>>94684859
I'm a simple man, I prefer a chain for the extra length.

Can we please keep chatter about Werewolf the Apocalypse to a minimum in this thread, please? I cringe every time people talk about Garou shit. I'm here for VtM, I don't give a fuck about these retarded furry eco-terrorists. I don't like having a prescribed mission and motivation, I don't like how they have nothing to do with traditional lycanthropy, I don't like all of the weird breeding shit and I don't like the fact that they're all morons who fuck up their mission in every possible way.
>But anon, that's all part of the appeal!
For me, that's all part of what turns me off of them. I fell in love with the World of Darkness because of the grungy atmosphere of Bloodlines, miss me with that hippy single-digit-IQ werewolf shit.

>>94684859
For me, it's the "generic 9mm pistol".

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Anyone got a power level chart like this but actually accurate? Maybe 2 charts, one for oWoD and one for CofD

>>94684859
that reminds me at the time i had a toreador primogen help the players fight off a anarch attack with like 8 flintlock pistoles

but to answer the tq personally i like to use a bastard sword whenever i am allowed to because i got into this hobby with dnd 3.5 and the person who got me into that told me to pick the weapons and feats to use it with my first character

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>>94684859
>TQ

Shotgun!
Sword!
And you!

I got a swoooooooord and a shotgun
And I'm bringin' 'em to Ely-si-um.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysrg7joWrxk

>>94684927
wtf is a great unclean one meant to be in the context of wod?

>be elder
>spend literal decades or even close to a century gathering the necessary xp, just so you can learn a six or seven dot discipline that's absolutely dogshit or so niche that it's useless for most practical purposes
do they really?

>>94684988
no they don't learn their first dot in elder abilities but instead they make them themselves so a elder can learn several 6th dot abilities of the same discipline but he assumed to have created his first one himself and the ones in the books are just meant to be the commonly known ones

up to you if that makes it worse or not

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>>94684902
Traditional lycanthropy is when you start growing hair in weird places, develop a taste for sneaking out at night because you "like the moon and the night air", and refuse to wear anything that isn’t ripped and edgy.
You befriend some hippies because they’ve got good doobie and start running with a pack of misfits who say they 'understand' you, and growl at anyone who doesn’t.
You get super emotional about random shit like a full moon or a forest clearing, become extremely protective of your personal space (aka your room), and suddenly hate 'The System' - whatever the fuck that even means to you.
And you’re horny all the time, for some reason.

>>94684859
In the long VtR campaign we played, my Nos used a Kriegsmesser most of the time, but also had a semi-auto shotgun pulled from a magic bag during a weird fae convergence incident in the city, and got a handy warhammer that was easier to conceal and useful against things that could break the sword.

In our CtL campaign my tiny femboy Fairest had a smallsword that fit with his theatrical fencing practice, but preferred not having to fight.

>>94684908
A 9mm and a three piece suit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckySxVwkej4

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>>94684948
Mage talk for an Archdemon

>>94684927
The floor for mages should be even further back

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>>94684988
>Checked

>spend literal decades or even close to a century gathering the necessary xp

The more you play the more XP you get.

So, just, like.
Play every weekend, man.

If you play every weekend for 10 years at an average of 2 points per session you'll have 1040 XP points - 1560 XP points if you average 3 points per session.

Do you have any idea how much stuff you can buy with 1040 XP points?
You can raise your 3 clan disciplines to level 7 with 345 XP points.
What do you do with the nearly SEVEN HUNDRED points left?

If you just want to get the 345 XP you don't need a Decade to do it, just a mere 3 years and 9 months, if you play religiously every weekend and average 2 XP points per session.

>>94685180
The floor for Mages is lava.

>>94685180
yeah kids can awaken and at sphere ones they are limited to sensing things so the lowest a mage could in theory go is a child that has hallucinations or rather looks like it has hallucinations from the outside

>>94685392
Seeing Patterns is not like hallucinating things.
It's part of your belief system.
You know very well what you are seeing and why.
You're not suddenly confused you're seeing blinking lights or whatever, you know what they are and what they mean.
Awakening is not like suddenly having erections when you're a kid, that they just start happening and if nobody told you what it is, you're confused as fuck.

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What is thee current state of the World of Darkness? I stopped reading around the time it was known as oWoD and nWoD. I remember the last books I read were Book of Mirrors (very fun ideas for a chronicle) and God Machine Chronicles. By that time Beast wasn't out yet and didn't care for Demon the Descent.
Does White Wolf still exist nowadays or was it shut down like its forum? What about Onyx Path? And what have been the new releases of any or game lines that are worth checking nowadays?

>>94685564
The very last official nWoD (AKA CofD) book came out this year.
We are still getting fan* made books via ST Vault.

*some of those "fans" are people who wrote official books.

Missed the thread change:

So I get why OPP is making Curseborne. They don't get to release CofD content anymore (although if I'm being honest, I'm not sure if Paradox is blocking everything, why "fan" content like the None More Dark stuff is allowed to release).

Considering that monster mash has always been the worst and most aimless type of game, with no themes and everyone's PC having clashing needs and desires, what possible reason is there to make the game monster mash?

Like your coterie is a standard vampire, a fishman who hates his overbearing family, a mage-thief who ritually sacrifices recognition for his crimes to power his magic, and an actual avenging angel? What do you even do? What makes these Donut Steels even hang out together? Who is your enemy faction? Your dad? Really?

>>94685614
Any of those books are worth reading? And is the World of Darkness still being released officially or have all creators moved somewhere else?

>>94685564
You mean Mirrors, not Book of Mirrors. That's a Mage the Ascension 2nd Edition book.

>>94685674
You're right my bad. Its been a while since I checked them. Checking this Curseborne as mentioned here >>94685637 and I fail to see why they would want to join as a team when you can have them follow their faction, coterie, cabal, etc.

>>94685656
Check out Deviant. It came out after Beast and deals with superheroes. Did you read Changeling the Lost second edition? Many anons like it.
As for ST Vault books... the "second edition" clanbooks are pretty good. Many guys who wrote for CofD are now publishing ST Vault content under None More Dark - including said clanbooks.
oWoD is still around as V5, W5 and H5. New books are coming out, but they are shit.

In the equipment section, does the number listed under armor strenght count towards the strenght dot or for what is it?

>>94685738
Which system are you taking about?

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>>94685702
>Did you read Changeling the Lost second edition? Many anons like it.
I downloaded it here but wasn't a fan of how powerful Changelings got. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still prefer Dreaming or Dark Ages: Fae
I'll have to check out Deviant and None More Dark, thank you anon!

Christ, Terry released a video just a couple days ago. What the fuck could have happened? Such a shock, RIP

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>>94685738
Are you talking about this?

>>94685778
Embrace, Awakening, heart attack.
Take your pick.

>>94685827
Nigga was 40, too young for a heart attack to be expected

>>94685773
Why didn't they continue their universe or make Modern Ages: Fae? Changeling the Lost just can't compare and Dreaming doesn't look at all related to the mechanics of Dark Ages

>>94685766
>>94685810
HtV 2e and yeah I was talking about this. How did I not see that while reading?

>>94685637
>although if I'm being honest, I'm not sure if Paradox is blocking everything, why "fan" content like the None More Dark stuff is allowed to release
Paradox can't block that unless they pull the license. They're not individually approving pitches for fan content like they were official ones. Anyone can make fan stuff.

>with no themes and everyone's PC having clashing needs and desires
That one is squarely a you problem. Monster mash games should have just as much thematic scope as any other because the themes of the constituent parts overlap and clash which is just a new set of themes. Curseborne in specific has its own set of overarching themes which each splat toys with, which is the same as any WoD game. Tribes all do the woof things different, Families all do the curse stuff differently. Same deal overall though.

>what possible reason is there to make the game monster mash?
Monster mash is fun and gives you a different scope and design space.

>What do you even do? What makes these Donut Steels even hang out together? Who is your enemy faction? Your dad? Really?
It's all the same shit as any WoD game, monster mash or no.

>>94685873
>How did I not see that while reading?
Your subconscious got mad at the game for fucking your dyel PC and forgot this.
Avoid looking at the strength requirement for guns.

>>94685871
The winter court was simply too boring. Fear on itself is nothing and the spies thing it had going in Lost was boring too.

>>94685864
Bro, if you get shitty genes your heart can go kaput even if you are young and athletic.

>>94685564
>Does White Wolf still exist nowadays or was it shut down like its forum?
Gone years ago. They got bought by Paradox Interactive, the company that makes map painters, and shut down after they released some "controversial" material. Basically that vampires made Chenchya commit a gay genocide. Now they essentially only exist as a brand name under Paradox.

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>>94685564
>What is thee current state of the World of Darkness?
Dark.
So dark you need a flashlight and night vision googles to find it.
And a therapist to stick around it.

>I stopped reading around the time it was known as oWoD and nWoD.
Ah, the simpler days when acronyms were easy, and you could still play Kindred of the East unironically.
Now, "World of Darkness" is WoD unless it’s Chronicles of Darkness, which was nWoD but isn’t WoD anymore.
Clear?
No?
Perfect.

