FUCK SPOODERMAN EDITION>ReminderUnbanning Heartfire Hero is the only thing that can save Standard from Vivi>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96365430>TQSPOODERMAN, worst set ever or worst set so-far?
Lorwyn was worse for the game but spiderman is gayer
wtf is mtg anymore
>tqI hope this SPOODERMAN card is the first thing Richard Garfield (praise be upon him) sees when he arrives in Hell
Real last thread here, OP is bad at baking>>96365430
>>96429008A lame and Gay lesbian woman.>>96429015lmao but he isn't to blame on what is happening to mtg>>96429007No, Lorwyn was cool and standard was cool as fuck with Kithkin tribal being playable.
Premodern sucks and only low iq brown people play itPauper is thinking men mtg
>>96429022Did we finally reunited into one Thread?
>>96429027>Lorwyn was coolNo. Planeswalkers are for fags.
>>96429033inshallah, my brother in Christ
>>96429034Only Jace, Garruk, and Chandra where somewhat playable. Planeswalker back then were ok.
>>96429040Playability has nothing to do with them ruining the game.
>>96429042Stop trying to shift blame from MaRo to Planeswalkers.
>>96429034reddit opinion
>>96429045Weird cope. They can both be terrible.
>>96429053You wouldn't be able to explain why you like them if you tried.
>>96429045planescwalkers are maros faultim the planeswalker, why is this random nigga on the board calling itself one
>the commander general is slower than /mtg/Wtf how?
Shilling Pauper
>>96429103Standard is unplayable until December 2025. The SCG Vivi is this weekend, it will be 16 Vivi decks in the Top 16. Screencap it.
New thread up>>96365430>>96365430>>96365430>>96365430
>>96429008Mtg?
>>96429124>still shilling his shitty splinter>didn't even pretend to wait for bump limit
>>96429015Reddit got the worse images.
Duskmourn flavor was really cooking. I can get why some people disliked it but personally I am into it
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With this set having more hybrid cards do you think they will amend the commander to allow your monocolor decks to include hybrids.
>Won first two matches against lifegain and UG aggro (both 2-1)>Got pummeled by Vivi in the third match (won game 2 though because I drew into enough removal and he couldn't block the wasps)I'm so glad insects are finally viable outside commander. I'm gonna savor it as much as I can!>>96428982>TQSome cards look kinda powerful, but the set overall looks like slop, which is fine by me since that just means we'll see less of it in standard. I just hope With Great Power... doesn't become meta, having to run tons of exile and enchantment removal would be annoying.>>96429261I assume it's more because there aren't any taplands in the set like with Final Fantasy, and they wanted all the characters to have fitting color identities.
>>96429113>blue Pauper deck>no Hydroblast/BEB in the sideboard
>>96429419They said it was specifically for the pick 2 draft.
>>96429173
>>96429447get some new material
>>96429449o burro fala sobre orelhas
>>96429455wait are you some self hating brazilian?
>>96429449>ritual post>get mad when people ritual post back
>>96429472i'm not mad, just disappoint
hurr durr brazilianbrazilian lmaoepic my guy, simply epic
>>96429472One is ritual post, the other is ritual shitpost. They're not the same.
maybe we wont get brazil shitpost if you guys get your thread like edh non players and arena babies
>>96429513the arena thread is the brazilian one
>>96429513True, a real tread for real Magic.#premodernrules
>>96429539What's the problem of playin with proxies?
>>96429539okay, retard.
A GUY IN A FUCKING CHAIR
This is the slop future (You) chose.
>>96429691hes just like me fr fr
Guy in the Cuck Chair2WCreature - Human Advisor2/3This creature can't attackWhenever you attack with two or more creatures that have different colors, create a treasure token.
>>96428982Avatar flavor text is SO BAD
MTG "formats" that are certifiably awful and boring and don't qualify as real magic:>Alchemy>Pre-modern>Historic
>>96429618EDHands wrote these words
>>96429156Yeah, some idiot decided to take pictures of his computer instead of screenshots like a normal person.
>>96428982What mono color is competitive in MTGA Standard?I was using a mono green Timmy ramp dino but I want to switch to something better.Something cheap and wouldn't cost me a shit ton of Wildcards.Also nothing too complex that requires too many combos.I was thinking of mono red direct damage spell spam, but IDK...
>>96429990you forgot Commander/EDH, that one is also boring enough to not qualify as real Magic
Why does this card cost $0.5 USD in China for the CN-S version, but buying an English version on the same store or in the West costs much more, around $7.5?
>>96430621people like being able to read the cards they play.moon runes are unreadable.
>>96430653>doesn't remember what manifold key's text by heart>playing formats where it is legalDoesn't compute
>>96430851>used for vault/key>ever using the second abilityI don't often remember flavor text.
What realy hits me that underneath all the copyrighted cringe, most of the Spiderman cards are just bad and boring.
What should fucking happen for blocks to come back? I can't deal anymore with neither, the amount of products, the shitty themes like this Spooderman set and the absolute disconnection between such products, for example Warp, a nice mechanic that i will have to wait for EoE 2 to see...
this game is shitSHIT
>>96431234But a financially succesful shit :D
>>96430982
folks, if even Savage Knuckleblade transitioned, what hope is there for the rest of us?
>>96431301he took the wow-pill
>>96431301Not audacious enough
>>96431301Would
>thread goes to shit the second premodern is mentionedat this point whoever makes the copy pasta
If you had a time machine and you have the chance to make one and ONLY ONE change into current Magic: The Gathering what would you do?
>>96431439Fire Maro, keep garfield
>>96431439erase coomander. the root of all evil.
