Previous Thread: >>96553376>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Which existing effect(s) do you wish you could have in the command zone?
i need to build a johnnyslop deck
>>96562856TQ: a counterspell
>>96562856>TQas far as effects in the command zone, I'd prefer seeing more effects with downsides you have to mitigateTheres been too much "give the people what they want" going on and I'd like to see some lower power more finicky commandersIm working on flubbs right now, its been fun. Im aware there have been some cedh attempts at the deck but Im purposefully not looking at other decklists. Its been fun if a bit frustrating.
>>96562867Untap things, my friend.
>>96562867What is with retards and just putting slop into any word/phrase at this point? it doesn't even mean anything in this context.
>>96562885I didn't so much mean it as a lightning/metal-tier "enlightenment", more that airbending itself is already at the point where you can do so much more with air alone. There's not much narrative room for a more refined/weaponized subdiscipline when it's already able to kill people as much as lightning is and fuck with someone's internals like blood can. Gyatso alone was able to kill at least a dozen Fire Nation soldiers.
>>96562856>Which existing effect(s) do you wish you could have in the command zone?Enigmatic Incarnation would be cool but I'll take basically any simic enchantress at this point
>>96562856>TQ: Which existing effect(s) do you wish you could have in the command zone?Give me actual uses/wincons for discard and not just "being a dick for the sake of doing so"
>>96562867Im trying to think, how exactly could a johhny deck be considered slop? As soon as it starts relying on too much obvious tech, its no longer johnnyAs soon as it just relies on generating resources for a big payoff its timmy
>>96562985what do you consider non-obvious tech
>>96562978Discard is primarily black, just tutor The Rack, Rackling, etc.
>>96562988That's an excellent question. I'm having a hard time explaining it succinctly. Ill tell ya what its not. Its not going on edhrec, taking the 25 most common cards, throwing the best lands, ramp card draw and removal. Then going through youtube shorts of combos and putting them in too. My friend does that. Lol
>>96563066>we could have more discard payoffs>Hey dont ya know you can just tutor instead!No shit, dumbass. Do you people even read the thread or do you just skim for words and phrases and make up the rest of post in your mind?
>>96562978but og tinybones has a discard wincon on him
>>96563120nta but also tergrid if you want to get killed irl
>>96562823It was banned after 4 seconds for some mention of artwork having to be posted by original artist.Although I don't think it unlikely it being a cover up for the reasons you gave.I wanted it to be Terminus instead of Soul Stone, because, as I understand it, that would be the more popular option, as Terminus of Return kinda let's you guess what the card does and it fits into MTG flavor better than Marvel.In any case: Fuck 'em. I thought I'd give back to the community after using a Bloodborne proxy from reddit but I guess they don't want it.
>>96563130Yeah she's too brutal in the command zone, and I find hard to fit into the 99
just add the omenpath versions on mtgprintJUST ADD THEM IIIIIN
>>96563120>we need morethere are PLENTY of discard payoffs and even discard payoffs for the command zone, you're just kind of a fag, anon. Tergrid, Syr Konrad, Raven Man. Then you're already in black, so if you want even MORE payoffs you can fuckin' tutor them up if you don't want to run others. Christ, anon, we have TONS of discard support and I just named 3 super strong commanders that let you run it smoothly and mono-color.
I do not exist.
>>96563168>PLENTYIt's my wish and I say there could be more but hey at least this time you knew we were talking about the command zone and not the 99! Baby step!
>>96563221>t-there still needs to be more2 different tinybones, anon. Actually stop trying to make cancer because you're an indecisive bitch.
I do not exist (as a commander).
>>96563228>trying to make cancerOh so that's where the asshurt is coming fromGet mind twisted lmao
>>96563240>this defensive when he was thoroughly proven wrongok
>>96562974I'm willing to bet that Gyatso lured all those fire nation soldiers in and then just vacuumed the entire room no matter if they were comet-powered, no air means no fire also would have meant Gyatso would have needed to keep a vacuum that was choking the life out of him going up until the moment he died but that's monk determination for you
>>96563247>you can prove a wish wrong
>UB proxies of a UW version of a UB cardNow this is metamagicing
>>96562978>Tinybones (two)>Green Goblin (three)>Tergrid>Syr Konrad>Hashaton (self-discard)>Aclazotz>Kefka>The Raven Man>Xu-Ifityou're just not looking hard enough, anon.
>>96563292I demand more official anime alts of cards like WOE gave. I need to annoy everyone at my table with a kawaii deck.
>>96563290You can show its already been granted :D
> show up to Game Knights> play bracket 1 "cards I designed" tribal> run proxies which dont even have the correct text> say "I designed this card" every time a card is played
I fucking hate how mind rotten this general is. You all say you hate playing and hate your fellow players and looking at your posts, it's easy to see why; you are all miserable fuckers.
Is the anon from the Borderlands 4 general in here? You posted a screenshot and your second monitor was visible. It had the art from Surgical Extraction.
>>96563292Omenpaths should've been a 100% anime set. And then they should print it. And then they could've not done Spiderman. Would probably make more money.
>tqMake it WOTC you fucking cowards
>>96563831It's called Orvar. Now go play it you stupid fag.
>>96563848Not really seeing the connection
>>96563831i look and act like this
>>96563848>the card you want is this card that has nothing in common with the card you wantGreat post Anon, you're really contributing to the thread!
>>96563627based egomaniac
>>96562856A guy that grants Cipher to sorceries.>all sorcs you cast get cipher>cost of sorcs is increased by 2 but also reduced by X, with X being some kind of expected hoop to jump through like the number of rogues you control.>maybe some kind of lighter evasion ability OR an ability to make tokens with a good evasion ability like shadow/unblockable
>>96563831Is the Progenitor Ooze the closest to it we actually have so far? Even if it's a bunch of clones at once rather than exponentially more clones over the course of a game like Homunculus Horde is.
>>96563739I honestly don't know how people stand it here.I enjoy ygo and digi too and as much as people want to meme that those games are dead or whatever at least it's enjoyable in those threads. This thread without hiding posts would be insufferable.
>>96563877>I want to make copies of [thing]make a copy of Orvar you drooling retard. We have a billion "except it isn't legendary" cards now, so you can cast a single spell and get like 10 islands or 9 more of your nonlegendary copies, etc. Put even the tiniest amount of work in, mouthbreather.
