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What part of ultimate god are you the most excited for and hoping to see, anon?
>>96555932>Hasirama Cells>Dust Release>Hundred HealingsReally what else would you need, Dust Release obliterates everything that isn't directly immune to Chakra. With Hashirama cells you got all the chakra you'd realistically need to end fights. Hundred Healings is just some fluff to stockpile some more chakra plus some more boosting to the regenerative effects of the cells because there's no real use in the other releases to pair up with.
>>96555932I choose to be single and celibate +3Gentle Fist*20 -20I now have 22 fists. 20 of them are gentle but that's ok, I'll use the remaining 2 for non-gentle tasks. With all these hands I am 11 times more productive.
>>96555963Nothing. The clitty cat can keep remaking CYOAs and I couldn't care less. Been there played that, make something new!
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>>96555975Imagine how gently anon could masturbate.
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>>96555932>8 Gates Formation>Hundred Healings>SharinganHealings to mitigate the internal damage caused by the 8 Gates allowing me to use it for longer periods. Sharingan for the hax.
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https://imgchest.com/p/5xy22anpnylhttps://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_information>Chronological Build ListA Hero of Justice https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96547410/#96549457Moonman https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459760Wanderer above the Sea of Fog (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96547410/#96550529Speedster Spider https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412603Demonic Nightmare Maker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493315The Black Messiah (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430522Flagellant Gambler https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96411399The Jötunnsdrottninggen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381145Ithyl Twynis https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381847Y'Sereth, King among Kings https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382717Queen of Mamet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382899Orkhalorkhan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415856Father of the Paracausal Arts https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452392The Wandering Professor (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96428837Vëe the Dream Librarian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393021Demon King of the Dead (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96386307/#96391919Krinak, Syn Ufroka https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399372The Book of the Damned https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96426011Ҁ Ф ʌ https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96467167Faina Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96515334/#96518359Unnotable Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96547410/#96547484Escher https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96395910Foolish Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96398017Vai https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399427Mer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96400248
>>96556215Aurum Arc the Golden Finger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96400560Red Drakonid (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96429221King of The Exarchate (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96416022Qarg the Conqueror https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404302Son of Man (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404724The Inquisitor https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406963Ultimate Scholar (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407218Student https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407496Breaker of the Eternal Curse https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96407496The Return of the King (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407523Liriel, The Veilbreaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96451577Balrog the Emerald King https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427173One-Woman Band https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412498Ellavan "Ella" Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96547410/#96549242Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415916HeWillWin https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415920Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427458Zyneheart (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96423015He'el (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96431341Rozir, the Vagabond King of Hexen (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445292Thaumaradrak (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96468757/#96471990Lady, the Academy Meister (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96485991Daemon ex Machina (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96515334/#96516984Holy Father (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96520605/#96528241Balor of the Evil Eye https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96525117/#96532772
>>96556223Numerological Demon Lord https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447883Manusya, the Unwritten https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96425679Fir Dahort https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96428141Warlord (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430436Liadan - Unbegotten Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96463819Neophyte Sevastian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445422Avi - Demonic Dragon Sage https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96446382The Silk Matron https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452816The White Prophet (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96454351Time Traveler (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96520605/#96522774Led https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96458991Aphainoumenos, Last Demon Prince https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459966Ars Goetia https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96461924Valar https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96471461Prince Aureole https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96477816Rap God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479391Common Man https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480067Alfrent (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480079Aera https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96482056Illior of the Doria (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96482585Godslayer Punchardt https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96487671The Curse Slinger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493657Fu'uq, the Pixie Bomber https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493201Paxtinger, Dragon God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96497495/#96503070Orion https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96520605/#96522237Onze Yesod https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96520605/#96522744True Demon https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96515334/#96516997
>>96556233Unnotable Guy https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96515334/#96518022Vratislav (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96515334/#96518373Blood Priestess https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96520605/#96527658Scourge of the Damned https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96520605/#96528560Immortal Pixie Garland https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96525117/#96529021Nlo, Commander of the First Imperial Host https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96525117/#96532886Izeth-from-Stygia https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96525117/#965347650^0 Kill Speedrun Any% (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96534134/#96535458Ewokai (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96534134/#96535460Useful Humilitas (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96534134/#96538697Daath https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96534134/#96539471Gabaar, of the Krazy Komet Klan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96547410/#96548253The "Last One" https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96541258/#96545134Edward https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96541258/#96545282
>>96556021>t.oknobody cares, mongoloid
>>96556024Whatever happened to Apotheosis anyway? Is he still around?
>>96556347Yeah, he is still working on Tentacle Realm in the discord.
>>96555953Don't really want to be a girl, but what the hell.Light Princess. Thought I wouldn't want to give up a whole column, but really, looking more closely, there's not much in Dark that feels particularly critical.>Angelic Guardianbecause duh, healing? Flying? Angelhood?>Happy PeasantsNicer places are nicer.>Rebellious PrincessAll upside, the duties are still there, but I'm free to ignore them if I want.>Adventure!Get some combat ability to go with the white magic, and adventure is always nice.>Millennium PrincessSpice things up over the long run, I've always been a bit partial to "sci-fi imperial" settings anyway.>On Your Best BehaviorMore for the 'natural talent for speaking and diplomacy' than the duties.>Magic UpgradeNot exactly my thing normally, but there's not a lot of options for personal ability/power in this one, so it'll have to do.I was trying to remember, there was some other cyoa posted a while ago where you had (by default) to be a girl/princess in some fashion, which was fairly well-made but didn't get a lot of engagement for that reason...I recall because there was indeed an option in there to flip it around in some fashion, and I made a build that way. But I can't for the life of me recall the name or much of anything else about it.
And while on the topic of "sort of have to be a girl (but can not be)," otome villainess:
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>>96555953>>96556365>AI slopa picCoulden't you find a nicer picture for your build? pic realted
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>>96555932CelibateHashirama CellsSharinganEight GatesI now have the rinnengan and the strongest taijutsu technique, so I should be safe from most stuff, from there I can just chill.
>>96556417Had to shrink this one a bit to get it under the dimension limit.>>96556416>Coulden't you find a nicer picture for your build? Nah, I'm not really that invested in it, just whipped up something quick while I still have my midjourney subscription active.
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>>96555932>hashirama cells {8}super regeneration, enhanced body and vitality, and wood release is a pretty strong package, sharingan is overrated anyways since you need a brother to steal their sharingan to actually make it work>sage mode {3}very big general boost to my physical and chakra abilities, some enemies are also immune to all chakra except this one>byakugan {1}not as op as the sharingan but it has no drawbacks and is overall pretty useful>shadow clone {0}usually useless without a large chakra pool but I have hashirama's cells so it's not an issue for me.it can also help me gather natural energy for sage mode while I fight, just like naruto did
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>>96556416You know, it it occurs to me, do the disadvantage ones themselves count as 'benefits' (so that net, you have one more 'real' benefit), or do they not? They are listed in the exact same fashion, mixed in amongst the proper benefits; I think the most natural reading would be the former, that taking Rival Stepsister would give you a total of 8 selections, with the Rival Stepsister 'benefit' itself counted among them.Which could of course make them still more unappealing, I'm not sure how you stand having a rival better than you at everything as it is.
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if you pick SRTR as your patron you are in for Guts tier suffering
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>>96556498Donno, I interpreted it the way I made my build. I'll change it if angel anon herself tells me it counts as a benefit and not a drawback.>I'm not sure how you stand having a rival better than you at everything as it is. Anon, there is always a bigger fish. Like there martial artists who are way better than me, there are CYOA authors that are better, there are gamers that are better, some anons even have a larger penis than me. There is always someone who is better. Just because I'm not the best at everything I do doesn't mean I can't be happy or my actions don't have value. I'm not a jealous person and if I can take an option that gives my kingdom a better version of myself I see that as a win for the kingdom and myself. Also I don't want to be queen, I want to keep living a free spirited life as a rebellious princess rather than have responibilities. My step sister is the perfect escape from that. I can go have fun and she can rule the kingdom for me. It's the same as my OR build. It's more fun to be the irresponsible sibling than the rolemodel responsible sibling who inherits all the duties.
>>96556609You could just keep her in the box.
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>>96556609Only if you're not already cool. She was basically Sarmat's cheerleader.
Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot (ascendido, forma inicial) solos your build
I miss Apotheosis anon, even if I find the tentacle realm CYOA quite distasteful.
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0^0 mentor gives you Dobrava powers but better, yet you all sleep on the option because picking 0^0 as your patron is "le bad" or some shit
>>96556656Excellent, we have a rivals-to-friends arc! We might be able to fit in a tournament arc too, if we can get enough other builds in Midoria.
>>96556674>woman thinks that knowing that actions have consequences is a superpowerLmao
>>96556656Ok, I acquire a team and stunlock himWhat then?
>>96556756You'll make Gohan cry.
>>96556756he breaks out of it by going ssj1
>>96556777SRTR is locked up, YMRD runs freeHe literally cannot do that without a detailed lore explanation
>>96555932Hirashin, Sage mode, rasengan. I am low cost Minato. But yeah, those 3 would make anyone competent like kage level. Add shadow clones to make clones get energy and I don't know, the byakugan? it would be neet to spy, see naked women and not get tricked by hidden tricks or people. Would alos help to keep track of flying thunder god seals nearby,By the way, who the fuck put sharingan that costly? The sharingan by itself is not that good to cost more than 4x the amount of the byakugan, and the mangekyo not only is very hard to unlock without getting trauma but also make you go blind. The only way to not get blind eventually would be with harhisama cells, but that would cost 18 points.Meanwhile the sage mode that was the power up Naruto got to be equal to Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan costs almost half the sharingan, while not having the disadvantages of the mangekyo
>>96556439that is not how you get the Rinnengan. If that was so easy Danzo and Obito would already got it.You need Indra chakra plus Asura chakra in your body. Not just senju plus uchiha.
>>96556041>96556041gentleanon...
>>96556353They should add the companion section to the update of the naruto cyoa.>>96555963How strong my enemies can be
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>>96556892Someday... the update.
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>>96555963Mmm, reheated sloppa
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>>96556921spaghetti are on the top of the food chain. Bad try at shitposting, you basically said as an insult that someone is as strong as goku.
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>>96556865No limit is given on who's sharingan it is so I'm taking madra's which with senju cells should fulfil the requirements./jI guess I forgot.
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>>96556934Dw, someone with knowledge of that world would very easily get it if they start in canon. Just get DNA of Naruto and Sasuke, or if you need the eyeso f Indra because all the people that awakened it are indra reincarnations, then get the eyes of indra as child sasuke is not winning against sage mode.
>>96556658That was his best work
>>96556930I just wanted 1 waifu but the candidates are.1. Marie Su that is painfully average in everything.2. Psycho.3.Plantman.4.Soldier boy.5. Pyscho x1006. Spirit that is barely holding herself together7. Person that is barely holding herself together8. Ugly snake/wyrm gal.I guess the best try could be the Queen of the swarm.
>>96556907The cyoa is finished and fine as it is. Unless it's something truly big, I'd rather he create something new.
>>96556515It's crazy how much better this is than OR and with a fraction of the pages, but the redditors insist on focusing on their homeland's creations.
>>96557005Reddit OR or Discord Nexus...
>>96556972>Anon thinks a lamia is ugly so he's going to try and bang someone so mutated and insane they think they're a wasp
>>96556674Its clear that Dobrava's affinity for Mathemagics is abnormal. If she was born in the Eucumene she would've been hailed as once in millennium genius, becoming Charlotte's top student and rivalling Nimatrix in status.
>>96557039I'd solo her.
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>>96557005I know this is bait and I shouldn't reply, but the progression in Nexus is so on-rails with such a hopeless final boss that I felt that it was pointless to really fantasize about it. Also, on a more lizard-brain level, there's no world/lore to really invest in or care about deeply since it's just another planeswalker thing and none of the girls are my type.
>>96557028The lamia is not ugly because she is a lamia, she is ugly because she is ugly. Lamias can be attracitve.The swarm queen is just a cultivator that doesn't know they are human, nothing indicates mutation and if they are that is because of a bloodline she coudl rever like the wym, as long as they are beautiful
>>96556674>0^0 = 1I want none of whatever the fuck that shit is.
>>96557034Isn't that the one where you're FUCKED because Atrocities are powerfag wet dreams?
>>96557044I, Tok, choose the loli spirit. Easy option.
>>96557051Anon you can't even see her face.
>>96557043>t. Nimatrix victim
>>96557048Ah you prefer masculine men you can go on romantic adventures with, I got it anon.
>>96557059The side profile plus the ugly kind of redhead that looks like is oily is enough for me.
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>>96557075I like tsunderes, yanderes, and lolis.
>>96557069I'd solo her too. Nilmatrix is only a problem for retards who hide themselves behind "muh stories". Someone strong enough wins 100%.
>>96557080that's even gayer and so much grosser
I know that's not how True Love works but it would be funny if Nilmatrix's identity was spoiled to you by the fact that you're falling in love with her disguise.
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>>96557076>Side profileYou can't even see any details.>Hair looks oilyIt's wet. She is under a waterfall.
>>96557086>Liking females is gayOkay senpai.
>>96557056>Atrocities are powerfag wet dreams?Now that you mention it, the atrocities do uncannily resemble some builds anon come up with, especially the crazy immortalities.
>>96557083>Someone strong enough wins 100%.How did that work for you Erginter?
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>>96557107This one is solved, the twins that want to marry you vs spirits that do not want to marry you
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>>96557119>thinking with his dickYou're not a true solvefag.
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>>96557110Erginter woulld eat up Nilmatrix.
>>96556215If you're doing E Nomine, you should get something like Vedi instead of Buki, right? Otherwise you're out of death letter protection.What is even the niche for Buki then? Is it just for Amenofags?
>>96557146Erginter was the only Outsider that had no mental Gifts.
>>96557151yes
>>96557146In a fight right?
>>96557130I am a solvefag. But this is a cyoa with no enemies, so power is fine but the most important thing is quality of life.2 devoted and powerful spirit waifus >> a powerful spirit.
A long time ago we used to have a porn /cyoag/ on /aco/I kinda miss it
>>96557157She ate those and gained them
>>96557163>with no enemiesHave you missed half of the CYOA? Atrocities are coming for you.
>>96557162yes, Erginter likes the little dick of her little shota too much to eat a pussy. Is like going from top class food to rotten fish.
>>96557167Isn't /trash/ functionally the same?
