you are and will remain a nutty moron trying to make ends meet in fantasy renaissance Italy, and any heroics you will end up doing will be purely accidental. At the end of your day, you will always be nothing but a low-level, low-class mook with a bounty on your head for the most ridiculous reasons (even literal saints have a bounty on their heads in the Bounty Kingdom. Fortunately, the cops are as lazy and good-naturedly foolish as the knaves are, given that they recruit from the same stock of people that forms the backbone of every group of knaves). It takes a certain kind of player to fully enjoy spaghetti fantasy, just like it takes a certain kind of viewer to fully appreciate spaghetti westerns. Personally, I like how pragmatic, down-to-earth the setting manages to be, but I will admit it can be too lolrandumb at times. In any case, there are regions in Brancalonia where things are more serious, such as Spoletaria (not!Abruzzo, which is pretty Sword-and-Sorcery themed) and Penumbria (not!Romagna/Umbria, which is perfect for horror/noir adventures), so the right DM has enough legroom to cook up something different.
>>94662227I don't understand why people put these disclaimers in their books.Either the players are already going to play that way in which case it's unnecessary, or they're not going to in which case it's useless.There's no church who's gonna read thR disclaimer and realize that his paladin needs to be open-minded and can't be racist against gay orcs like planned.
>>94667732>a race of not!german psychopathic hare menThey sound based
>>946682271. They're just doing it to try to make money2. They're actual leftist cucks
>>94668227It's 100% virtue signaling. They know it's a waste of page space, but they have to put it at the start of the book to advertise to everyone what good and moral people they are.(Also because if they don't the Twitter schizos will chimp out)
>>94668259Those are both good points. I feel stupid for not thinking of them.
>>94661175>Spaghetti FantasyWhat does that mean? Like pic?
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>>94668867the writers gave a list of works that inspired themA “back-to-front” version of Medieval Italy, this fantastic, fairy-tale influenced, roguish world quotes, collects, and mixes contributions from contemporary and classic Italian fiction, pop culture, and collective imagery:• Traditional Italian folklore and fairy tales, from Le Piacevoli Notti (The Pleasant Nights) by Straparola tothe eighteenth-century Lo cu*nto de li cu*ntoi (The Tale of Tales); from Carlo Collodi’s Pinocchio to the most popular collections of folk tales of the Bel Paese.• The chivalrous and courteous tradition, from medieval “cantari” (minstrel ballads) to Renaissance epics.• Our period movies, such as For Love and Gold (or The Incredible Army of Brancaleone) and The Profession of Arms; and international blockbusters with Medieval and Renaissance settings, like Ladyhawke, The Princess Bride, and Flesh + Blood.• Twentieth-century Italian fantasy masterpieces by writers such as Pederiali, Eco, Buzzati, and Calvino.References and InspirationAn exhaustive list of all the movies, books, and comics that have been inspiring to Brancalonia's authors and contributors would require many pages. Here you can find a short selection and a good start. Enjoy the Italian style!Comics* Magnus & Romanini – The Company of the Gallows* Magnus & Bunker / Cimpellin & Bunker – Maxmagnus* Pratt – Corto Maltese series* Rastrelli & Nuti – Giovanni delle Bande NereBattaglia – Gargantua and Pantagruel, Il Corsaro del Mediterraneo,San Francesco, and othersMagnus – Ten Knights and a WizardMarini & Desberg – Lo ScorpioneToppi – Cavaliere di Ventura, Europee, Mediterranee, Bestiario,and othersWood & Salinas / Gomez – Dago1/2
>>946689922/2Literature and folktales* Basile – The Tale of Tales* Calvino – The Baron in the Trees, The Cloven Viscount, TheNonexistent Knight, Italian Folktales, Orlando Furioso, TheCastle of Crossed Destinies, Invisibles Cities* Collodi – Pinocchio* Pederiali – Il Tesoro del BigattoBuzzati – The Secret of the Old Woods, The Tartare Steppe, TheBears' Famous Invasion of Sicily, and othersEco – BaudolinoPitrè – Sicilian Fairy Tales, Stories, and FolktalesRodari – The Road to Nowhere, and other storiesEssays* Cattabiani – Calendario, Lunario, Santi d'Italia, and othersMovies* Tale of Tales* The Rogues* For Love and Gold and Brancaleone at the CrusadesAttila Flagello di DioBertoldo, Bertoldino and CacasennoCinderella Italian StyleFantaghiròThe Profession of ArmsCaptain Fracassa's JourneyThe Devil in LoveLadyhawkeFlesh + BloodThe Princess Bridesurprised by Princes brides inlcusion
>>94668992>>94668996Interesting. Thanks.