>>96563739>>96564054>Just don't be miserable watching that thing you loved and cherished be fucked like a $2 whore by a conga line of slop intellectual properties bro >Just be happy it's dead and everything you have to look forward to is a joke compared to what was There's no going back, this shit and all the rest is now as canon to Magic the Gathering as Urza or Theros or the Eldrazi, it's a joke, we exist to advertise other IP's now instead of play magic the gathering games
>>96564128This is a severely mentally ill post. >s-stop doing cool things that obviously everyone (except for less than 50 people on 4chan) want!!>NOOOOOOOO MY PRECIOUS IP IS RUINED BECAUSE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET DID SOMETHING I DIDNT LIKEThe real funny part is that you actually mention Theros, Urza, and the Eldrazi all in the same sentence as if Theros isn't literally greekslop knockoff garbage with no conceivable plot and fucking Eldrazi are one of the most shoehorned, poorly made, worst plot devices in the history of the game. You are a fucking joke and a caricature of an actual fan.>AAAAAAAAAAA IF IT SAYS MTG ON IT IT'S BASED BUT IF IT DOESN'T IT'S BAD!!!>I LOVE AETHERDRIFT BROSDie.
>>96564128How about you.... play a different game? sitting there acting like a martyr because you're mad doesn't make anyone's life better, especially not your own.
got too close to the water's edge
UGIN AND BOLAS ARE HAVING GAY SEX
>>96564128Tranny mindset. Genuinely obsessed with shit that you can straight up ignore.
>>96562978>It's not enough that ripping cards out of your opponents' hand is one of the strongest effects in the game, now I also need to be further rewarded for it with resources of my own!You realize Tergrid WAS the discard payoff, right? You know how that went?
how do we break this?
>>96564226nta but discard places you at a disadvantage resources-wiseyou're paying cards and mana just to take away cardsdiscard is good because it's black's way of interacting with stuff before it hits the battlefield (and things that it has very few ways to deal with in colour, like artifacts), not because discard is inherently advantageous. The decks need payoff because it's not good enough on its own- Tergrid was just overtuned, not an argument against the concept of command zone discard payoff.>>96564256literally just play it
>>96564084Fuck you're genuinely stupid lmao
>>96564264Also the fact that the best discard cards spend 1 mana to take the best card away from your opponent while also providing you information on the contents of their whole hand? i.e. an effect so good it's turbobanned in every other card game?
>>96564304i've never even noticed the fucking prosthetic claw until now that i enlarged that pic on my screen. WotC is so inclusive, they even feature "indestructible" crippled squirrels
>>96564292Yes, the best discard cards you spend 1 mana and 1 card (and sometimes life) to take 1 card away from 1 opponent. This doesn't develop a resource advantage for you even in 1v1 formats, let alone edh.As for hand knowledge, a good magic player is supposed to be able to read what their opponent has in hand from the way they're playing and knowledge of the deck they're playing anyway. Discard is not particularly different to stack interaction, and is in some ways worse- a countered spell already had mana spent on it.
commanders for this feel?
>>96564342you can destroy the squirrel, but not the idea
>>96564348>As for hand knowledge, a good magic player is supposed to be able to read what their opponent has in handThis is literally cope that people used in YGO up until the day Appointer of the Red Lotus got banned and people realized "Wow this card actually was fucking broken because it turns out that knowing what options are possible is very different from knowing what options are right there at that very second with 100% certainty." Even Git Probe was banned in every format (but commander hehe) because it turns out players aren't actually psychic and hand knowledge is extremely valuable even at the top level where players """should""" be reading their opponent.The thing that separates discard and spot removal (including counterspells) is that the discard is proactive. You don't need to know what's in your opponent's hand before you just shotgun it and hit their literal best possible option. With removal you don't know what possible follow-up there is. Even if they're tapped out you could get clowned by FoW. A discard takes away all that nuance in favor of showing you literally every possible option your opponent had and removing their best one.
Maybe instead of making more decks I should just optimize the 3 I already have. Financially it's the smart move imo.I only end up playing with like 2 decks on game nights anyways.
>>96564128The 2nd replies to poster here.I'm not refering to anything to do with UB. I'm talking about the constant bitching between posters and their opinions. It's like reddit in here where there's a constant need to Erm-Acktually every post.Like you right here, there was nothing about UB and you felt the need to chime in with some random unrelated shit. You're one of the people I have problems with around here.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96563739I like fun, I'm just easily baited.
>>96564443And commander damage should also be changed/removed.
>>96564376Yugioh isn't magic, anon. Different games are affected differently by the same basic idea. You should understand this.Besides, git probe was busted because it's a free spell that replaces itself, and it's 0 mana spells that are busted inherently, not hand knowledge. There's a reason that discard decks aren't dominating any relevant format and generally haven't done historically. Discard may well be proactive, but from a resources perspective it simply does not matter, you're still going down resources. And other interaction (usually) puts you up on resources. Sure, you don't know what the follow-up might be, but you know if the consequences of not interacting with something are acceptable to you. If the opponent has follow-up and you don't have more interaction, so what? The first thing was already unacceptable, so having two things you needed to interact with was going to fuck you either way you did it. And by the way, the same logic applies to discard effects; you can take away all the cards you like but if and when they draw into something good you eat shit because you don't develop your own advantage by playing discard spells.
>>96564461Killing someone with commander damage should end the game for the whole table
>>96564469Man I've been saying this for like 10 goddamned years. It should be an accomplishment
>>96564477>>96564469why? its fucking easy to focus kill one player as is, especially if you arent going last. no need to reward this with an insta win
>>96564505Ending the game without a combo is becoming increasingly uncommon and increasingly boring.
>>96564443>>96564461What rules do you hate/want to see changed?i think its stupid we cant just run any basic land hower we want - they are exempt from the singleton rule anyways.just let me cripple my landbase to make Radha work
>>96562856>TQMayhem Devil! >>96562956You can have that.
>>96564505>its fucking easy to focus kill one player as isIt's fucking easy to tutor for an infinite combo and win by like T4, so fucking what?
>>96564517There are SO many cards that work for this and give land types, holy shit anon you're so fucking stupid.
>>96564516hard to beat a combo "i win now" button in boredom
>>96562856>TQGive me this bad motherfucker
>>96564517Color identity is the only thing keeping cmdr from being just another 4c highlander format It needs to be protected at all costs
>>96564528Thats what i just said
>>96564463Yes I'm sure that's why Thoughtseize is played in every black deck at 4 copies whenever possible including Legacy. Because it's actually just a bad card and you're actually just losing resources.Meanwhile Street Wraith is seeing no play despite having the allegedly busted part of Git Probe on it, the 0 mana cantrip.Hand knowledge is probably one of the most powerful things you can have in a card game, and taking away the best possible option on top of that is absurd. You know exactly how much can be 100% safely committed on your turn the moment you know what's in your opponent's hand. You don't need to make them have the Daze when you were literally told they don't have it and your Thoughtseize sniped their FoW.>B-But they might topdeck it!Weird cope to say that making your opponent hellbent is actually bad because they might draw a playable. More cards in your hand is fundamentally more possibilities and discard reduces that in a completely braindead way.
>>965645172 free mulligans instead of one.
>>96564292That's why I love these little fellas. This guy was the best when you could bounce their commander to their hand and tuck it to the bottom of their library.
