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>>96507332fin.
Peak incoming. Tankista who? Entropistanon who?
>>96507352blue
>>96507312Can someone compile the builds for this?
>>96507441>Sage + New and Old>Sage + New and Old>Sage + New and Old>Sage + New and Old
>>96507441In chronological order.1 https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96487358#964940612 https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96487358#964948533 Ultimate Manipulator: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96487358#964949734 https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96487358#964950905 Wild Hunt: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96497495#964993426 Giant of Nature: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96497495#965061027 Techlord: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96497495#96506525
>>96507474Who wins pvp?
>>96507470It turned out, that a dude with a machine gun which can see the invisible was more powerful than a dude with a literal longbow who has above average eyesight (see : Archer). Flummoxing, I know
>>96507352Yellow
>>96507470Having guns, airplanes, missiles, napalm, etc while still having magic is extremely strong, especially so if the enemies have only medieval era tech.The other isekai dark overlord CYOA made that option cost like 4 points for a reason.
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>>96507708It cost two points in IDO too, but it also had a slow ramp-up and required actual inventing, so it was mostly picked by people unable to read.
>>96507733So you can get a LOT of Threads if you just turn some "minor countries" into Tokland.I hate the fact that interactives hide options until you select other stuff so much.
Rolled 1, 1, 3, 1, 2, 1 = 9 (6d3)>>96507312Finally, some more kino. I'm going to make a build for this, but first, I'll leave which Archdemons' minions I have to deal with up to chance. Rolls are left-to-right in sequential order.
>>96507744Slow ramp-up is not too relevant if your kingdom can endure, plus you've got infinite retries unless you manage to somehow screw up very badly. You have to try hard to place yourself in an unsalvageable situation in that CYOA.
>>96507470It's your own planet Earth, full of people that miss modern technology for every possible reason, why wouldn't you want to keep the same things that you and everyone else loves?
>>96507777>You have to try hard to place yourself in an unsalvageable situation in that CYOA.lmao you underestimate the depth of skill issues that anons have, they were bawling about the difficulty when the update was released
>>96507754…Where is that? I have never seen a so called divine history choice wtf.
>>96507804From my testing, you'll need to select any Lewder Sights choice, plus World: Cursus Honorum. Then, it'll show up.
>Bullets do nothing against anything that's not a jobber>Spend 50 years making a nuke only so it gets stolen and used against youTechfags lost
Can you just God Hand x2 for curse resistance or immunity and then Grim Outlook for free Gift equipment for your allies by giving them the God Hand x2 curse resistance?
>>96507845Ok, so then by that logic, Archers and Regular-tier shitters without tech are even more useless, because they're still useless against the non-jobbers, and on top of that, can't even have the decency of clearing out the jobber hordes fast enough you can deal with the rest of their bullshit.
>>96507845Why would I even need a nuke?Just throw radioactive waste through the portal, and they, not knowing what it is, will have their lifespans halved by the funny rock
>>96507936I really don't think that demons are weak to radiation poisoning. These are evil spirit demons that probably don't even have genes.
>>96507954They almost certainly have delicate processes in there somewhere which may be harmed by a sudden and uneven addition of energyMost of them seem to be particularly advanced and all systems, robotic and biological, become weak to radiation when they need a complex store of data (Both dna and mechanical stores fall to this, but smarter computers may encrypt their info in ways that protects against this)
>>96507936They don't even have vitals anon, radiation will be 100000000x more deadly to humans than to them, you're just giving them ammo.
>>96507979>the fantastical magical beings must follow these rules of real life biology and roboticskek, do techfags really?
https://imgchest.com/p/5xy22anpnylhttps://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_information>Chronological Build ListA Hero of Justice https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479399Moonman https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459760Wanderer above the Sea of Fog https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480941Speedster Spider https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412603Demonic Nightmare Maker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493315The Black Messiah (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430522Flagellant Gambler https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96411399The Jötunnsdrottninggen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381145Ithyl Twynis https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381847Y'Sereth, King among Kings https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382717Queen of Mamet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382899Orkhalorkhan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415856Father of the Paracausal Arts https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452392The Wandering Professor (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96428837Vëe the Dream Librarian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393021Demon King of the Dead (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96386307/#96391919Krinak, Syn Ufroka https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399372The Book of the Damned https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96426011Ҁ Ф ʌ https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96467167Faina Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447556Unnotable Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479706Escher https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96395910Foolish Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96398017Vai https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399427Mer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96400248
>>96507991If they don't have internal processes what would a 2cm hole do to them?Why cut them apart if they can just stick back together?If they don't have vitals they can only be killed by magic, in which case, just bless the radiation and move on
>>96508006Aurum Arc the Golden Finger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96400560Red Drakonid (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96429221King of The Exarchate (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96416022Qarg the Conqueror https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404302Son of Man (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404724The Inquisitor https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406963Ultimate Scholar (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407218Student https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407496The Return of the King (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407523Liriel, The Veilbreaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96451577Balrog the Emerald King https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427173One-Woman Band https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412498Ellavan "Ella" Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412568Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415916HeWillWin https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415920Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427458Zyneheart https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96423015Numerological Demon Lord https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447883Manusya, the Unwritten https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96425679Fir Dahort https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96428141Warlord (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430436Liadan - Unbegotten Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96463819He`el https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96431341Rozir, the Vagabond King of Hexen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445292Neophyte Sevastian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445422
>>96508012Avi - Demonic Dragon Sage https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96446382The Silk Matron https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452816The White Prophet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96454351Led https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96458991Aphainoumenos, Last Demon Prince https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459966Ars Goetia https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96461924Thaumaradrak https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96468757/#96471990Valar https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96471461Prince Aureole https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96477816Rap God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479391Common Man https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480067Alfrent (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480079Aera https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96482056Illior of the Doria (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96482585Godslayer Punchardt https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96487671Lady, the Academy Meister https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96485991The Curse Slinger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493657Fu'uq, the Pixie Bomber https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493201Paxtinger, Dragon God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96497495/#96503070
I'm so tired of Outer Reincarnation
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I'm so tired of life
>>96508035Perhaps something you have brought with you is weighing you down?If you expect nothing then you can do nothing
>>96508006There's nothing wrong with using your free True Love if your build and plans are already good, you're just worried about being sassed for having a waifu. You have most likely already bought the non-romantic love of your compatriots unless you were pulling a Sarmat, furthermore, romantic love is not any more special than any other kind of love, it is just a friendship that involves sex. The whole rest of the page makes it obvious that Charlie is just a sophist. Why not make it 100% clear on which NPC is wife, or husband material?
>>96508059>It is just friendship that involves sexLAME!If you think like this you are not capable of love and will need to be corrected hard by 12th
>>96508059>romantic love is not any more special than any other kind of love, it is just a friendship that involves sexthat's the most gay thing I've read in this thread and that's counting softieposting
>>96508092What is softieposting?
>>96508059All kinds of love are the same.
>>96508128Based and true
>>96507754Time to make use of this.
What’s your interpretation of Hand of Infinity and Sunstride?
>>96508034Manusya's Autoantecedence is implied but not spelled out by his description.>What remains of Manusya is no longer a man but a principle: the hand that unravels tropes, the silence that denies epilogues, the corrosion that strips stories of their false promise.
>>96508177Who cares. If it's not spelled explicitely, it's absent for the purpose of the list.
>>96508176One helps you cheat at cards and the other makes you walk fasterYou'll never guess which is which
>>96508176If the author doesn't know, how can we?
>>96508176>Hand of InfinitySomething about copying statuses or objects.>SunstrideGet a boost when basked in sunlight.
>>96507936>>96507954This reminds me of how demons in the Might and Magic series are just aliens from another dimension who want to invade the setting because their own world is a radioactive blasted shithole and they're desperate to get out.
>>96508196Use your imagination. You're not a slave FACTS and LOGIC right anon?
>>96508128I can't believe that dummy Stella thinks she can get all of her sisters to be a happy family again after what this one did.
>>96508128That's the kind of retard that True Love their siblings.
Would you agree Icon of Icons would be more meaningful/soulful if it ONLY had gave the bonus from mass appeal, not from true friends?That way, it would be more niche, wouldn't be an obvious pick for most builds.
>>96508258No I would feel the oppositeFriendship is cool, being a superstar is lame
>>96508241Anon... that's definitely someone whose siblings did not love her, and someone who enjoys aggressively loving them despite their struggles. The opposite of an outsider who applies True Love.
>>96508176>Hand of InfinityPerhaps it lets you continue counting as touching something after letting go? From a design perspective, it can't just be a range extension as that would overlap too much with the four-point Far Graze. A caster version that lets you remotely cast spells could also be interesting.>SunstrideJust saying it might be a bonus in sunlight is boring, so I will claim that it is a reverse of Shadow Footwork and moves you to where you would have next stepped to avoid attacks.>>96508258I disagree, the annoying part of the line "This Gift makes it so you are as many times powerful as many close friends you have" is that the degree of bonus is far too good, not the type.
>>96508261The problem with that is that almost everyone makes friends, that's not niche at all. Every gift should be worth picking within a niche and not universally. The friendship thing could work with some further qualifier, but I'm not sure what that could be.
>>96508006"GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT, KETER" build>patronYMRD>ReincarnationMaleHalfbreed = -2DP/-2APDice Fudge [Keter] = freeAdoption(x2) = -2DPExtra Mentor(x2) = -1DP/-2APExtra Companion(x3) -4DP/-2APUntimeskip(x3)[All mentors except Jdan] = -6DPOuter Tide>ParentsMaiosara Yesod + Vadim Sacro-Ionian = freeKeter -5DP"One" -1DP/-1AP>RaceMuddish/Southlander = +4AP/+2DP, +1 mentor, +1 companion>LanguagesEvermanPalatiner = +6DP for each companion slotDrakonian = +2AP for locationEntramithraic = +ZhiveteQuietened = +21DPTutored(x2)[Eirina, Feodwra] = -2DP>LocationMountains of Autumn = DKMDV, +2DP>GiftsIntelligenceNoble InclinationRoyal ClaimWarmachina MountingHybrid DiseaseBitter Sickness = +4APWereplague(x2) = +4APMisalliance[Maiosara Yesod] = +14APEverlasting = -3DP/-3APEthereal Beauty = -1APThoroughbreding = -1APCognitive Speed = -2APMemory Retention = -2APWisdom = -2APAttentiveness = -2APSpiritual Feel = -2APCaster Intuition = -2APFlowing Gait(x2) = -2APGod Hand(x3) = -3APAutoantecedence = -5APIcon of Icons = -5APAll-Glimpse = -5AP>Mentors (3)Jdan = freeArsak = 2DPEirina of the Orthrung (tutored Everman) = -3DPFeodwra (tutored Everman) = -4P>Companions (6)Brastat, Syn Rarruta = -2DPOko Shtorma = -4DPYMRD = -5DP/-5APOmega = freeempty(x3)>EncountersNever Alone -1DP/-1AP (Jdan)Upward Spiral (Arsak)Let the Purgation Begin (Eirina)To be at War (Feodwra)In My Machine Spirit (Brastat)On Sick Leave (Omega)A Bridge, a toll, a troll +1DP/+2APA Score of Orcs +2DP/+2AP>DeathsMe = BukiMaiosara Yesod (C) = Slovo + Yee -1DPVadim Sacro-Ionian (A) = Her'v' + Zemlya -1DPKeter (A) = Zelo+ZhiveteJdan (C) = Greater YusArsak (C) = TsyEirina (C) = Lesser YusFeodwra (C) = Shta+ZhiveteBrastat, Syn Rarruta (C) = OukOko Shtorma (C) = Iotated Greater YusOmega (W) = Ot -5DP>YouthMagicLeadershipPower TestingOther(making mechs)
>>96508059>He needs True Love to woo his waifuAbsolute jobber, you won't survive Charlie's onslaught
>>96508296>He needs to give his wife a ringWhoah
>>96508258It's the other way around, it is the gift of hope and requires people close to you who seriously believe in you, the faceless masses are just a tiny bonus in comparison. If it were so strong anyone with it would have conquered the world already and Charlie doesn't count since she has no friends now.Regardless, while obviously a very strong option, it was never really so dominant. This idea that any build without it is worthless literally came around just the other day. People were very happy to ignore it before if it didn't fit their builds.
>>96508289>Youth>Other(making mechs)This is about as valid as saying Other (Learning Godscript). Making Warmachina is a lost art, at best you can inherit one or have some chance of producing them with that one Dwarf guy. If you wanna build them, you'll have to do it without Fate's aid.
>>96508258Yeah absolutely not, getting boosted by friendship is way cooler than just being loved by the faceless crowd.
>>96507312I just want to say that this CYOA triggered a very profound spiritual/mental moment for me. Thank you author, very cool!
>>96508316>This is about as valid as saying Other (Learning Godscript)... but that's what most of (theoretical) magic study is
>>96508289>Misalliance Maiosara and Keter AdoptionIf your idea is to go full mech why do you even want so many points.
>>96508331NTA but you can never go wrong with too many points
>>96508338Can't agree, having too many points makes me neurotic.
>>96508326It's not exactly the same thing, but kinda.Also, the "Other" Youth option doesn't even guarantee you'll succeed at the thing you want to do, learning how to make mechs out of nowhere is pretty much gonna fail everytime. You are not Vtorusha.
Keter trick was cool when it was discovered, now it's fucking overused and suffers from Meaning devaluation.
>>96508326Half the new builds are meaningless powergamers, none can play without Keter adoption.
>>96508304Yeah I don't know why someone is suddenly trying to argue it's too good/too obviously picked. It's not something that's in every build, you are almost only seeing it from Zwa or Iwnn builds (which are rare this version) or more rarely from people who want to start with a royal claim in another kingdom choosing to buy it. It's not some kind of meta centralizing option, like how most mage builds go for All-Glimpse.
>>96508352Stop crying about your subpar build.>>96508349So you don't want every advantage you can against Charlotte? Your loss.
>>96508338What does All-Glimpse add to that build other than generic good eyes, or Icon of Icons when there's not that many companions or choices to go for several friends. It just looks like another shopping list with no central theme other than get what's considered the best.
>>96508375No meaning, will die once outside of Fate's protection
>>96508381All-Glimpse is described as being "invaluable" to Magic users. So whatever it does, it's very good for them.
>>96508304I skipped it in the past since I felt it's not an especially strong thematic fit, and I'm certainly not saying other builds are worthless (Daemonhost seems much more OP to me) but "This Gift makes it so you are as many times powerful as many close friends you have" is a great fit for almost all builds who aren't very tight on points. My problem isn't so much that it's too "good", it's that it's too "nicheless".>>96508322It's named Icon of Icons, and it derives from the cult leader Mithra, so it's thematically more "power of being an icon" than "power of friendship". That's why I'd go for that.But same question for you as for >>96508261 , if you want to emphasize the friendship aspect, how do you make it more than a generic pick for anyone who is going to have friends (ie almost all builds)? Lower power as >>96508274 mentions isn't really the solution, it doesn't make it much more niche.
>>96508289>Misalliance[Maiosara Yesod]Has anyone ever taken Maiosara and not Misalliance her or are her inborn gifts just that bad?
>>96508409The Curse Slinger, one of the latest build.
>>96508400I'm gonna direct you to >>96508354You come across like someone who is either trying to manifest problems so you have something to complain about, or else you just feel 'compelled' to put it in your build but don't want ti, so you're trying to argue it should be changed so you don't feel that autistic compulsion anymore.
>>96508409Her inborn gifts are actually really good, for a martial build. Just not a lot of those.
>>96508388Minmaxxing is my Meaning. Sorry you need handholding to win lol.
>>96508436>minmaxxing is meaningOnly if you wanna job like Erginter, then sure, enjoy living for less than 200 years.
>>96508396All-Glimpse makes the whole adventure a very dull experience. Sure you will get an easier time casting spells but you will have to deal with the constant narration in your head while also being unable to sleep. It's great if your build makes real use of it, but as a generic option for a mage you can just go double Starsight
>>96508349I prefer Thaumiel trick now. A high elven fay bilingual start in Dis with some orc encounters is 35 DP 35AP with 5 mentors and 3 companions not including high elven bonus from companions like Eirina, Keter, Omega, Rhucuphre.
>>96508448I personally have a sneaking suspicion that having All-Glimpse makes achieving Ascension more difficult, since it's sabotaging your ability to accrue Meaning.
>>96508289quest, E Nomine>god hand x3allows me to change the effect of my permanent blessing and apply permanent blessings>explanationThe idea here is to bring back warmachina. Then I can defeat 0^0 with the power of friendship and superior firepower.I chose YMRD because I am changing the genre of the story to Mecha and it would be rude not to. The build relies on nudging fate into favorable directions, which YMRD could help with.To that end, I have given Ouk to Brastat. My hope is that he gets so good at making warmachina that he ascends to godhood. I have given Oko Shtorma Iotated Greater Yus so that she can become an even better mech.Jdan gets Greater Yus, so maybe I can reignite his hope for the future. Never Alone hopefully means that Jdan knows how important I will be in the future and has chosen to come help me.Eirina and Feodwra are good to have around, and time magic/numerology would be great to add to mechs. Omega because YMRD has plans for her.I'm doing the Keter trick for points but also to redeem her.One might be able to help me with warmachina. He knew Vtorusha well.Location is mountains of Autumn. I'm going to rebuild the Kingdom of All Humans along the way.I have taken a lot of maladies, but the blessing from God Hand should mitigate the effects. Additionally, the "Let the Purgation Begin" and "On Sick Leave" encounters should help me cure them. My other encounters should land me a starter Greater Warmachina and allow me to start my own territory in war (with Jdan's help).Now, like Vtorusha I want to infuse my warmachina with a letter from the god script. Ouk, to be exact. Izhitsa is also a great candidate. My idea is a mech that can continuously learn, adapt and evolve. All-Glimpse can help me with researching exactly how to do this. This could be Brastat's magnum opus that ascends him. I'd name it Heaven Piercer. Seems fitting.Lastly, I can't think of a name. I was thinking I'd let One name me, but maybe that's a bad idea lol
>>96508448All you said is true to some people, but what's so bad about never needing to sleep ? That's pretty much good to everyone. You wouldn't miss the "good feeling" of sleep if you never actually needed it in the first place.
