Angry machine editionPrevious Heresy: >>94716398>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics>HH1 Black Books<slash>folder<slash>hrVRQLJA#wGHrhiBVzl21Gb_Vu6U67w<slash>folder<slash>NqlCmSpI>HH2 Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>hrVRQLJA#wGHrhiBVzl21Gb_Vu6U67w<slash>folder<slash>1rki2Q6D>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)<slash>folder<slash>hrVRQLJA#wGHrhiBVzl21Gb_Vu6U67w<slash>folder<slash>Q61izSiS『Adeptus Titanicus and Legionis Imperialis』>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>hrVRQLJA#wGHrhiBVzl21Gb_Vu6U67w<slash>folder<slash>IukARSLT>Legiones Imperialis Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>hrVRQLJA#wGHrhiBVzl21Gb_Vu6U67w<slash>folder<slash>Fi9kQSwB>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html>Thread question:Do you have a favorite flavor text you've come across in any of the books?
>>94729982>Do you have a favorite flavor text you've come across in any of the books?"I was there when Horus killed the Emperor"
>>94729982One of my favourites has to be the Destroyers flavour text. Shame how the rules don't really deliver on what the text portrays.
>>94730141Yeah my concern is if GW touches them, rules will swing too far the other way and they'll be flanderized radioactive horrors. Would be nice to get a plastic kit with bolt pistols for both hands
>>94729982>The World Eaters' Techmarines made customised suits of Terminator Armour from recovered wargear for them, fashioning the suits as both armour and as confinement; mechanised prison cells that could be immobilised with a remote signal. Hung in chains in the holds of the World Eaters' warships, foaming and screaming in impotent rage, the Red Butchers were born. Unleashed first against the Loyalists during the Drop Site Massacre at Istvaan V, these damned souls, insane with murderous wrath, were loosed to careen blindly into the foe, hacking and slaughtering with savage abandon. Few survived, but the fragments of their Terminator suits, spattered with gore, were found and remade anew for fresh occupants to inhabit
>>94730173It does suck how wildly GW often over-corrects with rules changes. I think detroyers are mostly fine, and probably only need some special ammunition for their bolt pistols. Not something that makes the bolt pistols do more damage, but instead something that applies another debilitating effect, making it easier for the Destroyers to charge in and finish the job with their chainswords.
>>94730188Slaanesh is somewhere getting of to this full body cuck cage.
>favorite recaster is doing so well that they've scrapped a big portion of their catalogue into unavailability lest more orders pile atop the volume they're already buckling beneathi'm happy i got my last stuff through before encountering thissuffering from success lmfao
>>94729982>TQ"Hell is empty and all the devils are here"The Magnum Opus of the Great Dramaturge, M02Page 226 of book 7, Inferno.
>>94730596Which caster?
>>94730627wtgi blame the brief addition of the new legion thunderhawk (which can no longer be ordered as of now)
>>94730621That’s Shakespeare you illiterate fuck.
>>94730670that might be the joke
>>94730670Yes, and that's why I like it. I think the little call backs to our reality are neat
>>94730680If we're doing favourite quotes of warhammer characters that are plain stolen from historical figures, the one I always like the most is from Ahriman:>"The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance.">A Thousand Sons, Chapter One, page 8
>>94730173But anon, GW *did* release a plastic bolt pistols for both hands. Both left hands. You see, bolt pistols BY DESIGN can only be used in the left hand. To use two, Destroyers have to have their right hand replaced by - you guessed it - a left hand.That's why everything thinks they're fucking psychos. They fucking cut off their hand, anon. They cut off their fucking hand.Just so they could use a second BOLT PISTOL.A fucking bolt pistol, of all things. Not even dual plasma pistols. A bolt pistol.They're insane.
>>94730642oh fuck, I better check and see if they still have what I need
>paint a 5 man squad (eventually 10 man but only had 5 ready) >first model ends up being the best model by a long shot, once I actually know what I'm doing the rest are terriblei weephow is your hobby going, /hhg/
Just decided to get into the game. I plan on playing Emperor's Children. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding Rylanor's rules?
>>94731157Legacy legion rules PDF file, warhammer community site downloads page
>>94731053I am scratch building an airbrush booth that has ballooned in costs to more than a cheap one off amazon, but I am too deep to stop now so I will see it through.
>>94731185You're a gem.
>>94731157page 73:https://assets.warhammer-community.com/dave-s-downloads-25-09/horusheresy_legaciesoftheageofdarkness_legionesastartes_eng_24.09.23.pdfIf you're doing loyalist EC, remember to get also Saul Tarvitz and that the AoD box "praetors" are pretty much EC minis given their iconography, specially the sword dude that was 100% designed as a EC Siege Breaker
>>94731157>Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding Rylanor's rules?be less gay (and not the fun kind where you bum other men)
>>94731053Finishing touches on a pair of drop pods, and then all vehicles for my army are painted. Only 10 lernaean left to paint after that.
>>94731230Nice mini, yours?
>>94731230Thanks anon, I was able to grab the Legion Praetor on Ebay, so that's nice, but I'm definitely keeping an eye out for Saul, I like him a lot.>>94731242>be less gay ???
>>94731391nah, I just hoard images for reference
>>94731242Anon, he isn't starting Dark Angels.
Two quick questions: what is the metal rod underneath the barrel supposed to do/be, and which mark of bolter and bolt pistol would be most suitable for covert and recon operations?
>>94732016Bayonet plug.
>>94732016USB charging port
>>94732016There's no real correct answer because ultimately a bolter is not a stealth weapon, but I would say Umbra, because Umbra was rolled out alongside Corvus, and Corvus is the sneaky beaky armor.
I swore off nu scale models because I don't luke them but I got one to do a funky moritat kitbash, but holy shit this is ugly. Like I don't even want to do the accessories ugly this can just fuck off.
>>94730357one of my dearest hopes for the next edition is that they make red butchers viable in the spirit of Istvann V.
>>94732016Depends on the design. It can be a support for bayonets and other attachments, or a guide rod for a recoil spring.IRL firearms can have those too.However, it doesn't make much sense in this phobos bolt pistol.I'd say that Tigrus patterns are supposed to be the basis for 30k "stalker" bolt weapons
>>94732081the BA 30k melta pistols are fucking hugely retarded, yeahHowever, nuBeakies are great. They just need a different approach and using more decals
>>94732081What do you not like about it?
>>94732143i'd say the pistol are fine. fit with the sleeker design of sanguinius's sidearm.doing some buildings. great crusade infrastructure is cheap and you can see why
>>94732081I think at least 50% of it is because there’s something at least *slightly* off with each of the assault marine poses. For this guy specifically having one arm up to shoot might make it look a little better imo. Don’t give up on dual melta moritat, they’re beastly. I just painted up mine and killed 3 cata termies before I charged them with Dawnbreakers in its first game.
monopose is soulless
>>94732431Truth.
>>94732143I just wish there was a good alt for Disintigrator pistols for a Moritat who likes living dangerously.