>>96557172Atrocities are a non factor you can defeat with any zealous bond. So just pick the best quality of life choice
Wait do people actually attempt to "solve" cyoas unironically? I thought it was a meme making fun of autistic powerfags? Where did this new brand of cucking your own adventure originate from?
>>96557182>It was on /thrash/ all this fucking timeHow would I ever know, I don't go over there, I'm no furry!
>>96557192Give me ANY cyoa and I will solve it. I studied the art for 10 YEARS.
>>96557107>Scorewriter>correctly defined "I am omnipotent"gg
>>96557172nta but that's not the same cyoa they just have the same spirit pact power system.
>>96557197Because it's been that way for years and people regularly bicker about our /trash/ sister thread? You can't have missed every reference to it.
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>>96557215I overestimated myself, not even can win against this attack. I kneel.
>>96557215finally some tok kino
>>96557192Personally I don't solve cyoas, I wait for professional cyoa solvers to write a strategy guide. Playing a cyoa according to the instructions in the strategy guide provides the smoothest cyoa experience, no hiccups, you don't need to go back and change your picks for example.
>>96557200I have this one very hard CYOA called "Real Life" that has stumped me for decades. Can you help me solve it solve-sama?
>>96557226I can try but after >>96557215 showed me I overestimated myself... I can't promise anything. What is your problem?
>>96557223>Choose Your Own Adventure>There's no Choice.>There's no "Own">There's no Adventure.>There's only MetagamingQuite sad and sovless.
>>96557210I don't come here often
>>96557238>sadHe's winning though?
>>96556402Using the 'dlc' to be not-a-girl. Though I usually just go for profound personal power in cyoas, there is a certain appeal as well to being the loyal (still powerful) servant/knight/bodyguard/what have you of a (suitably worthy) girl.Though jumping between the dlc page and the normal pages is annoying.WORLDRace: "Elf," of the "Genetically engineered homo superior" variety, rather than the merely pointy-eared variety.Tech level: Space Opera, to suit the above.Magic Level: LowRole: Resourceful Servant, in keeping with my inclinations.My Vilainess: A custom-designed Princess, as below:Hairstyle: ElaborateHair Color: RedheadRace: "Elf," mostly so she's long-lived.Tech/magic, obviously as above.Role: The Royal PrincessFiance: The Dark RivalNemesis: Heroe's DaughterEnding: Death (which I will be ensuring she avoids)Minions: Free Maid, AI, Animal Companion (and of course, me, who I guess is not counted here.Perks (normal: 2+1=3)>Goddess of Beauty>Good Ending (the good end will involve me, not the Dark Rival)>Silk Hiding SteelFlaws (mandatory Canon mode=3, +1 mandatory from "elf")>In Character>Spoiled Rotten>Jealousy>Sickly (girls are cuter with a vulnerability)Too long overall, so back to me in the next post.
>>96557079>>96557093Do the things Atrocities devour return if you defeat them? Or can Doxa devour the truth of you being bonded to a spirit and auto-win?
>>96557275Back to me:Perks: (Easy! 4+6 for nonmandatory flaws=10!)>Behind Every Great Woman (so she actually respects and likes me, the point of this is not a cuckold scenario)>Casanova (for much better personal appeal)>Magic-user (which in this setting is some kind of psychic of 'force'-type power)>Magical Prodigy (At which I am extraordinarily skilled; combined with 'Elf,' we are looking at a Jedi supersoldier bodyguard situation)>Unearthly Insight (very handy, and even explicable in-story via the above)>Lord of War (Basically maximizing personal insuperability)>Nerves of Steel (completes the set for being able to handle most situations)>Early Start. (More time to take things in a different direction should help)>Marvelous Talent (The violin)>Surprisingly Useful Skill. (Not sure exactly what it'll be, probably something mathy.)Flaws: (1 mandatory from "Elf")>Infatuated>Tragic Ending (Death, same as my mistress'. Counts as 2. High risk!)>Not a Fan (Meh, meta-knowledge is a cheat anyway)>Abhorrent Admirer (Not really much of an issue, to be frank, just an occasional annoyance)>Fierce Foe (the villainess' fiance! The conflict there should be to my ultimate benefit for turning her away from him. I think. Also double value this way.)And that's it! Obviously, the good ending will involve the princess realizing she doesn't need any silly Duke's son when her dashing loyal superhuman retainer is right there. Particularly aided, in this setup, by the fact that that the hostility between them means that practically speaking she can't have both.
>>96556402I wish this CYOA had eternal youth so bad, but as it is right now it isn't playable.
>>96557234>What is your problem?Well for starters, the cyoa doesn't have any waifu options, the author said you must "earn" them on your own. Second I'm on an extremely tight budget due to shitty rng spawn location (The author loves roll mechanics for some reason). Last but not least, there's no immortality option.
>>96557223Which guide did you pick for >>96556215?
>>96557302>there's no immortality option.>he doesn't know
>>96557252>Play CYOA.>Copypaste solvefags build.>Win.>Repeat.What's the point?
>>96556619>Anon, there is always a bigger fish.I suppose, but better in every way? Personal taste, of course, it's certainly -preferable- to be unbothered by that kind of thing.I think you said in the past, that's like league of legends art or something? With one or two exceptions it appears to be the same style/characters.
>>96557320I looked it though and there is none. The closest you get is being an elf but they are only described as being longer lived.
>>96557151>Is it just for Amenofags?Also Justitiatards that want to 'earn' their death
>>96557275>using the dlc to not be a girlGaaaaay
>>96557292>I wish this CYOA had eternal youth so bad, but as it is right now it isn't playableIt does as a practical matter, "elf" is vague enough to say that they have it; that's more or less why I picked "elf" instead of human for my princess' race. Alternately you can credibly specify that it's achievable with magic, particularly if you pick a high magic setting. Possibly just space opera's technology, too.
>>96557343>I looked it though and there is none. The closest you get is being an elf but they are only described as being longer lived.The person to whom you are replying here was talking about the "real life" cyoa.>>96557351>GaaaaayUnforgivable, I know.
>>96557302I see... you at least grabbed the >Be the girlOption right? You know you need it to complete the cyoa right? Otherwise you can gain money in the hard way to farm stats.And about the waifus, yeah, thats a shit mechanic but life has "go out" to meet them, it's not always easy but its something yo uhave to grind for.Hope you get those things
>>96557331>I suppose, but better in every way?Yes, because that means she is an even better pervert than me. And that means we can hate fuck each other and have hot sister sex. I would love to be dominated by a big sister ojousama who is superior to me in every way. Makes me hard as diamonds.>I think you said in the past, that's like league of legends art or something?The character in my image build is Luxanna Crownguard from league of legends mixed in with some art from mobile arena and smite because they all have a similar art style.
>>96557378I take it there's some big archive of official art you've downloaded or can browse through, then? It does seem to work well for getting character consistency and decent-quality visuals, if at the cost of limiting what you can decide your character looks like.
>>96557369>you at least grabbed the Be the girl Option right?I'm afraid not, the gender option is roll only and I rolled male. I could've used the "Trannify" exploit but that gives you debuffs worse than the male option.
>>96557329Winning. Being better than the others.
>>96557402>I take it there's some big archive of official art you've downloaded or can browse through, then?Naaahh, I just have excellent memory when it comes to images. >It does seem to work well for getting character consistency and decent-quality visuals, if at the cost of limiting what you can decide your character looks like.Yeah I guess, but I do think Lux is one of the hottest girls so I don't mind looking like her at all. She has that iconic timeless sexy blonde cheerleader look that so many characters have like Gwen Stacy from Spider-man, Sabrina the teenage witch, Supergirl, Starlight from The Boys, ect. Just blonde hair and black headband is such a good fucking combo. pic realted
>tfw 5 death letters short of being able to get all the mentors
>>96557493>Naaahh, I just have excellent memory when it comes to images.Huh, but where do you actually get them from, in practice?
>>96556609My body is ready
>>96557539but not your mind
>>96556747Seconding this.
>>96556609What if i pick YMRD?
>>96556747Doesn't >actions have consequencesjust mean that time is linear?But OR time isn't? There's Throne time travel, and information about how you die travels backwards in time also (death letters).
>>96557522>Huh, but where do you actually get them from, in practice?Ok, lets say I want am image of a warrior defending someone. Because I want an option that makes you really spatially aware and vigilant of attacks. Like a Spider-sense for warriors, that could also be used to held defend others. Then I would picture an image in my head and then go through my mental library of images I have seen. Then I remember there is this one really cool card in Legends of Runterra that is a demacian card of a dauntless vanguard protecting another dauntless vanguard from an attack. The card is named: Brightsteel Protector is a 2/1 and gives a target creature barrier for 1 turn. Then I google Brightsteel Protector full art and then I have my image, pic realted. I have played shit tons of card games so I have a huge library of mental images to draw from like Magic the Gathering, Legends of Runterra or Eternal Card Game.
>>96557587But league of legends is a computer game, presumably you didn't get those images in the described fashion. Did you just similarly search for the character's name, and the results included a great deal of official art?
>>96557617League of Legends has tons of skins and each skin has it's own splash art but also tons of fan art because it's a hugely popular game. For example, this is the normal Luxanna Crowguard and some are official skins for her, pic realted. Others are from Legends of Runterra that feature her in the art and some others are from entierly different games but with similar art style. As I said my memory of images are impeciable, pic realted
>>96557119All the zealous bonds give me the vibe of opening them up for a romance.
>>96557563You're in for an autistic girl infodumping on you about her D&D setting. You live in her D&D setting, so this often works out for you.
>>96556609What if I pick [CHRL]?
>>96557510Burn the past + keter trick?
Who gives the best hugs in OR
>>96557824Mostly silence and inaction, unless she decides you're a threat. Then she finds you and either kills or cripples you depending on which she's currently allowed to do.
>>96557848Mom-JNPL after you resurrect her. She also tells you that she's proud of you.
>>96557587card games really are one of the best sources for collecting images
>>96557848Nilmatrix.
>>96557883kino
>>96557832Keter Trick with Fay and EvermanThe only mentor unpicked is Dirk since he would have no legal target leaving you and Blazhko with 19 Mentors. Irmtrod and Stoyan as parents for the Muddish and Tumen mentor bonus as well as starting in Dis so you need Extra Mentor x14.
>>96557872Yes, I think Shadowverse has the best anime fantasy art for CYOAs. Used tons of images from Shadowverse in Overpowered Isekai, link realted for all Shadowverse art and I also plan to use some in Hentai Heroine.https://svgdb.me/carddatabase
>>96557812Truly the best god, the others can't even compete.
>>96557970>V1 was all for JNPLfags>V2 is all for YMRDfagsIs V3 for SRTRfags?
>>96557824>>96557857I untimeskipped charlie so I can have her as a companionMy BNC (big northerner cock) will redeem her
>>96557977Considering he wants to nerf all the parents and anything anyone did to get extra points? Yeah pretty much, it's going to be the total meathead update.
>>96557985To be fair the number game was unhinged this time around
>>96557991People like having cool gifts and mentors and companions
>>96557977When is V3 coming out anyway?
>>96557993Also, mental gifts are like 8 points tax on any decent build, which incentivizes people to pointfag
>>96557991Duh. What kind of retards see ways to get stronger and DON'T pick them?
>>96557991Only with the Keter trick, Misalliance with one or a few of the parents, or the Benewhisper/Deurgar Uruk thing. Those of us who didn't take advantage of that are basically getting screwed over because of those people even if we didn't do anything wrong.
>>96557999You're not forced to pick mental gifts though.
>>96558004>>96558011Yeah you can make a shitty build if you want
>>96558011You can't win without Wis + Int.
>>96558004Adoption is way more broken then all of those options desu.Literal 20+ AP in gifts for free.
>>96558011You are if you want to be good at spellcasting.>>96558016My complaint is specifically that my shitty build is going to get penalized too for no good reason.
>>96558022Your build already sucks, why do you care if it’s worse?The people who care about nerfs are the ones that care about making good builds.
>>96558028Because I like my build that sucks and don't want to have to remove things from it or change my parents.
>>96558019>mandatory picksPlease. That's like saying you can't become a good spellcaster with Caster Intuition or a good warrior without Martial Instinct.Do you really need those crutches?Can't you visualize a story where you learn to be just as good as them without picking the Gift?
>>96558039You can’t be a world class mathemetician with 70iq
>>96557985>nerf all the parentsHe literally only agreed that Maiosara was too good points wise for Misalliance so he was going to shift her gifts around while also adjusting all the old parents to consider the new gifts. Or are you going to tell me that Syllia and Ratha are in a good spot gift and points wise?
>>96558031Then play the old version. No one will force you to -kek not even going to finish that one. Despair be upon ye anon.
>>96558019>wisWaste of points.
>>96558047Ratha gives you Stigmata so she is like the Warmachia Mounting parents in offering something too good to let her have good gifts. Unlike Daemonhost which is so shit you have to tempt people with more Gifts to get trapped as a Daemonhunt letter factory.
>>96558045Do you have 70 IQ in real life?
>>96558049>Bro just don't play the update bro just ignore the CYOA and the new contentDo you even play CYOAs you faggot?>>96558047He said he's going to rebalance parents in light of the new gifts. That means parents will get saddled with shitty slot hogs that make them unpickable.
>>96558039Literally anything is possible if you ignore the setting's rules for the sake of your power fantasy. For those of us trying to imagine a world which has internal consistency, though, people who run slower than others tend to lose races.
>>96558060No, only an extremely small amount of people have that specific amount of IQ in real life.
>>96558039There's a big difference between imagining something that makes sense (someone with all the mind gifts doing smart things) and something that doesn't (an actual retard with none of the caster gifts becoming the world's best caster.)
>>96557977>V1 was all for JNPLfagsElaborate, i wasn't here.
>>96558039>Just jack off your headcanon bro!>The world, characters, plot, and message don't matter.You're describing the blessing of SRTR, anon.
>giftsWaste of points. All you need is intelligence and warmachina mounting. MAYBE spiritual feel.Transfer your soul to a superior warmachina body and your processing ability, strength, speed, endurance, durability, and magic will be far superior to fleshfags.
>>96558069Multiples NPCs were able to mimick Gifts solely based on knowledge. You've read the entire CYOA and extra content. What's your excuse?
>>96558011You don't understand anon, without Attentiveness they won't be able to solve simple puzzles and without Cognitive Speed they won't be able to come up with solutions in less than 10 hours. Without memory retention they will instantly forget any spell they learn and always forget their keys.
