Average Day in Lustria edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread: >>96498952 >TQ: What matchup of factions have you seen in tabletop but is the least likely in the lore? If you haven't seen any games like that IRL, what matchup would you find most difficult to imagine in-lore?
>>96525038>>96525105You can't be serious. Impactful? If you're trying to say effective, then sure, there's no arguing with that. Lowering stats, extra movement, magic missiles, sure, they get the job done, but are they impactful? No. Not a single spell in TOW is exciting to cast. Not a single spell in TOW will suddenly swing the game in your favor, nor will a lucky dispel swing the game in your opponent's favor either, with conveyance spells being the only real exception. I'd argue this is by design and, judging by the posts about magic in this very thread, was done because some people really disliked the magic phase in 8th (with good reason, but they listened to the complainers too much). As for variety, what variety? Every magic missile does the same thing. Every conveyance spell does (with TMP being a notable exception, and if you want to talk about spells ruining the game, we can talk about how awful TMP was before it got fixed) functionally the same thing. Every enchantment? Same thing, just buffs your guys' stats. Every hex? Same thing, just lowers your opponents' guys' stats. Magical vortexes have a little variety in their effect, but even then they're so fucking boring. Dangerous Terrain! Dangerous Terrain that blocks LoS! Dangerous Terrain that makes you take a break test if you go near it! Dangerous Terrain that moves and deals a small amount of hits if it touches anything! Just go read the spell lores from 6th.There's no point to this discussion if you won't do that. Fuck, I'll spoonfeed you the lore of Fire from 6th. You want to talk about variety? Look at the different spell effects! Look at how you resolved them! Look at how the spells made you play the game differently! Then look at TOW, where every spell is just an effect applied to a unit after you roll two dice against your opponent's two dice. If you want to bitch about 8th's magic, fine, but Fantasy isn't just 8th.
>>96525349I've stopped reading after the first sentence. You're shit at the game or have never played it. Either way you're not worth talking to.
>>96525355I wish people like you would go back to 40k instead of ruining a great game by having low expectations for it.
>>96525358And I wish people like you would stop posting about games they don't play or don't even have the mental capacity to play properly.
The spells speak for themselves.
>6 flavors of deal x dmgIndeed, they do speak for themselves.
>>96521797>Go check out your army's old books, too, so you can see how their rules evolved over time.God I miss Raider. With it, Beastmen would be close to op though given where they are already.So much flavor lost. I'd give up the chaos mark for it in a heartbeat
Turbonube here. Sell me on Goblins, Beastmen, Tomb Kings, Chaos warriors, Vampires, or Lizardmen. Also can I just take sigmar models and put square bases on them.
>>96525616>Also can I just take sigmar models and put square bases on them.For the most part. A few (for example the AoS skeletons) have issues with ranking up on the proper base sizes.
>>96525378You know there's way more ways to impact the game than>Does damageRight?
>>96525669Yes. That wasn't my point. Read the actual spells.
>>96525232If a person wanted to do a vampire coast army, what list would be most appropriate to represent it? Tomb kings perhaps? They're undead and have a good mix of shooting, monsters etc.
>>96525616>Also can I just take sigmar models and put square bases on themFor factions like Night Goblins, Ogres, and WoC absolutely. I've also seen some cool Wood Elf conversions like an all-dryad list that uses those faggot elf-ghost trees as the mandatory Glade Guard
>>96525349>lore of Fire from 6th>varietyYou mean the lore with two spells, both magic missiles, one dealing d6 S4 hits and the other 2d6 S4 hits?Just being cheeky anon, I fucking love the lore of fire
>>96525678Steed of shadow is Spectral Steed but worse. Steed of Shadows is actually in the game but it targets an entire unit.Creeping death is just a magic missileShades of death is Deathly Cabalpelt of Midnight is straight up uselessUnseen Lurker is Arcane UrgencyPit of Shades is just vortex that can slow. Almost every vortex is difficult/dangerous terrain in tow and therefore reduce movement and charges.None of those have as much impact as crystal column, travel mystical pathway, miasmic mirage, earthen rampart or phantasmagoria
>>96526006And that's not counting game shifting army lore spells like Itchy Nuisance, Viletide or Hellish Vigor
Everyone at my locals dropped Age of Sigmar this year and started getting into TOW. I've been out of the loop for a few years as i got more into skirmish games but what happened?
