Previous: >>94827673>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:What theme (enchantress, counters, aristocrats etc) needs more support in 2025 and how are you hoping that support will look?
>tqThey just need to make more pretty angels, vampires, and elves.
>>94842318Coombrained post
>>94842296pests
>>94842328Baitfag post. Here's your (you).
>>94842337He's correct.
I WANT CURSES TO BE GOODI WANT A CURSE DECK TO BE VIABLEI DON'T WANT THEM TO JUST BE ANOTHER TYPE OF AURA TO BE SPLASHED INTO ANY ENCHANTRESS DECKYOU MADE A HORROR THEMED SET IN 2024 KNOWING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO REPRINT INNISTRAD JUST A FEW MONTHS LATER AND YOU DIDN'T PRINT ANYTHING TO MAKE CURSE TRIBAL WORK
>>94842339Nah, anyone using post 2016 lingo is wrong.
>>94842343it's dead
>>94842349Type needs a complete overhaul. There's maybe 7 or so good curses. But almost all of them are overcosted and slow.Need to print some more at 3 or 4 mv max, couple 2s and 1s would be peak
>stupid wackey races set coming put.>no ratfink secret lair.Why does wotc hate fun? Their new sets are so soulless and obviously designed by corporate suits.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94842343Lynde can be pretty strong though?
Rate my idea>5 colorless>legendary enchantment>If you have only one commander, [this card] can be your second commander. Before the game choose a color, [this card] is that color.>Eminence: While [this card] is in the command zone, you cannot cast spells from the command zone other than [this card]
>>94842296>TQMulticolor matters, more stuff like this, 4c Aragorn, and 5c Omnath that care about multicolor spells. Granting spell keywords like cascade or splitsecond to multicolor noncreature spells. Probably most at home in the Final Fantasy set.
>>94842382In what world? Lynde fucking sucks bro.>does nothing to actually help you get curses out (effect only brings them back from grave if they were put there from battlefield)>curses have to stay attached to you for almost a full rotation which means many of them will trigger on you>at your upkeep you can only move one to another player so too fucking bad if someone destroyed 2 or more curses in a rotation and you don't have a trigger doubler
>>94842296>What theme (enchantress, counters, aristocrats etc) needs more support in 2025 and how are you hoping that support will look?ORC TRIBAL
How about you fags play instead of talking all day?>cockatrice>0-7 is the name>PW is tg
>>94842405skill issue
>>94842387Gay and broken.
>>94842416Yeah man inherent design flaws are skill issues.It's my fault that Ghen Arcanum Weaver is an objectively better curse commander despite not even having "curse" in his text.
>>94842419How broken? Essentially paying an extra 5 commander tax from the start of the game for 1 additional color in your identity seems pretty fair. I mean you could just run Kenrith instead.
>>94842412>1/2just go play histortic brawl on arena nigga
>>94842433>play on an app that demands money for cardsAnon, are you a faggot? maybe a little piss baby who can only win because he whales money into companies?
>>94842422You build your deck to negate the downside it's why i said skill issue. If you can't do that and take advantage or a pretty powerful card advantage engine and protection piece that will make sure your curses stay on the battlefield without having to spend any mana to bring them back, then idk what you're doing? Commanders with downsides makes the game more interesting and forces you to learn how to build decks and get better at it.
>>94842438nobody outside of arena likes historic brawl and duel commander is a meme, 4 players or bust.
>>94842438i play there to test out ideas for free. But i also have been playing on and off since war of the spark on the app so i have most of the cards and pretty much get most cards i need.
>>94842451>I have most of the cards
>>94842443>You build your deck to negate the downside it's why i said skill issue.Enlighten me, anon. Because there are very few cards in the came that let you move auras to other targets. So when you cast a curse that triggers when the cursed player is attacked, it blows up and gets stuck on you for a whole rotation before you can move it again, what do you do about that?And when you have a curse on every player, and someone plays something that destroys all enchantments, so now at least 3 curses are on you and you can only remove 1 per rotation, what do you do about that? When someone waits a rotation and then pops Lynde before your upkeep so even if you recast her you miss the window to move the curses off you, what do you do about that?
Gay Bolas
>>94842428>I mean you could just run Kenrith instead.Yep.
>>94842343Funny thing is they printed a card that's a curse for all intents and purposes, then didn't give it curse typing.Honestly fuck curses. Degenerate-ass playstyle.
>>94842412I'm not really interested in playing 1v1s but genuinely thanks for at least trying to expose /tg/ as nogames.
>>94842466There's multiple things you can do without having to move auras around anon, that honestly if curses weren't kinda boring and on rails makes her quiet interesting. You can sacrifice the permanents. Now we also have multiple ways to sacrifice enchantments for positive effects in grixis. Then you can if it ever happens and really shouldn't since you're a grixis player that all the curses ends up on you. You could do that. You know like the keyword bargain and i think the duskmourn set also had some sacrifice enchantment stuff going on. You could also run extra upkeeps i guess but i think it's kinda risk-reward thing here. Certainly makes the game more interesting. You could also double her trigger or stifle the bad triggers i guess? Also blue has some neat curses and copying of curses also, kinda neat. Also you're in blue so keep protection up for her? Idk if it happens that she dies like that you could always sacrifice them all with a claws of gix and run a few more recursion pieces like crystal chimes? She's an interesting commander imo, especially as she has a downside but also major upsides.
>>94842560Nobody joined.. I joined another lobby.. Damned pussies
WHY DOES THIS OVERPOWERED CARD EXIST? WHY DID THEY PRINT FAREWELL THAT ONLY COSTS 4 MANA?
>>94842466I forgot you could also run cards like harmless offering or switcheroo cards like role reversal or shifting grift. Taking someone's smothering tithe while giving them a curse seems pretty funny.
>>94842564>You can sacrifice the permanents.>keyword bargain And while Lynde is on the field they come back to you fucking immediately because her effect isn't timed and isn't a "may".So sure you've gotten a benefit for sacking it, but you haven't solved the problem of it being fucking attached to you.>You could also run extra upkeeps>You could also double her trigger or stifle the bad triggers You're patching holes in a sinking ship. Literally dedicating resources to your own commander not completely fucking you over>if it happens that she dies like that you could always sacrifice them all with a claws of gix and run a few more recursion pieces like crystal chimes?I mean this is the smartest thing you've said but it still amounts to "when the plan goes wrong you have to sack your own commander, sack your own enchantments, and start from scratch">She's an interesting commander imoNo one is debating that.>she has a downside but also major upsides.She is about 70% downside. If she's your pet card or whatever, then fine. But I'm sorry. A lot of curses are expensive mana-wise, you don't want them attached to you for a rotation, and only getting to remove 1 from yourself per rotation is absolute ass.If Lynde's secondary effect was just>[U][B][R]: Attach a Curse attached to you to one of your opponents.It would be decent. Not amazing, but decent. As it is it is far too slow and it is way too easy to spend most of the game with your own fucking curses on you.The moment they print even a mediocre curse commander to compare her to, you will forget about her.>>94842553I genuinely think they went out of their way not to give that card curse typing for reasons I really can't imagine>Honestly fuck curses. Degenerate-ass playstyle.They're no different to creature effects that say "target player does xyz".I think they're interesting when they warp the game in ways other cards don't. But the shitty mill effects a lot of them come with are boring
>>94842585>I forgot you could also run cards like harmless offering or switcheroo cards like role reversal or shifting griftThese cards change control of the auras, they don't change what they are attached to.
>>94842592I don't know why that specific card doesn't have curse typing. It genuinely feels like an oversight.However I've watched t1 Curse of Opulence twice and both times I watched it just completely fuck someone for zero effort on the curse user's part. The actually good curses have an awful play pattern where you're just telling someone they don't get to play the game until they personally draw enchantment removal.
