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>>96452225>TQUnlike Caretaker's Talent it doesn't feel as oppressive.
>>96452250Probably because it's vulnerable to exile removal.
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>>96452271Doesn't have an inbuilt draw button with the first class up nor an anthem wincon, either.
>>96452396There's no way this is a real card.There's no fucking way.
>>96452405Why?
>>96452405That specific frame, no. But it is an actual card, with their own art
Arena is getting a sliver pet despite there being no slivers in the set. Either it will only show up on a card's art or they are making slivers and symbiotes equivalent creature types to synergize with the Hivepool.
>>96452477if they actually fucking make Spiderman into the Sliver Homeworld set I will laugh
>>96452477They won't make Symbiotes and Slivers equivalent because that's not how they do things with new types. It'd mean Symbiotes were just a functionally different thing in paper versus Arena if they did, they'd invent a new type if they had to (though I'm unsure if Symbiote needs to be given a new in-universe type, it still is a word and not strictly copyrighted, but then again so was Infinity).
Goblin's ShadowEnchantmentUncertain Phantasm - At the beginning of your first main phase, discard a card. If you do, draw a card.Undying Vengeance - Whenever you play a land or cast a spell from outside your hand, this enchantment deals 1 damage to each opponent.
>>96452514Equivalent creature types means the types would be the same type according to the rules. The Transformers cards had convert be equivalent to transform despite being differently named they still interacted with transform effects due to the rules saying they are identical.
>>96452477Let's reuse these forgotten types for the Predator and Avatar Movie tie-ins.
>>96452576Yes, but they wouldn't make a new type for a set and then go back and say "these are Slivers actually". More likely it's just a pet that has nothing to do with the set because the Arena version of the set was created in a few months so they're just re-using an old model and palette swapping it.The current stance on equivalent types for UB stuff is they'd make a new one that is interchangeable, as they've done with Infinity/Terminus for example. So an equivalent to Symbiote (if one is needed) would be a new one (Parasite maybe).
>>96452593>they wouldn't make a new type for a set and then go back and say "these are Slivers actually"They've literally done exact that, for multiple types. Recent big one was phyrexians.
>>96452603you are either stupid and misunderstanding anon's point or are stupid for being disingenuous.
>>96452603That's different, though. That's adding creature types, which is still something they're hesitant to do. Your thing would be changing Symbiotes and Slivers to be equivalent, which they have NEVER done. At most they've flattened types out (a lot of weird old one-offs got homogenised under broader types for example) but that's an older thing, not the current approach.
>>96452603Phyrexians were made a type and then they went back and said all those obviously Phyrexian creatures also had that type, that was all.
My beloved wife.
>wotc/hasbro licenses android to FFG>the game does well>too well>pulls license for seemingly no reason but spiteAndroid UB to rub it in, when?
>>96452633What a shitty card.
>>96452603Not exactly they just added the phyrexian type.Originally a minion.Then they added cleric and human.And finally phyrexian.If it was made today it would just be a phyrexian cleric.
Creature types were a mistake.
I've noticed that Scryfall only has English cards for both Final Fantasy and Edge of Eternities. Are they taking incredibly long to add them, or has Hasbro completely abandoned other languages?
>>96452705They exist, it's just people haven't really provided images and there's some backend stuff with Scryfall because of the update to Gatherer or something?
>>96452705They are taking their time. The take the images from users own cards so non-english cards must be unpopular.
>>96452726Dragonstorm had cards in all languages shortly after release, so they must be having some issues recently.It's a shame because I'm curious to see if the FF cards retain consistency with the games' established localisations into other languages.
>>96452748I think it's basically the Gatherer update fucked up their backend. Apparently Through the Omenpaths is also gonna be an issue because it's not like Universes Within where they retroactively have the UW card as the 'real' one and the others just being skins, because 'both are real'.
>>96452748You'll have to resort to the Gatherer for now.https://gatherer.wizards.com/FIN/fr-fr/321/vivi-ornitier
>>96452766>mfw running 8 copies of Infinity Gauntlet
>>96452785anon just because you press your cards onto the computer screen, doesn't mean they're being absorbed into Arena
>>96452785Well, currently, neither version will ever co-exist in the same space, proxying aside. If they do reprint the Omenpaths versions later on (which they may well do for some), I can see them retroactively pulling the same sort of deal as they did with UW for Secret Lair stuff and just declaring them equivalent (which they are, etc.), the UB version is functionally a 'skin' on the 'real' UW version.
El Señor y El Amo del InfiernoA thing about the Spanish translation of MTG is they usually translate lord as Señor, or Jefe.Overlord is usually translated as Jefe Supremo with the Duskmourn overlords instead being Amo due to how long their names are.
