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love me some elves
did we even reach bump limit on the last one?

>>96408739
Should be 310, if they haven't raised it again.

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>>96408739
Yes.

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>>96408710
based coziest Sherupost

>>96408755
>Remember to keep the art classy and non sloppy.
What about this was hard to understand?

>>96408780
That's both classy and non-sloppy, so I don't know why you're having a melty.

>>96408780
>sees the artists name on the art
>sloppy
what is it now

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here's a friendly protip for people that don't like AI. Install 4chanX and set it to automatically hide all pictures with these dimensions:

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>>96408794
I was more referring to the cow tits and latex socks, but okay.
Besides every slopatreon uses a signature or watermark on their pictures.

I would say spears are a wood elf weapon

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>>96408890
What about axes?

>>96408868
>I was more referring to the cow tits and latex socks
this is based thoughbeight

>>96408918
Pornbrain.

>>96408912
Not a very elven weapon.
Axes are for dwarfs and orcs and beastmen - not elves.
The only exception are princesses, elf princesses may wield battle axes.

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>>96408925
>princessess
Disregarded.

>>96408925
>not a very elven weapon
if it got some fancy swirls and intricate designs inlaid with gold to make it extra shiny, everything can be an elven weapon, as long as it is elegant
you can make everything elegant
>Cudgel?
>Made from unicorn horn, put some fancy golden swirls on that bitch, there it is elven now
it's like the pink tax, you just call it elven and the price increases by 50%- the elven tax

>>96408925
They're prime weapons for woodsmen and an obvious choice if you want to go for a more pictish or celtic inspiration.

>>96408822
I don't want to install another extension.
I don't want to block out a ton of other pictures.
Stay on topic and keep slop and slop discussions to the slop thread.

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>>96409111
>no I don't want a solution I want to pretend to be an unpaid moderator enforcing made up rules!

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>>96408925
Why not? I feel an axe would be a perfect weapon for a Wood Elf.

Speaking of Wood Elves,
What is /tg/ opinion on differences between Wild and Wood elves (if there is any) and how do you perceive the relationship between wood elves and the forest?
I myself see Wood Elves as living in a "civilized" society well integrated into the forest. They do have some degree of industry and they do cut down trees, but they do it in a renewable way and also tend to and protect the forest, but they would also be able to connect to the outside world.
Wild elves would leave in much smaller communities, be much more primitive and would display less of a technology but would therefore leave a much smaller civilizational footprint. They would have difficulty communication to people outside of forest.

Have a cute redneck elf reading a book drawing I did today in case you don't care about elf discussion and just to enjoy art.

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>>96409180
Yeah, the FR differentiation between Wood Elves and Wild Elves (Green Elves?) is pretty dumb. One is lamer high elves with a superficial connection to nature, the other is a very extreme take on wood elves with very primitive levels of society and technology. And being so xenophobic and isolating themselves so much doesn't leave much room to expand on them and letting them interact with other races.
You really don't need both.

>>96409221
> And being so xenophobic and isolating themselves so much doesn't leave much room to expand on them and letting them interact with other races.
I do not agree. You can expand them in their way of connecting to their forest. Interactions between various forest creatures, preservation of fayan myths and folklore, knowledge of areas so remote that some wood elves families have forgotten or lost. Knowledge of ancient languages and weird, forgotten dialects can give wild elves how of interesting options for player interactions

>>96409180
wild elves are basically a dying race and I think they're hardly considered their own subrace anymore (or Wizard retcon'd the entire species, I recall the girl Drizzt saved was called a wild elf at the beginning of the books, but suddenly she's turned into a high elf later in the series)
>pretty sure their gods were all either killed off or forced to merge with other gods
>like Selvetarm's mom
I headcanon they merged with the wood elves, and they're now barely distinguishable from each other
some might still cling to old tradition but know their memories and traditions are slowly fading away and sticking with the wood elves is the only way they could possibly survive or adapt because it's the closest thing they got
>kind of like what happens/ed IRL with indigenous people

I think the winged elves are also borderline extinct by now

>>96409249
>be WoTC
>merge various subraces into one big soup
>"we feel that there is not enough diversity options for players"
Why do they keep doing this?

Anyhow,
>kind of like what happens/ed IRL with indigenous people
Yes exactly. I see inspiration for Wood/Wild elves in Mayan people today. You have whole semi-civilized families living on the edges of the jungles who function as intermediaries between civilisation and jungle maya

>>96409180
I never understood the thing about woodelves loving the forest so much they wont cut trees down. Its pretty stupid, if you really loved the forests you have to cut trees down for growth and to protect it from rampant forest fires.

>>96409180
I'm in love with Midgards (kraut RPG not D&D setting) interpretation of elves.
>Most elves are what some would call Wood Elves
>Live in cities or villages hidden in magical woods
>They do fell trees but overall live in symbiosis with the forest
>They can succumb to their negative emotions and turn into something akin to "wild elves"

The last part requires some backstory
>Elves originally followed an evil eldritch being into Midgard, the world where the game is set
>Some saw through its plans early when they witnessed the atrocities committed against humans, dwarfs and other beings
>Others only left after they saw how ruthlessly it made use of evil demons and destroyed nature
>The latter and their descendants can, due to the prolonged contact with this being, "fall"
>They get consumed by grief, anger or other negative emotions and can't overcome them
>They start to get overcome with hatred for other elves of the civilization they come from and especially for other races
>They then either get hunted down, by other elves or mortal races
>Or they join one of the several groups of dark elves
>One of these groups inhabits a certain forest and strictly reject civilization
>They're strict hunter gatherers, only use natural materials and view themselves as apex predators
>Sometimes they raid nearby human settlements but for the most part they keep to themselves and just kill anything that enters their forest.