>>94731053I went ahead and put basing grit on my event models that are finished, gonna let em dry in the garage because that stuff is noxious as hell
>>9473243190% of the greatest GW sculpts of all time are monopose. You’re telling me the 2e starter marine isn’t an idol of soul? What you really mean is that a lot of the stuff in the CAD era is lifeless and without any pizzaz. The idea of the new MK6 is awesome, but the poses for tacs and assaults make them awkward.
>>94732143Okay I feel a little better about it now, but still give me mkIV any day.>>94732190The chest is so thick and the head is so small the helmet gets lost. The melta pistols are stupidly tiny, especially next to a bolt pistol. I actually like the jump pack though the nozzles are too small.
>>94732513>90% of the greatest GW sculpts of all time are monoposeand 90% of the models you play with are not those characters.
>>94732524Speak for yourself negro, my 3e Tsons army is mostly monopose metal rubrics/csm and my Mantis Warriors are monoposed box tacs from various editions. If you’re just thinking about characters, you’re not really thinking.
How is it pronouncedCataphractii - Cat - a - fract - eeOrCataphractii - Cat - a - fract - eye
>>94732587Neither, it's pronounced Cataphractii.
>>94732552The rubrics that came as metal blister pack upgrade kit for the plastic box were the fucking best.
>>94732587Cat-er-fract-eye-e
>>94732587its Cat - Fract - ee
trying to recast some bits with greenstuff and the thermoplastic "blue stuff" and im getting a bit discouraged since ive probably done 3 batches so far and only have a few usable bits. does anyone have any experience with this ?
Evening all, Merry belated Christmas and Happy New Year.https://gofile.io/d/AUzVle
>>94732610Oh man those guys rock, but around me they’re so much rarer than the RT rubric. I’ve got 20 metal guys but 0 of the middlehammer upgrade guys…
>>94732522Interesting, thanks for explaining. I don't get the nu model hate desu, I think both the Iron and Corvus look fine, but I'm also a troonscale fag so what do I know? I think it would look better if the legs were maybe thicker to match the chest? That's what I looked for in my troonscale models, I wanted thick body small head, so it looks like they're wearing the armor instead of it being like a shirt or something.I like the sword and the chest pouch. Might want to do a better pilot hole next time on that slung weapon though.
>>94732587Modern pronunciation would be:⟨ii⟩ is used in many languages such as Portuguese (e.g. Semiinsinuante, Sacerdócii) and Finnish (e.g. Riikka, Niinistö, Siitala, Riikkeli), Italian (e.g. Riina), Estonian (e.g. Riik), Scots (e.g. Auld Nii, Iisay), with phonemic long vowels for /iː/.Historically, the very similar “ee-ah” (very soft on the “a”) or “ee-eh” may have been more accurate, but there’s lots of debate on Latin pronunciation by era and region. As warhammer is a British game, I’d tend towards the modern English above: a long “ee”.
>>94732626My entire 40k TS army (that I haven’t used since like 6th edition I think, maybe a game or two in 7th) is 30 of those blister upgrade guys that came with the sexy ass sorcerer with the axe. I’ll have to dig them out sometime, I think they’re actually at my buddy’s place in the bottom of a box…
>>94732621This better be that dolphin porn I keep hearing about. You have no idea how morbidly curious I am.
>>94732621SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>94732621I guess it’s time to replace the archeotech pistol on this guy. Thanks anon.
>>94732635You asked about the design which I don't like but the increased scale is part of the problem as well for the litany of complaints that's been discussed to death here
>>94732621Neat, thanks anon!
>>94732587>Cat - a - fract - ee - eyeBecause that's how it's apparently pronounced in latin.
>>94732635NTA but in super short form, the big issues are:- CAD splicing on the models resulting in weird partial models/incompatibility with old upgrade kits/difficulty for conversion work- rescaled but just to a different heroic scale without “truescale” proportions while still being visually distinct from the old style (what I’d call the “marvel movie” scale as it’s very in line with the kind of CGI used by marvel and a few other companies for fantastical humanoids)- huge departures from design concepts (MkIII) that throw out all the old lore, as well as looking (from a silhouette/geometry standpoint) extremely different at the most basic level to virtually all other (pre-primaris) imperial designs- releases focused on siege of terra era -and retcons to the fluff regarding distribution and availability of armour marks alienated a lot of older players as the old releases were primarily late crusade/early heresy- awkward posing for having non-pose-specific arms- lazy and limited upgrade kits that even further depart from established design premisesThere’s probably more that I’m not thinking of, and there’s a lot more detail and discussion to some of these, but everything is also compounded by the influx of new players and the vocal minority of them that feel the need to denounce the old models as a way of defending their new ones because they have to have the best stuff and be accepted by everyone.
>>94732772Yeah I really don't get the scale complaints, I think the increase is a pure benefit, especially when they stand next to human scale models.
>>94732886But then they stand next to a tank which was built for the old scale and it looks even smaller.
How are NL with vehicles/bikes?
>>94732941The tank, that is
>>94732950I view that as an acceptable drawback since the heroic scale minis were always too big for the tanks anyway. Also because,>tanks in 2.0
>>94732886>>94732941Your miniatures are all just playing pieces; abstractions. One mini being taller doesn't mean it's actually that much taller in-universe. Same for terrain.
>>94732949They have an entire Rite of War dedicated to Outriders as troops. Their vehicles coubt as 10 models for the +1 to wound/armor pen if outnumbing so they encourage you to take squadrons.
>>94732993yea, we know that. the discussion over scale is usually an aesthetic consideration, rarely is it ever about the actual space they take up on the board, and when it comes to gaming it’s a pretty net negative, taller/wider models “see” more but also get shot easier. It’s only really a problem if you take up a bigger footprint than the normal base size allows but that can be a problem with any model. Also you are actually just incorrect. These are models in a massed battle game not D&D figures, their actual size does matter more than simply the abstraction.
>>94733271The rules implication is irrelevant if you don't play with assholes. Beyond that, it seems like a bizarre hangup to have in a game with tiny toys pew pewing each other.
>>94733415I disagree on both points. I don’t think playing by the rules of the game you both agreed to play is assholish. Sure it’s normal and encouraged to modify the rules as they suit you but there’s nothing wrong with playing by them especially if it’s a stranger. Also when the models are so expensive and assembling and painting them is at least 1/2-1/3 of the experience, being a stickler for how they look is not a strange hang up at all, so long as you’re expressing opinions about how you want your own guys to look or if talking about other peoples models, giving constructive feedback
>>94733271>>94733415Considering like half of the players of HH are just in it to look at shiny things and don’t give a shit beyond that, I’d say the aesthetics on the table are pretty important. As someone who isn’t in that group, I also think the asthetics are importantly because they go towards the imagined scenario. From a rules standpoint I don’t think the difference in size is large enough to make any difference. If it was something like the change from the boxnaut to the primaris dreadnought it would make a bigger difference, but unless you’re measuring every millimetre on every move action, you’re already within the margin of error in the size difference.
>>94733456If the rules are that important, I assume you would refuse games against me for using my older models or conversions.