>>94662227This virtue signalling is so cringe. If civilization survives this phase, we'll look back at it like we do Maoist struggle sessions or jewish notions of original sin.>>94668210>Anglo/NordicI think you're forgetting the Classical Greco-Roman in there too. Medusa, giants, satyrs and chimeras aren't Nordic, y'know.
>>94670180>Maoist struggle sessionsWell yes because that's the direct origin of this sort of preemptive proclamation.
>>94670180I was talking about the way the setting is supposed to work and how the story should unfold when I was talking about tropes, sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Italian storytelling is distinctly different from the anglo/nordic way: just look at how Sergio Leone's westerns differ from John Ford's, or how you can easily tell the difference between a Dario Argento or a Wes Craven horror movie. Similarly, italian players and DMs tend to have a different approach to fantasy: if the Lord of the Rings was written by an italian, the Fellowship of the Ring would have been composed of no-name plebs along the way, and there would have been no Gandalf or Elrond actively involved in its formation, both would have been working behind the scenes to nudge these no-name fools in the right direction. Gimli and Legolas would have still become friends, but they would have spent all the story trading barbs and teasing one another, never openly admit their bromance out of campanilism. Denethor wouldn't have needed Grima Wormtongue around to be an incompetent ruler and nobody would have given a shit about finding a king for Gondor, because it doesn't really matter who's in charge, all politicians are thieves and/or cretins according to italians. In the end, the good guys would have won, but their reward would have been a week of advantage to get their pleb asses away from Minas Tirith, to be poor and miserable somewhere else. And there would have been a lot more bar brawls and humorous sexy escapades along the way, Sauron and Saruman would definitely have hot wives the Fellowship could get frisky with.
>>94670737That sounds extremely based.Then again what would even be the point of getting the setting if you can't get an Italian to DM it for you.
>>94670737You're over-generalizing: Italy has no lack of serious epics and works in Italian tradition. For every Orland Furioso there's a Gerusalemme Liberata: despite my firm belief that Italians aren't militant by nature generalizing our self-deprecating nature isn't doing us any favours. It's simply that we aren't used to even think of ourselves as better than we are, merely as exploited serfs of higher powers. >>94668259>>94668256>>94668273The RPG market in Italy has changed in recent times. From a perspective of relative innocence we sadly failed to properly blunt anglocuck incursions and the usual dangerhairs, and they're now running the show despite tireless resistance. Would you believe we have the only official translation of Nechronica outside of Japan and the fuckers wrote a X-card/abuse warning/struggle session page because if you're playing a game about loli undead zombies you are of course unprepared about hard subjects? Goddammit.
>>94661175What was the deal with the "animated object" characters?As in, are they a reference to something?I don't own any of the books, I just played a game with that setting.
>>94670790Everyone can learn to evoke the right mood... grimdark is something that's pretty alien to the average italian's worldview, yet italians love WH and have no problems getting into it. Deadlands was entirely made and mostly played by americans, and it's spaghetti western, you don't need to be an italian to pull it off.
>>94670707Yes, thank you, that was exactly why I mentioned the spiritual successors to the concept.>>94670737I understand all of that, but I'd make the point that epics aren't a specifically Nordic (I'll simplify, since Anglos are racially Nordic anyway) type of storytelling. It's simply a broadly Indo-European tradition. Jason and the Argonauts aren't a bunch of no-name plebs (although they do get frisky with the occasional all-female island), nor are the Homeric heroes.The 'nostalgie de la boue' that you're describing might be particularly modern-day Italian though. To my knowledge there's a bit of it in some French culture too (le noble savage in the projects etc.), and bits of it across Europe (there are lots of German and Scandi movies about drug addicts and alcoholics and whatnot). 99% of American media is the same, with the fetishization of the plebeian race-mixed underdog in the face of the WASP aristocracy. I think it is probably a post-war reaction to muh fascism bad, where it is only safe to tell stories from the perspective of dysgenic retards, since anything else might be seen as affirming hierarchies and epic ambitions, not to mention general Kali Yuga inversion of morality in modernity.That being said, I'd definitely play your Lord of the Spaghett, but I certainly wouldn't be able to run it.
>>94670844>grimdark is something that's pretty alien to the average italian's worldviewStoicism and tragedies shouldn't be though. At least for those Italians who descend from Romans, Hellenes (and Nordics, since the Havamal and the sagas are certainly stoic and tragic as well).