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>>96409338
Elves in general often suffer from sheltered kids and city-hippies having romantic ideas about how it is to live with nature and projecting them on this fictional race.

>>96409338
This. Same with eating animals
>>96409345
>Midgards interpretation of elves.
That's interesting. Gives a proper reason for xenophobia and not just "they bad"

>>96409180
I don't really have that many different kinds of elves, but I do kind of have the wood/wild elf distinction... but it's just an age thing. Wild elves grew up in a time when humans were still in the stone age. Wood elves have grown up with newer technology and ideas from later eras, not having the same lived experiences that Wild elves do. They look different only because one is literally the older and wrinklier version of the other.

Wild elves do have elven children of course, but the kids tend to be interested in the things that "kids their own age" are interested in, so they end up as Wood elves in almost all but the most conservative isolated communities.

>>96409777
>Back in my day humans didn't even have fire. We had to fight for them on the cave-market. Drow were still called dark elves
>Okay grandma, now let's get you back to bed
>Back in my day we didn't reverie in beds, we dug ourselves in the dirt and tranced within nature! That's why the new generations are so soft! BEDS!

>>96409180
In my personal head canon I tend to imagine Wild Elves as more savage and isolationist. Similar to the wood elf stereotype from Warhammer Fantasy. Not really evil, not really that connected to Fey, just more wild, like animals and untouched nature. They attack anyone threatening their area and livelihood, but it's not in a belligerent fashion, they wouldn't care if you just accidentally get lost.

With Wood Elves I leave to stereotypical depictions in media, but a bit more industrious like you. I don't care much for this idea that Elves would never cut down trees. Taking care of a forest also means maintenance. I might portray that maintenance differently than what a Human would consider maintenance, but I'm not into hippy themes.

But these are both my headcanon. If I'm running a game in a specific setting or if I'm playing with tabletop newbies, I'm perfectly fine with a typical tolkien depiction.

>>96409180
elves are hunters in woodland areas, they aren't lumberjacks
a lot of the time in fiction, elves hate hurting trees

anyway axes might be good for cutting wood but they arent good for fighting in forested areas; wide swings and jutting protrusions tend to get caught on things

>>96409338
forest fires are good for forests
they're just bad for humans who live in or adjacent to forests or who are otherwise invested in the forest as it currently is

>>96411345
They're good for people too tho. You don't want to be there when the whole forest burns down because you leave all the debris there.

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What does /tg/ think of basketball elves?

Is the damage from drizzit still not healed?

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>>96414120
There's nothing wrong with basketball elves. In fact I could see elves enjoy playing basketball

>>96415061
Piss off

This is why /tg/ is the worst board

>>96415374
You can leave any time you want

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>>96415374
You post this in every thread and it's not very cozy, mr well poison fella

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where is this place supposed to be? I can't find it on the Underdark map
>also yes, this city should exist, the ntire section comes from a 3.5 sourcebook
>I'm going to guess not Faerun?

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>>96415745
>literal underworld to the surface of the Oerth
Where is this drow city supposed to be? Oh the underdark, you don't say? That makes so much sense! Why didn't I think of this?

>>96415763
some google-fu places the vault of the drow (where that city is located) underneath the cairn hills which are due east of the city of greyhawk

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>>96415815
I stand corrected, it's 1c on this map (under the hell furnaces) according to some more dedicated mapping autists

>>96408925
nah man, white lions are single handedly carrying the aesthetic of WHFB Elves

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Elven axes?
Elven axes.

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In space, no one can hear you axe questions.

when
>wood elves=celts
>wild elves=mayans
>high elves=ancient greeks/romans
what are dark elves?

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>>96418511
Since the mayans in this example are from a completely different time period, continent, language group, cutlure etc. Whatever the fuck you want.
Make them Egyptians.

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I blame DND.

You can't be badass when your height range caps out a smooth cool 4'11" unless you are also 4 feet wide. This is a race of literal midgets that demand your respect for nothing but being older than you. Tolkien knew what was up. When even elven women are 6'2" bare minimum, it makes elves inherently physically superior in a visceral way even at their lamest. Like it or not, height also commands respect by default. Makes them all having more practical experience from age easier to swallow. Combined with them being above human concerns in an almost sociopathic way rather than a hoity toity or fruity or hippy wayhumans are simply not that important to their day to day to bother with unless the problem knocks on their front door.

+2 strength +2 dex. Literally looking down on you, mister 5'11". Not smarter than you, but they made all your teenager mistakes 100 years ago and don't have the patience to bother with it. Your entire society will be the opposite of what it is in only 50 years. Why bother learning anything about it? Give them shit, and then realize some of them can pick up your best warriors with one hand and choke slam them.