>I remember the last books (...) God Machine Chronicles.
God Machine Chronicles was so popular that the entire second edition of nWoD is now essentially just God Machine Chronicles pretending to be a continuation of nWoD.
People will flame war for days over this, but it's a mathematical fact.

>By that time Beast wasn't out yet and didn't care for Demon the Descent.
Beast is the RPG equivalent of watching someone’s Tumblr post get too many notes, only to find out the OP got canceled for crimes against humanity.
And Demon? It’s still around, I guess.

>Does White Wolf still exist (...) its forum?
White Wolf is like Dracula: Technically dead but rises from its grave once in a while to scare the villagers.
Paradox Interactive owns it now.
They resurrected it as a subsidiary but then killed it again.
Nobody knows when, but everybody knows it's gonna make a come back some day.
The forums, though?
RIP.

>What about Onyx Path?
If White Wolf is like Dracula, Onyx Path is like Renfield.
Still alive and scrappy, clinging to anything resembling its old master.
It's still around, trying to launch a Temu WoD called Curseborne.

>And what have been the new releases (...)?
Werewolf 5th Edition launched and was met with universal acclaim.
Fans love its deeper lore, perfect mechanics, and the way it perfected the line.
It’s totally not a flaming dumpster of retcons, bad vibes, and questionable design.
You should buy the whole line right now.
No notes.
Habeeb it.

>>94685871
i think it has to do with the distribution of dark age fae being such a cluster fuck for those not in the know dark age fae was at very very end of wod and several shops got it together with the (new) world of darkness core book and vtr, but the confusing does not stop there because for some reason some shops also got it months too late and some shops even claimed that they didn't got it at all despite ordering it

and i imagine stuff like that makes it probably hard to guess for a publisher like white wolf how populair the book was

>>94685940
What shitty luck they had, at least its not like Princess: the Hopeful where they claim "trannies make automatic magical girls due to their superior imagination"
>Ah, the simpler days when acronyms were easy,
In general I miss the 90's and 2000 a lot. Like Anders Mage Page and the close knit sense of community everyone had. Also Gargoyles

>>94685953
It was unplayable anyway. Unleashing was overpowered and the setting wasn't fleshed out enough. There's no way to adapt it to the banality system

>>94685964
>"trannies make automatic magical girls due to their superior imagination"
Wait, is that fucking real?

>>94685975
i don't have the book on me right now but didn't dark age fae have banality? i remember changelings in that getting less of it
>>94685977
it's a fanmade wod game what do you expect?

>>94685977
>Wait, is that fucking real?
I wish it wasn't but its right there in the lore section of the book. Its like it was made by a parody, then I remember it was made by discordshitters and it all makes sense.

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>>94685984
>>94685993

>>94685964
Imagination?
Is that the word we're using for it now?

>>94685564
They released Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary Edition (V20) that was supposed to be a love letter to oWoD with one book containing all clans, bloodlines, disciplines and everything. It became so popular it spawned multiple expansions and other oWoD splat were also getting their own books, W20, M20, C20, Wr20.
White Wolf was bought by CCP (guys that did EVE Online) and was planning to make a WoD/VtM MMORPG
Somewhere around this time Onyx Path Publishing was created by ex-WW guys and CCP licensed to them publishing both oWoD stuff and nWoD stuff.
In 2015 OPP announced the new proper edition of VtM, the 4th one.
Few months later CCP cancelled their WoD MMO and sold White Wolf to a Swedish company Paradox Entertainment (guys that do Europa Universalis, Crusade Kings, Hearts of Iron, etc.).
White Wolf under Paradox cancelled OPPs 4th edition and announced their own new edition. They somewhat elevated V20 to the proper edition level (so the 4th one) and named their own the 5th, or V5.
nWoD got renamed as Chronicles of Darkness (CofD) and kept being licensed to and published by OPP.
In 2018 V5 was released, the core book, followed by Camarilla and Anarch sourcebooks. It was a shitshow. It sparked a minor international scandal with Chechnya, Swedish ambassador got involved... Paradox took off V5 from the bookshelves and rewrote the most controversial stuff. White Wolf was basically dismantled and not allowed to write anything ever again. Instead the future released were to be done by third companies like OPP or Mophidius. Also Werewolf: The Apocalypse 5th edition got announced by Hunters Entertainmnet.
It was going like that for 2 years or so until Paradox elevated the World of Darkness brand team that was keeping all those third companies in check, and they announced that every book will be written in-house from now on. W5 that was being worked on was cancelled, instead they announced their own W5.

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>>94685964
>>94685993
Bullshit, there's no way they'd actually put something that retarded in

>>94685984
>i don't have the book on me right now but didn't dark age fae have banality? i remember changelings in that getting less of it
No, it has an echoes system. Basically if a fae scares humans they may do stuff like put the symbol of the cross or throw garlic, and if the fae fails a resistance check, the belief sticks and the fae becomes vulnerable to it.
I liked it more than banality because every fae could get unique vulnerabilities and it incentivizes hiding your identity for fear of gaining more echoes. I just don't see how it would work in the modern world where people don't believe in the supernatural.
Also the winter court is the most boring one.

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>>94685977
>"trannies make automatic magical girls due to their superior imagination"
>Men are better at everything, including being a magical GIRL

>>94686025
Page 17 of the Princess: the Hopeful Dream version which is the most popular one.
"Transgender Princesses (the proportion of princesses who are transgender is exactly the same as the proportion of mortals who are transgender).
So basically if you are trans, it automatically gives you magical powers

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If I want to create the character of Okarun with identical Turbo Granny abilities to run really fast (like run over lightning itself) but make it part of a curse, would it be better to make it a Deviant, a Beast or a Curseborne?

>>94685637
>What makes these Donut Steels even hang out together?
yeah they could have fixed that with one line about how the whole cursemixing that makes you stronger after working together over time works better with members of other families or splats, but didn't so now it makes little sense

you can't even say that it's to balance out strenghts and weaknesses because at a higher level everyone can learn so many powers of other families that the only real difference is gonna end up being the base template, which are not balanced at all. I still agreed to try to run it for my group next year, but i am not really excited for it

>Who is your enemy faction?
the enemy part of the manuscript is probably the best part of it from witches who hunt splats for body parts, blue collar warlocks to mecha angel tzimisce and stuff like that. It sucks however when it wants to present the player splats as npcs and instead of giving them the same "spells" the players have it gives them all the spell steal ability but when it's not trying (and failing) to stat the "accursed" as npcs i like it and i like whole cursed places thing they have going on, but i can't seem to vibe with the actual player factions because as mentioned they have little reason to work together, way too much overlap between the families of different splats, and i just don't like all the splats, but when i start thinking about limiting it to a few of them then i start to wonder why i would play this instead of a game that does one splat very well

so i might just end up using it as a antagonist book for cofd or scion

>>94686062
>"Transgender Princesses (the proportion of princesses who are transgender is exactly the same as the proportion of mortals who are transgender).
>So basically if you are trans, it automatically gives you magical powers
Did you type this out wrong or are you a mathlet?

I hate how taken for granted the Noddist perspective is. Like yep, Caine is the progenitor and not a single in universe source really disputes that. All the clan stories about their origins make it pretty clear. Even the fucking werewolves more or less outright say it's Caine. Where's the weirdo talking about how it's a disease created by aliens? Or that they're Atlanteans? After Alien Hunger there's no more obfuscation on what vampirism is.

>>94686062
>(the proportion of princesses who are transgender is exactly the same as the proportion of mortals who are transgender).
That just means that there's the same percentage of tranny princesses as tranny mortals

>>94686027
ah okay yeah it's been a while since i played dark age fae
>Also the winter court is the most boring one.
i remember liking the autum court and in the end we had a autum and spring humanitist (is that how you write it?) with a leaning toward keeping the peace of season group

>>94686024
WoD brand team announced a partnership with Renegade Games that was an RPG publishing company and the first big book to be released was the Sabbat sourcebook. It was universally hated.
They kept releasing trash to mid books. W5 is a dumpsterfire. H5 happened but most people forgot about it already. We got a V5 book about love and romance. Most of the stuff is corrupted by the woke virus. The art is ugly, with half of it being photoshopped images found via google. Official discord channel became an echo chamber where you can't criticize anything or you're a hater and a gatekeeper and trying to start edition wars...

Then there's the whole Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines thing. The initial release date was set for March 2020. It's been pushed back multiple times. Writers got fired. New ones were hired. Then fired. The developer studio got fired. The new one was hired to fix what was done but they pretty much started from the scratch, keeping very little of the old stuff. The game is set to release in early 2025 I believe, 5 years after the initial date. The game still looks like shit.

Meanwhile WoD team stopped greenlighting any OPP projects for CofD (or WoD20 for that matter). OPP decided to created their own horror urban setting, Curseborne. Few months ago they ran a Kickstarter for it.

I guess that's all.
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>>94686062
I take it you saw the word "transgender" and your brain shut down to seethe for a bit? That says almost exactly the opposite of what you said it does.

>>94686080
Deviant. The whole game is about having very powerful abilities for very steep drawbacks. Beast doesn't know what it is and Curseborne isn't about that, nor does it have the powerlevel to support anything close to it as of yet.