>>96564526>single digit amount + 2 land slots that can copy anything is "SO many"you are demonstrably retarded
>>96564577One paris and nothing else
>>96564605some weirdo friend and his playgroup do draw 10 and put 3 back. they do this to supposedly speed up the mulligan progress, which imo doesnt even take that long
>>965645171x "free" partial Paris, no additional mulligans.
>>96563739You are right, but on the other hand this place is very honest and i appreciate that
>TQPic rel exactly word for wordNo "combat damage", no "once per turn", no "finality counter" garbage. Just exactly this guy. I'd even settle for the exact same Statline, just make this EXACT thing a commander.
>>96564600nta but i had her and that amount is akshually quite enough. you are just 3 basic land types short of having full domain, any more of these effects in the deck and you have too much redundancy
>>96564557>>discard isn't broken>SO YOU'RE SAYING DISCARD IS BAD?!!?111?!1This is your last (You), learn to read before posting on this websitep.s. street wraith sees no play because it doesn't do anything and cycling doesn't count as playing a spell
>>96564653Based Sun Titan enjoyer.
>>96564380When I first got into Commander I went nuts and built 12 decks. Long term I've wound up maining 4.
>>96564653i feel like finality counters are just WotCs incompetent way to have some legends with at least some sort of drawback.in reality, the finality counter barely even matters at all, because the legends that come with that "drawback" are super strong anyways
Realized I have, somehow, avoided making a deck with green in it since I returned to magic. None of my five decks use green at all. I used to play Riku of Two Reflections back in the day.What should I make for green, whether mono or part of identity?>TQ:Spell redirection. I don't believe any commanders exist that let you do that.
>>96564656>Discard is broken in YGO, Pokemon, Lorcana, Digimon, and Hearthstone>"W-Well those games aren't Magic!">It's broken in Magic too because multiple cards are banned for discard focus and the best legal one is in every deck that can run it because it's such a powerful effect. A card that just gave hand info with no discard was banned because of how powerful it was.>"I DIDN'T SAY IT WASN'T GOOD. I JUST SAID IT WASN'T BROKEN!!! HERE'S YOUR LAST (YOU)! I'M NOT MAD!"I swear to god black mana is a corrupting force that makes you clinically retarded whenever you touch it. This color has never dropped below the #2 powerlevel since the game's inception yet black players still find ways to claim oppression when Thoughtseize isn't also generating them resources.
>>96562856>TQjust kidding i like it to be a surprise
>>96564682Jund it.I made a slapped together Maarika deck and so far out of 5 games it's only lost once after one-shotting with Commander Damage, and making the other player scoop. The deck I lost to was a Vampire deck that ramped out of fucking control because everyone was too busy messing with me.
>>96564656Cycling thins your deck.
>>96564463>you can take away all the cards you like but if and when they draw into something good you eat shitAnon really thinks card in deck > card in handIt's fucking millschizo
I'm just not enjoying this game with random at lgs anymore. >tempt with mayhem a x=15 finale of revelation>no one copies it. counter the original after my copy resolves>everyone pissed and whiney with 1-3 cards in hand despite the offer being the only removal I've played this game>squirrel player has that shakey spiteful voice and demands I mill after not reading a card >whick makes a 10/10 snail, sacs it to hit everyone for 10 >I return the favor/fork it/display of power and copy the triggers, dealing 40 to everyone>'your deck is so cancer'
>>96564715learn to revel in their suffering, anon
>>96564682your list really lacks stompy, and picrel issa classic like that other anon said, Jund is also very nice, and for i reccomend Henzie. It was a precon and he is just fucking fun
>>96564688Thoughtseize is a fair card. Pic related is not. Learn the difference it could save your life.
>>96564715over the years ive learned that most lgs randoms really do just want to goldfish their decks uninterrupted every game and anything else is "unfun"
>>96564732Yes I'm sure it was the free aspect that broke it and not the fact you could keep investing into it.
>>96564715based red mage throwing their shit back at their faces i fucking love Return the Favor so much its unreal. might be my single favorite card from recent years
>>96564653Carmen is about as close as you can get to that I think. No enter the battle trigger does make her less versatile but she also increases the range of what she brings back so that's at least an interesting trade off.
>>96564715I fucking love using red redirects. And yeah, sounds like you got a bad hand dealing with a bunch of whiny faggots. Which is prone to happen when meeting random people. Not much you can do about it besides build your own group.
>>96564698They seem pretty cool. Mostly using fight effects/voltron, I imagine?>>96564723They seem very simple to make but very fun to play. I do have a collection of big green/red dudes in my binder i could toss together for him.
>>96564762Haste is my favorite keyword and it alone makes creatures so much more fun. Picrel is my favorite iteration for stompy
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>>96564791wew lad
>>96564762No Voltron really outside of some Instants. She does a lot on her own already. Good amount of Fight cards - but I could use more. This deck is made from random packs, so I could get singles to improve it or just get lucky with random boosters.
What I'd give for a 4/4 GGBB version of this card
>>96564653I would say this Is an easy rule 0, go for it
>>96564653Hell yeah.
>>96564827something about stupid expensive commanders is just sexy to me
>Can't play even casual matches without some neckbeard bringing up recent political eventsI don't give as shit about what you think please can we play magic.
Just bought this guy for like 23€, he's pretty good but idk why he has to be priced like a game changer
>>96564741The only time I saw this guy, he dumped lotus bloom early What a guy
>>96564851good stax pieces are all expensive and he's a good stax piece that synergises with vampire decks, which are popular
>>96564851cheap creatures that do a lot and are relatively new will cost a bit.especiall if they are good in 1v1
>>96564860>>96564870Yeah I suppose it makes sense if non-vampire stax decks want him too.Btw, do you guys know why this guy is considered so good? I've had him recommended at my LGS for my vampire deck but i don't really see why a better blood artist is worth 6 mana.
>>96564846Sorry anon, this is called socializing. It doesn't get easier.
>Run no game changers>Run no extra turns>Run no cheap tutors>Every time I play a deckNO ONE WANTS TO PLAY AGAINST YOUR NEAR CEDH DECK!!!!! Now here is my extra combats commander that wins on turn 3.It's always the real uneducated older neckbeard populace whining about fucking everything.
>Is it okay if I play my jank deck with your precons? It's pretty rough>shits out Thopters and artifact creatures/items every single turn>proceeds to hit me for 35 damage on turn 3 after countering everything I've done aside from play lands and draw cardsBlue players are why slurs exist.
>>96564928>on turn 3didn't happen
>>96564897Think of it not as a better blood artist, but as TWO BLOOD ARTISTS in one card. Which it is. And it's on a reasonably well-statted flier that's hard to remove for a lot of decks, unlike blood artist's "get pinged once and die".
>>96564961Yeah I mean it's nice but idk I feel like they could've made it hit all players at least, cruel celebrant does and that's a 2 mana card.