Not slim and graceful enough for you? No no, I assure you, being tall allows the body to hide a shocking amount of muscle on it. Being short is what makes your build look like a tatter tot.

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>>96418920
>elven women are 6'2" bare minimum
Galadriel was around 6'4 and was tall enough for it to be exceptional, so I don't think Tolkien's elves mogged humans that hard. At least not in the third age.

>>96418994
When was the last time you had the chance to play an elf that tall in an RPG, and no naming Altmer in TES. They aren't even elves. They are a sapient foot that grew legs and talks.

>>96418994
Also I think you may be wrong. When I do a search, it reconfirms what I'm saying. Unless you know something the rest of the entire internet doesn't. Women seldom less than six feet tall. Men six and a half.

Yeah that's gigantic. That's a huge difference in context between humans and elves.

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>>96419081
WFRP.

>>96419209
And those elves get to be genuinely intimidating for it.

>>96418511
>what are dark elves?
Chinese

>>96418920
What the fuck is that shading on the knees? I mean what the fuck is with that shading in general

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>>96418920
I like how D&Ds elves are short and slim, but I don't really understand why they went with that. Tolkiens elves are human-sized, most people think of elves as tall and skinny (and its the natural opposite of dwarves who are short and thicc).

For my own setting, I made elves better match the general consensus:
>tall
>thin
>beautiful
>aryan (pale, blonde, blue eyes)
>smart (+2 int, -2 con)
and I switched them from swords to spears; spears and bows

>>96420457
>>96418994

>the normal height of men of Numenorean descent and of the Eldar (especially those of Noldorin descent), which appears to have been about seven of our feet.

The Peoples of Middle Earth

Presumably Galadriel (6 feet 4) isn't THAT tall for a Noldorin woman, actually.

>>96419159
Unfinished Tales states she is two ranga, a ranga being 38 inches. So we know she is around 6'4. Also in Unfinished Tales it is said: "Her mother-name was Nerwen ('man-maiden'), and she grew to be tall beyond the measure even of the women of the Noldor". The Noldor were generally considered to be the most physically impressive elves. "Among the Eldar the Noldor were the most renowned in body and mind." So, at 6'4 she is taller than normal for the most physically impressive of all the Eldar. Given all that I think saying Tolkien's elven women were "6'2 minimum" is a bit excessive.

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How long do immortal elves actually live for? Sure, they're immortal, but accidents happen to everyone and there's some finite chance each year of just randomly dying that's going to catch up with most of them eventually. So, what actually is the average age given that they are otherwise biologically immortal.

>>96420457
I think the DnD elves are related to fey or at least have fey ancestry
Maybe they're shorter to symbolize they're closer to fairies than humans
>Drow really took the short (-er) end of the stick
Not that anyone except the most autistic of fans care about it, I know tall drow and elves exist, it would be a strange dm who would die on that hill

>>96422190
Talking about averages with immortal elves is pretty pointles. Way too many factors and they're all setting dependant. You'd need to get data on a scientific level to calculate it.
If you're going to run a monte carlo simulation on your settings elves please share the results, though.

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Crazy that nobody has made a comprehensive list of elf types yet. Can't even find out how many different elves there are across published D&D content

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>>96423475
Well here are TTRPGs with elves:
The good old D&D and its tons of campaign settings
Pathfinder
B/X Essentials and whatever else million retro-clones exist
Glorantha
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying
Shadowrun
Shadow of the Demon Lord
Dragon Age (yes, it unfortunately has an rpg)
The Dark Eye
Splittermond
The One Ring Roleplaying Game
Adventures in Middle-Earth
Iron Kingdoms
Symbaroum (Changelings kinda count as elves)
13th Age
Dungeon Crawl Classic
Anima: Beyond Fantasy (Sylvain)
Warcraft RPG
Hero
M&M
Savage Worlds
ORE
GURPS
OD6
Chimera
Pip
Wrath & Glory
The Witcher Role-Playing Game
Blue Rose (Vata)
Dragonstar
Swords & Wizardry
Bleak World
Certainly not Talislanta
Technically Elric! as well
Arkadia
Sorcerer & Sword
Wicked Age
Burning Wheel
Exalted
Dragon Warriors
Golden Heroes
Chainmail
Traveller
Rune Quest
Ruinshade
Asunder

Go ahead, don't slop around, get to work.
I guess there is also tvtropes and the "our elves are different" page

>>96423475
It has been done multiple times for most mainstream franchises and listing elves across different media makes no sense. Two stories can both have high elves. In one they're immortal demi gods in the other they just grow 300 years old and have classical architecture. Are you going to group those together or list them as high-elves-001 and high-elves-002? If you're doing the former your list is meaningless, if you're doing the latter, it's just an inane list of every fantasy story since ancient folklore with a sublist of elves.
Keep your idiocy and slop out of this thread.

>>96423494
You might have missed some, pal.

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>>96423510
Of course! And why make such a statement when you can help to expand this list and just name them?

>>96423507
As if the slopper asked a genuine question and wasn't just trying to have an excuse to post his abominations.

>>96420376
coomers are not good at focusing at anything other than ass and tits so they tend to ignore bad parts of art.

>>96423507
>it has been done multiple times for most mainstream franchises

May we see it?