>>96452768Oh, I didn't know Gatherer had cards in other languages. Thanks.
>>96452840I've noticed that Spanish tends to have the best translations on average. They are clearly written by someone with a decent degree of literary experience, so sentences take full advantage of Spanish syntax and expressions instead of awkwardly translating everything word for word. It's also pretty good at localising puns.Other languages are translated too literally and often miss puns altogether.
>>96452902Case in point for a good Spanish translation of a pun, best they can. It doesn't really work because the original pun is rather English-specific, but still.
>>96452918They sometimes don't realize how literal something is. The French translation for Over The Top is Literally Exaggeration. It's mostly Wotc faults since they only give text without context and hire constantly revolving contractors.
>>96452225>TQI like turning her sideways and drawing cards. Especially when I make her unblockable or give her trample.
>>96452951The Spanish translation references trenches so they must have some context.
>>96452902Portuguese was pretty bad if I recall, very literal translations when they weren't just straight up wrongt. hue
Over a decade later and my friends still rage like toddlers when I pull out my Narset deck
They S T I L L have not errata'd this card so it functions."All of the above" does nothing WotC. X is 4 or greater. That means X is not 1, and X is not 2, and X is not 3. That means when you do all of the above, it does fucking nothing Wotc.FIX. THE FUCKING CARD. WOTC.
>>96452986It means "do every above output".
>>96452993No, it means "Do all of the above."The above are checking if X is 1, which it is not.Then checking if X is 2, which it is not.Then checking if X is 3. WHICH IT IS NOT.
>>96452994I don't care.
>>96452996Yes that's because you are low IQ and unable to parse sentences.
>>96452999I don't care that you're upset about the most obviously intuitive rules text. "If A, do B. If C, do D. If E, do F. If G+, do BDF".
>>96452986>608.2c The controller of the spell or ability follows its instructions in the order written. However, replacement effects may modify these actions. In some cases, later text on the card may modify the meaning of earlier text (for example, “Destroy target creature. It can’t be regenerated” or “Counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, put it on top of its owner’s library instead of into its owner’s graveyard.”) Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases—read the whole text and apply the rules of English to the text.
>>96453008>Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases—read the whole text and apply the rules of English to the text.Yes.I read the text.>If X equals 1....It does not.>If X equals 2....It does not.>If X equals 3...It does not.
>>96453015i'm sorry anon but you have terminal dumb
>>96453018Please explain how "Do all of the above" somehow instructs you to exclude the if statements.Go ahead. I'll wait.
>>96453015None of those apply in the event that X is 4. You just get all of the outputs. It's really that simple.
>>96453021If 1, do A.If 2, do B.If 3, do C.If 4, do all of the above.Does that mean "check the ifs again" or "ABC". Any reasonable interpretation indicates the latter.
>>96453027>None of those apply in the event that X is 4. You just get all of the outputs.Point to the location on the card where the instruction to ignore the if statements from the above effects is given.
>>96453032>If 1, do A.>If 2, do B.>If 3, do C.>If 4, do all of the above.Great.Go back to the first line. The first line instructs you to check if the value is 1.The value is 4. 4 does not equal 1. Therefor, you do not do A.Go to the second line. 4 does not equal 2. Therefor, you do not do B.Go to the third line. 4 does not equal 3. Therefor, you do not do C.Therefor, you do nothing.
>>96453033>If X is 4, do all of the above.It's pretty self explanatory, anon.
>>96453050THE ABOVEINCLUDEIF STATEMENTS
>>96453039>Anon flexing his passing grade in ESL
>>96453015>>96453039>Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases
>>96453053Nah, those don't apply if X is 4. I don't get why this is so hard for you to understand.
>>96453054Point to the location on the card where it instructs you to ignore the if statements.Go. Do it. Right now. If you're so confident, this should be trivial to do.Where does the card instruct you to ignore the if statements?
>>96453060>Nah, those don't apply if X is 4.Point. To the clause. On the card. That instructs you to ignore the if statements.
>>96453056>Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases>Go to think.>"Ah, all of the above!">First portion of the above.... "If X equals 1...">It does not equal 1! We do nothing. Onto the next!>"If X equals 2...">It does not equal 2! Onto the next!>"If X equals 3...">It does not equal 3! Great. We do nothing.Point to where the card instructs you to ignore the if statements.
>>96453069I did, but for some reason you keep acting like I didn't. Doing all of the above does not apply to the If statements. This is just common sense.
>>96453077>>96453069>>96453061"Do all the above effects" is the incredibly obvious interpretation by anybody who's not the most obnoxious literal-minded buffoon, shut the fuck up. You have no argument.