>>96508459Also, I would hope that the balance/positioning effect of Flowing Gait x2 would work even in a warmachina. Should help a little bit in controlling them.
>>96508472It doesn't because being in a Warmachina shuts off all your Inborn Gifts (except Warmachina Mounting)
>>96508461It gives you anti-synergy with things like Upunth's trance.
>>96508479Lolwhat? No, reread the option.
>>96508457You can just not read the future of everything, the only thing forced into you is constant mind reading, sight and never sleeping. The mind reading may devalue Meaning depending on your interpretation though.
>>96508461It's just a constant narration about everything happening around you with no way to voluntarily shut it down. I personally think it would get very annoying after a while since you will have to find a way t relax while taking that into account.
>>96508316>This is about as valid as saying Other (Learning Godscript)That would be valid lol.Saying you're going to learn God-Script doesn't mean you automatically ascend to Elder God status at age 10.Saying you're going to learn how to make mechs doesn't mean you automatically make Ultra God Slayer Megalodon 9001 at age 10.>>96508331more points = more allies>>96508381I don't think regular warmachina are a threat to 0^0. Maybe with YMRD or Death of the Author, but that's iffy.The plan is to do some serious research into magic and the God-Script, and of course All-Glimpse is crucial in doing that. Maybe starsight would be almost as good in this regard, but eh.
>>96508381>or Icon of Icons when there's not that many companions or choices to go for several friends.I have 4 companions and 4 mentors?Plus Keter, who should stick around?And I want to rebuild the largest human nation?and obviously it goes exceedingly well with the Gurren Lagaan theme
>>96508488Apparently you can still enter a form of meditative trance to mimic sleep as per Tank's comments on the event where you journey through a dream.
>>96508289Why would you make a mech build without Auburn insular. The option to from birth be the only person in centuries who knows how to construct new warmachina of any kind is right there. You don't even have the "tutoring all my mentors is expensive" excuse; you went keter cheese.
>>96508563Fair about Icon of Icons but I still think that Taiya would be a much more fitting mother. If you are Old Throne royalty then she could easily teach you how to operate and fix them.
>>96508457Elder gods are authors, and all-Glimpse is giving you an author's-eye view of the world. The experiences you gain using it should definitely be spiritually enriching, it's just a different sort of enrichment than what, say, Xet is getting. More heady, more YMRD's domain than SRTR's, and leaning more towards JNPL as a workhorse goddess of reincarnation and mass ascension than JNPL as a gentle and kind caretaker ordinary people
>>96508581Being an AOP (Auburn only peasant) would kinda suck. It's a pain to learn other languages. Everman/Palatiner/Drakonid/Entramithraic gives me a good spread to at least be able to get by in most places near where I live. Also, I would lose the Zhivete I get from Entramithraic.Knowing how to construct lesser warmachina is a decent head start, yes, but is it really worth it? I just don't know.>>96508602Taiya doesn't seem that good. Even if we take it that she could teach me about warmachina on account of being a muddish highlord, what could she teach me that Jdan couldn't? And her gifts just aren't good.Auburn Insular would be a better choice.
>>96508602He'd have to be a gross Muddish then though.
>>96508524Just have sex with your waifu while having it narrated to you. Sounds kinda rad.
>>96507312>>96507319what is the best race or hybrid combination to transform into?i was thinking about a hybrid of: Dragons, nonhuman angels and humans(or maybe humanlike angels).
Why do half the people here think All-Glimpse is a trap? Or anything for that matter? Why would JNPL/The System troll you?
Proper Outsiders marry elves, not dirty Empyreans or undead.
>>96508716The system totally trolled Yphont with Aat’s mentor description.
>>96508717>Proper Outsiders marryWhat, so you can get SRTR'd?Or would you rather get JNPL'd?
>>96508669She would be a way to start your knowledge of War Machina earlier, Keter and One would have nothing to teach you on the subject and Jdan doesn't seem like he used his that much before taking the throne. If not her, Vadim, Kuz'ma or better yet Yaropolk would be much more fitting in my opinion.
>>96508724More likely Yphont trolled herself like so many people in this general who proved to be incapable of reading.
>>96508283>The problem with that is that almost everyone makes friends>On 4chanAnon, I think you need to really reconsider your view on this.
>>96507894Correct. But you aren't doing that. You ARE using epic fantastic magic in the fantasy setting instead of being a mudcore peasant skirmisher or tech obsessed gunfag, right?
>>96508724It's not her fault you can't read, anon.
>>96508740Everyone on 4chan would have tons of friends if they were powerful, active and competent. Even more so if people were quirky anime boys and girls.
>>96508669Warmachina have been a lost science since the war of heaven and earth, and that's not because nobody has tried to bring them back. Every old throne revival has been lead by a gifted and fate-backed non-Outsider, and none succeded in recovering the lost tech.Outsiders cheat, which is why it's not impossible for 11 to bring them back, but leaving the single largest cheat that the system can give you on the table is setting yourself up for failure.
>>96508716It's not a trap, it's a very good option, but one that comes with several downsides that might not be worth it for a particular build. I just get the feeling a lot of people are taking it just because rather than it actually being of any use to their strategy. Just imagine if 'I also have limited narration spewing eyes' if something that makes sense to the character.
>>96508669You have basically no plausible way to learn anything deep about Warmachine and the main focus of your build is them. That's a very bad idea.
>>96508716It’s one or two people who keep repeating the same shit to restart the argument.
>>96508783What strategy would you consider its worth taking All-Glimpse? By description, it fits any mage, makes you almost immune to being ambushed, gives you more time to study. I'm not saying it has no consequences, but it does seem to be useful to many many builds.
Why don't Outer Reincarnation fags take their shit to MCYOAG?
>>96508798Anything trying to transform "the matrix" instead of playing it on its own terms would probably be anything between crippled and confused by the All-Glimpse.
>>96507598Me.
>>96508717Was there ever a proper Outsider, then?
>>96507598The demons
>>96508851Tuzik. Stithia was waifu-bait
>>96508716Non-standard sensory organ, they cannot deal with it.
>>96508861Legend has it that he did fix her.
>>96508059I'm using True Love on Charlotte and no one can stop me.
>>96508717You have to breed the undead to get One out of the respawn queue, anon. Do it for him.
>>96508891You need half-undead for that. That's doable, but not a single outsider tried that so far.
oc?
>>96508695Esoteric Angel, Dragon, or Giant. All other races are worthless.
>>96508905Not true, Aat did.He didn't get very far though.
>>96508911Check the OP
>>96508911
>>96508943Yes but what about second oc?
The Vtorusha glaze is crazy. Her main cheat was Maker's Brush x3, which likely has a lot more to do with building warmachina than designing them.It would NOT be that hard to retrace her steps if you have even a passing idea of how Earth tech works.>>96508732One was Vtorusha's mentor. He travelled the world uplifting people with her. He also fought against warmachina in the war of heaven and earth. If anything, he's the person that knows the most out of anyone that you can select in the CYOA. Maybe aside from YMRD.Vadim will teach you how to use warmachina, but he doesn't know how they work. I don't think Yaropolk really knows either. Kuz'ma is retarded and a Charlie simp.>>96508767The single largest cheat is Brastat + Ouk. Auburn insular is complete dogshit in comparison. I don't think the insular bonus is even meant to be all that good. In 1000 years, OR natives hardly invented anything. Even Charlie, who clearly didn't know much about Earth science, radically changed the tech level of the Ecumene.>>96508784All-Glimpse gives you full awareness of everything around you. That includes warmachina.And I'd use my own fucking brain. God damn.
>>96508905The two options that should definitely work are turning Kalliope or ??? half-undead, or using Thaumiel artificial-life-creation to make a test tube undead.But IGY Savgirl, tho
>>96508972Awareness is not the same as knowing all the inner workings of something, let alone how to replicate it, I can give you the chemical composition of a plane, you still won't learn how to make one. You just want to do something but without having to pay the price for it, meme build.
>>96508006Thinking about what was said last thread I think that the way OR handles meta stuff and fate is closer to Homestuck than Umineko.Stuff like Gamzee being effectively unkillable until his role in the time loop is fulfilled reminds me of how Dobrava works.
>>96508972Maker's Brush was probably the only thing that let her make Warmachina from scratch, design and crafting included. You're just headcanoing you being able to do something completely spectacular and hard without getting the correct pieces.
>>96507474>>96507312>1. Sage + New & Old>2. Sage + New & Old>3. Magician + New & Old>4. Titan>5. Hero>6. Sage + New & Old (bonus: a billion drawbacks)>7. Sage + New & Old4/7 are sages. 5/7 have New & Old. Billions Must Die and Open Heart are by far the most popular Burdens. Make whatever conclusions you want from this information.
>>96508972Brastat + Ouk can resolve by just turning him into a living warmachina, something that can happen by accident, after he becomes the best in the world at warmachina repair. It sets yourself up for success, but it's not a guarantee. The only guarantee in the CYOA is Auburn Insular.Also>pointscaling
>>96509013The burdens all suck hard. Not worth the points most of the time.
>>96509003Definitely true, Outer Reincarnation is a better Homestuck CYOA than "Ultimate" God ever was or will be.
>>96509013Anons are uncreative hacks. Did anyone expect anything else?
>>96508128I can fix her. Or she can make me worse
>>96507312Does a build from this beat a build from Isekai Dark Overlord? I want to know which one to resurrect as after I die.
>>96508997>>96509011Take it apart. Look at the parts and use your fucking brain to put it back together.You are headcannoning that it’s impossible to do something that someone has already done and that is explicitly possible to do again.>>96509014>Brastat + Ouk can resolve by just turning him into a living warmachinaThat’s not what Ouk says.>>pointscalingThere’s no pointscaling, retard
>>96508912having a nonhuman body or a body of Giantic size would be unbelievably annoying. but now that i think about it the weaknesses of Esoteric Angels would be alleviated by merging them with other races.>>96509013you will also notice that a many of builds choose to get rid of the same vassals
>>96509065You never built anything in your life if you think its that easy lmao. Go ahead and just make those microchips, anon.
>>96509064light overlord is set up on earth
>>96508128No one liked this slut
Strange that with so much new content for undead, there are no dedicated necromancer builds. Time to follow a noble Drow tradition and show those Ecumene shmucks some proper dark magic!>patronYMRD>ReincarnationFemaleExtra Mentor x7Extra companion x1Dice Fudge(Free)>ParentsDryndeth From Agarttha (Yer', Misalliance) Shael of the Orthrung (R'tsy)>RaceDark Elf, Maevian.>LanguagesFay Thulean EvermanBenewhisperTutored(Everman) x1>LocationCity of Dis>GiftsCaster IntuitionNoble BearingDream Stride x1IntelligenceAttentivenessWisdom Cognitive SpeedMemory RetentionSpiritual FeelWereplagueBitter SicknessPanarmament x2 All-GlimpseKneeling TwilightIcon of IconsEthereal Beauty>Mentors Thaumiel Lyndis (Dice Fudge)EirinaHerleva Seo >Companions Baf (True Love )Mocnaeth Tamura Inga Yesod>EncountersNever Alone - Thaumiel (Myslete)Troll Ogres Score of Orcs Hobgoblin Dissolved Parties - Baf (Iotated Greater Yus - Zhivete)Upward Spiral - Tamura (Greater Yus)No Way, Highwayman - IngaMusket to the Face - Mocnaeth (Cherv')Things That - Lyndis (Slovo)Purgation - Eirina (Ouk)Immortal Coils - Herleva Breaking and Entering - Seo (Shta)Remember the Demon - EirinaCrown into the Gutter (Hladvig) - Herleva>LetterYat>YouthMagical TrainingLeadership TrainingDungeoneeringTreasure Hunting>QuestE Nomine
>>96509122Shael of the Orthrung is the best mother for an Outsider who just wants to bury Ecumene under an avalanche of horrible warcrimes, no matter the cost. I would gladly make her proud!Thaumiel gives me nightmare monsters and my own doom fortress, Herleva and Seo can share everything there is to know about both branches of necromancy with Inga there to dig even deeper. Eirina is needed so my undead armies actually fight the Ecumene, instead of collapsing on the ground, and Lyndis is a mandatory hypercompetent advisor keeping everything afloat, while I delve deeper into the dark magic.A special place in our forces is for Tamura and her scythe, which I am going to copy with Panarmament and continue to constantly upgrade with custom undead of my own creation. Two uber scythes for the price of one. The rest of companions are needed to create a power base, eventually take over Qlippoth and Lichyard, while also decapitating Pandaemonium so they stop backstabbing us at least for 5 minutes. Then I am planning to rule it as an adored queen of the undead with my Icon of Icons, while exchanging ideas on killing gods with Tamura and enacting some of the Ynga's old plans.The letters are assigned by the principle "As long as it leaves a body to raise", even if I am not planning on actually making my comrades into undead. No, we will all just use Herleva's method to turn into half undead. Still immortal, still considered our previous race and without any deathslot to worry about. If we actually manage to murder Charlie, I guess we can also become half-empyrean, just to be sure
>>96509064Light Overlord starts off vastly stronger, but doesn't have limitless potential. If given many thousands upon thousands of years, a Dark Overlord will outpace them. Light Overlord also has somewhat less minion variety.
>>96508972>OR natives didn't invent anythingThis meme needs to fucking die. They went from bronze age to early modern in 1000 years. That's 800 years faster than the fastest earth civilization.
>>96508000If they didn't it'd be literally impossible to hurt them. Are you suggesting that it's impossible to win against the demons at all?
>>96509065>Sublimate to a higher level of existence upon reaching the height of their craft.Being a living warmachina can be considered a higher level of existence than just a dwarf. The height of Brastat's craft, in the current era, is just being able to fix things that no one else can fix.
>>96508176>Hand of InfinityInventory. Charlotte bought RPG mechanic to have infinity storage space.>SunstrideRunning faster and having more stamina and regeneration while being under the sun.
>>96509065>"I don't think the 1-point option that gives you centuries-lost knowledge at spawn is meant to be all that good">Not pointscalingAre you retarded, or just lying?
>>96509086Monocrystalline silicon, cut into slices, bake on your photoresist, expose through your shadow mask, etch/dope/coat, repeat.
>>96508747Here's a thought, why not put magic Onto technology? If a magic arrow is good enough to kill demons, a magic Bullet will be even better.A hundred years is an amazingly long time technology-wise. We went from inventing flight to landing on the moon in a couple decades. Talking AI was still considered science fiction in 2005.
>>96509185Now tell me how did you figured that out simply by knowing what microchips are made of. Also go read the human genome and build the perfect one, you can do it champ.
>>96509156It’s not. Even if there were a chance of that happening, YMRD could prevent it.>>96509180>points out of nowhereMeds.
>>96509205>how did you figured that outLol
>>96509210>The gods will just do it for meNot how it works. Explicitly, both in the text and in multiple WoGs.
>>96509188A magic arrow and a magic bullet could very well be the same, if the bullet is faster, the arrow can just use magic to go faster too.And if anons wanted that, they'd go Magician instead of Sage. Plenty of humans already know tech, but none know magic.
>>96509122>>96509129>Yphont but Dual Nightmare Monarchy
>>96509210You know it could happen outside of YMRD line of sight, right? She's not gonna be looking at him 24/7
>>96509219>>96509229You headcannoned Ouk into meaning "turning into a living warmachina" when it says nothing of the sort, then you headcannoned YMRD into not helping, for some reason.What the fuck are you smoking?
>>96509205He'll google it. Just like he'll did for this thread. He's just built diff like that.
>>96509245>Just like he'll did for this threadembarassing
>>96509239>the death rune cannot do what I don't allow it to do>also, I cannot read postsAh, I get it, you're just retarded. As excpected of a shit build.
>>96509245>Google Translate: Godscript -> EnglishHe really is gonna no diff Charlie
>>96509261>THE DEATH LETTER DOES SOMETHING THAT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT DOES>source? My stinky assholeLol.
>>96509239
Some of you are being trolled today.
>>96509220>A magic arrow and a magic bullet could very well be the sameNo, they wouldn't. The only way this could possibly be the case is if a techbro build Didn't take "New + Old". In that case, they're a retard that deserves to be laughed at.>And if anons wanted that, they'd go Magician instead of Sage.Anon, every class can use magic. Magician is just the best at spells. Being the best at spells doesn't make you the best at magitech though.
>>96509224Maybe not as cute and pacifistic, but I am also going to solve the Uruc problem. It is generally frowned upon to make undead out of people, but Uruk aren't people, so it is free game. And one encounter conveniently provides us a door to Uruk infested Mamet.
>>96507312Solo Build AttemptIdeal: TitanBlessings: Celestial, Indomitable, Saviour, GatesBurdens: Frontline Command, Shield of SacrificeRaces: Esoteric Angel, Hybrid *2 (Esoteric Angel, Dragon, Giant) - Divine Beasts - Massive unnatural creatures used as the superweapons of ancient gods to punish societal sins or battle other deities. - The downsides of both dragons and giants can be countered by making humility angels but that's irrelevant here.Types: Collossi, Thaumaturge, Heirophant, Oracle, Resurrector, Valkyrie, Slayer, Grandmaster, Artisan, TeleporterDead: Pharas, Duke Ulman, Attempt 7 (Arkun the Red), Grend, Marin, The Screeching WyvernI just picked a good race for myself and made every option I could make so expensive as to be unreasonable to field large numbers of, I'll probably have around 10 collosi divine beasts to protect key areas and 50 Heirophant and Oracle class to serve as support, the remaining vril will be equally split between each class. The plan is too fly around at mach speeds and spawn camp whatever portals the demons come through with a teleport beacon near each site and scring to check if anything is emerging from each portal, I then show up with my crazy speed from celestial laser them to death and move on while the collosi do cleanup and the heirophants make sure areas stay cleaned up and act as extra warning. I'll relying on vril from kills pretty much exclusively but I don't think esoteric angels need to sleep so I can be a perpetual laser death machine spawn camping pretty much every demon.