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>>96422190
this list must be from AD&D
some high elf wizard is like 3000+ years old, Yvonnel was like 2000 years old when she died, Gromph is 1000 years old Elminster is actually older than Gromph
those are exceptional individuals, most die younger, some become old as balls

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>>96423475
Over cataloguing does more harm than good and results everything to pure archetype and trains people to remove context and execution while over fixating on category and classification.

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why is right hotter than left?

>>96427019
More ear to nibble

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>>96418994
in second age humans were 7 foot tall beasts
elves were getting "mogged" hard

but then again feanor was like 9 foot tall
funny how the the mightier they get in tolkiens work, the taller they become

anyone got the art where galadriel gifts you (the hobbit) the viola in pov? very beautiful art wanted to post that, but went missing in my fodler idk

>>96427782
numenorians were gigachads, not all humans
google says feanor was 7'5''

>>96427782
anything Tolkien other than the hobbit and lord of the rings has to be the biggest midwit lorefag trap of them all. It's either shit literally nobody cares about or shonen anime

>>96427782
damn i really cant find it
very blueish picture perhaps send in a recent thread but not the last
also there is an "anime" one were she looks kinda cute. also rather blue pic with glowing stuff around

>>96427637
ears approximately 1000% more sensitive too

>>96427905
Schizo.

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>>96421294
It just confirms that Tolkien elves were both physical juggernauts. Their complexion reflected their big spirit and same happened to some of the subraces of Men. As mentioned many times DnD is a super dogshit product that has trivialized and is outright hostile to fantasy races, all of them, not just elves. They have eliminated half-elves and all half races and most of race difference. People who are seriously into fantasy have stopped taking DnD seriously long ago.

>>96408755
Hot DAMN.
>>96409221
Forgotten Realms Wood Elves are kind of lame, all around.

>>96427019
More exotic? Implies things about the world it's in? Has associations with beauty, divine, and myth?

>>96427782
>humans were 7 foot tall beasts
Considering he described Galadriel as "man high" and she was 6'4, I sincerely doubt your average Dunedain was 7 foot tall. Perhaps the greatest among them, like Elendil, since he was specifically mentioned to be taller than normal.

>>96424891
Isn't that table just the stupid scale everything up so that elves for some reason take 150 years to understand things that take humans 15? Seems incredibly useless

>>96429364
aragorn is 6'6''

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>>96429364
>>96429652
Aragorn has elven ancestry and is tall? Interesting

>>96429448
Seems more like cultural or social maturity. An elf at 21 is about as mature, physically and mentally, as a 21 year old human.
But, unlike humans, elves live for centuries, if not millennia, and have vastly more life experience as a result.
From their side of the gulf of wisdom, a 21 year old adult might as well be a newborn or at least a child that just learned to walk.

Nobody's stopping you from being a young lad 20 years of age.
Humans and elves brought up outside of the traditional elven culture wouldn't bat an eye.
It's the elves that either lived for centuries, or brought up in a culture with the ones that did that will treat you like a baby.
>but muh dee en dee
Fuck D&D.

And now I'm picturing a young elf, raised in a human village, that's desperately trying to remain calm and refrain from throttling some ancient twit on one of his "kids these days" speeches.
Twitching eye, clenched fists, forced polite smile — the works. That's some culture shock for you.
>suddenly he understands why his dwarf and human friends can't stand other elves
>he can't stand them either

>>96430223
my high elves leave home at age 21 and start seeing the world on an extended spring break which lasts 79 years
coming back, they get to change their name because they survived the outside for 79 years and became adults through their experiences
>there may or may not be a cake
physically, they're fully grown

>>96430223
>Elves and humans have identical growth rates

Say, do you think Elves underwent the weird thing going now where 'adulthood' keeps being pushed back a few years at a time, but no one stopped it cause elves live so long they don't die of old age anyway?

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>>96430223
Many rules do say that a starting elf character should be around 100 years old, but gives them a small bonus in wisdom or something similar that in no way represents a lifetime of experiences.
Either give elf starting characters stat bonuses and skills commensurate with 100 years of experience or have them start at late teens like everyone else

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>>96430258
>they don't die of old age anyway?
Most elves in TTRPGs are not immortal.

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>>96430247
If you get down to it, this "spring break" constitutes an rite of passage into adulthood.
Something something elven society is highly ritualistic — a necessity born of need to get the various elders, each with their own set routines, to not get in each other's way.
Also, I don't know a cake that can keep for 80 years. Elven pastry must be something extraordinary.

>>96430258
Sounds about right. At some point we ourselves went with age of "adulthood" from 15 to 18, then some went from 18 to 21.
If life expectancy, and especially the duration of the physical prime, grows further, we should expect to see the age of adulthood pushed further.
Seems like a normal practice, to be honest. Whether that's a good or a bad thing is another matter.

>>96430276
>have them start at late teens like everyone else
This. Unless player explicitly wants to play a wizened old by human standards elf, in which case they should work something out with the DM to make it work.
Playing a young (<100yo) elf makes it easier to relate to others, especially the party members. Not everyone can pull off a detached immortal, far from it.
This makes starting age feel almost like an afterthought, with no regard for the life experience even the most sheltered of elves would accumulate, unless they were brain dead the whole time.