>>94686105
Autumn and Spring are the most interesting and entertaining. Also their spells are most useful, Summer was traditionalists who are obviously not gonna last much longer after the Order of Reason goes Enlightenment on their asses so they were also pretty weak,

>>94686106
>Bloodlines thing. The initial release date was set for March 2020
Remember Tender?
I remember.

>>94686088
Higher power levels will include more tiers of spells and more template mechanics

>>94686027
How would you even port that to modern WoD?

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>>94686136
true but right now as they are allow you to just learn a lot of the splat's spells as soon as you get level 3

>Entanglement 3: 7 curse dice. Characters may learn foundation spells from Lineage spell practices other than her own as long as they have any Lineage attunement, but it doesn’t have to match hers.

that's 66 out of the 93 available spells that become available to everyone who wants to spend the exp on them and i think that's too much when you want the different splats to feel unique outside of the lowest two levels

>>94686187
If you're counting the family secret spells there that's currently a mistake

>>94685564
>Does White Wolf still exist nowadays or was it shut down like its forum? What about Onyx Path?
CCP bought out the IP package from WW, but let them take ownership of Scion and Trinity and get a permanent license to continue producing World of Darkness and Exalted and keep using the White Wolf name and branding.

After a decade of dicking around with trying to make the WoD MMO while nWoD 1E was being happily produced without interference and the 20th anniversary books started coming out, CCP sold the package to Paradox.

The then unnamed studio that was still technically WW's writing lineage sold Paradox on a second edition with a rebrand to Chronicles of Darkness by showing them how much work would need to be done to just release errata books in the form of first the God-Machine Chronicles rules update. They also formally reorganized into an independent publishing house, Onyx Path Publishing, that's a lot more resilient and less dependent on selling licensed game lines like they were before becoming OPP.

A few years after buying the IP, Paradox had their new relaunch of the old WoD line with 5th edition of VtM, and after 5 or so years decided to just stop approving new CofD books after Vigil 2E absolutely eclipsed Hunter 5 in quality and reception. So OPP has decided to stop trying with Paradox and create Curseborne to compete in the urban "you're the monster" genre on their own terms.

>>94686194
ah okay i wasn't aware of that

so only Lineage (splat) instead of Lineage (family)? onyx path already said when they are gonna fix that?

>>94686209
Yes and yes. It'll be fixed in when the game is out.

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What traits would fit a Targaryen like Daenerys or The Mad King using Dark Ages rules?

>>94686221
ah okay, that's way better. Do you happen to have a source for that that i can show my group then?

>>94686227
>Targaryen
Refresh my memory, are those the incest-siblings?

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>>94686250
They are the blood of the dragon, they get resistance to diseases, prophetic dreams in some cases and the ability to command dragons. Used to be proficient in blood and fire magic but have long lost those abilities, so they are more supernatural than the average human but you won't see them throwing fireballs anytime soon.

>>94686227
wouldn't they basicly just have a merit (and the inbreed flaw) that allowed them to be chill with bygones or the lesser dragon kind?

Am I the only one that dislikes the "relaxing" of to Pogrom?
I want the Technocracy to be relentless and dangerous. Like I get using subversive methods to isolate Mages, but it feels lame if they don't go for the kill.

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>>94686241
OPP discord, DanielleL is Danielle Lauzon one of the devs.

>>94686269
I don't think it's unrealistic. Facism usually goes full steam ahead, then runs out of gas.

>>94686279
Arigatou

>>94686250
Try an aggressively knarled family tree akin to the Ptolemaic dynasty or the Habsburgs.

Their big thing was still possessing magically forged steel that was impossibly sharp and for a spirit of fire magic in it, and riding dragons. And Daenerys somehow was able to walk through fire without being burned.

>>94686290
If you haven't you should grab the latest compiled manuscript too. It had some fixes and tweaks as well.

How would the Elemental Kith from Dark Ages: Fae be translated into the Elementals of Changeling: the Lost? Their birth is very different

>>94686298
It's more similar in theme than actuality, but look up the House of Murnau from Inquisitor. Some good inspiration there for a cursed bloodline.

Hurt Locker was the only htv "2e" supplement, right?

How can you make the Winter Court in Lost more interesting? Sorrow isn't a cool emotion

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>>94684891
Fak u Belmont

>>94686337
Hurt Locker is a blue book. Tending the Flame is HtV, and Mortal Remains is basically 2e.

>>94686263
Fuck, if that was CofD, I'd make them a separate fantasy race.
I think prophetic dreams would be just a different kind of Precognition (4 dots merit).
Resistance to disease could be the Immunity merit (from Guide to the Traditions).
Dunno about dragons.

>>94686315
I mean, the Lannister twins are also heavily implied to have been the result of a Targaryen king taking liberties with Tywin's wife, which is why he hates that Tyrion is so much like him, while those two secretly went full Targaryen and had three kids together while her husband was sleeping around with every other woman in the kingdom.

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>>94686062
>Anon doesn't know what Proportion is.

Reposting 'cuz I had fucked up the end of the text in the book.

I may have said a lot of stupid things in my life but at least I can pride myself that none of those stupid things ever ended up giving birth to a meme.

>>94686140
>>94686027
>...how it would work in the modern world where people don't believe in the supernatural.
I don't think it'd be all that hard to implement, actually. In fact, I don't even think a mortal would need to believe in the supernatural in order to trigger these echoes. When faced with something as absurd as Fae creatures, even the most skeptical hardass will try anything to protect themselves. I think it's also important to remember that the humanity of centuries past is still the humanity of today. Sure, we have more technology and resources, but the fundamental components that make up our human experience are still very much there!

So, If you see a scary snail man chasing you...Why not throw salt at him? I mean...He if is a snail...It'd probably work, right?

>>94686400
>...He if is a snail...
Sorry guy, I'm a retard forget I said anything.

>>94686263
prophetic dreams can be everything between ocular ability, precognition or a generous interpretation of the common sense merit
not sure about diseases
there is also a merit to make yourself resistant to fire
albionism exists as a flaw, but in their own universe tageryans are seen as beautiful so it might not fit thematicly
"LOYALTY" is a 1 point merit in the bygone bestiary that makes the creature loyal towards either a specific person or group and gives them two extra die of willpower to resist supernatural control, but that merit would be on the dragons and not on Daenerys herself

alternative you can run them as sidhe kithain

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>>94686227
Have you tried A Song of Ice And Fire RPG?
I own the core book and some supplemental material but I found the system to be needlessly complicated in some aspects, and overly simple in others.
I got it around the same time I got the Dragon Age RPG which I at least got to run a test story and dropped it because it felt like a D&D Light with some Dragon Age Origins mechanics (like Second Wind).

>>94686263
Daenerys has only had one prophetic dream in the books, the night before her wedding to Droho, and some sort of prophetic experience when she was at the House of the Undying, when she was wide awake.

The rest of her prophecies were all made by other people.

Any anon has experience playing Geist? I read the book and it looks so fun. Its not as bleak as Wraith: the Oblivion and has more versatility in the kind of scenarios you can find yourself in. Any cool Geist chronicles?
>>94686511
No, most of my experience so far has been with WoD. Never been a fan of D&D. How does it compare with WoD?

>>94686351
But is it a blue 2e book? Didn´t keep track since contagion.

>>94686594
Yeah, it's a 2e book. It's a supplement for Chronicles of Darkness (the game) not Hunter the Vigil.

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>>94686563
I've read the core book some good eight years ago or so and never got to play it, so bear in mind that what I remember from memory might not be super specific, but I'll try to explain as best I can.

I remember the game book had a relatively long chapter on heraldry and how to make up your house.
You had rules for making them up and tables to define what the history of your house was, were it was located, how strong your house was etc.
Your house is very important because the game is house-centric.
That is, the people in your group are all from the same House.
They don't necessarily need to be part of the "royal" family of the House, they can be servants, retainers, knights and whatnot that are part of the House in the same sense that Duncan Tuttle is part of the Forrester's House in the Telltale game.
Managing your House is also a big part of the game, there's like a whole minigame about developing your land and managing its resources etc.
The passage of time is also an important aspect of the game as it has a sub-system for court intrigue where you start a plot and then as the time passes and the die rolls you get some results on those plots.
The combat system was interesting, I remember that it was essentially a system around whomever scores the first real blow wins, and that there are several rules to what happens once you "lose". You can end up maimed, dead, or sent to the Wall.
Getting sent to the Wall is almost the same as having your character die, you can't play with them anymore unless you later run a story about the Night's watch, which is part of a separate book that I do not own so I have no idea how that goes.
The other thing that I remember from the book is that your character has a Destiny and it can use Destiny Points for some stuff. You can use it to avoid Death and some other stuff that I frankly don't remember.

I thought it was interesting but never managed to get a group to play it when AGOT was hot stuff.

>>94686546
They don't have all the powers all the time, and the prophetic dreams in particular are rare.

>>94686594
It's an augmentation to the base game system with extra stuff for violence and related activities, as well as several new minor templates unrelated to any of the splats.

