Leman Russ edition>What this thread is for:/tg/ gets shit done again and is creating a “Battle Bible” (Ala 2nd edition) for 4th edition Warhammer 40k.>What this thread isn’t for:Alternative ideas for what 4th edition could include, such as alternating activations, new unit ports, etc. This is a Stage 4 process and so there's plenty of time for that later on.Don't engage edition warriors, trolls and rule revisionists. We're trying to keep it tight; mannered and objective focused.BATTLE PLAN:Stage 1:Finish revising and formatting the SRD.Stage 2:Compile all GW official erratas into the SRD.Stage 3: Condense all the codices into up to date SRD. - pendingStage 4: Make a Hobby Enthusiast supplement for the SRD.Stage 4: Make an Optional Rules supplement for the SRD.HOW TO HELP:> Help to update the SRD:1. Check the latest 4th Ed. SRD here:v0.98A: drive. google .com/file/d/1KwK1cKvi6J-_38eTp5YRXbzWJvYtmJhA (remove spaces)Changelog: drive.google.com/file/d/1yLBkFdcigJMjE7s3i8nzuanSt11uTbh52.Look for any typo, errors, missing rules or dense writing style.Make sure your recommendation wasn't already posted here:drive. google. com/file/d/1xP-gIraW1DThssvvtE58YeTd3yDxwyzp/ (remove any space)Leave your recommendation on the SRD pdf directly by leaving a comment in google drive- Servo-Gifted anons:> Get on the Github: github. com/pepsi41999/4ebattlebible.git- Holo-Gifted anons:> Get in touch with Inkwash anon >>95934508 (Dead)RESSOURCES:Original 4th Ed. Rulebook:mega. nz/folder/1DMxURza#iLn0OuQ8AVGl4XJvU8J4IgFAQs & Erratas :mega. nz/folder/p95WHYiY#2TZFnrI1vbRtjRSQLWNuYg3rd/4th era trove:mega. nz/folder/p95WHYiY#2TZFnrI1vbRtjRSQLWNuYg/folder/pxhlwZZS4th edition compilation by anon:mega. nz/folder/PEcnVC5Y#BGZlNvCNOoC2_ZFdw_5KoAPrevious thread:>>96343477
>Reposting:This is the bare bones skeleton of what is planned for in the future.As I couldn't seem to get the resources working.https://gofile.io/d/wmXou8Feel free to point out to me what I've gotten wrong, what can be improved, etc.Older codexes and rulebooks seemed to have DIY instructions in them so this whole wash recipe is meant to be in the spirit of those older books.Here's the tutorial that gave the principles for the recipe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkMnP6p08I
>>96535455>inkwash anon marked as deadSorry for whatever I was doing that made it seem like I had died.
>>96535455>>96535474Gonna try and use GIMP to make the pages for the ink wash stuff. I just had a thought about that and I might be able to get it to work even if it is a crude workaround.
As someone who has shilled L.Bursley's dakkadakka wash recipe page on /tg/ for years, it's nice to see people enjoying it and creating their own recipes.
>>96538140>As someone who has shilled L.Bursley's dakkadakka wash recipe page on /tg/ for years, it's nice to see people enjoying it and creating their own recipes.how much experience do you have with these homemade washes? Any advice if someone wants them to stain flat surfaces less and recesses and around raised areas more?
>>96537540Don’t bother. The project seems to be dead or on a state of slowness right now. Do it when there is activity besides bumps like this.
what chapter of chaos space marine is the worst to get captured by?how fucked you would be?
>>96539901figuratively: iron warriorsliterally: emperor's children
>>96539628Almost everything is done. We are in the what the fuck do we do now phase
>>96540101Oh shit then my bad.Maybe fix inkwashanon’s shitty pdf.
>>96540157If anything thanks to this I'm having more 4th editions games than before.Trying to push it on my local store, but the guys are having a meltdown about templates and terrain not being symmetrical.Think I'll try the combat patrol format.
Alright, it's been a while since i was on, any updates on the core?>>96518361thank you for finishing daemonhunters where i couldn't, i've added it to the archive. It appears witchunters is the last one and all the codex data is ready to go for the next step. >>96540211>but the guys are having a meltdown about templates and terrain not being symmetricalhow far this hobby has sunk. esports have rot the brains of the masses.