>>96564943I bet you were there sucking my dick under the table, huh?
>>96564851>blind obedience on a creature>with a downside and no extortYou got taken
>>96564969he got you off before turn 3 tho ...?....
>>96564928List?
>>96564965idk what to tell you a guy who can turn e.g. a languish even on a small board into a 10 damage nuke and 10 life gained for you is a pretty good guyif that was a 30 damage nuke he'd be completely bustedAnd in general you should never underestimate flying as a keyword
What should I do about this one neckbeard at our shop.He passed some judge test 10 years ago and has been playing a long time and constantly complains about everyone's decks IF they win against him at all. He thinks if anyone beats him then they must have some underhanded cards or luck because he's just better at the game (he's not, and constantly gets rules wrong and misses triggers and misunderstands cards all the time). He has this air of arrogance and no one enjoys playing him, yet he's at the shop 24/7 spewing bullshit and insulting people.Someone literally just took his job as judge because he whined he wasn't getting paid enough for an hour every Friday.If he kicked rocks we'd have like 20 more people coming, he's been banned from every other store in the area (but of course it's the stores fault, not his shit attitude).
>>96564982Some bullshit with Emery and a deck of artifact creatures. I literally lost, reset, and lost again in about 10 minutes. Usually the Commander came out almost immediately and proceeded to shit up the board.
>>96564994Then get a few people together and make this exact case to the owner
Anon from >>96564682 here. Just riffled through my collection for gruul slop, feel like I already got the bones of a decent red/green ramp => stompy deck.The collection I quickly pulled if you're interested; https://archidekt.com/decks/16082151/xenagos_maybe_owned_cardsLikely wont keep it all. Will need to get a lot of the staple ramp I am missing like cultivate.
Idk how all the decks on edhrec have like 21-32 lands even if they're clearly not cedh.Do people really play like that? They must constanlty mald about getting mana screwed.
>>96565006Sounds implausible
>>96565038They likely play in groups that give infinite mulligans or "mulligan till X number of lands in hand". I would avoid lists like these.
>>96565052Shame I was there to watch it happen twice. :) Were you, anon?
>>96565038They might be theory crafted decks that never made it to paperIts easier to cut lands than your 5th 6 drop
>>96564851Token decks like Arabella he slaps in.
>>96564994What does Kiki Jiki have to do with him?
>>96565066No I was just jumping to the moon on my pogostick at the timeShame I missed it
>>96565066He won turn 3 via the sharting of thopters, 35 of which had to be produced turn 1 and 2, so he was able to attack with them, with a million more well on their way, while also simultaneously countering your every game action. This happened for realsies for i live in your walls
Here's how I win every game with 100% consistency:>Island>Simian Spirit Guide>Sol Ring>Show and Tell>Force of Will the counterspell>Omniscience>Enter the Infinite
>>96565185Anon that's against the spirit of the format
>>96565185i personally just sneak an emrakul onto the table when no one is looking
>>96565185I achieve the spirit of the format like this each time
>>96565208Ahhh, memories of sneaking this lad into play when I was a kid. Good times.
>>96565208one time the guy next to me in a different pod was complaining about being stuck on 2 lands on turn 5 so i snuck him one of the forests from my hand to his battlefieldno one noticed for 2 turn rotations at which point everyone laffed
>>96562978>>96564226Should I cut Tergrid from pic related? I don’t even like theft, it makes my mat way too crowded
>>96564463Hold on. Are you saying that upstart goblin shouldn't have been limited?
>>96565251>this was deemed good enough to be included in the *commander* collection black in 2022i'm still seething about that bundle
>pay 1 to Mirror Entity>after blockers declared, pay whatever big numberWow this seems rude as all fuck. Especially when paired with something that gives your shit double strike
>>96565309or you could just
>>96565319Yeah but I despise commanders that need to attack to pull off their party trick
>>96565146I assume the guy looks like kiki jiki.
>>96564845I enjoy the concept of a deck with a dumb expensive commander and the deck not needing it to ever hit the field to function.
>>96565309I love changing what he is copying on the fly to double or triple tip on attack triggers, combat damage triggers and unblockable
>>96565336Sometimes i enjoy a deck that needs my expensive commander but absolutely pops off if he ever hits the field
I’m thinking about trying to build a commander cube. Cube is my favorite format and what I’m trying to figure out is how to build in drafting a commander. The obvious answer that I think is bad is you can play any legend you draft as a commander but I want to come up with something else. Maybe a smaller deck of commanders that you draft in a special pack 4 idk
>>96565354Oh wow I totally forgot about this guyWhat do you with him, generic blue control?
>>96565388lots of untaps until i find the combo supported by blue control shit. If I ever have him with intruder alarm or sting for a full rotation it's pretty much over
>>96565388https://moxfield.com/decks/rYTQo2ng70WF251zSTJE9Q
>>96565405>reality shift + resculpt
Should I 3D print Atraxa for when I play my counters deck? Just found my Doubling Season and Sage of Hours.
>TQNot just clones, but something to abuse Bifurcation and what not.
>>96565219Are there any more cards that break the 4th wall like this?
>>96565533unsets have shitloads of them
I've finally cracked the nut on how I want to play voroshUnfortunately its about 6 years too late https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vorosh-2025/This is an extreme prototype but I brought it too my lgs tonight and had a BLAST
>>96564994Have him say something he shouldn't say out loud and record the conversation.
>>96565553This is cool and funny as fuck.
>>96565598What's with all the land enchantments?
>>96565615They produce lots of mana, can be untapped and draw cards off of my enchantresses
>>96565553>4UU>6/11.5>Brown
>>96565598Anon, 6 years ago was 2019You are at least 10 years late with a build like that.
I'm looming for singular fancy basics for my competitive deck. Are the pixel ones the best of the bunch since they're available in regular and snow? The snow ones come in foil and etched as well, with etched being slightly more expensive.
>>96565693what?
>>96565702What fancy basics do you use my nigger?
>>96565613You're adorable, kid. Go see if your local walmart/target/etc or even LGS/comic shop still has an Unsanctioned box. I still see them around sometimes.
>>96565693The kamigawa weeblands are the best they've ever made.
>>96565693>competitiveI use the etched pixel snowlands in my 5c deck, but if you have to ask you're wasting your money. Buy lands that match your commander's theme or that you like.
Actually, the yugioh lands are best.
>>96563739This. It gets boring because you can't even discuss the game right now. And it is extra obnoxious because the thread is very hypocritical about it>FF>"go ahead and turn the thread into FF game discussion guys :)">Spider-man>"REEEE FUCK YOU CAPE FAG I WILL SHITPOST UNTIL 404 NOW"I don't even care about either franchise but the hypocrisy is really fucking obnoxious as is the derailing. We get it. You don't like that scrimblo blimbo on the card. We've heard it the first 5000 times.
>>96565742...is that real?
