Steam Tank Engineer edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0HWarhammer Chronicles: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zipTime of Legends: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zipET: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zipTOW: https://gofile.io/d/ffbanDhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>94799259>TQ: What is you favourite war machine?
>>94810707>TQDoom Diver CatapultNothing better than throwing goblins at your problems
What's your headcanon for fact that bretonnian knights don't use full plate armor made in the empire but still are using great helmets and chainmails? Why don't they arm their peasants with black powder weapons, obviously superior to bows?
>>94810725Brettonia doesn't arm its men-at-arms with black powder weapons due to a legal ban on crossbows in the country and cannons and other gunpowder weapons count as crossbows
>>94810725>What's your headcanon for fact that bretonnian knights don't use full plate armor made in the empire but still are using great helmets and chainmails? Why don't they arm their peasants with black powder weapons, obviously superior to bows?Bretonnian doesn't like the idea of commoners being able to access weapons that could readily harm a knight in armourBecause they've been mostly successful in banning these weapons, they didn't need to have an arms race between armour-piercing weaponry and armour durability
Why has no one tried to replicate skaven technology when it’s seemingly so advance?
>>94810756Most Skaven tech is heavily irradiated and warpstone powered.Anyone using or being in proximity for prolonged time would likely die, which is not an issue to Skaven.
>>94810756Probably because most Skaven technology on the battlefield is actually matched in some degree by the other races and it uses Warpstone, which is disgustingly toxic and unstable.
>>94810756chaos corruption caused by Warpstone exposure and Skaven tech is really unreliable
>>94810725the explanation (read: cope) I remember was that since bretonnian knights are often on the move and not always with their squires, they prefer a kind of armour they can more easily get off and on on their own and which is more comfortable for long voyagesarming your mistreated working class with weapons that are easy to use and to use effectively against you, their oppressor, is a recipe for disaster, and they don't have the industry to sustain that arming
>>94810756It's quite possible some imperial engineer tried. Either he failed because skaven tech rely on warpstone and asspulls with a strong tendency to blow up in your face sooner rather than later, or he somehow succeeded and got promptly killed by witch hunters because that shit is still chaos tainted.A dwarf will never touch that for obvious reasons, chaos dwarves might but they either have better stuff or are too prideful to bother, and the rest of the factions lack the expertise or interest to do it, except maybe Cathay which will probably run into the same problems than imperials.
>>94810756Probably because the sheer volume of warpstone required is almost assuredly fatally toxic to any non-skavens who could attempt it.
>>94810756Because all of their technology is based on rocks that give you space cancer for standing near it. Skaven are too stupid and short-lived to care/notice
bretonnia was a mistake
>>94810707>TOW: https://gofile.io/d/ffbanDconsider replacing the link with this in the next thread, I put the empire arcane journal https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
>>94810707>>TQ: What is you favourite war machine?
>>94811121Thank you anon.
First 5 models of the year, 13 more models for first unit done
>>94811158there is a pdf already, I uploaded both the epub and the pdf
>>94810756Skaven technology is unstable at best and powered by crystallized magic that actively poisons and mutates beings thT stand around it too much, and this is assuming the pieces you're trying to copy have not been sabotaged or booby-trapped in such a way to make them even more dangerous than normal.
When the fuck did it become "the Empire of Man"? It's gay, I hate it. It's too similar to the Imperium of Man in 40k.
>>94810756Isn't Skaven Tech mostly Dorf tech with Warpstone up the wazoo?
>>94811190ok, keep using just "the empire", nobody cares
>>94811242I will, I just don't understand why they felt the need to change it. It has a different connotation, as if the Empire presumes authority over all humans in the Warhammer world, when they don't.
>>94811263You can't copyright The Empire, but you can copyright The Empire of Man.
I could've sworn it was The Empire of Sigmar Makes sense in-universe, is marketable and (more importantly) copyrightable.
>>94811121Thanks anon. What software do you use to convert GW epub files to pdf?
>>94811190the Empire of Sigmar would have more sense but i guess might conflate it AoS somehow
>>94811313The people responsible for naming stuff are retarded. There is no other explanation.
>>94811121>>94811190>>94811399It should be called Empire of Sigmar.Or Sigmarite Empire, since its based on the Holy Roman Empire.
>>94811532Empire of Sigmar balls lmao
>>94810707Does anyone still play WAP, or did TOW snuff that our?
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ph4embz2/old-world-almanack-the-knightly-orders-of-the-empire/some knight paint jobs
>uncle got me the 4 part Wallenstein docudrama for christmas "because you like that 30 years war stuff right?" >finally sat down to watch it on second screen the other day>became pinned to the screen and binged all 5 hours of it or soHelp, now I need to fill that gap. Which Empire Leader comes closest to Wallenstein? Marius Leitdorf?>marius starts negotiating a peace with the Skaven when Karl has him assassinated
>>94811594Basically dead. I think 9th Age has survived somewhat.
>>94811554https://youtube.com/shorts/TV7AWBYMJ1A?si=NgMDAvgLDpd_qand
>>94811684Bummer. I liked watching WAP battle reports on MtNMinis. TOW is confusing and dull. Bases are too big and the phases are all screwed up.
>>94810725Just like historically the holy roman empire didn't have tanks and machine guns in the 1650s, the magical French knights with superpowers don't need cannons.
How is this for a 1000 point starting force to build towards? .. Not sure if I want the 2 chariots or a giantBlack Orc Bigboss [95 pts]- Great weapon- Full plate armour- General- War BoarNight Goblin Oddgit [85 pts]- Level 2 Wizard- Waaagh! Magic18 Black Orc Mob [261 pts]- Hand weapons- Full plate armour- 9x Shields- 9x Great weapons- Boss (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician11 Night Goblin Mob [69 pts] - Hand weapons- Shortbows- 1x Fanatics [Fanatic ball & chain]Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts]Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts]4 Orc Boar Boy Mob [100 pts]- Cavalry spears- Heavy armour- Shields- Big 'Uns- Boss (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician5 Orc Boar Boy Mob [110 pts]- Cavalry spears- Heavy armour- Shields- Boss (champion)- Standard bearer- MusicianOrc Boar Chariot [94 pts]- Hand weapons- Cavalry spears- 4+- FrenzyOrc Boar Chariot [94 pts]- Hand weapons- Cavalry spears- 4+- Frenzy
>>94811263'The Empire of Man' is neither the Empire of all Men, nor the Empire of only Men (There's a halfling elector for fuck's sake).It's not even the largest Empire of Men, although it is the largest in the Old World.It's such a 40kism, I hate it. Even the Empire of Sigmar would be better. That is literally true, despite my dislike of reducing the Empire to 'For Sigmar!' ad infinitum.
>>94811600Nigger knights.
>>94811894surprisingly on only one of the paint jobs would have thought all of the Warhammer Studio ones would have had to include them
>>94811894feel sorry for you
>>94811888That's the point anon.Like Voltaire said about the Holy Roman Empire>"The Holy Roman Empire was in no way holy, nor Roman, nor an empire"Just like the HRE that inspired it, The Empire of Man takes on a moniker that is at best an exaggeration, and at worst a delusion.
>>94810746I desperately want to go to a Warhammer larp because I'm retarded and autistic. Europe power gaps us Americans so hard it's insane. The stuff you see on youtube? Regiments of Slovenians or whatever, all in perfect Empire uniforms. Giant puppeteered Trolls. Working Steam Tanks. USA has maybe one or two decent looking events (maybe) but it's playground shit compared to Euros.>>94810711Based. I love that little guy so much.
>>94811935I'm surprised Warhammer fantasy has many LARP events at all it's not an area that GW ever explored after GW staff members were mistaken for the IRA during a Dark Future LARP event or encouraged to grow in any natural way like some other companies, White Wolf, etc.
>>94811922You know, if they actually made the joke in a sidebar or in-character quote, I'd take it. The sad thing is it doesn't come across as self-aware.
>>94810707>What is you favourite war machine?Either Bronzino's Galloper Guns or the halfling hot pot
>>94810707>TQI'd like to think Skaven weapons teams because they are contraptionsIf anons will humor me, then it'd be the humble Doomflayer. A tiny spinning ball that rolls forward to crash into the ranks of the enemy and either break the rank or die in shame
>>94810725The canonical reason is that they're dumb. It's a Monty Python sketch and the in-universe equivalent of a destitute third world country.