What are the best contracts to create a combat oriented Wizened changeling using first edition rules? It seems unless you are an ogre or elemental, changelings suck at hand to hand.

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>>94686636
The ASOIAF official RPG core book doesn't have any rules for any type of Precog that isn't a greenseer.
I've also put in the box about Valyrian heritage so you know how it works in the game.

>>94686707
Changelings are average on everything. They aren't as good as vampires on mind games, they can't defeat a woof in melee and can't warp reality like a mage. But they are average at all 3. Still if you want a combat specialist, you should drop your wizened concept and make it elemental instead

>>94686726
I'm not talking about the game, never played it. The books definitely have prophetic Targaryens. One of them forseeing the Doom was the reason they fled Valyria in the first place.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragon_dreams

>>94687032
Nopster mcdopester.
There are a couple of tales about Targaryens maybe having had one or two prophetic dreams in their entire lives.
And if those were true or only pro-Targaryen propaganda, we don't know.
Those are stories told by the Targaryens, after all.
Even Danny only had One Prophetic Dream, as established here >>94686546
That's very different from having systemic dreams that tell the future, like Greenseers for example.

How are Mokole not popular
>turn into a Deathclaw from Fallout
>turn into a T-Rex
>Turn into a Dragon
>Triceratops
>anything vaugly reptilian
>including Birds

How

>>94687590
I don't like their "Wewuz dinosaur people n shiet" lore.

That's my main issue with them. Otherwise I like the Were-lizards, have used them as antags a few times. Versatile, fun, very good themes with arrogant lizard people. I don't treat WtA lore as hard canon in my games so I made he we-wuzzing an in-setting claim that zero records of exist until the 1800s, when paleontology started to get big.

>>94686288
That might be the case, but it makes the world feel a lot less dangerous.

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>>94687590
Serious choice paralysis in players with how their Archid/Crinos form gives them so many options and each of those options have gameplay mechanics tied to them AND every Mokole has a unique Archid form unique to them. Mokole are unironically not balanced

>>94686106
>Meanwhile WoD team stopped greenlighting any OPP projects for CofD (or WoD20 for that matter)
We're never getting the M20 Crafts book they promised, are we?

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bloodline bros...

>>94687734
I dislike it too, which is why I ignore it.
Make your chronicle's Technocracy as militant and bloodthirsty as 1e's. Fuck M20's lazy lore.

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What sorcery path does penis theft fall under?

>>94687590
They're basically too customizable to be user-friendly and they're punished for using the spirit world. Additionally, they share a problem a lot of the Fera have, in that they're most likely solo predators and this is a group game. They're great NPCs but I'd never let a player be one.

>>94688181
I would probably let someone play it if they know what they're doing, but it'd have to be some kind of "major threat forces the solo predator to join forces with others" type scenario. Definitely not something for a casual story or something with beginners involved.
Probably good for crossovers too. You could have a Mokole dino-dragon, Tzimisce with Zulo form, a mage with Life 4-5 specialized in vulgar shapeshifting (chimeras, manticores, dragons, etc.), a Fallen with a customized Apocalyptic form, and I'm sure there's some Changeling cantrip out there that lets them become some kind of monster. It'd be a nightmare to run but man it'd look cool, wouldn't it?

>>94688209
>and I'm sure there's some Changeling cantrip out there that lets them become some kind of monster.
5 dots in metamorphosis lets you transform into mythical monsters (dragon is the given example) for a number of turns equal to your glamour.

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>>94688216
My bad. I misremembered and it's apparently one minute per point of permanent Glamour, so it's perfectly reasonable for combat.

>>94688020
yeah bloodline are tiny some other examples

the guide to high clan also says that there are a total of 12 true brujah in the world during the dark ages
there is a quote going around online that all samedi fit into one train wagon, but i don't know the source of that
the ahrimanes in the sabbat where just a single pack
there where 5 nephilim and they weren't even sure if they would breed true/ they weren't sure if their childer would be other nephilim or toreador
all kiasyd can meet in a single city every 50 years without breaking the masquarade
the Impundulu could only feed of a single family of witches
Constantinople was at one point the home to all Greek Gangrel and they weren't even a major faction in the city

not that this is unique to vampires: one of the bastet tribes is mentioned as numbering around 40 cats and there are at least two crafts (harbringers/navalon and the independent Ngoma) i am aware of that don't have 20 members

>>94688403
Man, Cantrips are super underpowered in comparison to other superpowers aren't they?

>>94688403
>>94688623
never played ctd, but isn't this missing the bonus stats other splat's transformations usually have?

>>94688637
the way it's written implies that you should get the new creature's stats, whatever they are, even if you didn't roll well enough to get all the special powers.

>>94688694
no it's not. This is about transforming "by mixing together traits and natures from different creatures" not becoming a pre existing one and fantastic strenght and fantastic toughness are both traits mentioned in the text so you would need to roll for these just like every other trait you want

>>94688717
so 1 success means you just look like a dragon, but have the stats of your regular loser changeling self?

>>94682826
Inferno wasn't a lower depth in 1e though, that's a retcon. It's an option, but the more commonly accepted position is that it's part of pan or maybe the inbetween place like the hedge/underworld. Inferno is explicitly a lower depth in 2e, which reduces the number of types of demons, because Infernals and akathartoi are now explicitly the same category instead of only maybe the same category depending on your ST.
>The Inferno is also a Lower Depth because that's not really a thing cosmologically do much as a category of thing mages put stuff in.
Again, this is not only 2e revisionism but wrong in the context of cofd itself. It's an option to make it this way in 1e, but it's not hard canon. You don't even know what you don't know. In cofd lower depths are an actual in the metaphysics of the universe.
>Much like the Thing That Should Not Be isn't actually a thing.
It is though, because they're explicitly part of the tellurian.
>The list of things that could be a Thing That Should Not Be includes a host of things explicit in 2e.
I don't think that they're called demons anymore, though.
>I can't recall any Strix based retconning there either.
Mekhet's shadow demons, edimmu, and probably some of the things in faction books were retconned to be strix. BB's demons are explicitly just infernals in later 1e books iirc, so that's already folded into another category even in 1e.

>>94684927
There isn't one but I'll make it for nwod/cofd. I can't do the specifics of owod e.g. intersplat stuff like how wraith and mummy stack up.
Raws from before I put it into an image: https://rentry.org/pnyphxdx

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>>94687590
Mokolé aren't popular as PCs.
If you've never ran a Sewer Mokolé as an upgrade to the Sewer Nosferatu Wight type of story, you're missing out.

Now, that's not to say the Mokolé aren't another one of those Unrealised Potentials of the World of Darkness.

With the right push it could find its demographic.

After all, there's more porn of Reptile than of Jeanette.
Just saying.

>>94688963 (me)
Note that a lot of ambiguity isn't ambiguity, it's explicit and hard and fast but also completely up to the ST. List is based on RAW, not RAI, though most of the authors that knew what they were doing seemed to work under the same logic.

There is no proper system of differentiation beyond 400 in general, ER/IM rules only go to 400, even in the appendix. It's ambiguous if, say, a rank 7 anunnaki like a replacement timeline is something that even gets noticed between times the Exarchs patch the tellurian, or if a free and manifest god that was listed at rank 7 that merged with an ascending seeker is actually qualitatively superior to that anunnaki.

The ST themself is somewhere between 420-500: the Aether!GodMachine (and/or the principle) is usually a standin for the ST themself, whereas the Exarchs are kind of a standin for the rules themselves, which the ST trumps if they want to. The ST doesn't trump abyssal manifestations because if I break into your house while you're playing nwod and stab you to death and leave your corpse slumped over the table, that's ultimately just another valid type of Intruder.

>>94689022 (me)
Mages/changelings were explicitly nerfed in CofD (a lot, like a lot a lot), PtC were mostly nerfed by losing access to books so if you're in a combined chronicle they should go back to nwod power. WtF templates are in 2e Night Horrors. Merits were explicitly nerfed nwod->cofd but there's no 1:1 for the best parts of armory/SS/mirrors anyway. Ghouls are technically better because subepic vampires in VtR2e are stronger but epic vampires are only filled out in VtR1e and ghouls can't get that stuff.

120 is about as good as you get with dice tricks, 130+ is the ability to cause city scale disasters. 200+ is the ability to nosell arbitrary amount of damage, like walking through nukes without a care in the world. Scumming timetravel is around 280-300. RAW 300+ can oneround every ante/yozi/etc. ever printed because they don't roll dice and just succeed at whatever they want ('too powerful to stat') but RAI a max-xp VtR2e character or an Antedeluvian from owod should probably at least be able to last 10 rounds against a rank 6 spirit. Note that those things are comparable because multiple-5-dot devotions from VtR are explicitly as good or better than 9-10dot disciplines in owod.

Argue with me or ask questions before I spend too long fucking around with the bars in this .xcf

>>94689004
You're dealing with forces you barely understand. The power of the scalie community can easily overpower and destroy you!

Vascu was the seer controlled hunter conspiracy, right?

>>94689054
Oh I watch SonicHaXD, I know what they're about.