>>96509273Nigger learn to read, turning into a living warmachina is very much a valid higher form of existence compared to a dwarf. But you obviously just want to headcanon your shitty story with absolute no chance of failure and no meaning, words are lost on false like you.
>>96508352>>96508388>>96508436The biggest possible disadvantage you would get if you actually followed through minmaxxing/taking exploits/believing in tricks is becoming exactly as Charlotte describes you (and herself), an Outsider who doesn't deserve any of this. You're subscribing to Causality over Providence, and it is completely subjective if that loss is fine or not, but if you're doing E Nomine, you shouldn't be doing so? All of those points has to come from somewhere, it can't just be numbers.
>>96507733>World Event:Riders of the Apocalypse>Body:Monster Heritage: £»©—£¶—>Power Archetypes:Warrior, Blue Mage, Champion, Artificer: All>Perks:One Chance>Ultimate Combos:Rho Aias, E.G.O, Philosopher's Stone>Provisions:CornucopiaCreatio ex nihilo.>Revisions:Brighter Lights: Most Good ThingsImpending Doom: Incoming x10, Delayed EscalationCursus Honorum is Tokland, perfect for extermination during the Second Horseman.>Expeditions:Bounties: NemesisOpposite moral values to me means the Nemesis is an insane genocidal psychopath, so good riddance.>Arrival:Landing: HeavenholdAspirations: Do Some Science, Reach The OriginThe above is build highlights, not at all comprehensive.Blue Mage, Artificer, Cornucopia, and Philosopher’s Stone are crazy together. Create and become anything you know. Absorb anything and then recreate it at will. Evolution and technological progress side by side. Post scarcity utopia. These 4 are *the* ultimate combo. Sprinkle in some extras like Champion, improving the world, and Heavenhold, and victory is practically guaranteed.>Plan:1. Replace my body.2. Take control of and learn about Heavenhold.3. Travel across the world to complete Expeditions and gather materials and knowledge.First Horseman: Stealth or bulldoze my way through depending on the assessed risk.Second Horseman: Support the Yu Dynasty, the strongest country.Third Horseman: Famine is preemptively dealt with by me spreading super advanced food production techniques and technology. I can easily create cures on the spot for Pestilence.Fourth Horseman: With my immense power, the Yu Dynasty, and the secrets from Heavenhold, solving the mystery is easy.
>>96509300>Being the best at spells doesn't make you the best at magitech though.Do you think inbuing this with magic is not a spell?
>>96509324>Build Code:opening,opening2,everything,d9mb,wwyu,m5gj,rome,china,goodchurch,bwqb,d8ul,rl43,acwx,feib,aygd,7g69,8v2y,es5g,igpg,i0lm,05az,r4t4y6u7kidfgn,pokiujhj,5nfy,lkh1,e5ow,22g1,4lq3,krwe,acm9,pfzi,t4jg,loner,goodworld,extralewd,extralewd_lewd_adjuster,male,macho,futanari,lgxs,amm5,h7j5,o0a4,cd8n,40h9,7h86,gov4,lmon,p2kv,r0o2,2kuu,syuw,08n4,h8k3,4g7b,bc32,xmae,de63,v02s,6uut/ON#2,ev1u/ON#2,knight,end3,pb38,o7iv,0gcn,q0o0,artificer,hrxy,kym7,c8bi,ry5q,japr,ob4b,bluemage,3x0e,5ok7,w99m,x0na,rwsx,kuz1,9iy1,i04r,j7rg,5rqh,docv,54jb,02l0,pgpc,bhhg,9oks,qopi,lewdlandings,2q2b,xz03,isvi,kj3r,u3y3,99qx,y2xm/ON#10,8p3v,3xmh/ON#10,aspirationtab,7h3h,74ad,op8t,dx1i,55r1,getraped,7lqp,monster,s8xq,warrior,str1,str2,dex1,dex2,end1,end2,jram,f7au,0ykd,ule7,u99c,cbri,4o9r,rclc,i2p6,iyuj,5ys9,37v9,iawz,spja,e5wd,lewdmonsters,1k4c,misandry,qyd9,zvhe,465j,7yxu,tzin,egypt,aghj532,aztec,sov3,rgj3,imwm,n4d5,yi1d,nwkd,132v/ON#1
>>96509324>Blue Mage againIt really is busted beyond anything else, isn't it?
>>96509334
>>96509344Not really "again" since it's a build update, but yes, it is busted alongside Artificer.
>>96509275physicsfag strikes again
>>96508006Reading the meta-letter discussion from last thread: the "It does nothing" answer doesn't actually make sense to me.[JNPL] doesn't fit any of the meta-letter descriptors. Zhivete literally can't be true because [JNPL] is genuinely dead right now and the event that killed her still happened. Yee and Zhemlya can't be true at the same time in the same timeline, one is becoming an undead and the other is reincarnating as a different person.This feels like a "I don't want to deal with this bullshit" answer rather than one that actually makes sense with the rules provided.
>>96507733Wait a second, this is just Porn.
>>96509319Minmaxxing as YMRD E Nomine is fine; YMRD is the goddess of rules autism. Erginter lost her patronage because erginter didn't do any rules autism after arriving in the world, she just spammed her one true build trick to win at everything until she met someone she couldn't beat.Minmaxxing can also work with SRTR as long as your end result works as a cool hero or villain. Erginter spamming her gift-eating trick would've been fine by SRTR, because she played a good villain.
>>96509353Nah, that Blue Mage + Puppeteer Ultimate Art is better. A super loyal assimilating army is also much cooler.
>>96509366Zhivete doesn't work *because* she's already dead. Zhivete is for dodging death at the last possible second, like when a character is implied to die off-screen but they come back later in the movie. The metaphorical camera has shown her corpse and shown Charlie writing with her blood, the time-frame where it could apply is long past.Yee doesn't apply because it's already happened. She reincarnated as the Outsider System. She could reincarnate again, but that would be Yee applied to Outsider-System JNPL, not Corpse-JNPL, and Outsider-System JNPL is not a selectable character.Zemlya doesn't work because she'd simply refuse. Her soul has passed on, it could only come back in undeath if she came willingly, and she's the elder goddess who is least okay with undeath as a concept.Also Yee + Zemlya can be applied in the same timeline, it literally happened to One. He has to reincarnate as an undead to meet the conditions of both, which is difficult to trigger, hence him being available as a father candidate -- fate is taking every opportunity it can to trigger his letters at this point.
>>96509324>Cursus Honorum is Tokland, perfect for extermination during the Second Horseman.Why ? You would fit right in.
>>96507733>>96509393Another busted combo is Dancer+Dreameater, Dreameater's weakness is you need to write down the spell and the writing need to be look at to be cast, Dancer deal with the casting and it doesn't even cost mana.
>>96509366It doesn't does nothing, but would still effectively amount to nothing is probably the correct answer? I don't think Zemlya, Yee, or even Zhivete provide any answers to Psi. You can't revive [JNPL] without providing valid arguments about how she died at the hands of 0^0 but yet is still alive. Zemlya says "She's still too attached to this world." and Psi says "She's a fucking witch.". Yee says "Ah, but she's actually just reincarnated again." and Psi says "That's not JNPL" or whatever. Zhivete says "But she's actually still alive after getting killed." and Psi says "Yeah, I guess she was still alive a second after she got decapitated." or what have you. You need to actually find a Letter that could say that [JNPL] is still alive, or another trick, to revive her.
>>96509384You just don’t get it. If you aren’t an Unnotable One peasant farming wheat in the middle of nowhere, your story has no Meaning. You will surely job to 0^0 (pbuh) if you take all the most powerful gifts, mentors, and companions. Only by refusing the unearned power of the outsider system can you truly beat the Goddess of Causality.
>>96509509>You can't revive [JNPL] without providing valid arguments about how she died at the hands of 0^0 but yet is still alive.*Looks at empyreans reviving just fine after death*
Reminder that there is a priest of JNPL who is explicitly capable of resurrection, and only two people have taken him.
>>96509449>Zhivete doesn't work *because* she's already deadTime shenanigans have already been established as a fact of the setting. There are already 2 timelines.Literally nothing gives a good argument to why it'd be impossible to pull something like that off with the OR system, which has several options that Already rewrite the timeline as is.
>>96509044>Anons are uncreative hacks. Did anyone expect anything else?I don't think it's really a matter of being uncreative, just a general recognition that technology represents a massive force multiplier. (Moreso in this than in Dark Overlord, since here we're simply 'reactivating' a technological society rather than building it from scratch, so it should be significantly faster.)I made the last tech build on the list, missed the previous thread so didn't really see the others except the billion drawbacks one. Planning on another build that's more aligned with my actual, not-quite-so-tech-loving sensibilities, but I have to think about it. The burdens really are scary.
>>96509531Anons can be complete dumbasses.In other news, the floor is made of floor. More at 11.
>>96509531Why would we, when Herleva can remove the letter and grant immortality simultaneously?
>>96509531Just don’t die.
I think minmaxxing have Meaning if you are actually using the benefits you get from it to make a good, worthwhile story and apply those extra points towards a cohesive goal to connect fates and set up a stage for good narrative to happen.Shop list picks without any real connection between them and lack of unified, sensible direction is the soulless approach which devalue Meaning while using those extra points to add options which works off each other to make a better narrative for (you) and others involved is smart application of those things which Elder Gods would enjoy if you do so in their field of interests.
>>96509528I mean, if you have Khier, sure. Their argument is "I'm not actually a part of this world." The cleanest route that the story would take to explain Psi Khier is just "[JNPL] got bored of writing the world and ditches." Is that the ending you seek?
>>96509564>Doesn't think the story of an anon causing their own downfall with their greed and short-sightedness has meaning.Example A of anons being uncreative, but also too smug to notice they're part of the problem.
>>96509531JNPL won't help you though
>>96509575Thats the meaning you get out of Charlie though.
>>96509567>Psi KhierAnon, Khier is Omega only.Read the actual CYOA.
>purposefully taking trap options and skipping Icon of Icons/All-Glimpse/any worthwhile parents, mentors, or companionsvgh, meaningfvl>living isekai slow life doing literally nothingOH MY HECKING JNPL!!!! MEANINGFVL KINO!!!!>Assembling the best and brightest for your mission to kill the false god and free the souls of an entire world from her tyrannyerm, picking the best options means you would lose actually
>>96509588>Also too smug to notice they're part of the problemThat went without saying anon.
>>96509531Only when certain circumstances are met, but it doesn't tell which ones.
>>96509597Why do you write like a faggot?
>>96509597SRTR welcomes you anon>skipping Icon of Icons/All-GlimpseNeither of these helped Keter. They're literally trap options disguised as overpowered abilities.
>>96509495But can you cast one archetype stuff with another one? In that case you could just cast Dreameater stuff with Black/White mage or whatever else. Or is there an Ultimate Art saying you can do that explicitly?
>>96509598Nah, I'd count my blessings.
>>96509013If you are a Sage with New&Old you should get Unity, but only one build did so.Sage's perfect memory turn you into a perfect repository of knowledge for New&Old, you can take the knowledge from every followers' mind and transfer whatever one need to know from another/yourself. You just made a new Alchemist, download everything your followers have ever figure out about the subject into it, or just what it need when needed.
>>96509609Keter doesn’t have either of those gifts lol
>>96509590>If you have KhierYeah, I don't know. How did Charlie become an Angel, how were all of those Empyreans born? Pick [JNPL] as your mom and extract Khier from a Majin, then apply it to Psi. There's a way to apply Khier without actually having Khier, just need a story.
>>96509575Ok Erginter, you do you, I wanna live for more than 100 years though.
>>96509618>trying the patched loopholeReadlet kun, please read the sections on Empyreans again.
All you need to do in E Nomine is neutralize the opposition. Elder Gods are perfectly capable to bring her back. Good luck with that though.
>>96509618>There's a way to apply Khier without actually having KhiePretty sure you can't anymore, Charlie's gatekeeping Khier, because Keter used it to become an Empyrean in front of her.
>>96509624>he wants to live more than 75 yearsThis is heresy against JNPL. Don’t you want to reincarnate and ascend?
>>96509609
>>96509626>>96509528 's dumb enough to think Khier could Psi.
>>96509618And anon was arguing there are also ways to apply Zhivete, Zhimlya and Yee that arent "This does nothing"."Nothing happens" is not a meaningful story.
>>96509597>DUDE JUST MAKE KETER YOUR MOTHER AND MAKE DOBRAVA SOLO NILMATRIX AGAIN, Story? LMAO JUST WRITE SOME SHITTY THING ABOUT HER TEACHING YOU 9584838 LANCGUAGES BRO, TOTTALY MEANINGFUL.
>>96509624COWARD!
>>96509635I'm sorry [JNPL]-sama. I will die of old age at 70, I will job to everyone who's not a peasant, I will marry an unnotable one, I will never change civilization. And I will be happy.
>>96509611Dreameater's spells are written to only be castable with the method Dreameater give you, I'm not actually sure Dancer's casting method allow you to bypass Dreameater's spells' restriction. I just assumed it can since the archetype are connected, if you can't the combo isn't op, Dancer with Emboite is still good.
>>96509609Keter didn't had those. She successfully evaded her Buki and hindered Charlie too.
>>96509655Actual life-goals honestly. This would be an objective life upgrade in all areas to most people right now.
>>96509642Isn't that because they effectively already are applied, or did some anon gaslight me into believing that?
>>96509539Zhivete isn't about rewinding time to undo the death. That would be Psi not applying at all. Zhivete is about the death "happening", the story moving forwards without them for a time, but then later you find out that it actually didn't happen the way you thought it did.It's Aqualad "killing" Artemis in front of the Young Justice team so that no one suspects Tigress is actually her. It's not Flash running back in time to prevent his mom's death.
>>96509642I just don't see how you can square those three, and Khier if you had access, with Psi without effectively having a new character skinwalking as [JNPL]. I don't see how the arguments fielded by those four about how someone can still be alive actually stand against Psi's Death of Author.
>>96509601We have an example of a resurrection in the CYOA; it just required a ritual, the remains, and that the soul be between reincarnations. It's undeath, not rebirth, but it's a reasonable guess that the holy version require those conditions + the resurrection has to be Meaningful in some way.
You don't need to revive JNPL. If you kill Charlie once, that would be enough. You can then keep her away from JNPL's blood which prevents her from using Deus Ex Machina, and YMRD can go back to her pillar.
>>96509616>>96509636>>96509662Rereading Keter's entry: I guess I forgot the Icon of Icons thing was speculation from the "Power of Friendship" line in her mentor box.Dirk Yesod isn't in her party either... HuhShe had so many chances to minmax an missed All of them.
If I drink JNPL blood, can I become a god?
>>96509717If you're talking about the resurrection of that Demon Lord, that might as well be just respawning another one like him using his template. Like some Majin are, not actually resurrection.If it's not that, who got resurrected? I missed that.
>>96509676>did some anon gaslight me into believing that?This.None of the meta letters were applied and the timeline doesn't matter to the godscript. The OR system already has options that rewrite time.
>>96509729She got cute kuudere though.Do you have cute kuudere in your build, anon?
>>96508024We will post Outer Reincarnation every day until you like it.
>>96509690>and KhierWhy do anons keep banging on about Khier? Goddesses already ascended, they don't need Khier!
>>96509729Yeah, she took the meaningful path instead and managed to avoid death. Meanwhile the minmaxer got jobbed.
I feel like Oersted from Live-a-Live would be SRTR's favorite character.
>>96509720But I want Meaning in my every action Anon. I don't trust [YMRD] when Rhucuphre's blatantly her piece, and [SRTR] is too dumb to actually ascend anyone.
>>96509749They're too scared to fight Nilmatrix and actually earn their empyreality.
>>96509738>If you're talking about the resurrection of that Demon Lord, that might as well be just respawning another one like him using his templateHe's trying to manually arrange something like the respawning point encounter for himself. That's why he needs his soul to be in between resurrections.
>>96509745Anon, you can literally cuck her by banging her Ex, or have a threesome with both.
>>96509729It's perfectly possible that she didn't have a chance to pick Icon or A-G.
>>96509767But you have to be a female to take that dyke. That's gay.
>>96509758>[SRTR] is too dumb to actually ascend anyone>he fell for it
>>96509759>If you can't 1v1 the final boss's right hand immediately after the tutorial ends, then your build is shit
>>96509690>I just don't see how you can square those threeTime-warping. LiterallyThe 3 gods don't even exist in "Time" like the rest of us, they see the entire narrative and can erase or rewrite events out of order. The OR system literally gives you a piece of that power to play with while writing out your character intro.The square of the circle is literally just "The entire timeline is rewritten and/or split into multiple timelines that now interact with each other".How is this hard to understand?
>>96509798>How is this hard to understand?Most anons haven't watched Doctor Who when it was good.
>>96509798That's the material. I couldn't care less about the material when the world is already repeatedly said to be made out of the script. Give me an argument about how either three could continue from Psi and make an interpretation that [JNPL] is actually still alive, and preferably still [JNPL].
>>96508972>One was Vtorusha's mentor. He travelled the world uplifting people with her.Then he smacked them back down so humans the world over got enslaved by other races. What a guy.
>>96509790>1v1Is this why you retards hate Icon of Icons? There are several options specifically made to help you in situations like these and you're still scared. You can't even die in this fight unless you picked a really terrible death letter.