>>94670794>It's simply that we aren't used to even think of ourselves as better than we are, merely as exploited serfs of higher powers.I'm pretty much convinced that what happened in WWII has made us more pessimistic and pragmatic than what we used to be before, completely shaken the foundations of our national character to the core. I think we are still capable of great things and that we have a whole lot to be proud of compared to every other westerner: however, no matter what you do, there will always be a big, fat super-duper power with infinite resources ready to steal our thunder and deploy their Sefton Delmers to aggrandize themselves and throw us back into the gutters. In some way, this is flattering: we have not even a fraction of their power, yet they see us as rivals and competitors, as if they would be back being slaves of Rome if they ever let their guard down. I never feel one bit of self-deprecation: if anything, it's the opposite.>>94670872>I think it is probably a post-war reaction to muh fascism bad, where it is only safe to tell stories from the perspective of dysgenic retards, since anything else might be seen as affirming hierarchies and epic ambitions, not to mention general Kali Yuga inversion of morality in modernity.That would be the reasoning behind the 'nostalgie de la boue' of the typical leftard. To non-leftist italians, it's slightly different: we consider the world an harsh and unjust place, ready to sucker punch you back in the dirt any time you manage to prevail against all odds, yet we refuse to let that stop us. Any time the going got rough, no matter what, we found in us the strength to get back on our feet, we rebuilt. This piece of shit world never knocked us down for good, and never will. And that's also a theme that I feel is important in Brancalonia: sure, the knaves will always be knaves, but who cares? They get the gold and the bitches in the end, and that's what really matters.
>>94664021You forgot to say the closer you are the greater the hatred!People from far away are certainly disliked but the ugly mug of the neighbor lives rent free in the head of the Italian.I do wonder if the books do put some special foods among the valuables section, a nobleman's house pantry raid could net more than stealing his safe (though the cook is probably the strongest sub boss of the adventure module, so beware!)
>>94662227>Every single character's [...] food preference - even the weirdest - is accepted with a shrugAre they implying I'm not allowed to feel genuine contempt for someone who breaks their pasta?
>>94671509>I do wonder if the books do put some special foods among the valuables section, a nobleman's house pantry raid could net more than stealing his safe (though the cook is probably the strongest sub boss of the adventure module, so beware!)Not only special food is there, but you can also turn most monsters into it.
>>94671509And there are also elementals that are MADE OF food.
>>94671765Calzone golem my beloved. You return to me in my hour of greatest need.
>>94670872>. 99% of American media is the same, with the fetishization of the plebeian race-mixed underdog in the face of the WASP aristocracy. I think it is probably a post-war reaction to muh fascism bad,They had an entire revolutionary war against the wasp aristocracy/empire where the foundational mythology is being the plucky underdog. Its from that.
>>94670794>Would you believe we have the only official translation of Nechronica outside of Japan and the fuckers wrote a X-card/abuse warning/struggle session page because if you're playing a game about loli undead zombies you are of course unprepared about hard subjects?If I were translating Nechronica I would give advice on how to make it even more disturbing and uncomfortable.
>>94671765I had dragged my feet on buying any rpg book given I have no group nor time to play... but I can recognize this has value beyond the game even just to show off to family and friends so I'll grab a copy next time I drop in the hobby store.
>>94670890Italians are pretty stoic, it's just that they express their stoicism in a radically different way than the nord. Germans and scandinavians are grim and resolute in the face of adversity, the british have their stuff upper lip, and we are, as I've already said before, sardonic. Heck, the term itself derives from sardinian. You should always expect a proper italian to face his doom with a lot of gallows humor and amusement, as if he fucking expected things to go to shit. Obviously, a nord would be appalled and disturbed by this, and would without a doubt consider the italian a crazy fatalist fool, just as the italian would think the nord is being a depressed wreck with no true will to live as usual, and that he would probably be just as depressed if he had the misfortune of coming from a grey, dull land where the sun never shines, nobody can cook and women are unfuckable lardasses such as Germany or (God forbid) England. The reality is that both are going to react in the exact same way to this curveball life gave them (by fighting tooth and nail), but the nord is going to scowl and growl like he's fucking Conan during the battle of the mounds all the way, while the italian will crack shitty jokes and smile like Subotai. It seems to me that grimdark doesn't come natural to us, we are more grimbright in mentality. What do you think?