>>94688775
by raw yeah. i checked c20 corebook which features this cantrip, but it has no stats for dragons it does mention however that bygone dragons and chimerical dragons are not the same and changelings tend to be in serious trouble when meeting the former even in the dreaming

so you can't even take stuff from the bygone bestiary/ real dragons

>>94684902
No.

>>94689071
Seems like they're just psychics that work as FBI hunting slashers specifically and eat shit from Valkyrie, I don't see anything about the Seers. I don't think Seers would support a way to make sleepers psychic (unless they turn into drones), anyway.
>stereotypes sidebar is about ashwood abbey gangraping a slasher
based

>>94689031
No one wants to argue with you because it means teaching you the stuff the argument is about. It's exhausting for everyone in the thread.

>>94689299
I know you don't know how to read but the question was open for anyone who can

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>>94688717
interestingly enough in second edition it worked exactly the other way around there changelings had the ability to shapeshift but they only got the stats and physical changes and none of the abilities abilities

>A character altered by Elder-Form only gains any natural abilities that form may have, not supernatural powers. For example, a changeling who transformed himself to appear as a vampire would have pale skin and maybe even fangs, but he would gain none of the special vampiric powers (such as regeneration), nor would he be susceptible to a vampire’s weaknesses (such as sunlight). The same would be true if a changeling transformed himself into a dragon; he would have scales and claws, but he could not breathe fire.

and could go up to
>5 successes — One week
in c20 however they turned elder form into something that is limited into turning you or other people into a pseudo elementals...

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>>94688020
> 40k vampires
>in a population of at minimum 5,000,000 (5 billion)
Are they fucking stupid?
Do world of darkness writers not understand statistics?

>>94689414
yes

>>94689414
never did. Previous editions (second) mentioned that the 1 in 100k is also just a lincense to murder and to population control kindred of clans (and the clanless of course) you as a prince don't like and that it's nowhere true even in the minds of the most deluded elder

later books however as seen in the picture take it seriously

>>94689414
To be fair that's more than the canon number of woofs. Apparently there's only like 900 woofs, like 200 packs, in all of Russia. ALL of Russia.
Although, at least there's a reason for that. Vampires can just make new vampires whenever they want, though.

>>94689441
God that's dumb. Like I get vampires have an incentive to population control but at the same time they literally have an exponential growth factor given they can't die naturally.
>>94689442
Yeah woofs are at least presented to be like as dying cultures like I wouldn't be surprised if only the glass walkers and bone gnawers were on the uptick (black spiral dancers are a given). Vampires are literally like in another golden age thanks to the urbanization of the world lol. This is like where they're at their best. Like of the factions I'd only say Pentex/the Wyrm, the Vampires and the Technocracy are like the ones winning thanks to the circumstances of the modern day.

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>>94688523
Bubasti really are one of the most cucked splats in owod
>only 52 of them on the entire planet
>can't leave Egypt or else their entire species goes extnct
>''Bubasti are always hungry. Though no amount of food or drink will ease their craving, and they will always eat what's put before them.''
>most of their kinfolk are ghouled by setites so they have to grovel before them to breed
>can only learn sorcery through freebies or xp which means that a ''legendary'' bubasti spell caster is weaker than an apprentice sleeper sorcerer
their existence is suffering

>>94688020
Unpopular opinion (maybe?), but while I do think the canon numbers are too stringent with it, I like the idea that supernatural creatures are still pretty rare. Things can already get very "the humans don't matter" real quick depending on the splat, we don't need 1 in 10 people being a supernatural of some kind (including ghouls, kinfolk, etc).

The one in 100k rule is definitely silly when something like the Sabbat exists, but I understand the idea that the supernatural should be rarer than one might think.

>>94689625
don't worry i don't think that's a hot take, from what i seen that's pretty much the common opinion

usually also with a mention that you can and should just ignore any canon numbers and feature as many characters as you story needs

>>94689617
>>only 52 of them on the entire planet
for some reason i had 47 in mind, but i checked the tribe book and you are right

sorry to the 12 bubasti i forgot you are just not as memorable or cool as the other 40
>>can only learn sorcery through freebies or xp which means that a ''legendary'' bubasti spell caster is weaker than an apprentice sleeper sorcerer
or you need to take a expensive merit if you go with wa20, but don't really paint them as the powerful sorcerers the flavors wants us to believe they are

>most of their kinfolk are ghouled by setites so they have to grovel before them to breed
been wondering about that! don't these guys have any human kinfolk? i mean they might not after all they tried to fight crossover Set, but is it ever mentioned?

Feel like a human entering this thread with zero knowledge of the series. Maybe its time I start reading.

>>94689625
The 1 in a Million is a Mage or 1 in 100k/10K is a Vampire is not supposed to be a statistic, it's supposed to be a figure of speech, like whenever ancient eastern texts use the number 10,000 its supposed to mean Everything and not just 10,000 of anything.

Man they really should have made an elder gifts book for W20, shit's fucked.
I'm the guy who got Bone Gnawers earlier despite my begging, so I decided to look at the gift options. Rank 1 has all sorts of amazing gifts like Trash is Treasure (imo the best gift the BGs have), Kitchen Chemistry, Cardboard Mansion, Resist Toxin and Cooking, but the Rank 5 gifts? I might use Gluttony or Piping? At least earlier on you've got neat ones like Lucky Bastard, Shadow of the Rat, Gift of the Termite, Call the Rust, Guise of the House, Find the Prize, On Patrol, the rock throwing ones, Like, a lot of the gifts are just plain better at lower ranks.

>>94690022
Eastern texts don't actually use 1000/10000, it's just that the word got used to mean 1000/10000 in later/other uses. A more direct translation is "multitude".

An equivalent in western literature would be "legion", which doesn't normally refer to 3-6k of something.

>>94690048
Glutonny is a Must if you're into Vore.
Piping is very Conditional, it's like that Presence power but way, way worse because it doesn't compel the target to come.

>>94690074
ngl I am literally going by what's on the Akashic Brotherhood book here.

CoD tried to avoid hard numbers. Even if DaveB said he felt Mages’ complex society and conspiracies required them to be the most numerous.

But BtP said
>New Orleans is a big city. The metro area has a population of roughly 1.2 million, and that’s not including visitors. If .5% of that population is in some way touched by the supernatural, that’s still 6000 people (or “people,” anyway). That’s more than enough for several otherworldly populations to be represented.

Touched could mean several things, but it probably doesn’t include people who have experienced it because everyone in NWoD/CoD is assumed to have at least one unnerving brush with the supernatural.
It’s more likely split between all the mortals with supernatural merits, then the lesser splats then the major ones.
So more like 6000/4 which 1500 to unevenly split between ten or so gamelines.

>>94690097
10 myriads / 15 myriads I'm thinking of is specifically
>"My dear Lord and husband, if thou sayest so, I will strangle to death the people of the country which thou dost govern, a thousand in one day."
>Then Izanagi no Mikoto replied, saying, "My beloved younger sister, if thou sayest so, I will in one day cause to be born fifteen hundred."
etc. from the shoki.
More directly from the shoki, it uses "80 myriad" in the english translation (same word) to refer to the 80 000 / 800 000 / 8 million gods. That 80myriad is used more in the sense of an endless amount, but the point of the idea is that japan is fucking packed to the gills with gods, absolutely filthy with them like you wouldn't believe.

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>>94689625
Honestly, it is a lot easier to work backwards from what you need and arange the demographics later.

>>94688020
Do minor assamite castes count as separate bloodlines?
Also, the number of gargoyles may be underestimated because the Tremere won't let the freaks leave the basement.

>>94687590
They are just too niche to be popular.

>>94688166
Koldunism, obviously.

>>94690562
probably not, there is also statements that half the sabbat gangrel are city gangrel so unless they are 1500 of the 2000 bloodline vampire i doubt varriations like that are meant to count

Hedgefag?

>>94690649
Too busy sucking dick.

>>94690074
Isn't it a thing on the Tao Te Ching?
Not really a text I have read, I'm just going from a Quick Reading on the subject.
I think it comes up in Zen Buddhism too. Which are also things I remember from the Akashic Book.

>>94688523
A few more I can think of
>supposedly only 7 Salubri exist at one time
>Sabbat Salubri are 3 times as common .... so 21 people
>Baali are probably a few dozen at most as they're killed on sight by every Sect
>Gargoyles barely exist as most were decimated by the Tremere after the revolt and few if any are created in the modern nights

For Fera it depends. Only the Ratkin and Ananasi are explicitly mentioned as being at least as numerous as the Garou, because they either breed fast or are just very good at hiding respectively. The other extant groups are very rare or straight up near extinction. All Bastet tribes put together number around a mid sized Garou tribe. Mockery breeds are probably in the single digits each if even that high.