>>96509823the great Vtorusha chimpout is to blame for that, not One.
>>96509818JNPL "died" but actually reincarnated as the Outsider system. A state significantly more tied to the world than her previous existence as a goddess.
>>96509597You know there's something in between powergaming and taking something that suits your build, right? Also, you can minmax and do nothing, or heck, even purposefully gimp yourself and try to play the implied narrative.
>>96509834He's the one who fought against her, thus be holds responsibility for the consequences of his choice.
>>96509824>unless you picked a really terrible death letter.Buki or nothing
>>96509790The secret strat is to game an encounter so that it happens only after you're ready to fight. The goblins uruk encounter is perfect for this; since generally you decide when to trigger it. (Obviously don't try to delay forever, that's how Savmak ended up where he is.)
>>96509837So, exactly as the original questioner said, and as Tank said, doing nothing in actuality?
>>96509798The outsider system only writes events happening in the relative future, I don't see any instance of things in the past being re-written, after all if that could be done then why would YMRD have needed to destroy the world 4 times.It is much more reasonable to assume that they're limited in some way, perhaps merely by willingness to pay attention while on their seats and actual vision while off of them. The world does also seem to run a background sim of events happening even without the direct attention of the godesses.
Which Outsider had the worst gift build?
>>96509848Even Kekter avoided Buki. You are not worse than her, right anon?
>>96508006It's pretty funny how you can get any ruler to abandon everything to go marry a random unnotable one and move to another continent.
>>96509869Erginter didn't even take intelligence boosts.
>>96509869Savmak, 1x eyes mostly suck. Erginter had the worst at the start, but later she got more.
>>96509879Parents are allowed to parent from a distance; see Senamotis Sarmata. It's possible that resolves with your unnotable parent mostly single parenting you, with financial support and occasional visits from your royal parent.
>>96509879It's just as likely that your father got a commoner pregnant and then she was forced to escape to whatever location you picked. Remember that Fate will usually pick the path of least resistance for your choices so they usually won't end in a happy end for you if you abuse them too much.
>>96509818>Give me an argument about how either three could continue from Psi and make an interpretation that [JNPL] is actually still alive, and preferably still [JNPL].>Zhivete: The timeline is upended and retold as [CHRL] fails to kill [JNPL] with Psi, only succeeding in Changing her instead. [JNPL] is now the goddess of antagonists because she now sees that character growth can't happen without conflict.>Zemlya:[JNPL] rises as an undead goddess obsessed with the world she became disconnected from in her ascension. Her new goal is to enter the world and create an eternal, unchanging story .>Yee:[JNPL] is reincarnated as the mortal woman Juniper and has to begin ascension from the beginning. [CHRL] now has her powers nerfed, but she's also uncontested now. Juniper is now hunted by the entire world because she's now simultaneously the only hope of stopping [CHRL] and the only mortal holding the secret to true ascension.>and preferably still [JNPL]No. Stories without conflict have no meaning. anon still doesn't realize the goddesses are faking their defeat and are simply directing a story by letting charlotte run free
>>96509869Erginter's and Aat's gamble builds aside, it's Sarmat. No respect for martials in this setting.
>>96509470Just because I am in the perfect position to become the Mother Goddess of Depravity doesn't mean I want to.
>>96509879Nothing says they'll move and live with you, just produce you and raise you kinda. Your king dad could do somewhat frequent visits to your mother and whatnot, but still live on his kingdom.
Why the fuck would the elder gods be mad that you chose something that they specifically made for you to choose?YMRD would be happy that you found her hidden tricks and exploits.
>>96509853>why would YMRD have needed to destroy the world 4 times.Because that makes a more interesting story.
>>96509902Reversing time means you never applied the Zhivete, and time reversal is not even a valid way to trigger Zhivete in the first place. That doesn't work.
>>96509903We can’t judge Sarmat’s build, we don’t know what most of his gifts even do.
>>96509910>>96509900>>96509894Fair and logicale, but isn't funny
>>96509837Still doesn't fulfill the requirements of 2/3 meta-letters.
>>96509894Neither of Erginter's parents were even present for her birth.
If you Never Alone + True Love Omega. Is it oneeshota?
>>96509893>1x eyes mostly suck.They suck compared to their X2 version but that's because most don't take them with Multiocular O. Being able to switch all those at will would be a great benefit.
>>96509122I wanted to add necromancy to my build (Faina) but I didn't really have the points/slots to add Herleva or Seo as a Mentor, take Inga or Tamura as a Companion, or give myself double Deathless Grasp (and I'd want double because constantly refreshing it is annoying.) If I was willing to go Dark Elf and Adoption Thaumiel I'd be able to swing it but I'm honestly attached to my dad even if I complained about him when first making my build.>>96509315She didn't go halfbreed so not quite.
>>96509914This is just shit the author overlooked, stop trying to justify shitty exploits just so you can pretent to be smarter than everyone because you read a reddit post.
>>96509893Tank said Savmak had the opportunity to take All-Glimpse, but he instead went with a ton of shitty eyes. The fool.
>>96509917Anon, you aren't part of the narrative yet. You only enter the narrative after you close the OR system and enter the story.Your essentially arguing Doctor Who should stop existing any time he changes the timeline, despite not being part of the timeline when he's in the TARDIS.
>>96509934>This is just shit the author overlookedrumao
>>96509917You're still thinking of things like there's only one timeline.Multiverse Time-Travel Theory anon, Look it up!
>>96509013>4/7 are sages. 5/7 have New & Old.didnt know we had so many techchads in cyoag. what gives?
>>96509924This guy >>96509902 already explained Zhivete with >[CHRL] fails to kill [JNPL] with Psi, only succeeding in Changing her insteadWhich still applies here
>>96509916It really doesn't, it simply removes an entire settings worth of lore which could be used as backdrop for future stories after the other races have died out. They are very explicitly not capable of unwriting what has already been written and can't create things from nothing so total destruction is a bigger limit than just carrying on.
>>96507312>Ideal: Hero>Blessings:IndomitableAscentBank Of SoulsNoosphereUnityMetempsychosis>Burdens:Billions Must DieI Would Win>Races:HumansHumanlike AngelsFairiesHybrid [Esoteric Angels/Dragons]>Regular Followers:CivillianMountWarriorNeophyteCraftsmanArcherMiner>Higher Followers:KnightRangerIllusionistArtisanAlchemistHealerCaptainSapperGiantRitualist>Exemplar Followers:ThaumaturgeGeneralGrandmasterArtilleryOracle>Dead Vassals:PharasDuke UlmanAttempt Seven (Teles The Golden)LaravMarinThe Whispering StagFairly straightforward build. Traits let me have a degree of omnipresence, and I can resurrect dead units for half the cost, letting me hold onto valuable veterans. I didn't see the need for more than a good combined-arms army; Knights form the spine, warriors fill out the rank and file, archers and artillery provides provide ranged support while rangers are amazing when used with the Noosphere trait. Illusionists control the battlefield, while I have magic support with my ritualists and thaumaturgists, but no real magical presence aside from that. The rest are for supporting my forces in various ways, Exemplars really being delegated to enhancing the rest of the units. We don't really have much in the way of champion-killers outside of perhaps giants, but my Ideal handily covers that role. My races weren't really important to me, humans are just generally useful as low-income units, while angels and fae are good as mages or high-end units. The strategy with vassals is to divide and conquer as much as possible, and sow chaos within the leadership. As long as the archdemons are fighting each other, they can't focus on mine own, letting my weaker units pick win the war of attrition. For example, with Attempt Seven dead at the hands of Teles, his already weakened domain will be further weakened, which might just provide the opportunity Wrath needs to decide to take vengeance.
>>96507845Didn't actually read this before, the logic of it seems odd. Insofar as making war is largely a function of one's ability to apply physical harm, and modern technology/guns unquestionably provides that far above 'guys with swords and armor,' saying that actually having modern+ tech doesn't provide that strong of an advantage seems like it implicitly would suggest also that the ordinary physical warriors, guys with blades or bows, (i.e. absolutely every soldier that regular humanity can field) is going to be rather ineffective in defense.Based on the description of New and Old itself, I would have presumed the more limiting factor is the fact that some degree of personal involvement in technology is required. This represents in fact a kind of interesting reversal, as ordinarily the great distinction between magic and technology in a setting is that the former is intrinsically linked to a small number of 'special' people who have to make it happen, while technology is purely process-based, and can be far more easily universalized, spread out to everyone. Whereas in this, you can at least summon lots of mages who do their magical thing wherever needed, but making technology work is limited to JUST YOU. Even if we do suppose that's a final touch, "wave your hand over the pile of guns to activate them," it still limits the reach of technology substantially compared to what it is in our Earth, and even compared to magic. Combined with the risk of tools falling into enemy hands, that seemed to me enough to provide balance it being genuinely far more effective than guys with swords.
>>96509987>Examples For Races (Just For Fun):My Form: Surprisingly human-looking half-dragon, sacrificing my elemental breath and scales for a heightened esoteric ability, embodying the virtue of Fortitude; strength in soul and body comes with every superior foe faced unwavering, every wound taken and un-parried blow feeling this growth until the enemy can be overcome.Fae Noble Illusionist: Attached to a roving ranger band, this Duke Of Red Leaves takes the form of a beautiful, androgynous elf, face shifting every time one looks away. While haughty and seemingly possessing of an instinctive talent for insulting his escort, his cruelty is reserved alone for the demonic forces he encounters. It seems this nobleman has an obsession with practical jokes; while it would be simple to hide them among the foliage, demons instead almost always fall victim to what can only be described as pranks, though the arrows planting themselves in distracted throats are no less deadlier for it.Human Oracle: While blind, the Sight of this seer has not been hindered in the slightest. If anything, the woman may have benefitted from it. Spindly and gaunt, it's clear from a glance that she spends her waking hours locked in her chambers, divining the threads of the future with careful precision, overlooking nothing. She knows even the smallest of things can promise great victory, or certain doom. Only when certain does she remove herself, presenting her findings to aid the greater war effort. Hopefully, someone reminds her to eat this time.
>>96509943That one is fine and, as he said in other post, will likely give the Empireality to Dobrava, not you. Did he ever say anything about Keter/Thaumiel other than "I guess It works"?
>>96509902I think that's valid enough, and I'll have to think if I want to write Psi counter-arguments, but>metaworld bullshitis the highest grade copium that only an Outsider siding with the Gods could take. The moment you start believing that the only ones who hold any Meaning at all are the Gods is the moment you ape the worst of Malkuthian zealots through completely novel methods.
>>96509940You are absolutely part of the narrative. You have been since you died a thousand years ago; they've just had you in Outsider System the entire time. "All of the seats were filled from the start, it's only a question of awakening one for each iteration." Souls are held outside of the world but not outside time between reincarnations, see Remember the Demon.>>96509944Every time the Old Throne reverses time, the aborted future is ejected as dream, which becomes nightmare after mixing with the dead dragons. Or, alternatively, the future never actually happened at all, it was all just precognition and the leaked dream is the overflow of more future-divinity than the throne-user's mind can take in, thanks to the sheer amount of godscript-reading that precognition required. Unclear which is true, but either way there's only one timeline at a time. The metaphysical camera is showing us all the same movie.
>>96509999Is there anything preventing you from recruiting Gunter's companions for yourself? I want Empyrean Dobrava and to kill Nilmatrix.
>>96509905Mother Goddess of Depravity;Origin of Evil;The Indestructible;Goddess of Origin;Mother of All;Brood Hive of Filth;Sovereign of the Physical WorldBlue MageBlue MageChampionArtificerArtificerBlue MageChampionIt really does fit perfectly...
>>96509987Blessings:(-2-1-2-1-1-1)=(-8)Burdens:(2+1)=(3)Explain in detail
>>96509902>[JNPL] is reincarnated as the mortal woman Juniper and has to begin ascension from the beginning. [CHRL] now has her powers nerfed, but she's also uncontested now. Juniper is now hunted by the entire world because she's now simultaneously the only hope of stopping [CHRL] and the only mortal holding the secret to true ascension.This sounds interesting, maybe she'll go with that after Charlie's dead if you don't take E Nomine. No need to waste a good plot hook.
>>96510016Wait for LotM CYOA to leave the oven first, Anon.
Charlie replaced the Pokoy in [JNPL] with Psi.Pokoy is calm/peace/death, Psi is afterlife. Using Psi is also how Charlie created Evdokia.
>>96509938Why would he need to when you can IGY his descendant and he'll get it for free in exchange for being your companion?
>>96509902>Yee restarts the process of ascensionExplicitly not how reincarnation works, anon
>>96509969>Which still applies hereNo it doesn't. [JNPL] is very explicitly dead, which isn't compatible with the effect of Zhivete.Your equating "Dead" and "Not Dead" as if they were the same thing.
>>96510015Maybe fate making them his companion and making it so he constantly appears before you? If there's no fate guarantee companions stick around (which I'm not sure if it's a thing), nothing should stop you from recruiting them all, including Gunter.
>>96510047Transformation is death as far as the Outsider system is concerned.
>>96510047He's going to reply with time travel, as if time travel is compatible with Zhivete. He's going to ignore everyone who tells him why that's wrong. It's happened twice already.
>>96510059How do you even read everything and come out of it thinking I'm the other guy?
>>96510009>you died a thousand years agoProof?
>>96510059>Pssst, you reread the convo>You're replying to the timetravel anon
>the 11th didn't take clearmindedlmao ngmi
I'm really curious if Cuttlefish can release the remaining rituals and powers faster than Tank can make his LOTM cyoa.
>>96510015Fate has to play out as it's written, so they'll meet Gunter and meaningfully interact with him. As long as you resolve that, nothing's saying you can't arrange a permanent team-up. I'd even say it's likely if you're planning a big final battle; the protagonist and his rival standing together at the end is a classic trope.
>>96508672Cry about it Cucklander. The Mudfish will inherit the world!
Is this guy STILL freaking out that his "perfect beat 0^0 while making my build" plot turned out to not work?
>>96510069I gave you a quote directly from the CYOA that flat out says the seats were filled from the start. The first seat was awakened a thousand years ago. What more proof do you need?
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>>96510094That doesn't mean I'm already dead, they could just have a bookmark on my soul and are going to snatch it when it's my time to debut in the story.
>>96509993Yeah, you were wrong, you're supposed to use Mages and Magic Guys with Swords, dummy.
Why didn't Erginter try to steal the Savmak sword?Just look at all those juicy gifts...
>>96510106She did, anon.
>>96510101That's wouldn't be "awakening" you.
>>96510106She did.
>>96510084>the protagonist and his rival standing together at the end is a classic tropePure, unfiltered, meaningful Kino. Too bad most people just take Gunter for exploiting Nilmatrix.
>>96510112>>96510115Then why didn't the 11th take the sword? Is he stupid?
>>96510114Technically if they snatch my soul at that moment, they're killing me, or I'm already destined to die then, and thus incarnating me at all in their world is awakening me.
If you only need to buy Everlasting because of 0^0 being a nigger, why did Savmak take it too?
>>96510118Please understand anon, I need all 3 companion slots. If I had 1 more then I'd take him.
>>96510125I did? Savmak is in my build.
>>96510106How is he so perfect?
>>96510132He didn't buy it, he was granted it. It's listed in the builds of all the Outsiders who were given it, including Charlotte.
>>96510133Just give him one of the chicks you took, don't be too greedy, anon.
>>96510106If she was actually interested in the deeplore she may not necessary lose the patron god even despite her villainous ways.
>>96510126I suppose. I think that's twisting a pretty clear story to fit a headcanon that is unsupported by the text, but if it makes you happy have fun anon.
>katya's build is just random x1's, and basic caster package + martial instinct and bestial strengthmeaningfags are gonna get ketered
>>96510020Oh... I guess I'll take off Indomitable.
>>96510163I would live to get Ketered.
>>96510154I just think me dying 1000 years ago is weird, because it means OR is taking place in this world while our world is in the year 3022-25.
>>96510163>get KeteredYou mean survive Buki, hamper the main villain, and be there for the next outsider? Sounds like a good deal.
>>96510171There's nothing saying that time runs the same between the two worlds.
>>96510146They're all essential to my build
>>96510169>>96510178Keter only survived via eye of fore + empyreality corpse running.The elves did all the damage.(you) have neither elves nor empyreality
>>96510171It might be that Earth is long gone, and this is the new world that the Pillars made.
>>96510198She also didnt had Empyreality at the start of her build. The same exploit may not work again, but someone who found one might very well find another, especially with more experience.
>>96510198>(you) have neither elves nor empyrealityWrong, I have 4 elves and empyreality if I kill Nilmatrix
>>96510207This world's timeline didn't start 1000 years ago though, we have elven records and history going back at least 3000 more before that.
How do you guys think Keter stacks up against Nilmatrix?
>>96510198I actually meant getting romantic and sexual encounter with Keter where she is the one who initiate it with slightly forceable approach.
what do Soul Revolving and Luminescence of Man do?
>>96510245Same nglGuess I just have to seduce a lesbo instead somehow
>>96510249Both were 10-point gifts
>>96510240Nilmatrix backstabbing her is how she lost the fight with 0^0.
>>96510272Yeah, but how does she stack up in an actual fight?
>>96510249My guess on Soul Revolving is that it's One's Everlasting modified by Mithra's teachings. Doesn't make sense for him to not get it, and he lived pretty long and was still pretty swole not to have a Lifespan gift.