>>96564128>UrzaGandalf if he evil>TherosLiterally just ancient greece. One of the least original sets they ever made.>EldraziGUYZ LOOK I COPIED A DEAD AUTHORS STORIES
>>96565752Yes, SLD lands
>>96565693God I love the pixel lands. I proxied a bunch of the island since I'm not paying 1000 dollars for basics.
>>96565753Urza is evil? I thought he was the good guy who beat Yawgmoth, idk anything else about him
>>96565757He basically agreed with Yawgmoth at the end. He also did more morally dark shit than that fucked up Japanese military group during WW2.He gets his head cut off for it.He ruined entire lives and destroyed entire realms. He was as bad as yawg
>>96565693>>96565705I've been using pic related for the last 15 years or so for limited events. I dont do fancy basics in my commander decks.
>>96565760What did he agree with Yawgmoth on?
>>96565764-1/-1 counters are better than +1/+1 counters.
>>96564732The special art of this card is so fucking good but unfortunately covered by the text box.
>>96565693>not pissmaxxing to inflict psychological damage on your foes
>>96565817no different than pokemon energy cards
>got lots of cards >made two commander decks>no one in my city plays mtg, only pokemon>pokemon tcg is just yugioh in pokemon flavormight as well just scoop myself at this point
>>96565829have you tried making friends
>>96565760urza did nothing wrong.if by saving the multiverse you gotta carpet bomb some elffags, do it
>>96565753>BolasGay
>>96565829play pokemon.its quite fun
>>96565829small town blues
>>96565840i don't get along with modern people>>96565851>its funsure, but im not brain dead that's the issue
>>96565405Doesn't this combo require a ring tempts you card
>>96565860Sounds like youre the problem anon
>>96565901As i said, if by some accident i got lobotomized, i would consume and stop asking questions
How many mountains am I running in a mono red Imodane deck? I have How much artifact hate and indestructible-hate do I need? >unexpected windfall>seize the spoils >pirates pillage>big scoreIs this good enough for red “card advantage?”https://moxfield.com/decks/kjNSfTSJm0mB9sIqGJxREQ
>>96565982>indestructible-hate0, you need hexproof and shroud haterun arcane lighthouse, detection tower, arcane spotlight, and shadowspear>lands38 is fine, but I prefer more ramp/treasures.
>>96565982I personally run 36 in mine.The absolute biggest thing you need for Imodane is protection for yourself. You're a one-trick pony and everyone knows your trick. You want both boots. You ideally want bolt bend. The second she or one of your damage doublers hits the board people will aim to remove her or your enchantments.Don't worry about hexproof/shroud on your opponents stuff. There's always something available to cast your Shivan meteor or Banefire on to proc Imodane. Things like Big Score are good for digging but dont generate card advantage. Try impulse draw cards like Count On Luck, Chandra Fire Artisan and Vances Blasting Cannons.Cards like Seismic Assault and Burning Earth do little for Imodane. You want burn spells that target one creature to interact with Imodane.Also, you're missing ruby medallion and sol ring.
>>96565982>>96566040>The absolute biggest thing you need for Imodane is protection for yourself. You're a one-trick pony and everyone knows your trick.Yes yes 100% yes. I built her and she's Kill on Sight for VERY good reasons. You can very easily nuke the table with a single spell with her and a damage doubler/tripler.
>>96563739>I fucking hate how mind rotten this general is. You all say you hate playing and hate your fellow playersIt's mostly over guy. Everyone else is ironymaxxing
>>96565910Anon I've spent 100 bucks on magic in the last 5 years and I manage to play every week still.
I will go to a spider-man pre-release ironically. Then I will shit diarreah on all the cards.
>>96566224based if true
Post your favorite AI art card
>>96566274Baiter no baiting
>>96565897you need an untapper, pemmins aura or freed from the reel, anything that taps for 2 or more blue and arcanis
>>96566331If you think that isn't AI then you are retarded
>>96566374the artist had some posts about how it wasn't AI including in progress artworks of it
>>96566397They are full of a shit, anon
>>96566397
>>96566397ERM... WHAT THE SIGMA? BUT I JUST SAY ANY ART THAT ISN'T PERFECT IS AI!
>>96564741>5 mana 2/2should have at least been a 3 mana 1/1 or something
>>96566402
>>96566397>UB makes art shittier because the artists have to have constant whipping sessions with the IP ownerHow this isn't a bigger topic of conversation than "muh ai" I have no idea.
>>96566436>IP owners (sometimes) demand their characters are drawn on-model instead of radically changing appearance over timeTruly a foreign concept for someone that plays a game where Chandra looks like 5+ different people.
for me, it's Henry Cavill Sorin
>>96564128You say Eldrazi as if OGW and SOI didn't have this board seething nonstop about how the game was worthless garbage trying to copy Avengers with a PG-rated Lovecraft ripoffYour hypocrisy is vile
>>96566582correct
>>96566471For me, it's Dracula.
>>96564519ssure. should've specified a pure counter with no extra effects on it, monkey-paw-kun. really takes the wind out of the sail when it gives them a card
>>96566471>Martina Fačkováhmm
>>96563739>you are all miserable fuckersSO true
>>96564148>everybody outside of 4chan wants UBslop Do you seriously believe this?
>>96564376Discard spells are much more powerful in YGO because (as is my relatively limited understanding) the decks are more frequently based on turbo combo strategies. Also, as the other anon pointed out, the banning of git probe had nothing to do with the fact it allows you to see your opponents hand. It was a totally free cantrip.You have misunderstood fundamental aspects of not just one, but two trading-card games. Congratulations, retard.
>>96564522>win by t4If you're focussed on competetive edh combos, you really should be able to kill the table on turn 1 or 2, three at the absolute latest.
>>96566687>It was a totally free cantrip.>What are Street Wraith, Mishra's Bauble, and Urza's Bauble, which do not see 4x play in every deck despite being free cantripsCongratulations. You played yourself.
>>96566687>Millschizo comes back hours later samefagging in a desperate attempt to cope
>>96564994Why did you besmirch the good name of the Mirror-Breaker with your story about some random cunt?
>>96565693In my casual decks, I try to use lands that suit the aesthetic of the deck. For example for my Thrun the Last Troll deck, I am collecting foil versions of Forest #306 from original Mirrodin (done by John Avon, though obviously not the basic lands he is most famous for). I have one legitimate cEDH deck, and that only runs 3 basic lands so I usually rotate through my rarest swamps, mountains, and forests. I actually kind of pine for the days when part of the fun of EDH was slowly upgrading your deck with pimp russian foils and shit that you'd never put in your type 2 deck(s). With the influx of normals, people will just chuck whatever slopbasics they have lying around.
>>96563739mfw playing my brainless avg 2.13 cmc aggro deck with no tutors or removal or combos and 37 lands
>>96565817>HEADS UP!!