>>94842592Read Lynde again it's beginning of next end step the curses come back. Otherwise she would be completely broken with any sacrifice outlet and an etb enchantment creature. You can definitely manage the curses attached to you more easily then. And idk i feel you focus way too much on the scenario of all the curses has ended up on you. You have ways to mitigate it but you refuse to acknowledge them and think you have to start all over again when you don't really have to either if your plan falls through completely. And not dedicating deckbuilding resources towards what you're commander wants to do is incredibly strange desu. >>94842613sorry missed that rule part.
>>94842670Yeah I don’t think you appreciate how fucking bad it is to have multiple curses attached to you for a rotation and how few options you have to not be in that situationIf you’ve played her in a pod where no one punished her very obvious exploits than I guess I’m happy for you but that doesn’t change her card text>And not dedicating deckbuilding resources towards what you're commander wants to do is incredibly strange desu.You’re dedicating your resources to your Commander not fucking you over. That’s a completely different situation to dedicating resources to making your Commander betterAgain, while he doesn’t have blue, you can just play Ghen Arcanum Weaver as a curse tribal commander, self-mill and role tokens, and then pay 3 and a sack to bring curses back onto the field0 risk of having curses attached to you, you don’t have to pay any of the high costs a lot of curse cards haveIt is the better curse Commander and it doesn’t even name curses- that’s how bad Lynde is
>>94842296Any other good token generators for a sliver deck?I already got the sliver that makes slivers when a sliver deals combat damage
>>94842775Meh, you're being dense on purpose or something?
>>94842296Man I would love a new commander that just has Brainstorm written on the card text, I think that would be fucking great. Mono brown of course but it would be a perfect enabler for a Tron deck with the Urza lands
>>94842882
About to brew the Fang, got any secret sauce for it anon?
>>94842882Option 2
>>94842296>TQI kind of like to see a Naya Ally commander so I don’t have to build another 5 color or Tazri deck, then again last time I asked for something like this we got the Sauron for Grixis Amass and Sam Frodo for Abzan Lifegain precons, so hopefully I don’t Monkey’s Paw Naya Cloud Allies into existence.
>>94842909Don't tell anyone but I heard he's good with vehicles.
Do you think there's something to the idea of using this guy in Partner with Tormod the Desecrator in an Artifact Recursion deck? Using the Zombies almost exclusively as a Sac Outlet that fuels Artifacts.
>>94842968Forgive my retardery.
>>94842296Is there any way in mono black to punish the other players for having low life from all the black spells that make you lose life?
>>94842553>fuck curses. Degenerate-ass playstyle.It's a playstyle? How? It's just enchantments.Curse is as dumb and worthless as a type as arcane and trap.They need to stop making these new types or actually do something with them mechanically.
>>94842925Why are you like that anon?
I actually can't find direction for this commander without operating under the assumption my opponents are playing generic goodstuff garbage to steal.>Alright it's an obvious spider tribal commander let's see what my options are here.>Average spider is a 4-mana do nothing. These cards could have fucking hexproof and nobody would care. I sure fucking wouldn't.>Alright let's think about the other half, since you can enable it with fight/bite cards even if other spiders are shitty>6 mana food generator requires another card>Okay we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here. What's my payoff digging for Conspiracy or Maskwood Nexus?>Ward 2 and Deathtouch. You can steal random chump blockers.It feels like it would genuinely be easier to play Frodo and Sam for this gimmick. Am I missing some shit? Is this card's only strength stealing dinotimmy goodstuff?
>>94843094>>94842666
>>94843053there's multiple cards that do exactly that but I'm not telling
>>94843113I tried to make mine in the way that I have my spiders fight my non-spider creatures to reuse their ETBs, for example. It's a shame that there's a really not many fight effects that allow me to fight my own creatures.
>>94843113>doesn’t understand what the commander does>”Am I missing some shit?”Gee anon, it’s a real enigma
>>94843324Yeah wiseass that's why I'm asking.>Spider tribal (sucks)>Makes food (sucks at it)>Theft (gigashit plan since it relies on opponents walking into you)
>>94843324>theftIt literally doesn't steal anything, it's not Vraska.
>>94843343If I referred to it as a copy effect that would imply you could reliably copy something useful from your own deck which isn't the case when the condition is "creature deals damage to another creature"
>>94843367Have you considered Viridian Longbow or that one tribal staff that taps to damage shit and untaps when it kills shit?
>>94843113There's a few forage cards from bloomburrow. Maybe try going into an artifact synergy deck? Try making spiders by playing Riptide replicator.
>>94843387I did look at Thornbite Staff. It's a 2-mana Equip 4 (no white access so that cost is getting paid), that takes another 2 mana every time it's used. Your opponents will see it from a mile away. The payoff for it resolving is you make a bunch of food (again, barring the assumption your opponents have something to target which is super generic that also doesn't need creature status), which doesn't really translate to anything because again you already needed to find a specific card and play multiple expensive bombs.The big payoffs in food decks are card draw and ramp (see: Academy Manufacturer for the most generic example) because it's assumed food is easy to make, but with Shelob the food is 14+ mana of investment if you use Thornbite Staff. At that point you could have probably just played a bunch of mana dorks and used Shelob as a fatty for Overwhelming Stampede, but by then you really need to ask yourself if the commander is doing anything unique there. Using it for food feels backwards because typically the expensive card comes after making the food, not before.
>>94843388There's 7 forage cards total. While they're all legal in Shelob, none of them appear particularly good in the deck, clearly being aimed at squirrel tribal (which is FAR below Shelob in the curve it wants to play on).As for artifact synergy, that's a bit rough without blue access.
>>94843432It sounds a LOT like youd rather bitch and just play a generic green goodstuff pile with overrun effects. Why not just do that? You also completely ignored how both of those equipment dont specify an opponent's creature as a target requirement unlike most bite spells. "Why dont I just play a different deck??"Well do that and spare the shelob players your autism.
>>94843452???Yeah dude fuck me for pointing out that a 14 mana combo that takes multiple specific cards and doesn't set itself up in any way to get there isn't exactly super. The point is that I don't want to run a shitty goodstuff pile but the commander's gimmick doesn't seem to do anything unless your opponents are running generic goodstuff of their own. The best-case scenario for this commander seems to blatantly be "opponent plays generic goodstuff bomb then you play Tail Swipe and steal it" and once that exact scenario is taken away your next-best option is "green deck".
>>94843432>>94843367You're better off doing what I am and make your spiders fight useful stuff you have instead. Academy Manufactor is a terrible card to run in this deck, because with it in play, you get just a basic food instead of a food that's a copy of the creature that died. Shelob is not a food deck, but it has synergies with some food cards.
>>94843475Yeah I recognize the nonbo with Academy Manufacturer. I just used it as a generic example because that's a payoff food decks typically go for.However it raises the question of what you would actually be copying with it, under the assumption you can get into this position in the first place. You're already at 6 mana minimum so what's realistically your acceleration from there?
>>94843463Just play something else and while you're at it, just go to EDHrec and copypaste a list from there, because not only are you retarded, you also lack any kind of imagination, so you're clearly unable to make anything besides cookie cutter by yourself. This is assuming of course that you actually have made a single deck before.
>>94843486Any kind of creature that has an etb or death trigger of some sort. Eternal Witness, Woodfall Primus, Massacre Wurm, for example. You can also do things with Phyrexian Delver. Parallel Lives and Panharmonicon are cards that don't feel like winmore stuff in the deck. Betrayal at the Vault is a shit card, but you can reuse it and get one additional ETB if you have EWit and another creature.You'll never get a high power deck with Shelob, but janky fun, sure.