Aat received the patronage of two elder gods by appealing to both of them. He was a seeker of secret knowledge who kept rolling dice even though he only got ones, and found a way to beat the odds anyways -- a paragon of YMRD. He was a perpetual underdog and an honorable yet terrifying villain who provided the world with centuries of epic conflict -- a paragon of SRTR. The world is worse for his loss.Erginter lost the patronage of her only god, and failed to appeal to any. YMRD loves those who find hidden secrets, including exploits, but she does not love those who find one secret and stop, satisfied with their victory. Curiosity is love for the world, but Erginter was not curious. SRTR may have enjoyed Erginter as a villain, or even as an anti-hero, but Erginter did not choose SRTR's patronage in the Outsider system, nor did she seek SRTR's patronage after entering the world.The moral of this story is that you can do whatever you want, but if you want to be successful, you should know what you want and pursue it. Walking a confused path leads only to confused results. Be the best version of yourself, and do not apologize for it.
>>96510290>EverlastingHe fell for JNPL's meme as well and wanted to follow in the steps of his teacher. Life extension isn't a problem for a legendary caster.
>>96510295>who kept rolling dice even though he only got onesNo, he didn't choose to roll anything. He was just forced into bad situations by chance.
>>96510315Insane aura loss if he actually fell for it.
>>96510324Arguably true for his early life, but he was Xian for more time than he was Aat. And even as Aat, he chose to fight back when he could have obeyed.
>>96510249>what do Soul Revolving and Luminescence of Man do?I'm guessing they revolved souls and luminesced men.
>>96510351Just like godhand is god's hand
>>96510249Soul revolving is a being revolver with souls instead of bullets.I will not be elaborating.
>>96508176>Hand of Infinity: Causes any action the user would perform with that hand to generate a significant pool of possibilities as if that action had been performed with minor variations. The action resolves as the user would have chosen from the entire pool.>Charlotte's Autoantecedence: The pool now expands to include possibilities from up to one second forward or backward in time.>Sunstride: The user generates inner radiance from momentum or accomplishing goals, causing the user to appear grander and more inspiring to others. Inner radiance diminishes from inaction or a negative emotional state.
>>96510295>SRTR may have enjoyed Erginter as a villain, or even as an anti-hero, but Erginter did not choose SRTR's patronage in the Outsider system, nor did she seek SRTR's patronage after entering the world.The only real big thing Erginter did was defeating Inga Yesod who was a much more interesting and clever person than Erginter.Other than that, it is likely that most of her adventures were low threat ones where she just hunted and killed people who could not threaten her for their gifts. She did also kill Yphont but Yphont was mostly a peaceful scholar-diplomat so that hardly was anything entertaining.You could say she did more to rob the world of potential, stories and personalities to satisfy her solo leveling fetish. That's very anti-SRTR.
>>96510397Inga was seriously op with her time-travelling marionette and crazy levels of necromancy.
>>96510397I wonder if, after rolling for Sarmat and Tuzik, who are two very boring Outsiders on the grand scheme of things, [SRTR] ended up opening a Rival Tide or something to Inga.
>>96510449>SarmatSRTR is openly gushing over Sarmat on the Outsiders page, she loved that dude.
>>96510464He handled her plots, that's true, but he didn't really spawn more plots.
>>96509013New & Old is overrated. Guns won't do shit against the Archdemons.
>>96510295Wasn't Erginter the only one who had the patronage of no gods at all? And people still say minmaxxing is meaningful.
>>96508006https://rentry.co/ORbuildrate1I have added 18 more rating to the build ratingsI think that's almost all of them, except the solo builds and anyone who used the keter trickI fully endorse and support anyone re-rating or rating on different criteria, this is in no way meant to be definitive
An encounter where you are challenged by the dream-manifestations of previous outsiders would be kino. One's challenge would be a wisdom-check philosophical puzzle. Vtorusha, an epic mech duel. Aat, an intelligence-check fantasy chess match. Erginter, a straightforward boss fight. Etc...
>>96510495Autist is not only the most moral, but also the hottestThis isn't balanced in the slightest
>>96510513>Tuzik challenges you to grow the biggest radish
>>96510520she's bitchyPASS
>>96510513>Tuvik challenges you to see who can milk a cow betterIt's over for me.
>>96510495YMRD gives the best power if you pick her, causes no death and suffering, and is tied for the hottest one. This selection is not fair.
>>96510520What did Tankista mean by this?
>>96510513I would prefer an encounter with a dream-manifestation of hero Charlotte.
>>96510531By cow he means local cow beastfolk ladies. All while you smoke pipe and drink together.
>>96510513Actually goodPut this on reddit or discord so tank reads it
>>96510513>buff mental gifts even more
>>96510560Why doesn't he give us attention when we have the most insightful conversations?Like which companion has the best breasts
>>96510537>Charlotte's challenge is just a romantic picnic on a sunny beach.Fund it!
>>96510575We have a wife tier list but no pure breast listSomeone needs to get on that
>>96508006Is OR magic as bullshit as Magocratic Convention magic?https://imgchest.com/p/dl7p85wojyo
>>96510579>wife tier listAnd it's a shit list
>>96510581>OR magic is just Umineko'd Eragon>Magocratic Convention magic is just fancier TTRPGsCheckmate magicfags
>>96508234What did she do?
How come there have been no builds focused on getting Icon of Icons, then having a companion generate some majin for you?
>>96510586It was perfectMake a better one, grognard
>>96510581Not even close. OR barely even has time travel, and the best form of immortality has multiple straightforward counters.
>>96510603Because thats a very weak focusAnyone can come up with more elaborate combos and cooler asthetics
>>96510603They wouldn't really be your friends or like you, just extremely loyal. Better to just take Royal Claim+Noble Inclination and be a good ruler.
>>96510529You will never fuck Charlotte
magictards are insufferable
>>96510579Let's leave that in mcyoag. We don't need to replicate the worst parts wholesale.
>>96510603Because I would rather be the demon lord in this scenario
>>96510604>Techfags>Gunfags>Magicfags>MartialfagsWhich are the worse?
>>96510513>Sarmat's challenge is an attentiveness-check masquerade ball where you have to solve a murder mystery.k-kino!
>>96510603https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/"Icon%20of%20Icons"%20maouThere have been quite a few. They just didn't bother spelling it out.
>>96510586I want to see yours.
>>96510579Flat is best.
Luminescence of Man + Icon of Icons + Noble Inclination + Pukluxun + Zhuchka = god emperor
>>96510601Raped one of their other sisters.
>>96510639>Techfags>GunfagsWhy did you repeat the same thing twice?
>>96510668>Omega Heresy
>>96510639>the worseGunfags are the worst. Then magicfags. Martialchads and Techchads clear.
>>96510657I'm too much of a readlet to read all the chicks, but that list had some shitty people at the top from what I remember.
>>96510676/k/ and /sci/ are not the same board
>>96510680Remember to choose Lyudi + Zemlya for maximum lore accuracy :)
Has any Dark Elf build come up with how they're going to fix the Eternal Curse?
>>96510689/sci/ is literally just /x/
>>96510682He put Thaumiel in S-tier. That's how trash the list was.
>>96510603Fun fact: the Toybox has 2 Icons of Icons and 2 Daemonhosts.
>>96510695I'm afraid that fixing the eternal curse is not an insular language bonus. So it's impossible.
>>96510705Yes, and /x/ is just r/Jesus
>>96510708Which list?
>>96510708I really hope everyone who said they think Thaumiel is a kuudere was just joking
>>96510708Holy, it's even WORSE than I remember. He must've been baiting.
>>96510682You can do a partial list
>>96510695>fix the Eternal Curse?Tenyota + Inner Vision then spread the spell to everybody. It doesn't solve the unfeeling issue but it eliminates the inherent deadliness of the curse.
>>96510695I feel like it'd be easier to fix it as a non-dark elf, Some anon came up with a theory for how Aat/Xian came up with the eternal curse so you could use that as inspiration for how to fix it.
>>96510496Could you update for the latest version of my build pretty please anon? https://rentry.co/qoppathetalyudiupdate
>>96510520>>96510534I re-balanced it for you
>>96510496Someone should probably rate the solo builds, since they got left out of this one.
>>96510695My dark elf build relies on Eternal Curse to ignore Bitter Sickness, fixing it would be actively detrimental.
>>96510495SRTR has the lowest kill count by far. Think about it.
>>96510708>>96510723This list, Labeled wife tier list, has thaumiel down under "Never ever" and does not have an s tierI, as author, will note that this is organised left to right, meaning thau is 5th to last
>>96510786>Wouldn't>IngaBad taste.
>>96510767Now you just made her a cute kuudere
>Eternal CurseHow about Nezvana's trick? The curse doesn't work when they're below their "prime" age.
>>96510776>Eternal Curse to ignore Bitter SicknessNope>(redditor)"also, how f*cked up would you say someone with bitter sickness and Eternal curse be?">(tankista) "Pretty fucked up. This would likely be even harder to cure."
>>96510786>Rhuncuphre not taking her rightful place at the peak.She's going to gaslight you into killing your own harem Anon.
>>96510786>cute kuudere not in Head Wife grouptrash
>>96510788She is both a narcissist (The bad kind) and a dead body in a doll, what are you hoping to get out of that?
>>96510798She could literally just pretend to be a higher rated wife
>>96510790That's intended, it's in the source material
>>96510805>NarcissistWrong, she was objectively doing the right thing fighting the Nightmare.>Dead body in a dollZombie + doll joins = erotic
>>96510767That still isn't very balenced
>>96510726How is she not a kuudere? If she isn't a kuudere what is she. She is quiet.
>>96510815She could, but that doesn't erase the fact that she should've been there in the first place.
>>96510819>Zombie + doll joins = eroticThis nigga gets his rocks off to pinocchio.
>>96510786>Charlie: Dateable>Omega: not on top>Keter that low>Reddit joke ghost at top>Rhucuphre that high>Wouldn't MaouYikes!
>>96510830Pinocchio isn't a zombie, anon,
>>96510831You are blind to lifeYou will never get itYou are forever trapped by your inadequacy, only able to eat what another has chewed for you
>>96510805Her virtues are often misconstrued as failings of her character. What she has is not pride — but dignity. Not jealousy — but strong sense of justice. Not greed — but ambition. Loyal and regal. Mysterious.
>>96510839He's a puppet brought to life, he's basically a wooden zombie.
>>96510671Why did the sister not like it. What about family bonding.
>>96510786>Du'um that lowI can't believe you failed to recognise the true kuudere anon.
>>96510759Just the link or did you change something?
>>96510847Silly Outsider, i can't be blind, I have All-Glimpse.
>>96510855Because that sister is literally the only female in their entire family who wasn't a lesbian, even their mom is one.
>>96510853That's not how that works.
>>96510860Yes, I added some stuff (Pukluxun mostly) and did the write up of 32 of the 45 majin (The undone ones are because I couldn't theme around a letter with unknown meaning)
>>96510805>this dude can't get off hot doll joints and perfect porcelain like skinReddit is two blocks down
>>96510859I don't think they're a bad person, I just don't want to marry them
>>96510496>and anyone who used the keter trickWhy aren't you rating them? The trick is cheap, granted, but they still made builds.
>>96510882Same reason he didn't rate solos.
>>96510863Wait where does it say their mom is into girls?
>>96510882It's also very gay. No one wants to rate same builds all over.
>>96510496>You have 12 people above "High priority" to learn from and each one will take atleast 2 months or soProbably longer even with all the shortcuts, because language barrier is a thing and my selection of them is not great. I'll try to speed it up with custom ctreated tutor Majin supplemented by a direct mind reading, but extracting Meaning from someone thinking in completely different terms is difficult. Starsight is also of limited help here.That said, I am not in a hurry to fight Charlie. I am not going to do it at all, she is a wonderful distraction. So the "High Priority" list mostly consists of the knowledge I need to nab as fast as possible, while its holders are still alive and easier to locate, then archive for study in the coming decades.Not having to worry about old age coupled with a time travelling chair allows to take the long view.
>>96510895One of the villains, Ethelgytha, is their mom's lover.
>>96510824Unfortunate, but hard to change without twisting the source material. YMRD is just the best girl
>>96510905So everyone in that kingdom is bi. What is wrong with that sister? Does she need to go to a straight conversion camp?
>>96510882I just don't care?I don't have any obligation, and I don't think someone using such a trick should care or be rated against others. They sacrificed meaning and their place in the world for power, at best they should be rated amongst themselves>>96510892I didn't rate solo's because they are slightly harder to rate, and have fewer interactionsI might do them later for that one guy who asked
>>96510901I'll admit I didn't read them - but since the trick is meant to get more points IIRC, the end results is probably different from one person to the next, right?
>>96510923Random variance, anon.
>>96510924>They sacrificed meaning
>>96510796Sure. This is the trick though - I am not going to cure it. I am perpetually stuck with a low endurance and foul moods, but can't feel any pain or change in appearance due to that. Moods can be somewhat helped by meditation, the rest I can live with.
>>96510924>MeaningfagOpinion discarded.
>>96510933>>96510939I don't think it will make them weaker, it's just booooorrrrriiiinnnnnnnnggggggThey have no texture to them
>>96510953Keter's breasts have nice texture and meaning to them.
>>96510904God I like you
>>96510953They're not boring. They're using exploits to push a build to its limit.
>>96510924>I just don't care?rightly ignored, basing one's build on thread pointmaxxing meta is indeed lame and gay
>>96510974They are using a copy paste exploit that reduces their childhood to numbersI can tell when I am being bored
>>96510994True 0^0 disciples.
Anyone remember if the Lusus Naturae social menace review thing ever dropped? I was randomly reminded of it and can't find it.
Does anyone know if all the death letter images are somewhere in the source files, neatly sorted?
>>96511003Yes, no.
>>96510974This allows them to make more options, often the same 'optimal' options, making each individual choice less meaningful and builds themselves more similar.NTA, but I would do the same in his place.
>>96510994I just want to be raised by the only woman on the planet who has been through what I've been through and doesn't want me dead. I want her to have a family again too, she's been through so much.
>>96509136>Light Overlord starts off vastly stronger, but doesn't have limitless potential. If given many thousands upon thousands of years, a Dark Overlord will outpace them. Light Overlord also has somewhat less minion variety.Dark Overlord can outpace the Light Overlord a lot quicker than multi-millenia time frame, if you just take Nest. One peon makes multiple Nests,, which in turn can make multiple peons, which in turn can make multiple Nests. And so on, which means you can in practice grow way way faster than the doubling rate per decade of a Light Overlord.
>>96511023Then don't refund the languagesI did check
>>96511001https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/92251865/#92254724
>>96511023>the only woman on the planet who has been through what I've been throughCharlotte?
>>96511049She wants you DEAD.
>>96511062>She wants me [...]Another win for Northerner chads.
>no warmachina builds reviewed>not even ONE anon aspiring to the purity of the blessed machineFor shameMake more robot builds
>>96510786Your waifu is trash!
>>96511081My warmachina build is solo and personal, sorry.
>>96511081There was one upthread, it just sucked
>>96510481It'll do shit against everyone else in the horde, which means you can invest way more into killing them, than otherwise. Two dudes manning a machine gun nest can fire as fast as an entire company of archers. meaning you can save the vast majority of the resources you'd otherwise spend on Archers on elite assets to take on Archdemons Vassals and whatnot. Even better, take Charity, and make use of how New and Old uses a relatively small amount of Vril compared to its value, meanwhile Charity gives you an almost comparable amount. You now end up gaining Vril by investing in horde-clearing, allowing you to invest almost all of your Vril into specialist assets and industry, and entirely ignoring any of the low-tier fodder options.
>>96511090>Genderswap sectionHonestly pretty basedI forgive you for being a retard and eating trash, you're a good man
>>96511098>this shit againSeethe
Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot (ascendido, forma inicial) is a warmachina build.
>>96510928A great part of your story is you going up, no one really likes the idea of Keter raising them, they just do for points, or they say they do like it, but its just a lie for points. And half of them want to fuck her too.
>>96511191One + Keter is the best parent combo.
>>96511187Fuck off, cringelord.
>>96511187You're one of us, cringelord.
>>96511196They have nothing in common, unless you headcanon something yourself. I'll admit that Keter at least is a great mentor, you're probably gonna escape your letter if you follow her advice, doubly so if she's also your companion.
>>96511212NTA but they're both Outsiders. There must be some common ground in their pasts.
>>96511196One + Rhucuphre would beg to differ.
>>96511224That's like saying just because two people are bakers they have a lot in common, and Outsiders did not even chose being Outsiders. They were also born in vastly different eras, with different goals. You don't have common ground with the others just because you're and Outsider too.
>>96511090>His trannification fetish selection is larger than his best girl selection.extremely homosexual
>>96511235Well, we're all from the same planet, and apparently from the same time period too. It could be used to build a rapport.
>>96511255Wait, what? Is that actually confirmed that outsiders came from the same planet?
Some parent choices are criticized unfairly. People are always calling Pantorai bad but if you take him and aren't using Adoption, you are getting serious combat Mentoring as part of your upbringing.Ratha is another example, she's not good on the point economy but you're getting drilled on How To Win In OR every night instead of a bedtime story.
>>96511227Tasteful
>>96511255They were also all chosen from /cyoag/.
Your Parents are only guaranteed to be your biological parents, they can leave freely.If you pick Adoption, does it mean your Adopted Parents can leave freely also? So the only thing that's guaranteed is that they raised you at some point of time, possibly not even at the same time but sequentially?
>>96511090You monster, what did Sonya ever do to you?
>>96511263...Yes? All Outsiders are from Earth, and from modern time too. We're just being released with a 100 year gap.It's been known for a while.
>>96511090>JsilbertI'm listening anon
>>96511263Bob, Katya, Charlotte, New New York as a capital of Exarchate... It is never spelled out directly, but implications are clear.
>>96510496I despise you.
>>96511264>you are getting serious combat Mentoring as part of your upbringingThat assumes Paxxia is interested in teaching you, or if she'll let you stay weak so you're not a threat. Remember, Pantorai is dead when you're born, your sister is raising you.Anyway the issue is that a lot of parents teach you vague things that are outside of the System, so assigning objective value to them is troublesome. Mr. Overpriced himself, Taexx, teaches you magic using his body as an example. What does that mean? What can you learn from the failed experiments performed on him? We don't know, so we can't judge whether this is worth him costing so fucking much.