>>94733475Youre mischatacterizing what I’m saying. Rules are important but not overriding, and I said that bigger/smaller is a net neutral, your guys can hide easier but might struggle to see mine. If the general infantry were on correct bases sizes it’s zero issue, if they’re not then it’s whatever, because like I also said, the aesthetic considerations are only relevant for your own models, so even though I might think your guys look silly because they’re old sculpts, it shouldn’t matter.
>>94732886>pure benefitHow? It makes all the 12+(more if you count badab) years of FW upgrade sets and other bits look off-scaled. Lacking backwards compatibility doesn't scream pure benefit to me.
>>94733882That is also ignoring the way the new generic marks are put on the sprue. You also get less bang for your buck because the old versions of the marks had extra things like melee weapons, random bits of other equipment or whatever but that's on GW not on the bigger everything occupying more space on the sprue. They could add one or two extra sprues with that but they won't because it makes the investers sad (:c)=: They also look badly proportioned imo.
>>94733882the new stuff seems really uninspired. looks like something you would find on cults as proont slop
Nu bad old good
Just finished up my budget bin Angels Tear's. I'm pissed some of the assault cannons had a slight misprint. But I'm even more annoyed I set aside the sgt, and glued his head on the wrong body. Didn't realize till the glue was solid. Of course.My idea for the colour scheme is to do My AL colours and then varnish, sponge on some red in places and maybe do some blood drop detailing on the shoulder before the AL transfers on top.
>>94732621
>>94732123I really hope the next edition is just less of a passionless rush job.
Armor mixing!I've got 2 more pure legs for mkIV despite having a bunch of toros for it. I think I'm gonna have to pilfer some old 40k models I haven't touched in forever, I don't really want to buy a whole other box of 10 if I'm keeping 8 as spares seeing as how I'm already doing that with the mkIII. I also need to make another apothecary and forge lord oh dear oh dear.
>>94734514looks better with the putty, i’m interested to see how it looks together
>>94732868Technically it would be cat - a - fract - [glottal stop] - eye because it's highly likely the ee-eye would follow broader linguistic trends in becoming contracted over time until the initial syllable of the pair is a barely-noticeable pause in the pronunciation. But basically yeah. The one that boils my piss is people talking about "ski - tar - ee", and they always really drag out the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee as if to taunt you with how proudly wrong they are.
>>94733415What's bizarre is people who *don't* care about scale and consistency. If you care so little about your "playing pieces" why use miniatures at all? You'd be perfectly served with paper cutouts or even just various sized cylinders with the unit written on the tops. The only reason to use figures is to make the game more visually appealing, and a collection that is consistently scaled and proportioned will always be more visually appealing than a mishmash of whatever old metals, Army Men, and blobs of pocket lint you scraped together, so having a "hangup" about it is far more rational and appropriate than not caring at all.
How would you guys change Deep Strike for 3.0?
>>94734611every model has to deploy within 2" of 2 other models. No more conga line deepstrikes. Limit intercept to compensate.
>>94734611Same anon. Assault out of Deep Strike seems really powerful and Deep Strike armies seem very binary, either you avoid a disordered drop and find a way around widespread interceptor and then get a bunch of free assaults off, or you don’t do either of those things and get shot to pieces. Until I posted my question I was of the opinion that assault out of Deep Strike was a mistake and it’s too powerful but now I’ve changed my mind, it’s actually Interceptor, that’s the problem, and it always has been. It was a problem in the last edition and it’s arguably worse in 2.0 where there’s basically no conditions for it nor penalties. So I guess I’m still interested to hear your guys’ suggestions but now I don’t thing the system is as bad as I previously thought. Fuck Interceptor, fuck that Tau bullshit.>>94734653Getting rid of congas actually should be a priority.
>>94732522Yes the nu-heads are silly small brainlets. I bought some heads in the old size but I struggle to make them fit on the ass-marines due to the jump pack straps, I might have to trim them down a bit.
>>94734167>I CRY>WHEN ANGELS DESERVE TO DIIE
>>94734167If you used superglue, just put him in the freezer and the bond will weaken and you can pop the head off.
>>94733882I will play devils avocado here and say that the FW resin models has kits 1-2mm bigger than the plastics, like the kakophoni mk4 and dreadwing mk3 mogg their old plastic mk-version.
>>94729982Please help me with this. I know I've seen a quote something like:>Only a fool thinks artillery is the end-all of sieges. Once the ramparts fall and the breach is made, the bloody red work of the blade begins!>t. PerturaboI like it because some early CSM codex says IW aren't just guns. That they can be as ferocious as Sanguinius' Blood Angels or Angron's World Eaters, when called upon
>>94729982I really like the acheron and striyx's flavor text. Just some murderhobo machines instead of strutting around pretending to be honorable.
>>94734730I think that was lore from the 3.5 codex.
>>94734653>No more conga line deepstrikesConga line? Can't they just deploy 24" around the first arrival? Where's the conga?>>94734664Interceptor is fine if you can only react with up to three units, like all other reactions in the game.But if you still found that too oppressive (it's not), you could easily tie reactions (all) to a LD test.If successful, full BS. If not, snapshots. Yeah even with regular non-Heavy guns.It'd be random but fair, and Marine leadership is good enough. And if you want better odds, you attach an IC to them.But it's still a dice game, si there's no guarantee, unlike right now
>>94734768After the first unit is deployed and assuming you pass the disordered deep strike, subsequent units are deployed within 12” of the first, so it’s very easy to snake units all over the place.
I've found 4 models to sacrifice to the strip goo, including another apothecary.I really just do have these motherfuckers lying around.
>>94734336>HH 3.0>it's just an expansion to 40k
Remember that James does not make changes during an edition to improve the game but to justify the new edition.
>>94734976Don't think that will happen. GW just brought back WFB rules with Old World, deciding to then get rid of the legacy 40k rule system would be incredibly stupid, even for GW's standards.Not that I believe there will be a new edition this year. All the "proof" so far is a screenshot of some plain black on white text with the words aimed to trigger the chuds in bold. It's painfully obvious a fake.
Units should only be allowed to use the Return Fire, Intercept, and Overwatch reactions if they didn't shoot in their own shooting phase before hand. And can use only one shooting reaction during the opponent player's turn. It only makes sense, it is not like there is any reaction that allows units to do more melee attacks.
Just finished my first land speeder for my white scars. Amazed at how well the land speeder kit holds up with a bit of light work considering it’s from what? The late 90s?
>>94735144Intercept should be snap shots unless you have an augury scanner which no longer provides additional intercept.Overwatch should be snap shots.Return fire shouldn't fucking exist.Set to Defend gives the reacting unit Counter Attack.Popping smoke should be a reaction.
>>94735166Whoops accidental spoiler - have another photo
>>94735166The only time I made that kit the side panels were so warped it just straight up didn't assemble. Well done, Anon.
>>94735185You mean the doors? Yeah I’ve had to do a bit of gap filling on my other one which drove me kinda nuts
>>94735166>>94735185The land speeder actually got an updated kit at some point. Looks exactly the same, but they redesigned the part so they actually went together as they were suppose to. And included all the weapon options for all three variants, such a great kit.