>>94843491>Hey I don't think this commander is very good if they don't have a specific enabler from an opponent. Every effect becomes extremely overcosted without the context of hopefully getting something powerful from an opponent.>Wooow edhrec cookie cutter drone bet you just wanna play generic green goodstuffDo you have to work to make posts this bad or does it come naturally?Yeah I could drop Murkwood Bats, then play Conspiracy naming "Spider" into Ezuri's Predation turning the whole board into food which I sac to Savvy Hunter. It would just fucking suck because it's a very expensive and involved setup for no real result unless there's a ton of live targets.
What color/colors do you consider the most based?
>>94843519>WOOOW THIS ONE LEGEND IS INEFFECTIVE IN WHAT IT DOESGee, you can probably understand that it's not a very good commander just by reading the card if you can understand what it does.Almost all decks these days that rely on opponent's decks are pretty terrible, because the average commander player is braindead retard who plays nothing but tribal and therefore anything you could use in their roster is pretty useless to you. Hell, even ETB based decks have become relatively rare. I haven't really checked, but it feels like aristocrats and tribal are the most played archetypes and those are useless in this kinda deck.
>>94843293Can you give me one?It does not have to be the name of the card.I am just fishing for ideas.
>>94843562Grixis and Esper are my favorite and thus the most based
>>94843620NTA but Repay in Kind is a certified hood classic.
>>94843562Grixis and Esper are probably the most lame, so the opposites of those are good.
>>94842968>>94842973Sounds like a good idea. Since you're saccing artifacts you'll obviously want lots of ETB and LTB effects Retributive wand is good, 5 damage to any target is good removal. Ichor Wellspring, Spine of Ish Sah are good too. Meteor Golem is great for its ETB. Knight Paladin and Thunderhawk Gunship might not be bad either for their ETBs. You got any suggestions for >>94842822
>Edgar still at 70 bucksis the price going to drop in the following weeks? What's the point of a remaster set if the prices remain the exact same?
>>94843562every color has a lot of fun and interesting commanders these days so hard to choose.
>>94843562Izzet and Rakdos are based. Anything with more than 2 colors is cringe and antiquated.
What's so wrong with being inefficient in EDH? Like it's literally the format for this stuff.
>>94843562I hope a loaded jet hits Grixis and Esper
>>94843670>what's so wrong with playing badMost people say this but the moment they start losing it becomes an arms race and efficiency increases. Everyone totes that shitty "ideal" where everyone can play inefficient but no one wants 5 hour games where no one can win.
>>94843682By that logical conclusion why faff around with less shitty cards and just not play cedh? It's a terrible argument and a weird mindset considering the format you're playing.
>>94843697People escalate at their own pace but they always escalate which is why even people here are putting stronger and stronger staples into their "jank" decks and pretending it's casual. Everyone's a casual until they lose and don't like it. Buy upgrades. Repeat. Eventually we all turn into people trying to win by playing good cards. Sure, we may cling to shitty pet cards but the skeletons and deck building concepts homogenize.
>Looks like a big Timmy beater>Is actually a combo engineOther commanders for this feel?
>>94843709This has been the worst part of getting my friends into Commander. We started with randomly generated generals and now there's shit like Rhystic, Smothering, Stax, and tons of other cancer.
>>94843709Lots of assumptions there buddy, just because you are like this doesn't mean everyone else are.
>>94842438You pay for 4chan settle down mikuanon and stop stealing other people's words it's unnatural
>>94843748>the standard way that magic players work is an assumptionAn accurate one, which is why it's easy to assume and explains the prevalence of very strong staples even in shit decks.
>>94843709Saw it happening in my playgroup. Started off with precons and now half of them play cedh combos or very solid aggro decks filled with staples. Some were just whales with too much disposable income, others were used to competitive tcgs and can't fathom the idea of playing for fun.The dudes who still play jank are pretty much used as comic relief.
>>94842592>youre patching holes in. A ship..... building the deck around lynde!!!!It's very clear you want some retarded>durrrr attach all curses wherever you want!Brain dead commander if you think building around lynde us "patching up holes" you're bad at the game stop shitting up the thread
>>94843098Maybe because you posted an incredibly basic commander whose "secret sauce" could be found in 5 minutes on scrufall looking at vehicles. It's not an interesting or thought provoking commander so why expect interesting answers. It's a boring commander that builds itself unironically just used edhrec
>>94843113>anon is still having trouble with an incredibly easy to build tribal lordLmao what's it like being awful at magic?>reducing the ability to "food generation"Yep you're dogshit lmao
>>94843769>The dudes who still play jank are pretty much used as comic relief.This. The guys in my group still playing their bulk commons will drop a card so bad everybody just laughs. At best they're playing for third place most of the time.
>>94843452Buddy I tried explaining his retardation go him yesterday. He doesn't think shelob is undercosted. He doesn't understand the game, he's objectively bad and called shelob a "food generator" pretty much sums it all up
>>94843796(You)
>>94843670No its literally not and I'm so tired of this. EDH started as way to use cards that were hard to use in 60 card formats. But the decks made WERE INTENDED TO BE GOOD PLAYABLE DECKS, just with fun cards that found it difficult to survive in 60.
>>94843697>if I completely reword and change your argument it's badNormal people understand nuance :) retard.
>>94843762*competitive magic playersPretty big assumption there anon. No constant optmization is not something most players do, most players went to kitchen table magic or now organized kitchen table magic for one of the reason getting away from the people with no self esteem at fnm trying to dominate everyone and tell them how shit their cards that they like are. And now since fucking nobody wants to play those formats anymore they come to edh to do the exact same shit. Like they are in need of a constant supply of people to feel worth in a card game, kinda pathetic.
>>94843869I have never met a magic player who doesn't try to improve their decks except for you. Why do you take pride in having no skill and no development? Generally that's seen as a hallmark of mental illness not a badge of pride.
>>94843869>a ton of fake opinions on FNM he's never been toYou're the only one assuming. People change and improve when cards dont work and no amount of weird cope is going to change reality. I'll be waiting for your next reply but I won't be bothering to reply to it if it's as empty and vapid as this one.
On the one hand, I want to tell more people to play pdh so I have more people to play withOn the other hand, I don't want shitters ruining the best format
>>94843636>Repay in Kindthx m8this is a great source of inspiration
>>94843951Pdh is really boring though so that's okay
>>94843951>best formatGo on, explain yourself.
>>94843951>I don't want shitters exposing that my format is solvable
>>94844025>less cards>less optionBut>I don't have to have self control so I can't make boring staple pilesI would imagine sums it up maybe a dash of desired control over others
>>94843113Do you just love the lore of Shelob or why are you trying so hard? She isn't a good or even interesting commander unfortunately
>>94844131Deckbuilding challenge for a friend. I arrived at something that resembles playable with a wincon, so I guess that's a consolation.
>>94843620https://scryfall.com/search?as=full&q=o%3A%22exchange+life+totals%22+OR+o%3A%22exchange+your+life+total%22&utm_source=mci
>>94842296>tqI want more shit like Tahngarth, Slicer, and Alexios. Traditional voltron is fun, but pass-around Voltron is way more entertaining, especially with goad being better.
>>94842568Don't play multicolored permanents ez
>>94843562Izzet is the most cringe color and Rakdos the the most based one
>>94842666This. Worse part is, I have a friend who built a curse deck, and he 100% of the time will slam then on any opponent not playing green or white for that exact reason. Doesn't help that the curses are basically Yugioh tier horseshit that tutor themselves from the deck to the field, and exists solely to fuck over a single person. The only, and I mean ONLY saving grace is that the archetype doesn't have a set in stone win condition, but there are so many single card game enders now that it really doesn't matter anymore.
>>94844307I have a curse deck and I slam my curses on green players to send a message.
>>94844307I mean most of them was made for 1vs1 desu
>whenever you cast a curse 5 cmc or greater copy it for each opponent Just need something like this
>>94844261>Don't play your commander or any good cards
>>94844372My entire deck filled with good cards is monocolour. Sounds like you're bad.