>>96453082>I did,You did not.
>>96453084>You did not.I did. See?X is 4, do all of the above.
>>96453083>"Do all the above effects" is the incredibly obvious interpretationIt is an incorrect interpretation. That is the factually, strictly, unequivocally wrong and not correct way to parse the instructions. No accurate assessment of the instructions could result in that interpretation."It's obvious." has no baring on whether or not it is correct.
Cool, he's arguing a point that literally nobody cares about for a card that does not matter.Anybody played any games lately?
>>96453087>X is 4, do all of the above.No part of that sentence instructs you to ignore the above if statements.It instructs you to do all of the above. All of the above is a set of three conditionals effects, contingent on the value of X.
>>96453093Those don't apply if X is 4. You just get all of the outputs.
>>96452986"Do all of the above" in this case is shorthand for the rewards of the IFs 1 through 3. If there was enough space, the fourth option would read:"If X is 4 or more, scry 1, then draw a card. You may choose a player. They return a creature they control to its owner's hand. Create a 4/4 blue and red Elemental creature token."hence, "All of the Above"
>>96453098>Those don't apply if X is 4.Where is it expressed that they do not apply?>You just get all of the outputs.The outputs are conditional on the value of X.
>>96453093The card doesn't tell you to consider the if statements, either. So you don't consider them if told "do all of the above".Checkmate
>>96453105Not if X is 4. If X is 4, you just get all of them.
>>96453108>The card doesn't tell you to consider the if statements, either. So you don't consider them if told "do all of the above".Yes that's because the if statements are present in the text of the card. Which means you do them by default.In order to not perform the default, you must state the exception.
good old autism thunderdome
>>96453110>Not if X is 4. If X is 4, you just get all of them.Wrong. Read the fucking card, you actual retard.The card states:>If X is 4 or more, do all of the above.Simple reading quiz:Do the above effects include if statements?
>>96453113"if" is not an action wordyou can't do "if"you get all effectsCheckmatearoony
>>96453121If in MTG is a signal for a replacement effect.In this card's context, the default state of each effect is "do nothing", which is replaced in the specific event of X being a specific value.If X is not that specific value, no replacement effect occurs and you do nothing.
All they had to do is>If X is 1 or 4...>If X is 2 or 4...>If X is 3 or 4...wala
>>96453120No, they don't, because X is 4. Seriously, it's not that hard.
>>96453137>because X is 4.Anon. Let's ask some simple questions to test your mental capacity:>Is 4 equal to 1?>Is 4 equal to 2?>Is 4 equal to 3?
>>96453132>the default state of each effect is "do nothing",except when x is 4, when you're told to "do everything"checkmate-chan
what is one reason to play standard at this point over literally any other format
>>96453145>except when x is 4, when you're told to "do everything"Everything includes the if statements, Captain Retard.
reading the card explains the card
>>96453149It doesn't, though.
>>96453152>reading the card explains the cardWRONG.
>>96453101They ignored him, because he told them the truth
>>96453153>"The set of everything does not include all things."How stupid do you have to be to make a statement like this?
>>96453159Honestly it was just tl;dr.
>>96453163Did you lose to this card somehow? Is that why you are throwing a hissy fit?
>>96453189You have to be exceedingly stupid is the answer.
>>96453190>Anon lost to some random blue card from Strixhaven and is now making it everyone else's problem.
>>96453199You can not parse simple sentences. Your assertions are irrelevant.
>>96452986Cards sometimes use English words to express the rules. For example, this card tells you to hide items. In the case of Multiple Choice, "do all of the above" is plain English meaning exactly what it tells you to do.
>>96453221>In the case of Multiple Choice, "do all of the above" is plain English meaning exactly what it tells you to do.It is not multiple choice.It is a sequence of if statements.
>>96452986this post is peak autism.
>>96453169>anon comes to the thread to ignore 4 sentence postsNever understand why you dumb fags revel in your slow reading ability
>reading the card explains the card (wrongly)
>>96453269It's impossible to know what this can target by reading the card.
>>96453280Clearly it can only target things that are being targeted by other things.
Fog should've been in Foundations
I forgot how abysmally dogshit the duskmourn trailer was
>>96453287it might be in avatar. they use use waterbending to create concealing fog multiple times
>>96453281Read it again. It doesn't target.As long as something is a target, you may choose it for shock's damage. An important distinction for when your opponent's hexproof creature has become a target by way of that opponent's spells.
>>96453311A fascinating interaction....obligatory reminder that the only reason this wording exists was the absolute fucking fiasco that was Planeswalker damage redirection fixes
>>96452396>>96452405Jesus...
