We all know about dark table top settings like world of darkness, dark sun or War hammer 40k but what are some optimistic and hopeful genres for table top RPGs and/or War games?
You mean solarpunk and such?
>>94804579Lancer. There's still shit going down, but the universe is doing pretty good in general and the PCs are working to help it along.Maybe ICON as well if you can find someone willing to play it.
>>94804603>You mean solarpunk and such?Not specifically but if you can think of some that would be cool too.
>>94804619>Commie hellhole full of pmcs murdering each other for fun and profit>Noble Bright
>>94804579>>94804603>Noble Bright>solarpunkJesus fucking christ. Could you people have a single thought in your heads? There is nothing good that has ever come out of mindlessly appealing to trends.
>>94804579hopefully none, those just end up being life sims, i want conflict. also stop making up gay little portmanteaus, not everything has to be Ingsoc, you prole.
>>94804619Lancer is a /pol/ hellscape on part with the absolute worst social media echo-chambers. Holy shit. There is nothing "noblebright" about it, it's 1984 with mechs. Read the fucking setting. Everything is ruled by a communist dictatorship.
>>94804619I swear Lancer fans are the one group on /tg/ who are more retarded than modern DnD fans.Yes, the "universe" is doing fine in Lancer. The universe doest give a shit about our insignificant species. Humanity as a whole though? Fucking awful. Almost all of humanity falls under the control of a socialist omni-goverment or literal space-fuedalism monarchy... and they're both working together as convenient frienemies causing endless proxy wars with eachother because it's good for business and keeping people from focusing on their own lack of freedom.Don't get me wrong, in Warhammer 40k they'd be closest to Tau Empire, so definitely not the worst outcome possible, but still pretty far from noblebright. I swear to god Lancer fans don't even read the setting parts of the books, or they're actually stupid enough to take Union and Karrakin propaganda at face value.
>>94804644>Commie hellhole>>94804755>communist dictatorship.>>94804799>socialist omni-goverment or literal space-fuedalism monarchy...in a post-scarcity utopia. From the goddamn book:>The golden age, for a plurality of humans, is real, predicated on the work of generations of people struggling in collective action to win a better future. The lives of those on the utopian capital worlds of the Galactic Core is stable, safe, and without want.Plus shit like>Union could not bring their dead back home, but they would choke the stars with the living.That's bright as fuck. The PCs are there stabilizing the edges where shit is still raw. That's noble. Sure you could read everything like an edgy turbofaggot and yell about Star Trek being fascist because clearly the Federation is lying, but that's on you.
>>94804579Battletech
>>94804893Yes, a post-scarcity utopia... with constant mech battles and galactic warfare.You can't honestly be retarded enough to believe the Union propaganda. This has to be trolling. Nobody can be THIS retarded.
>>94804893Union made contact with a sentient alien race and their first response was to exterminate it with methods that are considered war-crimes.Union made an AI machine God that killed billions and covered it.Union plays nice with a space monarchy that uses literal slavery, but it's OK because cheap manufacturing.Union conquers independent world's that want nothing to do with them the strip-mines them for raw resources.Yeah... noble-bright indeed. You have to realize that alot of what's in the handbook is written like in-iniverse documents, it's full of more spin than mainstream modern media.
>>94805003>>94805055From the author section:>We believe that ideas of liberation, of radical antifascism and anti-hate, can begin around the table with friends and end in the streets, at the ballot box, and in all of our hearts. Sometimes around the table with friends is the only place where liberation – where fighting back – can happen. This does not diminish the impact that it can have.>That’s why we made Lancer: to help people fight back, if nowhere else then around the table with friends.This is not a uber ironic doublespeak setting, it's a bleeding heart on their sleeve. You're playing an onions game, boys, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
>>94804579Unironically dnd
>>94805274So basically the authors lack the self-awareness to realize that they made a "utopia" that's actually super fucked beneath the surface and falls apart with even just 5 minutes of critical examination? Too real.
>>94805320uncomfortable truth
>>94805340Unironically read the setting. The current government is the result of a bloody civil war five hundred years ago, after the previous couple of governments spent millennia fucking things sideways. Now they're trying to fix shit by reconnecting with the backwaters what got fucked sideways despite having allies who liked how things got fucked sideways and occasionally continue to try to fuck things sideways. The PCs are the main unfuckulating solution, so they see all that shit firsthand.