>>94844372>Don't play your commanderYou can recast that one. Ravnica at War’s no different from any other board wipe when it comes to your commander.>or any good cardsNine times out of ten, you can find a better monocolored permanent for any multicolored permanent you might want to include.
>>94842296>tqI want more minigame sphinxes please.
>>94844510The most insufferable person i ever met had a sphinx deck intentionally designed to annoy people (her words). Don't be gay anon
How do I avoid getting blown out as Rakdos Groupslug with Mogis? Or should I switch to Izzet
>>94844628My Mogis Groupslug deck is very heavy on stax-ish elements and removal. I actually run a creatureless version but it would be objectively more powerful with some small number of utility creatures.Cards like Burning Sands, Tainted Aether, and similar old enchantments really fuck over a lot of decks. You WILL be hated on though, that's the nature of the deck.
94843796>t.
>>94844628you set up stuff that protects you, also become a whiny bitch so nobody will swing at you
>>94843951I'm interested in PDH, but correct me if I'm wrong, it's not recognized as a format, unlike 60-card Pauper. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but for this reason we'll never see LGS host PDH events (until it's recognized as a format by Wizards?). I think they barely host 60-card Pauper. For instance, my LGS which is the most popular in Canada (Face to face) has only a single Pauper event scheduled in the first quarter of 2025. Sure, it's always possible to play with friends, kitchen tables, casual, etc. but it's nice once in a while to test your strength in competition events.I think PDH has a lot of appeal. The commander actually feels special, unlike regular EDH where every creature has a name and is legendary lol. The lack of board wipes in PDH gives me the impression that the games can end significantly faster.>>94844059IMO it's not, less than standard EDH actually. Look at MH3 and how many killer commons it has produced. MH3 completely changed the Pauper meta and as a consequence, PDH.>>94843951In your experience, are there any PDH decks that can put up a fight against EDH? Or which can be upgraded easily by switching a few pieces.>>94844067>I don't have to have self control so I can't make boring staple pilesCan you explain this line better?
>>94843951>>94844025>>94844067New TQ: How do you guys feel about Duel Commander?
>>94844836>explainNo? It's pretty self explanatory. There's nothing in pdh that you can't do in edh. And therefore no reason for it to even exist as a concept
>>94844900You can say the same about 60-card constructed formats. Why Pauper when you can Standard, Pioneer, Legacy, Vintage, etc.
>>94844917Because it couldn't compete there whereas a "pdh" deck could compete against a normal edh deck and all you are doing is minimizing the amount of people you can play with
>>94844917CEDH, Pauper, Legacy, Vintage and PEDH all suffer from the same issues.They are solved games. Even with nearly every card ever printed being open to you, if you want to win, you pick the same handful of top decks and hope you get their wincon out before anyone else gets their wincons out.Playing EDH at 1-7 power levels or standard where the format is forced to change, will you ever get a wide variety of fun and interesting decks to play as and against.
>>94844970>Pauper solvedDo you even play Pauper?https://www.reddit.com/r/Pauper/comments/1gzcyj3/how_solved_is_pauper_is_it_possible_for_a/
>>94844970Of all formats, Pauper is the one that gets the most cards added to it with every single set. If it even does get "solved," it's not for long.
>>94845051This lol. Every set has new cards, most are common/uncommon. Wizards pumping 6-7 sets per year ensures that Pauper is never solved. I think Pauper is still recuperating from Mh3.
>>94844215I don't know what sorcery you did there but I like it.Thank you.
>>94843335Who needs to walk into anything?
https://archidekt.com/decks/10732135/boros_world_slayerI'm having a bit of trouble trying to figure out what I could cut from this to get the two maybe cards into the deck, anyone see anything that likely could be cut here?
>>94845166Walk into it in the sense they're an idiot running an unprotected card generic enough to produce enough value for a 6-drop copying it to be worthwhile. At that point they're lucky it didn't eat Swords the moment it hit the board or get stolen by a blue player with 4 islands.
Why do planeswalker commanders make spergs irrationally angry?
>>94845088>>94845051Most new commons are pretty much the same its not often we get something actually unique in the common slot and the good thing about solved formats is its easy to see where new stuff fits into the equation.
>>94845334This is peak /edhg/brain lmao
>>94844970None of those are solved formats. I dont think you know what that means.
>>94845356>the good thing about solved formats is when new cards that change the solved decks come out, you can solve the format in a different way than it was previous formatBig think.
Should I just buy the Miracle Worker preon and upgrade if I am going to make a Master of Keys deck?
>>94845476Who are you quoting?
Creature Tribal is the gayest shit no exceptions
>>94845288You'd be better off running literally any other equipment based commander and putting an equipment that gave your commander indestructible than that trash ass one.
>kinda getting sick of everything having sone kind of protection or being uncounterable so you can't actually stop pepole half the tine>also kinda sick of everything else getting blown up or countered before it actually does anythig, turning the game into a boring onesided slog, because nobody has any threats.Wizzards plox balance ur game
>>94844025It's tight and combat centric like limited. Breaking through board stalls and eking out advantage through attrition is huge. Fewer big splashy plays makes every move feel more relevant. No board wipes to reset the table, but fewer answer-or-die threats. Ramping is much less important.Plus all the advantages of commander of course - randomness, multiplayer, with even more individualized decks. Playing with Lotleth Troll as my commander is heaven.Plus the low cost, and opportunity to put underused cards to use.>>94844836>The lack of board wipes in PDH gives me the impression that the games can end significantly faster.The biggest difference in game length is that you're less likely to see a player in a morass of treasures/value etc that drags out turns and demands a reset. Plus 30 starting life 16 commander damage makes the games breezy.>In your experience, are there any PDH decks that can put up a fight against EDH? Or which can be upgraded easily by switching a few pieces.You're obviously fighting above your weight class, but I remember my buddy doing well with his Azorius AEthermage deck back in the day. It definitely depends on the deck. If you're switching a few cards then even moreso.>>94844900There's a million things you can do in PDH you can't do in EDH. Azorius AEthermage can be your commander. Combat tricks are actually viable. Are you retarded?
>>94845828That sounds awful; like the worst parts of edh distilled. Well, glad you enjoy it, and glad to know I wouldnt.
Does anyone here have experience with Kalamax? Is he just a worse Storm now? Wanting to build Temur cast big ass spells and copy them so it is between these two
>>94844872Duel commander can be fun, but it suffers from a lot of the saem problems as commander. If both players aren't sitting down with the same experience in mind, it can suck. I play duel commander with my agoraphobic friend and it works because we're on the same wavelength about what we're playing, but I would hate to sit down with some rando at LGS and 1v1.
Having played a fairly high-powered Lynde list (lots of tutors, fast mana, etc), it's never won a single game. But it's always been fun.
>>94845828>aethermageOr any uncommon legendary and then you just build the exact same deck as pdh. And combat tricks are viable everywhere. Like I said it's limiting your pool of people to play with for no upside
>>94845851Depends what you want, kalamax gives you one big free copy a turn while storm is better at copying cheaper spells, storm also needs to deal combat damage first, kallamax just needs to be tapped
>>94845869I care more about casting and copying huge spells so that is a point to Kalamax, but I want to include big CMC sorceries as well like Mnemonic Deluge and Mind's Desire, would they still be useful in Kalamax despite him only copying instants?
>>94845840idk man, it's nice to have a format where you can just play a vanilla 6/6 and you feel like the king of the world.>>94845868But it's not the same. It's different. Give it a try if you don't believe me, you can make a deck for like $20
>>94845859>my agoraphobic friendTell me about this specimen. What deck does he play? Why is he agoraphobic? Do you play at his house?
>>94845886Like I said, yuck. The banlist would need to be huge.
>>94845902Why would the banlist need to be huge?
>>94845909The quality of uncommons are wildly variable.