>>96511264>Ratha is another example, she's not good on the point economy but you're getting drilled on How To Win In OR every night instead of a bedtime story.If I have to go through a second childhood, then I want it not to suck ass
>>96511288<3
>>96511102If you spend all your time slaughtering hordes then the demons will just send higher tier units to decimate your gunners, leaving the hordes to overtake your armies. You're acting like the demons will just mindlessly send hordes after you, but that's not what is happening. They're intelligent beings.
>>96511275That's nice, but still, you wouldn't have much common ground with an Indian politician or a Sentinelese tribal just because they're from your world, would you? Earth is a pretty big and diverse place. Even people in here get at odds with each other.
>>96511292Fucking same, my parents loving me is a prerequisite before I choose them, literally everything else is secondary.
>>96511297Third wolders can't be Outsiders.
One is a Kansas farm boy for sureCharlie is a britshitterKatya is a slavErginter is Mexican
>>96511290He makes you a drakonid, is a powerful warlord and doubles as a unique mentor with some insights into draconic secrets. The genes are useful too. He is priced completely fairly.
>>96511090Just IMAGINE if Aat was a girl and that half-undead that rejected her was a guy. Everyone would be saying he's turbo gay or has no dick.
>>96511305Erginter?
>>96511305Erginter is right there bro
>>96511305But i'm on the Tide, though?
>>96511311Counterpoint: Xaxas has all of those same things except she also has twice as much value in gifts for you to inherit.
>>96511264He’s expensive and the gifts are shit.
>>96511319Your build is invalid and JNPL won't puck you up.
>>96511320She is a certified bitch while her knowledge starts and ends with "how to break faces". You can train clawing people today in a lot of places, but there is only one specialist on the applications of greasified eldtritch horrors to biomodifications, after Paxxia slaughtered all the rest.
>>96511227>One + RhucuphreThe moment One realises how much of a threat Rhucuphre is, he's going to attempt to kill her. He fought to the death with his student for much less. As for Rhucuphre, she's explicitly described as an extremely vengeful who hates the gods and what they stand for, it stands to reason that her hatred extends to one of their greatest champion.You are going to survive their clash due to fate, however you'll be lucky to even one of them survive until adulthood. Anyone who picked this foolish combination will suffer a harder childhood than Charlie.
>>96511342*today -> to death
>>96511342Her entry specifically notes that she'll train you to your limits with a perfect understanding of your abilities and potential. She's basically explicitly giving you what you think makes Paxxia such a good 'parent'.>Applications of greasified eldritch horrors to biomodificationsAnon, he is specifically a FAILURE. All his knowledge results in what he is: a fucking cripple he needs dragon corpse juice injected daily or he keels over and dies. He has no practical knowledge on that stuff to give you because every experiment done on him was a failure.
>>96511271I'm just not into 12 year olds I'm sorry>>96511277I want an angry woman to hit me with a giant cross sometimes>>96511313FACTS
>can’t get daemonhost with JNPLFuck
>>96511358Anon, you don't need to fuck her as soon as you're 18. Plus she's beastfolk, they mature faster, [JNPL] told me so.
>>96511358Firstly, she gets older. The average age gap in OR is like 50 years with the elvesSecondly, that makes you a rube, a pervert and a fool. Women have more value then sex (Well this one does anyway)
It kinda sucks that the Keter/Thaumiel trick is so maligned when being adopted by her would actually make perfect sense for my build, but I do need to burn two-three languages to afford stuff, like I did with my bio-parents.
>>96511368You're already Jesus, stop being greedy.
>>96511375Why do you care about the opinions of retards?
>>96511271She didn't tell me what the FUCK her Autoantecedence does
>>96511373>Women have more value then sexMadness.
>>96511386It makes you shoot EVEN MORE bulelts, duh!
>>96511393He means anime women
>>96511368Icon of Icons is better anyway.
>>96511346I imagine, this would not happen so fast. Rhucuphre is a very secretive person and such a knowledge would leak out slowly, carefully measured. They are both fated to care for the outsider for some time, this gives some leeway. Maybe she'll try to influence the new Outsider by herself, or maybe she will reveal just enough to debate with One without devolving the situation. Still, the tension will slowly grow, especially when the 11th gets grown up enough for the real lessons. This is where conflicts can truly start.Both of them a protected by fate though, so escalating the conflict too much is entirely pointless, even if it happens. Instead they can start tugging the Outsider each in their corner and this is where really interesting things start.So, yes, not an idyllic childhood but very 'exciting' and full of revelations. Like taking Ratha on steroids, which also comes with risk to your physical/mental health.
>>96511382I want to be jesus 2: antichrist>>96511407I want to be a majin though
>>96511386The floating copies don't disappear. She just keeps creating more as she keeps moving.
>>96511382But to be Jesus you need to be Aat's son. No one else makes a woman magically pregnant rom another dimension.
>>96511375The main issue anons have with the Ketertrick is its a shameless pointgrab. If you have a legitimate narrative justification for why you have Keter as a parent then all the power to you.
>>96511090>dobrava top tierexploit abuser meta slave>femmak trash tierno soul
>>96511421Aat doesn't have Death of the Author.
>>96511430Nah, it's Thaumiel that's justified.
>>96511434I don't recall Jesus having that in the Bible
>>96511354Wrong anon, I never praised Paxxia. He is specifically the greatest authority on medicinal magic. Drakonic lore is not his field, but observing the consequences, learning about experiments and his own part in them both as a subject and a fellow researcher gives a place to start digging deeper, while showing what NOT to do. It is quite valuable to not become a cripple yourself.
>>96511433>exploit abuser meta slaveAs the Gods intended.
>>96511433Fuck exploiters, Dobrava is good because she strives to be virtuous despite beying a literal psycopath, peak of goodness. She would also calculate how to be a perfect wife if needed.
>>96511382>>96511407>>96511415>>96511421>>96511434>>96511438I have found a loophole.JNPL, hybrid dark elf/majin. I would be both the progeny of JNPL, and subject to the eternal curse. With the power of nightmare, I would be able to draw out the gifts of Aat/Xian from the eternal curse. Thus making me a demon lord Jesus, born of immaculate conception from a father that doesn’t exist to a mother that is a god.Will post build in a few hours.
>>96511463But can you buy Icon of Icons like that though?
>>96511441Anon, Pantorai's research was on how to turn mortals into Drakonids. He was trying to make Drakonid Changelings. If Taexx is your parent you aren't going to be doing experiments on yourself unless you're a full retard because you already are a Drakonid.Anyway you are perfectly demonstrating my point from my original post here. All this shit on your part is SPECULATIVE and outside of the System. How valuable is it? Clearly, I think it's not worth any AP, because his experiments were failures, and medical spells can be learned anywhere. You, on the other hand, seem to think it's an amazing value worth at least 5 AP (the gift gap between him and Xaxas,) equivalent to Icon of Icons or All-Glimpse, to be able to look at some crippled fucker who never could figure out how to make Changelings. See the issue? When it's not contextualized in the system, the value is impossible to objectively determine. Thus, people not valuing their parents' knowledge very much.
>>96511476It makes much more sense to assume that parents are giving you value in some way than the system is fucking you over.
>>96511453What would you do when she stops trying? She's a literal psycopath. You can't fix her. I would prefer a fucking Charlotte in my bed.
>>96511438>Death of Author >Occulus of Human Goodness>Icon of Icons>God Hand/Stifling of Arms/Bleeding Heart Gesture (either of those is fine)>Overstep If you're Jesus build doesn't have these, its trash.
>>96511484It doesn't make sense to point count because that leads to shit like declaring one-point gifts are worthless or that low-cost companions can't be good at/for anything. Your parent teaches you what it says he teaches you, but is that going to make him equivalent to another parent, are we going to speculate that actually his teaching is super way good and better than the other parent, just because he has dogshit genes next to her? No.
Would Nilmatrix fuck Eleventh for the mission?
>>96511490>when she stops tryingThat's like saying what would you do when your wife stops loving you or stops being a good person. You don't marry someone thinking that would happen, and i don't se why would she.
>>96511498Probably, you're weird for being so obsessed with fucking Charlie's horse
>>96511498Yes, but she would spit and take birth control
>>96511509>Charlie horseGenius.
>>96511476Of course I see it. This is one of the reasons I like the CYOA so much and while it spawns such a discussion - there is a lot of place for interpretation. I just find it to be a feature, not a bug.As for the Changelings claim, Taexx is 296. He lived there long before the Realm and already was a drakonid. Whatever experiments were done on him, they were not about turning him into what he already was.The part about him being unrivaled medical spellcaster is directly stated in the CYOA, there is nothing speculative about that. Hom many points do you think a mentor with this knowledge would cost in an early renessaince setting, where superpowers raise from biology?
>>96511495No, it makes plenty of sense to assume that the medical wizard dragon teaches you medical wizardry, or that the warrior queen dragon teaches you to be a warrior prince dragon.
>>96511498What do you think? The best "world shattering betrayal" would be NTR.
>>96511509Anon is a white woman, please understand.
>>96511498Absolutely, she would also place spikes in her holes to maim your dick on your final night too.
>>96511490I said before that Dobrava and Du'um are the only perfectly moral targets of True Love. You are literally giving them something they otherwise would never experience.
>>96511515It doesn't make sense to assume that his teachings are automatically good enough to make up for all the extra gifts Xaxas has over him.
>>96511526>moralGet that shit out of here.
>>96511526You give people death letters. The "perfectly moral" companions are only those who have death slot at all. Even Zhivete and Pokoy are questionable.
>>96511534We're just going to have to disagree on that then.
>>96511526"Never" is a harsh word. You can probably use some of the 700 types of magic that word has to give them those feelings with their consent. True Love is still pretty moral in that situation tho.
>>96511433Anon 3-4 of my best girl tier are autistic-coded. Do you think this is metaslavery, or do you think I have a type?
>>96511526>POV anon True Loves DobravaAre you sure it is such a good idea?
>>96511475I like how Icon of Icons has morphed into this general's equivalent of the "can he beat goku tho?" meme. Its very funny.
>>96511540What's so bad about Ouk? I'd apply it to myself if i could.
>>96511551Yes
>>96511551It sounds like a great ideaShe will surely calculate a way to make us happy, together forever
>>96511551>Pacifist Yandere DobravaMy body is ready.
>>96511551Daww, she's doing math to make me happy. Truly a top tier wife.
>>96511514>they were not about turning him into what he already wasWe see from Upunth exactly what Pantorai's research was about, anon. It's not ambiguous. He roped Taexx in, who thought he'd just be a scientist/helper, then turned around and turned him into a subject. In what role? Maybe he was burning the candle from both ends, trying to figure out how converting Drakonids to mortals would work in hopes of figuring out the opposite. Maybe he was just taken apart to figure out how being a Drakonid works. Either way, we know Upunth was the fruit of all this, and that every experiment done on Taexx was a failure.>The part about him being unrivaled medical spellcaster...Just like Xaxas's ability as a warrior. My point was throwing that back into your face: you downplayed her teaching by saying you can just learn it elsewhere (this is true,) so I downplayed Taexx's training by pointing out you can learn that elsewhere too (and this is also true.)>Where superpowers raise from biology?Literally nothing in his description gives the impression he can bestow inborn gifts.
>>96511540Death Letters is a non-choice, because even if you don't give them (which is impossible since the cyoa itself forces you to) someone else will. True Love on the other hand is completely optional and doesn't have any purpose than satisfying the player's lust.
>>96511592If a girl won't love you, she will love someone else. It's a non-choice.
>>96511554Think about this: Wherever they are, it's still /somewhere/ with /things/ that can kill you.
>>96511592Do you not see any value in true love beyond senseless sex?
I wonder if anyone's actually been convinced not to use true love because people keep claiming it's mind control.
>>96511605But that would be true even if there was no Outsider at all.
>>96511610I've been convinced to use it because mind control is hot
>>96511610No, but some people cope because they think it is and their waifu is gonna love them forever regardless of what they do.
>>96511588We see one facet of his research. He also created Drakonic language and imbued it with power, collected the knowledge of Dragon Sage, used some mage-cult variant to imbue himself with worldly divinity and who knows what else. He is not described as a scholar for nothing, I find it more likely that he tested methods to elevate drakonids into something closer to True Dragons on Xaxas>you downplayed her teaching by saying you can just learn it elsewhere And I still stand by my words. There are a lot of good fighters among mentors, There is only one biologist, specifically pointed out as 'unrivaled'. Meaning, no one comparable to him exists.>Literally nothing in his description gives the impression he can bestow inborn gifts.If we go with your version of events, he had participated in events that directly gave All-Glimpse and Drakonic Transformation to a pair of people. Without it we still know that Inborn Gifts are ties to a physical body (even if they are partially spiritual) and he is the greatest specialist on bodies. Sounds like an essential knowledge for further experimentation.
>>96511623We will apply mind control afterwards, just to be sure. And because it is hot.
>>96511622I think the term is Erotic but you do you
>>96511599but that's how incels think
>>96511599Not if she's incapable of feeling emotions.
>>96511692Psychopaths aren't incapable of feeling emotions, they just don't feel empathy and guilt.
>>96511610It's even worse than mind control.It's a bad use of points.
>>96511717The lack of a mind control mentor is a mistake.
>>96511512TANKISTA!!!
>>96511717The real reason I've never bought it is because every character where I actually care about the details of who they end up with is a JNPLer who got it for free
Do you think JNPL will let me choose my letter of the damned if I ask nicely? It says the letter for your “natural spawning” cannot be predicted, but this is no natural spawn.
>>96511770Roll for your letter and I'll tell you what it does.
>>96511770No you have to roll the dice, get a Yer variant, and turn yourself inside out if you ever cast your letter spell. Like YMRD intended.
>>96511770It's anons like this that made the shitty autoantecedence powers.
>>96511770I'm of the opinion that even non-JNPL parents will let you choose your build's letter of the damned. Birth via outsider system is not "natural spawning" at all.
>>96511770The acts of the Gods upon the world are a natural part of it.
>>96511797"Natural Spawning" basiclly means "non-daemonhost spawning". Plus Fate is natural to that world.
>>96511430The narrative justification is to redeem her that's what Tank said.
>>96511816"Natural Spawning" means you wouldn't get all of your inborn gifts if you aren't very lucky and you naturally wouldn't be able to buy inborn gifts your parents don't have. Outsider system birth is literally messianic birth, you're the 11th person to be given the right compared to the millions of normies who had to be born with rng.
Rolled 24 (1d45)>>96511784>>96511790>>96511795>>96511797>>96511799I’m gonna roll but if I don’t like it I will ignore it because I have free will.
>>96511430There is basically no justifiction, no one ever did that before the exploit. "Redeeming her" is a retarded explanation, you're much better doing that with her as a companion who did not raise you.
>>96511828>Khier majinkino
>>96511375Just go with it. Dis start. Tam mom. Aat father. Being groomed into the next Demon Lord of Dis is a good thing.
>>96511834I did One/Keter in my first build thoughDidn’t even give myself any languages
>>96511826The Outsider system is gonna make your parents fuck, that's natural spawning. If you could chose your letter, it'd be said so to remove any ambiguity. Stop trying to powergame like a fag and accept your random letter.
>>96511592False you are able to make a build where you don't give people death letters. Just take JNPL as a parent and get adopted by One, or be an Uruk. Then take no mentors or companions. Earn everything on your own Charlie.
>>96511828You're Seo, but for Empyreality instead of Undeath. Unfortunately, 0^0's lock on Empyreality applies to your powers, so all you can do while she sits on the pillar is create mindless empyreans out of dream-stuff.
>>96511854There are plenty of companions and mentors that have no death slots, even.
Why is he like this?
>>96511854>Then take no mentors or companions. Earn everything on your own Charlie.It's possible to only take mentors and companions without a death slot.
>>96511834By having her adopt you, you meet earlier and you can redeem her earlier.
>>96511863>>96511867My mistake you can take those then. I was just in a hurry so I just went for the fastest option of spawning in.
>>96511854You can take both companions and mentors, there are enough slotless now to fill all the vacancies.
>>96511843Do you have a quote from Tankista that confirms this? If not its up to players to interpret what natural spawning means and frankly I can't see anything natural about being born with the outsider system. Outsider system birth is the opposite of natural, its contrived and artificial because you get to choose and control everything about it unlike natural birth where you cant control it.
>>96511867>>96511863>>96511876The most moral possible build is the necrochad with Herleva and Spako as their mentors and Inga, Darina, and Su'uq(Zenia if she doesn't count) as companions
The only moral choice of parents is JNPL and Pantorai. Every other is making two people fuck each other through love, rape or whatever. It's much worse than True Love.
>>96511888You can also just By Design someone.
>>96511891Just go the sarmat route and pick asshole parents you'd kill anyway during your adventure.
>>96511882Tankista's answer was that choosing your own letter was blessing of SRTR territory, it's fair to do it in singleplayer but not in multiplayer.
>>96511891Nuh uh, my dad Aat didn't fuck anyone.
>>96511905Then why does your mother hate you?
>>96511901Where is this posted? Is it in the qna google drive or Tankista's reddit posts?
>>96511912Sorry, it says in her description that i was unexpected but she loves me. All completely moral (not that i care).
>>96511862>0^0's lock on Empyreality applies to your powersNuh uh
>>96511915Reddit
>>96511862As anon said, nuh uh. He can be the inventor of Majin Empyreality, just like Seo is the inventor of Majin Undead creation.
>>96511891If you pick Marsat and Senamotis you aren't making them fuck against their will. They are already married, so they will be fucking.
>>96511770I looked it up and >>96511901 is correct. Letters of the Damned is meant to be rng.>>96511925I guess you're right. Sorry for being a readlet.
