Previous: >>94715602>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ: What are your EDH resolutions for the new year?
>>94721388God I love trinisphere.
Gay Bolas
TQ: I'm gonna toss some banding stuff in my white decks due to wotc screwing up combat for the worse.
These are all the decks I finally bought this week along with dragonhawk the deck i might buy feel free to call me stupid or say deck sucks or I wasted my money or whatever talkLobelia: https://archidekt.com/decks/10570437/loebliaGolum: https://archidekt.com/decks/10535935/golumGargos: https://archidekt.com/decks/10138624/gargos_prioCalamity: https://archidekt.com/decks/10591695/calamityAnd dragonhawk I haven't but might: https://archidekt.com/decks/10638897/dragonhawk_4Thanks all!! I'm gunna make a UW deck i think, and mono white samurais who knows we will see
>it's the same fucking TQFuck sake. I was in the middle of writing a new OP and then I had a really weird powercut, and now this cunt has fucked it.I'd be even more annoyed if I wasn't so spooked by the powercut.Happened with absolutely no warning, immediately came back on, only seems to have affected my apartment, a few moments after it happened I heard a digital voice say something but I don't own anything that speaks
>>94721406Why did you buy all those decks? Wouldnt you much rather a few condensed decks?
>>94721410Jesus anon. I dont fuck with the supernatural. Do you have any magical talismans or wards? What about pets?
>>94721406Run some Banding you coward. Bushido and Banding is the perfect combo.
>>94721410>a few moments after it happened I heard a digital voice say somethingSomeone in another apartment with an alexa.
Do YOU own a proxy that's more expensive than the real card?
>TQGet my Mishra deck up, running, and in a place where I don't feel the need to constantly change cards in it.Also, back from my LGS. Got in a few games tonight.>Coram (me)>Mothman>Emmara>DisaW: DisaFun game where I got kinda mana screwed but I ended up discarding and then reanimating Doom Whisperer. Spent about 30 life on Surveils, but the real highlight was swinging for 38 with Coram and my mill hit Brawn so I at least got a kill.>Sidar Jabari (me)>Disa>Emmara>MothmanW: Sidar JabariDisa was way ahead with a ton of Tarmogoyf tokens but I got to drop a Blasphemous Edict and just sorta pop off with Kinsbaile Cavalier, Syr Konrad, and Wave-Knight. The real highlight was a Turn 2 Earnest Fellowship which led to constant backtracking on removal and attempts to target with abilities. Most creatures being unblockable was even better, especially for me. At one point I revived Haythem Kenway, exiled Disa's commander, and he went to Terminate it as I moved to end so I dropped Teferi's Protection. Game was fun.last game was a bit weirder>Mishra, Eminent One (me)>Emmara (conceded early due to having to leave)>Mothman>Thrasios + TymnaW: Thasios + TymnaAd Naus into Consultation/Thoracle with a Force of Will to back it up if there was a counter. Overall the game was neat because I got to make Imposter Mech into a copy of Mothman and start distributing counters all over the place before the combo off.
>>94721413>whyBecause it's fun to build decks>wouldn't you ratherI dont understand what you're asking here entirely :)>>94721428Besides the 4 cards in the picture the samurai deck has no cards so I will make it banding samurais that makes sense ^.^
>>94721431I mean, I guess gold border islands count? What proxies are more expensive than that? I had a alt art signed seb mckinnon stasis but I accidentally sold it in a massive stack of singles years ago. That shit would be worth a pretty penny.
>>94721362>Do you have a list for Wildsear. Is he fun?He's okay. 5CMC is a bit much for his effect honestly. He should have been 4, or have "Cascade, cascade"But it's gruul so ramp isn't exactly difficult. I'd recommend shit like Flamekin Herald and Rain of Riches so he can have cascade himself, then it's a lot more worthwhile. And then it's just crammed with things that cascade, enable other things to cascade, or discoverIt's a bit budget, and I should really replace Leaping Ambush with Gift of the Viper, but here you go
>>94721418>I dont fuck with the supernaturalI will punch ghosts. I really doubt it was ghosts though.>Do you have any magical talismans or wards? What about pets?No.Anyway the voice was 100% digital. I didn't quite hear it, but maybe the last word was "ready" or "connected" idk>>94721429>Someone in another apartment with an alexa.Nope, I can't hear shit from the other apartments in my building.
>>94721462You cannot punch a ghost anon. I would know; I punch really hard and lived in a haunted house. Be safe anon, if you leave a small bowl of fresh cut fruit in the corner ghosts will leave you alone. But if it's technology, maybe your washer or dryer? Some smoke alarms talk too.
>>94721462It was me.
>>94721443Someone is getting it. Just look at this 2 mana and you can fuck up a whole combat step by using banding while blocking plus you draw a card holy SHIT! Just look what the funny muppet says how hard Banding dunks of shit like Trample.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXc-R55-1-A
>>94721474>You cannot punch a ghost anonAu contraire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkklt7scu5Y>But if it's technology, maybe your washer or dryer? Don't have>Some smoke alarms talk too.If these ones do, it would be news to me.I don't even know what to attribute it to, because I've lived here when there were actual powercuts. Which is part of why I'm so confused, I know what powercuts look like here, I've never just seen the power go off for like 2 seconds and then come back. But yeah, never heard a digital voice before.You'll think I'm making shit up to be spooky, because I didn't mention it before, but my PC didn't go off entirely either. The keyboard was still lit up and the fan was still going, but the screen was off and the power button wouldnt reset the PC. I even turned the outlet off at the wall and it was still going. It only turned off when I unplugged it completely.Idk though, electricity is weird. >>94721478Oh, well that's alright then
/edhg/ - Ghostbusting General
Anyone have a Yenna deck they can post/ give me some advice on the optimal ammout of creatures to enchantments? Maybe some secret / must run tech? Hold my hand and help a fag out
>>94721539Lol I literally just posted last thread about having a Yenna deck, but unfortunately it's one of my worst and needs upgrading. Too slow and not enough draw.Sorry I can't help anon
>>94721505>power button wouldnt reset the pcI will pray for you. Sounds like a darkweb creepy pasta.
>>94721480Why not just run Baton Of Morale?
>>94721552I seriously doubt. I would assume that PC power units can probably generate some electricity which kept the keyboard and fan on, but the surge meant something in the boot process got fucked up and it needed a hard reset.The light on my phone charger will stay on for like a full 30 seconds after I unplug it, I don't think it's that weird.
>>94721551Uhh lets help each other out anon. At the very least- whats your creature to enchantment ratio? Ive never ran a enchantress deck before
>>94721434>that last gameso he brought out a cedh deck against a bunch of casual decks?
>>94721388>TQ: What are your EDH resolutions for the new year?Play more, play better. I don't care so much about making the best, most optimized decks...but I do get annoyed at myself for making suboptimal plays. I've always been bad at tipping my hand too quickly, playing instants before they're truly needed, that sort of thing. I'd also like to finish more decks. I've enjoyed deckbuilding more, recently, and while I'm not trying to make one of every combo, there's some color combos I haven't tried that I'd like to, like Jeskai.
>>94721554It's cost 4 fucking mana (and dies to everything). I'd rather run Helm of Chatzuk.
>>94721568I wouldn't consider Mothman and Mishra to be casual decks, but the upper tier of non cEDH when built right.Thrasios + Tymna should not be played at that table still, but I feel like the Mishra and Mothman players should have known better to not just immediately kill them
>>94721560Idk, pretty sure thats a sign of computer demons and witchcraft. The power button should mechanically disconnect it and if it wasnt, someone or something is keeping it alive. Just make sure whatever webcam is disconnected and covered. If your computer boots up in the night or without warning, might be time for a ritualistic sacrifice.
How many commander decks is too many commander decks?
>>94721568He gave us fair warning, and I was able to throw a lot of damage his way but we couldn't really finish him off. Mothman player was new too, only had been playing for a few months, a kid really, so he had no idea that he should've been swinging his 11+ power Commander at the guy with no flying blockers. I didn't wanna come off like a jerk, so I didn't wanna pressure him to do it or anything, so it was more just enjoying the vibes and chatter.>>94721583>I wouldn't consider Mothman and Mishra to be casual decksThis is pretty accurate. Working on upgrading Mishra to low cedh so I can bring it to cedh sundays someday, so I knew what I was getting into. >>94721601More than 7 and this definitely isn't because I have/am making 7
>>94721601more than 6
>>94721601More than 3. Others will have different opinions, but think about it logically. There are three power levels: precon, mid, and cedh. There are 5 colours and colourless. Utilizing every colour in your collection can build a monocolour (plus artifacts) and either a 3 colour and another monocolour, or two two-colour decks. There are aproximately 6 types of themes for decks, and a good deck can support two themes, which leaves room for 3 decks. Two decks fit into one fatpack, but a boulder or whatever can only fit one.
>>94721560PSUs getting fucked up can cause that. I've been messing around with AI and it's a big draw on power. If I go overboard my screen goes black and everything becomes unresponsive but the fan and RGB shit on my components is still running. Usually holding the power for 10 secs allows for a hard reset but once or twice I have had to flip the switch on the back of my tower to power it off completely.Some (many?) PCs also have the ability to run for a couple of seconds without power so that in the case of brown outs or extremely short blackouts you don't lose anything.
>>94721643>think about it logicallyWhy?