>>94845883With cards like that in general it's about if you would find them useful without kalamax, Mnemonic Deluge casts what it copies so you can still copy the instant you get with it for example. But not evey card needs to work with him, some cards are just good support/utility to have in general. Another thing with kalamaz is that he works on every turn he's tapped so you get double value on removal in your opponents turns
>>94845917Uncommons are only legal as commander, the deck is all commons. The only bans are Rhystic Study and Mystic Remora, plus my group has a house ban on "play any number" cards. Haven't had an issue yet.
>>94845932That's fair, Kalamax himself should only be one avenue to win unless I was trying to do some infinite magecraft combos with Fork or something which I am not trying to do. Thanks for the input anon, working on a first draft of the deck now, a part of me wants to try to make it a spellsword type combat deck instead of just using other means to tap him.
Is there literally any reason to not run this if I'm in gruul?
>>94846015Its entirely pointless unless you can easily copy it or care about storm count
>>94845828>>94845886>fewer answer-or-die threats>it's nice to have a format where you can just play a vanilla 6/6 and you feel like the king of the world.That's not paupert. pauper constructed player
>>94846032Correct; it's PDH.
>>94846023It effectively reduces your total library size
>>94846056That's retarded and you should feel bad for having that opinion.
>>94845288>88wish those 2 cards had something like[frienemies - these bitches can be your commander, but only one of these sloots can be on the field at a time].
>>94846077Explain how I'm wrong>lose no mana>lose no card advantage
>>94846045Which has a higher power level than pauper
>>94846056Wouldn't you just rather a card you want to play.... you're stupid
>>94846087you lose mana and card advantage because someone put down an obligatory esper sentinel turn 1
>>94846056I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but consider that an opponent may have a stax piece that makes it not as free as you think or the fact that it being in your opening hand lowers your ability to plan since it basically turns your 7 card opening hand into "6 cards + a random card from your deck" which is inherently less set in stone which makes it worse for planning your turns or if you want to mulligan or not.Also consider that 99 to 98 cards isn't a statistically significant advantage to even matter, especially not for the potential downsides.
>>94846087Cantripping once for "free" isnt deck thinning. Fetching 8-12 lands for 16-24 cards from your 60 card deck is deck thinning. Replacing a useful card with a conditional quantum card doesnt actually accomplish anything and you'd be better served running a real card if you arent storming off.
Running anime girl fae tokens in my alela fae flying agro tribal deck
>>94845564Removal has gotten too good. printing removal under 3 mana was a mistake
>>94846015Card isn't really needed unless you're storming or in 4+ colors
>>94846120Alela seems like an awesome commander in that she can do so many things, I've wanted to make a token equipment deck for a bit with her.
>>94846140Yeah, she's pretty fun with vehicles as well since they become east to crew
>>94846127the earliest removal is less than 3 mana
>>94846087Your reasons to run it are the exact reasons you DONT run it unless it has synergies. The card has absolutely no impact, it is essentially a dead draw
>>94846120>>94846140BasedShe's an awesome voltron commander
Prowess should just be "Gets +1/+1 for each spell you have cast this turn" It is annoying to keep track of new tokens on different amounts each time you cast a spell
>>94846288It would be just as annoying to draw into a prowess creature and have to think backwards through all the spells you already cast this turn.
>>94846297I don't agree, keeping track of just one overall storm counter is easier than having to do individual ones for each new creature
>>94846127StP costs 1, Terror costs 2, LB costs 1You're gay and retarded
>>94846087Fine, run a bad card if you want. Im not going to explain why its bad
>TQCoven could do with some support. I think it's a really neat and thematic keyword but it's on less than 20 cards and often feels underpowered.Pic related is one of the better ones and even then Cooped Up is a completely viable substitute.I'd also like if they explored it on cards other than selesnya. I get that grouping together is a selesnya thing, and theres an obvious +1/+1 synergy, but idk tokens and +1/+1s are just all that selesnya does and it makes me less interested in building a coven deck because functionally it won't actually be any different
Can someone take a look at my deck and give me some tips, I'm trying to play commander with my friends so everything here is built from my own collection of random stuff
Red chads, I am once again asking for your fair and honest assessment of a red enchantment
>>94846399Agreed. Leinore's commander deck expanded it a little bit, but I'd like to see it spread to other colors, black especially. It's such an interesting requirement and has obvious flavor implications with black witches.
>>94846427https://moxfield.com/decks/8TZJfcgex0yzt14Cn4wC9w
>>94846427Sure, Ill look for you. Are your friends casual or?You can post a link to Moxfield. Or whatever works
>>94846440Casual. They take it easy on me but there's an LGS I'd like to start playing at they have commander games on the weekend so I'd like to at least put up a fight
>>94846431Yeah I figured they'd say "black doesnt work with others!" but idk, coven basically requires that 1 creature is the strongest so I think they can hand-wave it
>>94846427Sure, but be advised we do not know your collection and thus we will recommend cards you don't have, grill you for not playing cards you don't have access to, and tell you if you have bad cards in your deck. Some people take issue with this.>>94846429There's only a handful of decks I'd consider it for, but in the right place it's good
>>94845564More board wipes is the answer, ive learned this the hard way
>>94845539How about Legendary tribal gay boy
>>94846288>token decks are annoyingWhat else is new
>>94842296>What theme (enchantress, counters, aristocrats etc) needs more support in 2025 and how are you hoping that support will look?A fewARMIES/AMASS NEEDS ANYTHING! IMO they should rework Amass into a new keyword like Conscript so they can errata the keyword to be worded as>Amass X (Create X 0/0 Army creature tokens with a +1/+1 counter on them OR Put X +1/+1 counters on target Army you control) This way you can you choose to go taller or wider, like you are actually commanding an army and giving formations.
>>94846427>>94846437My first impression is you may need a few more lands. I run 32 lands in my izzet deck which draws cards like crazy. 30 lands in a creature deck is probably a bit light.I dont think you have too many ways to remove creatures. Green and Blue can run Pongify(?). I think thats the card. Red gets Blasphemous Act, a board wipe is usually worth having around, even in q creature deck.If I were to critique individual cards, I could write a lot. Ill focus on a few I think are bad though:Pay 4 to draw 2 and scry 1 is bad. There are so many better draw cards in blue and most are not that pricey (inb4 rhystic study).Also pay 6 to counter only a creature spell is pretty bad. Yes it will be a huge meme play once in a blue moon, but frankly honestly any counterspell which costs more than 2 mana is bad.Also there are at least 2 more green emchantments that draw cards when you play creatures. Garruks uprising. I forget the other. Would probably be good for you.
Sultai or Golgari for a lands pile?
>>94846078I don't really know what >88means, maybe I'm over thinking it it. But frienemies sounds like it would be an interesting version of Partner. Partners that are either big ass bombs to justify their "only one out at a time" gimmick or have some mechanic that does something per each time they've tagged in and out.>>94845556Probably, but juggling indestructible counters around my board to make wiping everything, every turn with worldslayer be less of a hinderance to me seemed like a more worthwhile, and fun way to run the card.
>>94846567sultai just because blue lets you draw cards
>>94846567Sultai is probably better because of all the blue/simic "when you land draw card" cards
>>94846533>any counterspell which costs more than 2 mana is badcancels are unironically fine and I'm tired of pretending they're not>t, has paid 5 for FoW on multiple occasions
>>94846597>This seemed more funI see, you're retarded.
>>94846437>>94846427I would be playing some 1-mana mana dorks. Darksteel Pendant and Aqueous Form doesn't seem very good, what are your intentions with these? You have a lot of spells that target either artifact or enchantments, from my experience you don't need narrow cards like Tranquility, try to be able to hit more types, or spread it out so you have a few that can also hit creatures. In red you have the classic Blasphemous Act. Even though you are a creature deck, sometimes you just gotta kill creatures.
>>94846608>>94846615I guess Glarb it is.