>>96558081You die to someone with 2AP worth of gifts looking at you funny.
>>96558004If you didn't take those options, your build is probably gonna get buffed.
>>96558087my sides
>>96558084How many of them have killed the evil god that is trying to kill and/or force you to wageslave for the rest of your natural life (and your next reincarnation, and your next, and your next, ad infinitum)
>>96558047>while also adjusting all the old parents to consider the new gifts.Picture this for me. Your mother is Shael, she has good gifts, yeah? But she's a shit person. Someone might pick her because she's cheap in light of that. Now, he slaps Grey Wandering into her leg slots. Bam, now she's a total waste of fucking points because she cripples one of your leg slots with a shitty gift nobody wants. Now you have to change your build so you can take Kneeling Twilight or double your Dream Passage for your mage build.
How can i still be racist against the Muddish when this beautiful creature exists?
>>96558089Not with my mathemagical Meaning dampeners. Your spells are Null against me.
>>96558084You are referring to Inga and One, who had those gifts in the past and are operating on skill they picked up while they had them, not trying to start from scratch like you are.
>>96558075JNPL was obviously the ringleader of the elder gods, being more ancient and knowing the potential of dream, and she was also MOMMY, and she did literally nothing wrong, her ascension plan was fully justified and all naysayers were enemies to be put down.Basically SRTRfags with a higher mommydom fetish.
>>96558104Just buy a different leg if you don't like it.
>>96558104Why are people so obsessed over leg/arms slots? They're much less "mandatory" than shit like the mental gifts. Maybe Tankista will even add a Multiocuar O equivalent for arms and legs.
>>96558119Look of Chaos
>>96558087If you had ADHD you'd know how important Attentiveness is to getting anything done desu.
>>96558090No, because he's going to fuck up bad parents with 'buffs' that eat up their valuable slots with crap I don't want.
>>96558104So it's a problem for people who saw parents as Gift dispensers and not as flavorful options for childhood and early mentorships?
>>96558084If you're talking about Inga, she had gifts when she was alive. She hasn't lost her spellcasting abilities or knowledge now that she's an undead in a porcelain body, but all breakthroughs were made with them active.If you're talking about Achaxe, she compensated for her lost spellcasting ability by speccing into an entirely different skill tree. She's not trying to beat casters at casting.
>>96558128That would intrude on Aranea's thing.
>>96558125You can't. The slot is full and you can only remove it by misalliance, which cucks you out of the other gifts you need.
>>96558130>mental gift tax is for autistsLMAO
>>96558125You can't. Occupied slots can't be overwritten.>>96558128I don't know anon, maybe people want to buy stuff that helps their build or their plans.>>96558136>So it's a problem for people who had a build concept?Seriously, we're not talking about Misalliance cheese here, but not wanting your slots wasted. Tell me, what's the flavor gain in not having gifts worth anything for your build?
>>96558104>Picture this for me. Your mother is Shael-Already too hard to picture. No sane being would pick the abusive mother.
>>96558139Hell when he does this I foresee way more Misalliance abuse. People will be picking parents solely for refunds because the parents they were using before are saddled with slot hogs, so they have to swap to someone it's safe to refund.
>>96558156She has good gifts.
>>96558105She lacks the emotional capacity to feel bad about you being racist to her.
>>96558159Or people will just take parents with the gift in slot they want. Still better than seeing Adoption Misalliance Maiosara Yesod again.
>>96558150Anon you are interpreting Tank's offhand comments made early in the process about the direction he intends to go in the worst possible light and assuming based on almost nothing that it will be terrible. It might be time to log off.
>>96558165Are people really that deseperate over Gifts?
>>96557107>Feierlich, The Vulpine Sorceress: Fire/EarthElemental Variety +20%Elemental Enhancement +10%Pledge of Study x7 +21%Mane Fixation +20%Vow of Eventide +20%Seikilos +10%>101% Total: Devoted Bond>Clef, Djinni Architect: Water/AirElemental Variety +20%Elemental Enhancement +20%Pledge of Reprieve +3%Unlatch Fixation +20%Seikilos +10%Ballad of Compassion +7%>80% Total: Devoted Bond>Coda, The Timeless: AetherElemental Predilection +10%Elemental Duality +20%Pledge of Wager x7 +21%Seikilos +10%Ballad of Compassion +20%>81% Total: Devoted Bond>Seikilos, Common Descent: Aether/LightPrimeval Acrimony +20%Promises of Pledges +22%Promise of Phobias +5%Promise of Fixations +15%Promises of Honor +15%Ballad of Compassion +23%>100 Total: Zealous Bond>Scorewriter: Light/DarkPledge of Activity x7 (Schnell) +21%Vow of Charity (Piacevole) +20%Vow of Hunger (Brass Trio) +20%Echo Fixation (Largo) +20%Onomatophobia (Ottava) +20%Seikilos +10%>111% Total: Devoted BondI mainly just wanted Clef because I think he's the best spirit out of the entire lot, but getting affinity without severely handicapping myself or his own abilities is difficult without taking some Light spirits, so instead of going all in for a Zealous with the genie I gave it to Seikilos instead. Scorewriter and Clef give no direct boosts to myself outside of their services so they worked great in conjunction with the elder dragon, and Coda/Feierlich were mainly just picks for what Oaths I could live with the most to push everyone's affinity the highest I could and minmax the hell out of Ballad of Compassion. They don't become the Gods they would've but ideally it'd give Coda some greater stamina for her powers and broaden the scope of Feierlich's influence on magical control to more esoteric sources, or at the very least some better defenses.All I gotta do in exchange is very easily done, reading and walking an hour a day each are the only real "demanding" tasks.
Unless something is particularly egregious, I don’t believe in nerfs in a cyoa. If some options are underpicked, buff them.
>>96558170>assuming based on almost nothing that it will be terribleNta but I don't think it will be terrible. I think there is a chance, and that small chance is still large enough to be worth bringing it up so that it doesn't happen.
Tankista won't be able to stop pointchads.
>>96558156I picked her in both versions. I'm not worried about Drow matriarchy for reasons that I will not mention on this Midorian godscript study group forum, and her description leaves her no worse than my IRL family. At least this time around I get a library of secret dark magic out of the deal.
>>96558170I'm making realistic assumptions based on how Tankista builds characters, based on the newer ones. Look at Gramrouth, Grey Wandering is a fucking albatross around his neck as a parent. Murzik ruined with Touch of Embedded Rust. Makariy ruined with Witchshot. Bernhard ruined with Stifling of Arms. Boyana's completely schizo lack of focus. Varvara being ruined by Grey Wandering. Siglinda having the totally clashing Shadow Footwork.
>>96558203>No sane being>I picked her in both versionsAsk yourself the right questions.
We are trapped in an endless cycle.
>>96558203>her description leaves her no worse than my IRL familyStay strong anon
>>96558209I mean, we're all on this website. I assume most of us are not entirely well according to the diagnostics and statistics manual.
>>96558211Which one? The 4chan layer? The /tg/ layer? The /cyoag/ layer? The OR layer?
>>96558174To them the whole point of the cyoa is gifts. Ignore crafting a story with parents, companions and quests, they want to be strong and the only way for that to happen is to have the best gifts around.>>96558204You are literally proving how the only thing you value are the gifts you consider strong while everything else is shit. I would ask why Touch of Embedded Rust is bad and you will probably say because it's not Mage Hand, and so every build with it will be inferior to you.
>>96558168>Or people will just take parents with the gift in slot they wantThe issue is him shoving slot hogs onto bad parents to 'buff' them, meaning there'll be way less of those parents and much less flexibility. You'll see every caster flooding to someone like Unnr for example because parents like Irmtrod got saddled with Far Graze or something else detrimental for their build.
>>96558219>You are literally proving howHow people want to play a role in the story and gifts facilitate that role. If I want to be a caster, then I would like things that make me good at casting. If my parent eats up my limited slots with things that suck for casting, then I have been crippled as a caster. This ruins my build concept. It harms the role I wanted to play in the story. If I want that role to define how I interact with the world and meet its challenges, I must now change my parent. This isn't hard to grasp, mechanics are not some alien element at odds with story or lore, they walk hand-in-hand, which is why your mechanical build is ideally going to be in-tune with your story. When it's not, your story because unbelievable, if it's even possible to tell anymore at all.
>>96558219>To them the whole point of the cyoa is gifts. Ignore crafting a story with parents, companions and quests, they want to be strong and the only way for that to happen is to have the best gifts around.But why? Even the "strongest" Gifts are shown failing sometimes.One lost despite being the strongest Icon of Icons mentored by Mithra himself.Demon Lords got wiped out, and the CYOA is filled with Majins having a hard time with their function-oriented existence.Almost all of the All-Glimpse are unironically the most trapped people of the setting, by responsability or plot or trauma.
>>96558242kek
>>96558204NTA but it's kind of funny, I love Touch of Embedded Rust, but the only character who had it beforehand was Taiya and I hated Witchshot. Murzik is someone who'd appeal to me a lot as a father pick, and the only downside to him in my eyes is Starsight since I'd rather rock double Look of Chaos but that's solved easily enough with Multiocular O. Most parents might not be the best in the perspective of most players but there will always be some niche that will consider them the best whether its the gifts they give to complete their specific builds or maybe their teachings, so even if people ignored them now I'd still feel like there's a proper place for them for someone else to utilize in their build.Grey Wandering is a definite kill pick though for parent,s that shit is just awful. Like even with my disliked example of Witchshot, its still a strong ability. Grey Wandering can put you into shit situations just cause you can survive it, you can't even choose where you want to go specifically, and its locked to places you haven't been before. I could take any other leg gift and make it work even if I grumble about it while doing so, but Grey Wandering is just absolutely garbage through and through.
>>96558242>But why?Let's say I want to be good at casting spells in the CYOA. Oh and I'd also like to do so intelligently, and make up complex plans to use my spells. Nothing egregious or wrong with that, is there? Okay, well I need Caster Intuition and Spiritual Feel at a base to be good at spell casting. Mandatory. Well, I need to be smart to be smart, so I'll pick Intelligent. The main limiter to gaining knowledge outside of raw ability is paying attention, so I need Attentiveness. But remember all these spells and plots is hard, so Memory Retention wold be good. But you know, maybe I'd like to know HOW I should apply my smarts too, so Wisdom would be nice. Do you see how this works? If you have something you want to DO in your build, then gifts facilitate the doing.
Grey Wandering + Autoantecedence = instant transmission
>>96558204Last version had the Aureoles with their eye for shadows and Ratibor with his random entrenchment, and both Drakkonid parents locking up an eye gift slot. We played around it by picking parents who gave gifts that we wanted. This lead to overall more diversity of parent choices, since parent choice was part of the gift shopping.Current version has its own highly-focused characters like Komeana, Aes, Mada, Dei, Barbos, Taexx, Kuzma, Mitrofan, and Aat. Many of them are being ignored in favor of the adoption + misalliance meta.
>>9655826120 points of investment for a utility that could be gotten with insular Benewhisper or any other source of teleportation magic, bravo.
>>96558262>We played around it byPicking from a smaller selection of parents without slot hogs. That's actually negative design, you have less parents being chosen in general because some are crippled for the build concept they're meant to appeal to.>Many of them are being ignored in favor of the adoption + misalliance meta.I'm going to reiterate that this is not about Misalliance or Adoption My complaint is old parents, the ones that people formerly 'gave gifts we wanted' in your own words, possibly getting saddled with slog hogs in the update. Something that is technically a 'buff' in raw point autism term but actually makes them non-viable for the builds they were formerly used for.
>>96558104>Shael, she has good gifts, yeah?>worth 3 points>gifts are worth 5 pointsYep. So good.
>>96558259It sounds like you see some Gifts as mandatory for your plans. Why not draft a plan that doesn't pigeonholed you into specific Gifts like that? Like, just picking Memory Retention and Wisdom and learning magic the normal way? What's important is your plan, right?
>>96555934Just take hybrid.
>you don’t need gifts, you can become a world class mage without them!!!!!! It’s bloat!!!!!>but if you want to make warmachina it’s physically impossible, you can’t do it even if the CYOA says you can, ascending to godhood is easy and plausible but you can’t make robots no matter what
>>96558254The issue I'm taking with Touch of Embedded Rust isn't that I think it's a universally useless gift or detrimental to people who have it, but that Murzik is a Necromancy-focused dad (he teaches you Daemonhunt magic and his scythe is how they facilitate their form/usage of Majin Necromancy) but Touch of Embedded Rust is over here eating up an arm slot that for any necromancy-focused build should be going to Deathless Grasp, or Magician's Hand if necromancy is a sub-aspect of a more general mage build.
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>>96558284Tankista said on reddit that a hybrid Maijin still can't take Icon of Icons.
>>96558285Why are you talking about robots all of the sudden?
>>96558285One still doesn't know how to make warmachina, anon
>>96558290
>>96558280>Why not draft a planWell anon, in this example, the plan would have to entail: A) Not being able to cast spells, and B) Being stupid and uneducated, so not able to make intelligent plots. That's a completely different concept from what I wanted to do with my build, and also doesn't sound very fun to me at all.>Learning magic the normal wayAnon, you need to pay attention to the lore. People without Caster Intuition OR Spiritual Feel CANNOT learn magic, they can only use pre-made spell scrolls and items. People with only one can only use spells someone else invented already, and are unable to innovate or modify their spells.
>>96558291>said on redditDoesn't count
>>96558292Autistic headcannon is not a reliable standard for what is and is not reasonable, possible, or consistent in a CYOA.>>96558294>ignore what Tankista said
>>96558305>AOkay, it's probably harder without the gifts, fair.>BDo you think you're stupid and uneducated right now? It's probably a boost, not a certainty you're Tok-tier without it.>Anon, you need to pay attention to the lore. People without Caster Intuition OR Spiritual Feel CANNOT learn magic, they can only use pre-made spell scrolls and items. People with only one can only use spells someone else invented already, and are unable to innovate or modify their spells.Hm... Only one of them is mandatory for spells then? That's 2 points in your pocket for more relevant things.
>>96558308what is this power, this argument... it is too powerful...
>>96558289Deathless Grasp does make sense for getting more undead going early on but Majin spells still seem like something you can do perfectly fine without Deathless Grasp with other mentors. It just seems like another method for raising them up and doesn't necessarily seem like something that directly goes hand in hand since its the same effect but coming from a gift versus magic. I do get the general point though there's plenty of parents that have just something off about them that really hurts building out a character. With the increased point budget we got in V2 its gotten a bit easier to get around it and be less reliant on parents but it still sucks getting someone who's 90% ideal only for the last 10% to be something that caps a quarter of your power potential.