Someone had asked that i put this in the next thread as a to-do list: Now that we're almost done with getting all the codices down for editing, and the core is nearly finished, if someone wanted to work on getting all the expansion rules together so we can have them ready for editing, that would be helpful for the future of the project.This would include:>the Original combat patrol and Kill Team from the main rules,>Special missions, including battle missions, Breakthrough missions, raid missions, hidden setup, (jungle fighting from the catachan book may have been replaced by this, but it would be worth looking to see if some of that should also be included)>Campaigns, both the structure from the main book and the other options from expansions>Cities of death, and whatever other game modes we can get.>Apocalypse, both game modes and assorted unit rules for bigger models. thankfully the structure of armies at the time was "just bring whatever" so it's more freeform, but those special unit rules will absolutely be awesome to have in one placeThis is a whole new leg of the process, so we can take our time doing it, but i figure since there was such an overwhelming response to getting all the codexes done, it would be great to get the next leg going with this too.
>>96540211>but the guys are having a meltdown about templates and terrain not being symmetrical.BEHEAD COMPETITIVE PLAYERS
What are the definitive codexes for each faction in 4e? I know the 3.5 CSM dex is way better than the 4e dex, and I think I heard that the 4e Tau dex was the last good one before Cruddace stepped in and started stripping all the flavour out of all future dexes? What do you recommend? I want to get dexes for all my friends and surprise them with everything we need to play 4e for christmas. We've been checking out 3rd and it's a blast, so I want to try out "God's perfect 4th edition".
>>96541695>What are the definitive codexes for each faction in 4e?Going with these>>96344809
>>96541695i actually had to update the list to show what was completed, so this is a good segue. top are the 3rd ed printings, the bottom are the 4th ed printings. for 3rd we went from 3.5 era on, and eldar and on from 4th were considered too much for the meta so that was our cutoff. everything in green is what you'll want (witch hunters is yellow just because it's still pending)
>>96541810>Eldar cut offThat's a shame, I'm starting an army because of what I got in Combat Patrol Magazine, but I was bummed to see that in 3e the only options for unnamed HQs were the farseer or avatar of khaine.
My friend is trying to play thousand sons with the 3.5 codex. But it looks like those are kind of bad. Could you share lists and tips to play them using 3.5 or 4th or with any extra forge world or White dwarft extra profiles available at that time?
>>96541859>>96541862we plan on backporting stuff for a fan edition later, but this is just to distill the specific 3.5 era in a single book. there's nothing stopping you from using the later codex in your own games, just know it'll have some broken bits and try to avoid them.
>>96540211>>96540957I've been looking for the Adepticon comp rules for years now. I e-mailed them a while back to see if they had copies, but they're missing the ones from 3rd., 4th., and 5th. I've been asking around my local area to see if anyone has an old tournament flier that I can type up.4th. had actually good competitive rules, especially if both armies adhered to each composition requirement. They helped balance between 3rd. Edition codices and late 4th. You're not seeing stuff like Space Marined lasplas + assault cannon spam, Eldar flying circus, or the dreaded Iron Warrior 3x units of Oblitetators backed by 4x heavy support choices.
>>96541859If it makes you feel any better, the autarch in 4e sucked dongus and you took a farseer every time. The 4th ed book is a better book though I dont know why we sided on 3rd for eldar, whoever made the call is clearly a star cannon enjoyer.
>>96540949I'll be working on the main rulebook portions of the expansion rules.>>96535222Also, we need to add the link to the complete megas to the OP.https://mega.nz/folder/5SxSAbTK#xTn9hz0PGp1_kMYT0SZXuA>>96541810Are you the Mega's owner? if so, could you please add these summaries of Feral Orks, Genestealer Cults and Movie marines?https://gofile .io/d/rZQaJN
NRAnon here, something really weird started happening with my programs since yesterday>Load any catalog in the editor, stuck in an infinite loading loop>Load any lists in the builder, freezeI might be fucked bros
>>96546255Reinstalled the editor and now it freezes too when I try loading anything. What did they do?