>>94846643you could also do sidisi or tasigur
>>94846427>>94846437Holy craw. You're in a state of innocence I envy, please stay with your playgroup and treasure them.If you're gonna sit down at an LGS, the good news is Animar is a powerful commander. Make sure you tell them you're new or casual so they don't focus you. Just with Animar + random creatures you should have a real game or two. As other anon said, you should be running approximately 37 lands.These are some candidates for cuts for lands:RealmwrightGround AssaultUnexpected ResultsLumberknotPhyrexian HulkGuardian of the AgesOverwhelming Intellect
>>94846567golgari, its the blessed color combo, literally all you needbut that just might be me, the longer i play the less exicted i am about having multiple colours
>>94846674Gitrog in the command zone is appealing. i think it's the first mythic i ever pulled. i've played Smeagol in Brawl, i had fun with it but not sure how it'd do in a 4 player setting.
>>94843771Yeah anon, having to run cards just so your commander doesn't attach a shit load of curses to you is bad. There are only a few cards that will mitigate how bad this is. You are actively filling slots in your deck to make your commander "not so bad" instead of taking them from good to excellent.>>durrrr attach all curses wherever you want!For [U][B][R]? Yeah that's pretty fair. Again, Ghen Arcanum Weaver will let you bring an enchantment back to the field from grave for [R][W][B] {T} and sack an enchantment. With role tokens, the sack is basically free.When a card like that already fucking exists it's entirely fair to look at Lynde and say "moving 1 curse off myself to someone else per rotation" is absolute dogshit. Especially when it pretty much had to be cast at least once before her recovery effect applies because it only works when a curse leaves the battlefield to grave, unlike Ghen who can self-mill the enchants to grave >>94845867Yeah I'm not saying she's never fun. Someone said she's strong and I said she sucks, which she does. She just happens to be the only commander that mentions curses.
>>94846622>cancels are unironically fine and I'm tired of pretending they're notArcane DenialThree Steps AheadCounterspellSwan SongMana DrainDeflecting SwatRemove SoulForce of WillMind LapseDont let me catch you running removal slop irl
>>94846533>>94846635>>94846671Thanks for your tips they definitely make sense, I've only played a few games with the deck and knew it was seriously flawed, I'll take a look at my collection and see if I can pull some better cards out, there are several 60 card decks but everyone seems to play EDH. I inherited all these cards, except for Animar I picked him out
>>94846429Great albeit niche card. Not every commander would want it but it's very good at what it does
>>94845288>that "ramp"put your trip back on
>>94843951Are you down to make a /pdhg/?
Now similar is Neheb, the Eternal to Valgavoth RB?
>>94846762what does this mean doesnt the tripfag use too much ramp?
Who would be the most fun commander to put a bunch of these types of cards into? Alexios, Xantcha, ect. that force combat and cause chaos.Maybe Queen Marchesa?
>>94846875yes, but also makes the worst decks like this one
>>94846882Slicer
>>94846891>>94846762different account
>>94846466>>94846759Im considering slotting it in my izzet aggro.Im not sure what the best case scenario is for it, I run Chasm Skulker which can get massive.But I do run things like 3rd path iconoclast which trigger on non creature cast.Just 1 mana that replaces itself and can be precast and sit around seems amazingGoing to wheel? Just plot the 1 mana enchant first.
>>94846762>>94846891Genuine mental illness
>>94846896He would be in the 99 of the theoretical decklist
>>94846762I'm not swordbro. I also don't know what's really wrong with my ramp beyond maybe not having enough?
how can i build a deck that flies under the radar but also win games? i'm often the threat at the table, either becasue scary cards on the field or scary commander in the command zone
>>94846882Karona, False God, run the goading auras or propaganda effects
>>94846923>all require a creature on the board and be equipped to ramp other than rocksits shit
>>94846993thoracle combo from hand
>>94846172>>94846115>>94846377>the card does nothing/has no impact so its badbut when you play it it gets replaced by a good card in your deck that does have impactthe reason cantrips arent played much is theyre usually priced at one mana which isnt worth it, but in commander manamorphose is 0 mana. It's only not useful if its either turn 1 or you for some reason need to cast only a single one mana card
>>94846910What commander?Bear in mind it doesn't really replace itself until you start falling behind by losing it. Huge difference from draw a card on etb.I think the best usecase is a commander that wants evasion itself, with obvious synergies with wheels, cast from exile, mass discard, etc.
>>94843562Golgari, Gruul, Rakdos & Jund exemplify based-ness.Azorius, Selesnya and Bant are cringe.The rest fall in the middle.
>Finally get around to making an Izzet Deck.>Keep forgetting to hold up mana for interaction.I'm just not wired for this shit.
>>94847136This guy gets it.
>>94847136What does my decks being Esper, Rakdos, and Grixis say about me?
>>94847136I can smell the Axe from here
>>94847136Reasonable take
>>94847180You can not reasonably deny that amongst the color combinations, Selesnya is the most likely to wear buttplugs secretly during game. It is simply obvious
>>94847198There is a reason why most girls play that combination.
>>94847198That's just hot as fuck anon, I want a loyal Selesnya fag femboy gf(male). I'm a Jund chad.
>>94847198ever noticed that ever so subtle humming when sitting at the table with a Selesnya player?its super weird
>>94846732I literally just said I run Force of Will. Try again
>>94847223You and me both, anon. Jund, Grixis, and Esper are my 3 main decks.
>>94847247you finally put it back on
>>94847287I'm lurking waiting for the Bills/Ravens game to start
>>94847298then go lurk on /sp/ and fuck off faggot
>>94847313Threads are real fast there, but I am. I also lurk here because I love Commander.
>>94847037Getting one of the equipments in my hand, finding them, or keeping my commander alive isn't hard with this deck. I'll take it under consideration though and think about adding more conventional things like land tax.
>>94847223>>94847247Based, would date if I was pretty. My deck is Emmara btw.
>>94847350stop replying to me faggot
>>94847198It's called Sissylesnya for a reason
>>94847234But you also run cancel.Run things that arent cancel
>>94847083>when you play it it gets replaced by a good cardWell first off it is a good card never said it wasn't. It's just not ubiquitously good. If you can copy it or get some other value out of it then it's a great fit. If you're just using it because it could get you to a "good card" then it'd be better to just include another good card.. this isn't confusing.
Anyone /here/ buy the Zinnia Family Matters precon? Did you enjoy it and did you keep it or dismantle it?
>>94847136Azorius is objectively one of the most interesting colour combos it has by far the most diversity in the themes it can do and commander choices and some of the coolest cards in the game fall under that pairing
>>94847420No, I will continue to run Disallow because even though most of the time it is cancel, it occasionally isn't
>>94847381>>94847313You'd have more friends if you weren't like this anon
>>94847448>ZinniaIt keeps fucking me up that they went with that name.
>>94847464Pokemon fullarts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MTG fullarts
>>94847462i don't want friends like those people
>>94847448Bought it, built her, had fun, disassembled for Xyris. I may rebuild her at some point or make the Archimandrite.
>>94847453>Blah blah blahNone of that has anything to do with being Cringe or based. This whole post is why you're cringe.
Is this deck stupid to build? I want to build a wheel deck but I don't want to build nekusar and this feels like a fun take on it. I'm not sure if i'd put any focus on pumping xyris as much as i'd try to focus on group hug or drawing card elements
>>948474792016 ended anon I'm sorry to tell you. Irony posting is never based
>>94847464Zinnia was my favorite part of ORAS. Pokemon has really cool full arts.
>>94846429why does Rakdos have a bandolier if guns don't exist in the multiverse?
>>94847480https://archidekt.com/decks/9997908/welcome_to_the_serpentariumI have that exact deck in paper more or less and it's tons of fun. You're pretty much always on the verge of fucking up the match if they let you get rolling.