>>96558315>Do you think you're stupid and uneducated right now?I know enough to know I know nothing.>Hmm... only one of them is mandatory for spells?You're being disingenuous aren't, you? Arguing in bad faith. I just told you only having one completely cripples your magical ability.
>>96558305NTA but I want to clarify: Using existing spells well is Caster Intuition. Innovating and modifying spells is Spiritual Feel. Spiritual Feel without Caster intuition makes you a spell theorist that isn't good at actually casting, not a caster who can't innovate.
>>96558315>Only one of them is mandatory for spells then?And you would be a completely average caster. Having both is explicitly required to reach the heights of great mages. Why would anyone making a caster build willingly choose to be mediocre at casting? It's like complaining that anons pick parents that fit their builds' themes.
>>96558305NTA but is the latter really in the lore or is it survivorship bias? Caster Intuition can be passed down just because the parent was skilled enough to essentially manifest the possibility for it for his progeny. Same with Martial Intuition with skilled warriors. I think that opens the door to there being skilled casters without either as the possibility for the gift to develop while being passed down despite the parent's lack of it exists, but we just wouldn't see them and they probably wouldn't be as skilled as the ones we got in the Outsider System select. Hardwork only beats talent if the talent is lazy after all. I just think that it wouldn't be worth learning magic without the gifts because you're putting yourself against competition that will advance above you by leaps and bounds. Spiritual Feel even says it best. "Anyone Can Use Magic, but Few Do"
>>96558347It's really in the lore. This anon >>96558331 even gave you the exact information on how it works. Please actually go and read the CYOA we are discussing before you step into the conversation.
>>96558308It's also said in the CYOA. "Incompatible with Majin." Halfbreeds are still Majin.The Q&A was only needed to clarify that there's no twist of wording here, it's just a no demons allowed sign.
>>96558329>You're being disingenuous aren't, you? Arguing in bad faith. I just told you only having one completely cripples your magical ability.I swear I'm not.Both are needed to reach 100% power, I get it. But if you have Memory Retention and perhaps Wisdom, does it matters? You remember the plan 100%, and can probably find a few ways to up your power ceiling with artifacts, Anti-Texts or some other tactic since you're wise.It's not the most optimal scenario, but you still reach your end goal AND you can choose a few more gifts than the mandatory ones.Is being the strongest/smartest really that important for your plan?
Dumbass thirdies don’t understand what a massive advantage actually being good at things is, because they’ve never been good at anything in their entire lives
>>96558354Yphont...
>>96558349I did, but that's just talent. You can entirely learn magic and how to use it, it'll just be like 10x harder for you. You aren't actually locked into scrolls and stuff as far as I've seen, it's just a far more reasonable option because otherwise you'd have to dedicate decades of your life. I'm not saying that Caster Intuition and Spiritual Feel isn't needed to be a good caster, I'm saying that people can learn magic without them.
>>96558305>People without Caster Intuition OR Spiritual Feel CANNOT learn magicNot any of those anons, but this is wrong, both of the gifts even spell out that this isn't true. Most normal mages have neither of them; having either is enough to make you into a prodigy, and having both with no other gifts is enough to make you one of the greatest mages ever to live. Caster Intuition outright says you can learn how to cast magic on the level of the common wizard-conscript or noble student without it; it's going to take you years to reach the starting line compared to someone with Caster Intuition, but you can do it.
>>96558354Let's play "read the replies again and learn your argument has been addressed already">>96558344>>96558331>>96558305You are basically making up nonsense that contradicts the CYOA. Yes, you need those two to be good at magic. You cannot be good at them without it. That is what the CYOA says. The CYOA is in charge of how things work in the CYOA. You must abide the CYOA. You are doing the equivalent of arguing you can trick Charlotte into just handing you more points for free.
>>96558350>Halfbreeds are still Majin.Categorically incorrect, they are hybrids.
>>96558354>Is being able to use magic important to your plan to be a mage!?
>>96558368It's still mandatory for any mage build unless you want to be mediocre. Cope.
>Wah wah wah if i don't have all mental gifts + perfect eye, leg and hand slots i will NEVER do anything meaningful and will never be able to cast spells waaaah how could Tankista do this?Holy shit, you niggers are pathetic. The other Outsiders didn't need HALF the shit you want and still did more than you can ever imagine doing even if you did had all the stuff you wanted.
>>96558368The average wizard is a fucking jobber.
>>96558368That fucking post you replied to literally tells you what you get if you have neither: using scrolls and items to cast. That's not learning magic. You're trying to play devil's advocate and ignoring the text of the post you replied to, while ignoring the goal of the conversation.
>>96558382>look at outsider builds>icon of icons everywhere>autoantecedence everywhere>mental gifts everywhere>busted hax-tier mentors everywhereyeah, no
>wah wah wah if I don't have all the perfect gifts in my slots I'm ruinedcouldn't be me. If you don't have 58 points worth of gifts don't even look at me or I'll melt your brain with my kaleidoscope calamity eyes.
>>96558363>I didThen why are you ignoring what it says?
>>96558388I'm talking about the ones that came before you as described in the CYOA, retard.
>>96558393So am I you fucking retard. Have you actually looked at any of them?Even Tuzik had fucking JNPL as a companion.
>>96558375
>>96558391Why am I taking that anon's post over what's actually in the CYOA? Is he Tankista himself or what because I honestly don't know why several anons are pointing to it. I pointed out an example in the CYOA that says differently and you haven't done the same but sorta be rude about it. Like I don't mind discussing whatever, I'm always down for prying open whatever interactions there are in such a dense CYOA. I just don't prescribe to headcanon unless its directly listed in the contents of the CYOA itself, and if you posted something that said people without any gift can only ever use scrolls and other preprepared magics made by mages I'll gladly accept it.
My job here is done.
>>96558401>>96558403Oh no no no no…
>>96558382>>96558393
>>96558396One and Aat didn't need slots. Others probably rolled with what their parents had given them + what they bought, that's why Yphont has a bunch of x1s.Stop being a whinny crybaby, you colossal faggot. Not my fault you are incompetent.
>>96558375>>And you would be a completely average caster>You cannot be good at them without it.>You are basically making up nonsense that contradicts the CYOA.You claim I'm making up nonsense, then directly repeat my post. Are you a schizo?
>>96558368This is wrong. Caster Intuition says "If you only have this..." meaning the property you're talking about (being a common caster, a spell-conscript) only apples IF YOU HAVE Caster Intuition. If you DO NOT have it, you don't even get that much.
>>96558408This doesn't say anything differently? That's what the gifts give you. Its talent, but that doesn't say that without them you can't do anything. It puts you at the level of a noble student by having it which is demonstrating how you are ahead of the pack.Like one thing that also tears down the argument that you need one of those to learn magic is the Insular Language bonuses. Dark Elves know healing spells by necessity of their race's curse but not every Dark Elven figure has either magical gift.
>>96558419What's in the brackets, readlet-kun? Say it out loud slowly.
>>96558396>Even Tuzik had fucking JNPL as a companion.You were talking about gift slots, why are you bringing up companions now? Not like parents being nerfed is gonna change that.
>>96558417>>96558401>Completely average>Good atAre you a moron, like actually? When someone says they are 'good at' something, they don't mean 'just being average at it.'
>>96558419>though it is still possible to achieve that level even without this gift, just through sheer practice and effortTechnically, you are incorrect. No mage build is ever going to do that though, because it's both sovlless meaninglet behavior and it's losing out on a massive headstart.
>ORfags infightingYou love to see it.
>>96558416>Aatthe guy with the fiert exploit and the power to steal every ability invented by his children? That aat?
>>96558407
>>96558407I knew you were being stupid on purpose.
>>96558427If you consider discussion infighting, sure. Personally I always enjoy arguments over mechanics because that means the interest of anons are high enough to warrant being invested into spending so much time combing through it and trying to prove their points.Would rather the nastiness between anons be quelled but that's par for the course, can't really forget where we are now can we?
>>96558426>sheer practice and effort>sovlless meaninglet behaviorBro?
>>96558416One, the guy with Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Icon of Icons, Soul Revolving überhax, and for his mentor the only known person to ever ascend and become an Elder God? That One? Or was it Aat, the guy with the unique race, unique hax, original daemonhost skill when no one else had it? With SRTR and YMRD as his mentors?
>>96558403Nobody wants to talk to you about your theorycrafting shit, that's what you're missing here. You jumped into an argument to try and say "Dude but what about my idea!?" Nobody cares. The point was how you need certain inner gifts to facilitate certain build concepts, like being a skilled mage. Your devil's advocacy that "Well if you work really hard maybe you can actually be a dogshit mage because..." is entirely unwanted and missing the point.
>>96558425It is abundantly clear that you're combining multiple anons into a single person in your head and getting confused when people replying to you aren't continuing to argue for things they never said in the first place.
Uruk + all maladies + retardation bonus = trve meaningfvl strvgglerIf you pick anything else you’re gay
>>96558442>With SRTR and YMRD as his mentors?Only SRTR, he got YMRD's patronage later
>>96558426No mage is going to do that because it says hard work and perseverance will make you the average, conscript-level mage, and mage builds obviously don't want to JUST be the magical equivalent of an army grunt.
>>96558425>When someone says they are 'good at' something, they don't mean 'just being average at it.'>>96558375 directly states "You cannot be good at them without it.", retard.Low quality bait.>>96558436Yes, saying "I'll just get everything outside of the cyoa and be just as good as everyone else who spent points on the option" is, much like the similar situation of ignoring drawbacks. I am talking about that specifically, because I assumed no one making a caster build would willingly choose to start far behind at casting. It's pretty based if a build does do it without ignoring the difficulties it would cause, though.
>>96558444>I'm not saying that Caster Intuition and Spiritual Feel isn't needed to be a good caster, I'm saying that people can learn magic without them.It's not theorycrafting at all. It's responding to an entirely different part and I even stated exactly what I was addressing. I'm sorry if you got caught up in something and failed to read my posts but like I even prefaced with my first post, NTA.
>>96558447>Uruk Oh yes, you're so special!~*...This makes me sick.
>>96558456SHUT THE FUCK UP CHARLIE
>>96556215New stats.
>>96558456I am special. I’m built different. I’ll kill you with a rusty nail and a broken twig.
>>96558446It is abundantly clear that you jumped into a conversation with no idea what it was about just to try and do a gotcha. If you don't want to be mixed up with anyone don't hop into the middle of something.>>96558454>directly states "You cannot be good at them without it.Yeah, you can't be GOOD AT THEM. Being completely average is not 'being good at'. When someone tells you he wants to be a chess master do you point him at your grandpa who can play it at a begginer's level?
>>96558454>I'll just get everything outside of the cyoa and be just as good as everyone else who spent points on the optionAbsolutely never happening unless you believe the guys who took Caster Intuition or Spiritual Feel just decided to sit on their hands and not use their headstart.
>>96558460I literally prefaced my post with NTA. Not my fault you can't read.
>>96558460You're sperging out over the difference between being good at something and average, when I said "average" and the other anon said "canNOT be good".
>>96558455And nobody cares, because that wasn't what the conversation was about. You are trying to change the subject or else confuse the point by bringing in something that does not matter.
>>96558442>Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Icon of IconsNone take slots>Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Icon of IconsYou don't know what it does, meds>Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Icon of IconsYou can have one of those as a companion, which also no one else had. He started with one only, and EARNED the other.You realise there's bunch of stuff, like mentors and companions we have avalible, that the others could also call HAX, right? Imagine 12th reading "Last Breath" on 11th Gifts and thinking "ZOMG IMBA HE WAS STRONG BECAUSE OF THAT", when in reality is just a mid tier gift. You'd be coping if one other guy had Death of the Author and it wasn't avalible to us even though no one picks that shit now.
>>96558467>The other anonYou mean myself? I know what I'm arguing for, but you apparently don't.
>>96558472>which also no one else hadBro? Your Tuzik?>Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Icon of Icons>You don't know what it does, medsI know it's a mistake, but it's still hilarious
>>96558472>>96558480My ctrl+c is busted, fuckSecond arrow is meant for soul revolving, and third one for SRTR and YMRD mentors.
>>96556515>predecessor is a spiteful woman rationalizing her antagonism towards me
>>96558476...And now you're mad that I'm not a schizophrenic.You said you can't be a good mage without caster gifts. I said you can only become average without caster gifts.
>>96558456>~*This alone convinced me to kill her
>>96558482>third one for SRTR and YMRD mentors.Fair, but they were still available since there's no reason to believe the untimeskip into companion trick we can pull on Charlie didn't work back then.
>>96558444Actually why are you even responding on that other anons behalf? Whats your deal, the original anon responded and addressed the part I pointed out, even if he was doubling down on it. So you're just cutting in to say as if I was on an entirely wrong track.>>96558468Again, I was very clear about what part I disagreed with. If you read all my posts which are pretty straightforward in a reply chain it's entirely outlined around him saying people with no gifts can't practice magic. They responded which meant they did engage with it and acknowledged that it was only about the latter half of his statement. This isn't some sorta distraction I don't give a damn about the caster debate, obviously you'd want both to be the best caster you can be, but its not like you couldn't be a caster without them.It's like 1 point and my 1 other diverging point that has been stated clearly at the beginning of almost every post I really don't get how its confusing.
>>96558472Whats so bad about Death of the Author?
>>96558488>>96558457>>96558459You're too easy Anon.
>>96558472So true! They all had shitty builds and became OP out of sheer awesomeness. Erginter only took ONE gift, and it was a lifespan gift. You don't need any gifts to be successful!!!
>>96558494Death of the author is great. Spending a total of 10 points to not get any of the normal inheritable Inborn Gifts from your parent choices is less good.
>>96558494JNPLmom means you lose out on 10 points and inherit no gifts from parents, so you lose ~20 points total for most builds. DotA only protects you from direct influence, meaning Charlie can just kill you the normal way.
>>96558492>people with no gifts can't practice magicI'm still not sure why anyone believes this, when you can have Blazkho learn from any of the mentors, including the pure caster ones. He won't get as much from it as you would if you had the caster gifts, but he can still learn from them.