>>94721551a fellow faerie enjoyer i see, i didn't know this board was visited by men of taste
>>94721561Yeah enchantress can be rough for that because you need a bunch of enchants but can't really afford to cut too much from instants, sorceries, and creatures.I'll just post the list.My advice for enchantress generally though is to not forget that enchantment creatures exist, and Yenna in particular can still copy those. I didn't use many in this build but I might if I were starting from scratch.For a ratio, I always go almost 1:1 on creatures and enchants. In a deck like Yenna you need to have creatures if you want things to attach auras too, which is her thing. You could do this with tokens if you can generate a strong enough token engine- and selesnya is the colors for it. I can name a few staples:>All That Glitters>Sigil of the Empty Throne>Open the Armory>Utopia Sprawl + Arbor Elf>Winds of RathI wouldn't cut any of those from my list.There were some staples I couldn't get when I built it:>Light-Paws, Emperor's Voice>Sythis, Harvest's Hand>Sheltered By Ghosts (completely busted for its mana value)>Enchantress's Presence>Sanctum Weaver>Auramancer>Greater Auramancy>Moon-Blessed Cleric You'll want some big recovery too because aura's will die with any creature board wipe:>Resurgent Belief>Brilliant Restoration>Redress Fate>Retether>Creeping Renaissance (not great, but it's in green rather than white, so throwing it out as an option)>Raise the PastIs a new card that might work if you focus on buffing low power creatures
>>94721650I wasn't running anything power-intensive at all but,>Some (many?) PCs also have the ability to run for a couple of seconds without power so that in the case of brown outs or extremely short blackouts you don't lose anything.yeah that's pretty much what I'm thinkingThat digital voice is still weird to me though, I may never know what it was lol
Absolutely retarded question Can a counter spell target anything on the stack or does it have to counter the thing directly below it?Like:>P1 plays exsanguinate for 9>P2 responds with swan song>P1 responds with counter spell>P3 responds with rewind targeting exsanguinateIs that legal? It feels like it should be because it says "target spell" I've just never seen it done before
>edhrec>top commanders>rank 1>decks>sort: price>highest to lowest>copy to cardkingdom>place order
>>94721673Is there a people more vain than the Indian?
>>94721663Yes you can
>>94721684clearly you've never met an arab
>>94721663you can target anything on the stack, as long as you have priority and the other spells/effects resolved.
>>94721656Then you missed out on one of the greatest memes of our time
>>94721606>Working on upgrading Mishra to low cedhWhy not RogSi for Grixis Artifacts? Show list.
>>94721708i am new to magic and this thread can someone explain what's happening in this image
>>94721711>RogSiI'm gonna be honest I straight up don't know how those decks play or what they actually do to win. I picked Mishra because at the end of the day I wanna do mostly combat and I always liked copying my artifacts. I *want* to win most games with combat damage with stuff like Cybermen Squadron, Simulacrum Synthesizer, etc. But I feel like it's more likely that I'll *have* to draw/tutor into Combat Celebrant or Gonti's Aether Heart for infinite combat/turns>Show list.https://www.archidekt.com/decks/10506363/mishras_warforgeI've gotta make 9 cuts and then refine it after that based on how it feels.
>>94721554Instant Speed, draws a card, has ostrich.
>>94721708>one of the greatest memes of our time>a post that got 4 (four) total replies and 3 of them are just one guy sperging out over and over at the use of the word "peeped"Be honest, are those your replies?
>>94721704>the other spells/effects resolvedhave NOT resolved*
>>94721761yes
I can be silent no longer. Someone in the last thread described something that happened in a mtggoldfish video as if it happened to them in real life
>>94721783maybe the video was of themyou don't know
summoning antinamefagcheck this 5
>>94721796What's he gonna do? Post an image that gets deleted of shit no one cares about?
>>94721807why so hostile? I just like thread personalities, man
>>94721657Cool, appreciate it anon
>>94721820Mmm golem flavor text
>>94721853And this one
Played Pic related today. Made the resident k'rrik fag in our pod scoop after countering him for the third time.
>>94721874Not so fast
>>94720750 Quite often actually, unironically. This is a staple of the format and has been forever. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-99-134-tix-legacy-burn
>>94721601I don't know, and I think it's becoming a problem
Warning: Dangerous levels of based
>>94721923I love Snail, dude is underrated as fuck
I need more survivors. Wacky races can have survivors right?
>>94721601Depends on how much you play. If you play 1 night a week and only get 2 games in then any more than 10 at one time is overkill.But if you play 3 nights a week and get over 10 games in per week then having 25 decks is reasonable (that's me)
>>94721923I like this guy but it's clear he doesn't play cEDH
>>94721923haven't watched the video but if the guy's turn is next and he isn't dead he shouldn't block with tatyova, you can heal most of that off with a decent tatyova turn.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94721923This guy loves huffing his own farts
>>94722042Wrong.
>>94721949Like any EDH content creator, he's very hit or miss. One of his videos was pretty bad where he made a Archelos deck that boiled down to"I tutored for Scapeshift and people didn't find the deck interesting, why?"
>>94722042In the past I would agree, but the meta has changed and I'm glad we have 40.
>>94721761It got reposted and talked about for many threads after, lurk more
>>94721834Oh, I forgot to say, if you can get the Virtue and Valor precon from Wilds of Eldraine it has a bunch of selesnya enchantress staples that you can rip right outta there
>>94721923monetarily compensate the proprietor of this website to occupy space on the page for self-promotion
I'm torn between building Raffine or Oskar. I want to do something similar with both (drawing and discarding without wheeling, with relevant synergy and payoff) but they each offer something different that I want. I like that Raffine involves turning creatures sideways, but I also like that Oskar basically gives all my spells flash.Which do I build?
>>94722107>get fucked by ad blockersno
>>94722162Election tourists are dumb normies with cellphones. They don't use ad blockers. If they used ad blockers they would have all been permabanned for shitting up every board.
>>94722171>replying to the guy admitting that he’s using these threads to advertize
>>94722027No blockers? I'm gonna COOMBOO
>>94721388>TQ: What are your EDH resolutions for the new year?Alter more of my cards, starting with Zask todayBuild a couple more decks for variety
>>94721882>>94721874These are both dangerously based. Both sit in my Knight deck just to piss people off who have multicolor decks and don't expect you to practically forbid their commander from existing.
>2U>Sorcery>Put two +1+1 counters on target creature. Proliferate twice.Would you play this card?
>>94721601There are zero scenarios were having more than 5 decks is ever necessary unless you are other people's method of playing the game (from which you should have additional 5 monocolored Pauper EDH decks at the ready).
>>94721431I drew and made my own tokens for Ashiok Nightmare muse at a print shop that cost more than the actual token card yea. It was because i was excited to play Ashiok deck in standard as Theros came out.
>>94722046Maybe i'm alone in this but it this guy and that trinket mage avatar dude just feel so fucking pretentious and high and mighty i can't really stand them. Even worse when people seem to jerk them off where they have never really said or done anything in their videos that made me think differently about the game or improve.
>>94722595Should be a white or green effect (white already has a card that lets you either put +1/+1 counters on a creature or proliferate, and green tends to get a lot of cards that buff creatures). Blue usually gets "draw a card and proliferate" effects, oroccasionally a bad counterspell or removal with proliferate stapled on.Regardless, I would play it in my Phyrexian deck. The +1/+1 counter part is basically superfluous, though nice to have. It could as well just read "proliferate twice". Granted, it would technically be somewhat overpriced then (proliferate on instants/sorceries on its own is generally valued at 1 mana), but given how useful getting as many poison counters per cast is, and how many ways there are to turn that into 3 or 4 counters per cast, it'd still be worth it.
>>94722578Don't ever @ me again dog cock lover.
>>94722709Don't post cards that hit a 10 on the based-meter and I won't feel the need to reply complimenting them
>>94722794hey, you dropped your commander
>Been rocking pic related since it released>Everyone did their room temp IQ take on him and dropped him like a bad habit because he wasn't a free win from the zoneLove this nigga like you wouldn't believe.
>>94722900Extremely good taste, love the mix of versatility and sac outlet>>94722898at least shitpost with the OG print, that dog is based
trying too hard to fit in
>>94722900>7 mana and a tap before you can do like 15 damage tops to one(1) target if you spend even more resources in topdeck manipulationNot seeing how that's good champ. But nothing wrong with liking bad commanders.
>>94722900i wanted to scrap my Saruman the White Hand list, which runs a lot of false CmC cards. he seems like a nice replacement. How did you build him?
>>94721431Yes, several. As a Canacuck every card is either jacked up by 30-50 cents by default if I buy it from here or shipping/conversion raises it that high anyways so its almost always cheaper to just order MPC bulk even for supposed penny cards than it is to actually buy them for me. Plus I hate new borders and if a card has art that I don't like or just bugs me I'll just make a proxy of it. I try to make my decks feel as retro as possible by either adding pre-8th addition versions of cards or custom making my own with art I feel evokes real old school vibes if there are no real versions that exist. Pic related is a sample from my latest MPC order.
>>94721400Is this manafixing for multicolor spells? Making a 3 mana spell rwb into just 2r etc?
>have super powerful cards>don't use them or use them against weak targets>I could blow up your commander, but I pick your 1/1 token instead>I can also destroy a land, but this spell says up to 1, so I just pick 0What do you call this playstyle?
>>94722984Sandbagging
Does cursed totem stop mana dorks?
>>94722976No.>>94722984Faggotry.>>94723028Yes.
>>94722097>>94722097I guarantee by the same person evey time who desperately wants to see it's become a meme
>>94722928>Prototype>Evoke>Split cost>Pic relatedSimply not my problem. >>94722940It's an Artifact Reanimator deck that uses a lot of the Prototype cards + Fabricate creatures. Replace Instant/Sorcery removal for Evoke creatures, shove a fuckload of MDFC lands in the mix (so if you rip one off the top but don't have the mana to csst it, you get the damage, card advantage, and land play for the turn), and there are shenanigans that involve Nim Deathmantle loops along with classic Worldgorger Dragon going infinite mana with Animate Dead (Haste enabler + Elixer of Immortality means you can rip your deck into your opponent's faces literally forever, so that one player who thinks stacking "10-bagillion life" means he can't die is in for a rude awakening).
>>94723068>I shoved some off theme infinites in here and surprisingly it's strong now!Ya don't say
>>94723075>Sacing things and bringing stuff back from the dead while throwing big CMC spells for cheap damage is off themeIt's literally the entire theme, Anon.
>>94723075>well, that commander doesn’t tell you exactly what cards to put in his deck like my based and redpilled waifu Tatyova does, so your deck probably isn’t very good>n-no, it doesn’t count if you actually BUILD your deck to be good
>>94723036>YesExcellent.
>>94723089Please tell me where thematically the card says shove a dragon in here lmao>>94723099I'm sorry but you're clearly getting angry at something no one said>anon smugly claims he loves this card because he's a super special player and unlike everyone else he could see the potential >said potential is shoving in infinites at which point the commander does not matter more than the colours it providesI clearly struck a nerve with you two insecure fellas
>>94723068sounds like a fun and good brew, but why the fabricate creatures? just for the additional body?
>>94723137remember: first to say "struck a nerver", while autistically screeching like everybody else, always wins
>>94723157>hands shaking in such pantsshitting rage that he can't even spell the phrase he's trying his hardest to quotelmaoHe's not just right on the premise, he's right that you're an asspained faggot.