>>94810756Skaven tech isn't actually better than 16th century cannons and muskets on average by the actual stats. It has a higher ceiling but a much lower floor (i.e. even among the Skaven 99% of them are just peasants in rags with rusty knives and their war machines are almost as likely to kill the user as the target).Reminder that despite gross numerical superiority the Skaven were regularly losing wars to the Empire before they even had wizards or gunpowder.
>>94812134>by the actual stats.by the actual stats the orc on the left has the same strength as the other two figures and the human in the middle is more armoured than the elf on the right
>The Empire Arcane Journal map of west Stirland literally just lifts everything from MadAlfred's fan map.WFRP fan material chads win again. Unfortunately that does imply a complete lack of actual research, but anyway.>>94812134>Skaven attack a broken, early Empire crippled by plague>Still get anally ravaged by Mandred and a bunch of half-starved Middenheimers
>>94812134Stats are a poor comparison.Skaven have rotor cannons, tesla/arc guns and vehicles
>>94812244is it really fan-made content when Alfred has worked on multiple books for multiple editions of WFRP?does that mean he's the one who fucked up Kemperbad location then?
>>94812265He never got it wrong beforeKemperbads one notable trait is being on the Talabecland side of the Reik but still being in Reikland, and also straddling the Stir.
For the guy who asked about Beastman skeletons last thread. Avatars of War has a couple kits if 3D printing is an option for you.
>>94811829It looks like a varied and fun list. A giant might be a bit too much for a 1000 pt game, I would suggest going for the two chariots.
>>94812295so it's a weird fuck up by GW thensome of the towns and villages are different places but same namesit's interesting these maps had seemed to have been used as a basis for a lot of interior GW map-making and Geothathy decisions since Myrmidens is also from one of his maps
>>94812265Kemperbad is entirely their own fuckup. His version is right.If fan stuff written by people who have written for WFRP counts as canon, we get into pretty dubious territory. Some of it lurks just at the threshold though. Are Jade Vampires canon? TWW implies maybe. The insect vampires from the same apocryphal document? Probably not, even though they're fun.I wish Andy Law would just publish whatever he's managed to rebuild of his actual fucking maps. Whatever you think of him, they're researched to an autistic level of accuracy, including places that get mentioned once offhand in a Black Library book or random WD article. They're probably the best reconciliation of warhammer material that exists, but we only have the Reikland one available (which GW ignored for TOW, obviously, despite it being used for all of WFRP 4e).
>>94812321Thanks, also like the chariotsHave not looked at magic items yet.Might skip them for my first game
>>94812265I think everyone can universally agree that this map should be stamped as in-universe unreliable narration. Just an inaccurate map some scribe in Nuln copied improperly which led to the military blunder of leading an army from Flensburg through the Nattern Forest, because the road from Nuln to Kemperbad didn't actually exist.
>>94812354i think we will get Jade-blooded Vampire content whenever we get around to Cathay the Matmassi(?) like everything in Araby will never get developed at all as GW doesn't want to deal with it
>>94812375That is generally a good idea. Magic items can get pretty confusing. Play a game or two without them, then pick the items that you think would help solve problems your list had to deal with in said games.
>>94812244pretty sure once the plague was done three quarters of the Empire out it mutated and spread to the Skaven, who after all are part man. Given how crowded skaven live it is clear that a plague would be many times worse for them than humans so they probably lost 4 fifths of their pop while the Empire went on the offense.
Now that Fantasy is back, do you think GW will reprint the best box they ever made?
Does the cursed armor given to chaos warriors ever get painted or given with a non black color? I had an idea for white chaos warriors with black chaos signs and painted on marks.
>>94812547maybe as a made to order thing? other than that I doubt it.
>High Elf Player's Guide, available for pre-order soonso next week maybe
>>94812236Yes, this is correct. Fantasy Orcs aren't that strong.
Put the basic floor plan down for Stirwacht Castle.Is it missing anything essential for a rural, backwater Empire Castle thats a lowly Barons seat?
>>948122481% of Skaven have these things, the rest have rusty knives. Skaven rotary guns even when they don't explode only put out about as much lead as a couple dozen handgunners with much weaker projectiles (one lore book notes they can shoot "up to a hundred bullets per minute", usually lower). Much faster, more mobile, more accurate, and more reliable guns weren't a game changer in the American Civil War. Their electric cannons are also pretty underwhelming, they don't really outperform the culverins the Empire uses.
>>94812711based on this image generation.
>>94812716When considering their workforce is literally billions (effectively unlimited) and they have literal solidified magic to power their society Skaven technology must be extremely inefficient if they still send up armies of guys with spears.
>>94812236Makes sense bc Orcs are half mushroom so their muscle are not as strong as human flesh and elven armor is purely aesthetic so it's made of tin foil
>>94812788orc muscle fibers are denser and stronger per unit of measure, the tissue isn't fungal.
badd ass conversions...
>>94812809Those heads look ridiculously small on those bodies
>>94812809looks sick AF
>>94812767Skaven have shit economy. No functional supply lines, no reliable food sources, no trustworthy agreements of any sorts. Skaven are a churning mass that constantly reshapes into varying failed states wracked by inconcievable corruption and embezzlement that would make Arabs blush.Considering the circumstances of their squalid misery and incompetent leadership, it's a miracle they have been able to offer any sort of trouble to anyone else.
>>94812809yeah, not much of a competition in the article
>>94810756Because it "isnt".Skaven technology is generally sorta shit. Its also largely individual artifice.Skaven tech is finding a concept some other race has and then applying warpstone to it to make it "better".They dont innovate, they copy. Unless you both: have no technology of your own and have no issues with using warpstone as a staple power source (which everyone except chaos warriors would) you are better off with anything other than skaven tech.>>94812236As of now that dark elf is wearing plate armor so that isnt true.
>>94811600Cute. Its nice to see whats very clearly "Genuine" hobbying, also fun to see "shit" conversions.Wish they did this sort of thing more.
>>94812830don't the Skaven any superspeed railway between SkavenBlight and Hell pit?
>>94812564Of course it does, anon. Why do you think warriors who serve one of the gods tend to be painted red, blue, pink or green? Even if they serve all the gods, their armour might be white, or yellow, or any other colour. Black is just the most common colour because it looks cool. Why, there was an anon in the last thread, or the one before that, who posted his bone-white chaos warriors, and they looked great. Chaos is the army with the least amount of restrictions in terms of how you paint your models. So, go nuts! Paint your models however you want them to be painted. You can even paint the models within a single regiment differently if you'd like.Also, chaos armour isn't cursed. It's blessed.
>>94812564>Does the cursed armor given to chaos warriors ever get painted or given with a non black color? I had an idea for white chaos warriors with black chaos signs and painted on marks.Sure? You can find all sorts of official paint schemes.
>>94812857Allegedly.It would be an india tier railway but 10k times worse.
>>94812809that's not even the Knights of the Fiery Heart symbol on those shields.
>>94812809That's cool, but I prefer the real version.
>>94812809Personally I think those maces look kinda weird and dont particularly like those weird scarf-heads. But its a neat conversion in the sense that it reminds me of what conversions used to be, as opposed to some giant super intricate monstrosity where someone spends three hours and half a kilo of greenstuff turning angron into leman russ.Not to say those sorts of conversions are bad, but I feel like the overly produced "professional hobbyist" stuff has sort of outmuscled the regular joe in terms of media perception.
>>94812711What app are you using?
>>94812984Inkarnate.
>>94812916some of those somewhat simple conversions or Kitbash can still be found they just get very few videos in comparison to bigger more complex monster oneshowever, i think some of this might simply be due to the amateur feel of the videos at least the ones I've foundexample of a guy making an Orcs army using 40k Orks and a lot of greenstuff it is pretty interesting but he does have rather borked audio at timeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekjsmjtkNJI&t=7s
>>94811600Dave is a fag
>>94813010Sure, you can find them, but the more "professional" stuff seems more prominent imo (for entirely understandable reasons). This isnt to say its bad, it obviously isnt, those conversions tend to be very high quality and effort. But theyre less "realistic" if you know what I mean, its nice to see the sort of stuff someone ITT or IRL might do with some spare parts.
>>94813029Okay Dave
>>94811829Looks alright. Consider making the Goblin Shaman a level 4 instead if possible. Having 4 spells to cast can be a lot of fun and Waaagh! has some great buff spells, in addition to getting Itchy Nuisance from your Goblin racial spells.