>>96558508You have no idea what gifts Blazkho has
>>96558494It costs 5 DP + 5 AP + a lot more AP from the missing opportunity from inheriting things from other parents and only makes you immune to direct usage of divine magic.
>>96558514>You have no idea what gifts Blazkho hasYes, I do. He has none, [JNPL] outright says it. The only special thing about him is that he can have as many mentors as you can.
>>96558487Oh no, I see what happened. You're an idiot. You misunderstood the formatting of this post: >>96558375The text at the bottom is being directed at the anon in the first quote. The three interceding quotes are not being replied to, they're being used as examples of counterarguments against him that he ignored, or that already addressed what he's repeating. The format is basically "This was addressed already, see these three posts, you are stupid." and not "This was addressed already. You three posts, you are stupid." like you've been assuming. I thought you were the guy from the first quote, because it'd take an idiot speedreading to not understand the original format, but here we are.
Becoming Undeath mimics everything you want from [JNPL] mother except the Extra races page.
>>96558521>Becoming Undeath
strongest ability in the gameif you don't have it, you will job
>>96558521Anon Undeads can still die, it's just harder because you aren't a living being. Nothing stops you from getting smited by Charlotte and being reduced to a pile of ash.
>>96558529Kek
>>96558518Even without gifts he's specifically noted to be some kind of freak prodigy of learning.
>>96558529I mean it's more of a mindset. They even say it's not magic or an ability. It's still very strong because Charlotte's mindset allowed her to get so far and achieve what he did, but its basically the same as seeing the magic of the world reduced to numerical values like Tsifra where the effects are different but the main change is utilizing your tools in a different way which may be more effective.
>>96558529It's strong but for the wrong reasons.She appears before you in the flesh so you can trap her with Ota in a fated encounter where she comes to you.
>>96558519Oh, my bad. Doesn't change that it's formatted terribly.
>Ethereal Beauty>Icon of Icons>Luminescence of Man>Spiritual Feel>Martial Instinct>Caster Intuition>Noble Inclination>Autoantecedence>Hand of Infinity(x3)>Sunstride(x2)>Intelligence>Attentiveness>Cognitive Speed>Everlasting>Word of God>Deus Ex MachinaI'm sick and fucking tired of these power gamers in my tide world. Seems like there's always one no matter which world you're in.
>>96558529You cant get the best race if you have this so it sucks.
>>96558535Yeah, he's just that guy. I'm not saying that anons without gifts could compete with Blazkho, since Ersatz already proved that they'll give up immediately if they don't have at least 2 synergizing gifts. But it's entirely possible to learn to cast magic without any gifts helping you. It's going to be hard, will take a long time, and probably won't be worth it, but it's possible.
>>96558490>untimeskip 0^0This is a terrible idea unless you want to side with the Ecumene.
>>96558508Blazkho is being helped along by fate to succeed at his mentorship, same as 11 is when 11 picks their mentors. His success is well outside what is expected and can't be reliably replicated outside of fate-assist mode.The expected result for a caster without any gifts is to practice and practice and drill and drill to get a few good spells. The cleanest example of this is the Demonhunt -- basic training gives everyone sigils and majin letter extraction, but not more than that. Still more than what "no magic without gifts" anon is saying, but trying to be a wizard without gifts is still absolutely a bad idea.
>>96558553for the last time you do not have to become an ooze to revitalize the slime pussy game. It's not worth sacrificing years of your life for...
>>96558548I will trap her with my ethereal beauty + northerner race>>96558555It's a great idea actually
>>96558551I don't agree, but I think it's funny that 90% of the vitriol is from you (and one or both of the others I was using as positive examples against him) thinking I was suddenly turning around to attack you and then everyone getting confused on which side we all were.Gifts are important for your build, that was the main point all along.
what's your plan for when Goku kills Nilmatrix and 0^0 before turning 20 and becomes god king of the new world?
>>96558552>Autoantecedence>Icon of Icons>All sense gifts plus 3 mind giftsWas her mom just cracked, or was Hand of Infinity dirt cheap? How did she afford all of this?
>>96558529>"Did you, like, knew that if you skipped breakfast this morning you'd be hungry by now? Yeah, actions have consequences">He needs a mentor to learn that
>>96558570Her mom was cracked. Last known descendent of Mithra, meaning Icon of Icons was free at the very leasr.
>>96558568Give him a heart attack.
>>96558563Yeah, sorry about that. I unfairly assumed that you were being dishonest.
>>96558574goku takes his medicine in this timeline
>>96558568Be very sad that he lied here >>96479780 and continue reviving [JNPL].
>>96558568I tell him that i heard those nightmare guys are pretty strong.
>>96558568>>96558580My war elephant will slaughter him
>>96558580Nah, cholesterol build up from his eating habits will catch up to him. I'm a >>96558529 chad.
>>96558568Start spamming copypastas from the general at him until he flips his shit about how he does NOT want to live in Vegeta's foreskin or whatever.
>>96558568TRAP and BETRAY him
>>96558561HOW ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO DO IT??!
>>96558593Learn Thaumiel's nightmare making stuff instead and make Nightmare slimes.
>>96556215I wish ??? was 1 point cheaper so I could take her, everyone gravitated to her shitty moms instead, and forgot about her.
>>96558593It's not like they're extinct or anything, you just need to uplift the oozes into Oozes. Maybe God Hand's blessing can give them the initial boost to take a step into the other side as I doubt they'll backslide when it wears off.
>>96558602If only she had any personality.
Did anyone use Dice Fudge and True Love just so they could shag one of the Mother options?
>>96558613Only the Mamet mommy.
>>96558586but Goku is also a Word of God user
>>96558458Now that we have a few gifts with more than two anons who have with the same thing at x3, who has the best:>Dream Passage>God Hand>Grim Outlook(Feel free to ignore someone if you think their effect Blessing of SRTR-tier.)
>>96558617They are all SRTR tier.Literally making up bullshit effects not in the cyoa.
>>96558616Patron: 0^0So he's not making it, got it.
>>96558617Mine.
Is there a reason for why the Dark Elf parents to give points instead of costing them? It's not like you're gonna get Eternald Cursed unless you get two of them to be your parents.
>>96558617True Demon has the best Grim OutlookStudent has the best God Handand Vee has the best Dream Passage
>>96558625It's an open-ended gift. You're literally intended to make something up, within a reasonable power level.>>96558628Which is yours?
>>96558617All of them are bullshitters who should be invalid. Autoantecedance is the bane of balance.
>>96558617Ignoring the bugfucker's builds.>Inner Eye: Neophyte SevastianSeeing his past lives, or really anything to do with the ascension plan, is incredibly good.>God Hand: OrionPermanent blessings are really good, and being able to change his own means he can gain any minor trait he might need.>Dream Passage: VëeThe library is just such a fun idea.
>>96558625Fact
>Legal option in the cyoa>Autists get mad if someone picks itEvery time
>>96558617>Dream Passage: Demonic Nightmare MakerI like stretching the sort of lucidity for dreams and laying it over the dungeon itself to morph and influence it. It might be overpowered but its the most detailed anyway and I think its cool.>God Hand: NloI think all the permanent blessings on others is way too strong. Especially Holy Father that does so much, especially having it combo with their other effects for no reason. Having it instead granting a blessing from each Elder God is way more interesting.>Grim Outlook: N/AThe only real option is short and sweet ones from Cursed Gunslinger or Scourge of the Damned or a whole lotta shit from Daemon ex Machina and neither I particularly care for.
>>96558649People get genuinelly mad when they make a bullshit ability when it's intended power level was supposed to be something akin to the shit Greater Warmachina have. Not when they make something cool, or even when they make something too weak sometimes.
>>96558458>Dream PassageVee and DNM have almost the same thing, but Vee is a more fun character, so her.>Grim OutlookI like Curse Slinger's whole deal, so he gets the point>God HandMine
I forgot, Goku has 4 extra AP to spend. this is the gift loadout as it stands:Royal ClaimWarmachina MountingNoble InclinationBestial StrengthBoiling BloodSecond Wind Martial Instinct Vigilant Strand Far Grazex2 Shadow Footwork x3 -9APAutoantecedence -5APIntelligenceCognitive Speed -2APSpiritual Feel Caster Intuition All Glimpse Icon of Icons What else should I take? There's also the option of untimeskipping another mentor.
>>96557087If you true love her, that means her betrayal is not killing you just cucking you.
>>96558661Not even Greater Warmachina level imo. Greater Warmachina are like Majin letters on steroids, the purity of their Meaning can't simply be matched by some stroke of luck getting triple gifts. Touch of Embedded Rust could probably make a castle crumble but a Greater Warmachina with a similar effect could probably do it with a mountain.
>>96558661it's an 8-20+ point abilitythat's 1.666-4x the cost of Icon of Icons it should be fucking strong
>>96557151No you take E Nomine and Buki so that you can go fight Charlie NOW. If you take Vedi you won't be able to beat Charlie until after 100 years happen and the 12th is going to come help you for being a bitch.
>>96558661I don't know these seem pretty busted.Infinitely scaling Bestial Strength?
>>96558667Bro? Your wisdom?
>>96558671It's what the author said, i believe. The cost probably includes snowflake tax.
>>96558674But you're guaranteed to survive for 100 years. That's the logical pick.
>>96558674>If you take Vedi you won't be able to beat Charlie until after 100 years happen and the 12th is going to come help you for being a bitch.No, you can fight Charlie with any letter.
>>96558679Goku doesn't need shit like that.Charlie is strong, Goku needs to be stronger.
>>96558677How does "empowering itself regardless of enemy might" translates to "unlimited" to you? It just means "Bestial Strength, but at minimum, you'll be this strong"
>>96557087>Nilmatrix turns out to have always been the cute girl next door who had a crush you ignored in favor of classic manic pixie dream girl Zhuchka or tsundere OmegaYou brought that betrayal on yourself.
>>96558677Free recasting of any spell in the warmachina's catalogue, but the magician's hand suggestions were all too op.
>>96558631You still have to deal with the social malus of being descended from the most universally-hated people on the planet
>>96558683>you get YAT'd by the 12th and your waifu gets True Lovedhow fast are you defecting to the Ecumene
>>96558667I'd add attentiveness to focus even harder on training, but I don't know about the rest.
>>96558690NTA but it reads to me more like "You'll continue to scale even after you've surpassed your opponent", which I can understand as sort of unlimited scaling as long as you keep fighting.
>>96558683You're guaranteed to be a mentor.The Aureole book is a mentor.
>>96558696>There's still an EcumeneJobber, you might as well Yat yourself and let the true protagonist take over.
>>96558696Why would it be more likely with Vedi than Buki that the next outsider True Love's your waifu?
>>96558694Just grow in Stygia or something. Not like people are gonna as "IS UR MUM A DARKIE?!??!?" whenever you go.
>>96558707he did it because you failedsee >>96558704
>>96558458https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96465213>For Vëe, I'm hesitating between a few interpretations.>>It abolishes the “four-person in a Dungeon” rule for the Library.>>It makes Vëe the owner of the dream parcel on which the Library stands.>>It grants her fine-grained control over the Library’s contents (books coming when summoned, shelves gliding aside).>>It allows the Library to connect to other Dungeons and Dreams.>Writing it out, I'm leaning for option B since the rest sounds more like an organic evolution of the concept, but I don't know how to phrase it elegantly.I've been hesitating on putting anything in Vee's. Should I just input all 4? It seems like people are already assuming her ability is all 4...
>>9655869612th will be a fujo, (s)he will True Love you, and you will like it.
>>96558703Just remember to never write anything down or give anyone any kind of advice. Take all your secrets to the grave with you until your destined pupil arrives.
>>96558708Sure, but that's just mitigating the drawback. No different than people assuming (correctly) that maladies which have known cures are not gonna last long if your mom runs the most technologically advanced nation on the continent.
>>96558719you will die and your brain will get scanned by some bullshit majin abilitysorry
Could we take Eyes of Fore and employ the Kneeling Twilight , never sleep strategy then turn the 12th into an Undead before activating our Eye and pulling off a Inga Yesod on them where we control what they choose?
>>96558720>taking a maladyuruk bait>>96558723No. That only worked because Inga forced her undead slave to use the Old Throne. The mind controlled slave was the one that went back in time, not Inga.With Eye of Fore, (you) are the one going back in time.
>>96558019After you gain wisdom you will realise you wasted points by picking wisdom.
>>96558713https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96467455>1 is already in Dream Passage x2. Have both 3 and 4.This answer is the best, I think.
>>96558709But a Vedi Outsider is more likely to win in a fight against Charlie than a Buki Outsider, because the Vedi Outsider has an additional level of fate armor while everything else is equal?It seems to me you are assuming a fight between Charlie and the 11th Outsider(s) somehow won't happen during the entire 100 years till 12th, but that's ridiculous.
>>96558720They can treat Wereplague sure, but if they could cure Bitter Sickness, they'd already have done so for the massive profit and fame that would bring. And Meandering Thought still has a RNG chance that'll never be curable for a given individual, as per text, (You) included.
>>96558713>Should I just input all 4?The first one's already dream passage 2 base ability, the others seem like a good boost, but it's weak af if it's only one of them.
>>96558667>DBZtard is granted intelligence via divine intervention>Is now permanently estranged from enjoying media made for 12 year oldsA tragedy for the ages, the first truly poetic OR build
>>96558730>don't want to be retarded>pick the perk that makes you smort>now you know picking it was retarded in the first placeHOW AM I SUPPOSED TO WIN
>>96558733The incurable part of Meandering Thought is bullshit. I ignore that.
>>96558733I said "which have known cures" anon. Bitter sickness doesn't have a known cure. You're arguing with someone who isn't me.
>>96558741Sure thing, just remember to take the Blessing of SRTR and stay solo, anon.
>not having Dobrava make a cure to Bitter Sickness and spread it around the world as a result of Let the Purgation Begin
>>96558713Seconding the others. 1 is pre-packaged - put everything else.
>>96558732>a Vedi Outsider is more likely to win in a fight against Charlie than a Buki OutsiderAbsolutely NOT, lol. This is a world governed by fate and storytelling. If you pick "I will be a mentor/ally to the next guy" option, you are a million times less likely to kill god than by picking the "I will kill god" option.In the first place, getting to the Three Pillars to actually fight Charlie is not at all a trivial task. This is why Buki is a requirement for Ameno. However, fighting Charlie is not necessarily a requirement for reviving JNPL and reinstating the elder gods, which is why it is not required there.