>>96453332anon you know this is a reference to a real spider-man story, right? it's not something the internet made up>Spider-Man attempts to catch a man looking like Peter Parker who steals a valuable manuscript, but the man's bodyguard Brutus knocks him down. The culprit is Charles Cameo who impersonates others while stealing art treasures. A trap is set by J. Jonah Jameson and the police with a Credenza tapestry, with Jameson thinking Spider-Man is responsible for the other thefts. Brutus knocks out the police officer who is delivering the tapestry and takes his place, while Cameo impersonates Spider-Man. Cameo and Brutus are apprehended by the real Spider-Man.
>>96453373And the spongebob counterspell is based on an actual frame from spongebob.Your point?
>>96453376that neither are bad
>>96453421Matter of taste.
Posting here also because I didn't see this thread at firstI was reading a paper about MTG in the mid 2000s and can one of you that played back then explain why the edgelord was accepted but the dwarf RP guy wasn't.>In general, regulars regard imagineers in two ways, either as “cools” or “squares” (sometimes referred to as “dorks”). Such subcategorizations demark how regulars respond to overt displays created by the imagineers. Cool imagineers presents themselves in more understated ways, or ways that regulars do not find distracting. Although cool, such imagineers remaintied emotionally to their adopted persona. A square or dorky imagineer, in contrast, creates displays that regulars regard as “over the top” and conspicuous in an amateurish way.>One cool imagineer, “Rogue,” a self-styled “black mage,” wears black nail polish and eyeliner, metal-stubbed leather over garments, and carries or wears a variety of magic amulets to the game. Regulars regard his presence causally and acknowledge his self-stylization; they never used his dress appearance as a source of derision>On the other hand, “Dungan,” a self-identified “warrior dwarf,” exemplifies squareness. He carries a wooden battle axe andoften wears a green tunic to play. When entering the game area he will announce his presence by proclaiming: I am Dungan. I have come to conquer. Who dares challenge me? Patterned responses such as groans also include jibes: Sit down and shut-up, Bashful [a reference to the Disney film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs].Although regulars accept Dungan’s presence they do not acknowledge his authenticity; regulars use Dungan’s imagineering as a source of verbal abuse and “trash talkingBeyond Place On Being a Regular in an Ethereal Culture, Patrick T. Kinkade Michael A. Katovich 2009
>>96453448this isn't even a question of playing magic 16 years ago, it's a question of being over the age of 12 16 years ago. Goth/scene/vamp culture was big back then, wearing all black and cutting yourself was cool. Being a faggot ass roleplaying nerd wasn't cool, even when playing MTG.
>>96453451Interesting,If it was like nu-metal tier I would get it but from everything I have head and read.But in the period from 2003-2007 that the article covers I would think that in the wake of the 9/11 culture shift, the goth would of gotten mocked at the same venues that would do that to a roleplay guy.
>>96453448gonna need way more context
>>96453373lmao this anon is a spidernerd
>>96453619no? just simple research>search "imposter spider-man" on youtube to find the clip of the scene the card is referencing>the video had the episode title>search the episode list on wikipedia for a summary, copy/paste it
>>96453596A Guy who played from 2003-2007 decided to make his time playing into an ethnographic survey where he basically just took notes on his local community and made a detailed breakdown of the kinds of people who would show up to play and came up with cheesy but associated to their personalities nicknames for himself and the notable regulars Note the dude who did the research is referred to as Playa" (totally not the guy writing the paper....)>Although Playa’ participated at four different gathering sites, he made his primary observations over a 36-month span at Kamikaze’s, a video store specializing in anime and Asian videos. Kamikaze’s has three gaming areas set aside for Magic play, deals in Magic cards and paraphernalia, and records all tournament results according to standards set by the DCI, which then processes all results and posts them in its newsletter. By far and with great consistency, Kamikaze’s held the largest tournaments, drawing up to40 players at time.
after seeing all this shit I think he was right. there is nothing they can do to make me stop playing. no broken mechanic, no art, no meme they print will deter me from wanting to like the game. and that, MaNo, is a challenge. maybe one day I'll even feel nostalgic for companion
>>96453637yes you are a little spidernerd
>>96453665Far more self-aware than most players I know. I sometimes hear people saying making Lessons work in Commander would cause them to quit and I'm here wondering how Partner and Companion didn't already do that.
>>96452959>so they must have some context.Like the card art?
>>96452902>>96452918The Spanish localization team actually has a podcast where they explain the thought process and difficulties of translating each set.>https://www.youtube.com/@CoalicionAzofar/videos>https://open.spotify.com/show/44Xecx9tTeB7B702jPf2UD