>>94811121Lmao the fuck is this shitty artwork?
>>94813055Whats the issue here?
>>94812809I can understand having one token nigger in your army, but two just breaks my suspension of disbelief.
>>94813083Uh edgy
>>94810725Tradition first and foremost, they're aware of and have access to Empire armor if they wanted it but choose not to use it. It's also impossible to travel around in full plate armor alone, which is something Questing Knights and Grail Knights regularly do.As for black powder, what the other anon said. Some retard peasant rebellion (which probably happens often) is much easier to put down when they don't have black powder weapons. Bretonnian Exiles make limited use of primitive cannons and can hire blunderbuss mercenaries if they so choose though, so again, it's not like they don't have access to that tech.Bretonnia in general is all about placing magic and personal virtue above tech.
>>94813055They have to make the illustrations match the models, so they don't get leopard pelts (even though you can use the cloaks on the hairy head sprue. I assume that still comes as standard?).Even then, the plate armour has no sculptural qualities. This shit is a lost art, like roman concrete.
>>94811957>GW staff members were mistaken for the IRA during a Dark Future LARP eventKek
>>94810725Because empire "plate armor" is also just heavy armor. The actual plate armor (read: 4+ save, is dwarf forged)>Why don't they arm their peasants with black powder weapons, obviously superior to bows?Because they dont want to empower the lower classes the oppress with weapons effective against heavily armored knights? Are you fucking retarded?
>>94812547The best box ever made is still selling fast. I do wonder if tow will get fomo boxes though.
>>94813083Fun fact, I think the first image of a black person is a Moor's head on top of Bogenhafen's coat of arms. Which was quietly removed later.Apart from pygmies, that was probably the only one until Blood on the Reik in 2004 or so.
>>94813055meant to look like the models rather than something more idealized like older art
>>94813161I mean, that looks better than the chimera proper. At least the dragon(?) head isnt gazing off into god knows where for no reason.
>>94812547I think thats unlikely, at least now, the time to reprint the box would have been when OnG and dwarfs were launching.
>>94812830Why is it still closed?!
>>94811171Nice worn metal.
>>94812767>Skaven technology must be extremely inefficient if they still send up armies of guys with spears.yes and noSkaven have fucking awful institutions, as in "their institutions are so bad that the only thing preserved is corruption". All that skaven technology? All of it is individual artifice, because the concept of preserving and sharing knowledge is not just unknown but antithetical to them, no engineer wants to train his apprentices because a skilled apprentice will want to take the engineers job (and kill him), so whenever an engineer dies whatever knowledge they had goes with them, and someone else will have to reverse engineer their work and try and figure it out if they want to maintain it.Sorry mr warlord-chief man(rat?), your engineer got killed by his apprentice and now no onw knows how to maintain the three cannons you have (you were supposed to have six, but corruption in the supply chain meant you only got three). I hope you werent planning on winning any prolonged sieges any time soon. This is why skaven dont have much industry or development of their own, and why they instead steal from others. Skaven technology is often very effective and powerful, its just based on making something someone else designed work on magical uranium and explode 20% of the time. And its not just "oh stealing is easier", its that skaven institutions mean they CANT have any serious development of their own, because they cant have the preservation of knowledge that this would require. Skaven will have to relearn the same lessons over and over because writing down a working design for later use is impossible in their society.
>>94812809Ignoring the fact he use Sister of Battle heads and weapon, the colour scheme for this unit is off.The order is described as having polished armour, and white and red cloth. It would have been a better conversion if they had kept the normal Axe heads, painted the armour and barding to be very shiny, and used the normal Knight heads with Red and White plumes and cloth.
>>94813036The reason is jeetube has been fully taken over by professionally produced, 'influencer' company-bankrolled shit. It is TV now, not something of and for the individual.
>>94813299This also goes to things beyong the base technology. You can have the most powerful doomsday-lightning-magma-destroyer cannon in the world. A machine that could reduce karaz-a-karak to rubble in a single volley and which will make the whole world quake before skavendom. You still need to transport, maintain, and supply it. And all of those will have their own issues of equal size as the development of that machine. The chieftain you tasked with making sure theres enough ammo? He embezzled half the funds on his personal coup against you (you predicted this, which is why you didnt give him much money in the first place). And now your machine has enough for one or two volleys, and the low grade munitions might explode at any time.The crew you have actually maintaining the machine? They need to be constantly watched for insubordination, dont want someone using your doomsday weapon against you, which means that the machine likely needs to be maintained in a state where it cant be used on a short notice, probably because the ammunition is stored separately and the crew arent taught how to fire it on their own without oversight from someone "trusted" (that you can keep within sight at all times)The supply lines and routes you take with your machine? They need to be constantly maintained and manned, because every one of your rivals will see your weapon as a threat to their power and will try and sabotage you whether directly or indirectly. Skaven have some VERY powerful things going for them, their numbers and raw technological potential are both incredible. They then have every single possible downside, to the point where them being as barely-functional as they are is a fucking miracle (and requires literal divine intervention)
>>94811190>"The Empire of Man">Indirectly implies that only the German analogs are humans, and that the other human nations are not true humans.Dangerously based GW.
>>94813342the other human nations aren't empire
>>94813214It would be a good MtO release to slot in during a lull between regular releasesAlso I want them rerelease it because I want a bunch of Night Goblins. I don't care about Orcs, I don't like the old regular Goblin kits, I only want Night Goblins
>>94813352you can still get those Night Goblins kits though they still sell them in AoS
>>94813328The reason is that people want to see the cool fancy shit, not the sort of kitbash they can do right now at home. The highest quality stuff isnt the most popular because of the evil corporations or because Big Hobby(tm) is controlling the algorithm, but because those are the videos the most people want to watch, because for every person that wants to find an easy way to make XYZ theres several more people who just want to see something cool.Its the same reason you see more and more pro painting studios take over the "market" for painted models rather than the days of dakkadakka or whatever, because those pro painted things are simply better looking and get more attention. Because obviously someone who does painting as a hobby paints better space marines than dave the office worker who slaps some paint on his brush whenever he has time or feels like it. People who can make better videos/photos from a technical perspective also get more views, and once again a more amateur hobbyist isnt likely to be able to do that compared to a professional. This isnt bad, this isnt wrong, its entirely logical. But it nonetheless creates a skewed perception of the hobby and what things are. >>94813352Dont they still sell night goblins?
>>94813365>>94813366Yeah but I want them all in a big box for cheaper with some dwarves I can then trade to a dwarf players for all the night goblins they got in their dwarf box.It's very simplealso they don't sell that troll or that terrain piece anywhere
These guys are underrated.
>>94813400doesn't the impetuous rule kinda make them useless for their intended role?
>>94813366A part of it might also be "the maturing of the hobby", that and the death of older forums in favor of bigger centralized ones. The general hobbyist now is better than they were in say, 2014 or 2004 (at least when they apply themselves). Theyre better players, better painters, better modelers. Theres more resources available at the tip of your fingertips, people have been in the game longer. And that creates a bigger gap between the "experienced" and the "layman"Go compare some golden demon winners from yesteryear with some winners from 1998 or 2000 or whatever.
>>94811190It is because they wanted to make it more like the Imperium in 40k, the belief of the cult of Sigmar is that Sigmar is the god of all humanity and so all humanity should worship him and fall under his Empire. Dwarfs basically agree with this as they see him as *the* human ancestor god.
>>94811190"The Empire" is also silly. The Empire of what? Its like if bretonnia was "The Kingdom" instead of "The Kingdom of Bretonnia"Is "The Empire of Man" perfect? No, The Empire of Sigmar might be better, The Empire of the Heldenhammer maybe, The Empire of (lists the provinces here) could work. But its the empire of SOMETHING god dammit, not just "The Empire"
>>94813447should be called the Empire of Reik, Stir and Talabec.
>>94813455Sure, id be down for that. "The Empire of the Reiksbasin" maybe. Lots of possible names they could have went with, some better than "empire of man", some worse. Regardless its better than just "the form of government"
>>94813460Empire of the Reik would make sense genuinely since all the major rivers drain into it.
>>94813055Are they Space Yeefing the Panthers? Fuck no, please God the fuck don't. Their whole appeal to me is that, unlike their fellow Middenlander in the White Wolves, their animal decor is just bling. They don't actually care about it, the pelts are just for show, and tasteful.
>>94813447you know it's based on the Holy Roman Empire, right?