>>94671173>sure, the knaves will always be knaves, but who cares? They get the gold and the bitches in the end, and that's what really matters.I am reminded of the Havamal:>Better to be alive than dead,>Only the living enjoy anything;>I saw the hearth-fire burn in the rich man's hall>But he himself lay dead at the door.I don't think you're expressing a uniquely Italian mindset though. But I guess that's my general bias: Europe is more alike than different, and we'd realize that if only we could shut up our friendly neighborhood subterranean money-lenders for a decade or two.>>94671589Wait till you hear about us Nords slathering it in ketchup kek>>94671870Yep, and they have adopted the religious worldview of a tiny handful of nobody desert tribesmen with delusions of grandeur and a psychotic hatred for Rome (and anything they deem Rome-adjacent), which reinforces the same underdog mythology. It's pretty bizarre watching them* bend into bagels trying to envision themselves as underdogs since WW2 though.*both the Americans as well as the desert tribe, come to think of it
>fun Italian RPG>spends thread bitching about real life politics because you have inferiority complex about a single paragraph
>>94661175I tried getting my friends to play this, to no avail. The problem is that Italy doesn't reward its talents
>>94672176Kek. That's an interesting dichotomy. I think you're right that the Nordic stereotype is to take it on the chin with a scowl and die of cancer without mentioning it to anyone, while the Med stereotype is... let's say... louder (Jove knows that your women are!)? Kek. That being said, I haven't seen Meds go through significant stress and react any differently than Nords though, but I only have a tiny sample size of Meds compared to Nords. Picrel seems more grimdark and defiant than sardonic IMO. The legends of the Arditi and so on are similar, as are most of the famous last words of the great men of Antiquity. More laconic than sardonic, I would say.When comparing mythologies and philosophies, I think that Homer gives a picture of death that is quite similar to that of the Havamal, free of any sort of sardonic element - but I do think that Homer's tradition may be more reflective of a generally European perspective, rather than a specifically Mediterranean one. After all, the Hellenes were the result of a succession of waves of migration from the North. And I'm not really well-versed in Mediterranean folklore and mythology post-christianization unfortunately, so I can't compare there.Do you have any examples of a uniquely Italian sardonic-in-the-face-of-death stereotype you're hypothesizing, Berluscon-Anon? Historical or otherwise?
>>94672648found the faggot who whined on twitter until they put in the struggle session
>>94672176Since were quoting stuff here's one from a good book about Arthurian legends retiring to Avalon which is conveniently located atop a magical mountain in the alps:"Who rides to battle joylessly isn't worthy of being called a knight! A knight only follows a just cause and if your cause is just even if you ride to your death you should do so with a smile on your face!"(Or something, it's been ages since I've read the final battle.)...Kind of only works if you do have a cause that isn't just getting richer though, which seem to be more on the line for this setting. In fact I am of the opinion one of the best adventures one could have with this might be one where a group of disgruntled misfits gets together out of spite just to ruin a powerful guy's day in anyway they can.>>94672685Not him but imo anybody aims to be cool in their finest hour, given the influence cinema had over the years I can say a typical hollywood one-liner of badassery with a sprinkle of humor has become the norm for everybody in Europe nowadays... Though I think Italian insults are a bit more scathing and occasional blasphemy much more accentuated than the protestant side of the world.And I am reminded that in late medieval times cities mostly fought by hiring mercenaries to fight... who sometimes didn't actually fought all that hard during petty intercity conflicts. If one side had the advantage the other might just refuse to fight and if a fight was to be had the melee would have had both sides try to reduce their casualties as much as possible because getting hurt was not remunerative (if not switch sides outright if bribed well enough). One exception was if they fought against foreign powers and for religious differences in which case it became personal.
This is why we don’t talk about Brancalonia, it’s somehow an excuse for an /int/ thread because certain Italians can’t deal with other people having different tastes.
>>94673266Italians are desperate to find somewhere offtopic to talk about their dungheap because if they had to post somewhere where people were inclined to respond they'd be laughed off the internet like usual
>>94672685Quattrocchi would already count, it's actually a great example: remember, being sardonic in the face of death not only means not being scared of your death, but also means mocking and humiliating your murderers, and that's exactly what Quattrocchi did, he refused to be intimidated by his captors and futilely attempted to free himself so he could kick their asses. He knew he was a dead man anyway, so why let the terrorists use his executions as propaganda? Better goad them into shooting an unarmed, bonded man out of fear he could free himself, making his captors look like cowardly scaredy cats in the process and negating their attempt at demoralization. "I will show you how an italian dies!" indeed: it may look hopeless, but no way I'm not gonna kick your ass anyway just out of spite. My personal favorite example would be Enrico Toti, one of the he ballsiest men who ever lived. He didn't die indeed, he's still an example to every italian.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_TotiAs for the similarities that you keep finding between nordic and italian culture, well, a significant part of the modern italian genetic code, culture and language comes from the Langobards, which were, in fact, nords.
>>94674832I don't think we disagree much. I am reminded of Svein Buason, the Jomsviking famous for tricking his enemies into botching his execution and chopping off a set of their own hands.>TotiI had read about that madlad once. What a man!>LangobardsNot to mention Burgundians and Goths. The North and Baltic Seas creates Gens, the Mare Nostrum creates Imperium. A good combination for Europe if I may say so myself.