>>94734691I totally forgot about that. Thanks Anon.
>>94735166late 1998 I think, the 1993-ish metal one was still on the catalog that year but it was replaced in 1999; it seems to be identical with the 3E box set land speeder sprue although it doesn't look push-fit, which feels weird>>94735247the update attaches the wings to the lower body instead of the upper bodyI think it dates to late 2008-early 2009 and probably the 5E Codex SM release, or maybe just the 5E release
>>94735262Glad I could help.
Eh T-t-t-t-hat's all folksIf you ignore the parts for 5 more nullificators I just ordered, or the 4 techmarines I want to print, or the 20 Despoilers and 20 breachers I'm looking at to maybe get me up to 5 20 man Troops squads
>>94735575Get a war hound
>>94735575That carpet looks like it's looted from the Chernobyl exclusion zone.
>>94734611Each unit with deep strike gets to come in on its own and deep strike separately even on different turns.
Doing some cleanups before I set him aside to wait for more of his brothers to be ready for their gloss coat. Suggestions for how to paint the red parts of the vex? I’m probably gonna put decals on the circle and the square in the upper left.
>>94735748That red is gorgeous, but that is one fat fuck of a print. Is that a 25mm base? Otherwise it’s also ridiculously huge.
>>94735758Thanks Anon. I got a new nicer airbrush and it’s like a dream. I’m also going for a brighter red compared to the rest of my collection and I think I’m going to slowly replace them all with these fat fucks.I am one of the faggots who was posting about troonscale earlier and I chose these prints cos I’ve always liked the chunky marines we see in the art. Painting up 40 tactical marines atm. And don’t worry they’ll go on 32mm, I just use 25mm for airbrushing cos I hate having to repaint them black after airbrushing.
>>94735748Looks more like 50mm scale, but at sure as hell isn't 28mm anymore roflmao
>>94735780I thought I was smart tilting the image. What’s the secret to phone posting?
>>94735780Why are their legs as wide as their torso? They don't look chunky, but more like some kind of fetish models dressed in power armour.
>>94735788Crop the image a little, that usually fixes it. Otherwise you gotta remove the image details data, but that's not as easy on a lot of phones.
>>94735794>fetish model dressed in power armor Yes it’s a space marine
>>94735797Maybe I'm weird but I don't jack it to my space marine miniatures. I don't even move around my xiphon interceptor whilst making plane noises
>>94735807Fucking normie
>>94735807You’re right both those things are pretty weird, weirdo.
How do you guys paint up your rewards of treachery?Base AL paint scheme, Stolen legion scheme. AL pain with previous showing through, or Home legion with AL showing through?
>>94735780If you’re the one saying that scale matters to the rules on the table, now I understand why. In all seriousness, these are too big for normal 30k gameplay, they look to literally be double the height of a normal marine.
>>94735841I said that scale was net neutral provided the bases sizes match. And no not really, in my experience they’re perfectly suited for 30k.
>>94735825Stolen legion scheme. Just think that AL marines cosplaying as a different legion is the most fun, and it is also a great way to break up the monotony of painting the same colour scheme all the time.
I should make Wolf Scouts for my 6th legion army.
>>94735944>Movement 8>Light>Move through cover>SW>Run 13" and still charge>With +1 to charge rollsSounds hilarious, you should do it.
>>94736046I might build a small army around the theme of “party like it’s 6th edition”
>>94736081Still got a box with 20 of the 13th company wulfen models that I'm not sure what to do with. Maybe make an allied detachment of unhinged SW who have gone full friendly fire or something.
>>94735166>>94735179shame about the sideways post but these look awesome, well done anon
>>94736085wulfen already were a thing even before the HH, they appear a couple times in the books (before being killed, of course)You could use them for an alternate traitor SW list or as Deathsworn without upgrades. Make sure to swap the 40k backpacks for 30k ones, please
>>94735166>>94735179neat, but...
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>>94735247>tfw only the Vengeance variant is still being sold>clashes with 30k aesthetics even harder
>>94736261>the muh Visions faggot again and his retarded shit that was never really canonyawn
>>94736178Hmmm, could maybe use them as Blackshields with the Eternity of War and Broken Helix (Aberrant) oaths. Make some truly savage deranged marines.
>>94736292>metal wulfen>broken helixThat sounds perfect, do it!
>>94736292I'd say Pride is Our Armour would be better instead of Eternity? that way you can run wulfen as vets with lightning claws
>>94736312Wulfen are only using their hands and fangs to rip people apart, that is not the same as lightning claws lol
>>94736325if genestealers can get rending claws, so can wulfen, IMOthey do kill armoured marines in the fluff with their bare hands, so LC are a reasonable proxy
>>94736332Just rending 6+ would be fine, but also being AP 3 by default and Shred is a bit too much for long finger nails.
>>94736276I think Dark angels should get both Ravenwing Knights on Bullock Pattern Jetbikes, and a 30k version of the Landspeeds vengeance.
>>94736332>>94736356chain axe is as strong as I'd go - shred and +1 strength
>>94736289>I don't like it, so it's fake and gayNext you'll say Predator Annihilators don't belong in HH.
>>94736183first time I've seen someone have a problem with the old plastic land speeders. The conversion is pretty common place and looks much better than the proteus
>>94736377There's people who think MkVI doesn't belong in Horus Heresy. Autism knows no bounds.
>>94736351>>94736360Don't be autistic. Wulfen read like they're using their claws, so LC are a reasonable proxy for them, even if there's also chainswords or bolt pistols mixed in. Easy to tell in the table, and Wulfen are supposed to be super strong and dangerous.Unless you would plan on to cut the hands of 20 OOP metal models to give them 30k melee weapons, which would be stupid as hell
>>94736386well tbf it doesn't exist in the number that its seen on the tabletop but it definitely exists
>>94736391sounds like you are unwilling to listen to others - you do you!Cool models tho
>>94736392>since RT to current fluff has existed since early HH and became widespread towards the end>"iT dIdN't ExIsT iN lArGe NuMbErS"
>>94736371A single (1) mistaken illustration in 40k Black Legion colors and iconography from a 20 year old book which uses 2nd ed. Landspeeders for all the other examples of those is a retarded gotcha argument. More so when the Imperial Armour book about SM from the same year (2004) quoted here >>94736183 clearly settled it forever.>>94736377You must be new. And it being common just shows the lack of knowledge/cheapness of the people doing it.>>94736386Those people are mostly idiots. But there's a legit argument about all legions being in MkVI doesn't make sense even by the end of the heresy, nevermind the early war.
>>94736412No it didn't. Originally it was supposed to be introduced in the mid to late HH.Then FW retconned it to MKVI prototypes/early runs being already in use by the RG and the AL at Isstvan V.Then they retconned it again as those being also used by other legions in small numbers for seekers, etcThen they moved the timeline to the late war with everybody using MkVI
>>94736398You're the one unwilling to listen. Good luck telling people that the minis with empty claws are ackshually using chainaxes, ffs
>>94736449Because those empty hands being lightning claws is sooo much more believable, lmao
>>94736442
>>94736427>2018 was 20 years ago>2007 and 2004 are the same yearwew>all legions being in MkVI doesn't make sense even by the end of the heresyEven though the lore has always said it became widespread? Now who's ignoring the lore?