>>94805430That sounds like the exact opposite of noblebright, but at this point the field is covered in skid-marks from how many times you've tried to move the goal posts.
>>94805430>"It's OK, guys! THIS time it will work for sure!"The authors aren't students of history, I see. Like I said, zero self-awareness.
>>94805430How are you supposed to avoid >>94804710 in a mil-sf setting without fuckening to justify ongoing bloody conflict? If it were utopia with no fires in need of stamping out it would be (rightly) condemned as self-indulgent wank with nothing at stake entirely at odds with the premise of "pilot war machines".
>>94805483You don't? That's why there's fucked up shit still there in the setting. But on the whole humanity is doing well and getting better.If you need some kind of ongoing conflict, well, people are still going to be assholes. Any little planet might suddenly decide to go full war cult and need badass mech pilots to slap their shit back down.
>>94804693>There is nothing good that has ever come out of mindlessly appealing to trends.To play devil's advocate: I finished paleobiology due to the 90s dino craze and actually work in the field, so sometimes good things do happenBut otherwise agree and pretty much came here just to point out how fucking superfluous noble bright is even on purely semantic level, not to mention practical side of things
>>94805340>the authors lack the self-awareness to realize that they made a "utopia" that's actually super fuckedThat's literally every single fucking utopian treatise ever written. And if they were written before 1920 or so, it's almost guaranteed to be some hard-core authoritarian regime.
>>94804579Eberron captures that naïve optimism of world recovering from a world war.
>>94805651>that naïve optimism of world recovering from a world war.I fail to see what's naive about finally being happy to not fighting a war anymore.But then again, I do remember having a war in my lifetime in my fucking neighbourhood.
>>94804579Older D&D settings could be good. Like dragonlance, mystara, that sort of thing. Just sounds like a generic fantasy setting without shades of grey would work fine, like a world based off fairy tales.
>>94805587I think Anon's point was that Lancer's playerbase (and authors) are too dense to see this and genuinely believe their fucked up "utopia" is actually a good thing. It's like a wet-dream for armchair theorists whose only knowledge of government and the social contract comes from youtubers and internet blogs.
>>94804893The federation doesn't need to lie to be a fascist hellscape. It would literally be better to be a primitive race in caradassian space
>>94804893>Star TrekAll I say is Federation propaganda is getting weird. Effective – but weird. (And queer as fuck). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_y6EX3ZFLc
>>94804619Lancer isn't even a complete game. It's a piece of political commentary pretending to be a game because it has a combat system.
>>94805811Anon, Last War ended only because Cyre got literally nuked and The Powers That Be are scared shitless that Mourning might repeat. But all the conflicts from war are still there, waiting to reignite.
>>94804603>solarpunkthe thing which is not punk in the slightest and whose advocates would, in a better world, be shot, scalped, and thrown in the dumpster.
>>94806244Root Beer.
>>94804603Solarpunk is the victors of a genocide constantly hammering into your head how the people they killed were terrible and what they did is justified and you shouldn't question it because the quality of life is has been improved in their absence.A noblebright setting would be if nobody genocided anyone.
>>94805320>Unironically dndDepends on setting, I don't think anyone would ever call Ravenloft "noble bright."
>>94804579Noblebright is extremely common. You always find it in shows for little kids. So, for something with a somewhat wider appeal, you have Pokemon as an example of it.
>>9480457940K is not grimdark anymore.Now technology advances in the Imperium.
God I hate this fad of naming shit like this. It's so fucking low IQ that it hurts me physically. It's just a weak attempt to latch onto cyberpunks success by trying to create a snappy name that encapsulates the vibe It's trying to make.
>>94810162it's been more than 15 years since noblebright, anon, you can't call it a fad anymore
>>94804579Genres or games?Pugmire is def optimistic. Magical Kitties Save the Day (hadn't played it yet, but sounds optimistic).Triangle Agency is on a brighter side of things (but it's hard to discuss it without spoilers).Faerun is KINDA optimistic - you have this beautiful place, full of magic & everything & no one genocides each other. D&D24 (like it or not) tries to be optimistic with all it inclusivity/bright colors/re-definition of species. Not everyone liked it, but hey, maybe it's your cup of tea
>>94804579Women are neither noble nor bright
>>94804619>>94804893>>94805430It's amazing how Lancershills always try to make any thread they can about their faggy commieslop DnD clone and only ever make everyone hate them more.