>>94723179>grammar grammar typo XDDcase in point, and im not even the other fagsdont make me pull out the trip
>>94721949I dont really like this kind of creators, they all want to push personal rule they wish everyone should follow.
>>94723209while being completly oblivious to the fact they play in their own niche meta too, most of the time
>>94723157>calmly state your positions>assblasted insecure fag needs to say this is autistic screeching
>>94723215>>94723209The funny part is he will say all the time that his opinions were formed in that shitty pod he played in in college and he kept data on the games so we *have* to listen! Yeah I fucking hate Snail. Shittt advice and shitty views on the game. Dude made a malfegor deck and needed to jerk himself off for 20 minutes for doing standard malfegor things
>>94723231thats why i trust toobers who are 60 card players first more than the overwhelming amount of EDH channels
>>94723149>Body + Sac outlet for both Commander and Goblin Welder (Sac Prototype creature you paid for the cheap cost, replace it by sacking a shitter artifact token/treasure for the real varient)>Easy Nim Deathmantle loops with Phyrexian Altar/KCI>2 blockers early game if someone gets a hot startJust fixes a lot of issues and has synergy with what I'm doing already.>>94723137>Please tell me where thematically the card says shove a dragon in here lmaoThe part where>deck if filled with ETB/LTB effects>Generates infinite mana so you can have Hidetsugu throw your entire deck into everyone's face>Deck is already on artifact reanimator gameplan, so the Animate Dead package is basically free of charge>Single card addition that gives me access to multiple ways to simply close the game if need be>Kamigawa Legendary
>price of a card of my budget deck goes up a lot>now it's more expensive than my defined arbitrary budget>even worse: it's the commander, so idk if i change some cards in the 99 or keep it that way and live with the itching autism
>>94723337>please say on the card where...>anon writes an essay on everything BUT what the card says
>>94723340When i make a deck, when I finish it, I write down in the comments and I have a notepad as well and I write it down there as well, how much I spent on the deck. That is my decks value, not what it inflates or deflates to. If I spend 100 on a deck and every card 10x and now its a 1000000 dollar deck i will still pull up with it to budget night because it was 100 bucks to put together
>>94723358Here, I even color coded it for you.
>>94721657>Yeah enchantress can be rough for that because you need a bunch of enchants but can't really afford to cut too much from instants, sorceries, and creatures.Or you just play the overtuned commander which provides the card draw, the enchantment based wincon AND the enchantments to enable said wincon.
>>94721657>>94723426>enchantress>roughhe was joking, right?
>>94721601I've got thirty-three, myself.
>>94723434I mean before Ellivere the usual enchantress lists suffered from severe lack of wincon. You got all all the card draw, all the life gain, all the resilience but you didnt win. When even Legacy decklist had to resort to garbage like Sigil of the Empty Throne and Sacred Mesa you know you are in deep shit.
It's not a combo unless it goes infinite.There's no point in playing any deck that isn't power 8 or higher.You're obligated to read every card as you play it, otherwise you are a rat.These are facts.
If you had something on the board that caused an ETB to trigger twice, and played Grasp of Fate, would you nig 6 cards?
>>94723492Literally all of these are wrong anon
>>94723504yes, assuming it applies to enchantments
>>94723504Let me consult wolfram for you anon one second.Seems you are right the math checks out
>>94723492
>scryfall is "le most advanced card search ever">it can't even find cards with the text "win the game" on them
do you guys think it would be good to start using a turn timer in our casual EDH group? we're all pretty new to magic so these turns are taking forever, our last game lasted 3 hours
>>94723538I can. https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22you+win+the+game%22
>>94723543No.Use a 4 man chess timer instead.
>>94723559thanks i just needed someone to write the syntax for me
>>94722911>alert the men changed to alert the guardswhy
>>94722102Hell yea it does, I should just bite the bullet and grab it, but ive just been buying singles from it at my LGS. Traded for a Eldrazi Conscription as a finisher. Sure its expensive to cast, but Im building it with tons of ramp/ cost reducer's so getting 20/20 + Annihlator 4 and trample for 5 or so mana using Yenna's ability seems like a decent way to end a game. Especially if i have something like Unnatural Growth out. Stupid question - if I have 2 Growth's out, does the ability trigger twice? Im thinking no, but unsure
>myriad only makes a copy of a base creature, not the state they were at when they attacked.Lame
>>94721992cEDH is lame, its just thassacle rush or bust.>>94723209This is the same feel with Trinket Mage. He should really fuck off because he keeps tell me to play nothing but goodstuff slop and only 10 or so cards that work with the commander.>>94722688You ain't alone. Esp. trinket mage.>>94723308Any suggested channels that isn't Mengu's Workshop or Cardmarket? I forgot to find that Legacy channel that was a primer to Lands deck and linked to pendrellvale.com, which was useful for my lands deck.
>>94721601No upper cap. If you have a shit loads of cards in binders, and actually play and not just collect, then put them to use. Just dont ever bring them all to your LGS. It comes of looking funny when you have those dumbass big yellow cases, and some dickhead might see it as a easy lick
>>94723703>he doesn't put myriad on good creaturesskill issue
>>94723426Are you running her OBO, or did you swap some stuff? Im the anon building Yenna, and shes on my buy list for sure
>>94723209It gets kinda annoying when people later keeps repeating it as an absolute rule. Like how to command zone for a decade had a hold on how to build a deck with their template and everything below cedh just turn into midrange slop without consideration for playstyle or curve.
>>94723680wokeism
>>94723308For edh I like toobers mostly if they have jank builds and not just the standard stuff. The standard stuff i already know and can look up myself but jank builds or just unique cards and interactions to build around is a neat way to get inspiration atleast for me.
>>94723784Any suggested tubers that do build jank commander decks? want to do something jank but can't seem to get it right. Pic related, don't want to do the usual Ludevic + Vial Smasher chaos deck.
>>94722639This is poor people cope.Do you also own 5 video games and 5 outfits?
Okay anons I'm breaking down my Goosemother deck to make Rashmi and Ragavan, and I can't decide if I should put my leftover food (heh) stuff into Sophia for dog tribal and counter stuff or Bernard for etb/sac stuff. Both seem fun
>>94723434Tell me you don’t play enchantress without telling me you don’t play enchantress.It’s a popular way to ply the game, but in terms of deck building it demands that you make a card type that usually only gets 5 cards or less in the average deck the focus of your deck without cutting any of the interaction a typical deck needs.It’s a tall order. Most enchantments do not 1 to 1 replace instants and sorceries
>>94722595>>94722689
>>94722595>>94722689It's what clones become when I target my next commander
>>94723918I'm also thinking of making a Rashmi and ragavan list. All the Rashmi cards are stupid free value and really easy to build on a budget. I'd go Sophia because berard bores me
>hey an interesting simic design for once let's build it>it's actually another overwhelming value pukershit's retarded or maybe I am
How do I abuse this card?
>>94723942>Most enchantments do not 1 to 1 replace instants and sorceriesMost enchantments are 100% unplayable in any constructed context. There are enough enchantments that provide removal, card draw, combat tricks, evasion/protection, ramp, token production, and just about anything else that players usually use instants and sorceries for.
>>94724023Try to play against opponents who play lands and then use its activated ability targeting those lands. You'll need red mana for that so having a bunch of red mana sources is a good idea too.
>>94724027There are no viable enchantment board wipes or counterspells (inb4 Counterbalance)Token generation and spot removal sure. But even then, your spot removal is almost always exiling under which just lets shit come back.I have no idea why you would argue this. Enchantress decks have much less interaction than a typical deck and making space for enchantments and choosing what to cut from the other card types is a challenge
>>94724022I'll be honest anon if you read what manifest dread is you should've been able to tell it was a value puker before building.
>>94724023inf mana
>>94716878This is what I made for first draft. It just doesn't feel very interesting though.https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6840895#paper
>>94724065
>>94723942>>94724065Im the Yenna anon, got any deckbuilding tips I should follow? Also- Winds of Wrath seems viable
>group of college friends start trying out magic>Trying to be very transparent that the health of the game is not great and it can be a money sink, but also don't want to shit in their cereal>one of them already plays>turns out he is >that guy in disguise>he turns them off from the game after comboing them T4 and 5 with long turns multiple times while they're still getting a basic grasp of the rulesThe problem has solved itself.
>>94724183Just tell your tryhard friend to chill. Communication goes a long way
>>94724032>>94724075So you cant, really
What are you guys up to today?Building decks?Buying cardsCracking packs?
>>94724183>playing degenerate magic against newbies>not playing simple 1vs1 straight forward almost limited levels of magic to teach the basics.I think the issue is the playerbase.
>>94724209Just bought Shalai(i know), Enchantress Presence,Sythis and Magewrights Stone from a Ebay buddy for 11 bucks total. Im obviously, this>>94723749 anon
>>94724198It's too late, the first impressions have been made.
>>94724209Opened a Duskmourn box. Got a bunch of neat black cards. I'm going to be introducing another friend group of mine to EDH, so contemplating making 4 decks with the cards so they're relatively simple and at the same powerlevel. Might restrict the card amount to 60 so I can make do with less.
I see a pub, I stomp. Simple as.
>>94724321Damn, helluva lotta doubles overall not bad though
>>94724209Im building a 5c proliferate deck focused on fading, charge, and divinity counters
>>94724065>your spot removal is almost always exiling underYou are retarded.>no boardwipesMeathook Massacre, Meathook Massacre 2, Spiteful Banditry, Out of Time>no counterspells (this counterspell doesn't count)Lunar Force, Declaration of Naught, Lifeforce, Deathgrip.It's also interesting how you went from 'enchantments don't replace instants and sorceries' to 'enchantments don't replace specifically counterspells and boardwipes'. You are telling me that the majority of instants/sorceries played are counters and boardwipes? Spot removal, ramp, protection, and card draw are all suddenly irrelevant compared to counters and boardwipes?You are a retard who has not played with or against an enchantment deck in at least 5 years.
>>94724075This is not even that useful since you can only put counters on lands that do not already have counters. In most scenarios pic related is better at providing the same effect.