Some Frenchboy was talking about a Wizard with a pet Dragon.This mini seems halfway there.
>>94813539Well, the Holy Roman Empire wasn't just "The Empire" either, nor was it the only Empire of its time.
>>94813539The HRE was called Sacrum Imperium Romanum Nationis Germanicae.
>>94813539Yes? Whats your point? The HRE (and the Roman Empire before it) were both named beyond "theyre an empire"The roman empire was named after rome, its founder and ruler. The city that would go on to conquer the whole med. The Holy Roman Empire was named after the roman empire, the historical state it was trying to inherit and claim legitimacy from, and was "holy" because it was ordained by the pope. Both of those are apt and descriptive names.
>>94813553and The Empire in TOW is the only empire in the setting. So it makes sense they wouldn't need to distinguish, it can just be "The Empire">>94813557they usually didn't call it that.
>>94813583>and The Empire in TOW is the only empire in the setting.>ulthuan>the dwarfs>the nehekharans>cathay>arguably araby at various pointsfuck even the kurgan had an empire (and many more including the remans if you go into "empires that used to exist"). Its not a very unique form of government.
>>94813583>they usually didn't call it thatlol, who, National Geography?You'll find it called that in every single official document since the lingua franca was Latin and thats its legal name.
>>94813603It's usually some variation of Holy Roman Empire in yuro languagues, with the caveat that most languagues, unlikely English, also add something about them being German. It'd be like the Holy Germanic-Roman Empire.
Why are people arguing so much over the npc faction
>>94813603>lingua franca>literally "frankish languague">latinFrom the 9th onwards pretty much everyone spoke French. England was a late addition since it only started to in the late 11th.
>>94813550if you like wizards in full armour, I guess
>>94813629None of that kvetching changes the fact that Latin was the official legal language of most if not all international treaties up until Napoleon crowned himself Emperor.French was completely irrelevant on the world stage until the mid 1500s and only English Nobility spoke it before that due to being french.
>>94812767>>94813299just take a look at the US, some of the most advanced technology in the world but that doesn't stop half the population living in poverty, roads are falling apart, healthcare is non-existent etc.
>>94810707Photobombing inbound gentlemen
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>>94813723>>94813719These fucking rock
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>>94813723>>94813719>>94813728>>94813736Yo those are fire. That banner is literally 10/10 would commission, Bob Ross shit.
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>>94813723Those look too neat for Geedubs, who sculpted them?
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>>94813691Im not going to argue politics, but half the US does not live in poverty. Its objectively one of the most prosperous and wealthy nations in the world.
>>94813387Pretty sure that's a normal troll that you can get in metal. Cave trolls are the only ones that you can't get.
>>94813736Share another angle of that banner
>>94813765And finally, >>94813748This is my brothers army. Except for the Ironbreakers, he got the STLs for all of that from Highland miniatures. The painting was all him of course.
>>94813786What angle?
>>94813794Tell your brother his dorfs are cool.
>>94813728That banner is exceptional, But its also like, weirdly out of place for the army. Not to say the army is badly painted, not at all, shit looks great, but the banner is a whole other level and feels like it was done by someone else.
>>94813798Full front. Show everything you got
>>94813719>>94813723>>94813728>>94813736>>94813745>>94813752>>94813756>>94813762>>94813765>>94813794>goblin green bases>cleanly painted except the book on the BSB>beautiful freehanded banners>homemade terrain>printchad>$0.00 given to GWI would be honored to play your bro. What a Chad
>>94813910>proontcuckoldry>chadPick one and only one.
>>94813910>$0 money given to gwI will now buy 3 dwarf army boxes straight from gw in Aussie land.
>>94813836I swear to you that was my brothers painting. We've been playing Warhammer since 2007>>94813841In case you are wondering. The names on the book are of the gaming group.
>>94813933Ha. They looked like names but I couldn't tell from the angle.Very Bob Ross like the other anon said, excellent work.
>>94813910>plays GW games>cries about giving GW moneyfag
>>94813910Does his beard tinkle with all those charms?
>>94813603you do understand that most people in the HRE didn't speak Latin, right?
>>94813957>play old GW games>give nu-GW nothingYeah I'm thinking based
>>94813933those gemstones look incredible and the freehand on the banner is awesomeyour brother is an excellent painter, anon. Tell him someone online is very impressed with his army.
>>94812711>Stirwacht Castle is partially engulfed by wild growths of crimson Roses, these make a pretty sight in full bloom, but a tenacious nuisance at best anytime else. Armed with long and sharp thorns, this near continuous hedge of thick brush has overrun most of the southern Rampants, engulfing the old Powder Shed and the ruined Guards Tower. Even when the Barons of Stirwacht still kept a gardener employed, these vines were difficult to keep at bay and at one time they were said to have covered the entire Castle safe for a narrow path to the Main Keep. Even the most determined of bushwhackers have proven incapable of rooting out this thorny pest, which seemingly regrows from a single petal in a months time, and as such has frustrated many an attempt to repurpose the abandoned structures of the castle. Curiously, the current lady of the Holding, Baroness Fabiola has proven rather effective at perhaps not removing the Roses, but certainly in grooming them to overgrow the places of the castle that are not essential to its operation and inhabitants. It seems that a green thumb is more important than an iron sickle when it comes to these plants. >Also dubbed the 'Fools Vines', notorious wastrel Ignatz VII "The Fool" had brought a single branch of these Roses home from a trip to Nordland, where they had grown at the side of the road and so impressed the Baron with their beauty, he simply had to plant it at home. Unfortunately, it appears the sturdy plant so used to harsh conditions in the North of the Empire had taken a little too well to the nutritious ground of the Stir Valley and the amicable weather of the region, constantly threatening to grow out of control.
>>94814027I don't believe for a second you've given "nu-GW" nothing. Stop cosplaying.
>>94814182>being too stupid to find Chang's gutterplastic emporiumSounds like a (You) problem. If only 40k Xenos were as easy to find
>>94813651Anon, the normans set up a bunchh of states in the Mediterranean, and Frankish nobkes made french the official language in half of Italy and all the way to rhe Crusader Kingdoms. Even the word for European in the Muslim world comes from "Frank".
>>94814215I have plenty of recast stuff, and also 3rd party. I also have stuff made by GW, seeing as I play Warhammer. You're trying to say all your models are exclusively recast or Oldhammer. You don't own a single Citadel paint, brush or hobby tool. You've never played a modern iteration of the Warhammer games. Yet you're posting in what is essentially the TOW thread. You're full of shit. It's ok to admit you've bought things from GW, no one cares.
Some mad lad hackerman (aka shitty internet connection) had the site bug out and the map started displaying symbols it wasn't supposed to yetESTALIA CONFIRMEDDOGS OF WAR (Southern Realms) CONFIRMEDProbably will tie into the Total War DLC later this year
>>94814283there is that rumour that GW will show a Video game in tomorrow's reveal might be related to that but Gw hasn't updated that website at least from a customer basis since Orcs and Goblins release
>>94814283Look unless skaven are confirmed to have wood elf and """""female"""""" Bretonians as breeding tools I dont care what comes out of total war.
>>94814297They actually updated it today in fact; added a lot of Border Prices stuff which might tie into the rumor border princes campaign.These hidden Estalia badges are 100% new though.
>>94814301It's not from Total War, its the offical TOW website.
>>94814313Border princes were already on the map since TOW launched though
>>94814335Some were, but they added new ones literally today.
>>94814341could you give some examples?
>>94814248My entire collection is a mix of 3rd party, printed, or from Chang, every model I've ever purchased has been 3rd party, printed, or from Chang. Have you never heard of Reaper? Or Etsy? Kek>You don't own a single Citadel paint, brush or hobby tool.Correct, Scale75 and Vallejo only, brushes are from an independent quality manufacturer. What kind of fucking dipshit simp buys Citadel hobby tools, let alone brushes?>You've never played a modern iteration of the Warhammer games.Never touched shrimplified 40gay or Age of Trannyhammer, but will probably get back into 40gay when Chang stocks my army eventually.
from a mathematical perspective, is it a total waste to spend 90 points on a level 1 chaos sorcerer with the lore of dark magic solely for the purposes of a) having the model in your army because it looks cool and b) casting doom bolt as often as possible? I'm struggling to fit all the things that I want to have into a 2000 point list and this guy's wizard level is the last thing I can reasonably cut. I have a level 4 and a level 2 sorcerer as well.