>>96431424don't worry jannies will clean it up and i'll keep check itt once a day or so to make sure the racist sister learns proper behavior one way or the other
>>96431439have aol buy wotc instead of hasbro and start mailing cards along with their stupid free net cds
>>96431439Assassinate Adam Staley, Sheldon Menery, whoever created EDH.
Good morning
>>96431439Fire COCKS and Nosewater. Both of them are faggots.
Does this mean I cannot play Premodern outside Brazil?
>>96429034This. PWs paved the way into marvelesque multiversal fanservice tier slop.
>>96429419List?
>>96430335Monored aggro and monogreen landfall are very strong right now, and believe it or not monowhite lifegain has had enough cards shoved down our throats it's actually consistent for ladder. W tokens control is also pretty decent. Monoblack demons is also a solid workhorse. Blue is the only color I haven't seen much of solo.
I smiled
>>96432164Why?
>>96430982Yeah. The ATLA cards actually look like they have some love put into them, while the SM ones are just completely paint-by-numbers or else meme designs (menace guys, get it?)
i really can't understand who spider-man set target audience is. and i like spider-.man.
>>96432214>spiderman bad>gay anime for 10 year olds goodYou are why spiderman is in magic.
>>96432173It's the first card from the set that seems like a human being made it.
I wonder if this will be abuseable at all in the current meta.
>>96432259Are you blind? That shit is obviously ai.
>>96432272They really wanted to make tyrant playable, huh?
>>964322723 mana 2 flying beater that floats mana, hits face and produces the aggro mana?Yes.
>>96432272Just wait for Firebend. The retards that thought that shit will not be broken will be the same crying here after ATLA.
>>96432284It's a complete flavor win, unlike every other card in the set so far.
Disregard Spider-Man, await Though the Omenpaths.
>>96432361Okay but who will be Peter Porker?And Guy in the Chair?And India Spider-Man? Saheeli?
>>96431439Eliminate FIRE as a design principle.
>>96432399Peter Porker will be Domri Rade.Guy in the Chair whatever.Indian Spider Man could be Saheeli, but it's Selesnya, so maybe Emmara?
>>96432337If you know enough about capeshit to call things flavor wins and fails your opinion is meaningless.
>>96432472>if you know capeshit, your opinion about capeshit is meaningless
>>96432247I'm not talking about the IPs in and of themselves, I'm talking about the cards. For better or worse, whoever's working on the ATLA set has put a lot more effort in interesting and flavorful designs than the same for SM.
Arenachads are getting the none capeshit version of the set, we won
>>96431570Photoshop it to sayLegendary Creature - Spider Pajeet Hero
>>96432610Pajeet is just a name, it doesn't make sense.
>>96432468Katilda seems more likely as a Selesnya that gives counters and flying.
>>96432699poojeet
>>96432592I genuinely am looking forward to what cobbled-together flavor they come up with for the Spider-man set way more than the set itself. I wonder if "Symbiote" is out too or if they carved out an exception.
>>96432577>has put a lot more effort in interesting and flavorful designs Another great aspect of UB is retards claiming this when taking any given recognizable thing and making it work with magic mechanics has been done to death 100 times over in the custom card thread for years, it's actually really easy as most of the work is already done for you >whoa bro they represented jon snow bending the knee with a tapping ability and phillip j fry with a suspend cost brooooo bro they care about the game the flavor bro i'm ordering $24 booster packs as I type this
>>96432837"Spawn" is an official MTG creature type.
looking at the spiderman and avatar cards:spiderman: garbage, just plain garbage. I try to be a little even-handed and grade UBslop on a curve of "well at least it's capturing the flavor" but they don't even do that rightavatar: better but I still don't really like it. think them making so many cards that are just the world's weird-ass creatures is a cute touch but I have to assume it's really only to pay off some old bloomburrow tribal stategies more than anything else. have some real reservations about the ways the various bending techniques are integrated into gameplay
>>96432526Yes, glad you're getting it.
>>96433142I'm not stupid enough to get it. I am only inferring the possible meaning.
>Always liked spiders as a tribe and wanted more support for them>Finally get an entirely spider-centric set>But 99% of the "spiders" are just masked humans with no synergy with existing spider archetypes
>>96433217Domri Rade, Spider Lord.
>>96432472I'm gonna be honest, most people have absorbed the idea of JJJ calling Spider-Man a menace through cultural osmosis. My 80 year old mother knows this much and has never read a Marvel comic that wasn't in a newspaper. The only Spider-Man content I've ever experienced was one of the Tobey Maguire movies decades ago. It's actually weirder to have somehow completely avoided this entirely surface level information for your entire life.
>>96433217Also the Punk.
>>96433262If only there were more red (actual) spiders
>>96433318Red will serve as support.
I was going off with a Vivi cauldron deck just now and took a 10 minute turn and not enjoying a second of it, I just felt tired. That's when I knew Standard is actually just cooked
>>96433389>Standard is actually just cookedYes, that's what cauldrons are for.
>>96431439kill whoever decided to make planeswalkers a card type
>>96431439Stop it from being created. Basically every impact MtG has had on the world has been negative.
>>96433243>uses one word>woah the flavorYou guys are so gay
>>96433626Who would have guessed that the franchise that stars a boy who wears skin-tight spandex and shoots sticky white liquid in his free time actually attracts a lot of gay men.