>>96546271>Load IG 2003, freeze>Load anything else, loading screen>Forgot to ever back anything upIt's over
>>96546278Explain for those who at best use excel macros.>no backupAnon why are you like this, even I have backups of the backups
Bumo
>>96546228>Are you the Mega's owner? if so, could you please add these summaries of Feral Orks, Genestealer Cults and Movie marines?thanks for bringing that to my attention, i downloaded them but had not uploaded them yet. usually i'm pretty fast about that.
>>96540211>Introduced a friend of mine who's only played 10th to 4th last weel>"Eh, I dunno, anon, I'm fine with what I have, but sure, let's give it a shot...">One game later>"Dude! Tanks have armour values instead of health bars? I can flank them now like I do in War Thunder! Awesome! I wanna play more!"Bit of an unexpected side, but his heart is in the right place. Besides, he's not really wrong.
>>96546278>>96546255It is inevitable that we would have hit a bump in the road. Try not to let it stop you. The burden of recovery is on you.I believe in you, anon.>>96550948>>96540211What's a good source for 4th edition codexes? I'd love to download some scans.
>>96543750It's about the shift in design in the middle of 4th that was clearly in preparation for 5th(at least, their initial concept of 5th, their codex design shifted AGAIN right as they launched 5th edition), Eldar just happen to fall after it.
>>96551553I know what youre talking about, but I cannot see how this pertains to the eldar book except the fact that it has the 5th ed style fluff/special rule pages separate from the list building pages. From a design standpoint of the actual book contents, it shares very little of the key differences between 4th and 5th ed books which mostly pertain to>subfaction rules being locked to a special characters>loads of unique special rules and wargear>force org manipulationThe biggest sin of the 4th ed eldar book is that the wargear chapter is just so pale and thin because of how they chose to format the book, but there isnt really anything actually missing from the book, the eldar wargear selection in 3rd ed is pitifully small compared to say space marines.
>>96551340https://gofile.io/d/Wrbf7J
Alright imma repost this from the tail end of last thread cause it looks like no one saw it. I prototyped out a codex format using the same bigrulebook.cls that I used to make rulebook (albeit using my homebrew content so try not to get hung up on that). If people like it I can help people start marking up the transcribed plaintext codices that other anons are working on. Where are those btw? I dont see a link with all the resources. Feedback on page and layout would be nice. https://gofile.io/d/BQqtgt
>>96552032I really like the look of wargear section, anon. It's very digestible. I am anticipating playing with a number of very new players soon and having something like this handy would be a real improvement on the way the codexes tend to present that info.
>>96552032>Where are those btw? I dont see a link with all the resources.Here. >>96546228For some reason nobody actually thought about adding it to the OP.>>96550714I fixed a few oversights in the Feral Orks list when I re-uploaded it yesterday.
>>96551922It was literally the edition of the invincible falcon.
>>96551922You have to remember anon that there were *two* design philosophies for 5th. The one we saw in the latter half of 4th that was exemplified by CSM but affected all of the latter 4th books to some extent, and the one they eventually pivoted to when the 5th core rules actually came out which is the one you mention. The post-5th one was more egregious, but the shift in the latter-4th books is still noticeable. Also as anon mentioned, 4th Eldar really emphasised the skimmer issues in 4th in a way the Tau just didn't due to Eldar invincible skimmers having fucking sick weapons and shitting Aspect Warriors in your face instead of Fire Warriors.
>>96552032I like it. Clean, clear, just a little hint of GW's own book design language of the period.
>>96552032If you're doing Orks can you add the clan rules from WD290?
>>96535455>>96535474>>96537540>>96539628>>96540157I'll try and get some fixing done tomorrow if work permits me to have some free time tomorrow.
>>96555572Here anon.https://gofile.io/d/VcQlXC
>>96552032just needs grammatical errors fixed.
>>96559638I was not expecting this to happen.Thank you anon.
>>96560681You’re welcome, It literally took me less than 20 minutes. I included the source files too so if you want I can teach you how to use latex so you can compile any edits you might want to make.Related, can any photoshop wizards extract the picture frame borders from the 4th ed rule book?
>>96535222Is there anything a drawfag like me can do to help out?
>>96561738I don't know how the PDF can be improved. Like you've done it. Thank you.
>>96563045redraw the art from 4th with your own spin. Better yet draw up the imperial guard as they look in 4th.