>>94724354The RW card at the bottom-right corner is another Arabella. I got a regular and a foil from the same pack. Would've liked more rakdos cards like Lord of Pain and Valgavoth, but I'm pretty happy overall. Never buying sealed packs ever again though. Lotta cash.
Would it be OK to take apart all these shitty ass pre-cons I got for Christmas to make other decks?
>>94723362That take is almost as stupid as opening old booster packs and saying you didn't lose money because you only spent x amount on the box back then.
>>94724439Why do you need our permission to modify something you own?
>>94724439As long as you gave them a couple games each.
>>94724369haha, this does NOTHING against me
>>94724439Yup. Precons are awful, by and large.
>>94723726>cEDH is lame, its just thassacle rush or bust.Nope. Hasnt been for a few years now.
If cEDH isn't a deck that can win on turn 3/4 but something even better, what is the point of playing a 100 card format?I don't get it. If it's just ''search through deck get win con'' why wouldn't you just play modern or something?
>>94724540Why do you play EDH? Literally every reason to play EDH applies as much or more to CEDH.
>>94724549not him but I play it because it's a format where you can play jank or obscure cards and can get away with itthis doesn't apply to CEDH
>>94723942Building enchantress is not a tall order at all, get your nose outta your ass. Enchantress pretty much build themselves, and are made even easier with blatant goodstuff commanders like Yenna or Go Shintai.Shits no different than a spellslinger deck, as most instants/sorcersies dont replace creatures 1 to 1. its almost like permanents are a whole different thing. apples and oranges
>>94724569>laughs in slime against humanity spellslinger
>>94724439Only if you get permission from an online imageboard.
>>94724591Speaking of card repetition these guys are my new favorite archetype
>>94724569100% this, all go-shintai decks and GW enchantments decks are SOLVED shit, also ellivere is the best one (maybe sythis is as good as her), but the art is dogshit in the card, they put the good art in the box, fuck wotc
>>94724556>not him but I play it because it's a format where you can play jank or obscure cards and can get away with itThat's every single format. That has nothing to do with the format, it has to do with the table you're playing it with.It's not that that's not not true of CEDH, but that any format can be played noncompetitively. There's nothing unique about EDH in that respect. If you played kitchen magic vintage instead of kitchen magic 100 card singleton you could run 4 of your pet card and have it be 1/15th of your deck, as well.
>>94724462The fact you think these things are analogous is very sad anon. Here is a good example after Stella Lee was released the U/R wisps cards 10x in price. Are they magically ten times better? No, so the 25 cents i spent on them at the time of purchase is what I'll consider when I'm looking at if it's a budget deck or not
>>94724609going with Helm of the Host or Blade of Selves + Amulet of Vigor?
So the topic of casual vs competitive is an interesting one. People talk like these terms are set in stone, but I'm still a little confused.Based on what people are saying, competitive decks tend to win quickly, and tend to be consistent as a result of tutors. They will also often have instant win combos, but that's not a hard requirement.What confuses me a bit is that a deck of answers and efficient threats can be strong and win often, but it technically doesn't meet any of the above three criteria. The player who just plays snapcaster mages and counterspells is going to win very often, but they're never going to do it quickly, they're never going to cast a single tutor, and they don't have a single combo in their deck.So how should we determine what "competitive" means? If the answer is "it is designed to win", then that gets messy because every deck ever made is technically designed to do that. If the answer is "it aims to win ruthlessly", then that's a better answer that does further define what you mean, but it's still unclear because Timmy would say you're ruthless for casting doomblade on his dinosaur, whereas someone who comes from a legacy/modern background doesn't bat a single eye at you destroying every land on the battlefield. So it once again becomes relative.I think the best answer that I've seen so far is win rate. Percentage of games played vs percentage of games won. The higher your win rate, the higher the deck is competitive. This has a subjective element as well in that playing against new players using precons will give you a high win rate, but at least that's very obvious and everyone in the room knows that's not what you mean, and that you're talking about win rate vs other serious players. So the relative element to this definition is at least obvious and common sense, unlike the last one, where both players legitimately have different reactions based on their experience.
>>94724609how often do they pop off?
>>94724651Welcome to the troubles of a social format, where one player will think you're a pubstomping cedh player for not having a combat wincon and another thinks you're durdling too much at the same time, enjoy your stay.
>>94723749I'm running a heavily modified cEDH list tuned down to mid power. Threw out all the fast mana and tutors. Just very efficient beats. If you want my suggestions get or proxy these 3 cards. they are by far the best finishers for ellivere.
>>94724651>I think the best answer that I've seen so far is win rate. Percentage of games played vs percentage of games won.Essentially yes. A deck winning more often than 25% indicates it deserves to face stronger decks. It keeps doing this until it hits the expected winrate. SBMM is virtually solved but cognitive biases stops mouthbreathers from acknowledging it. If you think you're better than your deck then you should feel excited to try facing stronger decks with it, if you hit an expected winrate with your 100$ shitpile against other people's whale staples that's something to be proud about. But most people don't want to be challenged or work hard so they just want to keep pubstomping and maximize the number of games where they're winning and no one has a chance of stopping them.
>>94724705SBMM is fine if it places you consistently against 4 equally powerful playersSBMM is not fine when it keeps you at 25% win rate by dropping you against a $2000 cEDH deck player whenever you get ahead too much
>>94724651When I started playing EDH it was more of a silly format you played when you got burned out of Legacy. You played your dumb silly unplayable cards which where sitting in your binder for years.Nowadays a lot of people never played anything but EDH so they try to satisfy their thirst to compete in this format. Others feel like they need to put the strongest cards the format has to offer in their modified precon because they think this will compensate their lack of game knowledge when they keep on losing. They don't understand this will start an arms race where the end stop is generic decks.
I have a lot of Selesnya enchantress staples, can I make a FUN Selesnya enchantment-focused deck that isn’t “when enchantment draw card”?
I've played every archetype and played every power level extensively. The real endgame is to make decks for waifus you like.
>>94724591>want to build the deck>don't want it to be another Flubs Slime deck
>>94724651>I think the best answer that I've seen so far is win rate. Percentage of games played vs percentage of games won. The higher your win rate, the higher the deck is competitive.That still only works within a given band of tuning. A deck could have a 50% win rate in one group and a 25% win rate in another based purely on the decks it's up against. So, if it plays primarily in the second group, you'd call it less competitive even though it's the same deck. Which, sure, can function...but really only as long as those power levels are agreed upon. And we all know how good EDH players are at that.
>>94724731Here we see the mouthbreather.
>>94724834You're being retarded now. There are no objective power levels, though some decks are better than others because some cards a better than others etc.I can make a deck that contains 40% hatecards by volume that absolutely decimates my local metagame where everyone plays the same archetype and a more conventional "competitive" deck would be a thousand times less competitive in my environment. Competitiveness is always relative to the context.
>>94724856it's nice to see some people still don't understand how certain SBMM algorithms workthere's equal victory chance SBMM, which is fantastic, because every victory and every loss feels earnedand then there's pity/punishment SBMM where a large percentage of games you play will be either entirely unwinnable or else impossible to lose
>>94724705>If you think you're better than your deck then you should feel excited to try facing stronger decks with it, if you hit an expected winrate with your 100$ shitpile against other people's whale staples that's something to be proud about.These are inherently a competitive perspective, making them relatively meaningless when talking about how to differentiate casual vs competitive. The reason casual players don’t care for SBMM is that they don’t care about their ranking. They aren’t engaging in the game for skill testing in the first place, so they don’t want to be forced to interact with the competitive ladder. They don’t care about their win rate, they care about having fun in a game.
>>94724879If you win games your MMR goes up and you face people with higher MMR, retard. If you lose games your MMR goes down and you face people with lower MMR. This perfectly explains how mouthbreathers like you imagine up a "pity/punish" system.
>>94724866>Competitiveness is always relative to the context.Then the original ask of how to determine what is “competitive” is a fool’s errand because that isn’t an objective determination that can be made.
>>94724883Then either they care about other's people's fun and they make sure their deck has a 25% winrate or lower or they admit that to them fun is pubstomping.
>>94724830mine's Gale/Master Chef if you can stomach the UB stuff (I personally find D&D crossovers to be much more tolerable than most) it's a pretty fun deck, run your interaction and card draw in instants, and make most of your sorceries aside from a few boardwipes or so slimes end up with ever increasingly big slimes that can come out at instant speed if need be or else have an instant attached to them
>>94724887if the system you're using is not transparent about what your MMR is, then there's usually a reason for it like I said, I enjoy proper SBMM, where the MMR is transparent because you know you're facing similarly skilled peoplebut if you suddenly face someone out of nowhere who has frigging dual lands or so, you know there's something funky
>>94724705SBMM would be a piss-poor system for EDH. The games take long enough and people swap decks often enough that it’d take months to meaningfully rank a given player+deck combination—and it gets even messier when you account for the fact that most people WOULDN’T be randomly playing against the entire pool of potential opponents, but just their local subset. You’d have regional variance in MMR that would have a handful of individuals crossing between regions and never actually stabilizing to match their probable opponents. And then you get into the fact that people might change their decks by varying amounts with each set release, meaning that the relevance of historical performance would decay at different rates for different decks.
>matchmaking for edhMake some friends? Be less insufferable at the lgs? All this talk for made up problems
>>94724651The answer is simple, just like in other formats. If your deck can beat top decks, it's a competitive deck. Winrate and other nonsense have nothing to do with anything because most people are not top end skilled pilots of their decks. Essentially there are four tiers of deck: vintage-lite/legacy, which uses every card legal in the format; modern, which relies on the modern cardpool and is missing a lot of reserve list cards; pioneer, which is were almost every battlecruiser deck resides and; standard, which is the most recent slop haphazardly thrown together and precons. While some decks may have cards from other tiers, the mentality of the player building the deck is important. For example, I've been playing edh for a decade and have most of the RL cards I could want, but others might find a mox opal or ancient tomb prohibitively expensive, and so they reside on a lower tier out of necessity. A lot of the jargon around "fun" and "pub stomping" comes from people who percieve mtg as pay to win. It's not, it's pay to play or proxy, and as a result they try to gatekeep people to certain tiers to justify why their deck that would ordinarily lose in an open meta is actually good. But in the end, as long as you try your best, improve as much as you can, and play close meaningful games, the teir of your deck doesnt matter. However if you dont stay in your lane, there is a large possibility for feelsbads.
