How do you feel about Cadia being destroyed but now due to the new rules and codex, Cadianw being the main and most populated Guard regiment in the galaxy?
>>94783263I ignore all that since it happened after I dropped 40k.
>>94783263>new rules and codexI feel nothing.It was always silly that a perpetual warzone was a net exporter of troops.
It's whatever. They're just wearing flak armor which seems to be standard issue in the Imperium and if you want to fluff them as another regiment you can, or even just headswap them for extra spice.
>>94783263I just chalk it up to a particularly efficient evacuation and a strong sense of planetary identity among the diasporae, bolstered by imperial propaganda.
>>94783348To be fair the whole reason the Black Crusades were a big thing was because Cadia was a huge strongpoint that usually wasn't at risk
>>94783527Plus most worlds use the same gear as them due to how easy it is to produce.
>>94783263If you want to be really dark about it, the fact their civilian industry was destroyed means that their regiment is all they have left.Wouldn't they have a nuCadia by now?
>>94783263apparently must have fallen to Slanesh
>>94783263Can someone fill me in on what OP is talking about?
I don't know, but OP sounds like an Antisemite.
>he is still playing 40k after 7th editionngmi
>>94784869in the new codex they removed generic infantry squad and command squad options, instead there are now only cadian, krieg and catachan specific units. GW basically told everyone to just fuck off and proxy their vostroyans or tallarn or whatever as cadians or krieg rules which is making a lot of people pissed. It's the exact same thing that happened at the start of the 10th when GW announced subfactions would be replaced by generic detachments
>>94784933>only cadian, krieg and catachan specific unitsAre you fucking joking? What about Steel Legion?
>>94783263Imagin caring about 40k "lore"'
>>94784947nope they don't sell those anymore so no rules for you, you just gotta play the generic mechanized guard detachment rules and use your steel legion troopers as krieg infantry squads now
Remember when GW cared about people making their own armies and creating their own regiments?
>>94784988lad that was like 20 years ago, nu-hammer has been the norm for so long that majority of the playerbase and hobbyists have no fucking clue what warhammer was like before 8th edition. A lot of the posts online are actually hating on the new guard changes from the perspective of how they were in 9th that had a few named subfaction, rather than 3rd or 4th with the build your own doctrines system
>>94784933>catachanWhy add Catachan as a "major" regiment? They haven't gotten new units in like 10 years.
>>94784933Sounds like people enjoy being pissed over literally nothing. There hasn't been bespoke rules for tallarn squads for a looong time.>oh noes, the datasheet says "cadian", this is the end for my vostroyans noooooo
>>94784988They literally give you several different detachments and three different rules for your infantry so you can build whatever combo you feel fits yourdudes the best.People who pretend that this is somehow a downgrade of the previous or previous-previous codex must be clinically retarded.
>>94784988Chapterhouse buckbroke all desire for creativity out of GW.
>>94785048Does it actually say "Cadian" or is it like 10th edition space marines where the detachments are generic and aimed around play styles instead of specific factions?
>>94785048>here's my infantry squad>here's my command squadvs>here's my vostroyan infantry squad that im using the cadian shock troops rules for>here's my vostroyan heavy weapons unit that im using the catachan heavy weapon team rules for>here's my vostroyan command using the krieg command retinue rulesthat shit is just gay man, it makes your army feel less authentic in the game
>>94785082Ok, so the problem is there are too many options now?Just don't play your army that way if you don't like it.
>>94785078The unit is named Cadian. It's the name, not their keyword. The detachments are not named after regiments, they have "generic" names, since you are supposed to pick the one you feel represent your regiment the best.
>>94785078the detachments are generic like space marines, the units are not. There's no generic infantry squad anymore, you have to play cadian, catachan or krieg named ones. Same for command squads and heavy weapon squads.It's like if one were playing space marines and all the generic infantry options were replaced with ultramarines intercessor, blood angels assault intercessor, dark angels heavy intercessor, space wolves tactical squad, etc. Like what the fuck is that? You can proxy other chapters as them sure but you shouldn't have to, they should be generic names.
>>94785115Literally the only thing you have to do is pretend that the datasheet called "Cadian Shock Troops" is simply called "Shock Troops". That's it.The datasheets simply have the same names as the boxed sets. There is no boxed set called "infantry squad".
>>94785082GW isn't going to send a hit squad after you if you call cadian shock troops and infantry squads anon. All you're mad about is a name change that you aren't even required to engage with.