>>96563045Genuinely? Pick cool art from 4th edition and do your own rendition. There is a lot to choose from, and the ability to put cool, original fanart in the 4th Edition Battle Bible would be a major draw.You would have to consider that this is a "4chan project" but I don't think anyone would object to you wanting to promote yourself, especially since you're doing volunteer work (like every other contributor). Perhaps, if you would prefer lighter work, doing simple shapes and boxes to illustrate some parts of the rules you think can maybe be hard to understand without a visual aid. Any contribution would be appreciated.
>>96563045Fuark that's good. What brush is this?
>>96535222What's the plans for POD? I'm planning on putting this bad boy on Lulu once it's done. Also, how good are tyranids & orks in 4th?
>>96564689Are there any general themes that you think define 4th edition art? Any factions that would be good to pick? It would be fun to do a bit of art for this fan project, I think! I'd love to do something with Imperium vs a minor xenos race, like the Slaugth.>>96564742Just the "dry brushing" preset from Krita. The chaos marines here are my own homebrew warband of Slaanesh fuck-freaks. I have this other piece of art I made for them, a chaos spawn, The Greedbeast.
>>96552032Can we have OPR style condensed datasheets for codexes? Makes it easier to have at the table for quick reference.
>>96564760That sounds like a good idea, and you seem to know a bit about it. If you put together the content, it can get added. Its just anonymous volunteer contributions after all, even if the main organizer is a little MIA right now things are still trickling in.
>>96564755Different anon, but 4th editions art is defined by bleak, dark shaded gritty tones. 40k is a setting where the galaxy is perpetually 5 minutes to midnight, the scars of war are everywhere on everyone. The only growth is in extragalactic predators beyond comprehension, eldritch manifestations of nightmare and emotion given form, & the barbaric parody of a race bred as a bioweapon of war. It's good stuff>TLDR look through 3rd and 4th edition codexes and study the art, do some research on colours, tone and composition. Draw from it and be inspired.
>>96564777No guarantees as I'm not good on formatting, but I might be able to whip up a draft template later.
>>96564755Just going through the original rulebook, here are some that stand out to me.>The Realm of Terra (pg 7-8)>Catechism of the Autoculus of Mars>The Adeptus Astartes (as depicted on pages 19-20)>The Ultramarines at the Breach of Corinth>The Last Stand of Commander Drakken (this one is very popular, even GW has done it a couple times over the years)>Eldar on a Jetbike>A Chaos Rhino Crushing a Guardsman>Chaplain Mathis Leads the Scourging of the Defiled Basilica of Saint DolanMaybe one or several of these would inspire you. As for themes, the general vibe seems to be driven by whatever the fuck John Blanche was doing.
>>96564760I have not discounted it but unless we rework the backend into a database its a huge task of basically retyping everything and making sure you didnt make an error. At its heart that is how things like newrecruit i.e. battlescribe work.All the data is entered into a huge database, and then it is pulled back out where needed. Ive tossed the idea around but I dont have anything working as of yet, and stuff I have looked at for battlescribe makes me want to die. And let me be clear, I only know enough to be dangerous on this subject. If you dont know what you are doing you end up like this guy>>96546255.You cannot write a database like you write a book, you need to design a database, then design a tool for putting data into the database, then design a tool for pulling stuff out of the database. Then you can use the stuff you pulled out and build a pdf from it with latex. Right now I only have this last step done. For example, this is what you type to get the burnaboys entry. Now I know at first glance this might make your eyes glaze over, but I urge you to take 60 seconds to look at the patterns. Its just plain text grouped into logical groups. The worse part is probably the list syntax which is rather verbose.
post 4th ed art from the period and from the codexes. We need as much visual references as possible if drawfags are volunteering.
>Using the 3.5 Chaos codexChad move. I hope this project works out for you, because I want to use it.
>Want to make a unit of Mega Big Mek>Mega Armour is exclusive to the Boss and NobsDamnaton!
>>96567365There's a website I use called Avianon, the guy who runs it made a hero, unit, and creature builder for 6th edition WFB, letting you build wholly custom new hero/units/creatures. Does 40k have something similar for 4th or 3rd edition 40k? I know it's got that vehicle builder and the make a creature thing from the annuals, but has a fan made a unit/hero creator?