>>96433626>Magic players are gayHmm I wonder why
>>96433626honestly explains why magic's core audience used to be white racist women (male) and why ygo audience is mostly black, in the west
You know I always find it funny how Harry Potter became the punching bag for "don't support this super popular media because of its author."Largely because it doesn't ask people to make any real concessions.By the time this movement came about HP had already faded out of relevance on account of the mainline books and movies being finished for years, and the only real supplements were a book/play that sucked. Nobody was supporting Harry Potter because there wasn't even a real way to do that.The last time this moral resolve was even remotely tested was a video game that sold like hotcakes despite a smear campaign that tried to cancel anyone who streamed under its category even once. It's very clear that any amount of virtue signaling is not even a factor for 90% of consumers.People like to pretend WotC is above shit like UB: Harry Potter, but seeing as how we got knockoff Harry Potter (Strixhaven) as a UW set it's clear they would bend over backwards for it if they thought it would make them enough money.
>>96433890WoTC is based in the tranny capital of the country, I feel like there'd be a lot of internal opposition to it and employees threatening to leave.
>Worlds are Standard on Arena>the cards will be UW instead Spider-Man
>>96433915Didn't stop them from making their own Hogwarts because they thought there was a market for it.
>>96433678Feels like projection to me (why do you have that saved??)
>>96431439Shoot Garfield in the back of the head
I don't hate Strixhaven but i hate the fact that is behind the most retarded pairs... And that they will not make something like a rival school with the good colour pairs.
>>96433849go back
They did bottom surgery on the Bolas. My Bolas, desaparecidas.
Harry Potter UB is inevitable.There is just too much money to do otherwise
>>96434367Does he know?
honestly UB is just the logical conclusion of what UW was doing for years>not-asgard>not-harry-potter>not-wacky-racing They just stopped pretending
>>96434392Nah, Universes Within can be bad but looking at these last 3 sets i really would rather these UB shit never existed...
>>96434436>Ultimate Daydreams>The Superlative Arachnid Fellow>Master of the Elements - The Final Windtwister Better?
>>96434359Once again a woman is a mere pale imitation of the peak form that is the gay male dragon.
>>96434541that dragon looks like he sucks dick for meth
once wotc does enough marvel slop, star wars, nintendo trash, ub will die and there will be rage over that cause no one will look forward to playing with wotc's "trans hag person of color" ocs
>>96434620Don't slander him. He sucks dick because he likes sucking dick.
>>96434541>>96434620>>96434630this is what a dragon looks like when you game caters to straight men, not violent homosexuals' seeking to groom new players
>>96434650>Has breeding hips>MaleYeah whatever homo.
What can be done to make Standard the main game again?>Stop making content for Commander>Remove Commander cards from packsOr would it take a very drastic change via just removing the game mode entirely, shutting down Arena, and forbidding Commander from being played at LGS?
>>96434673Playtest the cards for constructed before release, something WotC hasn't done since 2018.
>>96434359Some of these girls have sexy bodies. Why didn't WotC scream at them to make more Transit Mages?
Because Trump just cut funding to DEI, how long til everyone starts feeling the effects of it being cut in Magic? A year or two?
>>96434673I doubt it's reversible. It's way easier to cater to casual players who will just buy some precons and treat the game like a board game to pick up once every few weeks.
nobody cares about your anitroon trash
>>96434687ugly women (male) are reserved only for oc sets to make them unappealing as possible to art in ub slop is praised for not looking fugly like in oc sets, therefore facilitating pushing the narrative "ub is better than oc" to investors
>>96434709Anon, for far too long Fantasy, as a genre…
New spoilers.
>>96434673Put the commander cards in their own commander masters product to get them out of normal packs.>>96434767Would be more fun if you could put 2 human spider creatures on the battlefield.
>>96434767That's quite good.
>>96429618You forgot the best part where you can dump your entire turn one with dark ritual and a bunch of one drops. Also dreadnought is a push-over. It's cool when you start with the combo and you got the right draws to protect it from swords/innocent blood/counterspells, otherwise it's hit or miss and isn't Psychatog so it's really lame. It takes a lot of skill and luck to play it as most old OP combo decks do. It's quite a different game from the nu-MTG combo game that often takes little to no skill to play. >stasis>winter orbHurts you too. Stasis deck is good when it hits. But when it misses, it misses hard. Winter orb really only works well >red/green land destructionIt's a cool idea. But loses to any decent aggro deck because their spells cost 1-2 to accumulate to 20 or more damage by turn 4-5. Whereas land destruction costs 3 or more mana. Ponza is meh and too slow. Loses the game by choice of the player to play it.Armageddon is only worth running if you put mox diamond into your deck and syncs with it well like the gro-atog, super grow, or terrageddon. To get the benefits of geddon, you have to have creatures in play and make sure your opponent has nothing in play after the spell goes off so it requires a set up.>Parallax TideIt's cool for a turn. But it's turn 4 to put it into play without ramp. It's turn 5-6 to put it into play and destroy it or chains it to make the exiles permanent. Doesn't matter if your opponent has creatures in play and can attack next turn to kill you. Needs a set up. It's like standstill and geddon. Annoying, but if timed wrong, it doesn't matter.Now if you're running Opalescence and Parallax Wave with Tide, then you can infinite exile any non-artifact you don't like unless they have something that gives the targets shroud before you get the stuff into play. Opalescence + Wave is good on its own too since all your opponent's enchants and creatures are gone.
>>96434805Based Tog poster.
>>96434673Excuse? They are doing EVERYTHING in their power and i mean EVERYTHING including cut all the support from a format like Pioneer to make Standard the "main door" to Magic. Increase Rotation, Extend the amount of sets, don't neglect the format like they did with others like Legacy or Modern. And you know what the conclusion of all that effort is? Standard is and will keep being looking at the upcoming sets a huge and stinky pile of shit dominated by aggro because these stupid faggots didnt take into account that making all those changes would require also better design policies that, sadly, they are mentally unable to apply.So yeah. Asstandard maybe is having the biggest amount of attention by WotC ever, but the format as a whole is a huge trash, and unbereable since months.