>>94847464Same
>>94847448Disassembled it after a few plays. It needs too many resources for things to go consistently right for it. The big one is it's very mana intensive for a non-green deck that wants to slam tons of creatures on the board. Didn't believe it was worth pouring the money into a ramp package to fix it. Got my Agate Instigator and Polywog Prodigy though so I'm counting it as a good buy.
>>94843653Just get a Japanese or other language version. Or the super huge version since Edgar never leaves the zone
>>94847493It's not irony. The colour combos have different vibes. Azorius is the dweebiness of blue mixed with the up-tightism of white.
>>94847480its like Nekusar, but people dont respect it enough and give it a pass, while it actually is much much worse than what you could expect from Nekusar
Trying to make pic related work, is there anyway to change the mana value of shit on the field?
>>94843562Mostly anything with black in it. Gruul gets an honourable mention. Any cool commander in the other colours is an outlier
>>94847529man I used to have so many anvil of bogardans and i always thought they were stupid cards, i guess it just makes me feel silly that I want one so bad now. Thanks for showing me your list, i've been tossing around the idea of building it for a while now(go bills)
>>94847198>>94847219>>94847223>>94847232>>94847395finally immortalized this
>>94843562Golgari and Orzhov
>>94847579nope, no such mechanic sadly.
>>94847592I'll save this when I get home>>94847589GO BILLSHell yeah, and I get youI used to think Grave Pact and Blood Moon were shit as a kid so I had some white border copies just rotting in a box lmaoSame with a mana vault.
>>94843562Boros.I like rooting for the underdogs.
>>94846759Anyone know any based Azorius commanders they can share
>>94846429fun in double strike decks
>>94847453why not come and play our super diverse and interesting Azorius guild, anon?we got>blink>staxand then we got>stax based blinkand sometimes even>blinking some stax piecesoverall a plethora of playstyles, truly something for every player out there
>>94847579Don't think so. Maybe there's an X cost enchantment somewhere you can use to vary the cost? I have never seen one before though.
>>94847681Hey pal you forgot evasion! That makes THREE distinct playstyles!
how do I make the most amount of use of this card? Mothman deck? Trying to win games without have to use creatures to attack anyone
>>94847746Literally anything that uses counters.There are a fair bit of poison cards made in blue, green,, black and white added in ONE.Mothman is also a good choice.
>>94847681It's your fault for not knowing the game anon not mine
>>94847529Hey tripfag you still here?I made the tombstone stairwell listI know this is a crazy hyper budget list and might lack some synergy but what do you thinkhttps://moxfield.com/decks/LlozS1zHHE-C9bfihWiSxQ
>>94847796are the by far most diverse themes and your unfathomable game knowledge in this thread with us now?
>>94847838Barring the lands (but its budget so obviously) it seems interesting. I wouldnt have expected Jan Jansen, but you have a good variety of effects. It looks like it could be pretty fun. Let me know how it plays sometime, Stairwell is amazing.
>>94847579No>>94847694X only changes the CMC while on the stack.
>>94847746vadrik combo
>>94847621>>94847694>>94847920Rip, would make her a lot more viable
>>94847579> is there anyway to change the mana value of shit on the field?Not really, like Mystic reflexion is probably the closest you will get. Also you have cards putting creatures face down and by doing so giving them a mana value of 0, but you then need to find a way to turn them face up.
Why do deck builders get shit on here?
>>94846357Stp was mistake, terror couldn't destroy black or artifact creatures, no u
>>94848044Most people here are Nogames
>>94846170It's also a mistake
>>94848044>>94848048Truth, if they ever played they'd post less trash deck lists.
>>94848015There is also cytoshape but it's not in the right color.
>>94848066Swordbro posts good decks is he nogames?
>swordbro posts good decksg8 b8 m8
>>94848044The people who respond to decks are generally just looking to antagonize. And most can't actually look at a 99 and tell what it's going for actual game discussion is dead here
>>94848099Post one of his awesome 10/10 chad femboy-loving dogfucking decks and explain why its bad
>>94848117put your trip back on
>>94848135>anon cant pick up on sarcasmI'm not him
>>94848105Look faggot. This is a game, you should play to win, 0 decks posted in this thread are anything but casual table slop
>>948481054chan is basically a catch all for rejects that got banned everywhere else
>>94848081>Swordbro posts good decksNameOneLmao
>>94848141So why would you pick the format where people play "women looking left" tribal instead of modern, legacy, pauper, or standard if you just want competition? Are you lost or you just couldn't hang with da big dawgs?
>>94848141>go in the casual format thread>get mad the decks are casual
>>94848190Xyris
>Make a list for a new deck online>Playtests feel good, lots of interaction, lots of draw, big board, good mana>mfw 80% of the deck is cards I'm using in three other decks and the cheapest way to build it for real would be taking apart my other decks so I don't have to rebuy or use shitty quality proxies
>>94848141Okay anon. I'm sorrry. I'll go straight to EDHREC and put every card from the top Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh Voltron deck into a shopping cart instead of trying to have fun with my own deck.
I'm trying to paint my favourite insects to be extended art for my Zask deck, should I do Amzu, Mazirek or the other Grist next?
>>94848252Gotta bite the bullet somewhere anon
>>94847624three touchdowns, all gas, go billsi notice you also have a nekusar deck tho, how do you feel about having two decks that do functionally the same thing, what are the differences? It looks like you use nekusar more often, do you just hop on xyris when nekusar gets stale?
>64 dollarsGod damn it.
>>94848252use high quality proxies of cards you own in all 3 decks
>>94847746Saga Jin-Gitaxias, cheerios to draw your deck and thoracle.
>>94848280I disassembled Nekusar a while ago for Xyris. They're similar, but Xyris is more fun and has access to green ramp and (in my opinion) some better punishment effects in the form of Impact Tremors effects.I will say that I do miss Breathstealer's Crypt, Bowmasters, and Zur's Weirding a bit though. Maybe I'll slot Zur's into Xyris sometime.
Here's one of my dogshit casual table slop decks. I'm very happy with it right now.https://archidekt.com/decks/7896540/breeding_pool_turbo
>>94848280Also hell yeah go Bills.
>>9484828135 on tcg?still too rich for my blood
>>94848310You should be ashamed that you are having fun with this SLOP!Seriously though, looks like a fun deck.>>94848319Its a "when my tax return comes in" purchase for sure. She's so pretty in that print.
>>94848015Wait wait wait anon. You're a fucking genius. I mean those cards are garbage, but you're right I need to turn the target into a copy until end of turn.With some cost reduction like medallions already on the field, pic related could turn everything into a copy of a token, cast a bunch of 1 mana auras, then when they change back the aura would still be attached.
I know Tergrid is kill on sight, but what about some of the other mono black theft commanders like Tinybones, Bauble Burglar or Gisa, Glorious Resurrector?
>>94848310>Simic edhrec staple pileWhy even bother saying it's your deck when you clearly just got it from someone else?
>>94848439The problem is really the emergent play pattern of the decks running 40 pieces of removal because they also generate value.
>>94843653>is the price going to drop in the following weeks?Nope.
>>94848451>Make a deck that you think is fun>Its shit>Make a deck with staples>Man, you just stole thatLose-lose
>>94848451Isn't that true of every single deck? The playing pieces are known, and edhrec proves every commander has already been built dozens hundreds and thousands of times over.
thoughts on this sea boy?
>>948485246 mana in not-green. How many times you planning on casting or blinking him?
>>94847997https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aaura+commander%3Aesper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc&dir=descLooking at this, a lot of the expensive auras on creatures in Esper are stuff that takes control anyway. So her ability doesn't really steal much for big creatures.
>>94848340>but you're right I need to turn the target into a copy until end of turn.It's a pretty rare effect, outside of Mirrorweave the only way I found is Shapesharer shenanigan.