>>94814382Yes, it's a total waste. Make him a Level 4 and he'll be casting Doombolt approximately 4 times as often, assuming your enemy has a L4 to dispel. Plus he's got 3 other spells to play with.That's 16 times as much spellpower for 2.5x the cost.
>>94814321they wouldnt tie it in with the game either way. GW and CA are way to grossly incompetent to pull that together
>>94814382ProbablyHave you considered Ruby Ring of Ruin? Gets you the sorcerer vibeEither way, you'd want him on a flank so the lvl 4 is likely to be out of range.
>>94814475probably guess we might get that rumoured Border Pinrce/Dogs of War AJ shown off tomorrow if all that map leak is accurate
>>94814382Math wise a lvl 3 and lvl 4 with a few extra spare points would make a lot more sense than 1, 2 and 4 imo. You can use the extra 15p to give the lvl3 an Arcane familiar to give it doombolt if you want. And that spell is going to be a lot more consistent with a +3 and a +1
>>94812809DEY HEAR
>>94814283>we could get Dogs of War at some pointWould GW dare be so based?
bit dusty because the model hasnt been touched for a yearbut thoughts on my wood elf paintscheme? (more the colour choice etc)
>>94814574>Wood Elf>brown>greenGroundbreaking stuff there anon
>>94814574I like it, but I think the whole scheme, especially the brighter tones, are a bit washed out and desaturated. Some harder contrast could really make it pop. Looks good though. What model is that, btw? I can't seem to find a decent elf proxy
>>94814469>>94814512I can't make him a level 4 (or a level 3, for that matter), because I already have one and I don't want to run two lord-level characters on principle. I also don't have the points to spare, as I'm trying to get a unit of 5 chosen chaos knights to fit into my list, which is already packed with a bunch of stuff that I can't cut because I want to have at least one unit bearing each god's mark. I get what you mean though, the math behind how magic works now really heavily favours level 4s. I just can't bring myself to take 2 sorcerer lords, it feels wrong and it's also too expensive points-wise. As for the arcane familiar, that's a fun way to use it, sniping a signature spell like that. I'll have to consider that for my level 4, he's a battle mage & that might be better than the tome of the dark gods + spell familiar he has right now.>>94814485The ruby ring of ruin, was the first magic item I cut from my list. The idea was to keep this sorcerer on the edges of the battlefield and using Doombolt's 24" range to stay just outside of the enemy level 4's dispel range, which would either go off and kill things or bait out my opponent's fated dispel. Then my level 2 daemonologist (lore familiar + power scroll) could cast steed of shadows safely. Even if my level 1 sorcerer only got a couple casts off per game, he would be helpful so long as he baits out that fated dispel. It's probably not a great strategy now that I'm writing it down, but I think it could work.I think I'll play a game or two with my level 1 sorcerer in the list and see how it works out. I really like the model I painted up to represent him and I want to include it in my list, but if he'd be useless it'd defeat the purpose of bringing him in the first place. Thank you all for the advice, I'll make good use of it.
>>94814574Agree with >>94814610, looks flat. Git gud at shading
>>94814621>I really like the model I painted up to represent him and I want to include it in my listI got Queek and I just use him as a generic claw lordRule of cool trumps what I said, gl anon
>le moonlightDoes anyone else think this looks like dogshit?
Do branch wyches have any applications
>>94814651It looks really good in that picture. As an actual army on an actual table in an actual store, it would look pretty stupid
>>94814610its a glade guard model
>>94814651Could probably use a massive oil wash.
>>94814651It looks good, when its part of a diorama. On the table it would look weird.
>>94814297that new studio with the MMO guy lead is supposed to be working with the fantasy IP but that sounded like it was a long way off yet. >>94814283not sure the shields confirm factions that'll be getting ranges in the game at this point.
>TQ I like bolt-throwers. there's something so kino in a giant crossbow.>>94810711I absolutely love the model and the lore behind it.but man... It always bothered me that it has the strength it has. I can't see them doing anything more than S4 hits.>>94811594I still play 8th but am seriously considering finding ppl to try WAP with. it looks like a lot of fun and a natural transition from 8th. I really dislike how TOW killed all the various independent scenes right when they had finally started to take off. it's the nature of the beast, and it was always an inevitability. I just think we lost something having it all go back withing GW's control.>>94812547if they somewhat sold it at the price I bought it from back in the day (€50) I'd but it again in a heartbeat.>>94813414I think you're right, it's the natural course of things but I still think we're losing something there.
Some lore bits I found interesting from the Empires AJ.>The Grand Duchy of Talabec is made up of the combined states of Talabecland, Stirland, "parts of" Ostermark and Sylvania, but still treats them as semi-independent provinces, in comparison to Westerland and Osterlund that seems to have just eaten other provinces.>Averheim is currently an independent city state from Averland.>Each state has made up new Elector seats to say that have the most Elector votes to be Emperor. This might explain why Sylvania and Sudenland are back as one of the claimants may have seen fit to re-establish these provinces to get more votes.
drill your barrels.
>>94814773I had heard opposite and it was going to be a 40k MMO i also think if it was to be a Fantasy MMO AoS seem more likely than TOW
>>94814872>>94814773There’s already a fantasy mmo.It’s a Chinese mobile game. Where you only play as chaos.
>>94814885i think your conflating two mobile games anonthere was a mobile MMO setin Warhammer Fantasy called warhammer odyssey which was cancelled when the developers stop production to work on a NFT game and then went bankrupt
>>94814651I'm not a fan of any strong OSL effects, because in order to be that visible they'd need to be pretty much in darkness, meaning the colours on the unlit side should basically be greys and blacks rather than the vibrant colours you usually see. These moonlight guys suffer from the same issue
>>94814872no the 40k game is a total war title or at least headed by creative assembly, the mmo studio Jackalyptic is making a warhammer fantasy game, possibly an mmo. >>94814885yeah it's not that
Two guys with hammers tried to mug me on my way to my game tonight. They were so baffled by my Brettonians when they opened my bag that they just let me go though lmao
>>94814850Really like the current state of the Empire. It being a mess is better for a war game than it being so unified
>>94814560I could see it; the mercs so far have been marked as Dogs of War explicitly and it would be an EASY and NOSTALGIC way for them to add a new army
>>94814968what did they think you were carrying, Gold?
>>94814850The new map makes the area west of the Soll tiny. Solland must've been huge next to Wissenland before they were combined and re-divided to make Sudenland in the south
>>94815009Even if his story were true (muggers don't check the box, they grab and run)He may have a case that looks like a toolbag/toolbox
>>94814850>Each state has made up new Elector seats to say that have the most Elector votes to be Emperor. This might explain why Sylvania and Sudenland are back as one of the claimants may have seen fit to re-establish these provinces to get more votes.Yeah I really liked this both because it shows the elector system crumbling, and also because it explains all the independent cities. Electors give a city its independence and raise them to the status of elector, and then the city is able to betray and turn its back on the state
>>94812809towddlers love this shit
>>94814968>>94815034Are you sure you didn't just meet some tradies who wanted to see your tools?
>inb4 wrong crewpainted up this Helblaster Volley Gun the other day. Now working on two great cannons.
Sorry for the crappy picture.But also finished up these Empire Knights just in time for a tourney.
How many gors would I need for an infantry focused beastmen list? Roughly
>>9481516430-40 in some lists. They are very cheap.
>>94815164Gors are very good, so you can have basically as many as you want.Theyre cheap, fast and fight pretty well. They can also skirmish. Knock yourself out really, but I wouldnt go above like 40 or something.
>>94812809Women and Nonwhites now coming to the old setting. Get ready, given how you guys kept making fun of AoS for it.
>>94815110That black looks nice and glossy. I love it! Good work, anon.
>>94815331>nonwhitespeople are hyping up for a entire russian faction to come to the old world. I think we know what they want.
>>94815436>I think we know what they want.warm water ports?
are nurgle forsaken worth utilizing
>>94815600>Get Fearnot unless you're running a brick of 40
>>94815600i read that as foreskin
>>94815632>The smegma of Nurgle
>>94815600If you want a unit that's green and slimy and that causes fear, yes. However, fear on a unit that costs 19 points per model is not great. I would say you're better off having a unit of nurgle warriors.