>Anything after 2017Discarded
>>94785151except you can't just say "infantry squad" at the table, because that's not a unit in the rules. You can't place an entire marine army on the table and just say "here's 6 infantry squads" when they're tactical squads, devastators, intercessors, etc. that all have different rules. The same goes for this, you will have to tell your opponent that you're playing them as krieg or cadia which while sounding like a minor gripe is a big annoyance to a lot of people who are passionate about their favorite regiments
>>94785167>"What are you playing tonight?">"I'm playing Guard.A all my infantry squads use the Cadian Shock Troops rules, by the way.">"Ok, cool."
>>94785074This.I hate the cadia wank so much it's unreal. You have a whole galaxy of planets and every mention of the guard comes back to a dead planet? It's worse than the marvel tier primarch shit.
>if you just pretend this problem isn't real, it's not actually a problem!It's shit, and it's indicative of how shit GW has become.
>>94785240>If you pretend that this completely irrelevant thing is actually a problem, then it is a problem!And I thought people would whine about losing their free heavy weapon.
>>94785038they're getting a kill team this year and a full range refresh next yearsource: this was revealed to me in a dream
>>94785256It's the will of the Emperor. Jungle terrain for Kill Team would be so kewl.
>>94785253That's shit too. But if I pretend no one uses heavy weapons, wow! You're whining over nothing, retard!
Has GW lost their heart for tabletop gaming?
>>94783263you missed the general
>>94785074While I'm sure that's one of the reasons, that doesn't explain why Horus Heresy still has lots of customization for units.
>it's not that big of a deal!It's not, but it's also yet another change in an extremely long ling of poor changes made purely for themselves and not for the sake of the players or the game.
>>94783348thisIn my mind the 122th cadian regiment after liberating Voguen, they colonized it, reproduced like rabbits and that world its now a wasp nest where they export cadians to other regiments. Perhaps other cadian regiments did the same?
So what I'm gathering from this thread is that Cadians are the Ultramarines of the Astra Militarum: all the little guardsmen and pdf troopers want to be Cadians deep down and consider whomever is the highest ranking Cadian officer as their spiritual liege.Honestly I almost feel bad for guard players but then I remember how obnoxious a vocal subsection of them are and I can't bring myself to.
>GW actively encouraging players to use any minis they like with any combination of datasheets and detachments they prefer.>"This ruins creativity"Some anons are just addicted to bitching and will make up any excuse.Meanwhile the box quickly is sold out.GW winsGuard players winWhiners winatk2h
>>94786724This, plus there were plenty of Cadian regiments that didn't make it back in time before Cadia went boom. Plus some of the survivors established New Cadia near the old one.
>>94786806That's what this codex just basically did.
>>94783263In the lore its always been that guard after a successfull campaign the guard regiments settle on the planets they conquer and cadia were such good soldiers that their regiments spread far and wide and began producing their own gear and regiments leading to a snowball effect causing a significant portion of guard forces to either be descended from cadia or adopt cadia style gear because lots of other planets were using it.
>>94785167>except you can't just say "infantry squad" at the table, because that's not a unit in the rules.Confirmed nogames. Literally no one gives a shit what you call your own units, most people don't even know the unit names for armies that they don't own in the first place.
>>94785269Anon you didn't even know about it until that anon brought it up.
>>94786806>So what I'm gathering from this thread is that Cadians are the Ultramarines of the Astra MilitarumThis isn't new
>>94783263Please provide a minimum 50k word essay explaining how a planet of 850 million (the population of Earth in 1801) is able to supply billions of guardsmen to battlefronts across the galaxy, keeping in mind that menial labor is done by regular people and automation is minimal.
>>94784933The Warhammer Community article explicitly says you can run your Tallarns/Valhallans/Mordians/whatever as one of the three data sheets.>>94783263>cadia being destroyed>>94785234>dead planetCadia stands. It's a bunch of orbital fortresses constructed from the fragments of the destroyed planet, now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhmM26me-6Q
>>94784933I think it's kinda gay but its whatever. I'll live. Gonna do /mydudes/ and probably run them like Cadians.
>>94787365Fair enough. It feels like from the way some anons are seething and coping that it is new.
>>94787952Painting minis and finding friends to play with can sometimes take alot of effort and time.Whining makes people feel smart for no effort at all. This time the whining is even more delusional than normal since GW has actually increased the options players have for customizing their regiments.
>>94783263In a stifling bureaucracy like the IoM, being well-regarded is the easiest way to thrive. I can imagine Cadians getting poster boy treatment when it comes to recruiting worlds.