>>96430318
the implication is that they bake it when they come back, but elven spending time and effort into creating cake through magic which keeps itself fresh for at least 80 years has potential
>bakromancy, the art of reawakening the yeast

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>>96430318
>This makes starting age feel almost like an afterthought
Always wanted to make a game that takes different ages for character creation into account, being able to play a young, adult and seasoned human with different distributions for stats and skills. Older characters have more skills and abilities, but worse attributes. Maybe younger characters can learn skills quicker, although they shouldn't be able to catch up to the older characters during the campaign. But they have room to grow whereas old characters barely do.
And balance be damned, make it even more extreme with long-lived races. If the GM allows it, the 500 years old elf may just dunk on whatever orcs, trolls and monsters he throws at the party.
Maybe this could work if we take some notes with WFRP, where humans have more of the metacurrencies, and can therefore cheat death more often. If the 500 years old elf happens to fuck up, he's really fucked. Or with such a long lifespan come trauma, past grievances, obligations, duties and feuds.
Although, it's hard to fit massive discrepancies between characters like this into a resolution mechanic without it breaking itself. Only really the d100 comes to mind, at which point I might as well just run WFRP

>>96430363
>a game that takes different ages for character creation into account, being able to play a young, adult and seasoned human with different distributions for stats and skills. Older characters have more skills and abilities, but worse attributes. Maybe younger characters can learn skills quicker, although they shouldn't be able to catch up to the older characters during the campaign

That's exactly how chargen works in twilight 2000 and by extension the other games in the GDW house system. You can theoretically roll so "well" on the aging table that the character passes away before world war 3 starts

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>>96429282
>Stay strong
No, "stay classy".

>>96430363
>Older characters have more skills and abilities, but worse attributes.
Think of it as this:
>older characters have the skill and know-how, but they lack the vigor they had in youth to make good use of it
>younger characters have the strength, but lack the knowledge how to use it to best effect
Making it into something of a teacher-student, or master-apprentice arrangement could open the way for something interesting.
Helps if you can figure out a rough outline of what a PC can realistically achieve at the end of the campaign, and use that as the potential for growth.
Older chars are close to it, but shouldn't grow beyond it. Younger ones are far from it, but are expected to get there over the course of campaign.

You can also somewhat balance things by limiting how much xp you give the older characters, since they've likely already peaked at some point, and now it's all diminishing returns.
Not even elves are immune to becoming dogmatic and reluctant to change their ways when racking up years of life.
Thus slower growth for the old, and perhaps faster growth for the young, should they receive training or education of any kind from the veterans.
Young characters lack the wisdom and skill, but also have no laundry list of friends, enemies, frienemies, old flames still around, debts incurred or favors owed.
In that regard they're free to do as they please, whereas older characters may have a public image or a legend to uphold, obligations, contracts, and what have you.
They make doing things, especially ones that may have to do with legal system, or certain organizations, feel like wading through molasses.
Point is, you can balance things somewhat, if you really put your mind to it.

Do wood elves practice naturism?

>>96430709
Yes, and they are hairy.

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>rain
>can't go anywhere, rain
>okay I mak—oh but the rain limits my town actions
>fight other elves, actually besting them in combat due to stuns and support, but still lose three members of the party
>the two human guys are okay, but the leader rolls as dead
>adventure point into another dead result
>9+ avatar save, failed, but her talisman saves her life on a 5+
And she was doing so well cutting down two of the enemies before she totally beefed it.
And it rained again.
5 leagues certainly tells a story.

>>96430779
Perfect next tell me they have a strong aroma

>>96414120
Modern 5ekiddies seem to not know who Drizzt is, they just want to be a special snowflake. Drow are now just tieflings for people who want variety after their past 6 tiefling characters with daddy issues.
>t. joined a local D&D group because I wanted to roll dice and neither of the TWO drow players had ever heard of Drizzt

>>96431909
>>96432022
I recently re-read a lot of the Drizzt-related books while preparing for an underdark-campaign.
Drizzt narrates the prologue of each book/part.
Assuming he is the overall "voice" of most of the books, it onlynow struck me that he might certainly be a somewhat unreliable narrator.
That would explain a lot (if not all) of the utter retardation of drow culture as depicted in the books.

>>96432462
bad news, Drow are literally this retarded and Lolth has to aggressively micromanage them
if it makes you feel better 90% of what we see of the Drow is from Menzo, so there's hope only Menzoberranzan drow and the other drow have more than two brain cells

>>96432462
Drow culture is very simple, Lolth keeps everything VERY unstable and only held together by the force of her own dictatorial charisma. It's a fantasy police state where most of the citizens are also the enforcers, and the dictator's near omniscient gaze maintains the surveillance the police state requires.

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>>96427804
sry buddy i meant thingol he was 9 feet tall
couldnt remember
>>96429364
yes sorry i googled it, but they were quite mighty

anyway reason for my shitty drawing is that i need someone to find the original pic i have been missing
and im very sad that something is missing in my collection
like a dragon missing one of his jewels
>>96427905
shonen anime? because of all the battles getting lost or what?

>>96432542
I read somehwere that Menzo is indeed considered extreme even by Drow standards.