>>96558729That raises the interesting question of whether mind controlling someone who has View of Fore into killing themselves would make them wake up from their prophetic dream mind controlled by (you).
>>96558742Well, you're right. Still the only ones with an cure there, rather than just a treatment that may require constant upkeep, seem to be Missed Shape and Hybrid Disease.
>>96558746>DobravaShe's in Gunter's loadout so I can't cheat encounters with it.
>curing bitter sicknessdrop those corpses into poulden
>>96558746Dobrava is goated but she only gets 3 encounters and I have her doing other things
>>96558754Dobrava being in Gunter's team doesn't nullify her special hax ability.
Dobrava hax is literally just nerfed Word of God thougheverbeit
>>96558732anon please for the last time just because you can't die doesn't mean you have plot armor that can save you.Nothing stops her from capturing you and turning you into a nugget while she waits for the next Outsider to arrive. Or any other fates worse then death. You only need to live long enough to teach them but nothing states what state you have to be in as long as its possible to do so. It in no way influences the possibility of you winning more, it simply means you can't die.
>Not taking Bitter Sickness, spreading the normal stain in the Ecumene so Chalie will work for you, for FREE
>>96558746>letting her do it instead of doing it yourself to IconmaxxNever go into politics; you would never make it.
Couldn't we just ask One to change his name to Bob in a public manner and 0^0 will lose all her power over Entramithraic and mathemagic as an extension?
>>96558753>just a treatment that may require constant upkeepThanks for reminding me of that anon that thought wereplague couldn't be cured because tankista used the word treatment.
>>96558768>politicsBooooooooooring.
>>96558762People really don't know how the Killmatrix trick even works do they.ANONs if you don't know how it works this is the best writeup I could find in a few seconds of searching the archive: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96497495/#96506309
>>96558766You misread what I said!A buki outsider can be instakilled by Charlie, while a Vedi outsider cannot. They can both be defeated, but Vedi provides some level of armor while Buki provides nothing at all, it lapsed when the encounter happened.
>>96558770Doubt it, considering Xian's body and Yphont's body are still powerful.I'm surprised more people aren't collecting outsider corpses, or trying to unlock the power of the outsider seat, though. I guess it's because there are only a few references to the outsider seat having reality warping effects, and they're easy to miss.
>>96558777Are you retarded? Dobrava still has 2 more encounters she can perform before finishing Nilmatrix.
>>96558787>I'm surprised more people aren't collecting outsider corpses, or trying to unlock the power of the outsider seat, though. I guess it's because there are only a few references to the outsider seat having reality warping effects, and they're easy to miss.A few people are doing just that - but I guess the majority prefer to indulge in their own stories rather than using theirs.
Step 1: Select Nilmatrix as your companionStep 2: Kill Nilmatrixdon't tell me you need some autistic charlie simp to do it for you?
>>96558794I was agreeing with >>96558762, anon, not arguing. Though I guess it wasn't clear
>>96558801She's unbeatable without hacks.
>>96558802My bad. I read that wrong then.
>>96558801Look I'm fully in favor of killing NIlmatrix yourself but it's not intended to be easy. Anyone who says "nah, I'd win" without an actual plan is getting ganked as soon as they finish the tutorial.
>>96558766Plot armor is real, you're not wrong about the other stuff but we do we have real plot armor>How important is slapping death fates for 00 getting rid of people, anyways? Since she can only do it within line-of-sight, wouldn't she (in the vast majority of cases) be able to just use Deus Ex Machina to kill you even if you're Undead?>(Tankista)Deus Ex Machina is the thing she uses to assign deaths to people. Naturally, she won't be able to do it if you're Undead because you have no death slot. She will have to use indirect means to get you killed with Deus Ex Machina - and, again, she will be limited by line of sight. >Assuming you don't have Death of the Author, can't she just do the stuff mentioned in JPNL's description (lifting you into the atmosphere and dropping you to your death) if she has line of sight on you? Or does that involve slapping a death letter on you? >(Tankista)If it gives enough leeway for fate to still resolve things safely for you, then it doesn't matter - like a passing wyvern suddenly grabs you while you are falling and carries you to safety. But if it doesn't make sense for something to prevent your death and you do get killed in a way which doesn't match your letter, then it's a logic error, and 00 will suffer for it.
>>96558770Sorry, the deceased cannot legally change their names. That's a rule written in Godscript, you can't change it.
>>96558815Have you heard of the term "fucked silly"?
>>96558818>people are literally stuck with their deadnamesI hate it here.
>>96558815Honestly, my build I did a write up for just had a ton of anons dogpiling me and telling me every little thing in my build was wrong and that I'd be killed by a troll before I ever got to Nilmatrix.Why even bother writing when anons are just looking for excuses to shitpost?
>>96558815>I find it unlikely that the CYOA player would come up with a story where they fail and everything is lost. Therefore, from that perspective, you’ve already won.BOOM.
>>96558831You lost because you robbed yourself of the opportunity to tell a story where the victory is earned, in favor of a meaningless power fantasy.
>>96558828It's a crab bucket.
>This means that either you and her inevitably fight in the end – and this is worse than normal because she’s right next to you – or you actually manage to truly befriend her. This latter outcome could lead to any kind of resolution: some kind of redemption arc, or your defection to the Ecumene to fight the Elder Gods together even, or anything else I can’t think of at the moment.>Are you a bad enough dude to use the causality techniques you’ve untimeskipped-learned on their own original source to make her your Companion for reals?why didn't you pick the charlie redemption/romance route?you could have saved so many people....
>>96558837>power fantasyThat's the goal of OR you dumb fuck.
>>96558828If you're the kind of fag that takes almost all Maladies and all Uruk encounters and just says "Nah, i'd win" because you have some gifts then make a better story.I am honestly starting to think those encounters were a mistake.
>>96558837So true. You haven't earned any of this.
>>96558828Trollfucker anon really is the worst isn't he?
>>96558843I know I'm not a bad enough dude to use the causality techniques I’ve untimeskipped-learned on their own original source to make her my Companion for reals
>>96558843>why didn't you romance the evil bitter single mother?>why did you chose one of the other kind, good waifus?It's called taste.
>>96558843I'm curious - in the previous tide, were people trying to redeem 0^0 or be friendly with her?
>>96558861>he wants a waifu handed to him on a silver platter>he doesn't want to earn it, even if it means saving the worldDisgusting. Charlie did nothing wrong.
>>96558685But if you don't take buki which guarantees a climactic battle, it shows you don't have belief in yourself so you will lose.
>>96558861You don't have to romance her to redeem her
>>96558847If that's what you want, you're welcome to play that way. I think the power you're granted is more interesting when it's matched up against enemies that can credibly threaten you and failure is possible if you don't, you know, try.
>>96558866Wrong, you are NOT supposed to pick True Love, that's rizzless behavior.
>>96558866>Charlie did nothing wrong.>Tsoshu Elves exterminated>Orthrung GONE>Polluden in wageslave hell>Mommy JNPL dead
>>96558873JNPL gave it to me for free, and it's rude to refuse gifts
>>96558778Yes but I disagree in that the level of protection strengthens the odds that you actually win the fight. Look at Keter. Sure her circumstances were a bit different but you can see how she got whooped despite surviving death numerous times.>>96558817Yeah I completely agree, I'm just staying that the plot armor isn't actually enough to influence your chances of winning.
>>96558815I'm not expecting people to justify all their exact plans. For a build I didn't post, I was sure the party I made would be able to beat her and that was just a couple of usually unpicked companions alongside a normal build that was honestly short on points.Yes, she's strong but you don't need to fall on the same place as those saying that you have no way of beating her without Dobrava. Same thing with the Uruk encounters, I just want people to not ignore the encounters without acknowledging them, but I won't criticize if they literally just say they will run away from them.
>>96558879Stop indulging her hypnosis fetish.
>>96558850Proving >>96558839 right, I see
>>96558879>JNPL as a patron godYou already admited that you are a jobber. But rejoice, you will have a happy life with your wife until you die at age ~80.
>>96558887>~80He has lifespan gifts most likely.
>>96558839No one crab bucketed builds like the Uruk necromancer thougbeit. Only shitty builds.
>>96558740By not being retarded in the first place.
>>96558889Tuzik-sama...
>>96558890Uruk Necromancer already starts as the ultimate lifeform, he wins by default
>>96558862Yes. It was an obviously unpopular niche but there were a few that did it.
>>96558899Can he beat Goku tho?
>>96558904no
>>96558882I think there's a large and meaningful difference between hand-waving some nameless uruks you fight during childhood and hand-waving the big bad's right hand.
>>9655888911th-sama, i...
What's your favorite letter ability?
>>96558916Majin Letter ability, I mean
>>96558916Fot's ability.
>>96558913Dogpeople live longer, but in dog years. Mystery solved.
>>96558899>ultimate lifeform
>>96558904>>96558910He has 20 years of prep time on himWhile Goku is relearning how to walk, Uruk Necromancer will be trainingWhile Goku is relearning how to talk, Uruk Necromancer will be trainingWhile Goku is relearning how to read and write, Uruk Necromancer will be trainingWhile Goku picks up a sword for the first time, Uruk Necromancer will be TRAININGWhile Goku sees a Warmachina for the first time, URUK NECROMANCER! WILL BE TRAINING!20 years of prep time, unbeatable.
>>96558926No the Pokoy was applied to him before being born while he was still a human in the heavens.
>>96558913>LongevityYou still die of old age from this, beastfolk tend to live a little longer than a hundred years because they don't suffer everything else from old age, but they're not immune to it.
>>96558916Player-made or in the CYOA?In the CYOA, I really like Yen's Dobro. It's a cool ability without being over the top like Ota's
>>96558931>after the final cathartic moment his character arc was complete>His death slot swapped from A to BAnon...>[JNPL] - It should come as no surprise. Slot swaps don't just happen on their own, either.[JNPL] directly killed him.
>>96558944He earned a peaceful death, anon. It was what he wanted. It was all very meaningful, you see.
>>96558911The point is even a simple "me, Edvokia, Omega and Darina would beat up Nilmatrix when she reveals herself" is fine. You con go into details with how Edvokia would counter her temporary Empyreans, Darina would match her in close combat and Omega would cancel her mathemagic while you deal the finishing blow, but that would be redundant for some people. The fight itself is happening in your head so you cannot expect to come in and give her more power ups or scenarios where that wouldn't work.
Never trust a pixie.
>>96558944She was his mentor anon, she taught him how to do it before he was 25. He just needed to finish his Humillitas quest before it took root.
>>96558967I trust all Pixie Outsiders.
>>96558930>Uruk Necromancer with 20 years of prep time decides he wants to kill all your friends, raise their corpses, and take your shithow do you even defend?
>>96558966A JRPG classic, who is going to sacrifice themselves so you and your party can escape? Which mentors do you have?
>>96558980bad movethey diminished your shit and pocketed it while you weren't looking
>>96558991None of them are assholes. They're cute and funny.
>>96558987None unless you gave someone Glagoli.
>trusting the faefolkYou're asking for it.
>>96558801Why are you idiots spending points to be betrayed? Just kill her normally.
Never trust a fairy.Never trust an elf.
>>96558984>how do you even defend?You can't, you just die. Vedi belongs to the undead Uruks.
>>96559007Do you still get the stuff from Shadow of God if you kill her normally?
>>96559007For the empyreality, I assume.
>>96558984Hide myself in a box untill 12th triggers my Vedi and kills me, then makes him commit a humiliation ritual death via Malice because he was a shitter.
>>96559007If I don't spend points then I can't use true love on her>>96559013Nope, it's bait so Charlie can remove your arm/leg gifts
>>96558994It's not JUST Glagoli. Consider: Dobro Xet spitting in Nilmatrix's face before his execution. He was captured alive saving you.
>Never trust an elf>Never trust a fairy>Never trust a majin>Never trust a muddish>Never trust a drakonidAre you the most racist Outsider yet?
>>96559020>100 years of prep timeyou can't malice charlie and you won't be able to malice the uruk
>>96559027The only people I trust are southlander/beastfolk hybrids that look and act like golden retrievers.
>>96559027>Still trusts the muttlanders
>>96559007Honestly my main issue with her is requiring Entramithraic. Going Cosmopolitan would take away way too much, even without abusing common languages like Palatiner for points. Even the measly True Love from Old Northerner becomes too much to give up if it's used.
>>96559027Never trust ANYONE. I am the only real being in existence. The "True" Dragons are a red herring trap lore option to dissuade me from believing this. Luckily I am me, and I cannot be deceived by false "reality".
>>96559037>Anon cannot trust himself>The world is consumed in the war of Anon against himself
>>96559036Tutoring exists for a reason, anon.
>>96559027Never trust anything. The man in the mirror, the shadow on the wall, it's all lies.
>>96559036It costs 1 destiny point to tutor Everman
>>96559027>Never trust a s*uthlander>Never trust a n*rthener>Never trust a t*men>Never trust a kr*sti>Never trust a m*thraic>Never trust a t*mpered>Never trust a w*terman>Never trust a v*shnian>Never trust a c*trine>Never trust a rzh*ite>Never trust a b*astfolk>Never trust an ur*k>Never trust a d*rk elf>Never trust a dw*rf>Never trust an ar*nea>Never trust an o*ze>Never trust a h*lfling>Never trust a gn*me>Never trust a g*ant>Never trust an und*ad>Never trust an emp*rean>Never trust a m*rlock>Never trust a n*ga>Never trust a ph*enixian>Never trust a m*rfolkSIEROGRIVIAN SUPREMACY FOREVER
>>96559041>>96559043I don't have the fucking thing because it's useless outside of Dis if all your other companions have all your other languages. I hate the Esperanto tax to not make Tutoring drive your dp budget through the roof.
>>96559043Even paying 2 to tutor a 1-point language isn't too bad if you don't spam it.
>Uruk Hai are based on LotR movies, where Saruman's Uruk Hai are made from mud>Pixies are based on Touhou pixies, where silly fairies die and respawn casually all the time unlike the other racesTrue Dragons might be inspired by Dagoth Ur? This is less straightforward though
>>96559049>SIEROGRIVIAN SUPREMACY FOREVERTankista refused to make Sierogrivian parent options because he knew we'd unite and bring about a second war of Heaven and Earth
>>96559063>Uruk are based on jobbers>True Dragons are based on a jobberIt's engraved on their very meaning.
>>96559065I hope in the update Unnotable One Sierogrivans and Rhizetes become canon.
>>96559057It costs 2 points to tutor Old Northern.