You face a villainous choice, /edhg/. Which do you choose?
I love this little bastard so much. Yes, he gives everyone resources, but I always get more since nobody else plays mono color these days (except for the Tifa and Sephiroth bros.)
>>96566852Depends on the pod I'm in.If it's the straight precon, they can draw.If it's a modified precon I still think I'm giving them the draw 80% of the time but if they start dropping a lot of stuff from outside the precon then maybe discard.If it's not at all the precon then I'm discarding.
>>96566397The only thing about this that screamed ai to me personally was how fucked up the flag looks and I guess he's just a retard who doesn't know how flags work >>96566621Castlevania UB when?>>96566803How I look brewing my clues and foods Sophia Dogged Detective deck
>>96566103>>96566040>>96566030>you need hexproof and shroud hate>Don't worry about hexproof/shroud on your opponents stuff.I'm inclined to NOT worry about hexproof shroud since I can target my own stuffy doll/goblin and it's likely SOMETHING on the board will be targetable anyway>The absolute biggest thing you need for Imodane is protection for yourself. You're a one-trick pony and everyone knows your trick.>I built her and she's Kill on Sight for VERY good reasons.You want both boots. You ideally want bolt bend. The second she or one of your damage doublers hits the board people will aim to remove her or your enchantments.so aside from running two boots that will probably get destroyed by the variety of cheap artifact removal in EDH, do I just eat the removal spells? Red really doesn't have any protection besides equipment. Do I put in a sword or something? And if the entire table is gonna focus me, am I supposed to hold my cards and leave mana up? I'm assuming Imodane is gonna get Swords/PtE/countered/destroyed very quickly. Not sure if I want to commit money to buying cards only to be targeted each games. I'm around the type of people who say "oh he's about to ___ somebody kill him/it" or "we need to focus ___ down." Is the deck worth building and investing in or should I just build a tribal goblin or merfolk deck?
>kinda interested in human tribal>look at what their good commanders are>it's all nigs or nigged lotr characters Bleak.
>>96567058>t. didn't look human tribal and doesn't play the game
>>96567110What?
Hey \oI just started commander, and I really liked the creatures and spells in Black.But I hated not having much mana, so I created a big mana black deck to have both ways.My commander was Maga, but yesterday i cam across this new commander.Can someone explain to me how he is not an improvement in every way from Magaw Cheaper, has life link and does the same.My friend sad he does damage instead of life loss, but he didn't explain what's that, can someone help me?
>>96567039>so aside from running two boots that will probably get destroyed by the variety of cheap artifact removal in EDH, do I just eat the removal spells? Red really doesn't have any protection besides equipment. Do I put in a sword or something?All you have are equipments and redirect spells. Bolt Bend, Deflecting Swat, Untimely Malfunction. Commander's Plate, Whispersilk Cloak, Mithril Coat. It's very risky to play Imodane without protection for her.>And if the entire table is gonna focus me, am I supposed to hold my cards and leave mana up? I'm assuming Imodane is gonna get Swords/PtE/countered/destroyed very quickly.Yes. Imodane is for OTK, she's a big removal magnet that likely does not survive one turn cycle. You will need good filtering to find your damage doublers as fast as possible. Assume 2 of the other players are holding and saving removal for Imodane and play accordingly. >Not sure if I want to commit money to buying cards only to be targeted each games. I'm around the type of people who say "oh he's about to ___ somebody kill him/it" or "we need to focus ___ down."She is a deck built primarily around the commander. If she gets removed too often then your deck is completely dead, but you could probably run Repercussion as a backup. With Earthquake and other group slug cards you can finish off low health enemies. The deck is telegraphed and you'll need a lot of ramp if you have a lot of X spells, and if you anticipate needing to recast your commander because she gets removed of your opponent gain a lot of life before she comes down.>Is the deck worth building and investing in or should I just build a tribal goblin or merfolk deck?
>>96567128Life loss is exactly what it says and damage causes life loss so it's just an additional step for the same result.There's a few more ways to prevent damage than direct life loss so it's marginally worse, but i'd still say the new guy is definitely better.
>>96567128There are things that care about "damage". For example, damage is easier to prevent than life loss is, damage is also easier to multiply or add additional effects to, but not really in monoblack anyway. A second and more minor difference is that Maga targets a player and not an opponent, if you had some insane reason you needed to lower your own life total.Morlun is definitely better than Maga. Of course, like most of Kamigawa, Maga has long been a garbage card and commander unworthy of being remembered, so an improvement on the idea is definitely welcomed.
By their own words, the cantrip aspect was a huge part of why Git Probe was banned.>street wraithColors and type.>baublesSac to do it and next turn. These cards are not the same.https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/july-2-2018-banned-and-restricted-update-2018-07-02
>>96567128damage causes life loss, but life loss is not considered damagethere are a few cards that increase/decrease/prevent damage, which can interact with Maga but not MortonHe is a better Maga 90% of the time, until you come across a deck running Gisela or damage prevention effects
I have an extremely ditzy friend who want to play EDHThey understand cards when explained but struggle a bit to pick with the more complicated decks when it's their turn to play. (they are trying their best)What's the best "stupid proof" (in their words) deck to play? one very simple to use.Are the starter EDH decks good for this?
>>96567162I see, that makes sense. Thanks.>>96567184Yeah, now it's a lot clear to me, many thanks.>>96567184>Morlun is definitely better than Maga. Of course, like most of Kamigawa, Maga has long been a garbage card and commander unworthy of being remembered, so an improvement on the idea is definitely welcomed.:(Don't say that about him, the poor guy was a good nuke that i could cast at any time, I won 3 of my 6 games with him ç_ç
>>96567208Voltron decks are pretty simple so the cloud precon might be a nice entry point, it even comes with awesome cards like Puresteel Paladin iirc.If he upgrades it with a few of the better equips and a few of the equip tutors he'll have a strong deck that mostly plays itself.
>>96567200>damage causes life loss, but life loss is not considered damageThat's VERY confusing, but I think I got the ideia now.
>>96567128Morlun is in fact better in just about every way>one hard mana pip less>more than zero base p/t>vampire has better tribal support in black than human or wizard for some incidental synergy pieces>lifelink>vampires in suits are cooler than some old dude in a straw hat (opinion)The damage vs life loss is a such a minor difference that will only come up in rare corner cases.
>>96567208Giada Angel tribal. It's a really basic battlecruiser deck where you just drop value, watch it die, then drop more value.
How many lands would you play in this?I've had 38 so far but the sentiment i see online seems to be that that's too much.37 maybe?
>>96566443I know, right? Sometimes even in the same fucking set
>>96567253Yeah I agree.I don't like vampires tho, so I have very few tribal effects on my deck (needed space for those swamps).I feel the fantasy of being a powerful mage with an army of minions doesn't work if they are vampires... Vampires are just dudes. I'm a shade guy.I also hate how he is a spiderman villain, kind of cringe, if at least the art didn't have a streetlight I could pretend he was just a normal vampire.