>>96434829WotC will do anything as long as it doesn't require actual effort.
>>96434953And that's the problem, have a functional and playable format actually requires effort, is not as easy as print a fucking Vivi, get all those sheckels and then call it a day.
>>96430964The second ability is very relevant for the construct backup plan that every cares-about-artifacts deck has access to
>>96434367Half the WotC staff would legitimately revolt, no matter how many black Hermiones you shoved in
>>96435151Half of WotC staff revolts every other week. Their employee turnover is enormous because they pay like shit and overwork you.
>>96435151Good
>>96431883This is the list I have right now. I'm still waiting on shocklands and Scene of the Crime to arrive by mail. I'll probably cut a Rite of the Moth to bring the lands up to 22 since it wasn't really useful in my hand outside the occasional turn 3 Overlord and is mostly there for flashback anyway.
>>96435046I don't really know how often it'll come up but sure, I guess that probably happens off Urza's Saga.
Has there ever been a more miserable time to play control? Everything punishes you for leaving the field, gaining life, drawing, this shit feels ass
Rats go brr
>>96435407Dragon Shield is shit.
got this at gamescom and it was such a shitfest. people lined up directly at the MtG-booth and most of them were fatties. one peticular group were fatties with MtG clothes (like wearing a t-shirt with the spark symbol on the front) and they pretended to be new to the game and demanded a ~20 minute introduction to the game just to grab this promo card (which goes for around ~70€). they lined up again directly after receiving the promo
>>96434687Marvel told WotC that the art had to be on model for the character, if I guess.
>>96435600Fine fine, okay, but you only get to continue complaining if you can honestly say you wouldn't want to lick that midriff.
>>96435600>They lined up again.All of that fat must be cutting off circulation to their brains, what was their plan if they were immediately recognized? Play dumb and then demand another 20 minute demonstration?
So one of the main mechanics in Spiderman is designed to work perfectly with Vivi Cauldron and discarding? If they don't ban Vivi I think I'll just totally stop playing standard.
>>96435415What is the alternative?
>>96431439Make their headquarters be a third world trade center building.
>>96435668Oh wait you are CURRENTLY playing Standard?Anon?
>>96435667they did this like 4-5 times (the queues were long) until the end of the fair day. the people at the booth couldnt send them away, as this was some WotC policy
>>96435668What's crazy is how versatile a lot of them are. Ultimate Green Goblin is a Rotting Regisaur with an equivalent mayhem cost and makes treasure tokens, pic related gets 7 power and toughness on the board plus rummage 2, probably for only two mana, and all right after Monument to Endurance saw decent play between the end-of-June banning and Vivi taking the spotlight. Even without Vivi, mayhem is definitely becoming prominent in standard guaranteed (unless some other bullshit gets broken, you never know anymore).
>>96435746That sucks. Probably a bunch of scalpers, looking to make a pretty penny on an Avatar card of all things.
>>96435766I don't mind Mayhem in a vacuum, it's a fun mechanic and graveyards are easy to interact with these days. It will be toxic if any of these cards just juice Vivi more, and they will
>>96435782The main thing stopping that from happening is the fact that they've only shown off one noncreature spell with mayhem and it's a shitty creature burn spell. Once they spoil a rare instant with a cheap mayhem cost that "does thing, draw card", then we should be worried. Pick related might be useful in the deck, but I don't see it adding much efficiency to the deck outside making Stock Up cheaper.
I'm confident ATLA will impact more constructed than shitty Spooderman, and thank god because 99% of this cards are absolutely hideous or just plainly laughable.
Eddie Brock does not Meld with The Symbiote to create Venom.2/10 you fucked up start the set over Wizards.
At the Gamescom fair, there was also a climbing wall for the Paramount Spiderman event. Participants had to climb the wall, retrieve one of several balls from the top, and bring it down. Each ball contained a piece of paper with a specific prize. The consolation prizes included a keychain (a chibi version of Liliana, Chandra, etc.). you could also win either a Commander Deck, a Commander Deck Bundle (all Takrir), or the decks shown in the picture. I only got a commander deck but my friend got the 4 decks in pic related.
>>96435766>mayhem is definitely becoming prominent in standard guaranteedToo easy to hate out
>>96435905You're probably right, after all I've seen people mainboard Ghost Vacuum just to beat Cauldron to the punch. Maybe death and taxes will finally make its comeback in standard now that so much of the meta relies on graveyard value, broken activated abilities and versatile triggered abilities.
>>96435699Katana sleeves from Ultimate Guard.Designed in Germany, made in Japan.
>>96435766Rotting Regisaur being a 7/6 putting opp on a 3 turn clock makes it uncomparable here
>>96436028>$25 for a pack of plastic
>>96435964If anything they should reprint null rod too.
>>96436144Null rod and cursed totem in one card that only costs 2 colorless mana and applies to all non-land permanents.
these two would make a cute couple desu
>>96436188>She/HerI doubt it.
>>96428982bros, do you think the game can get worse? surely we're at rock bottom and the game heals from here. this is for people who don't really enjoy all the collab spam. at some point collab spam will stop being popular with the majority of the fanbase awnd it'll just be collector cards right? dunno am I just being delusional thinking that we can go back to 2010s mtg.