>>96559076I don't think feel would it would add to the CYOA. It makes the world feel bigger if there's parts you can't directly touch and that are barely elaborated on.
>>96558887>>96558889I absolutely believe now that Tuzik jobbing at 75 was a Rhucuphre-sourced pun spell making his age 75 + his Earth years. [JNPL] naenae'ing him like that doesn't fit her style.
>>96559073I mean, almost all villains in fiction are jobbers, in the sense that stories with heroes and villains tend to be about heroes defeating villains. Even when the main character "is a villain" and "defeats the hero", he is almost always reframed heroically and his villainy is turned to a superficial gloss.
>>96559073Dagoth Ur wasn't a Jobber. He met Nerevar in the end.
>>96559114>RhucuphreAnd just like that we're back to "Rhu did it".I don't deny the possibility though - it DOES clash with JNPL's chill and patient playstyle.
>>96559084The reason for those two specifically is that they're both within the space that you normally could interact with. Like you can literally be born to unnotable ones in the Sierogrivan Basin; it's not a stretch at all to be Sierogrivan.It's fine if the "this is allowed" rule is hidden away in the extra docs to not clutter the main CYOA, but it'd be fun to have the option to be a sierogrivan peasant in the tide, and you're losing nothing.
>>96556215Troll Cock>Patron0^0>PerksTrue LoveExtra MentorBurn the Future x8Outer Tide>FatherThe Horde>RacesUruk>LanguagesSimplified DuergarBenewhisperDrakonianHigh Elven>LocationDragon King’s Most Divine RealmFloatlands in the West>Inborn GiftsBitter SicknessWereplague x2Meandering ThoughtBestial StrengthUnburnt HideBoiling BloodBulletproof SkinSecond WindInhumanityGrim Outlook x3-Can Curse Uruk, 2 more Letters and Gifts, Cry on command.Panarmament x2Witchshot x2Autoantecendence>Mentor0^0-My Beloved…>CompanionsNo Point>EncountersNo Hope>DeathNo Way (Buki)>YouthPower TestingUpliftingTravelingMilitary>AmenoI will take 0^0 by force and make her my wife. Strong female knights are weak to Orc D. Basic plot, easy outcome.Uruk will have guns. Cry on them to make super Uruk. Death letters will usually be Zelo, Zhivete, Yest’, Yee, and Zemlya. Az and Ouk will be experimented with for commander Uruk. Two sets of gifts to the Uruk: Shootah Uruk with Bulletproof Skin, Panarmament x2, and Witchshot x2. Brutal Uruk with Bestial Strength, Unburnt Hide, Boiling Blood, Bulletproof Skin, and Second Wind.Going to swim to Eastern Tsoshu and start conquering. Then swim to Poluden and conquer more. When 0^0 comes to me I will make her my wife.
>uruk aren't sentient>therefore their bodies count as inanimate objects>therefore they can be cursed via grim outlookuruk necromancer buff just dropped
>anon finally defeats 0^0>but after hundreds of dead comrades, the blood of millions on his hands, and many, many morally questionable sacrifices in the name of power, he isn't even a shadow of the man he used to be>the perfect villain for the 12thkino. as. fvck.
>>96559154yeah that would be a problem if I took Greater Yus.But I didn't.
>>96559126It really solidified in my head after realizing in last thread that he was specifically around for the Terrestrial Entente (Rhucuphre's puppet state), and the Entente itself only appeared right around 525 - 510 years ago, just before the Sixth Outsider. The Gods really hammering it down that doing nothing at all is a valid choice makes sense when doing the opposite could've ruined them.
>>96559154Skill issue.
>>96559154Actually I would befriend and fix her.
>>96559164>Terrestrial Entente (Rhucuphre's puppet state)What made you reach that conclusion? IIRC it was just a succession crisis drawn out for decades, no?
>>96559175You can't even befriend Nilmatrix.
>>96559176It's strongly implied to be our mentorly plotter, the jigsaw pieces fit atleast.
>>96559139So, how is world Az dealing with this asshole?
>>96559194Goku cockblocks this build out of world Az.not Uruk Necomancer though
>>96559192Okay, now I see it. The plans within plans and secrecy aspect definitely fits her.
>>96559154This is why you have to sacrifice yourself in a ritual to resurrect JNPL. Secure your position as a Christ figure in the world's mythology, making it impossible to ever write you into the villain role. Then you Yee and get to live happily ever after in the world that you saved.
>>96557912Dang...alright, I'll have to start getting pictures from there now on.>>96558075>>96558124Even now, the core narrative does seem to lean towards JNPL being the "canon choice" for the 11th, but with the recent expansion, the worldbuilding is so vast that it seems like something YMRD would enjoy. V2 greatly expands on the other godesses that, while not making JNPL non-central, definitely gives some balance to the other two.
>>96559231just fake your death and live a quiet life
>>96559265But willingly entering the cycle of reincarnation in order to bring back the goddeess of it, anon. Think of the Meaning! It's gotta be worth AT LEAST 1 SRTR-lifetime of godhood points.
>>96559298jnpl would want you to live to the ripe old age of 55 and peacefully die in your sleep though
What would be the most OP gift to put on a Warmachina?It's basically autoantecedence, but not restricted to body part gifts.Intelligence?
>>96559314Icon of Icons
>>96559314Esurient Walk
>>96559314Grey Wandering, you can get your entire nation randomly lost.
>>96559314Daemonhost. Instant lesser warmachinas.
>>96559314Multiocular O
>>96559314Personally I think Look of Chaos would be incredible. It's already one of the strongest gifts with its x2 effect, on a Greater Warmachina that'll be almost a perfect counter to any other Warmachina, magical designs, or intelligent beings.Entrenchment could also be cool to just stand still and deflect long range artillery, but I think the funniest option is Flowing Gait. Even if people expect a Warmachina to move faster than it looks, absolutely no one is going to be prepared when it starts to parkour on open air and move without making a single sound.
>>96559342>cue Vtorusha screaming foreverY-Yeah...
>>96559302I'll request a switch to C slot so that I can get Ouked by 13 (I'm sitting 12 out, don't want to devalue my Meaning by repeating too quickly)
>>96559347>Entrenchment could also be cool to just stand still and deflect long range artilleryHow strong would Vtorusha's mech be right now if it had entrenchment x2?
>>96559347>Even if people expect a Warmachina to move faster than it looks, absolutely no one is going to be prepared when it starts to parkour on open air and move without making a single sound.I think Eye for Shadows is funnier.Imagine thinking there an earthquake or something, only to briefly see a giant fucking mech out of the corner of your eye before it completely disappears from your sight.
Can Seo make Demonic Undead of Greater Warmachina that can be piloted?
>>96559408Isn't that just Oko Shtorma?
>>96555932Hey, I’ve been away for a while. Have there been any new CYOAs in the past few weeks?>>96555963I’ve been a Creationchad from the start, and I will continue to be one even if the option is nerfed into glowing in the dark and conjuring marshmellows. I just wanna see what my cool CREATION powers can do this edition.
>>96556609I’m still not picking your “mature” option 0w0
>>96559441outer redditcarnationisekai light lorddungeon delver from ordionyeah thats basically it
>>96559427Oko Shtorma is centuries older than that gift.
>>96559441>dungeon delver from ordionWhat? He said he's postponing it because he got a job or something, no?
>>96559457Oh, you don't know?
>>96559457 meant >>96559451
>>96559457>>96559466>past few weeksoh... has it been that long already..?
>>96559451Cheers. Dungeon Delver I know of unless there’s been an update or something. Isekai Light Lord sounds…familiar, need to check. Hasn’t Outer Reincarnation been out for ages?
>>96559314All-Glimpse. That warmachina is like if Cerebro could see the future and the past.
>>96559423Q:>Given that Living Warmachina are unique in how they function, would applying Zemlya to Oko Shtorma provide any notable difference in ability? Personally, I would assume it to function similarly to Zhivete, where the Warmachina dies from the chosen Letter, then gets reanimated/rebooted. Perhaps she would be stuck in a "half-broken" state, if only aesthetically? Maybe become more resilient, but harder to repair?A:>That doesn't seem like Undeath. What does seem like it is a giant robot ghost. Demonic Undeath would still apply, and would probably be the only type of it that could work here.Since Demonic Undeath requires no soul, I would assume that it's theoretically possible to make one.Whether or not you could pilot one is unknown.
>>96559482OR got updated, it's now 19 pages plus 40 or so bonus materials (most of which are maps).
>>96559318The only correct answer. How can anything compare to such a multiplier? Other "intelligent" beings' minds will be closer to monkeys' than to yours. The mysteries of the God-Script will unveil itself to you. A single word from you will cause the rise and fall of nations. The story will revolve entirely around you.
>>96559501So normal Icon of Icons?
>>96559501the mech*The ability is for the warmachina, not you
>>96559501Until everyone stops liking you for being a smug, superior asshole.
Tried to make something on a time limit, it didn't work out very well but it has most of the necessary sections. Would a roll for height/build be excessive?
Rolled 73 + 1 (1d767 + 1)>>96559521YMRD, don’t fail me now
Rolled 441 + 1 (1d767 + 1)>>96559529I messded up :(
Rolled 429 (1d767)>>96559521Very nice!But dice isn't that flexible. It takes 3 posts to roll that
Rolled 1 (1d2)>>96559529>>96559536Oh, nevermind, it just doesn’t let you do that.
Rolled 38, 36, 24, 25, 29, 22, 89, 42, 90, 36, 17, 10, 91, 10, 41, 94, 13, 68, 35 = 810 (19d100)>>96559539(the first roll counts as 1d2, even vs odd)
Rolled 95, 73, 67, 66, 38, 88, 98, 4, 25, 10, 85, 7, 6, 81, 70, 3, 34, 33 = 883 (18d100)>>96559541
>>96559521>>96559539Noted, sorry. The d2 roll can be done by using a d100 then, just it only costs 1 point to switch. Making it a roll of 1d767 and a roll of 19d100(21d100 or 22d100 if rolling for parents).
Rolled 893, 545, 923, 18, 788, 627, 846, 270, 917, 879, 580, 958, 872, 243, 599, 218, 12, 598, 526, 121 = 11433 (20d1000)>>96559521I’ll just round, even if it makes it a pain in the ass later, I’d rather take more like with each option then doing an additional post.
>>96559501>willingly constraining yourself to narrativeslopYou are NOT enlightened.
Rolled 636 (1d767)>>96559559I really thought I could ignore having to roll the location die but no dice. Really should’ve considered the 20% chance or so I’d run into this problem but I forgot YMRD isn’t my patron.
Rolled 83 + 1 (1d767 + 1)>>96559521Esratz 2?Let's roll.
You know what OR race you never see someone just arbitrarily hating on? Beastmen.
Rolled 72, 93, 19, 18, 18, 21, 90, 20, 37, 89, 76, 4, 87, 9, 20, 23, 26, 83 = 805 (18d100)>>96559602>Kingdom of Malkuth, Protectorate of Qliphoth (Stark Hinterlands)>MaleI spawn in the Necromantic zone? Fuck.
>>96559610anons got TAMED by beastwoman pussy
>>96559610Of course not. They are prime thoroughbreeding stock.
>LocationMalkuth: Protectorate of Qliphoth (stark hinterlands)>SexMale>RaceHuman, Northerner>LanguagesSalian>StationPoor>VocationPetty Criminal>GiftsWading Flight +1 = Ethereal BeautyIntelligence +2 = Spiritual FeelAttentiveness +3 = Caster IntuitionI may be a poorfag and a petty criminal, as well as a Salian Only Peasant (SOP), but with spiritual feel + caster intuition I can become a legendary mage. Ethereal beauty will also make scamming people easier. Sucks to give up Intelligence and Attentiveness but whateverI’m too lazy to change any of my other rolls
Rolled 735 (1d767)>>96559521Alright lets roll
Rolled 43, 72, 50, 99, 54, 10, 94, 99, 56, 12, 44, 6, 25, 70, 66, 49, 45, 30, 22 = 946 (19d100)>>96559641
>deus ex MACHINA>warMACHINACoincidence? I think not.
Rolled 671 (1d767)>>96559521
Rolled 11, 84, 90, 37, 95, 57, 99, 51, 81, 91, 6, 31, 20, 92, 56, 48, 42, 7, 68, 88 = 1154 (20d100)>>96559658>>96559521
>>9655961272, 93, 19, 18, 18, 21, 90, 20, 37, 89, 76, 4, 87, 9, 20, 23, 26, 83>Kingdom of Malkuth, Protectorate of Qliphoth (Stark Hinterlands)>Male>Human, Tumen (73)>Languages: Everman, Palatiner, Greenspeech,Salian (93 (18, 21, 90), 19, 18)>Poor. On the lower end of normal. (20)>Farmer (37)>(89, 76, 4, 87, 9) SKIPPED >Gifts: Overstep, Dream Passage, Kneeling Twilight (20, 23, 26) (Ignored for the TRUE UNNOTABLE EXPERIENCE)So a poor farmer in the middle of Bumblefuck, Malkuth. I always lived in big cities, so this rural lifestyle will be exotic to me. I wonder if I can have an undead horse/donkey. He would never tire so the maintenance is easier.
>>96559610They don’t do anything thoughKeter was a beastman and she gets dunked on all the time
>>96559695They've had several civilizations, they've all just been shit on and torn to pieces and turned into tribals the humans absorbed by now.
>>96559521So does this little guy being formed here have my memories? He shouldn't, I think, but is there a chance?
>>96559741It's perfectly fine to use it as that, and intended to be an option. The character section for SRTR-ing NPCs isn't even added yet.
>>96559728If Kita is any indication, the Tsoshu beastfolk seem to still have civilization. There are cities on the map and no beastfolk camps, but the providence is overwhelmingly beastfolk in population.
>>96559539>>96559547I will draw a picture of this.But first I will need to buy a new mousepad, because the previous mouse pad broke and started bleeding a black tar-like sticky substance (????)
>>96559658>>96559669>671Principality of Stygia>11Male>84Dark Elf, Morganic>37, 95->99+1->100, 57Simplified Duergar, Fay, Late Thulean>91+9->100Very Wealthy>6Dei's Courtier, High Noble>42-9->33, 7+6->13, 68+2->70Intelligence, Stigmata, Deathless GraspVery wealthy chad here. Giving Dei an indirect channel to [SRTR] would be interesting.
>>96559788You can only really halfway count them since the Empire owns them now.