>>96526225As a fan both: AoS 4th is the killer combination of being both extremely bland and poorly balanced. It's just not fun, and a good deal of the things it's lacking (namely customization) are present in TOW.
>>96526225AoS primaris'd their land marines and squatted their beastmen, has no lore, and seems to generally not be very fun or complex due to giant centerpiece spam and tiny army sizes. Not to mention everything that isn't a 1:1 remake of a preexisting WFB model looks like dog ass, not many people out there with Inner Cities of Sigmar or steampunk faggot dorf armies.
>>96526006Steed of Shadows is not just Spectral Steed but worse and Unseen Lurker is not Arcane Urgency. Both of these spells allow you to make a charge, which is something you can't do with conveyance spells in TOW because you cast them during the remaining moves sub-phase. You should also be comparing it to Infernal Gateway. Pelt of Midnight is situational, but you're smoking crack if you think making a unit significantly harder to hit during the shooting phase is useless. Pit of Shades isn't a vortex, it works like a magic missile spell, it has an infinite range, and moving at half speed is a lot more impactful than you make it out to be.>crystal columnFair, that spell is actually really cool. Shame casting it is so mind-numbingly boring.>TMPAs was mentioned previously, a notable, but welcome, exception, but if you want to bitch about broken spells you don't get to say nice things about TMP. I've experienced firsthand what old TMP could do. Not fun.>miasmic mirageGood spell, very powerful. Worthy of being the 6th spell of its lore. Real shame you cast it in exactly the same way you'd cast any other spell, making it feel like any other hex.>earthen rampartsIs it strong? Sure, especially if you're playing at a tournament. Is it impactful? What even is your definition of impactful? Game-winning? Memorable? >phantasmagoriaSure, it's good. Real shame the rest of the lore sucks so hard that nobody ever picks it. Also, it's extremely gay that illusion and elementalism have four out of your five super impactful spells. Not all armies have access to these lores. But, I'll concede, not all spells in TOW are bland and boring in and of themselves. Just most of them, and also all of them, because casting these spells doesn't feel impactful. In summary, TOW magic sucks and I don't like it! 2d6+mod, bleh. Disgusting! And you cherrypicked spells and I think that's gay too, which makes you gay.
>>96526309>AoS primaris'd their land marineswas this not overwhelmingly seen as a positive change
>>96526225>Everyone at my locals dropped Age of Sigmar this year and started getting into TOW.Really? I wonder why they'd transition to tow, They're completely different games. I'd imagine people who are done with AOS or 40k would either go into magic or something else entirely.
>>96526374>People who play a fantasy wargame are into fantasy wargamesThe Warhammer settings are the main draw of new players.
>>96526374Lots of people have armies you can just play in tow with trays. In my club a guy with a vampire army switched to tow and the others are just playing opr (they were playing opr before 4.0)
>>96526394>The Warhammer settings are the main draw of new players.I was pretty sure it was the ease of accessibility, although I still dont see how that answers my question
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Update on the tmepole: after three roof attemps in 3 hours, I've managed to get something holding and not horribly unaligned.I'll add a secondary 'under roof' to cover the lower parts and solidify the edges, since it'll be a removable roof, so 1-2 characters can just hold the line/die gloriously inside.
>>96526412>although I still dont see how that answers my questionThat's not the part of my post that was meant to answer the question. People who play a fantasy wargame are into fantasy wargames, this shouldn't be a shock.I really don't know why the logical response to not liking say Bolt Action would be to start play MTG and not to find a different WWII wargame.