>>94724499So, Stella Lee storm then?
>>94724900Trying to force players who don’t care about competition to track their competitive performance isn’t going to be particularly successful. I know people who enjoy playing certain decks even though they have a win rate of 10% or less—but they don’t know that. And, if they did, it could well make them enjoy those games less because now they’re being told that they’re bad.
>>94724912The principle of winrate can very simply be approximated too "Hmm, this deck I'm playing keeps winning way more often than it should, I shouldn't play it unless I'm facing decks more powerful than the ones I have been facing with it recently."
>>94721388Is he any good in the 99 outside of turn 1 or 2?
>>94724985>play four games with a deck over the course of a month>it has won more than onceGuess I have to find a new playgroup or kneecap the deck. I mean, we’ve hit statistical significance at a sample size of N=4, right?
>>94725010he's good enough at turn 1 or 2 you still want him in your 99 anyways
>>94725027Yes.
>>94721406arent you the anon who cried about never winning a game?
>>94725067No i am not what a weird thing to make up
>>94721434>swordfagwe dont want your roleplaying here you fucking fag, fuck off back to /d/ and simp over your cartoon drawings
I enjoy this deck since I like 40k and actually use Greyfax in the tabletop game, but The Flesh is Weak triggers the shit out of me. It kills all the soldier tokens you make and it kills a few of the creatures like Arco-Flagellant, Space marine Scout, Sister Repentia, and several others. Whoever thought putting a static -1/-1 enchantment in a token deck is an actual crazy person. I don't want to edit the deck since I like the idea of having an un-altered precon available for precon battles but this card makes me seethe.https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6842104#paper
>>94725083Dont reply to cretins or he'll start samefagging again.
Feels so good to be the archenemy, these moments where 3 players are trying to stop me and I win anyways are the reason why I play this game
>>94723492Oh hey look its you
>>94725051>Exiles topdeck>Potential steal >RampsIs Esper Sentinel overall still better than Ragavan? They're still fairly close in price.I have a Boros deck and I try to only run a single hated card
>>94725201this but I'm literally doing nothing and still targeted by all
>late spring/early summer>last time I played edh at my lgs>fast forward a couple months realize I have left sasaya at the LGS>immediately right it off figure it's been months it's gone and it was only 100 dollar list give or take>fast forward to today>get the urge to call up the lgs and just ask cause why not you dumb fuck>I get a few security questions essentially but the answer is yes they have itPretty stoked really loved this deck
>>94725214this but I'm not even playing magic, I'm playing with my wurm
>>94721601I have 35 of which I am playing 32 in a tournament together while 3 are "retired" due to lack of competitiveness (barely upgraded precons) so 32 should be your max
>>94725228my annoying ass would be activating its ability every turn for no reason
>>94725239post decks or bullshit
>>94725201if you can handle 3v1 then your group is using precons or is full of newbies, either way your deck powerlevel is not suited for the table
>>94725272Cope, cry, seethe, mald, piss, moan.Scoreboard.
>>94725278Your ego could not handle cedh.
>>94725272Depends on a variety of factors.>>94725201It is pretty great. I like when people underestimate me.
>>94725243like... irl picture of all 32 together?? I guess, give me a few minutes if you really are curious
>>94725283well ofc bro, you need to prove your autism, you don't just make a claim like that and keep like it's nothing at all
>>94721601I had about 14? that was too much so ive kept a few sold the restmade 1600 too so was worthKrenko, Mob BossThe Gitrog MonsterGrimlock, Dinobot LeaderTovolar, Dire OverlordSkrelv, Defector MiteChiss-GoriaArahbo, Roar of WorldsTeferi, Temporal ArchmageJorn, God of WinterGix, Yawgmoth PraetorBirgi, God of StoriesMagus Lucea KaneJin-GitaxiasVorinclex, Monstrous Raider
>>94721388>>TQ: What are your EDH resolutions for the new year?To finally make the monowhite humans deck ive been theorycrafting. I think I'll use the new waifu anime girls from foundations as commander.
>>94721402based
>>94725322has wotc changed combat recently now?
>>94725404Yes, but I can never remember what they did.
>>94725426blockcels need to cast their combat tricks before attackchads assign their damage
>>94725201>flexing about already winning a gameLel.
what the FUCK was his problem??
>>94725435They had to do it already that way. It's no longer 1999, damage doesn't use the stack.
>>94725435that's so stupid considering in every strategy game ever the defense needs the upper hand in combat, like take risk for example. But then again design team is full of cretins and nepohires at this point.
>>94725487Players previously got priority after damage order assignment, meaning you knew the order in time for combat tricks. No longer.
>>94725487Nah you see it's different, before the blocker would know which creature you assign damage to and then they could cast a pump spell to screw up the attacker. Now you just don't know as a blocker and attacker can just assign whatever they feel and that's it, no way to respond. The blowout potential for blocking has gotten bigger.
>>94725475The nose knows.
>>94725528You mean after declaring blockers? You still can cast stuff after blockers are declared, but you never got priority when you start assigning damage after damage stopped using the stack.
I want to build a commander from Bloomburrow. Are there any that stick out in terms of being fun or at least interesting?
>>94725553Flubs and Glarb.
>>94725553DRAGONHAWK TUAH
>>94725487Wrong.Previously the attacking player assigned an order for the attacking creature to deal damage to blocking creatures wherein no damage would be dealt to the second creature until lethal damage had been assigned to the first. This ordering was done at the end of the declare blockers step. If I had a 4/4 attacker that was blocked by a Grizzly Bears and a Runeclaw Bear I would choose to assign damage to the Grizzly Bears first during the declare blockers step. After doing that but before combat damage was applied my opponent could cast a giant growth on Grizzly Bears and save both creatures.Now there is no opportunity to respond to the attacking player choosing how damage is divided (and they no longer need to assign lethal combat damage to any creature). In the same situation the attacker is blocked by Grizzly and Runeclaw, the defending player casts Giant Growth on the Grizzly at the beginning of the Combat Damage step and then the attacking player chooses to assign 2 damage to Runeclaw and 2 to Grizzly (or 4 to Runeclaw and 0 to Grizzly if he prefers).>>94725519That's debatable. I dislike the change because as per the rationale given in the rules change announcement, it is specifically catering to retards who don't know the rules to avoid 'feelsbad' moments but I think that encouraging attacking is a good decision to try and shift formats away from turtling or playing solitaire until you combo off. In EDH it is good to encourage offense since the nature of a 4 person game means it is already risky to attack with non-vigilant creatures since it leaves you open.The problem is that standard is overrun by faggy aggro decks and this change only helped them, albeit minorly.
>>94725545>Enter combat>Either player can cast an instant before attackers, but defender has to wait before attacker says move to attackers>Declares attackers>Attacker gets to play any effect before blocks>Blocker gets to play any effect before blocks>Blockers declared>Attacker can play any instant>Blocker can play any instant>DamageIsn't this how it's always been?
Reminder that damage on the stack was the best system and there was literally no reason to ever move away from it
>>94725312Fuck why the fuck did I ever agree to do this shit I can't even fit all 32 in the frame just 28But I really do have 35 decks-TournamentSchizoAnon
>>94725614realistically, how many times do you rotate playing them? which do you play the most?
>>94725614And just how much money is sitting in those piles?
>>94725579I see your point and i get you with turtling up and such but i think it's bad to design the game for a format that doesn't really follow traditional rules.As mostly from a limited standpoint i hate it. Because usually if you're blocking you're already at a disadvantage so as a way to turn a game around and sometimes swing the whole draw/play advantage around is to do some smart blocks which aren't possible anymore. It just gives even more advantage to someone who already usually is ahead.
>another FNM>another 3 games where nothing noteworthy happens for a few turns and then someone explodes and wins immediatelyWhy bother /edhg/? Why bother?
>>94725684Why did you build a deck that can't do something to progress the gamestage every turn?
>>94725684>for a few turns and then someone explodes and wins immediatelyWhat should the alternative be, everyone jacks off for 20 turns to a stalemate?
>>94725684>me when Magic: the Gathering
>>94725618I do round robin tourneys so each deck gets 4 random opponents drawn by a website, then the 24 best records move on to a wildcard round, top 8 get a bye, bottom 16 play each other, then the classic Round of 16, Quarterfinals, Semifinals, Finals. So it's not a Single Elimination slugfest where bad luck takes out an expensive deck, I make the most out of every single one, which is why it's not very cost efficient to use more than 32 for this kind of thing since some will be way more powerful than others. Out of all of them the oldest one I have that was functional from the start was Athreos but he's never won a tournament because the Aristocrats engine is dated now. Chatterfang is next oldest and he choked the Finals twice. >>94725624Ideally I want to say 3 or 4k, in reality probably 8-10k, I stopped counting once the pain of spending a majority of my birthday and Christmas money on cardboard numbed me.
I feel like I'm bullying a new guy at the table.For context, we all play digitally so the format is budgetless. This guy is 100% new and probably not trying to steamroll.>First game he reveals Bolas's Citadel off Fact or Fiction, then casts One Ring>Second game he casts Ad Naus>Third game he flashes in Notion Thief, pitching Mental Misstep to Force of Will protecting it>Next two games just don't give him any ground at all. Swing at him relentlessly and prevent him from resolving any value pieces.I'm pretty sure that, strategically speaking, it was the optimal play, but at the same time I feel I gave him a non-game. I'm not really sure how to explain abstract concepts like power levels and play patterns to him when he himself is still learning the game. "Yeah our table doesn't run Sol Ring because it's too good, but we all still build decks trying to win."
>>94725614holy shit, the autism is real, i salute you bro, i have only 3 decks and i don't even have time for them
>>94725684My crux is being on the opposing side of that sentiment. It's fucking deflating when I hit a sick sequence and nobody makes an attempt to disrupt it at any point, even though I go out of my way to do the most complicated sequences that require a bunch of specific moving parts.
>>94725684You need a little blue in your life my nigga. Counter spell here, a stifle there, saves the game for everybody.
>>94725708In one of those games I was 1 turn away from being able to win. And then the person to my right hit me for 42 burn.Would have taken me 2 turns to kill everyone, I don't do infinite combos or massive burn damage, it's cheap.>>94725741Everyone develops their board and advances to a win throughout the game instead of just positioning pieces to enable a single explosive turnThe game is becoming YuGiOh and I hate it.>>94725964I was playing blue. I don't have enough counterspells for everything and everyone
>>94724540Because no one wants to play canadian/legacy/vintage but crushing a precon pod at the lgs makes them excited I guess.