Mage craft numbers are very inconsistent. A lot of them cheat by beefing up their numbers pretty heavily with, so it's difficult to judge how many Mages they actually have.
Bataa are mentioned to be in the hundreds, for example,e and they're one of the larger crafts. The sisters of Hippolyta are just 3 cabals (2 of which are in North America). During the Renaissance after Helel betrayed everyone, the Solificati were just 6 guys in a Belgian University under Hermetic protection, while in current year they're around 100 shared between the Hermetic House and the Craft. Before they got excised from the lore, the Wu Keng were 200-ish, every single one a mage because of their forced demonic awakening initiation, so they were probably one of the biggest if not the biggest Craft. Wu Lung are around 100 people and heavily weighted towards Adepts and Masters, so if you're a Wu Lung apprentice you're actually in the minority! I think in Revised it's mentioned that they're forced to recruit from people with partial Chinese ancestry and even women, because times are rough. Also, my favorite one is the Hermetic meme House Xaos which is exactly made up of two people.

>>94689625
I get it but at the same time, vampires are social parasites who thrive in cities. The modern era is like the most prime time for a vampire to be (un)alive. Compared to the other splats like vampires are on the rise, their numbers aren't dwindling. Their issue is actually the blood of Caine is getting too spread out and slight that the high generation thin bloods keep cropping up among the youth along with shit like the catilff. They're meant to be the most numerous of the splats by far.

>>94690562
They probably count as members of the main clan. So antitribu and dominate Malkavians would just be counted under Malkavian.

>Debating Monster Class Rarity like they're drops from loot boxes
That's how you get a WoD Gasha Game.
Which I guess would be a welcome change over another Visual Novel.

>>94689960
>don't these guys have any human kinfolk?
It's the same issue as the surviving Grondr and the last Apis. If they stop breeding with their animal kin for too long or they run out of one kin type, they stop being able to produce shape-changers entirely. The only shape-changers that don't have this issues are ones that just don't produce kin of that type, like mockery breeds or Rokea(no shark-kin, Only More Rokea).

>>94690764
imagine the summer events

>>94690772
Set himself stirs. Collect enough bitches to sacrifice to quiet this slumbering god.

Anyone ever real some of the deeper WoD lore and find something funny?
Reading up on lilith lore, she apparently spread a story that she slept with God after adam divorced her ass.

>>94688523
>>94690700
Doesn't that mean DtF demons would be the most numerous faction, ever, if they managed to get all their people out of the abyss?

>>94688963
What about Judges of Duat? Tome of the Pentacle says mummy time fuckery results in "silver uchronia", which means only archmages can see the original timeline, while God-Machine's is only bronze. So that would imply the Judges are stronger.

>>94690764
>mfw I pulled ANOTHER Syndicate drone

>>94690791
That's relatively easy to do.
Dude is the Alpha and the Omega.
When you masturbate, you're doing it with God's Hand too.
On God's penis.
To make Him cum.
You goddamn pervs.

>>94690772
Imagine how much a Foil Sam Haight would be worth.

>>94686080
This is 100% a Deviant. Enhanced Speed and Brachiation are the big ones but you'd also want stuff like Superhuman [Attribute], Carapace, and Lash/Inhuman Digestion. However even more than those Mimicry, which suppresses Variations and Scars, is the real linchpin. Monstrous Transformation is the "standard" transformation Variation but for things with massive disparities you actually want Mimicry which doesn't power you up, but powers you down. Monstrous Transformation is giving you new powers so has some limits on how much it can give. Meaning that your two forms can only differ as much as Monstrous Transformation allows. Mimicry is suppressing what you already have and therefore can apply to everything. Meaning it has no real upper limit and your two forms can be as different as you have things to suppress.

>>94690791
>>94690829
>Lilith is once again shown to be the biggest girl-failure in WoD
Can the verbena lose any harder?

>>94690822
I'm not sure that guy has read the books enough to answer that.

>>94690815
yes the days of fire mentions that a total of "Two million and two thousand and one hundred and ninety and nine." demons got thrown into the abyss
however demons are hardcapped by human faith if too many demons are on earth with a too low faith level they start to fall asleep starting with the strongest which is how lucifer put the earthbound to sleep originally

>>94690849
Not surprising that the Women that actually weren't failures are all a subsplat of a man's rib.

>>94690815
That's a big if, and is going to depend on how many angels there once were to begin with and how many of them rebelled (I think 'a third of the total' was thrown around in one book).
But theoretically, yes, that could be the case.

>>94690764
>>94690836
Imagine hoping for something good and then pulling a 3-star pregnant Sacha Vykos.

>>94690764
>Be Virtual Adept
>Use gacha games as a focus for summoning monsters and allies to fight for me
>Get my accounts banned as a form of paradox backlash when I try to cheat in currency with magic
>Entropy magic is slightly more coincidental, but if people saw my account they would assume I botted it or something

>>94690815
It probably goes Wraith given Wraith is filled with a lot of dead people and more keeps on coming.
Then Vampire, Demon, Hunter, Werewolf and Mage along with changeling with Mummy in dead last lmao.
>>94690764
Hollow One GF? Nosferatu BF? Bastet kitty wife? Moloke bride? Toreador one night stand?
WoD would kill it on that front of gacha desu

>>94690883
>Hollow One GF? Nosferatu BF? Bastet kitty wife? Moloke bride? Toreador one night stand?
That romance themed vampire jam was a missed opportunity.

>>94690876
>>94690883
I'm telling you.
Niche Genre my fucking ass.
This thing has mass appeal and you need to be blind not to see it.

>>94690880
Gacha games are all run by the Syndicate.

>>94690822
I don't have tome of the pentacle, is it actually out and canon or still just in production?
>What about Judges of Duat?
Like most of the splat guarantors, they're probably in the realm of bound gods (rank 7-8, 340-360 on this list). Rank 8 specifically if they made mummies. They're strongly implied to be metaphysically bound to what they do and not free to fuck around so they aren't free gods, anyway.
>while God-Machine's is only bronze. So that would imply the Judges are stronger.
The only reason to think that cofdGM is even supernal is that it made DtD, but there's no particular reason to think it did that out of having free access to forces/prime/etc. rather than it just being a function built into it by it's maker. The lower bound for it's power is really fucking low.

>>94690876
>he doesn't know how to get the secret 5 star dracon out of that
anon we have guides in the op for a reason

>>94690923
A very common mistake to make.
The Syndicate only operates the payment provider.
A lot less risk and all of the control over the shekels.
Let the NWO figure out how the fuck to draw the attention of the masses, the Syndies are focused on more crucial endeavours.

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Oh hey that's funny.

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I miss this era of oWoD so much god damn. Thanks to the anon who brought up the Baali thing, had me rereading this old ass storyteller's guide.

>>94690983
Is that motherfuckin Dark City?

>>94690983
I don't know where either of those are from.

>>94691000
>>94691009
Yep. I was looking through the nocturnal enemy book for hunter and saw this artwork as I was scrolling thru. Pretty cool reference. Bottom is from the movie dark city.

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>>94690999
Nice trips.

Also

GIANT APE GANG RISE UP

>>94691029
Unironically, I'm considering part of my wave of Sabbat fuckery also having some Pentex backing with an evil Yeren CEO who dreams of being on the board of directors so I blame you guys for making me want a funny ape man.

>>94691042
Just make sure you know what you're doing and that it's something your group would actually enjoy. If you're confident about those two things, go for it man.

Anyone else remember the old lore about the soft alliance between the Sabbat, Pentex/BSDs, and Nephandi? I don't even really like cross-splat that much, I just find the concept amusing as hell.

>>94690940
>The only reason to think that cofdGM is even supernal
There is no reason except for "I've not read the book"

>>94691070
It makes sense the most evil factions get along and occasionally help each other out. The Nephandi better be Malfeans and not infernalists tho. The Sabbat fucking hate infernalists. Demons are a big no no. They consider it the same evil as serving the Antediluvians.

Trying to compile a collection of nWoD/CofD fan splats. Currently, I have:
Dragon the Embers/Rekindled
Gargoyles the Awakening
Genius the Transgression
Leviathan the Tempest (and LtT 2.5e)
Pathogen the Infected
Princess the Hopeful, both Dreams and Crystal
Shapeshifter the Ignited
Siren the Drowning
Succubus the Rapture

Any other notable ones I'm missing? Preferably ones that are more than just a page or two of a half-baked idea. Looking for ones that have a bit of effort put into them.

>>94691070
I second this.
A lot of players don't want to play Your Take On The World Of Darkness, especially the ones that bothered to read a lot. They just feel cheated.
I for one love it, blowing out the ass of a evil scary monster made by the ST is sweeter than shoving dynamite up the ass of their self insert NPC surrogate.

>>94691096
>The Sabbat fucking hate infernalists.
>all the Dark Thaumaturgy shit in the Sabbat books
Is this something that they retconned later on?

>>94691108
Yes

>>94691081
Cope, seethe, dilate, etc.
And read the book

>>94691108
the sabbat is presented as hating infernalists and being infested to the brim with infernalists since 1993

which is why one of the sabbat chronicle idea white wolf tried to push in several books was sabbat inqusition infernalist hunter

Thoughts on Extremist Imbued being possessed by Angels/Messengers just before snuffing themselves out?
I want to have one (or a few since Imbued work in groups most of the time) as an antagonist, but since the books are weird on how powerful Imbued can get, I think the Messenger possession could be something to explore.