>>94813366>The reason is that people want to see the cool fancy shit, not the sort of kitbash they can do right now at home.The highest quality stuff isnt the most popular because of the evil corporations or because Big Hobby(tm) is controlling the algorithm, but because those are the videos the most people want to watch, because for every person that wants to find an easy way to make XYZ theres several more people who just want to see something cool.Total fucking horseshit. And we know that for a fact because the algorithm is supposed to personalise your experience of the site based on *your* preferences and yet even people who express a clear preference through their viewing and search habits for those smaller, simpler, more relatable and authentic channels *still get served corposloppa*.It doesn't matter what people *want* to watch or make, they serve you the same content regardless and so only those who produce that kind of content experience signficiant success. Ask real human hobbyists for recommendations for YT channels and it's stuff like Sonic Sledgehammer or telling you to try the less-corporatized model kit building community channels instead, nobody who's not a dimwit fully captured by the slopgorithm is out there recommending Ninjon or that moustachio'd serial killer looking fucker. All the shilltubers were making "content" trying to flog whatever paint brand was paying them off, but ask actual humans who to check for paint reviews and if they say anyone it'll be Stahly. The current Warhammer "influencer" market is not organic and it is definitely not a result of audience preference, so fuck off James.
>>94816027God fucking damnit >>94813366 annoyed me so much I forgot to correct your shitty formatting.
>>94814651It will look sick lined up on the table and shit by turn 3 when units are facing different directions
>>94812809>coloreds in a medieval fantasy setting.Just why...
>>94813691>healthcare is non-existent92% of Americans have health insurance
>>94816138>Medieval settinglol.
>>94812809>Black women as empire knightsIncredibly pozzed, GW needs to grow some balls and quality control.No one plays WFB to larp as modern day london except GW staff apparently
>>94816226Shut upYeah it's not purely historical, but that is obviously the vibe and theme. Black women as knights are obviously out of place for the same reason your hero using a toyota camry as a mount would be out of place.
>>94816287>vibe>themeYeah hahah no.
>>94816027The algorithm tailors content to you, yes, but it's not necessarily what will make you most happy. They serve you whichever content they think will make you spend the most time on their platform, whether that means things you like, things a lot of people are watching, or things which make you mad so you'll watch again and comment, it really doesn't matter
>>94816239>He plays so he can self insert lol, lmao. Thats kinda weird! The games objective is to see which awful grotesque power comes up on top.
Do you prefer current AoS night goblins or the once sold as old world night goblins ?
>>94815331The difference WHF has something to fall back on - the glory days of old. AoS doesnt have an Oldhammer scene devoid of DEI slop, its been gay since its inception.
>>94815331>Paint the models how you likeExpect dont include woman and black skin, as that can hurt my feelingLol. Lmao
>>94816801Some dude has an assorted range of goblins ranging from aos, whf, and third party. Its cool.
>>94814968Is that normal in your shithole?
I really like the idea of playing in a period where Sigmar worship hasn't strongly taken hold yet. I don't know if it fits this time period though, considering the grand theogonist already holds a vote as an elector. That said, I only just noticed that each of the four strongest states are closely aligned with a different god, which is a cool element.
>>94816871He never said they were in his ass, you freak.
why don't they just put a bunch of these in front of Skaven sewer grates?
>>94816898They can't find any large enough to kill a Skaven.
>>94816886I think he was talking about his country, not his voluptuous anus. Get your mind out of the gutter.
>>94816856Sounds fine if I had a bunch, but not sure what box to get
>>94816926Whatever’s cheaper, or whatever you want to paint. If you go with Aos get a round conversion tray or buy squares separately instead.
How chivalrous are Empire Knights compared to Bretonnian Knights?
>>94817039Empire knights are probably more grounded than anything that comes out of brettonia.
>>94813400I still don't get why GW hasn't give these guys the fusillade rule back.
>>94816871I have never experienced it but a mate told me a similar thing had happened to him in the same spot so clearly it's a theme
>>94815034I was on my bike with an Uber eats bag on, I think they thought I had an ebike, cash and a load of curry. They also didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing
>>94813400>>94813407Yes, the Road Wardens are bascially a better version of them for 10-20 points more.
>>94817141Where do you live? Birmingham?
>Be Regiment>Renowned Pistolier Regiment>Men and Woman can apply>Of Noble Blood>Called yourself Scions of Ulric Because you're barracked in Middenheim.Do the writers even know the material?
>>94814283>Bilbali in tabletopHuh, neat
>>94817039Well to figure that you have to look at their places in society, In Bretonnian the nobility has a stranglehold on society and thus social mobility is impossible. If you are born a peasant you will die one. Merchants are probably treated worse. It is near impossible to win a Bretonnian knight's respect.In the Empire social mobility is a thing and it is accepted that a lowly state troop can one day rise in the ranks and even earn the respect of a knight of the empire. Merchants also play a bigger role in the Empire. Oh an Empire knight will still see themselves as better than the commoner or merchant, but it is possible to earn their respect.
>>94817141manchester
>>94817275At least the Muggers didn't have a knoife loicense.
>>94817209well they couldn't call them the sons of ulric as that's a diffrent regiment based in middenheim
>>94814301that's already been canonised in the description of hellpitit's just that they're breeding tools for their creations, not for skaven themselves
>>94817127nice Ogres too, who won that skirmish?
>>94814963On that Note Return of Reckoning is not only perfectly playable, but also solid fun.
>every High Elf player Ive encountered has been a femboy
>>94817672You're playing Helf too?
Look at these beefy boys.
>>94817734not rusty enough.
>>94811171 the bases looks much better than the gw ones, what are those ?
>>94817747YOU are rusty
This guy is using a 50mm base, isn't he?
>>94817769unlike your skaven. Clean ass mouse niggad.
>>94817767Greenstuff world flar mdf basesReally like them so farhttps://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/249-square
>>94817787ye
>>94812890tf does this comes from ? old codex are all black and white.
>>94817844the Warhammer Armies book for Third edition
>>94816027>It doesn't matter what people *want* to watch or make, they serve you the same content regardlessThe algorithm serves you the stuff people watch anon. People want to watch Ninjon or that overly happy dude that has bodies in his basement, so they get recommended by the algorithm because they get good engagement. There isnt some evil corpo at youtube who decided "yes, these are the channels we will arbitrarily make big and successful", nor did GW mail them a list of the approved youtubers to allow success, people did that. All the youtube algorithm does is try and give you content other people like and want to watch in the hopes you will like it and want to watch it. >Ask real human hobbyists for recommendations for YT channels and it's stuff like Sonic SledgehammerI have never heard of this channel, so I think I found its issue (and yours, by extension). You take your and your particular social groups niche views and interests as representative, and then assume the disparity between that and the mass market must be conspiracy. I dont know who sonic sledgehammer is, I have never heard of them until now, maybe they make genuinely good content. But the difference between them and the big channels, even if those big channels might be "worse" according to whatever metric, is that those big channels are what people want to watch, they do the things that people reward with views. >but ask actual humans who to check for paint reviews and if they say anyone it'll be StahlyNever heard of them either. >The current Warhammer "influencer" market is not organic and it is definitely not a result of audience preference,James Workshop did not dispatch his corporate space marines to force Susan from youtube to make people watch Miniac or Ninjon or Juan Hidalgo or cult of paint. People did that on their own.
>>94816027>>94817889>even people who express a clear preference through their viewing and search habits for those smaller, simpler, more relatable and authentic channels *still get served corposloppa*.because the algorithm does not differentiate between "based soulful conversion using a bunch of spare parts and some duct-tape" and "onions corposcop conversion using three tubs of milliput and seven different kits"Its all just "warhammer, hobbying, painting" under the algorithmic tags. So when you watch one, the algorithm sees what general topics you are interested in, and then recommends you the most popular stuff from those topics because that is statistically whats most likely to satisfy you. Because statistically those videos are probably what other people who watched the videos you watch have watched and enjoyed (maintained audience retention).You might be into age of decadence or some more obscure and esoteric CRPG, but the algorithm is going to recommend you BG3 because thats the biggest thing in the genre and therefore mathematically whats most likely to please you. > nobody who's not a dimwit fully captured by the slopgorithm This is your problem, you have no theory of mind for normal people. The average person is not like you, or me, or anyone else here in the thread. The "average person" is some early 20s space marine player who buys the latest big character release with gusto and who just wants to see someone do something cool and unique and interesting on their youtube video as they apply contrast paint to their OC homebrew chapter that are some crossbreed of blood angels, space wolves and black templars. Those people outnumber you or me by some orders of magnitude, which is why the big channels are big and your (or mine) niche interest channels are smaller and largely irrelevant.