>>94848546watch me run 25+ clones on the deck along with reanimations spells and one mana blink effects
>>94848571That could be fun. I'd probably try to rush you down though just to stop the mill if nothing else
>>94846848>Are you down to make a /pdhg/?Let's give it a shot!!/pdh/ and pauper curious and anons with no money, see you at /pdhg/>>>94848621>>>94848621>>>94848621
>>94848465What do you mean, like players not wanting to put creatures into play against the Gisa deck?
>>94848667Yes as it turns out when the optimal play is "land-go while the theft player stares at you with bug eyes holding the Doom Blade in his hand" people don't have a lot of fun.
>>94847083Deck thinning and consistency are foreign concepts to EDH players
>>94848566I mean most creatures are 5mv or less, that's not the issue.The issue is unequal investment of resources. Eriette only steals if the aura had mana value equal to or greater than the target creature when cast.If each opponent puts out one 2mv creature, to steal them all would cost you 6 mana total. One person plays or cheats out something for 5mv, you steal it for 5 and then it dies, your board is empty and you wasted all that manaSo what I'm trying to do us reduce the mana value of my opponents creatures so I can then put really cheap auras on them and steal a bunch of good things all at once.Mirrorweave will do this because if everyone's creatures become a copy of a token with no mana value, then any aura can steal them. The effect only checks mana value on cast, so when those creatures revert back it doesn't matter that the aura on them now has a lower mana value than the creature it's on.Another good card I've found that can cheese this limitation a bit is Metamorphic Alteration. While it won't steal a big mv creature, it can steal a lower mv creature whilst simultaneously turning it into a copy of the big mv creature>>94848569I don't see how any of those cards help.
>>94848720Dont be stupid anon.
>>94848730>I don't see how any of those cards help.Shapesharer can turn any shapeshifter into a copy of a creature, the other cards allow you to give your opponents creatures all creature types so turning them into shapeshifters.
"Demonic Tutor is bad because you could just have a second copy of the card your want to draw"- Shit /edhg/ says.
>>94844872it's the best commander format for me because it's fully supported on mtgo, and that's where all my cards areseriously the best experience I have ever had, cedh doesn't even compare>>94845859this isn't a problem on mtgo because it's treated like every other competitive 1v1 format with a prize on the line, people bring their best decks and whoever wins takes it all, no hard feelings
>>94848770No one said that?
>>94845288Shit to protect your board is probably more effective than recursion.
>>94847592tfw when I posted the selesnya chastity cage I got banned
>>94843113>>94843335>People saying Spider suckIt's going to become the strongest tribal for every color so start investing now.
Currently using Radagast. Nice draw engine but he's started to irritate me because I'm not running a dedicated anti-tribal deck so pretty often I'll pull three or four cool creatures off the top of my deck but be left unable to add any of them to my hand. Plus I need to check the cards I pulled with the creatures I have on the field, which is annoying.Primordial Sage isn't as good, but the bump in mana cost doesn't hurt my deck too bad (gruul big mana) and just having a basic draw cuts the headache out.I guess I was going to ask if making the swap is worth it, but I've talked myself into it.What are some swaps you've made for convenience over power level?
>>94848900>make a wish spidermanBoy oh boy, I have a wish for you make a wish spiderman, but if I say it, it wont come true.
Anyone have a Mothman deck they can share?
>>94848900Why would there be spiders in this deck? Wolverine isn't a beast he's a mutant
>>94848932Spider man isnt a mutant retard. The X-men are mutants, but people like Spider Man, Superman, and The Hulk are half other things like Spider, Alien, and Eldrazi
>>94848962I couldnt care less.
>>94848962>people like Spider Man, Superman, and The Hulk are half other things like Spider, Alien, and Eldrazifucking retard
>>94848962Super Man isn't half alien.
>>94848997He's referencing Superman, but that is retarded still because he's fully Kryptonian. Also Hulk isn't whateverthefuck he meant by Eldrazi. Hulk is technically an effect of mutation after exposure to gamma rays, but even then he's also like a meta-avatar of human rage itself.
>>94848962>Spider man isnt a mutant retard>The X-men are mutantsWolverine is part of the weapon x project, so he's not a mutant either. He'd be in the same category as Captain America.
>>94849035That's incorrect. He was a mutant long before the weapon x project. That simply grafted adamantium onto his skeleton. He is a mutant and his power is regeneration. There's the gay storyline that he's part of a seperate race of humans called "lupines" or something, but I'm pretty sure that's not canon.
>>94848932>Wolverine isn't a beast he's a mutantYou asked the question and then answered it.>Human Spider HeroIf any of those types are to be replaced it would be Hero switching for Villain/Construct/Wizard.>Venom brings back Mutate abilities>>94849035You are trying to hard now.
>>94849031>>94849035Goddamn you superhero faggots, just wait until the acursed marvel set when I put myself into a shit coma after drinking 87 liters of egg nog mixed with hot sauce.
>>94849059But he's not a spider.
>>94849062>just wait until the acursed marvel setDidn't it happen already?
>>94848260I really love the other Grist art, so I vote that one.
tfw you're sleeving up your new deck into your new underbooba anime demoness sleeves
Where do i even run this? Its such a cool card but i don't know what deck wants it. Maybe a "casting from exile matters" deck? The thing is that it costs a ton of mana so its easier to run in a big mana deck, but it being in a big mana deck also means it can fail more often
>>94849111I need some dragonshields with Saheeli in a string bikini
>>94849064Spider-Man is a Spider-Totem that connects to the Spider-gods. Because of this they have special Spider-Magic that taste very good to Morlun's vampire family so they started going around and targgeting every single Spider-Man in the first Spider-Verse story.Blanka is a beast when he is a normal guy who lives in the jungle and eats eels. While they may not be spider spiders. They all have a Spider-Spirit. More then enough for WotC to connect them all and encourage people to play all Spider-Verse teams.
>>94849111Hell ya bro
>>94849101No. I'm dreading the day. It's going to be the worst time ever to be a magic fan, this thread is going to become a /co/lostomy bag, and it will slosh about for months and months of faggotry, just like this thread. Endless arguments about how some obscure character should have a card, "how do I build this incredibly obvious linear build around commander that I like just because it's a superhero I like", and best of all, endless fucking arguments about how spiderman is actually this colour because of this incredibly specific comic book reference, followed by another autist arguing the opposite for 200 posts at a time using equally specific references. I'd honestly prefer the end of the world than 3+ months of that tripfagging hell.
>>94849157Here's a secretSwordfag doesnt like marvelSo we're safe
>>94849178Oh, that faggy dog fucker who constantly replies to himself will be the least of our concerns when the new ones errupt like boils on the back of a teenager, acting the exact same wau he does, but marvel flavoured and with no regard for human life.
Alright I'm making the real successor thread
>>94849187What if I shit?
>>94849204Didnt you read my plan? Egg nog and hot sauce: 87 liters of it to the dome. I'll be unconcious shitting for months at a time.
Long live /edhg/>>94849232>>94849232>>94849232
>>94849141No Spiderman is a teenage human who got bit by a spider hes a mutant. Blanka is a beast cause he has green skin and lives in the jungle
>>94849031>>94848997Starlord is half alien
>>94848962How is a man getting bit by a radioactive spider and becoming different not mutation, but some guy melting half into a PC or whatever totally is "mutant"?
>>94849031>but even then he's also like a meta-avatar of human rage itself.Pretty dumb. Man, comics could be good if they did shit Japanese style and mainly just had a single creator for its life span.
>>94848799I just did though.
>>94843113Spider tribal is not great but giving your entire board ward 2 and deathtouch makes it a huge pain in the ass to interact with you outside of wraths etc, doubly so if you can give her Shroud and make her near impossible to touch without a wrath/riftShe's very much an enabler for an otherwise terrible tribe and you're not seeing her in cedh but she makes it very hard to productively attack into you at allt. plays against a shelob deck regularly