>>94674981>>94674832Wtf is this nonsense
>>94675129cope basicallyYou can see here >>94675188 the kind of things they have to cope about
>>94675129>angry and confused about European thingsshalom jacob
>>94662227>racism doesn’t exist because there are extra races Huh? Does anyone think we wouldn’t have racism if green and pink people existed irl? Winged people maybe?
>>94676665>Everything must be 1:1 copy of Ameriland, or else Amerilanders get confused and start screeching
This thread has been derailed but I'm going to ask anyway Has anyone run the adventure at the back of the book? I'm reading through it right now and I'd appreciate tips on how to run it
>>94672176>Obviously, a nord would be appalled and disturbed by this, and would without a doubt consider the italian a crazy fatalist fool, just as the italian would think the nord is being a depressed wreck with no true will to live as usualAnd both sides would be correct about the other.
>>94677922There are six different adventures in the italian version of the main book, two set in Torrigiana (not!Tuscany) and the others in different regions... is the english book different?
>>94678134Ah, I thought it was one continuous adventure divided in missions (reading the Italian version btw)
>>94680950Ok. I've run the Buffardelli adventure first, which is supposed to be a relatively safe tutorial to introduce the setting and does a decent job of doing so: try to exploit the time the party spends gathering supplies before departing for their quest to nudge them into the right mindset and let them find out all the rumors about the fairies: they aren't expected to fight, but to think on their feet. If you play it as the introductory adventure, as I did, replace Manesco with another custom npc: this character is going to be their boss, so plan in advance how you are going to use him. Next, I've done the Rugantino adventure, and my players were pretty good at following the titular puppet's trail while avoiding trouble, as I had eased them into playing every encounter smart rather than kicking doors and picking fights along the way during the introductory adventure by encouraging them to do so via their npc boss. They even befriended Fiodená and his gang a few adventures later, despite having bested them in a bar brawl. If you plan to create your own adventures after this, as I've done, I suggest you use the all the various npc and locations in this adventure as possible plot hooks: the friar and the haunted forest ended up being two important recurring elements in the plot I later cooked up. I've yet to run the following adventures, but I've rearranged the Crimini one in Spoletaria, changing very little about it. My advice would be to watch out for the battle in the village, which has the potential to be a total party wipe, especially if Renatino and his gang are ignored and show up on the bandit's side. Have something ready to turn the tide if it looks like the party and the villagers would be completely crushed by the onslaught, or let them do something to level the playing field beforehand (my party duped the bandits into ambushing Renatino, thinking he was sent to stop them, and the resulting fight made the numbers of both parties far more manageable).
>>94681242This is very helpful! How did you handle the random encounters in the haunted forest? Did you use a custom table?
>>94681263No, my players just aced the survival roll and they found the Mangiafranco's camp without incident, duped the leader into wanting to join forces to make a heist, and rescued Rosetta and Rugantino by convincing them to sneak away with them in the night... which opened the way to the Mangiafrancos trying to assault Friar Gnecco's mill and setting fire to it in the process. Then, they lured Port Patacca's guards into the grand fighting tournament the party's boss was organizing. Since the boss had smoothed Fiodená's ruffled feathers by promising him to rig the tournament in his favor and have another go at the pc that knocked him down during the brawl (a zagarese bravo who would have probably get his ass handed to him if the two had a mano-a-mano), this led to him joining forces with the party to escape the apocalyptic brawl between the guards and the tournament's attendants and catch Gheraccio and his goons. After doing so, I had him insist about wanting to plunder the Mangiafranco camp, so everyone went back into the forest. This time, the the survival roll was botched (as I intended) leading them to met several ghosts and a few crazed treasure hunters as they got deeper and deeper in the woods, which lured them into an ominous ancient subterranean complex... but this is a story for another time ;)
>>94674981>Gerhard MuntheA man of culture and taste.
>>94682661I grew up with him and Lorenz Frølich in all the books. Great stuff.
I know nothing about this but I'm a sucker for the period
Are there star forts
>>94670737Stop trying to be a clown. You won't get sympathy points from Anglos or Germans because you try to be the clownish comic relief character.
>>94662267Just post a link to the pdf in every shill thread and they'll stop making them.
>>94673266>>94673288The Shitalians and the Nords are doing a better job of making this a good and comfy thread than either of you faggots are.Go break some spaghetti and shove it up your asses. You can use some extra whore olive oil that's been falsely labelled extra virgin (just like your mothers!) by gangsters as lube.
>>94667642I oft forget there were conquistadors exploring all those badlands in the west. Very underutalized aesthetic
>>94662754You're right anon, we should have a Brancadonia General thread so you don't confuse it for shilling!