>>94691117
The GM is a physical machine, dipshit

>>94691132
>the sabbat is presented as hating infernalists and being infested to the brim with infernalists since 1993


>hate infernalists
>create a culture that only infernalists would be attracted towards

>>94691164
Yes, and therefore it is not supernal.
You unironically have a <70IQ.

>>94691178
i never said they are smart

>>94690883
Going of the willpower requirements to become a wraith + the willpower distribution outlined in werewolf, there should be something like 25 Billion wraiths split among the dark kingdoms, labyrinth, and soul-forged items.
Even considering spectres and such, there should still be more active wraiths than people. That's not even considering people who don't meet the willpower requirements can still become animalistic pseudo-wraiths in the dark umbra.

>>94691178
but you see it's about the personal freedom! that's why they need to have a inqusition to hunt down heretics

>>94690883
>Bastet kitty wife?
Bastet belong to the streets and you know it.

>>94691193
Yeah, so why are you being a sperg about it?

>>94691227
I CAN FIX HER

>>94691070
>>94691103
I'm gonna be real, my players are noobs so I thankfully have no preconceptions of what WoD should be. I more want than anything to have like this be a sorta sampler platter of WoD if that makes sense? Mostly showing the fun parts of the setting and rocking it. If they're interested by Vampire I'd try to run Mage next since like Mage is where the REAL wacky shit is. Mostly the focus is on Vampire drama and the Sabbat invasion with these dipshits stuck in the middle but occasionally having some other shit pop up especially some weird inexplicable shit that nobody can explain is good. There's a sorta magic when you think you know everything and then something utterly out of your depths. happens.
>>94691108
>>94691178
Adding onto what Anon said but the Sabbat are a kinda weird faction in general.
>radical Vampire supremacist milita
>quasi religous cult
>rely alot on pack bonds via the vaulderie thus decentralizing their organizational structure into cells with the ductus, bishops, archbishops and regents passing things down but each is able to function individually
The Sabbat can have lots of infernalists in some packs and stringent cainite militants in others who devoutly uphold the gospel of the Dark Father for others. And another pack entirely can just have an dgaf attitude and run rampant having chaotic murderous fun. Not all vampires are the same in sects.

>>94691099
did giant ever got a any development?
Also is the Leviathan version you have more playable than the wiki version?

>>94691231
You genuinely have terminal retardation. Seek medical detention for your own good.

>>94691227
Keep you cat inside, pls.

>>94691146
>Thoughts on Extremist Imbued being possessed by Angels/Messengers just before snuffing themselves out?
I presume that was the default for most of them. In most cases, it would be something along the lines of... Billy Joe was chosen for a few reasons: his hatred, his isolation, but most importantly, the fact he was driving a fuel truck near a werewolf den.

>>94691295
Wildcats are not Pets!

>>94691255
I think you're gonna have a Grand Time, then.
Just make sure your players know there's some moonshine in the alcohol cabinet, and I think you're good to go.

>>94690764
honestly i seen so fucked up shit in gatcha games, slavery, genocide, human experiments on children, torture, people being turned into wax figures for fun and more so even 90s wod wouldn't be all that out of place in terms of edge and if you got with the kote/ctd art style even that wouldn't look too out of place

let's just keep the vampire sphere author away from it

>>94691306
Yeah I've watched Tiger King too.
Fucking hell, that was some Quality Television.

>>94691330
What the fuck have you been playing, Anon?
I ain't seen any of that shit on Genshin.

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>>94691164
lol

>>94691267
Don't know about giant.
The leviathan version I have is the one I found on the 2.5e discord. Not sure if that is the same as a wiki version.

>>94691306
Bastet are domestic animals.

>>94691373
That's about the Principle, A God-Machine. Not THE God-Machine.
>What is the God-Machine?
>It’s a literal machine, surrounding, infiltrating, and encompassing the world. Some demons suspect that the whole World of Darkness might be the God-Machine, others believe it’s a function of the universe that serves itself rather than its original purpose. Still others believe it invaded a pre-existing world like a parasite. It isn’t a metaphor, or a spirit, but a physical machine of metal, oil, and glass.

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>>94691371
you need to go for smaller titles if you want fucked up stuff. like most of that list is from a small chinese titel called morimens i checked out recently because it had it's anniversary last month and it has slay the spire gameplay

first act is about stopping totally not nephandi kidnapping children from a orphanage in victorian london, the second act features descriptions of people being turned into wax figures while still alive and it escalates from from there

>>94691384
>Don't know about giant.
I heard about them from the WoD/CofD wiki entry in 1d6 chan. From the looks of it they were pretty unfocused.

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>>94691417
That's the God Machine, sorry you never read the books dude.
Reminder that in 2011 the version of the God Machine that is EXPLICITLY an alienated (bound god) was published - also by white wolf.

>>94691099
>Any other notable ones I'm missing?
Irrc the Highlander fan game was pretty good, it was about 100 pages and easy to slot in with other games.

>>94691206
How the fuck does stygia even function if there are enough wraith to conquer 2 planets?

>>94691455
>How the fuck does stygia even function if there are enough wraith to conquer 2 planets?
Poorly.

>>94691427
How successful is that thing, if you don't mind Mr asking? Especially on its domestic market.

>>94691455
Lots and lots of white jade

>>94691447
Highlander is Class.
I recommend using them as NPCs on Non-VtM stories or to get one of your players to try it if you're running VtM.
Non-Vampire Immortals in a Vampire story is a lot of fun. I ran one story like that and gave the Highlander to the Veteran Player and it worked like a charm.

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>>94691455
Necropolis in general are giant in comparision to the skin land version of the same city because phisical mirror images of buildings stack upon each other in ways that would be impossible in the real world and the empire of stygia controls basically all western ones of those in addition to the city stygia which is in a lower dimension of the shadowlands which is also a factor: the shadowlands are also just bigger than earth

but while wraith are said to outnumber the living it should be kept in mind that wraiths also do have a high mortality rate too, if you can call it that so being a hundreds of year old wraith is quite exceptional

if you had to make a TV-show based on WoD how would you do it? would it be live-action or animated? 3D animation or 2D? which splat would the protagonists be?

>>94691530
i would probably rip off edgerunners, but with vtm, young lick joining a coterie that is being pulled on the string by a group of elders and in the end most of them die

or if i really get to do what i want without any outside interferance i would rip of henry dresden and john constantine and make a noir anime about a mage private detective in a multi splat world

>>94691530
Live action; masquerade.
This time with an actual budget.

>>94691530
Just give me an animated anthology and I will be happy.

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>>94691530
easy answer

>>94691530
I'd go Anime, ride on the tail of Edgerunners.

>>94691255
That's the secret appeal of the Sabbat, I think. The Sabbat is vampires trying to jump into the modern world, the world of the Renaissance, Revolutions, the Enlightenment, and Humanism. They want human rights. The problem is that the Beast isn't human. "Free" vampires don't stop at self-organizing and self-determination. The Sabbat has a lot of appeal to the player that wants their vampires to do more than cry about everything they've lost. A good player will take that selfish desire into account, and fit that into the reality of what the Sabbat was always destined to become.

>>94691530
2d animated following various imbued in locations around the world. Some episodes would start off with an encounter immediately, others would have a hunter-net email narrated intro. A few of the eps would point to a bigger picture that is ultimately never fully addressed. Artstyle would be idk something like the spawn animated series?

>>94691530
Yeah, 2D animation or cartoon, in a more comic style but with breaks in style for intense scenes like frenzies, quiets, and so on. Really lean into the superhero angle, except that it's not a story about heroes, just people who think they are.

>>94691406
Domestic cats are the secondmost-successful invasive animal in the modern world. Locking the ability to shift into a domestic cat behind a dead tribe is bullshit and limiting the potential of a Bastet game.

>>94691648
Imagine how tight that pussy is, as well.

>Domestic cats are the secondmost-successful invasive animal in the modern world.
Fera of actually successful and non-retarded animals, like cats and rats, seems like a much more compelling and open ended place to start a "WtA" chronicle anyway. I can see the appeal of why people try to play CBs now.

>>94691668
There should be a constant three-way war inside cities between vampires, Ananansi, and Bastet. Bone Gnawers would be a minor vanguard faction for Garou that almost entirely live outside cities.

>>94691754
Bone gnawers just need to beg cockroach for a gift that lets them actually breed with dogs and they'll be set.

>>94691530
An dark animated mystery series about a group of mage apprentices (hermetic, etherite, dreamspeaker and hollow one) getting into scooby doo tier shenanigans by encountering all sorts of creatures from owod's rogues gallery.

>>94691668
Isn't there a comic book about that? Cat people and Mouse people.
I think it's called MAUS.
I, uh, think a game like that might invite a lot of Free Publicity, let's put it that way.

>>94691099
How about minor splats? Realm of Gods and Dreams (STV hsien book) has Harvesters who eat magical creatures to extend their lifespans and gain the powers of what they consume. It's maybe 5-6 pages in the antagonist chapter but they're pretty distinct, like Rumiko Takahashi's Mermaid Saga in WoD.

>>94691821
Isn't maus the fucking holocaust memoir but the author used mice, cats and other animals to tell the story.