>>96526374>be a beastman playeraos killed them>be a ogre playeraos replacing the line with different aesthetic>be a cities player>aos replaced the line with different aestheticIf you like /yourdudes/ you go where they are still a thing.
>>96526374TOW is just AoS but with rank and flank tactics and working magic and artillery that doesn't just function like nu-40k, where every spell is either a XD6 shooting attack or debuff. People are tired of 10th ed 40gay and 4th ed AoSissy and their shrimplified no-customization anti-/yourdoods/ horseshit. Also helps that half the AoS range people actually buy (WoC, Night Goblins, Ogres, AoS tranpires, Dark Elves) are more or less usable in TOW with a simple adapter tray.
>>96526490>>be a ogre player>aos replacing the line with different aestheticno, it isn't
BULL time
>>96526357What if you were one of the people who liked the landmarines and then had your army changed for outsiders(who still won't play landmarines)
Rebased artillery crews
>>96526490I don't really see what updating ranges has to do with /yourdudes/Besides, ogres look to be staying relatively samey? The sneak peek they showed just has a normal gutplate, nothing crazy.
Also WIP skaven
>>96527099is that a bucket of water on top of the barrel of gunpowder?
>>96527115It's an antique porta-potty
>>96525362>>96525355Hes right, the current magic is boring even if it is effective.In 10 years time are you going to remember that game where you cast crystal column, it was tactically important and you won the game after? NoWill you remember the game where you lucked out and managed to overcast purple sun and blew up his lord and his entire unit? Or when you fail and your wizard and everyone around him explodes? Yes
>Nehekharan Royal Host 2k>Tomb king on chariot lvl 1>Tomb king on chariot lvl 1>Mortuary priest lvl 2>Mortuary priest lvl 2>Skeleton infantry cohort x16 lancers x32 archers>Skeleton infantry cohort x16 lancers x32 archers>Skeleton chariot x1>Tomb guard chariots x3>Tomb guard chariots x3>3 ushabti>Screaming skull catapult>Screaming skull catapultWhat do you think
One Tomb Kang on Bone Dragon would be more fun and give you the beatstick monster you need, or maybe one Tomb Kang on chariot and a Bone Giant or Necrosphinx if you can squeeze in the points. Get some horse archers in there too, replace a catapult with some. Otherwise kino sovl fvnmaxxed and not bad.
>>96527160dragons are gay tho
>>96527186you can use the profile while converting a different thing to count as that.
>>96525616>Also can I just take sigmar models and put square bases on them.Yes but might have issues with fitting them or ranking them up.>As a fan both: AoS 4th is the killer combination of being both extremely bland and poorly balanced. It's just not fun, and a good deal of the things it's lacking (namely customization) are present in TOW.That is the lifecycle of every game. Tourneyfags force the "sportification" of the game killing all flavor and creativity in pursuit of "balance".You know it's the beginning of the end when you see fat nerds wearing technical sport gear while playing tabletop games.
Raaroo!
>>96527225Huh, the preyton is a lot smaller than I thought it was.
>>96527231Yeah it’s pretty small compared to other monsters, it still has the large target special rule though
... my memories have just been sold.
>>96527267By an angel in a centerfold?
>>96526309Weird thing about Age of Smegmar is that the humans and dwarfs and elves are absolutely total shit But they do have some nice monsters and gribbly things like the undead or wolf riders Oh and Oruks, which are basically just 40k compatible Orcs
>>96527225I just built mine too. Did you have some large gaps as well or am I just retarded?
>>96527362I have no idea why they made those weird, fucked up, gangly, sickly Not!LOTR Orc guys instead of making a cool new hobgoblin range to fill the same niche, or why they fucked up the aesthetic of their regular Orcs so bad. Oh well. And yeah, I hate everything to come out of AoS other than the 1:1 remakes like their Night Goblins, but the elves and dorfs are by far the most offensively shit, with Eltharion in the hollow suit of armor and Grombrindal being the only exceptions. They even managed to fuck up Gotrek somehow.