>>94816287Ah yes, the reptilian Aztecs, very medieval. >>94816336
>>94817919The algorithm does not exist to force a narrative or opinion, the algorithm is based on the narrative or opinion the masses already hold. It is simply seeing what the most people watch the longest and going "this is what people like so this is what I should recommend to people" because it exists to get people to watch videos and nothing more. And to preempt you:Are there topics that might be suppressed or artifically boosted? Absolutely. You will not find them in miniature wargaming. This isnt politics, this isn't mass music, this isn't something that literally anyone at YouTube even knows exists. There isnt a memo in some secret office to make sure that only GW approved paints be used in tutorials lest someone get disappeared into a van never to be seen again. No one at youtube is concerned that if people watch a tutorial on how to make oldschool style terrain or conversions its going to lead to some giant scandal which will see the companies DEI score go down. All youtube does is give people the stuff that people are statistically likely to watch in the hopes they watch it, because all youtube wants is for you to watch videos and therefore ads.
>>94816027The algorithm doesn't even know the difference between the fancy shit and a simple kit bash. For all intents and purposes their contents may as well be the same.,
>be imperial state trooper>good at my job, put down the occasional beastman>all of a sudden all the conflict stops>pure peaceful bliss for 10 years>it abrupty ends>now it's nothing but fighting off flying horses from brettonia, skeleton cultists and dragons every week
>>94818118No Chaos to fight anon?
>>94818118Find a better area to fightI am fighting plenty of proper armies with rank and file units
>>94817734Noice
>>94818136>dragons
>>94817734Seconding what the anon says, theyre too shiny. The silver armor also blends together with the grey fur.
>>94810707>TQ: What is you favourite war machine?Helblaster Volley Gun, pic related is mine. Always a blast to play.>>94815105Based and blasterpilled. Making a Sollander army?>>94811594I have a gaming group of dozen or so players of various activity playing WAP9th, organizing a handful of tournaments each yea. I know there are at least a couple other small groups in the country playing it.Some people in my group have branched out to TOW on the side, but haven't been impressed enough to make it their primary game.>>94811684Hardly so. It seems so mainly because the people giving it the most visibility online moved on. And to be frank, even the batreps that were made usually contained some pretty major rules misinterpretations, sometimes leading to really strange balance complaints.
>>94817672Because the only people that play high elves are either twinks that fantasize about their elves getting plowed by beastmen or chaos cock, or weirdos that made sure each and every one of their elves had blonde hair and blue eyes Or both
>>94818251Mmh, maybe I'll add some watered down paint in the recesses as a final touch.
>>94818337Could work, maybe give the armor a bit of a wash (maybe grey or black to make it grimier, maybe blue to make it more "cold steel") so it isnt so unformly shiny (or alternatively try make it look even shinier, proper gleaming silver stuff). Because currently its just all a bit grey.
>>94817844You're the coomer clicking on slop just because it has a woman in the thumbnail
>>94818456would a Coomer even get baited by such a generic thumbnail?
>>94817844Anon how can you paint warhammer and not know how lighting works. Like you know that meme about how the 'eavy metal painting style makes women look worse? Thats not a meme, thats literally how lighting works
>>94818654yes
>>94818654Think you underestimate their hornyness
>>94817141>currySay no more
Thought of a fun combo. Exalted champion on demonic mount in wolves of the sea with a pair of skinwolf "hunting hounds" accompanying him. Per RAW their mutations affect attached characters, and thats not been FaQd. So you can make your exalted champ pretty killy or tough.
Is the orc and goblin battallion any good? ..Does not seems like any of the units, maybe beside the chariots, are used much? (Would love for rank and file units, like the orc mob was much more useful somehow)
>>94819124Every unit in it is pretty good, so sure? OnG are a very powerful army, even their regular stuff is just very well costed.
I was reading an old Lizardmen army book.I always thought they were a race in terrible decline, but it doesn't clearly say anywhere that their numbers are dwindling.Maybe only the Slann are dwindling in number, and the connection to the Old Ones gets weaker (as the Cult of Sotek endures).The rest of the Lizardmen are doomed, in the far future, to a life without Slanns and to become unga bunga like those in the Southlands or Dragon Isles. But they would still dwell in their jungles and eat bananas and rats.It seems like many abandoned sites were either old temples that dead Slann wanted to preserve or areas that the living Slann commanded to leave in disrepair on purpose (yes this is also in the army book).Am I wrong?Is the Skink and Saurus population slowly disappearing as the old temples crumble?
>>94818301Yours, too. Nah, just Averland. Although, Solland would be cool.>>94815425Thanks!
>>94818663download faceapp for free, try it on one singular pic, then rewrite this here.
>>94819220It's more about the spawning pools. They're all working on autopilot, so every one that gets poisoned by skaven or ruined or whatever means the next generation is a certain amount smaller.
>>94819434I also thought so: Spawning Pools were made by the Old Ones and no new Spawning Pools can be made.I am not 100% sure of this though.
>>94819220the only place where we've seen a shortage of saurians is the southlands, where skinks picked up a larger part of the needs of their armies, but otherwise you're correct, there's no real imminent decline of their population like there is with the slannbut since the decline in saurus in the southlands is correlated with the loss of late generation slann, perhaps as the slann disappear so will the sauri
>>94819124It's an excellent start to your collection. Even if it isn't tip-top uber-meta competitive players approved, that doesn't mean the models aren't worth collecting, painting and playing with.
Hello, I was looking for a quote the other day about the halfling gods being called weak in comparison to a god like ulric. I went through 2e and couldn't find it so I'm assuming it's in 4e
>>94813965Yes, my childhood friend's dad did this. It only jingled when he moved his head really quickly though. Probably in a fight he'd make more noise.
>>94819853Ok.
>>94814968In Burgerland, people used to put their armies in gun cases until people had enough armies stolen out of their cars to wise up.
>>94819853Sorry anon, I read those old rulebooks a lot for fun and I can't remember that detail at all.Must be in some "Ulric" part because I'm rather familiar with the Halfling lore. I may be wrong.
>>94819853It's probably in the wfrp core book in the section about miracles, if not I know there's a bit about halflings in Archives of the Empire vol 1.
im a bit confused regarding the ogre ironguts kit.Basically it gives me 4 ironguts and then another 2 ogres i can build as the bellower and Standard bearer giving me squad of 6 ironguts, only 4 of them using anything that isnt found in the vanilla ogre bull kit?Only asking this because i read somewhere that one could get 8 ironguts out of the kit if one sacrifices 2 torsos from a bull or leadbelcher kit, however it seems i can barely get 4 actual great weapon iron guts with metal helmets and special gutplates?
>>94820014That doesn't sound right - does the Standard look like the Ironguts standard with the iron face or the Bulls standard with the banner?
Is someone going to bake before all the previews that are going to happen in the night?
>>94820158the previews are 9 hours away, right?
>>94820181yeah, I'm not saying bake a new thread now, just before the previews start.
>>94820046yes the unique standard is included, also i checked and its 6 unique, metal plated heads.So it allows you to build 6 iron guts, however there are only 4 great weapons included, so its as i suspected. You can build a squad of 6, however this has to include standard and bellower, as you only get 4 great weapons.This is kind of irreleveant, but anyway: i got 2 spearhead ogre boxes and ironguts, one spearhead is already fully built.If possible, should i turn 2 of the second batch of 4 leadbelchers into ironguts, thus giving me 8 ironguts and 6 leadbelcher total?I really love leadbelchers and would love to build and field the full 8 of them, however i heard they suck bad in TOW and in 6th youll never bring more than 4-6 really. (ill play those two editions)
>>94814181THEY HEABox of Free Company arrived, its a big box and the sprues look neat, can't wait to get assembling them.On another note, progress on the castle map, what else belongs into an Empire Castles courtyard?
Is a naked dragon ogre better than a chaos spawn
>>94814283You should work on those white outlines of shields. Compared to how even the current ones are, some of these look pretty bad.
>>94820244Yes. Dogres in general are very good right now, even if I personally don't like them. I run three chaos spawn myself and they're completely useless. Very fun when you roll high, mind you, but completely useless otherwise.
>>94820244As long as it looks hot.