>>96436188Reid Duke is kind of autistic but he’s actually quite hot. He’s the sort of guy I would go for.You don’t see many magic players that good looking
>>96436198Your gaydar started beeping?
>>96436228It's always beeping when I browse this thread.
>>96436198Bro that’s obviously a real woman get your eyes checked
>>96436198Eye-lid is name you can only be given by a lonely midwestern white woman. A trans that picked their own name would be called Luna or Rose
>>96436198Nah it's a she, just looks like a fetal alcohol syndrome baby. It's the face shape.
>spoiler season againOh sorry, we PremodernGODS couldn't give two cents about whatsoever the new slop WOTC is doing
>>96436305go ahead and make your own /pmmtg/ thread and see how that goes
>>96436112Sucks to be (You), poorfag.
>>96436305Holy BASED!
>>96436422keep wasting money on plastic to pretend you're rich
I wish they stop being turbojews and bring challenger decks back
>>96436703I guess if the Chinese proxy makers can figure out how to make perfect replicas of MTG cards, they'd be able to destroy JotC.
>>96436608They've been replaced by commander decks.
>>96436763starting to hate commander killing every other format
>>96436494My expensive cards demand only the best high-quality plastic.
Yugioh is influencing real world politicsWhen will mtg grow up?
>>96436850MtG already controls the stock market
>>96436850wake me up when yugioh engineers a global pandemic to advertise their latest set
>>96436841>best high-quality plasticThey're probably all made in the factory in China.
>>96436850>when you desperately need that black people votes
>>96436703>JotC drives up booster and box prices>refuses to print older sets because it's somehow too expensive even though computerization of printing and their own "the list reprints" renders this argument false>coomander sloppers drive up singles prices across the board
>>96436971They say "Made in Japan".
>>96437007>he fell for it
>>96436215The abyss is bottomless. When you think something cannot possibly get worse, simply just watch for a few minutes as it collapses into depravities you could not even anticipate.
>>96436215Even if they stop with UB slop, constant commander pandering and multiple sets per year, the products will never be cheaper. This fact alone is an indication it can't never go uphill from here.
>>96437011Can you prove they aren't made in Japan?
>>96437096Proving a negative?
>>96437106If it's literally written "made in Japan", how is it a negative?
https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=67050&d=707207&f=PIjaps are so fucking based holy fuck
>>96437137>play Reggie turn 2>win
>DM makes a DnD campaign based on Ravnica>Azorius is the DMV>Orzhov is a synagogue>Dimir is an edgy anime club>Izzet is a gay bar>Rakdos is Pleasure Island>Golgari is a Bug Burger>Gruul is Detroit>Boros is the WNBA>Selesnya is a vegan union>Simic is universal healthcareHow accurate is this? I never played MtG but everyone else was laughing at it.
>>96437159>>Orzhov is a synagogue>>Gruul is Detroitlmao
>>96437159very accurate
>>96437096>made in XJust means some trivial process happened there that allows them to legally put the phrase on their box. In reality everything is made in China.
>>96437192Proof?
>>96437198Go outside kid
>>96431439Stop the fomo of SLD
>>96437269Nice proof, retard. Keep talking out of your ass, please.
I luv my beloved wife.
>>96436703I just buy singles of cards I want, and because I don't play standard anymore, I never have to buy 4x copies of expensive cards.
>>96430621Chinese people will just counterfeit one instead of paying more than $3 for a card. Market is capped. Smart goyins are happy goyins.>>96431439Only contract neckbeard nerds into wotc and let all the wokes unemployed?>>96432293They could do it if the game wasn't as unbalanced as it is now.>>96432361Can't wait for Rakdos cosplaying Marilyn Monroe while singing Mr Mindreader to Jace! >>96437137damn, I didn't knew this card existed.
>>96437280>he's really this dumb
>>96437469Okay, retard.
you're both sub 80 IQ for having this argument in the first place.
I wonder how many more years til MtG just abandons their own IP and it's just UB from this point forward
>>96437318How old is this art? I highly doubt it's from 2021.
>>96438041https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=released&q=%21%22Quirion+Ranger%22+include%3Aextras&unique=printsLook for yourself
Is this worth 1.4k?
>>96438107beauty is in the eye of the beholder anon
I played Enchantress in Premodern today, 9 player event with 4 rounds and a top 4 cut. I started to copy the winning Lobstercon list with an adjusted sideboard, then went to copy Sam Black's Naya control enchantress list, then pivoted back to the former and ended up with a 61 card deck with a suboptimal sideboard. The event was scheduled at midday and when I showed up, the other players were waiting outside the still closed store and the guy working that day wasnt informed that there was an event running due to communication being between the main premodern advocate in our playgroup and the store's owner who's currently overseas. We sorted it out pretty quickly but it was still funny. >Meta2x RG GoblinsCounter RebelsThe RockFull English BreakfastEnchantressReplenishUR StifletideBlue Storm>RoundsSwiss2-0 Goblins2-1 Stifletide2-0 Goblins0-2 ReplenishSE1-2 Goblins (round 1 rematch, overall winner)Bronze match2-1 Blue StormMy favorite play was in round 2 game 3 against Stifletide; I had boarded in 3/4 of my sideboard Hidden Gibbons, and when I mulled to 6 I kept a 1-land 3-Gibbons hand and topdecked a second land on turn 2. T1 Gibbons, T2 2x Gibbons. My opponent felt pressured to find more action and, with a hand full of instants, cast an impulse a few turns in and I just won with the apes within a few turns. Enchantress felt really powerful but also a bit linear and boring. I think I'll try playing a tempo-adjacent deck next time.
Anyone itt had any experience making your own proxies? Was it cost effective or should i just order some from a store online?