>>94736183>>94736289When are you finally going to post models?
>>94736503Models are not canon.
>>94736486Your sloppy schizo collage doesn't say what you pretend, and it's missing sources like pic related
>>94736501>doesn't know that both Visions and IA vol 2 were published in 2004Visions was a concept art/series bible book that is a great source of inspiration, but taking it literally is fucking stupid when it has been contradicted/changed by all the following HH products since then.Specially an out of context, outlier illustration explicitly denied by a deliberate treadhead / armour autism book like IA> it became widespread?Not at the same time, not for all legions.
>>94736591
>>94736624>doesn't know that both Visions and IA vol 2 were published in 2004Collected Visions was published in 2007. >>94736261 is taken from Visions of Heresy from 2018. Even if the art is old, it's still being republished.
>>94736639>republishedWhich isn't the same as being valid or canon. It's called "Visions" for a reason
>>94736639>Collected Visions"Collected" being the key part. All those began as TCG illustrations. It's like pretending that the current Legions gatcha card game is legit canon too.
>>94736653And yet it still exists and in publications far beyond your lore snippet from an old book that's already been proven wrong on so many things.>>94736665I guess all art is non-canon now.
>>94736486>pre-Extermination lore: Mk6 was used by loyalists operating from Terra after rescuing it from Mars. Traitors got it during the Solar system invasion>Extermination retcon : The RG was the only legion field testing mk6 prototype runs before the HH. The AL also somehow got it.>Malevolence/Crusade retcon: MkVI prototypes were also used by all other legions in small numbers>HH2 retcon: A Mk6 variant became widespread when it was shared by the Mechanicum space internet during the early Martian civil war
>>94736729>pre-Extermination lore:RT, IA, and 7e fluff all say that once rescued from Mars, the suits and their plans were disseminated through the legions and became widespread. It wasn't somehow limited to just Terra.>Malevolence/Crusade retcon: MkVI prototypes were also used by all other legions in small numbersAnd production models were being shipped out to legions months before the Heresy.
>>94730048Ironic how it's the same person who see it both at the beginning and the end.
>>94736726Post sources or gtfo.Here's another one: the 2022 WH+ Vault edition of the 2013 Imperial Armour revised 2nd ed. saying the same.Which should be fucking obvious given that GW created explictly the Javelin and the Proteus to fill the Landspeeder role for 30k, with the 2nd ed metal kit being technically okay (since there's nothing against it like with the 3e plastic one, and that's the one actually being heavily featured in Visions)
>>94736737>once rescued from MarsOnly for loyalist operating from Terra or having been there at some point (IF, BA, WS, RG, SW, maybe shattered legions), hence being iconic for Loyalists like the text says>the suits and their plans were disseminated through the legionsOnly AFTER the traitor legions took over Mars, which happened during the Solar system invasion at the very endThis has been retconned, but it was canon until HH1.
>>94736768>GW created explictly the Javelin and the Proteus to fill the Landspeeder role for 30kThey also created a whole new Leman Russ and Baneblade so that Paul Marketing doesn't have an aneurysm.>heavily featured in VisionsSorry, anon, but your gatcha card game art is not canon.
>>94736788>Only for loyalist operating from TerraSource(s): Dude, trust me.
>>94736792>mental gymnastics to avoid admiting being wrong
>>94736805see >>94736486This time read it
>>94736834Have you?
>>94736826>this fucking mad over a piece of art
>>94736844>in particular is associated with the Defence of Terra by the LoyalistsHow it could be so if the traitors also used it massively? Nevermind mkV being the one being know as "heresy armour" and the one discouraged to use in 40k (hence used by edgy loyalists like the Carcharorons)You've never paid real attention and it shows
>hey I need 3 weapons to finish this squad, all right handed>put in an ebay order for the 3 missing weapons>get sidetracked with other projects, put them away for a while>come back and go to attach the weapons>bought 3 left handed ones by mistakeshitto ebay once more
>>94736864yeah, it's clear that you're mad about being proven wrong (again), visionsfag
>>94736898>defends to use of 2e speeders because of Visions>calls others visionfagsI'm not the one demanding people to get killed for not abiding by one line of text in an obsolete book. Do you also abide by the notion that Annihilators don't belong in HH or are you selective in the fluff you follow?
Working on ruinstorm daemons.
>>94736792I wish they would bring back the land speed storm.That shit was rad as fuck
>>94736892>in particular is associated with the Defence of Terra by the LoyalistsIt's what made it famous post-Heresy and why they kept the left pad studded despite there being no need for it. It also says the suits were disseminated and became widespread. Nothing about them being limited to just Terra.>How it could be so if the traitors also used it massively?Soviets got thousands of M4 Shermans during WW2, along with a lot of other western vehicles, but we don't really associate them with the Red Army either.>Nevermind mkV being the one being know as "heresy armour" and the one discouraged to use in 40k (hence used by edgy loyalists like the Carcharorons)Because while MkVI was already being developed as a replacement for the MkIV, MkV was specifically designed during the Heresy for the Heresy and after had no uses. Like many wartime weapons and pieces of equipment.
>>94736914>Imperial Armour books are obsolete>Visions isn't obsoletethis is why you deserve being called visionsfag, hypocrite>Annihilators A minor retcon that can be easily handwaved away by the pattern being suppressed/forgotten between 30k and M36. Nevermind the original fluff being about the Mars/Phaeton patterns, not the Deimos.If you knew anything about 30k rivet counting or treadhead stuff, you'd have mentioned the impossible Deimos Baal pred in HH2, but you're evidently a fucking casual
>>94736924A... storm speeder, you say?
>>94736966No, a land speeder storm. The scout squad transport.
>>94736963>calls a source obsolete and not canon, unless he's using it>calls people hypocrites when the logic is reversed on himEternally butt blasted nomodels.
>>94734863"Within 12" of the first" is a circle, not a line
>>94736957your WW2 comparison is worthless, it's more like you're pretending that the Germans also used Shermans since fucking Barbarrossa in massive numbers.We're talking about the Siege of Terra. MkVI couldn't become associated to the loyalists like those old sources say if the traitors were using it also at the same time. QED
>>94736978>projectionyes, you're all those things on top of being retarded
So WE can look somewhat decent as beakies, mmm
>>94736985Yet all the sources across decades say it became widespread by the end of the Heresy, including traitor forces. But lets not have that fact get in the way of a good headcanon about it being limited to just loyalists on Terra.