>>94693537>Thinking that surviving and thriving in an hostile world that's rigged against you with nothing but your wits while beating the shit out of every opponent and cucking the bad guys in the process constitutes clownish behaviourWell, throw a pie in my face and call me Krusty, then.
I can't really say that I understand the appeal of "We're all scum who fuck around for the lulz" but hey
>>94695366Whoa there, you might be misunderstanding the motivation a bit. That's like saying gangsters do violent crime for their gang signs to not be laughed at, or that the mafia does what it does to show off their tailor made suits.The bottom line is first and foremost the money! If you can have fun or a cathartic moment of moral freedom along the way all the better but that's not the goal!
>>94695274Nah, your whole assortment of Tolkien was retarded. Also, Conan was written by Howard, who was also an anglo.
>>94695366Same>>94696455>The bottom line is first and foremost the moneyNot much better
>>94697320>>94693537>autistic D&C by burger who has never set food in the homelands of any of these peoplesCalm your tits anon. It's not the Italian's fault that you have joggers in your schools and bankers in your banks. Non-tismic Europeans do actually get along just fine, especially when there's no rootless cosmopolitans to rile things up.
>>94697320>Nah, your whole assortment of Tolkien was retarded. Because?>Also, Conan was written by Howard, who was also an anglo.Irrelevant. Is Conan a clown according to you? Having a will to survive the worst the world can throw at you is something only a buffoon, a comic relief character could have?
>>94676716The most racist American doesn't hold a candle to the average European when talking about Gypsies.
>>94662227No, that's pretty on point.Prejudice works by in group and out group. Racism is only one faucet of discrimination between the two (just the one every Burger knows because with their grasp on history it's like a canon event to them).Without significant visual and cultural ethnic differences, that same prejudice and in/out group behavior gets turned between neighboring villages (England) over what would be considered insignificant or minor differences by outside standards. Similarly, given the exhaustible supply of outgroup prejudice a population can maintain, as well as social pressures, it makes sense that ethnic background, skin colour or the like within a species is a minor difference, next to different species with different neurochemistry, vastly different looks, or genuinely different societies.
>>94697984That's because negros don't curse your family and shit in the street.>t. average European
>>94698223It doesn't matter how many space aliens or orcs show up, anon, I'm still not siding with (human) pedophiles or (allegedly human) bankers.
>>94697897Because Tolkien was a Catholic and his work has much in common with people of the same background, as the massive success of his works in Italy proves. Saying shit like "lol he was an anglo XD" makes you sound like a buffoon. Not to mention that your description it's just stereotypical picaresque literature, it's nothing special. >Having a will to surviveThere was no "will to survive" in your post. It was a lot of redditism. Added sex, swearing, being a self-deprecating loser, removing mentor characters like Gandalf. Yeah, I'm pretty sure LoTR would be a masterpiece with those elements added.
>>94696455This is why you pastafuckers are garbage
>>94699428>as the massive success of his works in Italy proves.His work also has massive success in aggressively agnostic Scandinavia.Rootless burgers should be quiet in threads like this.
>>94699428>Muh Tolkien was le catholic, therefore was appealing to meds>How dare you watch at Tolkien from a different point of view>Accusing others of being RedditBitch, you don't know anything about italian pop culture, it's days that you are just throwing a shitfit and baiting people. You don't even know who Lino Banfi or Bud Spencer is, you know jack shit about the italian sexy comedies of the '80s, you believe catholicism is still culturally relevant to the average italian, you confuse our own brand of pessimism for self-deprecation, you are appalled by swearing of all things, what are you doing in this thread? You are most certainly not here to understand Brancalonia and how it's based on italian popular culture like the other anons are doing, you are obviously uninterested in that. So, tell me, what's your problem? You are mad that an italian-american bullied your ass in high school? Some girl you had the hots for went to Italy and married one of the locals? Your sports team got humiliated by ours recently? It's funny to trade insults with you, but don't try to pretend that you want to talk about anything /tg/ related or give a single shit about contributing in any meaningful way to any thread.
>>94701395NTA>you believe catholicism is still culturally relevant to the average italianIf Africa really started at the Po, surely Italy would be in picrel kek>the italian sexy comedies of the '80sWhich one should I watch with my distantly Italian wife?
>>94702016https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornetti_alla_crema
Are there Byzantines?
>>94702016nta but catholicism being culturally relevant and attending church at least once a week are super fucking different thingI'm latin american and was forced into a catholic school, we literally had to pray every day at school, had religious imagery everywhere, etc, but I don't think I attended any actual church more than like once per year.
the fuck are you retarded cucks arguing about
>>94708831Most of the thread is a back and forth between an Italian with Nationalist leaning and a Scandinavian with nationalist leaning debating the culture of the Italian people with come comparison to northern culture, based upon self perception and the works the culture produced.Occasionally they are interrupted by another anon trying to start shit and then go back to their conversation.This is all because Brancalonia outside of its home country is one of those coffee table books you but because it looks fun and never use, and so basically nobody outside of one Italian anon can contribute otherwise.