>>94810211>op asks for apples, anon asks if he meant oranges or bananascan't make this up
>>94804893>in a post-scarcity utopia.Except it's not. Corps artificially limit the number of mechs or food one can print from their magic 3D printer specifically to create artificial scarcity. You can't be post-scarcity if the dominant society enforces scarcity.
>>94805483Lancer's setting IS self-indulgent wank. Everyone saying "um actually union is secretly bad" is tryng to make the argument that the setting is secretly well-written. It is not. Union is a mary sue faction, the world has no real stakes, it is badly written, illogical and anyone who enjoys it lacks critical thinking and taste.
>>94805483You've described Lancer perfectly. The mechs are just toys silver-spoon socialist use to oppress mudfarmers before assimilating them and stamping out their culture. The mecgs are explicitly described as mere morale-boosting cheerleaders while REAL wars are fought by starships lobbing relativistic kill clouds at each other from across entire star systems.
>>94810244In op post op is mentioning settings (WoD, Dark Sun, WH40k) and later asks for genres.If they want genre opposed to grimdark, they have noblebright and they know that this genre exist (they use it in the OP post).It's not my job to articulate for OP what they want. I've tried to provide them with something that seems to fit into what they want.
>>94810244More like>op asks for apples by name but describes an orange in his request, then gets mad we didn't post any bananasWhy do you feel compelled to defend retards?
>>94810394probably the same reason you're defending a retard right now
>>94810412>uh uh errrrrr uhhhhm....>NO U!>heh, gottem...I rest my case.
>>94810412So, in good faith, what do you think OP asked us to provide him with?
>>94804579>We all know about dark table top settings like world of darkness, dark sun or War hammer 40k but what are some optimistic and hopeful genres for table top RPGs and/or War games?Forget about grimdark and noblebright.The true patrician choice is comfydusk.
>>94810476examples of settings that are generally noblebright
>>94810505>comfyduskWhat the fuck is comfydusk? Getting your lvl 15 Palladin fren to go down into a local pisspoor dungeon to stomp on goblins who can barely put together a club between ten of them??
>>94804710Way to out yourself, zoomie
>>94804710Behold, a conflict free life sim.But seriously, kill yourself newfag.
>>94810869>widespread slavery and serfdom, political backstabbing on all levels, galaxy-spanning drug empiresstar wars is closer to grim than noble
>>94810891You’re thinking of the dark/bright axis, not the grim/noble one
>>94810891It's not about the setting, it's about the story that setting is used to tell. This has, since the beginning, been the way to differentiate these different tones.Star Wars is literally an archetypical noblebright story. Not that it was written as one, but when the categories were created star wars was used as a "this is what a noblebright story looks like."
>>94810912nope, grim/noble is people including large groups, dark/bright is scenery and threats from outside star wars is kind of grimbright for the same reason cyberpunk is grimbright unless it's a particularly polluted kind>>94810918disagree about the story thing, and i was there when people started making those category images
>>94810942>nope, grim/noble is people including large groups, dark/bright is scenery and threats from outside Where the fuck did you get this utterly deranged interpretation of the axes? Grim/Noble determines the future prospects of a setting, while Dark/Bright describes the current state. Ergo stuff like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings is NobleDark
>>94810703>What the fuck is comfydusk?A term I just made the fuck up.>Low stakes>There exist bad things in the world, but so do good things>The woods are filled with monsters that will kill you and defile your corpse>The taverns are filled with jolly inkeepers, busty maidens, and good ale
>>94810963where the fuck did you get yours? i got mine back here https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2009/5881187/#5882209i even made an irrelevant shitpost in the thread
>>94810261That's not what people are arguing at all. They're arguing the setting is SHIT because it's self-indulgent political want, not that it's secretly well-written. Lancer is a fucking joke to anyone who doest get their opinions from mainstream social media, and should be viciously mocked and derided because of it.