>>96558828I had a lot of people dogpiling my build too, but partially because I didn't fully understand the orc encounters. Apparently that is meant to replace your companions, and a few anons were calling me a readlet, even though there were people that came much longer after them that were still asking how the fuck the encounter system worked. The way the encounter system is written is pretty confusing, because while it's fairly straightforward once you understand it, it's confusing at first due how the fact that it directly contradicts things written earlier on in the CYOA, and you just have to know that things that come later can overwrite stuff from the earlier pages.>>96558815Assuming Nilmatrix only comes towards the end of your journey (as was stated in her encounter), I think I've got a decent...ish plan at beating her. It relies heavily on "nah, I'd win"-ing it and the assumption I'd have a good enough combination of enough skill + disposable bodies to throw at her at that point, but if I play my cards right, it's probably doable. I suppose the real question comes in exactly how powerful she is, given that no one can seem to really give a straight answer on the specific power levels of OR, so I can't really develop any tactical countermeasures and simply assume it's a standard fantasy, meaning I can Dark Souls/Elden Ring her if I just try hard enough. Basically what >>96558966 said. Essentially a smaller scale version of what I intend to do with Charlie.
>>96559356Another build made after coping over not being able to Tenyota Daemonhost, goodbye and fuck you Escher. Coalesced after trying to make a speedrun build and failing, seeing Dark Lord of Doria kinda sucking at being an actual Lord, realizing that nobody has done something neat with the Old Throne itself, and meant to pair with the Tumen Goddess (>>96555245) from the last thread, but does work as a background factor for any other build.>Name Tverso Ordo-Dorian>Patron[JNPL] >Perks Halfbreed, Adoption x 2, True Love, Dice Fudge, Extra Companions x 4>Parents [JNPL] -> Jdan Ordo-Dorian <3 Rhucuphere-from-Maeve>RaceMuddish - Elven, Eldar>Languages Everman, Auburn, Benewhisper, Simplified Duergar, Quietened (Nymphe, High Elven, Late Thulean)>Locations Umbral Shores >Gifts Wereplague x 2 (Serpent), Missed Shape (Leg), Ethereal Beauty, Thoroughbreeding, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Sight Beyond Sight x 3, Overflowing Pupil, Multiocular O, Autoantecedence, Dream Passage >Mentors Leimeie, Herleva (True Love), Seo >Companions Oko Shtorma>Encounters All The Uruks. By Design (Oko Shtorma), Immortal Coils of Intrigue (Any [Everrising City], Herleva), Respawning Point (Stygia, Leimeie {}), Wine Is Thicker Than Water ([Bastionaria], Seo), Remember The Demon (Any [Kingsmour], Leimeie {Dobro}) >Death Greater Yus (Tverso), Sha (Rhucuphre), Shta Zhivete (Jdan), Yat Yee (Leimeie), Glagoli Zemlya (Seo)>YouthParental Support, Leadership Training, Daemonhunt, Nothing>QuestHumilitas
>>96559969Bit of a slow thread as well, so going to post the fabricated story for this build. Do you see the vision? Jdan's weird tendencies post-Enthronement gets explained as him falling for the worst person to get access to the Old Throne. They then find this weird and ominous kid in their honeymoon cabin's porch and because he kinda looks like Jdan, they adopt him as family, and presumably declare him heir (Shta) at some point. Jdan is busy being a king most of the time, but his Elvish consort has all the time in the world to teach this kid the works. Became a mother (Sha) in some way. Anyway, skip a whole childhood, several Uruk encounters solved by spotting them first because the kid's been Sight beyond Sight'ing everything for the past couple under-10 years, and a Wereplague treatment done by the suspiciously knowledgeable Elvish consort. The kid naturally seems to resonate with Zemlya, and while the consort knows "some" tricks with it, she sends the kid to the Daemonhunt so she gets more "time" for herself. The kid's (Caster Intuition + Spiritual Feel) earns the higher ups' attention and a certain Archivarius-General hits it off with the kid. Skip a couple more years and several Uruk encounters, which the kid has magic to deal with now along with his inborn Gifts, and a visit to the Eclipse's capital would "accidentally" involve the kid with some Qlippothian business, the kid's "secret identity" as child and heir to the Old Throne being used against him by a certain Lich, which the certain Lich would feel shame later because the kid's been nothing but a clear and transparent good Daemonhunt initiate. Anyway, these Unliving ones get dissolved real fast, nobody wants em, but unknown to everyone, the kid's "secret" tricks, taught by his "mother", he got his hands on some of them books, real nice books. Still, the kid's, not even a kid anymore, the heir's been a nice support party member, and who wouldn't teach a little Necromancy to someone like that?
>>96559973Somewhere around here and to the past, the heir did a whole lot of nothing, and met an Eye of the Storm. Yadda, yadda. No reason whatsoever, heir's on Bastionaria for some duty, then Wine Is Thicker Than Water occurs. The heir gets access to the trick for demonic undeath, gets a certain contact to Stygia that may or may not arrange for the resurrection of a certain Archivarius-General as the years take its toll on her in a letter most familiar to her. A whole lot of demon lord ruins' scouting is now backed by the Old Throne, and the heir's there to supervise it, and certainly not to get his grubby hands on lost magic lore. Tun's Pokoy gets stolen, but can anyone really beat a Sight Beyond Sight that practically watches over all of Doria? It's a good ingredient for his eventual lichdom, but that'll come later. Then, the heir returns home, Jdan's making him Regent after Geminara ran away for some crush she has, and the heir sat on the Old Throne.
>>96559979Then, he woke up. Seems like he fell asleep here after traveling to Stygia at some point, or maybe he didn't? Or maybe it was when he was just a toddler, carried here for the Old Throne formally announced his birth. Who knows? (Greater Yus)After this, things get blurry. The Tide comes and go, just deal with whatever's dreamt up. Nobody will think the Heir-Regent's that notable. He's just one of those sit-on-a-throne all day Old Throne Regents. Nothing out of the ordinary. Bit unresponsive, seems like his mind is somewhere sometimes, but you wouldn't think that for too long. The servants of the Seat and the deeper parts of the Palace are strange these days, and one can blame the Heir for his questionable management, but they're very effective. The Heir might wander around sometimes, remind himself of what he had seen of Arcadia in his many years, but that's just a usual mood that afflicts anyone sitting on the Old Throne. It's what happens. When you have no future, all you have to turn to is the past. It's a wheel stuck in place and sometimes, you have to wonder, is this really what's left? Sometimes, you have to wonder, why can't you just rewrite them both, present and future, with the past, and so make the wheel spin forward once more. It's not a work that can be done in a century, not with all the responsibilities that the Heir must take up in war with the storm approach, but maybe, with enough dreams, the first rebel can be awoken once more, and be made undying. Who else can do this but he who was born from she who was dead? (https://youtu.be/eTg2JEbaL1E?t=4105)Anyhow, couldn't fit Sight Beyond Sight Autoantecedence there. Bit too [SRTR] to be made relevant in the story. "Your sight continues on even in your dreams, and your mind grows stronger as you grasp with all that you see. Your point of view is far more loose, and attaches itself to perspectives that you seek and understand."
>>96559969Meant to be >>96556215.
>>96559969>>96559990And, forgot to->PerksOuter Tide
>>96559969That's a lot of words for no way to handle all the Uruk Encounters.
>>96560020>Sight Beyond Sight, Overflowing Pupil>Rhucuphre>The Second SeatNah I'd win
>>96557034I'm happy that Languid revisted the premise of A Price to Pay, and gave us cheaper pact options. The apocalyptic war idea was cool, and there are a couple of enemies that I'd like to challenge (Arete and Episteme), but the high pact prices and power levels of the final enemies made it a little grim for my taste.(Fun fact - Dull Troupe, Inherited Bloodlines, and Colosseuem at the Edge of Reality also exist in this setting.)
>>96559969>LeimeieExpress ticket to the later worlds.
>>96560058I was going to say that it should be able to stay in Yest', since it's replacing Escher and the other ones in that world are only using 2-4 characters, but it's actually got conflicts with both of the other Yest'-ers.
>>96559521>>96559641>>96559647Rolled 735 (1d767)Rolled 43, 72, 50, 99, 54, 10, 94, 99, 56, 12, 44, 6, 25, 70, 66, 49, 45, 30, 22 = 946 (19d100)735 - Archaia, Mamet Interior, Tribe of Esuia43>42 - Female72 - Human Tempered50 - N/A99 - General Languages Subtable54 - Benewhisper10 - Benewhisper94 - Drakonian99 - N/A56 - N/A12 - Poor44 - Farmer6 - N/A 25 - N/A70 - N/A66 - N/A49 - N/A45>37 - Caster Intuition30>35 - Spiritual Feel22>12 - StigmataMy parents were Tempered Humans from what is now known as the Naga Autocephaly of West Mamet. They were from a simple Human tribe north of Tzethian who were pushed out of their homes after the Boiling Tribesland Naga went mad and attacked the Human tribes for Lifespan Reaving. My parents fled east to the Ruins of Zthe and made rafts to cross the Weaving Sea Shores to try their luck in Archaia after hearing of the generosity of the new Queen. They arrived in the Tribe of Esuia's Mage Cult Temple and worked as poor farmers. I was born there.A Drakonid priestess named Pukluxun noticed the Stigmata on my hands and decided to make me an acolyte of the Mage-Cult Temple. The Esuian Mage-Cult Temple was eccentric in that they were inspired by the Old Throne and followed a local variant of Befallen Eparchy that believes the Elder Gods intentionally want mortals to overthrow them due to how often they repeat storylines of Outsiders rising up against the Gods. They recognized the Stigmata of SRTR and decided to make me Prophet of their cult so they could receive SRTR's blessings and rise to prominence so that one day they could challenge SRTR herself for her pillar. Pukluxun in particular feels pity for other mortals and wants to uplift them via the mage-cult. As to whether any of this is true I won't comment much since SRTR always laughs my questions off saying she's not YMRD but the mage-cult's methods do result in the building up of worldy divinity within ourselves that we draw upon to cast spells.(1/4)
>>96560140It's a misconception to say all Mage-Cults are monstrous True Dragon aspirates who commit mass human sacrifice to achieve worldly godhood. There are other mage-cult methods, like metaphorical rituals that don't involve anything dark or spooky at all. The Esuian Mage-Cult went for metaphorical rituals that imbues Meaning within yourself by accomplishing great deeds inspired by heroes and villains of the past. My Stigmata meant I could serve as a stand-in for SRTR for our rituals, greatly improving the amount of Meaning accumulated per trial due to a Goddess presiding over them. Esuian magic was similarly imitative like the Dark Clericalism of the Befallen Eparchy, though ours was more long term focused on permanent changes to our spirit and body based on the deeds we successfully imitated. Many of the older cultists bear animalistic traits for feats of monster hunting while the younger ones bear Empyrean features for fighting the Ecumene's Empyreals. Our spells were mostly offensive, things like Drakesbreath or Empyreanblade. Our rituals did lead to many injuries and even deaths, the Mage-Cult was not able to uplift the masses effectively like Pukluxun would've wanted only those with Inborn Gifts. Pukluxun is often disatisfied with this state of affairs but I encouraged her to remain to work with the cult since I saw her as a mother and didn't want her to leave me and for all the cult's faults at least it didn't engage in atrocities against mortals like the True Dragon derived cults.(2/4)
>>96560144The development of my worldly godhood began to stall after I mastered hunting Mamet's wildlife and dueling against fellow acolytes so I, Pukluxun and some acolytes decided to join Archaia's military to serve as an elite mage platoon under the command of General Reks. The good General has a terrible reputation of incompetence or cowardice but his tenacity in always rising after defeat is praiseworthy. He always plans around the possibility of failure, keeps reserves and knows when to withdraw, which is often mistaken for incompetence but is very practical in practice and more importantly keeps us alive. The Esuians served as the good General's right hand, shedding much blood and feathers from the Ecumene. The General had a knack for setting up kill zones where we pitilessly slaughter the Empyreans even as they revive themselves until they could no longer do so. The imitative qualities of our magic eventually granted us a form of Numerology after we killed enough Empyreans which worked well with the General's calculating strategies. SRTR whispers in my dreams every night, granting me much advice for war and warping my sense of humor beyond recognition.After the recapture of the Mother of Cities, my duties shifted from the military into the political as I find myself representing the Tribe of Esuia at court. The Queen of Kings is wise but young and proud, overwhelmed by the amount of bickering between the various Archaians, savages and mage-cultists. Neither I or Pukluxun were very suited to the court. We protected the interests of Esuia but could not influence the court beyond that. Things all changed when I met Zhuchka. (3/4)
>>96560146Zhuchka latched onto me and the Esuian Mage-Cult like cat to catnip. My role as Prophet was always more of a figurehead and idol representing SRTR in rituals but she wants to turn it into an actual cult of personality. She started spreading sermons and prophecies about me as some centerpiece figure of her religion and got many to start praying to me. My worldy godhood and Meaning skyrocketed, though the monstrous and empyrean features I had dissapeared due to the humanocentric view of Zhuchka's religion. I had to force her into working Queen Simka and Archaia into the religion before the proud Queen began to look at me like Herod. A military or courtly posting was awkward after that so I signed up to be the Kingdom of Kingdoms' ambassador to Doria to work out an Anti-Ecumene treaty with the various Dorian countries.SRTR gleefully speaks to me in my dreams of how my life so far is just a prologue compared to what I will live through in Doria. I shudder at the implication but can do nothing but steel my will for the journey ahead. Perhaps I should have stayed an Unnotable One, but a fateful death beats dying on a farm anyday.(4/4)The RYOAs pretty fun. I ended up writing far more for this than for my build for the actual cyoa.
>>96557056Yeah there's really no way for you to survive some of them with just these elemental powers, even if you go full tard and let them turn you into an insensate invalid.
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>>96560286Bugfucker...
>>96558174Are people desperate to use both types of point, Ap are mostly spend on gifts, yes you can spend them all on something else if you try but they are mainly for gifts.
Rolled 442 (1d767)>>96559521SRTR PLEASE BLESS ME!
Rolled 1 (1d2)>>96560352
>>96560349Greed is a powerful thing.
>>96560355>MaleThanks SRTR
Rolled 85, 99, 53, 52, 5, 52, 53, 81, 99, 86, 25, 55, 62, 83, 59, 28, 97, 21 = 1095 (18d100)>>96560355>>96560357messed up the roll