>>94721388What are some good repeatable removal in Golgari colors that synergize with proliferate?I found Triskelion, Walking Ballista is out of my price range, I wonder if there's any others.
>>94724540It's always people who played Standard but want to abuse broken mechanics and dominate casual players.They need to be fucking contained. It's like showing up to the play ground to play tag, roided up and in full football armor
>>94721601I never have more than 3 built at once, it forces my scatterbrain to focus on whatever it is I want to accomplish with a specific list without getting distracted.
>>94726130Planeswalkers are likely your best bet, but there's cute shit like Decimator Beetle, Contagion Engine, and Grim Poppet.
>>94725083what part of that post is roleplay?
>>94726113>Everyone develops their board slowly>One person realizes his position is losing>I cast Wrath of God/Supreme Verdict/Damnation/Blasphemous Act
Hey guys, Mark Rosewater here. R&D is stuck between two different ideas for an upcoming Bant card. I need your feedback for which idea you guys prefer.Idea 1:>During your turn, whenever one or more opponents draws one or more cards, you may draw a card.>During your turn, whenever one or more opponents puts one or more lands into play, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.Idea 2:>During your turn, whenever an opponent draws a card, investigate.>During your turn, whenever an opponent puts a land into play, create a treasure token.Warning: Every off-topic reply will push Lorwyn back another set, replacing it with another UB set.
>>94726113>Everyone develops their board and advances to a win throughout the game instead of just positioning pieces to enable a single explosive turnSo you want people to slowly win over several dozen turns? Why?
>>94726335Noobs like him are stupid. They just want to build winconless hurdle machines with 5 card synergy combos that do nothing. Their goal is to self express their creativity, and make you sit there and watch. People who run interaction or removal on any of their cards, or who attempt to win the game are "cedh tryhards" who they will whine about the next day in a plebbit thread on r/edh, supported by 8,000 updoots.
>>94726130>What are some good repeatable removal in Golgari colors that synergize with proliferate?Literally Grist.
>>94726113>every develops.....How does a win actually arise here anon?
>>94724499Are we gonna do the thing where we pretend cEDH is super diverse with thousands of viable decks and every game having a different ending?
>>94726298Why do you let Gavin boss you around?
>>94726298Maro new Commander Anthology when? Can we make Commander an affordable format again please? Print the staples again Maro
>>94726214he doesnt play
>>94726298idea 1 seems to be annoyingly overpowered
>>94726464>pretendingLast tournament I went to Zur won the whole thing. Rog si liberator and tasigur were the other part of the final table. I was at the losers table and finished 5th out of 40ish people playing against a table with elminster, that weird spinx, and godo. Sure there were some T&T, and a couple more rog si, but overall it was more diverse than you'd expect.
>>94726591that's a yes
>>94726298Idea 2, but both are garbage. You want a neat bant card for commander? Parallax wave that can also hit lands, and for each of your own cards you exile you draw a card.
>>94726607Haters gunna hate, you dont know what you're talking about.
>>94726261And the game continues>>94726335>several dozenWhy do faggots on this board always have to take a completely reasonable idea to its extreme and then get mad about their own strawman?15 or so turns is plenty. >Why?So it actually feels like a game and not an ambush.>>94726441Attrition.A back and forth of people pulling ahead, falling behind, doing a little damage here and there, then someone gets knocked out, then another then, another.It's so boring when a game goes quietly for 5 or 6 turns and then some goober plays his infinite combo enabler, or plays something that does damage equal to his number of lands or tokens or whatever doubled and you're just gone from the game without warning.It's a game with 30,000 cards or more by now. Unless you've played with the same people and the same decks half a dozen times you don't know what their wincon is, you don't know which piece of their board can't be replaced or recovered, you don't know that you need to keep a counter for this one card to prevent something degenerate happening.Like I say, it just becomes a game of ambushes. Relying on your opponents' ignorance of what you're trying to achieve and then exploding in a single turn with very little possibility of being stopped.
>>94726298>>During your turn, whenever one or more opponents draws one or more cards, you may draw a card.Not for free. Pay 2 and draw off their draw, sure.>>During your turn, whenever one or more opponents puts one or more lands into play, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.Please just reprint Land Tax into the ground.Who the fuck is playing land on their opponents turn anyway? I don't see this triggering ever.>During your turn, whenever an opponent draws a card, investigate.No I hate keyword bloat. All the detective keywords like investigate and suspect should just be axed.>During your turn, whenever an opponent puts a land into play, create a treasure token.Again, when the fuck is anyone else going to be playing a land on MY turn???If we're printing one of these, then I guess the very first one, with a cost attached to it.Now print me my Rakdos Enchantress (with the tap ability changed to destroy all enchanted creatures)
>2025>no skeleton tribal commander
>>94726674Come home, white man.
>>94726646>15 turnsKek. Just play pauper you crying faggot.
>>94726714>NOOOOO I NEEEEEED TO SHOW THAT I CAN LOOK UP THE EASILY ABUSABLE COMBOS IN AN ETERNAL FORMAT!!!! Do you have nothing else to be proud of in life?
>>94726686God I love that hotdog skeleton...
>>94726646>without warningAn overwhelming board state and an understanding that games are meant to be won isn't enough of a warning? Pretty bad takes you do you
>>94726589>>94726669>Not for free. Pay 2 and draw off their draw, sure.The way it's worded in first version is not per card drawn. It's per instance of effect that causes draw. A card like Minds Aglow would only be +1 draw. It would still be prone to loops with effects like an opponent's Consecrated Sphinx, but notably it completely rapes Rhystic Study.>Who the fuck is playing land on their opponent's turn anyway?Burgeoning, Deep Gnome Terromancer, Archaeomancer's Map, Keeper of the Accord, picrel.>Investigate should be axedYet you suggested a worse version of it. Curious.
>>94726646>I want a game with 30000 cards and none of them actually do anything so we play a gay game of attrition where 10-bombs still aren't causing value swings
>>94726797why do you have that image saved my good friend
>>94726669Investigate is from innistrad anon
>>94721923this guy got me into edh
>>94726797why is the image cropped my pal?
>Trying to build a Mono B Madness Deck>Not a lot of options for creatures>Almost no ways of ending the gameWotC sincerely need to seriously nut up and explore different ways for the colors to win games. B being nothing but Aristocrats and Life Loss is gay as fuck.
>>94722320i see you anon and appreciate your cringe
>>94726738I only play decks that win through creature combat.Run more interaction or cry more faggot.
>>94726797It's not even just the 8+ CMC cards. If that was just the game, save counterspells for those and it's gg.It's the>heh! now i attack with this card>which triggers these 4 cards>which destroys up to 3 target permanents for each opponent>which creates 6 mana of 1 color>allowing me to play this card which deals damage to you equal to XYZ>but because i have this card in my graveyard it deals twice that damage!>what's that? you didn't know my deck could do that? you didn't recognize that my board state indicated that I was about to do this? you wasted your counter 2 turns ago because I did something you thought was about to be my big play? too bad BUCKO! that's the game!!!!!!
>>94726938>Run more interaction or cry more faggot.Paint drinking IQ.Nothing but the most busted control decks has enough interaction to prevent 3 players from comboing off for multiple turns.
>>94726959>all public infoYeah it's on you for not noticing.
>>94726983Oh their decklist is public info? Their cards in hand is public info? Their strategy is public info? How silly of me. Where can I find this?
>>94726995you'd have to be pretty new to the game if you let your opponent build shitload of permanents with those effects on the table without reading them
>>94726995>decklistNo.>handNo. Thankfully 80% of the interaction you described was all permanents on board or the graveyard which is all public info. So yes you did know he'd make 6 mana and destroy 3 permanents and be able to play a card for free. You knew all that would happen and you let it happen anyways>strategyLiterally yes use your fucking brain moron
>>94726965>shits and pisses himself Uh oh. Some one made a stinky.
>>94727015>you'd have to be pretty new to the game if you let your opponent build shitload of permanents with those effects on the table without reading themCool, how they all interact with shit in hand is not known to me. And you can fuck off if you're going to pretend you know and remember what everything on the field is doing.You've never once asked >wait what is pinging me?>wait what is giving you shroud?>>94727022>Thankfully 80% of the interaction you described was all permanents on board or the graveyard which is all public info.Pro tip anon: cards may be played from hand onto the field.>>94727037High IQ post, that's how you know you're right and I'm wrong. If you were wrong you might do something silly like make a serious point.
>>94727063>pro tipYep then they sit there and you don't read them for however long and cry when they "ambush" you with their effects
>>94727063Some one made a big boy poopoo!
Should I really bother with this much ramp if the point is to try and get a wiped board asap?
>>94715719>erinis + street urchinThis sounds like a blast as long as your table isn't butthurt about losing creatures. I wish there were more cheap, repeatable removal options in the command zone. I'm this close to building pic related, as ass as it is
>>94727111That's a very small and bad ramp package.
>>94721388>Play FNM >Guy who isn't part of the usuals sits down>Says he plays "near CEDH power level">Wins turn 5/6 usually >Me and another dude decide to call it a night>Ask dude about his decks>"Yeah there's been cases where other guys leave as soon as I sit down">"I joined a CEDH tournament and got my ass whooped turn 2, so now I only play in casual pods"Is it just me or does feel this feel kind of greasy?
>>94727081You're so desperate to be right you're just going to ignore what I said. Why bother?Literally my entire point is that the game boils down to playing cards (that I can't possibly know are coming) that suddenly pull everything on the field together (in ways I could not predict) to explosively end the game in a turn.If you want to be a faggot and go>just read the cards bro!!!!!!!!when I have been very clear that the entire point is that the cards interact in unexpected ways, then just don't bother replying again.On numerous occasions I personally (and I have seen other players) let shit resolve because they don't know it's about to be used to do something degenerate, and then it's too fucking late to stop because you had to know at the time it was played that it was going to do thatYou have too. I know you have. I don't get why pretending to be some five-head Magic expert on an anonymous forum matters to you so much that you will lie and say you don't lose games to ambush plays
>>94727150Sounds like he's in an awkward middle ground of too good for casual too bad for comp.This has historically been my experience with a lot of things, namely smash bros and adjacent games where I was strong enough to beat a 1v3 with friends but couldn't compete at all in any real sense. It would be for MTG too but I play constructed for that outlet.