Rolled 21 (1d45)>get Az>nullify your own powers>build brickedThanks for playing
>>96512001It doesn't have to be that particular manifestation of AZ, it could easily be one that makes target forget things or an enhancement spell that absorbs buffs around.
>>96512001Certainty
Rolled 27 (1d45)Rolling for a Majin build. YMRD guide me.
>>96512001If you call YMRD autistic, she will do this to you
I totally rolled off-site for my majin letter, trust me
>>96512062>I humbled myself with >>96511990>YMRD gave me the letter of humility in Cherv'T-thanks YMRD.
>>96512082>>96512097>Rolled 13 (1d45)You can't erase your sins so easily
>>96512082>>96512097Bro should've learned from Feodwra
>>96512107Kako, Iotated Yest and Yest. Pretty good rolls.
>>96512082>13 for death>>96512097>40 for biblical tribulation>>96512107>6 for devil (666)Give it up anon your rolls are cursed
Rolled 30 (1d45)>>96512101>>96512102>>96512114What are you talking about? This is my first roll. 0^0 guide me
>>96512114>Iotated YestWoops, yus not yest
>>96512121>ShtaWhy is [YMRD] bringing out the good rolls for him?
Rolled 4 (1d45)>>96512133YMRD helps those who help themselvesThis is my last (first) try
>>96507733The author said that it's impossible to learn anything but the basics of each archetype without talent in those specific things. This means that not picking Blue Mage and/or Artificer for to upgrade yourself down the line is dooming yourself to eventual stagnation. Well, you can alternatively pick Rariel and beg her to upgrade you, but good luck convincing that bitch to do it without a slave clause.
>>96512121>30 for 30 pieces of silver>>96512139>4 for deathYou somehow got 5 unlucky numbers in a row. YMRD is trying to tell you something.
>>96512146https://www.reddit.com/r/nsfwcyoa/comments/1n99d6k/isekai_the_end_v09_ocisekailong/nd33taf/>An average person can train one Archetype to the point of becoming competent at its basic skillset, e.g an average White Mage can heal and shield well while still being able to defend themselves. You need talent to be able to develop perks - look at the companions and bounty targets, they're some of the strongest humans alive and they cap out at 2 Archetypes with capstones.>So are abilities and capstones just not based on any linear progression of learning or experience in a certain application of an Archetype, but instead just arbitrarily designated to people removed from their development in that field, or any deliberate development/mastery of these abilities? Are they just innate superpowers that put those who by chance develop them above anyone else in the same field, like unique 'Skills' in a LitRPG? If so that's 100% fine, just it doesn't seem very intuitive to how it's presented in the CYOA to me.>YeahAlmost forgot to show his words.
>>96512156Blue Mage just got so much better
Rolled 40 (1d45)>>96512149>YMRD is trying to tell you somethingthat I should double down?
>>96512146Man I already took a look at the CYOA and this just shows that Jack of All Trades is the only real option to take. It'd suck not having a capstone but being able to unlock so many other categories and have 10x faster learning gives you so much more versatility than someone who just goes for a couple busted abilities in their sections. A 10% weakness is small when you consider how much you can stack with all the categories of magic you've opened yourself up to. Don't really get why any other choices are worth a consideration.
>>96512146>lesser authors: meticulously balance to ensure nothing is too op and nerf broken shit>chad reddit author: completely disregard balance, buff the broken shit to be even more op, nerf everything else
>>96512146You are already starting maxxxed out, other people will strive for a lifetime, and most won't reach your level. But, again, yes. Not taking Blue Mage is gimping youself.Pic reltated is also extremely strong. Not sure how many people took it.
What happens if you use adoption on aat?Do you just become a feral retard with no language?
>>96512210>Pic reltated is also extremely strong. Not sure how many people took it.I >>96509324 maxed it and also took Delayed Escalation. I have so many threads I can't use that I'm left with 8 at the end because I had to pick Benevolence, which prevents converting threads to shards, to unlock Heavenhold.
>>96512215You can still buy languages, but yes, your childhood will be on hard mode.
>>96512178Now that I think about it, 65 years is more than enough. YMRD sucks.
>>96512203>Jack of All TradesAll you need is Blue Mage maxxing and Qliphoth Rhizome, Puppetter stuff besides the required one is nice too.Or just take any other good combo really.
>>96512223What if you use true love on Gewgrin's book what happens?
Do we have a list of builds' letters of the damned and their effects?
>>96512234you become booksexual
>>96512235no
>>96512234Nothing unless you take whichever encounter lets you make inanimate objects sentient
>>96512235The letter of the law is that you are not allowed to determine the effects of your letter of the damned.
>>96512234>No encounters and no perksRead anon
>>96512215If Aat is your only language-granting parent, you can't pick a starting location. This would actually just make your build illegal but for fun I sill sat that it implies that your mother casts you into the underground, demon-baby. You are then raised by the nightmare.
>>96512250meaningfvl
charlie is just an empyrean with Word of God and Deus Ex Machinathat's it
>>96512238Hey you don't know the pleasure a good book can give you.
>>96512257She's also an Outsider with a ton of good gifts 200 years of training and an entire empire to buff her icon of icons. But no friends.
Isn't Kashtanka about to die from old age? Would she even survive to mentor you?
>>96512218It's kind of a pity that I can't have Caraptine Plate and Kaleidoscope. At least I got the super mind control ring Eternal Promise. If someone is willing to risk it, they can try putting it on Rariel lol.
>>96512275Beastfolk have Longevity which means they live like 150-200 years on average.
>>96512257Deus ex deez
>>96512281what's a deus ex?
>>96507312Another sketched-out build: Living SaviorIdeal: Saint.Blessings:>Bank of SoulsI really don't know why this is a 2-cost blessing! The MECHANICAL benefit honestly seems quite marginal, since the rate of accumulation of the dead (especially including the initial billions) would be vastly greater than your rate of restoration. But it may pair well with...>SaviorWhich now accomplishes the core mechanic of the build; Saint is the best resurrector by far, Bank of Souls ensures that there are always people ready for resurrection, and Savior I -think- should make this action return a decent amount of vril in addition to the benefits of restoring someone to life. One could quibble over whether resurrecting someone is technically "saving them from life-threatening danger," but it seems to fit the concept thematically at the very least. Of course, it is very unclear whether the return on steadily restoring the dead to life would actually represent a meaningful improvement on natural vril gain.Since that's three, I could stop there, but let's squeeze in another gimmick of sorts, a few more blessings for a few burdens.>CelestialHaving a 'safe harbor' against the tides of demons is always pretty important; with Celestial, that harbor can be high orbit, unreachable to the vast majority of enemy forces. It would suck if they simply had to float up there in the void, but I suppose it should be possible for me to fly up there myself and summon structures without having to worry about rocket payload capacity.>InductionAgain, normally this is probably not something actually worth a blessing point (much as it really wasn't for Dark Overlord). But, so long as the nearest race available I have to ordinary humans is a flying race (it's gonna be angels), I can angelify people to let them fly up to the safe zone in the (metaphorical) heavens.(cont)
>>96512271>no friendsIs this an actual fact?
>>96512280Depends on your patron>JNPL75 years tops>SRTR or YMRD150, perhaps more
>>96512247You don't need to give your companions/mentors any encounters.
>>96512280Tuzik lived for only 70 years. I'm not sure what Longevity is good for except delaying menopause.
>>96512275Nah Tuzik was just built diff. Finished the job, fucked his wife a few times for good measure, then dipped out to the next life.
>>96512288Burdens>I Would WinOne of the few that seem possible to live with, steadfast belief in the inevitability of victory is hardly the worst thing for common soldiers. Particularly viable here because the Saint is the most persuasive, and I can explicitly disabuse e.g. important generals of their delusion with a bit of work.>MercyMaaaaybe viable, I have to think or hope that the number of outright betrayers of humanity would be small? At least, proper choice of follower types should be shore up the problems associated with this.Races:Like I said, can't take humans here or the induction strategy wouldn't work. Let's keep it simple>Humanlike Angels>Nonhuman Angels>Esoteric AngelsFollowersGeneral emphasis here is on fast motion and 'death from above.'Regulars:>Hunter>Archer>Charger>NeophyteSound pretty useless in themselves, but I am going to rely on Ritualists, so neophyte support should be helpful.>CraftsmanActual industry up in space, rather than summoning everything, might be, well, tricky...I suppose it's not inconceivable to try to capture an asteroid. But hell, if we're stuck at a low level of technology, I'm really counting on the ability of magic to fill in the blanks.Higher:>RangerSame cost as knights, should work as bulk of conventional forces, perfectly suited to ranged strike forces from above.>Jailor>PaladinThese two are critical to address the Mercy problem, the latter particularly to try to actually sort out betrayers from victims. Lie detection, what a godsend.>RitualistSome general combat use, but this has a far more pragmatic utility, in that I need them to provide the arcane energy to 'feed' my angels.>ArtisanLikewise assuming that industry will be possible.>CaptainGotta have commanders for the strike forcesExemplar:>ColossusDon't expect to have many of these at all, although Saint helps here that I could resurrect them if needed. Main reason I'm thinking I'd need one is that a Colossus seems(cont)
>>96512257Now explain what Word of God does.
>>96512276I don't think it would work on her. She's immune even to being lewded by the NSFW author, truly Outversal.
>>96512280No, her ancestor had pokoy and died in his 70s. Therefore Kashtanka is also at risk of dying to old age.
>>96512292Her outsider profile says no one will miss her when she's gone.
>>96512303the natural choice to be able to physically haul asteroids into earth orbit. Probably in the form of an esoteric or nonhuman angel.>ArtilleryHello, Rods from God. Take advantage of the placement high above the earth.>ResurrectorIn addition to the other benefits, I ASSUME that resurrectors can also 'draw from' my Bank of Souls. I guess, even though my actual followers don't need to breathe, we're going to have to make some pressurized sections of the space station to resurrect people into, don't want them asphyxiating to death again immediately after their return.>SlayerI figure anything that the demons could send up against me would probably be of the "giant big monster" variety, so probably want to have a few people specialized in anti-giant-big-monster operations.>GeneralAgain obvious, I'm not a strategic visionary, so I need to have some people who are. Absolutely crucial though to make these guys realize that victory is not always guaranteed.>ValkyrieAgain well-suited to hit-and-run aerial tactics.>OracleAny build that doesn't take oracles is foolish.>ThaumaturgeTop-tier generalist magician, completing the trifecta and hopefully helping to cover any contingencies I haven't thought of.Archdemon vassals, guess I'll go through this one this time...Aspheor: Pharas. Just as oracles are practically obligatory, so too is eliminating enemy foresight.Devourer: The Great Wyrm. Not critical here, but seems like a bigger headache than the rest.Craeses: Seven. Teleportation portals are one of the few ways our strongholds in the heavens could be assailed, so it's better if they don't have easy access to them.Wrath: Grend. Big scary thing, might potentially be able to reach space, let's take it out.Coroth: I guess Calea? No strong opinions on this one.Teles: Wyvern. Even if they can't normally reach space, cutting down on their ability to fly will make my own incusions less resistible.
>>96512275You wouldn't let the wise and hot foxgirl with amazing genes and perhaps Thoroughbreeding die without having kids, would you?
>>96512304basically its thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doh2LzWkxFU
>>96512295True Love is a perk anon, I was answering that you cannot use True Love on the book.
Would anons rather mind control an evil person into a loving mother or kill them through contrived fates?
>>96512356Is she hot?
>>96512293>>96512300>>96512310I know this is a running joke now, but he had JNPL as a companion, what actually probably happened is that he was getting tired of life and asked her if there was any more Meaning in him living, she told him no, and so he asked her to let him die already.
Rolled 45, 101, 109, 89, 157 = 501 (5d200)>>96512062Rolling for my Cherv' majin letter's effect with the spell ryoa. Guide me once more YMRD.
>>96510726She is a cute kuudere.
>>96512356Greater Yus is not mind control. It's just old fashioned brainwashing.
Rolled 181, 102, 118, 88, 179 = 668 (5d200)>>96512366idk if the ryoa works for majin spells, since they're meant to be based on a specific lettermaybe sub out the second roll for Cherv?
>>96512360>companion,Mentor actually, but yes. He fulfilled what he wanted from his second life, improved himself, gained a family and friends and left a lasting legacy. He also went on several adventures, some even with big stakes so it's not as if he did nothing. Once he reached the peak of his life he was ready to move on and let his soul start over.He was the greatest [JNPL] champion.
>>96512308Is she?>Refuses to say why her goddess didn't take her with her, saying that it "doesn't matter" and that she "never liked that old hag anyway".Seems like she just doesn't like the goddess.
>>96512383>Time of Lies Stretches Roughly >2-10 dayswtfany meaningfags explain?
>>96512356Rhucuphre can be evil AND a loving mother, anon. She contains multitudes.
>>96512366Hand of Lies Transforms Roughly, 2-10 hours or Hand of Cherv' Transforms Roughly, 2-10 hours if we go by >>96512383Would a kind anon please grant my majin letter Meaning?
>>96512393It increases the amount of time people will believe a lie you toldBy a lotGood for scams and military nonsense
>>96512356Kill, their evil genes would spread otherwise. Wifing someone and giving them love is reserved for good girls.
>>96512389>and left a lasting legacyUnless you take his descendant and impregnate her, then he actually didn't because Charlotte blew it all up.
>>96512448>evil genesEvil is not genetic; see Omega and Apantoxia
>>96512455Paxxia is evil?
>>96512460She like raping Outsider shota's and secretly thinks Xaxas is right but dumb
The implication with Eirina and Numerology would lead one to believe that you of all Outsiders have the potential to Ascend, since 11 is the Master Number and represents Da'at, divine knowledge and light like how 10 is Keter. So try hard little Outsider, and make sure you listen to Eirina.
Assuming the rolls in >>96512366 and substituting Majin letter for the second roll.>Hand of Cherv'(humility(fig.) or worm/moth(lit.)) Transforms RoughlyI would assume you can transform things into worms or insects by touching them. Let's say they know their place, and won't attack you or each other unless coerced to. Since it already has uses for minions and a one-shot-kill attack, I doubt it would be very versatile (on its own) otherwise.
>>96512448What if they were good before, and/or come from a good family, but got lost/corrupted?What if all they need is a strong guiding hand?It's based in principle, but there are still things to consider, and you should never stop caring about others
>>96512460>>96512467Paxxia is pretty much designed to be the 11th Outsider's mid-boss, even if she's your sister. She's basically destined to start shit and need you to put her down. How you handle Apantoxia (even if you don't choose her and thus she's not her daughter, you could still team up) is what decides the future of the entire Drakonid race from there, whether you genocide them, let them live independently, or bring them into your kingdom/empire etc.
>>96512472I'm half-expecting you to say "and Rhucuphre was right by the way!"
>>96512472Rhucuphre: "Listen to Eirina, Outsider"
>>96512476>I would assume you can transform things into worms or insects by touching them. Let's say they know their place, and won't attack you or each other unless coerced to. Since it already has uses for minions and a one-shot-kill attack, I doubt it would be very versatile (on its own) otherwise.Alright, thanks anon.Guess I'll start working on the build.
>>96512472Instructions unclear, I true loved the elf grandma
>>96512485>How you handle Apantoxia (even if you don't choose her and thus she's not her daughter, you could still team up)Would she even exist if I don't pick her?
>>96512486>>96512487Don't be paranoid, Eirina is a nice girl and has nothing to do with all that. Her age is just a coincidence, if you live long enough, you'll be 666 someday too.
>>96512500Readlet-kun...
>According to Tankista, having Royal Claim (muddish) and putting Shta on Jdan ensures that he selects you as his heir, meaning you can use the old throne.Can you move the old throne or is it bolted to the ground?
>>96512501>living 600+ yearsNo thanks. I'll save the world and go on to the next.
Rolled 133, 101, 173, 98, 167 = 672 (5d200)>>96512366rollan
I can't believe the dwarfs named a girl Jarknight. No wonder she betrayed them.
>>96512514I assume you can, but the city built around the sleeping giant would be destroyed in the process.
>>96512514It's not bolted to the ground but it's the control chair for Vtorusha's god-mech, which the city is built on the back of. Even if you could move it and that doesn't require you waking Vtorusha up, it would kill everyone if you did.
>>96512521>Nah, I'd dieAbsolutely retarded.
>>96512514Mech has been broken since the WoH&E. Only the throne functions.Bring Vtorusha back and it probably works tho. Or at least is fixable.
>>96512536Well it doesn't sound like anyone treated her very well growing up, which is why she betrayed them all to the literal demon.
>>96512366>133, 101, 173, 98, 167Children of Lies Exchanges Lethally (2-10 Days)Sounds cool. Fuck spending 48 hours on it tho.
>>96512548>Bring Vtorusha back and it probably works thoThis is how you tang.
Aatginter could solo Charlie easily.I highly doubt either of them would let go by now, you can probably revive them.
>>96512545>it would kill everyone if you did.Good. All M*ddish should die.
>>96512556The CYOA gives you two ways to revive them, either hand their corpse to Dei so she can make a copy, or let Baf eat it so she can take on the mantle without desecrating their memory.
>>96512501Sure, she's just a an eccentric. There is nothing suspicious about her at all. Not even 0^0 pays much attention to her messing with God Script and inventing numerology. After all she has no ambitions. She's just a pawn in the great scheme of things. It couldn't be that some shady shit is happening just under god's nose.
The only outsiders you can't get to join your party are Charlie, Sarmat, and Tuzik.
>>96512556And then they solo you right afterwards.
>>96512556Aat was cool but who the fuck wants Erginter around?
>>96512559But you would be one of them, are you killing yourself too?
>>96512556Why would I revive them when I can help a big tiddy goth girl steal their power and knowledge instead
>>96512553Do Majin have to chant their innate spell? Ota just seems to need someone to step in her shadow, and I think all the other Majin can just use their spell too.