>>94708819Yup, there's the fabled city of Constantinaples. They are yet to be explored in detail by the setting, however. To date, only the not!HRE got its own dedicated sourcebook (The Empire Whacks Back).
>>94708831Go back to black twitter please
>>94702087Thanks man, will check it out.>>94708825It was just bants, but that's a fair point.>>94708962Eerily accurate. Now stop spying on my coffee table from the bushes.
>>94661175Nah
Is this a good splat for a pirate game?
>>94709125What about TVRKS
>>94715085I barely played (didn't buy it, my DM ran a game on it), but our game was about pirates and turned out awesome.At least it does seem to capture the vibe well.
>>94715085The main book has a chapter about how things work in "the Seven Seas and a Half" surrounding the Bounty Kingdom, it's treated as if is was yet another region of the setting. There are also a few adventures and rules covering pirate matters scattered among the other sourcebooks. For now, it's the same thing as anything piratey is presented WHFRP: there's the basic gist, which is more than enough to tinker your pirate-focused campaigns. In any case, Brancalonia, by itself, it's all about seedy people doing seedy things, and that includes pirates and piracy.>>94715415There's a not!Ottoman empire (pre-conquest of Constantinople) in the East, however it's only mentioned briefly. I expect this will change in the future, however, given how influential were the Turks in the Renaissance period (which is supposed to be the foundations on which Brancalonia as a setting stand). If I were the devs, sea adventures, not!Ottomans and not!France would be on top of the list of things in dire need of a dedicated sourcebook.
>>94715572Cool beans, I'll see if I can find pdfs of the current expansions and see if it's something I want to get into.
>>94676716You realize africans literally kill and eat each others based on ethnic differences right? Zimbabwe massacres, rwanda genocide, Nigerian igbos, darfur war, zanzibar massacres etc etc.They're the undefeated kings of ethnic cleansings.
>>94722791>forgetting the ChineseNot so fast.
>>94715572>>94715441I'm trying to come up with a pirate adventure, can you give me some hooks to work with? My mind is a blank
>>94728552It's as simple as the making the chief knave of your party be a zagarese corsair or a Bucatinere (the Bounty Kingom's buccaneers) captain, bro. Or maybe you can have your knaves foil a moraceni (not!Berbery pirates) boarding and decide they are going to show the filthy sidonians who's boss in the seven seas and a half.
>>94661175>5eInto the trash it goes.
>>94728598Speaking of chief knave, is it a necessary NPC? My players want to be their own bosses
>>94728788I think the chief knave is not really a necessary NPC, but it can be useful to a DM. Think of him as your party's fixer, the dude who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy that is willing to to hire them to do all sorts of odd jobs all over the Bounty Kingdom and is friends with at least three johnsons from all walks of life in every city. Nothing really prevents the PCs to form their own gang with blackjack and hookers and be their own bosses if they want, but, personally, I feel it's more fun if they have to deal with their chief knave, or even better, with several of them, all trying to one up each other. My players also seem to agree, judging how they constantly shift their loyalties between three different bosses yet try to keep all of them appeased in some way.
>>94729096nta but I feel just like this guy's players >>94728788In my last campaign, DM had some "useful NPC" who worked like that and it was shit.
>>94708962>This is all because Brancalonia outside of its home country is one of those coffee table books you but because it looks fun and never use, and so basically nobody outside of one Italian anon can contribute otherwise.The oldfag Swiss, Austrian and German posters will at least be familiar with the Bud Spencer/Don Camillo side of the setting and get the overeall feel of it.
>>94729286one of the recommended films is Princess Bride I'm pretty sure even Brits and Americans who are ignorant of Italian cinema would have enough cultural knowledge to at least kinda get the tone the setting is going for
>>94729284As I said, the chief knave is not really necessary, it's just a matter of personal preference. Nothing prevents the players to be their own chief knaves and do their own thing, but since street cred and having a lot of friends (or people who owe you favors, at least) is pretty important in the Kingdom's culture, the party face better be up to the task.
>>94729320Inconcievable.
>>94701395Who the fuck is talking about Italian pop culture? I just pointed out you trying to speak authoritative of Tolkien's work when everything you said about it was wrong. You think being a clown is "culturally relevant". Is like an American pretending that The Big Bang Theory and McDonalds are high culture.