>>94727150Sounds like someone who probably copies top decks, but doesn't actually have the skill to properly pilot them
>>94727221>he's in an awkward middle ground of too good for casualThere's no such thing as being "too good for casual" in this game. Any retard can download a decklist and proxy all the most busted cards. You can even look up what order to fucking play them. It's practically a solved game at higher levels and that why people complain about cEDH
>innistrad remastered coming out the 24th>want it because werewolves are my favorite magic creatures>pokemon has its biggest set of the year on the 17th>can only spend my $200 on one or the otherWhen will Innistrad spoilers come out...
>>94727220>permanent on board triggers other permanents on board in unexpected waysLow iq
>Pod is casual, and large. Some times having 8 fucking people large commander games.>Everyone else, to put it kindly, are not good. >One other friend has a strong deck, and most of the games are just me and him 1v1ing and people pestering us.>Getting real tired of his attitude given he's got a 1.6k dollar deck with just the most bullshit simic cards.Is it bad form if I start running stax shit to just completely and remove him form the equation?If you can stop ETBs and activations he's deck is dead in the water, should I do it, or will it just cause discourse?
>>94727278>On numerous occasions I personally (and I have seen other players) let shit resolve because they don't know it's about to be used to do something degenerate, and then it's too fucking late to stop because you had to know at the time it was played that it was going to do that>You have too. I know you have. I don't get why pretending to be some five-head Magic expert on an anonymous forum matters to you so much that you will lie and say you don't lose games to ambush plays
>>94727277>biggest set of the year on the 17th day of the yearmakes totally sense
>>94727277Bro why the fuck are you as a grow-ass man playing Pokemon?
>>94727282If he's spent 1600 dollars on cards some counterplay is fair game, but be prepared to draw all the ire from the group. Even if they're bad someone will be convinced to krosan grip your torpor orb.
>>94727298>to krosan grip your torpor orb.None of them have or even know what that is.
>>94727305They come in precons don't they?
>>94727232No anon, your skill as a pilot makes a massive difference. Glancing at a primer is going to in no way prepare you to pilot a deck against someone with ten years experience. Half of the game or more is understanding what could be in an opponent's hand, predicting their capabilities, and playing around it. Only bads think otherwise.
>>94727130>table bitching about losing creatureslmao, it's a part of the game, if someone cries about that i'm not even playing with them again>>94727295desu, pokemon cards have way better printing quality than mtg, they are also way less expensive, too bad the gameplay is ass
>>94727310They don't play with precons. They have decks made from random assortments of cards.Me and the other friend have offered to build them better decks or suggest precons but they don't want to play with decks they didn't make themselves, even precons.
>>94727282Do it. Tuning your deck is a large portion of the game. Slap in a cursed totem and a torpor orb and try again.
>>94727318>No anon, your skill as a pilot makes a massive difference. Glancing at a primer is going to in no way prepare you to pilot a deck against someone with ten years experience.This is a cope you tell yourself to feel less like you wasted 10 years and thousands of dollarsIt wasn't a waste! You were honing a skill! You're a very talented special boy!You could program a script in an afternoon that could pilot a cEDH deck perfectly. It is nothing but conditionals.
>>94727221>>94727231He also had proxies of Ancient Tomb, Wheel of Fortune, Mana Vault, and Gemstone Caverns in many of his decks. He had the real cards, 1 of each, but he kept them only in hard plastic to show he owned the genuine ones. He also didn't mention what proxies he had until his friend made him spell out the cards he proxied.
>>94727319>desu, pokemon cards have way better printing quality than mtg, they are also way less expensive,Are you fucking collecting cardboard? And inexpensive cardboard, by your own comment, at that?>too bad the gameplay is assThat you don't even play?Man this has to be some major manchild nostalgia bullshit. I cannot fucking imagine.
>>94727329It costs more than Torpor orb, but I have a commander in mind for it already. I just wonder if i should buy cursed totem and other white control bullshit to fuck him over with.
>>94727295I am a manchild on the inside lol I still sleep with plushiesProbably why I usually don't play any MTG decks with humans in them either I hate realistic cards
>>94727351Whoops.
>>94727355>I still sleep with plushiesHow many LFB onesies you own, diapershitter? Or do you prefer ODU?
>>94727220>wahhhhh I let a thing resolve and that guy WON! This is an ambush!!Lol. Kek. Lmao even.You do know each card in a person's deck is put in there for a reason.... right? Like people cast spells because they have a calculated plan to win. It's not random. Its not hidden. It definitely isnt an ambush. Pay attention. Read your opponents cards. Expect them to play to win.
>>94727334You're just talking shit. Go win eternal weekend with your script and report back to me, champ. There is a massive amount of nuance and game knowledge required to play optimally, particularly with top end complicated decks and three opponents.
>>94727368I use ODU Otterly Adorable and Dino-Mite, but the Playtime Pals style that came out recently looks pretty good. Going to wait for a sale though because I'm really REALLY broke.But playing Magic does that to you after all heh
>>94727392>You do know each card in a person's deck is put in there for a reason.... right?Oh right, so I should just counter every spell they cast? Gotcha.
>>94727393You know people literally do top tournaments with decklists they copied online? Happens all the fucking time my guy. It's why "anti-meta" decks can exist in the first place. There wouldn't be metas if there weren't specific cards that are optimal to play and optimal ways to play them
>>94727400Knew it. I bet you were padded for Christmas.
>>94727326they sound based
>>94726507false
>>94727409>>94727334Biggest pissbabies alive
>>94727093Broccoli hair detected
>>94727326Based, don't touch my deck either
>>94727478It was more build a deck list and let them try it with proxies and go from there, but they didn't want to do that.
>>94727015People get pissy if you purposefully go out of your way to slow down the game to read all of your opponents' cards, especially now that new cards have more text than ever.I on the other hand not only do this, but when my opponent refuses to read their cards, I ask to see their cards and verbally read them out for everyone to hear and I have no problem stopping the game to do this several times a turn. There is nothing more gay than a guy squeezing out a win because noone else even knows WTF is going on.
>Local nice shop doesn't have the cards I need>Have to go to greasy neckbeard storeWish me luck.
>>94727569Ward them off with deodorant if they get too faggy.
>>94727563Honestly that's genuinely based. My playgroup has what we refer to as "The Grolnok Incident" after everyone, including the guy who made the deck, missed the part where he said "permanent", so he was one of the best commanders ever printed for a month until he caught his own mistake.
>>94727563No you don't.You spent 12 hours whing because you were to afraid to ask what cards do less than a week ago
I spent all my christmas money on two fetchlands and a teferis protection
>>94727634I spent all of my money for gifts for my (ex)girlfriend on a true dual land.Welcome to the cult of cardboard.
>>94727634Grandma only gave you a 100 then?
I want my diaperfag friend back
>>94727694?????????????
>>94727221>awkward middle ground of too good for casual too bad for comp.Wouldn't choosing to play vs casuals bee the equivalent of a pro boxer with a shitty record choosing to box vs less skilled amateurs?
>>94727707He was right here
>>94727721more like being the only blackbelt in a small town, but not good enough to compete in nationals so you can't justify moving out just for the sake of competing
>>94727643Kek. You were going to spend too much on her anyway then
>in the past month bought: Deflecting swat, Aroma's Will, Flawless Maneuver, Tefari's Protection, Dawn's Truce, Phyrexian Alter, Academy Rector, Ocelot Pride, Esper Sentinel, Trouble in Pairs, and Archangel of Thune.>My deck isn't even half finished.My balls and wallet hurt.
retards really should be made fun of more for not proxying.
>>94727952this general is pretty anti-proxy
>>94727960more retards believing something doesn't make it true.
>>94727952The only people who need making fun of are grown men caring so much about how others engage with something
>>94727952>>94727960>>94727963>>94727996Proxies break the inherent power limit of budget. Nothing keeps the power level of a table more in line that everyone having comparable amounts of disposable income. If you're playing at a table with a sweat who will pay for $40 cards it's easy to just not play with that person anymore. When the poorfag gets the idea to just proxy a $1000 deck, suddenly the table's power level limit is completely up-ended
>>94727960that shit was quite literally a proxy war, it was just about trolling for the sake of it rather than an actual stance
>>94728000Sorry, your money can't gatekeep my skill.
>>94728000Extremely retarded reasoning and likely just bait..
>>94727843I fucking hate playing white for this reason. So many of the cards that make it bearable to play are paypig cards that have somehow managed to avoid being printed into the dirt. Black is close behind it but only because every tutor worth a shit is like 50 bucks.
>>94728032None of those are needed to make white playable
>>94728009>skillYeah you're so skilled stacking a deck with all the most broken cards of the formatIf you were skilled, wouldn't you be spinning straw into gold with cheap cards?>>94728024I'm bored, I want the argument.
>>94728048No, you can play any white deck, even if its nothing but 40 basics and no costs more than 10 cents a piece. That is playable.It won't win though, and you won't have fun.
>>94728048It's not specifically those. It's just a mono white thing across the board.
>>94728054Your argument makes no sense since you have stated the issue isn't proxies, but overpowered cards. You make no sense when you are effectively stating that you would accept a rich person throwing off the balance of your table.What a person with an IQ over 60 would do is...not allow people to play absurd cards regardless of proxy or not. Doing a blanket ban over powerful cards you'd still allow anyway is just brainless.
>>94728088>Your argument makes no sense since you have stated the issue isn't proxies, but overpowered cards.Yeah yeah, you say this shit every time it comes up.1. The cards exist, there is no undoing it.2. The cards in isolation do not need to be banned. A Rhystic Study in a deck that is otherwise a 6 doesn't suddenly make it an 8. The card itself is not the problem, the problem is the amount of those cards a typical player has access to.You are in fact the brainlet for thinking the cards need banning and that banning like 100 good cards would be in any way healthy for the format.
>>94728032Yeah. All my decks are part white. This is my first time putting a lot of money and time into it. I don't know if I can do this again. Probably will buy chinese bootlegs for repeats.
in a world where wotc can ban high value cards like mana crypt on a whim the only guaranteed safe way to not get rugpulled on financial value is to proxyprove me wrong
>>94728137It wasn't WotC who banned it.They might have overturned it if it wasn't for people sending in death threats over it.