>>94820231gotcha covered
>>94820244Depends entirely on what you want to use and abuse it for, darling. The scaled *bits* are certainly an argument in favour of the Droger, but some crowds believe the flexibility and variety you can find in Spawn more than makes up for their usual hideousness. Ultimately we can't answer that without knowing whether the particular Spawn will have all the features that satisfy your cravings.
>>94820236They hea
What are some standout units for Dark Elves? No dragons as I wanted to actually move away from using my entire army as a tarpit while my dragon does everything.
>>94819973ill take a look thanks >>94819966its entirely possible they don't mention ulric in the quote but it did say something to the effect of the halfling gods not being as strong as OTHER GOD
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>>94820450Executioners and Black Guards because I like how they look.
>>94820510You think fimir are joining beastmen?
>>94820526I love Black Guard, but so far in the games I've played they have just been Spearmen+ and either been used as fodder shot off the board or just tarpit for stuff which hurts more, I was excited to see the halberds going in 2 ranks but S4 doesn't seem to really hurt people, most of my games are against Dwarf players though. I haven't been able to get my hands on the older executioners so I haven't been able to run any of them sadly.
>>94820541I have hope, it's not much but it's the only hope I have so I can stop proxying them as Minotaurs.
>>94817844lmao
>>94820627it would fit a bog-themed army of infamy, especially if they throw in the dreadmaw and basilisk too
>>94820712Oh and some of the Tamurkhan stuff now I think about it, a swamp/nurgle themed AoI. Damn that would be really cool, shame it's not going to happen.
>>94817844Cowards
>>94820712I wouldn't mind fimirs, but frankly I don't see them fit. Beastmen army consists of those forest horrors of chaos that dwell just behind the walls of cities and just wait to butcher you if you dare to come out. Fimirs, daemonspawns, from Albion, would be kinda odd addition.
>>94820774Fimir aren't from Albion, and their whole thing is very much existing on the borders of civilisation, just they'll do other things to you besides kill if you dare come out. Hell the main place they live is the Wasteland.
>>94820541I really do like the Fimir look
>>94820786>and their whole thing is very much existing on the borders of civilisation,Thats a pretty packed niche already, you got what.. beastmen, greenskins, regular human bandits, all inhabiting that elusive niche of "on the borders of civilisation"
>>94820809Sure but being animalistic bastard children of chaos who live on the outskirts of civilisation killing and kidnapping the people who aren't careful enough seems to make them fit into the beastman mould imo. Certainly better than any others (including Norsca which I know they're put in in TWW).
>>94820774>those forest horrors of chaos that dwell just behind the walls of cities and just wait to that's fimir, dudeway more than it is dragon ogres too
>>94820839I don't disagree.If Fimir teamed up with anyone, it would be Beastment, seeing how they loathe humans of all variety. You could explain it that Fimir want to become the premier servants of Chaos and manipulate the Beastment into destroying human civilisation.
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>>94820973Thanks for the Battallion Box, Bozo.
I like anons are prepping for the reveals like it'll be anything beyond the next book (Beastmen), a character (the shamany looking dude) and a unit coming backChill homies>>94820771Some anons have never seen a woman without makeup
Whats a good base for marauder berserkers? No, not the regular BDSM viking marauders, those models suck.
>>94821064?
>>94820861I don't think it would need an explanation, just "They're pretty similar creatures so often ally or one bullies the other into joining its warband," would work. It makes more sense for Fimir to be chilling with beastmen than dragon ogres imo.
>>94821098Top have some potential, even if the weapons look bad. The skull masks are a vibe.
>>94821101I don't know, Fimir (from the times I was playing 1 ed of WFRP) were kind of daemonspawn species with distinct culture that generally keeps to itself and didn't mix up with other chaos creatures. Also I wouldn't put dragon ogres on beastmen sheet if that was my call - they should stick with WoC.
>>94818654Apparently yes, refer image below.
>>94821098these guys are much bigger than even primaris I think.
>>94821209quick search says they're 45mm tall, dunno how tall chaos marauders and warriors are exactly there's always avatars of war too
>>94821256>quick search says they're 45mm tall, dunno how tall chaos marauders and warriors are exactlyNot 45mm. Consider how wide a 50mm base is. Those guys are almost that tall. Your average human is supposed to be 28mm. Now modern GW models are a bit bigger, but not by that much. >>there's always avatars of war tooDont think they do much except printshit any more.
>>94821266>Your average human is supposed to be 28mmisn't that 28mm at the eye? with chaos soldiers and warriors being taller?
Would any WFRP guys have any recommendation for supplements using the starter set? Don't want to start over with characters since it's only semi regular, would anything in Ubersreik work?
>>94821372what do you mean by Supplements?since there are a lot of already pre-made adventures set in Ubersreik if you want to use those
>>94821375stuff like Ubersreik adventures or the rough nights books?
>>94821389ROugh Nights Hard Days only has one Adventure in Ubersreik so I'm not sure i would recommended that one if you purealy looking to stay in the confines on that one citythe Uberieks Adventure books are decent and at least contain extra contents along with the pre-made adventures
>>94821320Chaos Warriors are taller than regular humans, yes. Theyre around 33/35mm tall or something.
>>94821064I quite like those marauders. They're not BDSM marauders, they're cool marauders. I wish I could find the even older metal marauders, though. Those guys were the coolest, they all had metal helmets that completely hid their faces.
>>94821431Yea the old metal ones are sick.
>>94821400thanks anon will look into the adventures in ubersreik, basically just want one that can follow on from teh starter with nothing added other than scenarios and gear. I heard the enemy within stuff is good but seems like you'd want to put more thought into it and more regular sessions.
>>94821446if you want some more items and gear you might also need Up in Arms as that provides a lot basis for a lot of different weapons and ammunition typesalso Archive of Empire Vol 2 which has an Enchanted items table as well which you might find usefulthe Enemy Within stuff is generally useful but I you are just setting your camping in Ubersriek I don't think it's necessary unless you players really care about the Jungfreuds and Ubersreik takeover plotline since that somewhat ties in to TEW however loosely
>>94821101>>94821128That said, if we got Dimir with the beastmen, then they would fit well with the dragon ogres in a kind of "ancient races" army. You could also add a chaos giant for sky-titans and ally in a dragon I guess.
>>94821256The chaos warriors from 1997 are ~30mm, the chaos warriors from 2004 are ~36mm and the chaos marauders that are currently being used for TOW are ~31mm, per my measurements. The super glossy look really doesn't look nice up close, but the attached picture is for reference. These are the models I just measured. The height of their bases was taken into account.
>>94821483I guess I'll see if items become a talking point while we go through adventures and keep those in mind. The enthusiasm is there but not the regular timeslots.
>>94821499That could also be a cool AoI actually, a kind of not necessarily pro-chaos but anti old one army if that makes sense.
>>94821553Its hard to have "not pro chaos" when you have dragon ogres and fimir in there. Both races made their choice sorta firmly.
>>94821431>They're not BDSM maraudersThey are alvisanon, protest all you want but they are. They wear picrelated.
made the new thread, as promised >>94822299>>94822299>>94822299
>>94817391 It's the fact that Pistoliers uses black powder weapons, a sure sign of cowardness and weakness for Ulricans. It makes as much sense as Dwarfs starting to cast fireballs left and right
>>94815110Be brave, Klaus. Be brave for Franz
>>94816878>playing in a period where Sigmar worship hasn't strongly taken hold yet.So pre-Empire
>>94814968Missed opportunity, could've brought warhams to the Pakistani community
>>94817039Bretonnian Knights of the Realm and Knights Errant are roughly equal in terms of martial skill, but would be better horsemen with better horses, and their adherence to the rules and ideals of chivalry is strong. Questing Knights would be elites on par with knightly order members, and their chivalry is zealous to the point of religion. Grail Knights are stronger than any mortal man period, and their chivalry is infallibly absolute.>>94817231>a lowly state troop can one day rise in the ranks and even earn the respect of a knight of the empireEarn the respect of one, sure. Become one, absolutely fucking not. A high-performing Bretonnian peasant could become a yeoman or warden, maybe even a squire if they're a nobleman's bastard. But knighthood and governance in Bretonnia is genuinely best left to the nobility, they are literally perfect eugenic specimens bred for war and just governance.
>>94820774Fimir are very similar to Dragon Ogres lore-wise except very much not infertile. They could easily fit into both Beastmen and WoC
>>94818118who is the james sunderland of warhammer fantasy?