Where exactly are we on the battleplan at the moment?>>96563045>>96564755Good shit anon. Lovely stuff.
>>96567464I mean, homebrewing some kind of Mega Mek unit isn't really difficult, it just bothers me not having it vanilla.
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The srd is wrong regarding independent characters and combat. They can be hit and can hit models in ENGAGEMENT RANGE of the character, not just base to base. Someone should correct that.
>>96567464Seconding. Any idea how GW calculated how many points infantry should cost per-model?
What have we accomplished so far in this thread? I know that the hobby enthusiast supplement is finished. I think.
How do we feel about the minor psychic powers rules from 3rd? It might be fun to have as an option.
>>96577115Chapter Approved is on the list and the Minor Powers are in one of the CA books, so I'd say they're in.
>>96577820>>96577115I would say no. That was the CA that included the experimental assault rules, which were then rolled into 4th ed, and so to me it seems that decided not to keep the minor powers stuff. They are not referenced in any of the fourth ed codices or the 4th ed rulebook (unless I am mistaken). They were only ever listed as optional trial rules; I would put them firmly in the camp of step 4 optional supplements.
>>96577897Yeah I definitely agree with that, I do think there is value in having them in the format in that capacity though. The later codexes in use here mostly supplant a lot of the need for them, but they would be fun to incorporate into a friendly game.
>>96574347>Seconding. Any idea how GW calculated how many points infantry should cost per-model?I dont think there is any real math behind it. If anything you might be able to get an idea for how things should 'fee' based on how hard it is to kill a space marine or how easy it is for a space marine to kill it.
>>96574347If I can find the article that serves as evidence, I'll post it later, but there is no calculation. They said an asshole with a lasgun and a 5+ sounds like 5 points, and then it's all intuition and testing from there. That there is or could be any formulaic balance to any of this is a mass delusion.
>>96574347Points calculators are nearly an impossible task. There are just too many factors to take into account. Everything from stats to squad members to intended optimal target to which army it belongs to.
Are Forge World models going to be included in this? Actually, in general, which codices/units are going to be in it? Maybe I'm just stupid, but I can't seem to get a clear idea just from the thread. I want to make an Ork army adapted for this project, so any guidance would be helpful.
>>96577897Strongly disagree. By that standard ALL supplementary material prior to the 4th rulebook should be discarded. For a start if we're including Journal army lists then I don't see any issue including anything published in CA, but more than that what's the actual point of this project? It seems to me it's to make playing 4th edition the way people actually used to play it at its peak easy and simple, and if some slobbering buffoon had rolled up to any group I ever played with in those days and tried pulling>Ahem *pushes up glasses* Ummm ACKSHULEE those rules were published in a supplemental book for the previous edition and so should be discarded noiglefoiglethey would have been given a stiff lashing with whippy sticks, beaten about the head with a Dreadsock, and thrown the fuck out.What else would you have us discard, the Kroot list? Gaunt's Ghosts? Deathwatch Kill Teams? All the stuff that "wasn't properly playtested" or whatever nonsense excuse will come next for why it shouldn't be included is what makes this era of 40K worth playing.
>>96572458Reference from the rules
>>96580369Wow, anonymous was wrong?
>>96579210They already got included. For whatever reason, nobody actually thought about including it in the OP, but here are the rough drafts of the codices: https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmega.nz%2Ffolder%2F5SxSAbTK%23xTn9hz0PGp1_kMYT0SZXuA
>>96574347>>96578555>>96578601>>96578601>>96578685Year ago I remember reading a blog that fully reverse engineered the points values in RT and 2e.Yes, the basic human with a basic gun is 5 pt, but there's more including how to calculate the fugde factors for better BS, etcI can only find these links now:> https://realmofzhu.blogspot.com/2011/11/oldhammer-universal-points-system.html> http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=252854> https://yaktribe.games/community/threads/2nd-edition-anyone-ever-math-out-point-costs.11771/there's a PDF in the last link
>>96580832this is what people looking it over are for. I've added that to the comments on the latest doc, and recommended using this example image as well in the final doc. thanks for bringing it to our attention, please feel free to comment stuff like this on the google doc itself so we don't lose it in the shuffle between the thread and the doc for future reference.
>>96580876Thank you, sir.