>>94784947I just read about it today, they are all gone. You get 3 flavors and thats it and one doesnt even have a box set that im aware of.
>>94785038The sole reason for that is because they still make the plastic kit. One of the big points Games Workshop lost on in the Chapterhouse litigation, is that anyone can make plastic of things they describe, but don't have models for. The suits in Nottingham spazzed out and totally excised from the game anything they weren't making kits of, because they are violently allergic to anyone touching their IP but them. The latest removals are just them announcing that they've decided they aren't making those regiments for the foreseeable future.If they don't get to rip you off in plastic, then you don't get to play them. No Elysians, no Tallarns, no Steel Legion, no nothing. You buy from GW or nobody else. Due to the way they've moved to monopose models, they aren't able to even put out a rare conversion sprue to keep those units fenced off legally.
>>94789725This is also the reason why they change unit stats to only what you get in the boxes. If they say that a unit can have an extra something they don't put in the box, then another company would be able to legally make a bit for it. That's apocalyptically bad to GW.
>>94789500So, you live in an alternate universe where there were special datasheets for Tallarns/Vostroyans/Mordians in earlier editions? And in this alternate universe that you live in there are no Catachans on sale or what?
GW knew people would try to spread disinformation and say dumb shit so they even posted this on their website. They shouldn't even need to explain this stuff to folks but since you are all so fucking stupid and don't know how the hobby is supposed to work here we are. They literally tell you to view these three regiments as representatives of "archetypes".
>>94783263>How do you feel about Cadia being destroyed but now due to the new rules and codex, Cadianw being the main and most populated Guard regiment in the galaxy?The same way I've always felt about anything in 40k ever making any sense.
>>94783263i dont really care about lore in tabletop wargames it doesnt really matter to me at all
Is GW starting to become a bad company?
>>94790434starting?
>>94790434GW has been considered bad and horrible and stupid and overpriced since the first discussions about warhammer happened on internet message boards back in the 1990s.
>>94783263GW retardism. My head canon never advanced past the 13th black crusade tho
>>94784933Does it matter how they call the codex entries? For all I care they could make it squad type A B and C with different rules, and depending on what I want to play, my guard squad on the table (no matter how it looks like) will use the rules for A or B or C.
>>94785123This. Anon here>>94785115 might be a bit autistic.
>>94789847They know their audience.
>>94792296That's exactly how you are intended to use the codex.But the crybabbies need something to squel about and they agreed on this I guess.
>>94783263I don't feel much. But for Cadians being the main and most populated guard regiment, I'm not sure. I find that GW probably made a lot of lore reasons why "Cadians" are everywhere now, but I feel that's only justification for appeasing the marketing boys for why they don't have to make modular plastic kits so hobbyists can engage in yourdudery beyond just paintjobs.
When did GW stop caring about the soul of the game? You could use any army, paint them your way and kitbash.
>>94797765Does it actually say somewhere in the lore that Cadians are the most populous? Or are anons just trying to stir up shit about the fact that now only Cadians, Krieg, and Catachans have rules
>>94799052I wouldn't say most populous.If I recall correctly the Cadians after Cadia blew up started running around the galaxy trying to keep their martial traditions alive by mass recruitment and grueling training.>Or are anons just trying to stir up shit about the fact that only Cadians, Krieg, and Catachans have rules.Honestly this too.
>>94798845>When did GW stop caring about the soul of the game?Which year did WHFB release? That was the year.
>>94801792They try to do that, and it would be reasonable. Cadia serves as inspiration for guard regiments for sure.It would be interesting if any of the better BL writers would pick this topic up, showing a cadian regiment that is fighting against the increasing difficulties of original cadians dying off, and new recruits being treated as 2nd class cadians and their traditions being alien to them, even tho they are required to adapt to them.
>Chaos destroys Cadia>forces survivors to then relocate and repopulate on MULTIPLE other planets, therefore making even MORE Cadianslmao
>>94783263I mean, Cadia was always sorta the baseline troops that were emulated across the Imperium, so it makes sense, hard to move on from tradition in that place
>>94803751there are a couple of novels about that, whether they are good is kind of subjective
>>94803802Tzeentchian plot somehow.
>>94784485There are several, technically. Wherever Cadians settle is a New Cadia.Or you do as the Ogryn suggest in Darktide and just rename a fucking planet.
>>94783263>How do you feelI don't, because I don't care about nu41k, I'm only interested in WH40k, which has been discontinued for over a decade at this point.
>>94786290They lost that in liken ~2012, my dude, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>94783263>Cadia being destroyedchaos copeCadia floats!