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>>96432687
dark elves sure are quick to encourage lewdness

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It is certainly something how fire emblem made its elves be mystical and fantastical despite the whole series being a fantasy one. Like, they're a myth, they live in a magical dreamland, removed as it were from the mortal plane.
Do you guys feel it's too much to make them the fair folk as they once had been in myth?

>>96432825
the way it sounds, it was the half-elven priestesses who betrayed Reinhar IX and Cathyr killed him herself
>her daughter was half-drow
Technically, the only winner in this war was Cathyr (and Loviatar and her priestesses)
a lot of Arkaiun ended up as slaves and the drow got a trade deal for a war which lasted decades

so, it was Cathyr who was farthest from the drow who encouraged interbreeding with the drow
>Or maybe it was more like an exchange of bodily fluids on a strictly business basis to encourage trade relationships between countries, pegging inlcuded?

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Alright guys, I have a theory. Hear me out:
What if everything related to modern coomer dommy-mommy depictions of dark elves are just very bad hallucinations caused by getting poisoned from the underground flora and fauna and natural gases and then encountering them? Dark elves are actually just a cute little elven things that live underground.
>Whoa, what a sexy voice you have
"You're having an ear infection, mister, and it's spreading to your brain"
>You have no clothes under that cape, right?
"Sir, hermits in general don't wear clothes, I didn't expect a random guy from the surface..."
>You gonna stab me with that knife?
"No, I need it to scrape mushrooms of the cave walls"
>You are xenophobes killing surface dwellers
"You dumbasses keep bringing diseases down here and spreading them like rats"
>You are all versed in different poisons
"That's because there are things here that can poison you and we're good at finding antidotes"
>You live in a disparaged, backstabbing society
"We nurture distance between individuals in order to prevent deadly plagues from spreading since our populations are not that big"
>You are so hot I wanna fuck you
"I'm sorry bro, it looks like your illness is terminal and you'll need to be put down in order to not spread more cordiceps spores through copulating into my dark elven hamlet"

picrel what an actual drow looks like

>>96433244
No.

>>96432825
>>96432687
Where do the Unicorn Overlord dark elves rate, their lore is kind of blank

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>>96433244
very cute dark elf and pretty fun concept. I'm not ready to give up hot drow babes however

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>>96430363
It occurs to me, the irony of DnD is Elves should have been the ones to get extra skills and a feat at level 1 instead of humans. What humans would get, I don't know, but it makes a lot more sense of a being that is X much older but still starting their first class level. Elves have time to master some practical things first. Humans just gotta launch in to it or else you're starting your first adventure at 40.

>>96432856
At this point, I think the group mind has divided elves from fair folk way too much. People would probably see it as a setting without elves instead.

>>96429652
I'm talking averages. I don't doubt there were some men from Numenor that were indeed 7 feet tall, just not all of them. Elendil is described as taller than "man-high" by nearly half a ranga, which would make him like 7 foot 9. Of course, this all depends on how much stock you put into the assorted notes Tolkien left behind. A lot of whats in Unfinished Tales is contradictory.

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>>96433406
they're cute and like humans

>>96434943
Yup. Races of the wild describes elves just as that. People who dedicate a lot of their life doing the most mundane things and getting really good with it. THe book also introduces a feat called Elf Dilettante which gives you a +1 in every untrained skill. Races of the wild describes. I personally believe humans should be treated as half-orcs stats-wise and elves (or half-elves for that matter) as humans and everything starts making sense.

I HATE ELVES

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>>96435723
I love elves

>>96435697
I mean, just using half orcs for human stats is more than a little problematic, but I guess the point of this thread isn't humans.

This would make elves the best race default due to how the best race feature has always been extra skills and a feat anyway. Unless you can twist something's race features around an overly specific build. I guess that's appropriate though since elves ARE supposed to be JUST BETTER. This makes that fact more coherent.

>>96433244
Doesn't explain drow raiding parties, unfortunately.

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>>96409145
all rules are made up, and thread guidelines are about staying on topic. The topic for this thread is elves, go be a faggot elsewhere.

>>96436365
>I guess that's appropriate though since elves ARE supposed to be JUST BETTER.
I think humans can be stronger and tougher and have some bonuses to survival/heal or diplomacy/knowledge depending on their environment

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>>96435802
Dwarves and Elves should be friends.

how can i see an older than 3 days thread?
want to go into the "comfy elf thread" buts is a 404
>>96432662
request still stands

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>>96438167
>how can i see an older than 3 days thread?
you use the archive
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/comfy%20elf%20thread/type/op/

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>+2 Int, -2 Con, 40ft speed, low-light vision, Immune to magic Sleep effects, +2 saves vs Enchantments, Detect Secret Doors, proficient with spears (all types)/javelins/shortbows/longbows, if they are (or become) proficient with any of these from a class they instead gain a +1 racial bonus to attacks with them, ignore the 2nd and 4th range increment penalties, +2 move silently, +2 listen/search/spot, Light Sleepers (only -2 penalty when in trance, 4 hours of trance)

>Typically chaotic good. Favored class is wizard

+2 int means they have the same skillpoints as humans and a general +1 to crafting/knowledge compared to other races. I think this speaks for itself.

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>>96438066
Brought together by how much they hate humans....

>>96438065
Shitpost inspiration incoming. +Cha +Con race. Maybe not much else going for it but that.