>>94810987>where the fuck did you get yours?1d4chan
>>94811053well i just showed you the origin of these terms, as you can see grim/noble is about how bad or good the people are and dark/bright is about how bad or good the setting other than people in your expected group areyou can also see it gets repeatedly called a setting tone alignment chart, not a story tone alignment chartthe only thing that guy fucked up was his neutral boring idea, a setting isn't boring just because he can't put it onto his chart at any extreme
>>94810964>MUH LE HECKIN COMFY WHOLESOME CHUNGUS SETTING, UWUYou sound like a gay faggot who likes cocks in his ass
>>94811177The first line and the second line of your post are the same, one of them is just empty and happy fluff words while the other is empty and angry fluff words.
>>94811186>empty, meaningless, self-indulgent fluff One might even call his post comfyduskcore
>>94811177Comfy=/=wholesome you illiterate retard.
>>94811461only a pervert would think this
>>94811461>describes the most redditoid fagslop>is appalled when xhe gets called a redditfag
>>94810691So, why when I answer about the world of Pugmire, Magic kittens save the day, Faerun etc you think that this answer is irrelevant?
>>94811784no
>>94811502>only a pervert would think thisYes, and?
>>94804579Blue Rose I guess. Especially the newer edition since the big bad has been dealt with.
>>94810232Thanks for showing that you are not very bright and don't have anything to add to this or any other thread faggot.
>>94811525>the party finds the bandits who kidnapped the barmaid just in time to stop them from doing anything to her, and convince them to lay down their arms after a fight without killing them, and convince them to give up banditry with a skill check before returning to town and turning down any reward offered to themWholesome>The party finds the kidnappers just as they are about to rape the barmaid, and put them all to the sword before escorting the girl back to town, where they spend the evening being treated to free food and ale by the inkeeper. The party rogue robs the place blind during the revelry, and seduces the barmaid while the barbarian knocks out the teeth from another drunken patron that called him a simpletonComfy
>>94814105Just like my shitical roles!
>>94806431You mean Cold War, right?I keep forgetting that zoomers literally have no frame of reference prior to war on terror, and even that one is kind of blurry for them.
>>94810211>D&D24 (like it or not) tries to be optimistic with all it inclusivity/bright colors/re-definition of species. I wouldn't go that far. Forgotten Realms, which is now the default setting, has finally matured enough to call out the Harpers as maybe not the CG adventurers' organization it touts itself to be and instead the undead arm of a long-dead ethno-nationalistic state acting on obsolete orders to keep the world fertile for a resurgence of the parent that will never come, and keeps Faerun under its thumb through acts of benevolence and terrorism in equal measure as the PCs themselves have to decide whether it's the lesser evil to groups like the Red Wizards or a stifling tumor that is slowly choking the civilized peoples attempts to fight back against the tides of villainy. 3.5 went far harder attempting to paint the sides in stark black and white terms, even if the white was more often bleached hypocrisy.
>>94805274Jesus Christ. It’s Leftist agitprop as an rpg.
>>94805274Facism will always be the only viable way to move our people forward. Fuck these antifa fucks
LOTR is the closest I can think.
What does a hero in a Noble Bright setting even look like?
>>94805574What's paleobiology like? What's the current controversy? What do you like most about it? What surprised you most?
>>94810964could you think of anything that even fits this definition you have given?over the Garden Wall is the only thing i can think of the top of my head
>>94804644>>94804799>>94805003>>94805274>>94805340>>94808832I think you all are forgetting the fact that noblebright doesn't mean "good times" - it means a hopeful setting. Star Wars's original trilogy is often cited as an example of noblebright, and you see a planet getting exploded in the first act. If anything, Solarpunk is grimbright. >>94810891Noble - brave inidviduals are capable of saving the world. Star Wars has this in spades. Of course, if you look at spinoff material like Andor, not the case, but the central "spine" of Star Wars's story is that capable individuals can change the world. Bright - good often triumphs over evil. In the end, the Empire fell.
>>94819980>>94810987
>>94805811the optimism is naive because the Last War wasn't the last war ever, but the one before the next one. Eberron is 1920s Earth, see how that worked out. If you are a polity that survives a war, you immediately start preparing for the next one.