>>94737025kinda, but ideally we should get upscaled plastic MkIV.I worry about GW not wanting to do it for some reason
>>94737044>conveniently cutting the parts about it being associated to loyalists out of Terra>mixing pre and post HH1 sources when the argument was about the original lore before it was retconned you're so fucking dishonest and tiresome, ffs
>>94737048I hope GW stays unwilling to do a new Mk IV. Even if they don't fuck up the looks, they're gonna take out all the weapon options and do the exact same poses as Mk VI and nu Mk III have.
>>94737025>>94737048Shame about the fixed torso on the new models. MkV with MkVI greaves would make some nice WE.
>>94737058>permanently terra brained anon can't read beyond his headcanon even when it's right in front of him>was fine with pre and post HH1 sources before, but now it's a problemKeep complaining about non-existing retcons.
>>94735068I believe that there will be one becsuse it seems like they've just ablit given up supporting the current ruleset, and it fits the release cycle for other games.I don't believe anything anyone has to say about it becsuse nobody making claims has made any attempt to back it up with even the faintest hint of evidence or even cited a credible source.
>>94730173First edition HH was compatible with 5th right?I was surprised they didn't use the anti-nid rounds rules (or something similar) 40k SM had in their arsenal at that point, or the irad cleanser of the mechanicum, which as just a fleshbane flamer would probably be fine
>>947371796th. It came out in June 2012 and Betrayal came out in October 2012.
how do people make cermite as if it was worked over with an angle grinder/not painted in a LONG time, without it looking as if you just slaped paint on the model?Because my "attempt" at it did not go well, or even acceptable.
>>94730173I don't know how they thought 'yeah like dudes with dual pistols' fits the concept of 'dudes using prescribed weapons to salt the earth with radioactive/toxic weapons' and no, a single phospex bomb and a shit missile launcher doesn't cut it.It just be a unit with the toxin flamers, radphages, etc
>>94737264>What is the colour of ceramiteYou do not know what you ask, anon.
>>94737264You mean something like this?
>>94730794A lot of effort in this post but it just isn't funny, at all.Here is a pity (You)
>>94732941The tanks have always been stupidly, hilariously out of scale.10 marines have never been able to fit in a rhino.
>>94737283>>94737286yeah, something like the second anon posted.. my stuff ended up. well from 4m away it is okey. but only from 4m away.
>>94733415> just don't follow the rulesLmao. GW made this shit system you choose to wallow in if you don't actually like it or follow it then why not fuck off to OPR or whatever. Why play HH at all
>>94734167Why are they all looking at the ground
>>94737324
>>94736261>black armour>same logo without a couple of arrows Is HH-era black legion is canon too?
>>94737312Mean this in the nicest way possible, but unsure if your an experienced enough painter to do something like what you want to achieve.
>>94737341
>>94737368Different markings, those guys are sporting almost 1:1 40k iconography. The 30k version of the eye of horus doesn't even have the arrows.
>>94737351okey. I will just leave them. Probably would just make them look worse. I was looking for something close to "grim dark". I know I can't do the smooth clean stuff, and I really tried it hard. Well at least it is painted. On to the next squad.
>>94737312
>>94737377For context this is the 30k one.
Skills of painting aside. What colour is unpainted cermite? Is it like metalic or blackish?
>>94737396
>>94737341Doesn't have to be SoH necessarily. The Eye of the Serpent was adopted by traitors during the Heresy as a counter to the increased use of the Imperialis by loyalist forces.
>>94737396Look up the hh knights errants, they are supposed to be painted in that. So are DG but they are white armoured and the common belief is that the white is some sort of protective agent.
>>94737396Fuck if anyone knows. DG, GK, IW and Knight-Errants are said to be in bare ceramite. So somewhere between silver metal to white. It also used to be that Crusade era armour was made of plasteel while later Codex armour was ceramite (would explain what the new armour material used on the MkIV and VI+ suits was compared to MkII, III and V), though lately some fluff makes old armour marks out of ceramite as well.
>>94737404Do we have any example of that specific eye with 6 arrows in 30k outside of visions (which I'm a big fan of)? At this point I'm very curious to see when it became a thing in-setting.
>>94737438There's this old piece, though most of those eyes got 8 arrows. The banner has 6.
>>94737457No, wait, it has 7. I couldn't make out the bottom one.
>>94737457>>94737465That's blades of the traitor, my favourite piece of warhammer art. I think it gets cut up in the tcg but I'm not sure if it existed before it. Behind the SoH you can see the old epic titans, the beetleback one even has the metal khorne skull head.
>>94737396The old meme is flat gray, polishes silver, oxidizes white
Legion vexillas should be required to turn a unit into a denial unit.
>>94736486yeah and now nu lore wants to push mk7 as well with the mars book
Painting solar auxilia in Ligma is a fucking joke. So many small details that have been distorted due to the plastic moulds limitations. Fuck, it's going to be rough.
>>94737898They already did with the 2.0 rulebook. Aquilachads rejoice, your day will come and the infidels will be proven wrong!
>>94737457>>94737497Funny how the Red Angel was invented and featured in this out of nowhere, so then they had to put him in the first BA novel, Fear To Tread, to explain his origin
>>94738004>to explain his origin
Sometimes I forget about how shitty contekar are, but then I look at their datasheet. I don't know what's funnier, the volkite cavitor or the chainblade.
>>94738064ADB apparently didn't know that Ridley Scott already fucked up BR with his special edition changes.The problem with the Red Angel in the HH was not explaining his origin, but forgetting to explain what the fuck happens to him. He dissapears after Vengeful Spirit and has never been mentioned again.
>>94737415>>94737430>>94737403>>94737521thanks.
>>94737396Bare Ceramite is the color of plastic, white metal, and resin. That's the joke.But also >>94737521
>>94730670it's the Tempest, it's barely Shakespeare
>>94738092Far from the only character that happens to. There seems to be a hard point somewhere in the novel series where a lot of pre-established characters just vanished from the story, and a huge influx of new OC's came in.
>>94737898>>94737941You two are aware that Mk VII being developed and first used during the Siege of Terra has always been in the lore, right?
>>94736984If one model from a subsequent unit is within 12” of another model from the first unit, the subsequent unit is within 12” of the first. So the first unit can be strung out in a daisy chain, then subsequent models can do the same. It does not specify that subsequent units must be wholly within 12”, which would probably fix things, or at least help.
>>94738092In Storm of Iron one of the characters just zaps out of the story without any real explanation.
>>94738166Explains why on the models painted by guys, who are good at painting, some parts were white/grey. Was there ever a lore explanation why marines paint their armour? Besides parade or ritual purpose. Like Raven Legion colours make sense for dudes attacking at night, but who knows what Imperial Fists were thinking painting their stuff yellow. unless they fight like in desert all the time.
>>94738413No "besides". Marines were always obssesed with pageantry and heraldry even before meeting their primarchs, which also loved it.They're just huge flashy pimps. Even the RG, yes
>>94738227Not in /my30k/.
>>94738262What? It's within 12" of the unit that arrived first, not 12" from the unit that was deployed before this one.It is true that it is within 12 instead of WHOLY WITHIN 12, which means you only need one model inside the original 12" radius to be valid. But it is a radius. That is, a circle.