>>94728137I buy cards to play them, not to sell them. I will sell my bulk when I've got too much, and I sold a couple $30-$50 cards I cracked from packs and I regretted it and never did it again.
>>94728150same here, but i dont want my cardboard crack to be magically rendered unplayable because wotc has a cry>>94728149death threats is extreme and not good but no announcement at all then a sudden "oh 5 casual players who are traumatised by fast mana had a cry so we banned it" leaves a bad taste in your mouth
>>94728137friendly reminder magic players care many magnitudes more about secondary market than they do gameplay.
>>94728149>They might have overturned it if it wasn't for people sending in death threats over it.I can't believe anyone on this site believes in the death threat bullshit. Buddy, it was all fucking fake. No one ever saw these death threats. Death threats on the internet are never fucking credible, so there is absolutely 0 fucking reason to take them seriously. Not only that, but how the fuck do nebulous death threats interfere with the function of the committee (which was the stated reason for folding)? They hadn't even fucking done anything in 2 years, they could go back to doing nothing and wait for everyone to forget.What actually happened is that Wizards understands the secondary market. It's why the Reserve List even fucking exists. The Rules Committee only ever existed by the grace of WotC who has literally always wanted to take over and has literally always had the power to do so. When the market threw a shit-fit, WotC took over the RC by force, and they allowed them to blame these imaginary death threats so the RC didn't get additional shit for selling out.Anyone who believes the death threat explanation is a fucking moron.
>>94728170I can't believe anyone with a brain genuinely believes no one, not a person, sent any sort of threat. Actual delusional thought process.
>>94728170Retards threaten to bring guns to their lgs and shoot them up here. On this site, on this board.Do I think they would act on them?No,Do I believe anyone would send death threats over their investments going up in smoke? Yes. People are that irrational, and there's evidence of that on the archives of this general. The only one naive here is you.
>>94728176>Retards threaten to bring guns to their lgs and shoot them up here.
>>94728173Firstly, people often call any sort of "I wish you would die" comment a death threat, even though it isn't a threat.But secondly, the existence of the death threats gets you nowhere.Everyone on the internet gets death threats over literally anything. Nothing ever happens. Nothing ever has. The only time people ever bring up "muh death threats!!!!" is when they've fucked something up and they want to deflect from it.This does not make them credible.This does not make it make sense that they somehow interfere with the function of the Rules CommitteeThis is not solved by WotC taking over the Rules Committee.It makes no fucking sense as an explanation, because it isn't true.>>94728176>Retards threaten to bring guns to their lgs and shoot them up here. On this site, on this board.1. That isn't a death threat.2. They weren't serious and the fact you think they are but that they wouldn't act on it is fucking retarded.People in these threads have talked about calling the police over breaking Magic rules. They're saying retarded shit because it's fun to be retarded online. If this is news to you, get off the fucking site.>Do I believe anyone would send death threatsSee reply to >>94728173 earlier in this post
>>94728168When booster boxes average $150-200 per set while giving back $50 in singles on average, yeah, yeah we fucking do. Proxying is so cost efficient comparing to buying the actual product it's ridiculous.
>>94728192Yugioh cards cost as much or more and players don't melt down there.
>>94728191>Ok maybe it happened but it is a nothing burgerIt happened. You literally cannot prove otherwise. If you could, you would. No one is obligated to prove jack or shit to you.>le nothing ever happensdo you live in a basement?>it makes no sense that out of millions of people, one would say "I am going to come kill you"It's actually extremely likely. Far more likely than a vast conspiracy likely in your head because of some /v/ shit.
>>94728195yeah because their reprint sets aren't over $100 and all the meta shit gets powercrept out of relevancy after 2 years
>>94728202>It happened.You literally cannot prove otherwise. If you could, you would. >No one is obligated to prove jack or shit to you.Kek is this bait?>it makes no sense that out of millions of people, one would say "I am going to come kill you">It's actually extremely likely. So it is bait then? Because I already fucking addressed this here:>Firstly, people often call any sort of "I wish you would die" comment a death threat, even though it isn't a threat.>But secondly, the existence of the death threats gets you nowhere.>Everyone on the internet gets death threats over literally anything. Nothing ever happens. Nothing ever has. The only time people ever bring up "muh death threats!!!!" is when they've fucked something up and they want to deflect from it.>This does not make them credible.>This does not make it make sense that they somehow interfere with the function of the Rules Committee>This is not solved by WotC taking over the Rules Committee.>It makes no fucking sense as an explanation, because it isn't true.
So let me get this straight>the death threats totally happened!>but don't expect any evidence of them>they were definitely death threats and not expressions of a wish that they would die!>but again, no evidence just take their word for it>we decided to take these death threats seriously!>for some reason, even though in every drama on the internet ever someone has claimed to have received death threats and nothing ever fucking happens to them>these death threats interfered with the work of the Rules Committee!>even though they did literally nothing for 2 years, and in fact going back to doing nothing for a couple years would have allowed the situation to cool down and there would be no negative impact on their "work" to do so>as a result of this Wizards took over for the safety of the Rules Committee!>even though this doesn't undo the fact that the RC are still the people who made the ban ruling, and Wizards didn't reverse it or undo any of the damage- and also Wizards and its employees aren't any better equipped to protect the RC or handle "death threats" in any way the RC couldn't, and in fact has many prominent members of staff essentially acting as the face of the game who could and probably have been targeted for abuseDo people seriously not see that this doesn't add up?
>he's getting this mad at just the notion that a death threat might have happened, but yet does not have the self awareness to realize people might have gotten this angry and made said death threats.Jollyballoonmaninthecommandzone
>>94728240What the fuck does a death threat even look like? I've heard the term thrown around for a decade but I never see examples posted in general. Really feels like it's one of those things that have lost its meaning.
>>94728240Occam's razor says death threats happened.You can argue it had nothing to do with their choice, but not that it never happened
>>94728246Why do you keep going back to "the death threats probably happened therefore I win!!!" when the discussion is about the fact that death threats aren't a reasonable cause for the actions that were taken?The point is that even if you entertain the idea that the death threats happened, the response to the supposed death threats doesn't make sense, therefore there is reason to doubt their existence in the first place.>>94728265>Really feels like it's one of those things that have lost its meaning.Yes because it's so frequently overused. Anyone who gets a lot of negative attention on the internet claims to have been the victim of death threats. Often they exaggerate the comments made or deliberately misinterpret them for sympathyWhich is why it is reasonable to be sceptical from the beginning instead of being like the retard ITT who is literally saying "well they said they happened, and they probably did, so I don't need to question anything else about this narrative!"In answer to your question, I would not accept anything as a death threat unless it was directed at a person, and specific as to what they are going to do. In a lot of US state innuendos can't be considered threats, and that's why in all those crime movies they always say shit like "sleeping with the fishes" etc>>94728280>"well they said they happened, and they probably did, so I don't need to question anything else about this narrative!"
>>94722949You got any more you can share. This looks dope
Thinking about getting my Shelly altered for vanity reasons because I really like the card and am proud of having her. Problem is I've got no ideas for what to do. Any suggestions?
>>9472835614 pairs of tits, straight down the prime meridian I want that shit to look like the conveyor belt coming out of the end of the beach ball factory
>>94728280That's not how occams razor works, goober. There has to be an equal likelihood of each option being true. This is why people are arguing the likelihood of conveniently conjured and apparently on so actionable death threats versus WotC stepping in and telling the RC they were done.
>>94728156>death threats is extreme and not good but no announcement at all then a sudden "oh 5 casual players who are traumatised by fast mana had a cry so we banned it" leaves a bad taste in your mouthYeah, the death threat thing is not okay, but it at the same time is extremely funny that some people got so fed up with the retarded handholding bans they sent death threats and its the end of the rules committee.Its funny how the community they cultivated turned against them because they would not stop sending out retarded bans.If anything the entire fiasco just shows how ineffective their governing policies techniques were.At best their bans solved problems no one had but casuals who dont play commander regularly.At worst it just annoyed most of the dedicated playerbase.My personal perspective on the matter of card bans is less card bans is better because basically all dedicated EDH players recognize there are different deck power levels and will tell you before hand if they are pulling out a deck that will likely analize the table.
>>94728338Yeah I'll dump a couple of images I particularly like. Thoughtseize from my vamp deck.
>>94728338>>94728413Not retro in text, but I never liked the look of Harmonic Prodigy so here's my retro-esque coomer Nickname alt of it.
>>94728412Are you mentally handicapped?
>>94728338>>94728413>>94728423Sometimes I find art I think look fantastic and I feel the need to make a card of it (not necessarily retro), like this Soul's Attendant one for my lifegain deck.
>>94728427If I am doing a critical analysis you dont agree with and all you can come up with as a rebuttal is"Are you mentally handicapped?"Who would you suppose is mentally handicapped here?
>>94728338>>94728413>>94728423>>94728431And of course, I find myself often having to "correct" art on otherwise good cards, because I'm not going to buy into Hasbro's desperation for Larry Fink's inclusivity bux.
I'm baking new with a proper TQ
It's up>>94728464>>94728464>>94728464
>>94728400He brings up Occams Razor literally every time this discussion comes up, he's just trolling
>>94728442>a critical analysisSummaryAll of the statements provided are opinions, as they reflect personal viewpoints, use subjective language, or make generalizations without providing specific evidence. The speaker's perspective on the Rules Committee and the banning system in Commander (EDH) is evident in each of the claims, but they do not present objective facts or data to substantiate those claims.
>>94728412100% agree with your post
>>94728412The bans were just tonedeaf as fuck. Nadu happened just because other formats were doing it, and the other 3, while perfectly understandable, opened a fucking black hole of discussion about what similarly powered cards should be banned on that same reasoning, and adding that they had been recently reprinted with chase variants it's not hard to see why wotc stepped in and took control because their bottom line is at stake since power and bling is what moves packs.
>>94728077>>94728058Wrong
>>94728088>surprisingly being intelligent means agreeing with me lol isn't that curious
>>94728137The game is not an investment therefore worrying about getting value back is a misnomer and you are wrong. That was easy.
>>94728191>firstlyThis was addressed :) they clarified legitimate threats with addresses and stuff. You type so much but you're retarded lmao there was 100% absolutely real threats