>>94731257Calm down, sperglord, nobody is "trying to speak authoritative of Tolkien's work". The only one being a clown here is you, since you are in a thread who is tangentially related to italian culture while obviously 1) not knowing anything about it, 2) refusing to learn or understand anything about it, 3) being hostile for no apparent reason and 4) pulling out of your ass the most baffling excuses to try to validate what are essentially your shitty opinions. Go on, report me to your janny girlfriend again, see how much I care, bitch.
>Brancalonia thread>it's 2-5 guys complaining about Jews and Americans while those groups both ignore them Many such threads.
>>94737467Seething is the natural state of Italians
>>94739292>He says, while seething about Brancalonia's existence since Christmas
>>94743173What the fuck are you on about, honestly?Anyways, I'm interested in the setting but it seems like it's more focused on general low-stajes fucking about. I want to play Braccio da Montone, Andrea Doria, Francesco Sforza, etc. Can the system support that kind of thing?
>>94743864Go tell your handler that you're using 4chan again.
>>94743913With copes like this, who needs a point?
>>94743948>anon makes fun of you for trying to discuss jews on /tg/ again>you take this to mean that anon wants to discuss jews with you on /tg/>also "2-5 people" means "Europe"Think of it this way, the sooner you accept my concession, the more time you'll have to eat crayons.
>>94743688The main point of the setting is that your players should be the ones taking care of the dirty jobs that are beneath the likes of heroes and badasses worth of being mentioned by history books, but nothing really prevents you to have your players go beyond level 6/7 (the suggested limit) and leave the life of a knave behind to be more dignified (and serious) figures. The system is literally D&D 5ed, so it's no problem at all. Heck, I quickly converted the rules in 3.5 before starting my campaign, the PCs are all level 9, and they deal with the three chief knaves they have served in the past as equals instead of subordinates.
>>94745163Is there anything in terms of leading a band of condottieri, recruiting dudes, campaign logistics?
>>94749296For now, there's only a section of the Macaronicon (The Profession of Arms) that deals with these specific things, and that's mostly fluff, the main focus of the setting is that the PCs are zany mooks, not leaders of men. Quoth the introductory spiel of the main book (I'm translating directly from italian):>You live in a world of breathtaking adventures, heroic deeds and legendary exploits. Condottieri in shining armors lead fearless armies against terrifying enemies; capable, resourceful treasure hunters explore forgotten dungeons, dealing with lethal traps and nameless monsters. Sultry and gorgeous heroines deceive princes and merchants with their allure and steal riches worthy of a king's ransom in one night!>But you're not like them... you are the ones that replace them when things go wrong: lazy cheats, low-tier knaves, slothful charlatans and greedy crooks.>The Ugly, the Dirty and the Bad.>That's what you are.>You are the adventuring world's rejects, the cannon fodder of every battle, the scum that emerges when bottom of the barrel is scraped, the dirty dozen who only gets out of jail to accomplish desperate missions.>You feel it's unjust? So, you're not as dumb as you look... yes, it's unjust, but destiny has better things to do than worry about being fair with you...>Now quit your yammering, gallowbirds... it's time to get busy!
>>94750707Yeah I got that but that's not what I'm interested in running, so I want to know how much work it is to run real heroes instead of gutter chimps.
>>94751255That's exactly why I said before that it takes a certain kind of player to enjoy spaghetti fantasy: if you want to be the powerful hero, you have missed the point of Brancalonia entirely, it would be like wanting to play as a Megacorp CEO in Cyberpunk: technically, you could that, and it doesn't really take that much work to adapt the rules for this, but what you will end up with is essentially not Cyberpunk, you are playing something else entirely using the Cyberpunk setting. Why not just play Forgotten Realms or even Birthright instead of Brancalonia, at that point?
>>94751969>Forgotten Realmsmeh, in that one you're also some gutter chimps compared to all the mary sues.
>>94751969Because I like late medieval/Renaissance Italy with a fantasy dash, but I don't want to play some bum grubbing for pennies?
>>94754448Well, I suppose you can just use the fluff and heavily rework the crunch, then. You shouldn't have too many problems doing so, since the system is just 5ed, but it could be tedious. As far as the fluff goes, Brancalonia has you covered, pretty unique ideas and concepts and a surprising level of detail, it will definitely scratch that fantasy Renaissance Italy hitch you are having.
>>94662227cringe and gayinstantly lost all intereststhanks for sparing me the wasted time of looking deeper into the setting
>>94754448Then just use the setting, retard. Jesus Christ, did your parents raise the placenta and throw out the baby?
>>94755234>me: Hey I know this isn't what the setting is designed for, but I'm interested in using it, how much work would it take?>you: reeeeeeeee
>>94757182You got an answer already. The answer was "a lot. So much so that you'd be better off playing something else and just using the setting that you would like."
>>94755180My pleasure
>>94755180Written like a true nogames.