>>94738413Same reason knights from history used to paint their armour and wear cloth over it with heraldry. Pride, recognition, ritual and tradition, but intimidation is also a factor. A bunch of dudes storming a position through incoming attacks, dressed in bright colours, making no effort to go unseen, that conveys quite a lot of confidence.
>>94738575>I reject reality, and substitute it with my own
>>94737281Bolt pistols just aren't war crime weapons. They could be if they were Rad phage (1), *and* Rad Phage was modified to affect the entire unit. Because as it currently is, it can only affect a single model that has suffered an unsaved wound but not yet died. Meaning not marines, and never more than a single Veteran.That's a war crime
i think they're neat
>>94738660>Congrats, you get to die a brave man?I assume battlefield recognition was a very important thing? Must be useful to know all your dudes have a Cross and the other guns have a Moon and such.>>94738413Many marines wear colour because it's hard to not see them anyways, as their Shock Assault tactics means they are already in your face.Raven Guard colours help from range and during the approach, but with Jump Packs, Drop Pods and Teleport, the "approach" phase can be reduced or skipped altogether. Camouflage does not work in melee, so if is less of a need.The later Codex Asstartes says "they Tactical marine SHALL ATTRACT the enemy's fire, so that his Devastator brothers may strike from a position if advantage".Thus it's not wild that the Principia Belicosa has a passage exhorting marines to attract the enemy's attention, so long their frailer mortal allies are spared of the worst and can better contribute to victory.It is a lesson the RG, for all their stealth, does not care for, as they have either used their mortals as bait (Perfect Fortress), or abandoned them altogether (Exemplary Battles)
>>94736292Or the SW Despoilers Inductii option- must charge everything they can, bolt pistols and chainswords like the old metal wulfen
a few destroyers donetoo much oxide and a few other issues, but they're done at least, and people seem to like them5 more tbd
>>94738759there are two differences between hells anvil and the perfect fortress anon. Firstly there there were no Luna Wolves watching the mortal allies getting overrun and secondly Corax lead the assualt instead of a Terran vet. In both cases the mortal attachment was left to fend for themselves despite tacking horrific causalities and the RG only attacked after the enemy force left their defensive positions in an attempt to rout the army units who were in retreat from said losses.
>>94738754Cute!
>>94738675It's the only way to enjoy HH.
>>94738816>too much oxideThey looks like they were chugging teal paint before battle.
>>94738884yeah, it's a learning experience to figure new paints and methods out. oxide is not an easy paint to get the right transparency and pattern with. hoping the second half of the squad goes more smoothly.either way, it's five models closer to finished
>>94738816Nice space wolves! They even have the rust marks from their alcoholism.
>>94738896i think the left most guy has the appropriate amount of patina
>>94738935no worries, they have the liver astartes
>>94738816Love em
>>94738848Not Hell's Anvil. The Carinae Retribution. Corax pulled the legion from the fighting in order to look for the Arch-Comptroller that fled. Without the RG, the imperial army was unable to consolidate the assault (it was ZM) and the conflict ended up dragging unnecessarily for months and costed thousands of lives
>>94738943yeah, out of the five he worked out best and will be the model for future... well, models. but I have some other squads to work through that I need for a game late in the month so these guys are going on the waiting shelf for now.>>94738935i did make a comment while painting them that i had accidentally gotten a great space wolves scheme before doing the rust and patina. filed it away mentally in case i ever do a gift model or something.>>94738981thank you
>>94739038saw the accidental SW scheme post lmaoAnyone have a m3ga or gfile for the 7th ed rulebooks?
>>94738896I think the best is to start with just a hint and keep adding tiny layers until they look appropriate. Sometimes less is more. Focus on gaps and seams. The edge off the collar, trim on the pads, etc. Maybe add some shiny parts on the parts sticking out, places that'd see wear to wipe away any oxidation and patina.
>>94739197The only time I ever got it to look right was when I drybrushed it after.I don't have a pic but trust me it looks good my dad works at nintendo
Just curious, I recently bought into the game and I've been having a blast, but what's with all the "heresy is dead" posts I'm seeing about the place? Is there just not much in the pipeline?
>>94739274>"heresy is dead"They're retarded
>>94739274Dunno about anyone else but around me barely anyone plays. It's easier to get a game of LIgma.
>>94739297>LIgmahue hue hue
>>94739274They've been saying that since the first HH1.
loyalist traitors forces are a cliche but what about traitors-who-follow-different-gods-than-their-legion?>Khornate emperors children >Tzeench alpha legion >Slanessh death guard >Nurgle night lords
>>94739373They don't really fit HH's theme.
>>94739274I thought the game was dead around here too but apparently it's just in the mountains with us hill billies, I'm looking into moving in the spring and I was looking for lgses and the first two I looked at it within 10 minutes both had decent HH groups. Hell in one of them the 40k group was even decent, they've been running a big narrative campaign for the past 2 years apparently.
Think I'm mostly done on Horus, going to work on the base
>>94739395I think it looks good except for the red "osl"
>>94739373I mean you could, nothing explicitly stating that it couldn't happen.
>>94739395He looks like a red spotlight is blinding him while he's on the dance floor.
>>94739398What about it? Just poorly done or too much or something? Already redid the face once, think if I tried to redo it again I'd just fuck up the details so I'm stuck with it
>>94739411Just poorly done. It just looks like a lot of red, it doesn't have any of the gradations you find with light playing across a surface. Here's an example of doing it right > https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ficvq0iv4s8ca1.jpg
>>94739373Cegorach Night Lords.
>>94739430>we live in an imperium
>>94739430He wrote someone different, these guys are already clowns.
>>94739421>that broken worldcracker next to that painstaking paintjobBig oof
>>94739458Biggest off, maybe even an ouch.
Thinking of 20 Seekers to help me clear the way for 25 deep striking Terminators, sniping out sergeants and augury scanners. Think it could work, or should I just invest those 380 points into more Terminators for the drop.
>>94739545Go for it. Seekers are cool.Give them a pimped out rhino with camo nets and ammo stowage.
>>94739421Tried to fix it and I think I just made things words. Gonna redo all the areas around the head, do orange inside the headspace and glaze into red just as round it
>>94739637
>>947359443k space wolves "Party like it's 7th ed" list-HQ-Praetor, Cataphractii [165Pts] - TH, Grenade Harness, JarlCenturion, Cataphractii [165Pts] - TH, swap maul for LCCenturion [95Pts] - Master of Signals-Elite-Castra Ferrum Dreadnought [165Pts] - Power fist, Chainfist, 2x meltagunVaragyr Wolf Guard Terminator Squad [560Pts] - 5x TH/FC, 4x FA/FC, VexillaApothecarion Detachment [135Pts] - 3x-Troops-Grey Stalker Pack [195Pts] - Bolters, 2xPlasma, AA+MBGrey Stalker Pack [195Pts] - Bolters, 2xPlasma, AA+MBGrey Stalker Pack [195Pts] - Bolters, 2xPlasma, AA+MBScout Squad [90Pts] - Shotguns, MeltabombsScout Squad [115Pts] - Nemesis bolters-Fast Attack-Storm Eagle Gunship [255Pts] - Multi-Melta, lascannons-Heavy Support-Heavy Support Squad [250Pts] - 9x, LascannonsPredator Squadron [420Pts] - 3x, Magna-Melta cannon, LascannonsI checked, the Storm Eagle was in 7th thanks to the imperial armor books. Master of Signals with the HSS to replicate how the Long Fang leader could not take a heavy weapon in 7th. Grey Stalkers outfitted like Grey Hunters, I checked the rules for Wolf Guard terminators and they could conceivably be outfitted with dual melee weapons (though the plastic kit is terrible at doing so). Boxnaught will be modeled as the Axe+Shield from the SW boxnaught kit.