Make great paladins. Which seals the racial profile on why most paladins are humans. Also make great sorcerers. Not typically able to make great wizards due to their life span, but have shown a propensity for capturing magic out of sheer force. Or perhaps stubbornness. Which pisses elves off to no end. There's a strained relationship between human magic users and the typical wizard, as such.
> You are the worst magician I have ever seen!
> Ah, but you admit I am a magician.
Humans have the combination of recklessness and desperation to take the path of the sorcerer more eagerly. Longer lived races don't need to gamble with the danger nor limit themselves the way sorcerers can be.

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>>96438229
welp i couldnt find it
off to kms then

no way a dreamed of that image
anyway thanks alot

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>>96438298
>Brought together by how much they hate humans....

I like to read the fantasy racism angle as just good natured ribbing from people who talk a certain way. It's like calling someone a cunt in Australia. It's all a big joke the humans don't get.

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>>96432687
>one of the few characters to actually settle down in their epilogue
He fucking won.

>>96439019
>with a human that dies far sooner than him

How sat

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>>96435284
Now that's just a blatant lie.

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>>96436365
>since elves ARE supposed to be JUST BETTER
No, they are not. They should be if it makes logical sense within the setting (and may not apply player characters). Tolkiens elves have a justification (and even they weren't the best at everything), and setting-agnostic it makes sense when they dedicate their long lives to mastering vatious skills. A benefit player characters may not have.
Elves shouldn't just be better by default. That's a dumb stereotype. Maybe you didn't mean it this way, so excuse my rant.

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>>96438298
I'm all for locking certain classes behind races. It makes sense and it makes retards seethe because MUH HIGH ELF BARBARIAN

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>>96439145
Okay, that looks very cool, ngl

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>>96439184
Allow elves to have some testosterone.
Barbarians could just be the wood/wild elves variant of the fighter, if you want restricted classes.

>>96439109
there are race-locked classes, but barbarian is not one of them
it is still kind of weird, because High elves get a cantrip based on int- so, picking high elf barbarian- not very optimized

>>96439392
That's a D&D specific shortcoming.

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>>96439040
>cute dark elf confirms he likes humans

checks out, because dark elves are cute and like humans

>>96440386
>>96435284
the human girl looks more elf-like than the supposed dark 'elves'
at this point I believe this game is hentai or ecchi? I mean the only good thing seems to be big tittie elves, same reason people watch isekai

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Rosalinde secondaries are horrible people.

>>96440407
It's a strategy game.

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>>96440407
Unicorn Overlord is a fantastic game.
I just played it and had trouble putting it down, such is the addiction
The girls and waifufagging is part of the game and you can bet that's what a lot of the discussion on this part of the internet focuses around. However, most girls still wear regular clothes, there is hardly any "fanservice" aside from some girls/units having nice animations. Roughly half the cast is males as well.
Also, many people that post that particular dark elf are secondaries that only masturbate to fanart.

>>96440463
>wear regular clothes
>posts stripper
you're not helping your case

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>>96440407
>the human girl looks more elf-like than the supposed dark 'elves'
clearly that's why the dark elf dude is into her!

>>96440407
>only good thing seems to be big tittie elves
it's not, but big tittie elves are always good

>>96440515
>>96440463
you know you could just start a thread in /e/? You know how that works? Or /v/? /vg/ has a 2d hentai-games thread just for you guys, I'm sure you'll like it

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>>96440495
There are several statements in my post, but you can only post one picture.
>>96440535
It's not a hentai-game. Barely thread-related, that's for sure.

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>>96440535
you know you're not a real janny right?

>>96440463
Shame it's censored. Can't monetarily support such practices.

>>96439083
Spending 100 years before you actually do anything should count for something, and humans have classically been the best all-around race choice because of the feat and skills. It's a prime choice for a race if you want to make them generally better to pick by default.

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>>96439109
Not like we truly need race locked classes. Any RPG with races that adjust base stats is more than enough encouragement to push certain choices. DnD is, as always, the best all-around example. Humans classically are the go-to for a build because you can't go wrong with a feat and a skill. You really only pick other races if you want the flavor (even for the purpose of mismatched flavor) or the race leans into what you want to do better.

I'll agree though. Having classes be represented almost entirely by specific races is cool. Monks and Paladins used to be a human only phenomenon, for example.

>>96439145
This image is why elves should be fairly tall on average.

I want a prepubescent elf wife who actually 20 years older than me.

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>>96441621
Certainly.

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>>96440515

>>96441653
Hello, FBI.

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>>96441586
These things have already been mentioned in this thread.
Many systems don't require you to play an elf with that lifespan. Just play a young one. Playing a 250 years old level 1 elf is as stupid as playing a wise greybeard wizard that also starts at level 1.
If a system forces one to play an elf that already spend so much time on the planet, and he doesn't get any extra skills for it, then it's a stupid system. Albeit, these are also abstractions and shouldn't be taken too seriously.
It also seems like you haven't read that post. An elf shouldn't just be the best because elf. But because they dedicated their life to increase their skills. Something a young elf is just starting to do.

>>96441833
Not my fault I got sold to her.