>playing premoderncringe>buying proxiescringe
>>96436998Play pauper, huge card pool, cheap singles, don't need to buy product.
>try arena again>immediately reminded why I stopped playing magic
i'm going to proxy a cube and draft with my friendsplease wish me luck and success
>>96438569Yep, it's just rocket tag now. And it's only going to get worse.
>>96438569imagine losing to fucking landfall lmao
>>96438268Is there a leak for The Epic Storm's patreon page? I checked on Kemono and Coomer already, nothing there.
>>96438569I'll never understand the appeal of Arena. It only seems fun for more than a few hours/days on-and-off if you're autistic enough to want to get to the top of the ladder. For me, all the fun in Magic comes from interacting with other people, which is why I went back to doing FNM recently. Arena just seems like the Magic-equivalent of the Singularity manifest, as have a lot of online multiplayer games in the 2020s.
>>96429158The monsters were cool, as was the House. The survivors were fucked though - their clothes sucked from a visual design standpoint, their technology looked goofy, and their lore was shit. Duskmourn would've been more interesting if the people dumped into it actually retained their memories instead of believing they're natives.
>>96438268I keep buying pauper stuff but my new job has me waking up at 5am while my locals end at midnight so I can never go
>>96438569Speaking as one of the only Vorthos players in existence, it's basically impossible to run a constructed deck that's both viable and thematic. The only way you're going to come close is with draft or sealed, and even that still means you're going to be mixing factions and shit unless you want to spend your time getting bodied. Just about every combo or interaction worth using is from thematically disparate sets, which tweaks the shit out of my autism.It's an abstract form of suffering.
>>96438569Friendly reminder this is not even the worse deck in the format and you could say is not evn in the top 5 best decks. This is the actual state of this shit of a format.
>>96438863I spend a saturday looking through a chaff box and find some cards for 10 cent each that I can make decks out of and play with, or that I just want a playset of since they are good cards.
>>96436188Reid is an OG.
>>96438753No friends
“It looks like Vivi Cauldron is the breakout deck of the tournament”
>>96438753I can enjoy playing magic as a social game, but at my core I am a Spike/Johnny. What appeals to me about magic is treating as a complex puzzle to be solved, and figuring out the most competitive strategies/ways to improve my own play. That may not be why you play magic, but it’s what draws a lot of people to the game.
>>96438569Everything is solitaire and no decision matters.Current MTG is unironically one of the worst games ever designed.
>>96438569ive given up on arena and gone back to building janky decks for kitchen table with workmates.
>>96438569This deck isn’t even that good, it’s a creature deck that folds to removal and any wrath of god. It’s the opposite of a deck you can’t really interact with properly. It can basically never best UW control. It’s doing what amounts to a removal check, and if you don’t run removal that’s on you
>>96439126>Every deck is removal tribal or removal checkWow, sounds like a great format.
>>96439130That’s not the format at all though. This is a one deck format based on Vivi Cauldron. It is awful, but it’s awful because there is a Tier 0 combo deck that nothing can beat. People just like playing simple creature decks especially in best of one. Mono Green Landfall isn’t even close to being a problem
>>96439144>Mono Green Landfall isn’t even close to being a problem>Ban Vivi>The format becomes one-deck Dimir midrange slop>Ban Kaito>The format becomes one-deck Azorius Control slop>Ban Stock Up>The format becomes one-deck green landfall slopTruly, Wizards is staffed by great designers.
>>96439162solution:don't play "standard"
>>96439162Dimir midrange would never be as problematic as Vivi cauldron and the problem card in it is actually Enduring Curiosity. EC is kind of busted card draw and is mainly kept in check by cauldron
>>96439169>Coastal Piracy with legs that drops a Coastal Piracy when it doesWHAT COULD GO WRONG
>>96439174To be fair they have printed a lot of exile removal effects so maybe it’s not that much a problem but yeah it’s very very good One good EC combat step can easily net you 3 or more cards while advancing your board
How would you fix Standard? At this point and considering upcoming sets with more broken bullshit will come... How the fuck could we save the format that JOTC are doing EVERYTHING on their power to push neglecting others?
>>96439188Ban Vivi and Cauldron and it would be okay. After that the key is to print removal good enough to match the busted threats they keep printing. You can’t have Pioneer and Modern level threats with doom blade level removal.
>>96429567nooo you don't understand !! you have to partake in this pants on head retarded market and spend thousands of dollars on cardboard !!!
>>96439196>Good removalThat's a TALL ASK, frendo LMAO
>>96439196>print removal goodTALLASK
>>96439188Have you noticed how in a lot of RPGs the system starts to break down past certain power levels? Things that were previously viable becoming irrelevant in favor of the few stats that actually matter?That's what's starting to happen with mtg. The power level is approaching a point where the game starts to break down and lose cohesion, and they're either going to rein themselves in (lmao) or the game's going to gradually stop being a game and become a series of checks to decide who wins.
due to vivi and cauldron level designs all counterspells and removals moving onward will exile
Seriously no bans until November? Will we rot until fucking November with this shit of a meta?
>>96439356you had seven bans transtard boi. let pioneer, modern and legacy get the attention they deserve and enjoy your containment trash format.
>>96439356Spider-Man is bound to rotate.
>>96439375I don't see specially strong cards on that failure of a set anon lol
>>96439377Commander cards get revealed first.
>>96438268>pauper>the format dominated by delver and affinity slopNo thanks.
>>96439174Don't forget flash, that helps push it over the top since you don't have to commit to it until you have unblocked attackers or alternatively let's you hold up counter mana.