>>94739646What you want to do is get rid of the red outside of the armor's head cavity, as that implies the source of like is external to the armor. Then the most forward part of the head would be flesh tone since the light is coming from up underneath it.The way it looks now is like someone is shining a light on him.
>>94738620>What? It's within 12" of the unit that arrived first, not 12" from the unit that was deployed before this one.Yes, I wrote "the first unit" and "subsequent units." When you can deploy the first unit all strung out and then any subsequent units also strung out but with one model within 12" of the first, they can cover a lot of ground. Sure it's not each unit leap frogging off itself, but if you drop with a big unit first, say 20 assault marines, you can basically touch both deployment zones with how far out they spread, which we both recognize, so I'm not sure why you're confused about people calling that a conga line.
>>94739681Less scouts involved here than I thought.What is the significance of "party like it's 7th ed"?
>>94739731>Sure it's not each unit leap frogging off itself, but if you drop with a big unit first, say 20 assault marines, you can basically touch both deployment zones with how far out they spreadOk that is a good point that I didn't see before, and I thank you for your patience in explaining it to me.What if it was within 12" of the first *model* deployed? Harder to conga-line that, I'd hope
>>94739777The other issue with the conga line is defeating the purpose of the scatter. Even a 5 man unit can stretch 10" plus the last dude's base length so you just line up until your last model is a 3" charge away from whatever you want.
>>94738413>but who knows what Imperial Fists were thinking painting their stuff yellow. unless they fight like in desert all the time.Per Rogal Dorn, camouflage is the color of cowardice.
>>94739988Is that why they lost at the Iron Cage? Because the Iron Warriors had a natural advantage?
>>94739584nta but why shouldn't I have 20 seekers in 2 land raiders?
>>94740094Because rhinos have more accesible interiors for decoration.
>>94739988>dorn was a mental defective with no concept of warfaredamn, no wonder his sons get driven to near extinction every 15 minutes.
>>94739686This anon is 100% correct.I really hope the painter can save that the rest looked pretty good
>>94740199To be fair, the Blood Angels once lost a shitload of their chapter to a single fucking Space Hulk
>>94740805Yeah but that was lore for a good ass game, a little different
>>94729923most popular makers tend to have decent proportions, at least for the nu scale stuff, most of their bits are meant to be used in nuMK VI and nuMK III.
Making a 5 man Rotor cannon team for my Sons of Horus Black Reaving list. Basically a unit to try pin opponents for my Despoliers, and a place for my Master of Signals to sit in.First time building an army for Heresy so I'm unsure about specifics, should I be giving them wargear? A legion Vexillar or chainswords for the unit? (Nuncio and Augary Scanner would of course be covered by the MoS)
>>94741168If the Master of Signals is with them, they don't need a vox or auspex. Vexilla isn't necessary for them either. It can help them in the event that they fall back, but half the benefit of the vexilla is in close combat, which these guys should avoid at all costs. Don't think they can take chainswords, but they definitely shouldn't take them if they can. I would keep the Master of Signal barebones too, and artificer armor on the sergeant is the only upgrade I would really consider for the unit.Are these yours? They look nice.
>>94741168I wouldn't bother, 5 man is too small for them to tip an assault and they're going to mostly be serving as ablative wounds for the MoS
Which legion is best for jetbikes? I really wanna spam dickheads who zoom around spraying volkite, plasma and melta. White scars would be the most obvious fit but the fact that the command squad can't take shamshir jetbikes is killer. Salamanders seem dumb and fun since everyone can take a dragon's breath flamer on their bike.
Wip ruinstorm sovereign. Sorry can't take a good photo to save my life. Not set on the face yet. Feel like it would he better being a more serene face or something like a death mask.
WIPPausing my army painting to push a two squads to completion, mostly to check if I'm getting the brightness of the white armour correct. I went too grey with my early test models and the oil paints darkened things down even further, more than I anticipated, so for this batch I'm pushing the brightness up a notch.My edge highlighting really sucks, I'm shaky as hell, but I'm liking the look of this whole "battle damage = edge highlighting" trend.Lots still to do: blacking out weapons, blue ink spray for the shoulder pads & backpacks, varnish & oil paints, decals, blue chipping, more varnish, metals, blood, dust, basing & everything else.
>>94741749This made me realize I could use my old metal Great Unclean One as a ruinstorm daemon. Would it be big enough for a Sovereign or would it be a Hierarch?
>>94741225TSS can take chainswords at 5pts each; Black Reaving would give these guys Rage (2) as long as they're charging a single unit that's been charged in the same turn or is already locked in combat, and likewise them charging/surviving a turn after being charged gives Rage (2) to any dedicated melee SOH that come after themMoS is compulsory for Black Reaving so has to go somewhere, but has extremely limited shooting and melee options so doesn't gain from being in a front-line unit in the early turnshowever since rotor cannons are Assault and mid-ranged, it leaves them a little flexibility about charging to push Rage (2) onto Justaerins or Reavers nearby>>94741168Pinning is probably worth it for units that Despoilers can reasonably engage; most Legion squads are going to fail a Shell Shock (1) Pinning test 2/5 of the time so you'll get a couple of chancesconsider shadowing Despoilers closely to bait the other guy into letting you use Death Dealers on him, you may be able to Pin his unit at the end of the Reaction and prevent them charging the Despoilers, but either way you'll still have the TSS and anything else nearby to give Rage (2) to
>>94741168CORK
>>94741681Dark Angels is the best legion for bikes, Ravenwing gives them re-rolls for shrouded saves. Very nice boost to survivability.Biggest thing WS has for bikes is that ROW that gives them Line, but bikes that have to stay in one place to score VP tend to die real fast.
>>94741886These look absolutely beautiful so far Anon. Eagerly awaiting the next steps
>>94741893How did you get a picture of my mom
>>94736915Fellow ruinstorm player...Reminds me I need to buy troops for mine. Shiiiiit.
>>94742347>>94742347>>94742347New bread so I can shitpost when I wake up
If I'm playing the Dark Angels Dreadwing Rite of War, and I'm playing against someone playing a Death Guard army with the Creeping Death Rite of War, does everything on the board outside of a deployment zone count as Dangerous Terrain? The Dark Angels Rite of War turns it into Difficult Terrain, then the Deathguard Rite of War turns all Area Terrain into Dangerous Terrain
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