>>96527451all the modern GW stuff looks like its made of pipe cleaners
>>96527469The new Eldar range makes my cock throb and the AoS WoC and Night Goblins are god tier, everything else lately I agree. I also hate the Cathay range, too many heavily armored elites and not enough huddled poorfags with pointy sticks and fire lances.
>>96527451>they made those weird, fucked up, gangly, sickly Not!LOTR Orc guysI actually like those models, but they sure as fuck arent orcs.I was thinking of getting some second hand and using them as a base for nurgle-flavoured mutants of some kind
Holy fuck I really want a dragon gfFuck I might write fanfic for the first time in like six to eight years.
>>96526773>He doesn't know
>>9652757912 feet tall bro.
>>96527644I know, they're updating the line, not changing the aesthetic or theme.
>>96526374>>96526225My local scene does both, but TOW is slowly gaining frequency. I enjoy both, but am more about TOW desu. Personally, I like it primarily because it's more "relatable" to me. I'm not a huge lore guy, and have yet to read a single GW book. But with 40K and AoS, when every faction has essentially infinite land and resources, it's hard for me to care that town/planet 15437 got burned to the ground.In alternate fantasy earth, a 2000 point game is probably how big a renaissance era battle would look like. If my guys fail to repel the invaders, their entire city, of which there is a limited number, is probably fucked. Conversely, sacking my opponent's city would actually matter in terms of prosperity. My guys running off the battlefield makes them feel realer to me than simple game pieces. In terms of gameplay, I like that there are fewer, but larger, decisions, and fuckups are punished severely. It makes me feel like I'm actually commanding a battle than playing a board game.Also I like that I can carry 2000 points in a reasonably sized backpack
>>96527451fuck you ironjaws look great
>>96527703>Black Orcs but with less interesting or believable armor>too stupid to wear helmetsI hate them
>>96527719"I'm a big angry Oruk in the Wrong Trousers"
>>96527719>>too stupid to wear helmets?
>>96527719>believable armor >with GREENSKINS What is your major malfunction
>>96527660They are removing all the mongolion imagery and making them cavemen bro. Can't be orientalist think of are kids.
>>96527784>Can't be orientalist think of are kids.more like they don't want to offend China
>>96527791Thats why they started painting ogres as white men a few years back according to Peachy.
>>96527774Black Orc armor>crudely smashed together plates made by Orc and Goblin retards, extremely crude but effective, custom made, covered in personalized symbols and trophies, feels plausible and like they could believably cobble it together, offers complete coverage and great protection of vitalsIrunjawr(tm) armor>Massive complete plates and smoother look in some places, yet MORE crude and fucked up and smashed in other places, pointless mail hanging off doing nothing, no trophies, no customization, looks identical as if mass-produced, somehow offers less protection despite implication of better metalworkingOverall weird inconsistent and thoughtless design philosophy leading to a shit design. Are they more advanced than Black Orcs or are they less advanced? Make up your mind CAD Intern-kun.
>>96526490I'm in that boat. Replacing CoS with what they look like now, it made me drop the whole game.
>>96527784>all the mongolion imagery so just the moustache?>and making them cavemenno, they aren't
>>96527761Is that a character or an entire helmeted unit? All the images I've seen of them show them with no helmets.
>>96527853a unit
>>96527842according to the leaker that leaked all the new units they have lost all asian imagery as thats now going TOW exclusive and AoS Ogors are now closer to Orruks with beaten metal scrap armor and hunter gatherer cavemen imagery instead.