>>96567128What people haven't mentioned: when a source with lifelink deals damage, you gain that much life. Maga just inflicts the life loss. Morlun smacks them, which then heals you. So X=5 is a 10 life swing.
>>96567279>I feel the fantasy of being a powerful mage with an army of minions doesn't work if they are vampires... Vampires are just dudes.Oh come on, surely you can appreciate being Dracula, King of the Vampires, with your vampire legion at your bidding.>I also hate how he is a spiderman villainWhile true in general, I for one have genuinely no idea who "Morlun" is and can't even sniff him as a comic book character at a glance. What I know intellectually hardly matters, as this guy is clearly not an A or B lister.That said I would still run the Omenpaths version if it were printed in paper.
>>96567279You know, a commander you might like is this one, especially if you have a bunch of death trigger cards like Blood Artist alongside him.Comes in, nukes everyone's boards (and life, with support) and you're left with a huge indestructible giga nigga.
>>96567286Yeah that I was in the know, my friend that got me in magic was able to explain this to me, unlike the life loss and damage dichotomy distinction.(but yeeha at first I believed lifelink was only via combat damage).>>96567295I guess, but it doesn't beat being a dark mage with an army of shadows hahahah. You just can't trust vampires.>>96567295>While true in general, I for one have genuinely no idea who "Morlun" is and can't even sniff him as a comic book character at a glance. What I know intellectually hardly matters, as this guy is clearly not an A or B lister.I agree.>>96567295>That said I would still run the Omenpaths version if it were printed in paper.Oh this is really interesting, I hope they print him.
>>96567295Morlun is... He's basically just a random interdimensional vampire who showed up and started killing Spider-People across the Marvel multiverse for reasons. He's not very interesting, he's just a catalyst for the Spider-Verse event.
>>96567279Yeah I mention the vampire thing more as incidental synergy and I'm not saying you need to focus on it at all.Like if you're making a life loss/drain deck Blood Tribute could be played since your commander is always accessable to enable the extra cost and that's the only vampire you're on. It doesn't hinder playing the card's core function without the commander, it just gives you a bit extra out of the card.
>>96567325What is with vampires in the marvel universe and picking on spiders, I can't even think of any vampire:spider overlap in other media and Spider-Man has two.Comic book writers really just run out of ideas fast, huh.
>>96567322>>96567322He is great, AND LOOKS COOL, but I don't like sacrifices or death triggers, I'm no aristocrat.I play Maga and now this new vampire guy more because I play with a lot of swamps, mana rocks and ramp... I just hate not having a lot of mana, but I don't want to play green.The commander is more about having a way to easily use all that left over mana at any point. It's still a work in progress but this is the deck: https://scryfall.com/@Satanicoaldo/decks/eb7d3a57-7175-47aa-b15a-31e9facd25e8?as=visual&with=usd
>>96567338I think it's because a lot of Spider-Man villains are meant to be either animals (Rhino, Scorpion, Lizard) or fairytale/halloween monsters (Green Goblin, Morlun, Morbius, Man-Wolf, etc).
>>96567338I mean spiders do kill mosquitos. So there is that.
>>96567351If you think about it, a vampire is both an animal (bat) and a halloween monster.
>>96567138Hmm I see. I think I'll hold off on the deck for now. It seems very feast-or-famine and I thought burn would let me affect the board more while keeping it cheap. I'm going to stick with my crappy izzet/copy deck. at least I can play and feel like I'm having some impact.>Is the deck worth building and investing in or should I just build a tribal goblin or merfolk deck?I was being serious. I like fluffy thematic decks. I used to play werewolves and goblins in high school
>>96567341You play a high density of black mana pips, if you want a land that really can ramp you Shrine to Nyx can do the job well.As a general comment, your land count is super low at 31. Yes you have a bunch of cost reducers and mana rocks but they aren't really the best due to them being vulnerable to removal more than land is. Remember, you have to have lands to play mana rocks to begin with. Even with a focus on mana rocks you're going to want mid to high 30s of lands in a general concept.I do about 20 test hands digitally when I make big edits to my manabase to see if I'm getting playable hands worth of lands per my deck's mana curve.
>throat has been sore for 2 weeks with no other symptomsI just want to play the funny wizard game at my LGS
>alt art foil is only like 2 bucksI might just build this guy.You can easily get him to swing for lethal commander damage, this might be a fun bracket 2-3 without being too expensive.
>>96567208>simple effect cards>Almost all your creatures have flightseems underrated as hell and perfect for beginners
>>96567429My friend said the same thing, but I never ran into that issue...Maybe I should try to work on that...
>>96567208mono green ramp/stompy is the classic retarded timmy deck
>>96567208>>96567520Hell yeah, brother.I love these decks.
>>96567208Anything that doesn't require lots of state memory or counter maintenance. Something azorius or selesnya that focuses on making tokens and has some amount of interaction to teach priority and such
>>96567208I started some decks last year that were meant to play against each other and aimed to be lower power and easy to play. Judge for yourself if I succeeded. https://archidekt.com/decks/9017975/edh_thesis_arcanishttps://archidekt.com/decks/8982182/edh_thesis_visarahttps://archidekt.com/decks/9018242/edh_thesis_silvosstill working on the red and white ones. Known issues: The green deck's draw is all at once and grinds the game to a screeching halt when a new player has to read a dozen new cards. The black deck is overtuned, I should probably drop coffers.
>>96567255Seconding Giada. She's nearly a perfect beginner commander:1. Low cost2. Strongly type matters tribal3. Mana Dork to ramp up bigger angels, but monocolor keeps it simple4. Good keywords; Vigilance and a low cost lets you swing her over sometimes and Flying helps them account for (and sometimes deal with) evasion. Other angels sometimes have both, but sometimes one or the other, which promotes learning the deck5. Good deckbuilding potential: As a commander or shuffled into then 99 for another Angel, Giada is just solid.
>>96565817this but those black oil foil basics
>>96567676found the red oneI have absolutely no idea how this deck manages to compete with the others but it does https://archidekt.com/decks/16092793/edh_thesis_rorix
>>96567208>ditzy>theiruh oh
>>96567527Generally speaking a well rounded deck will consist of about 40% lands before any other considerations. From there you can make those considerations like do you plan to ramp, what's your mana curve, how much draw can you preform, etc. This starting 40% rule of thumb is present in 60 and 40 card deck formats as well.In practice most people build about 39 lands for the normal rules of commander in order to get as close as possible to ideal opening hands of land counts while considered thier above factors.You'll sometimes see these greedy low land counts as a result of "unlimited mulligans [until you get a 'playable' hand]" table/house rules. Which you should be conscious of because not every table is going to give you that opportunity. What are you going to do when the table says they are playing the format by the book with 1 free muligan and then the rest are london mulligans? So it's best to just make a "good" deck that plays well in the base enviroment and any house rules will only be to your gain.