>>96436295She's, in her own words, from a third world country.
>>96439356>Will we rot until fucking November with this shit of a meta?
>>96439356if you're willingly playing standard at this point, you deserve everything that happens to you
>>96439520It's going to rot until 2030. Keep in mind that we have 3 more years of UB slop coming up with at least 5 more marvel slopverse sets.
Imagine playing a format that soon will have Instant Ramen, Guy in a Chair and Cabagge Merchant without any old cards to make up for this shit, pathetic if you ask me...
>i want a good gameThat's a tall ask.
>>96439620i find city pigeon more ridiculous than any of those cards honestly.
The worst thing is knowing that Wizards fully understands how bad Standard is. They have shown through limited design that they "get" gameplay. They just don't care because of coomander dollars
>>96439731>They just don't care because of coomander dollars
I assume 12% have bought into Vivi Cauldron
Flourishing part 2 right down to RDW vs Vivi
>>96439772At least 9% of the vote is Nosewater bots
How can a multinational and billionaire company fuck a format, a format they are pushing to incredible limits, including ban 7 cards in a row this hard? Are designer and balance teams such retards?
>>96439196This seems right to me. There's nothing inherently bad about a more powerful format than old Standard, but it needs to be balanced
>>96439856>balance teamNo such thing>designersgot power creep to make sure you keep buying the nu slop
>>96439620What's wrong with cabbage merchant?
>>96439856People think things are bad now, wait until they have to jack up power levels for when UBslop sets aren't producing the highest profits in the games history, Craw Wurm Vivi they called her
>>96439620You know Cabbage Merchant won't be standard legal, right?
>>96439950Do you think such memorable and beloved character won't get a card in the main set?
I want to see his card
>>96440017You will see this card.
>>96440017what a jobber
>>96440034This is depressing…
>>96440034>Hopefags praising Standard as Vivi Cauldron is 'only' 30% of the meta>Day 2 arrives
>>96440034Just ban Vivi and Nemesis and we'll be 1% of the way to getting a balanced format.
He better have a card
>>96440100He will have a card, I promise you this. I cannot promise you this. I don't know who this is.
>>96440136https://youtu.be/MxwV9iavAm0?feature=shared
>>96440034>>96440056>BW Sac didn't survive>RG Delirium didn't survive>Even RGW Yuna didn't survive>Jeskai Revelation deck with Inevitable Defeat survivedThese stragglers are actually kinda cool to see. Now imagine if Vivi and Cauldron weren't here.>Temur Battlecrier ComboIt's really funny to me how Ferocious didn't get a meta deck centered around the mechanic until we both returned to Tarkir and have since gotten rid of the keyword.
>>96440017Sorry no Korra cards
>>96440732not from korra
Abrade variant.
>>96440049u w0t m8he won 2/3 of his encounters
what do we do about cauldron? this metagame is horrible
>>96440100>>96440017Street vendor meme card will have a card, those two won't.
>>96437159It's accurate if that guy's wife has a boyfriend
>>96440996not a meme, we went over this already in a previous threadalso, says who? we still have a shitload of cards to see
>>96438237Great report, fren!What's your opinion on this extremely budget build?It's UW Familiars (kinda) from pauper adapted to Premodern.
>>96440879>wins exhibition match>loses the actual fight>"retires" and is never seen again>protegee appears in later season>also gets defeatedjobber
This art sucks so fucking bad.Can't even tell wtf this thing looks like.
>>96434767I hate that this card might be good. It's like a green stock up with an additional upside of making a treasure token.
>>96441417But enough about Valvagoth.
>>96441601Why do you hate it?
>>96441694I don't want a stupid spiderman card to be best in slot in any of my decks.
>>96441771And what will you do femboi? Is too late for crying over UB
>>96441473It's pretty easy? The bigger horns are from the top of its head, the smaller ones are tusks, it has a helmet of some sort and is made of what looks like ever-burning wood, has chains on it, etc.
>>96441771Wait for the Universes Within variant and print it yourself.
this land is shit
>>96441955they really do be running out of ideas for new lands
>>96441955Is it though. It's a shockland with one type of your choice. I've seen worse.
>>96441966they need to put removal on a land already
>>96441988They already did that
>>96441988Eiganjo?
>>96441988like 4 of the channel lands
>>96441998>>96442006sorry, meant unconditional removal
>>96441988wouldnt be surprised if they sunscorched but for any target on a land soon
>>96441887They never make universes within variants. This is how it's going to sound playing my deck. I cast pictures of Spiderman, look at the top 5, then I reveal Samwise Gamgee and Cauldron familiar, then put them into my hand. Stupid.
>>96442048He doesn't know...
>>96441984The only reason shocks are considered as good as they are is because they can be fetched. A shockland with no basic land types would be inferior to filter lands, M10 checklands, and most other dual lands that aren't total shit.
>>96442048Lmao and you are just at the tip of the iceberg fag.
>>96442104it's for standard
>>96442104truepilled.
LADS!I am going to take a piss so massive they are gonna call it pissmodern.
>>96442192Spiderpiss
>>96442192Universes Pissond
>>96441988Your Kaibra Takedown?????
>>96440803Uncounterable removal, however narrow, is always worth pondering.
>>96439856In a few years time, you'll be mad about the new thing and nostalgic for Vivi.And that's a threat.
>>96439620>and Cabagge MerchantTHE. Cabbage Merchant.T H E.He is Legendary, fool. PUT RESPECT ON HIS NAME.