Slowly building an OW scene and realized most new players don't enjoy having half their army shot off the board before they reach me. Even less when I Rune of Concussive Force their dragon for 1-3 turns while I wipe out other stuff. Tried adjusting for casual games without getting completely bodied. Open to suggestionsBurlok Damminson [85 pts]- Furnace hammer- Rivet gun- Heavy armour- GeneralThane [197 pts]- Hand weapon- Full plate armour- Shield- Shieldbearers- Master Rune of Skalf Blackhammer- 2x Rune of StoneThane [138 pts]- Hand weapon- Crossbow- Full plate armour- Shield- On foot- Master Rune of Bursting Flame- Rune of Accuracy- Rune of Rapid FireRunesmith [70 pts]- Hand weapon- Full plate armour- ShieldRunesmith [70 pts]- Hand weapon- Full plate armour- ShieldEngineer [192 pts]- Hand weapon- Heavy armour- Great weapon- Handgun- Battle Standard Bearer [Master Rune of Grungni + Rune of Battle]Engineer Sapper [123 pts]- Hand weapon- Heavy armour- Handgun- Master Rune of Gromril19 Thunderers [238 pts]- Hand weapons- Handguns- Heavy armour- Shields- Expeditionary Marksmen- Veteran (champion) [Handgun]- Standard bearer18 Rangers [245 pts]- Hand weapons- Crossbows- Throwing axes- Heavy armour- Shields- Ol' Deadeye (champion) [Brace of pistols]Dwarf Cart [65 pts]- Bugman's Cart1 Scout Gyrocopters [60 pts]- Hand weapons- Clatterguns- Heavy armour1 Scout Gyrocopters [60 pts]- Hand weapons- Clatterguns- Heavy armour21 Miners [357 pts]- Hand weapons- Great weapons- Heavy armour- Blasting Charges- Prospector (champion) [Steam drill]- Standard bearer [Rune of Battle]- MusicianCannon [100 pts]
>>96527859I think what bugs me most, other than the weird "partly smooth and extremely well-made and partly even shittier than Blorcs" look, is the fact they they clearly understand how mail works, and yet don't fucking wear it under their plate, it's just dangling there uselessly as a decoration. I don't mind the spears or shields as much, I just think the armor itself looks inconsistent and shit. Would use one of the bevored heads for Blorc kitbash material for a unit champion or musician, otherwise it's shit.
>>96527703They can work okay as black orcs with some heavy kitbashesThis guy managed ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r9SCgr6MMo
>>96527883Just compare the arms to the legs and you'll see what I mean. Leg armor is extremely well articulated and carefully formed, the arms are large, perfectly smooth plates but with shit coverage compared to the greaves, and then their weird pauldrons look like a cauldron split in half. The fuck?
>>96527872The leaker said nothing of the sort, he only said they're losing leadbelchers, likely replaced by hunters."All the asian imagery" is just some moustaches here and there.
>>96527406I had a few small gaps, but nothing major. It helped a little that I used a fine hobby knife to whittle down the leftover connection points. Took a bit of time but it was worth it.
>>96527648First of all, god I wish: I love tall women but being six foot three I rarely, if ever see a woman who I have to look up at.Second of all, that's a low angle perspective. Please exercise your object permeance ability, anon-kun.
>>96526974>What if you were one of the people who liked the landmarinesThen you got exactly what you deserved for being a SM fan, but somehow even gayer.
Which edition of WHFB was the best for narrative battles?
>>96527883the old black orc kit (which were ardboys before the refresh) also has the mail dangling between their legs to be fair
>>96528036it's not the ruleset that does the narrative, it's the players
>>96528036Mordheim>>96528047But also This.
>>96528036People don’t do narrative gamesThey don’t know howThe people that think they do, don’t.
>>965280364/5e
>>96528086Okay nevermind this anon knows
>>96528047>>96528063>>96528063Ok but there are games that explicitly help the player, and those against which you have to struggle, to achieve a narrative game. Looking for a battle game, rather than Mordheim.