>>96441653
that's not how it works , a twenty-year-old elf is going to be on the same emotional and physical level as a human 20-year-old
anime was a mistake

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practically and safety speaking, discounting any personal preferences, would it be better to have your elf harem be one type of elf, a few types of elves or as many elf types as possible?

Slop image.
Slop post of zero value.

>>96442121
idk
you want 50 diamonds
or 50 different crystals with different colours?

>>96442121
I think that depends on whether I get to be a dragon (and what kind of dragon) or not.

>>96442121
Different types. If they start fighting, dick them down to reassert dominance. If one of the girls keeps trying to fight the other girls, it means she wants dick. Just give it to her since there's enough to go around.

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>>96442148
in an environment were the gems interact with each other the nature of those interactions would inform my decision

>>96442178
that's a variable I didn't take into account, how would that affect the answer?

>>96442205
>how would that affect the answer?
The easier a time I have to travel from one land to another, the bigger my desire will be to acquire many different elf women to ride on my back and show them the horizon of a different sky. If I'm just me, then I'll take smol elves and give them piggy back rides on the way home from the market.

>>96442201
makes sense as a rule of thumb

>>96442237
that sounds more like a different, but still important question: where to find the harem members to begin with? I assumed a scenario where the harem is already filled. You have a good point that ability to travel far would influence how easy it would be to collect different types however.

>>96442205
>>96442121

begone

>>96442121
>>96442205
>Derail multiple threads
>Specificly off topic per OP
>Only able to post lowest tier coom shitposts
You guys are a fucking disease.

>>96414120
The darkest-skinned elves should be those with the most sun exposure: those who live in the most open terrain on the surface. Conversely, subterranean "dark elves" should be albino, or close to it. Wood elves should be in between, leaning toward the former's tone due to both sun exposure and more intermixing between the two populations, as opposed to the isolated "dark" elves.

>>96443198
I believe they attributed the dark skin to the underground elves to the weird magical radiation that permeates the underdark.

>>96442483
>a different, but still important question
My question was "what great beast do elves look best riding on the back of?"

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luv elves, simple as

>>96443284
Don't forget that there's also corellon cursing them for siding with lolth
>Why it hit the non-lolth worshipping drow too?
>Because he's a dick
>That's the dude who made gruumsh one eyed because he could look into the future- are we sure he's good?

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>>96444752
they look better when drawn by humans too.

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>>96444965
>for your heinous betrayal (even you guys that didn't betray me) I will punish you by... turning you BLACK!

Corellion never beating the bigot chud allegations. trying to gain sympathy by trooning out isn't helping

>>96443198
>Wood elves
>Wood
>Sun exposure
You mean wild elves?

>>96408710
I like the pointy ears when they're not femme DnD slop. Manly Tolkein elves are top tier.

>>96444965
originally, all drow were evil
it wasnt until drizzt/salvatore that nonevil drow became a possibility
gruumsh is a psychopath so that was based; shame it didnt kill him

>>96443433
This comic was absolute kino and it's a damn shame the dark elf queen only showed up like one other time.

High/Light
Wood
Dark

The perfect amount of elven subraces

>>96445964
You don't need subraces, just have major direction of elven culture, i.e. the Sun Elves, and the Moon Elves.
Former embodies boldness, extraversion, extravagance, and a search for glory, whether though combat or craftsmanship.
Latter embodies subtlety, introversion, control, and a search for knowledge, whether through scientific study or mystic contemplation.
Everything else is regional variety, with local culture taking from the respective major direction, or being a varying mix of both.

>Sun Elves are Chad warrior poets
>Moon Elves are edgy shadow blades
Something like this.

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Druchii or Drukhari?

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>>96447214
>Hellebron
>not an old hag

Laughs in Morathi.

>>96447214
>Reading Malus Darkblade
>'young druchii'
I'm close to the end and I don't think a single 'young druchii' has survived those books thus far
it is funny to imagine Malus as a guy who just hates teenagers

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>>96447468
I mean in fairness of you're a druchii and not a main character you're chances of survival are pretty close to zero.

>>96447523
>taking dragons as pets
wow, that's so offensive, dragons are majestic creatures, they shouldn't be turned into fancy pets

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>>96447589
Dragons are wives.
Miao.png
Here's an elf because elf thread.

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>>96448014
So many Imrik x Miao Ying pics to choose, and you picked a half-elf.

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>>96448073
>Dear Miao Ying
>I sent you a trade request, please respond
>I'd ride (for) you into battle
>XOXO Imrik, Rider of dragons but also willing to be ridden by them

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Love is in the air.

>>96439083
>Elves shouldn't just be better by default. That's a dumb stereotype.
Yes, because the real snowflake race is humans. Especially in DnD inspired slop.

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I like elves who look like this.

>>96452471
an elf not using an elven sword? gross

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>>96452988
I'm not aware of there being an official definition of what an "elven sword" is.

>>96453891
You'll know it when you see it, they're not as crude as human weapons

>>96453891
>>96454307
Elven sword:
>Sword owned by elf
>Sword made by elf
>Sword made out of elves
>Elf who was turned into a sword

>>96454307
Nonsense
>>96454622
Correct answer

>>96454622
>Sword who was turned into an elf

>>96455687
that's not an elven sword, that's a sworden elf

>>96455687
sounds edgy

>>96455687
>earknife