>Match that isn't Vivi vs Vivi>It's red vs red>Two Screaming Nemesis staring at each other for five turnsLETMEOUTAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>96442296>>96442272MaRo stop… Just stop with this design shit you are making…
>>96442338I wonder what the actual cut of responsibility is between him and management. I strongly doubt he has 100% creative control, but I also doubt that WOTC management held a gun to his head and made him crank out the most cancerous shit he could.
Lads, it was a great piss, it was so great I had to take a cold shower after, that is how hard I, a premodern player, pisses, full pants off type leak, overflowing the pisser type vibe.Real fuckin' high test pissing, that is how we, premodern gods, do it.Had to shower because of the hyper masculine pheromones my urine has gets all bitches in heat.
I will never understand the visceral schizo hate some of you have for a card of a guy selling vegetables.
>>96442534it's less soulful than fairy enhanced shell game
>>96442534I'd be fine with UB if it was self-contained instead of stuff that's mingled with Magic's own settings. Imagine Spongebob Phyrexia being a meta.
>>96442141Which also has Shocklands now.
>>96442566"Hello new player who got into Magic because of this crossover, no you cannot play those cards with 'real' Magic cards" is a horrible look from a marketing and general perception standpoint.
Honestly there is something funny about all the UB cards being legal. Just wait until you’re casting Twilight Sparkle in your John Nord, Dragonborn deck
>>96441955This card is insane and will probably see play across multiple formats. It can’t be fetched so not Vintage or Legacy but it can be any color you need and come into play u tapped which is inherently powerful. It also becomes the land tap so it does turn on verges and other cards that key off land types
>>96442621>will probably see play across multiple formatswhy and where would you play it outside of standard?
>>96442632>why and where would you play it outside of standard?every deck that's 3+ colors
>>96442621not fetchable
>>96442636in what format? in what decks? the card seems awful compared to other lands you have available in anything that isn't standard
>>96442645>the card seems awful compared to other lands you have availableYou severely overestimate the quality of lands available in most formats.
>>96442645in commander
>>96442659I'm gonna ask you for the last time: in what decks and in what formats do you expect this card to see play? Just give me like one or two names and I'll show you what their manabase looks like right now
>>96442645You’re just thinking of modern in which colors don’t matter because of fetchlands. It’s very playable in any 3 or more color deck in formats without fetchlands As an aside this is why I’ve always thought fetches were toxic. They trivialize the color pie and costs of playing a bunch of colors. Banning them in pioneer was very based
>>96442666>It’s very playable in any 3 or more color deck in formats without fetchlandsI just want you to tell me the deck you're thinking of and what you're expecting to replace
>>96442677You’re an idiot that wants to try to quibble over any deck named rather than consider it as a land. Just look at the pioneer section on mtgo or something, all 3 color decks will play this
>>96442686I see, you're just trolling, that's on me for trying to discuss magic on this general, it won't happen again.
In fact it will likely make it easier to play 3 color decks in Pioneer. I was working making a Mardu manabase to splash white in a RB weapons deck yesterday and the mana is just rough.
>>96442585Hasn't stopped them from making Commander.
>>96442694No I sincerely think you are a moron that wants to try to argue about things that are not relevant about particular decks because you don’t have any ability to address the points already raised. It’s extremely tedious. If you think land that can make any color and come into play untapped is bad then you are bad at magic, period
>>96442645That turd is unplayable in anything outside of draft and maybe standard (Pushing it).>B-b-but in PIOQUEEEER!!!!1. Nobody with an IQ above room temp plays that dogshit format2. That format has mana confluence and triomes for 3c+ decks, for 2c decks it has shocklands, painlands and an assortment of other duals like fast lands and fliplands. It even has this thing.3. The best deck in pioqueer is monoR burn so good luck on that "bolt myself basic land or etb tapped basic land".That card is so fucking awful I wouldn't play it in fucking pauper.
>>96442710Absolute fucking truke.
It’s nice to be reminded of how bad you all are magic. Modern boomers are probably the most delusional group of magic players out there
>>96442665>I'm gonna ask you for the last time: in what decks and in what formats do you expect this card to see play?And I already answered.
It will be a staple in any format without fetches and won’t be played in any format with fetches (except commander.) pretty simple
>>96442701Or Horizons for that matter. Cards that never were standard legal that exist on a separate power scale from the core sets.
Multiversal passage is an actual unplayable turd, it will not see any play in standard nor pioneer nevermind any other format.Screen shot this shit, you'll be my perma dogeza cuckold.Btw, you are likely the same cretin that thought Lightning from FF was playable in modern (delusional) and thought fire satyr was anything but a turd.
>>96442710>anything outside>837 results
>>96442740Believing it won’t be played in standard makes it impossible to take you seriously. Mana is horrible in standard and everyone is forced to run starting town. Color combinations like UW don’t even have fast lands OR shocklands right now
reminder
It’s actually infuriating that Wizards didn’t put all the shocks into EOE, or at least do the allied lands first given that the enemy color pairs have fast lands. It’s insanely braindead and just makes a lot of decks unplayable
New thread>>96442812>>96442812>>96442812
>>96442710Bro you don't get it, getting bolted to play a basic land is what will save you from mono red cutter!>>96442746>None>Commander theme setsI like how you made his point even more.
>>96428982I finally realized why we kept getting reddit screenshots the real previous thread wasn't put up.>>96423188
>>96441004His wife is his boyfriend.
>>96437198After the tax fiasco by USA when every Chinese manufarcturer came out and showed their whole schemes for luxury brands, do you really think that it isnt the case for like 80% of the goods around?
>>96438753Playing from the potty at work
Is green able to be used as an engine for managing multi colored decks?
>>96429130>Hamburgers?