>>94691754
Werewolf the Apocalypse is a metaphor for a coming of age story. It's not a furry sandbox.
I thought I had explained this before in this very same thread earlier, but it seems people didn't catch the implication there.

>>94691845
Yes, Anon.
That was the joke.
It wasn't very good, though, so I understand.

I've been reading a bit about Old Clan Tzimisce a bit and one question I've got about Koldunic sorcery that I couldn't find an answer to (may have just skimmed over it) is: Can Koldunic sorcerers use their sorcery outside of the Old Country, and followup, can they learn it if they're sired outside of the Old Country?

>>94691857
sorry I'm rarted

>>94691865
Yes, tzitrash can learn and use their infernal magic outside of eastern europe.

>>94691850
We get it, but we're riffing on making it different.

>>94691850
Yes but you see, a forced plot about succumbing to the terrible evil force of growing up and stopping being a retarded furry isn't very fun to play as a TTRPG.
This is why CtD is mad niche and CtL is hugely popular in their own series.

PF1e has proven that furry sandboxes are not only desirous, they're so desirous that people will play with worse rules in an existing system just to get at them.

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>>94691472
from what i understand it's made by a very small studio that didn't actually plan or expect for the game to continue after story arc 9 (i am at story line 6 right now after 88 hours, but i also played some events) because on one side the first story line ends there and because of some drama which i have to admit i didn't really read up on because it was before i started the game but... -allegedly- the company behind reverse1999 fucked them over somehow in addition to poaching some of their staff. But the game made so much money in it's anniversay that they got funding to build their team up again and make a season 2

it's also for some reason region to china locked outside of steam, game devs however do talk to the community on the english discord channel so it's not like it's unintendet that people outside of china can play it, but i would still assume most money comes from chinese people playing on their phones, but of course i don't have any hard numbers to say how much money it makes let alone how much money it makes in it's domestic market

>>94691865
yes and yes they can, but your st is allowed to higher the difficulty of koldunism by 1 outside of kupala's domain

>>94691901
Maybe, just maybe, the problem is that you are not a teenager anymore and you're expecting a product that was Teen Coded to the point of having comic books on its intro instead of a tale to have themes that resonate with you, and not the actual game line.
But don't worry, once you hit your 40s and start understanding why Fishing and other Old People Shit is fun, you'll find that some of those themes start resonating again. Not a guarantee but it clicks with a lot of guys.

And don't give me no "it's a product for adults" complaining.
So is South Park, Beavis and Butthead, and Resident Evil, and many other products for "adults," like cheap beer.

>>94691925
>higher the difficulty of koldunism by 1 outside of kupala's domain
Based

>>94691939
Sure thing retard

>>94691913
I see.

>HELLO TENCENT
>WE FOUND A BACKDOOR INTO THE CHINESE MARKET HERE.

Niche Product my fucking ass.

>>94691943
yeah rites of blood page 156

>The school’s metaphysical connections to Kupala and to the lands permeated by that spirit increase the difficulty by +1 on all Koldunic Sorcery rolls made on behalf of kolduns who work their magic outside the territories of Eastern Europe.

>>94691958
i would unironically play it

>>94691956
Yeah, the problem isn't with you.
It's every single piece of media that you don't like that is shit.
We got a real Roger Ebert here, Anons and Femanons.
And not at all a Moviebob.

Correct me if I´m wrong, but doesn´t mta also deal in parallel dimensions? Like these various minor and maor supernatural realms and all that stuff created through paradoxes. I want to make my own Boston, with some paradoxes representing what could have been in another time like a spirit/paradox in the form of an actual nemean leon that sometimes looks like a man.

>>94692060
I think they are detailed in the Void Engineer (revised) convention book.

>>94692082
Nothing for awakening? Or is that one of the I have to "upgrade" to cofd? Also if ascension is mta, what´s awakenings shorthand?

Are vampires immune to radiation?

>>94692132
mtaw

>>94692132
MtAw vs. MtAsc
>Nothing for awakening?
You don't need paradoxes for that? Paradoxes aren't used for anything constructive. A "paradox in the form of an actual nemean lion" is just a fucking Abyssal demon fucking hanging out, murdering people. The way you have described this in no way makes me think of MtA.
You can just make "parallel dimensions" and add extra space to places and shit. It's pretty high level magic though, depending on what you're trying to do.

>>94692156
Owod? Yes, 100%.

>>94692132
seems I feel for the classic MtA and MtA having the same abbreviation blunder

>>94691108
>>94691178
>>94691194
The Sabbat having a dedicated inquisition and also having a massive problem with infernalists and other heretics is one of my favorite parts about them. The Sabbat is a fucking dumpster fire, that's part of the fun.

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>>94692132
>we never got an awakening book about alternate timelines
I think you'll have to houserule that.

>>94692210
The easy way to tell them apart:
If people can actually do magic, it's Awakening. Otherwise, it's Ascension.

>>94692156
It depends on the level of radiation.
Peeling a banana emits radiation but not enough to be harmful to humans.

>>94692132
Demon the Descent talks about a parallel Seattle, not sure if it was the Corebook or Storyteller's guide, and Tome of the Pentacle for Awakening talks about uchronia, which are remnants of changed timelines.

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>>94692156
>>94692179
>Yes 100%
For reference, you can swim in a pool of irradiated water and lower the control rods for a reactor that is currently melting down (and where the ground and walls are full of cracks and wholes and the building is physically falling apart) without ever being asked to make a single check, take a single penalty, or face a single consequence.

In V20 enough radiation to heat you to boiling might cause burns but that would be it. You're probably immune to balefire mutations altogether.

>>94692326
Cool, thanks guys.

>>94692326
>Implying Kindred could've helped in Fukushima but chose not to.

>>94692350
the masquerade is a bitch.

>>94692337
I don't actually have DID, I just replied to myself because I had to find the book where it happened

What's especially nice about it is it means that setites/etc. can live in harmony with the most nightmarish BSD hives or hang out with balefire sharks. IRL terms you'd need to sleep naked since your clothes would pick up radioactive dust and stuff, though.

>>94692350
>earthquake causes nuclear breakdown
yeah no thanks! i know a werewolf plotline when i see one

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>>94692350

>>94692374
Ironically >>94692326 is literally about a piece of the wyrm causing earthquakes that lead to the meltdown.
It's a vampire chronicle though (transylvania).

>>94692132
>>94692060
You'll want to look into MtC 2e and DtD's Seatle and Storyteller's Guides for time stuff. In the former you're looking for Storytelling Timelessness, and in the latter 2 you're looking for Splinters

>>94692060
There's a mainline mortal book all about parallel dimensions, Mirrors

>>94692370
Maybe some of those Old People that went in on suicide missions on those reactors were actually Kindred? I Want To Believe.

>>94692496
>the burly Ukranian miner daddy from Chernobyl was a Brujah

>>94691530
A TV series musical for WtA in the style of Cats

>>94692531
>the Pentex bits turn it into Repo! A Genetic Opera
I'm down

>>94691530
vampires, magic and robots aka love death and robots in wod but every episode is a potential pilot instead of a short story

>>94692251
>If people can actually do magic, it's Awakening.
Define "magic"

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>>94692825
Congrats on starting a flame war that will go all the way into 2025.
Don't feed the Aspie.
Just don't.

Are there any MtAw actual plays that show creative thaumathurgy?

>>94692927
I will never understand the appeal of watching other people play a game I could be playing myself.

>>94693183
I want to see how people use creative thaumathurgy to learn the game.

>>94693183
I have no friends with whom to play the game.

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>>94693221
Based.

>>94693236
oh my god did he dieded

>>94689071
Nah, the Seer patsies were Division Six, complete with yelling "Die Reality Deviants!" at mages.

>>94693242
No, he's fine.
He did blame the elders/ventrue/tremere, though.

>>94693258
lol

>>94693258
>He did blame the elders/ventrue/tremere, though.

Those guys are the worst.

>>94693221
That's sad.
Do you wanna be my friend? I don't play Awakening, though.
Only Ascension.

>>94693337
Fuck you, bunny.

>>94693347
I meant the guys who blame elders/ventrue/tremere for their problems.

>>94693374
When Elders/Ventrue/Tremere are in question, fire is the answer.

>>94693385
Ventrue are FORTchads and Tremere have rituals that dunk on fire.

>>94693389
Good.
It's no fun when a torching ends quickly.
People get upset if you charge 'em tickets for an execution and its over with just one scream and foosh, fireworks.

Stir frying the new bread

>>94693555
>new bread
>page 4
Premature ejaculator strokes again.

>>94693576
I'm doing this on a phone

Fine, we're dropping slower than I thought, I'll hold it off until we hit 10

>>94693654
I thought I was gonna make the new thread, since I made the last... four? I think.
Made a (simple) special edit on an image for it and whatnot.

>>94693689
Eh, I already put it all together, and I don't think I've made one this year.

>>94693700
>>94693689
Sorry, missed you said you made a special image. I'll let you have it if you'd like.

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>>94693700
I emailed myself the thread and the image so I could do it from the phone.
Now I'm curious to see what you had in mind.
I just had an edit of the 1994-1995 WW catalog, you can use it if you don't have anything better in mind.