>>96528047Agreed, even if it's a casual game you can still come up with fun stories on how or why the armies battle and to imagine how certain events were portrayed beyond the rolling of dice.Here are some I've written for some games I played with friends.
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>>96528040>mail dangling between their legsThat's a mail skirt. That's functional. These faggots have it hanging off of their elbows for no reason
>>96527979Shes on a 60mm base bro. Shes one big bitch.
>>96528167Nah, chinksects are just that small. She's 5'1 canonically.
>>96528167>Shugengan are almost as tall as herSo Shugengan are like 9 feet tall?
im painting orcs soon and im thinking of a dark yellow and red color scheme for their armor and banners, does anyone have some examples of alternate colors schemes? seems like every orc i see is black armor/leather and red.
>>96528261>seems like every orc i see is black armor/leather and redBecause those colors have better contrast with green. Go for a rusty orange instead of piss yellow
>>96526374As someone who's migrating over to TOW, like 80% of the appeal is having customization options. I like having weapon choices and fun little magic items I can give to dudes and model on.
>>96525698That or orcs and goblins since there's a similar mix of troops in there
>>96528036That depends on what you want your narrative to be>beastmen jump from the woods, there objective is to burn down a windmill before advancing on the town and and raping the burgermeister to death>a small contigent of empire troops must save the burgermeisters anus from the BBC (big beastman cock)6th>A mighty artifact of doom has been discovered, vast armies led by immensly powerful sorcerers converge and do battle to try and take control of it8th (+ storm of magic maybe)
>>96528222They're DBZ characters. So no they're probably über wo/manlets.
>>96527099Where's the guy with the binoculars from? Specifically where's the binocular holding arm from?it's the first time I see it and now I NEED it for a conversion I'm working on for a dwarf quarreler.Alternatively, where else could I find hands holding binoculars?||Also your models look great!||
>The sorcerers who rule the Chaos Dwarfs trust the Bull Centaur for although they are intelligent and ferocious and some are mighty warriors, none of their kind are magic users.Realistically, would anyone give me shit if I ignored this lore bit and made a big sorcerous bull centaur to count as a daemonsmith on lammasu? It would be a much easier conversion than teaching myself how to sculpt that big ass head.
>>96525232>what matchup would you find most difficult to imagine in-lore?Lizardmen vs Kislev. I just can't imagine the reason why both would enter into conflict, mainly due to their geographic positions.
>>96529777nah, you're good, exceptions can exist just fine, you could also try to rationalise the thing during the conversion, maybe it's got an ugly suture seam at the waist because it's not a mutant but some freakish experiment, maybe it's holding an unholy glowing rock in his hand because he only gets his magical powers by consuming petrified sorcerers, maybe he was a prophesied birth and somewhere there's a dude with a tablet showing the prophecy, with the taurus having grown and posed as a very arrogant and prideful being
>>96529912>A Slaan wakes up from his nap and decrees that they need to raze a Kislev town to complete the Great Plan. With a wave of his hand he opens up a portal from Lustria to Kislev as the Lizardmen warriors pour out of and in response the people of Kislev muster a defenseThere, it's not hard, we can also do the other way around.>A kislev noble has pulled some strings to go on a great adventure with a personal force down to Lustria to search for treasure and glory. As they make landfall and construct a basic settlement they are beset by the lizardmen for intruding on their land.You just have to be creative.
just a quick question. does this pic look like it was touched up by AI?
>>96529723It's the engineer from the Helblaster / Helstorm box.https://www.warhammer.com/en-EU/shop/empire-of-man-helblaster-volley-gun-and-helstorm-rocket-battery-2025?srsltid=AfmBOoopPsBBKb4AhDaAgYdhY4dlw3D-2_nyydZeBCNxqqXK4U4A3G_u
>>96529951It can happen, it's just far-fetched. Why is Kislev part of the Great Plan? They're actively some of the best warriors against Chaos. How many Kislev nobles want to adventure in Lustria? Seems like such a small number that it's likely seldom.