>>96512563>CharlieShe's your untimeskipped Companion.
>>96512574she isn't invited
>>96512563And Yphont. All of them have a descendant you can take though, Kashtanka for Tuzik, Omega for Charlotte, and Jarnigit for Yphont (in spirit.)
>>96512561As much as Blazhko and Gunter get brought up for being great 1 pointers, it's surprisingly rare to see people mention that you can get an Outsider level companion for 1 point with Baf.
>he isn't using numerology on Outsider corpsesngmi
>>96512581Jdan is 0 points and he comes with a free time machine
>>96512563>Bring Sarmat back>He solves all the plots in 20 years and goes back to being dead>Nothing to fucking do nowThere's a reason the gods brought in Erginter after Sarmat.
>>96512583>numerology is the solution i swear!
People who think it's a good idea to wake up Vtorusha haven't heard of a guy called Numidium.
>>96512581I'm guessing it's because not a lot of builds took her? Maybe thanks to her Late Thulean.
>>96512587>free time machineYeah... Let me know how that works out for you.
It's time for someone to assemble the Outsidervengers to stop Charlie, yes this means you have to figure out how to get the heroic version of Charlie on your team.
>>96512601purposely use the chair over and over until the nightmare consumes the worldYMRD resetsshrimple as
>>96512599Really? I thought there was a Baf investor in every tide and was trying to avoid another Eirina situation.
>>96512594I am going to wake up Ytorusha before I turn 18 and let her meet One again.
>>96512608>winning from your battle stationBASED
>>96512608Critical logic flaw in assuming that [The Nightmare destroys the world] happens before or at the same time as [The Nightmare kills you]
>>96512608Stop telling people to kill themselves.
>>96512619And? Yat + Zemlya. Even in death, I serve.
>fucking 15 ap in the holenow I know why no one picks JNPL
>>96512613I am going to get a half-undead descendant of Mithra pregnant with One for the same reason.
>>96512599It's because the Majin are NOT cute or lovable.
>>96512632Your Majin harme bro?
>>96512628By my calculations of taking her vs taking optimal parents for gifts, she costs at least 30 points, most of them being AP.
Why take Baf if you can dice fudge Dei and spawn as many Baf as you want? Same with Seo.
>>96512632Always sad to see blind anons out in the wild
>>96512620It's not suicide, anon. It's omnicide. That's much cooler.
>>96512650Baf costs 1. Seo can be untimedskipped.
>>96512650Would using true love on Dei mean any future remembrances of her would also be affected by it?
Baf is another girl with an unfortunate name.
>>96512650Baf gets Demonhost once she eats Erginter's corpse, and it's the Xian version where she has all of the specializations at once.
what are your majin names anon?
>>96512581>BafImagine being named fucking Baf, kek
>>96512664Yeah, but her loyalty after that is not guaranteed. But I see your point. It's power now vs power later with a cheaper cost.
>>96512665DobroOukZelo
>>96512665Anon.
>>96512664Will she only go for Xian's stuff, or is she getting all of Erginter's stolen gifts too?
>>96512648This graph and its consequences has been a disaster for Outer Reincarnation.
>>96512687Tank said on reddit she gets both. She stays Majin, so she won't get erginter's dragon form or longevity, but she's still quite possibly the strongest character in the CYOA if you complete her quest.
>>96512702Vtorusha is still stronger
>>96512660It makes me want to bap her.
>>96512257[JNPL]'s blood has got it going on, it's all I want and I've waited for so long. Charlie can't you see, you're just not the God for me. I know it might be wrong but, I'm in love with [JNPL]'s _____.
Do you think Gewgrin book will teach me anything worthwhile if I already have Keter, Inga Yesod, and Omega?
>>96512664I doubt she retroactively gets everything Xian had, what she will do is take his meaning for herself, that is a Daemonhost that can spawn other Daemonhosts and start demon lines. Even after that she will still be weak old Baf so she's a great Majin maker if you can complete her side quests, protect her and make sure she stays on your side and doesn't succumb to Majin autism.>>96512687No, those are explicitly uninheritable and cannot be turned into disciplines, only she herself could use them.
>>96512702>she gets bothWhat the fuck, I already thought she was ridiculous when she was just getting Xian. Big news if you're not bullshitting us.
>>96512706She'll never wake up for whatever
>>96512702So she's a good target for By Design or fiert on
>>96512702Did he say anything about the Multiocular O + Missing Shape thing or not?
>>96512720>or fiertThis is asking for fate to do it in a way that fucks you over.
>>96512702Can you find it, I usually check and didn't see that. Seems too much.
>>96512718
>>96512720Can't fiert her because she's a C, but you can just possess her anyway.
>>96512726>FateShe wouldn't betray me.
>>96512740My exploit sense is tingling...
>>96512726Why are you always bullshitting with fate?
>>96512741So the optimal play is to By Design her, learn how to make demonic undead from Seo, help her eat Aatginter, become a ghost, then possess her.
>>96512742Anon, it's a well known fact:If you stay up past your bedtime, fate will sneak into your room and nibble on the toes of you and your waifusThis in an immutable truth
>>96512740I'm not sure that passes on the stolen gifts. We have other places like Tenyota that distinguish stolen gifts as still being someone else's, not yours, and it says there that it would pass Erginter's gifts.
>>96512665I'm fond of IBL for demon lords loyal to the empire
>>96507312This CYOA mentions allies and other forces of Earth, but who are they?Humanity sounds like it's completely incapable of any kind organization besides small survivor communities.Are there organized groups of supernatural beings in the world? Are there any complex civilizations?
>>96512765Can't you just Az Zemlya?
w-which letters do the godscript letters correspond to in english?I can't into slavscript...
>>96512765Why would I possess her when I can instead thoroughbreed her
>>96512789First are A B V
Would making Grim Outlook x3 allowing me to imbue letters of the damned instead of curses be too strong? Going for a warmachina style Daemon ex Machina where the majin would be Machine spirits that can autonomously pilot or work with another like Oko. The gifts would be additional effects added to the warmachina when copiloted with another. Could also just be living items like Savmak sword.
>>96512789The wikipedia list of cyrillic letters has most of them, and their pages tell you what sounds they make
>>96512791Thorough breeding only ensures your own gifts will be passed on, and it's already confirmed Erginter either doesn't have it or it doesn't apply to her stolen gifts.
>>96512665Dobryshta.
>>965126651^1
>>96512820Anon I just want to have sex with her
>>96512304It's a non-magical form of esoteric knowledge, closer to the area of Attentiveness than Caster Intuition, that allows its practitioner to control the consequences of their actions. Users act in a backwards direction from divination by choosing one event they know to be a possible random outcome and then estimating the actions that are necessary for them to set it in stone. It is likely that it was based on a mystic notion of writing your own destiny, as it was derived from the teachings of Mithra who was known to have written his own life story to such heights of skill that he became the author of others. Charlie's religion remains notably compatible with its ancestor as she was able to misattribute them to herself without a problem.Here is the missing link that connects Esu's "letter" tsifra to dreams. Both of them are the least developed form of the godhood that the Elder Gods were cultivating, numbers reflecting the edicts of an embryonic god, and dreams reflecting the demands of one. That's also the reason that the Old Throne creates such vast amounts of dreams, it fights against the desires of not just three gods, but the billions of them throughout the planet. It contradicts every soul on the planet, melting their Meaning away, resisting spiritual forces with as much force as the most fundamental of physical ones.
>>96512845Valid
>>96512849>That's also the reason that the Old Throne creates such vast amounts of dreams, it fights against the desires of not just three gods, but the billions of them throughout the planet. It contradicts every soul on the planet, melting their Meaning away, resisting spiritual forces with as much force as the most fundamental of physical ones.god damn I didn't realize the old throne was this fucking based
>>96512859Vtorusha was a Solipsist, regardless of whatever she believes.
>>96512809>imbue letters of the damnedThat's just imbuing spells, aka enchanting. Once again, think higher.
>>96510876Ok, done, and with brief ratings for the lettermen
>>96512809Sir? your insular bonus?
>>96512771Tenyota species that because she learned she can't externalize the gifts stolen by Erginter with HER ability, not some definitive thing that applies to everyone. The reading seems clear to me, she tried to copy Erginter to get her revenge but since she doesn't have Erginter's cheat letter she can't do it.
>>96512809Don't listen to >>96512878 , it's a cool idea. Creating living spells through items is a good choice. You probably already have Daemonhost though, which could have a lot of overlap.
>>96512864It's because she identified herself with the dream of all humanity. That is, she asserted that all of humanity was united with her was her in fact. That's why her tanging you if you wake her up is an actual possibility, if she got her way it's very possible it wouldn't manifest as "The Elder Gods step back and let people define their own fate" but "All of humanity (as a singular entity) defines its own existence." Basically like an Ota but for the humans.
>>96512864>>96512916>All as one - the Second One! The true Second Seat is all of us together. Even should Vtorusha fall here and now, the Second Seat shall live on in our dreams!>The true Second Seat is all of us together.
>>96512888I will take the Insular bonus for Auburn too.>>96512894Yeah, I will have Daemonhost through Aat/Phershepa for the mental gifts. The overlap can be made beneficial with half my majin being able to be warmachia and the other half as riders once I start figuring out how to make greater warmachia.
>>96512891I don't know, I would consider it the result of Erginter mentorship rather than gifts belonging to her body, like what Xet can teach you, you replicate the effect of his letter but it's not an inborn gift. Otherwise you would inherit them from her assuming that Baf gets the bodies but not their knowledge then she shouldn't have them.
>>96513004Baf gets knowledge too >>96512740
>>96512712Ask yourself this, would any of those know common Empyrean tactics, strengths and weaknesses?Keter is simply one herself, at most she could tell you ways to kill them but you would have to force them out of her since they aren't covered and she wasn't an Ecumene soldier, Inga only knows Empyreality from her theories, she shouldn't know their common tactics and weakpoints and same with Omega, she wasn't a soldier. If your intention is to fight coordinated armies of Empyreans then he's the best bet.That and the book is the only way you will learn how to seduce those thee in the first place to even teach you things beyond the scope of the system.
>>96512916
How many end the world plots can you trigger at once?
I don't want to ruin anons fun but the CYOA flat out says that waking up Vtorusha won't end the world in Savmak's outsider entry
>>96513071All it says is that waking up Vtorusha doesn't end the world. False Ascending all of humanity as a Giant Naked Vtorusha isn't ending the world, it's just another, worse Charlotte. All the other races are 'fine' unless she starts killing them for some reason.
>>96511463>>96511828I wish I had some more points to add flavor to this build, but this is what I got:>patronJNPL>reincarnationMaleAdoptionTrue Love: NilmatrixUntimeskip x2 (Keter/Gewrgin)Extra companion x3Outer Tide>parentsJNPLOne>raceMajn>languagesTutored (One, Palatiner)Quietened (Drakonian)EvermanPalatiner Simplified DuergarSpriggan>locationNew New York>giftsLongevityLetter of the Damned (Khier)Bitter SicknessWereplague (x2)Ethereal BeautyThoroughbreedingCognitive SpeedMemory RetentionIntelligenceAttentivenessSpiritual FeelMartial InstinctCaster IntuitionNoble InclinationAll-GlimpseGod Hand x2Esurient Walk x2Seraphic Wings>mentorsThe KeterGewrgin Aureole>companionsInga YesodOmegaNilmatrixEmpty (x5)>encountersA bridge, a toll, a trollA Band of OgresA Score of OrcsA Hop, a Lean, a HobgoblinA Pack of GoblinsOn Sick Leave (Omega)A Daring Rescue (Inga Yesod)A Calm and A Storm (Keter)Shadow of God (Nilmatrix)>deathMe - BukiKeter - Zelo, ZhiveteOmega - Ot >youthMagical TrainingMartial TrainingPower TestingTraveling>questE Nomine
>>96513257if you were willing to swap one of your languages for Benewhisper, those point granting encounters would also grant some DP. Also, remember, outsiders have done plenty without overspending on gifts.
>>96513300Without gifts you're an Unnotable.
>>96513257You can't use perks on the book
>>96513399Let him True Love old emperor Aureole.
I want to True Love my fellow Tiders.
>>96508006>>96513257>couldn't think of a good 3 letter Majin nameI just hope One doesn't name me BobI'm a Majin Outsider, born from JNPL, with resurrected undead One as an adoptive parent, in New New York. That's enough to pretty much immediately trigger a civil war, but fate + One + Keter should help me delay.Khier is my letter of the damned, and it's the letter tied to Empyreality. This is kind of cool as an inversion of the anti-Christ Christ thing the CYOA has going on. My gifts aren't too interesting, but God Hand, Seraphic Wings, and to an extent All-Glimpse play into the fallen angel aesthetic. God hand is also one of the few ways I can get a blessing. Wish I could get Icon of Icons but it's not possible. I took thoroughbreeding because Death of the Author is inheritable.The idea of this build is to research the God-Script and Empyreality, or rather, anti-Empyreality. 0^0 patched the loophole she used, but is that the only one? Is that even the only loophole in general? Empyreality seems "better" than Undeath on the surface, but is it really? I don't think the Elder Gods would play favorites like that. What is the weakness of the form? How can it be combined with undeath, while being its polar opposite? Hopefully, my untimeskip knowledge will give me a head start on this sort of thing. Add Omega/Inga Yesod/Keter as companions, and maybe I can figure something out.Since my entire build is based on Empyreans/anti-Empyrean research, I have chosen to fight Nilmatrix. Both Gewrgin and Keter got backstabbed by her, why not follow in their footsteps? Maybe I can learn from their failure. If I can't beat Nilmatrix, I'm probably not beating 0^0. And with Inga Yesod, if I win, I'll be able to turn her to our side in undeath. Also interesting that Nilmatrix has an ability mirroring Demon Lords.Side note: what happens if One lands the final blow on Nilmatrix?
>>96513300>if you were willing to swap one of your languages for Benewhisper, those point granting encounters would also grant some DP.Can't swap Simplified Duergar, and Palatiner is already giving me +8DP. I tried swapping Spriggan for Benewhisper, but it's actually worse.That leaves Everman, which I could swap for a net gain of +4DP. However, I would no longer be able to take the Gewrgin book, and I would have to tutor Inga Yesod a language that I know (-1DP)So I could spend 3DP on a mentor. 5 including the below fix. But I don't know if any of them are really worth it.>>96513399Darn. I guess I'm reading it the old fashioned way, then. Maybe I can untimeskip Everman just so it goes faster.
>>96513450>However, I would no longer be able to take the Gewrgin bookLol, thanks for making me realize that by RAW nothing is stopping you from tutoring the book in another language.
Looking at my build, it's funny how I could easy give myself 5 more DP if I wasn't so attached to my cute companions and mentors I need to tutor.
>>96513486The default choice is the Everman iteration. I don't think Gewrgin only spoke it when he's a Northerner. Other languages that might be strange for the book to be in (and for him to have), Benewhisper or Duergar for example, would imply that a speaker of the tongue got their hands on a copy.
>>96513585Well it does mention he wrote it in Everman on purpose, probably with the hopes that whoever got it, they'd have a chance of deciphering it. If he wrote it in Old Northern or Elven-Northerner which he also definitely spoke, but it fell into some Muddish's hands, there's a good shot they'd never figure out the puzzle.
>>96507708>guns, airplanes, missiles, napalmAll useless according to Entropist lore, which is what inspired Isekai Dark Overlord in the first place.
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>>96511310I can see the arguments being made for One (behavior) and Katya (name). What's the reasoning behind Charlie and Erginter?
>>96513945Your Walk Blessed is: Discipline
>>96511310Vtorusha may have also been slavic, and Sarmat was obviously from New York. Erginter doesn't seem Mexican; her parent choices mean she probably chose her own name.
>>96513945>>96513960I just realised that Tok's thread is over a month old - 33 DAYS!We really should use the thread just to finally end it by reaching the limit to stop Tok bumping it daily.
>chose her own nameThat reminds me: builds aside, are you going to run with the name your new parents will give you, or are naming yourself independently ASAP.
>>96514026I already gave my build a culture-appropriate name, which I'm treating as the parent-given name.
>>96514026The former, unless One really picks Bob this time.
>>96514026The former. I'm not an ungrateful twat.
>>96514026Will be picking strange chuuni one to make Charlie hate me a little extra. Shame I can't be halfbreed while at it.
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>>96512514There's an easy workaround the Old Throne's immobility issue. Sight Beyond Sight + Overflowing Pupil, perfectly Autoantecedence one of them for maximum coverage. Bonus if you also have Kneeling Twilight so you don't get ass cramps from sitting on a stone chair for years.
>>96514026My parents are [JNPL] and One. The former is dead and the other has a notoriously shitty naming sense. So I don't have a choice in the matter.
>>96514026What if Keter names my "Fucking Bitch"?
>>96514927...Katya is not nearly as bad as you people make her out to be.
>>96514950Let's ask ??? about that.
>>96514971Her name should be really bad
name yourself Da'at or Da'ath for maximum lore accuracy
>>96514927>Hello, I am Keter's Bitch.
what if I want keter to molest me
>>96514997Play the long game and be her perfect kuudere.
>??? stopped using her name just because it was something fucking stupid like Abcde or Le-aKeter keeps getting worse and worse.
>>96515006It could be something decent like Ein Sof.She just uses her special powers to hide it really well.
>>96513429Now that I think about it, touch of embedded rust x3 could be cool for this build
Imagine wanting to pass on your genes, in this world where there are no genes, and even if there were they would just be the genes of this random body you happen to inhabit, not the genes of the Earthly body which shaped your mind
I personally do not care one bit for the fancy jew names. I'll just name myself "Onze" which is just eleven in French, and because its similar to One.
>>96514026What parent would give the shittiest name?