>>96567208GoblinsoblinsActual rock banging tier deck that just werks TM. 0 thought goes into playing the deck. You play a land, you tap out for a goblin, the goblin does it's thing, (optional: turn krenko sideways), go to combat and turn some goblins sideways, pass turn, repeat.
>>96567796idk man my friends krenko deck turns into a deck that needs a pad of paper and pen real quick
I haven't played Commander in a while. The last time I played, I rage-quit because someone in my pod frequently played Voja.Is Voja still a problem? Or was he ever a problem?
>>96567808>he doesn't keep 200 goblin tokens at the ready for his Krenko deck
>>96567843>200TRY 200,000
>>96567261I play 38 pretty much no matter what. Doesn't matter what your curve looks like, you still need to actually draw your lands
>>96567845R O O K I E OOKIEN U M B E R S UMBERS
>>96567814Hes a pubstomper so how big a problem he is correlates to how bad your pod is
>>96567814what the fuck is happening in your pod that elf bowl is a problem?
how do you make a boros group slug decks? run goad and red burn enchantments? is life pay/tax good in commander?
>>96567942Take the doll pill
>>96567808I agree but major skill issue if you get to an uncountable number of goblins and can't win the game. In theory you only need to get in with a total of 120 goblins which can easily be represented with a d100 and d20.
>>96567953it has less to do about winning the games and more to do with being new player friendly.
>>96567929>elf bowl
>>96567949This isnt group slug
Just realized you can Soulcaldron this nerd and use to flip any werewolf / final fantasy transform cardAny target im missing worth monkey flipping?
>>96567942literally just burn + prison
>>96567903Shut the FUCK upIf you play excessive lands its because of feefees over the one time you got mana screwed. Spoiler alert: that can happen to anyone. Stop running suboptimal land counts.> b..b..but some retard once said that 38 is the mathematically proven...SHUT UP.Do NOT run more than 35 even in casual decks
>>96567970>just realizedYou mean you watched a video telling you the rule was changed. The fuck you trying to hide lmao
>>96567970if you wanna go for that just use these
>>96567969>Group Slug refers to a Commander deck archetype that actively damages enemy players at an equal rate.>it deals X damage to each opponentBy definition it is.
>>96567903I played 33 for a very long time, recently I have been adding a few moreI think on average its 36, though 35 feels like a sweet spot for casual.
>>96567975This is terrible advice do not listen. First off 36 should be the standard, second 38 is better you can cut two cards from your goodshit pile
>>96567975>SHUT UP
>>96567985>group slug is just burnNo. Group hug effects everyone, group slug effects everyone. I dont care what AI told you
>>96567975Must suck to be bad at a children's game.>>96567975>>96567988>posts on cooldown>uses exact same numbers and termsHoly samefag, Batman!
>>96567942I ran Otharri extra combats for a while and it was fun but man if it didn't get boring after a while. Incredibly sink it swim. I've heard the boros goad deck from MKM is fun to play, and I'm currently considering building this guy in my quest to build less 3 color decks. I've turned Master of Keys into a slower more control oriented gameplan with the goad enchantments and ghostly prison effects to keep the monarchy and grind out value
>>96567957If you friend can't handle maybe a higher double digit number of tokens then they might actually be too retarded to play magic. PokeTCG might be more their speed.Oh wait no, they have health that exceeds the number 100 so they can't play that either.You friend might just want to KYS if thay're that retarded.
>>96567988>>96567975>casual means you want a bad landbase>>96568000Cool down is 1 minute. I think its more likely multiple people in this thread just haven't changed how theu build decks in 15 years.
>>96567989t. Drew too few lands once and now runs 38 lands and says "well id rather get mana flooded"You are bad
>>96567903I used to do around 34 but I kept getting land screwed so I went up to about 37 in most of my decks.
>>96568008>Cool down is 1 minuteDepends on the board. It's 90 seconds elsewhere
>>96568010Do you have an actual argument that isnt>I was told to do 35 lands by my pappy and ill tell my son to do 35 lands too!Objectively speaking 38 plays out better
>>96568022Yes, itdls obvious if you look at decks tailored to different power, low power runs more lands. The higher power the deck the fewer lands it runs on a scale which tops out at cEDH running like 29 lands.The only time to run 38+ lands is if its specifically a lands deck.If you are running 38 lands it probably means you don't have enough draw power. If you draw cards like you should, you will find enough lands.38 lands is like B1.5 tier.>>96568000>>uses exact same numbers and terms>Holy samefag, Batman!Wtf are you even talking about. He mentioned 3 numbers one of which happened to be the same. And we dont sound the same at all. you are a retard. Maybe if you werent such a delusional schizo you'd run a sane amount of lands.
>>96568022It's always 36 lands.
Is Icetill Explorer + Strip Mine auto bracket 4?
>>96568062uh oh, meltyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>96568062>draw power meme>cedh as a standard (why?)I dont see a single argument here just random words you think make sense but dont actually carry a point. Draw power has nothing to do with your landbase and thinking it does is really silly. Its very obvious you dont have an actual argument for your position so dont expect me to waste anymore time.>>96568072>well my daddy said 36 and by golly ill do 36!Okay. My deck with 1.3 average CMC doesnt need 35 lands and my lands deck doesnt need 35 either.
>>96568062>need draw power to draw more lands>need lands to cast draw power>never draw lands in the first place because you're not running enoughThis is not a difficult concept to understand.
One of the most important things in magic is having a good opening 7. A proper amount of lands makes it more likely you have 7 cards, with 3 mana sources in your opening hand. That's the whole thing really. Those 2 lands dont make a huge difference while youre drawing cards over the course of the game, its not gunna be what flood or screws you. But less than that and you are less likely to have a good opening 7. The only way to not hold this view is if youre playing with baby mulligans where you just go til you have a good hand.
>>96568007jerk yourself off some more lmao
>>96568062Because low power means people are playing higher cmc decks which need more mana to function. Little timmy's dino deck packed 5+ drops runs like shit on 35 lands.>cEDHcEDH runs Mox Diamond and Chrome Mox in damn near everything and sometimes Mox Opal and Mana Vault. I'm sorry but these cards are basically just lands in these decks, you have to mentally bump up the land number by at least two when thinking about their mana. It still only works because their curves are so low they're underground>Card drawThis is not relevant to lands. You need mana to cast your card draw spells even if your draw is parked in the command zone.
>>96568008Casual games go longer and tend to have a higher average cmc, a higher land count goes hand in hand with both of these factors. I don't think adding 2 extra lands is a smoking gun for a "bad" land base.
>>96568162>This is not relevant to lands.decks with lots of card draw tend to run fewer lands because they see more cards and therefor more lands.
>>96568145>One of the most important things in magic is having a good opening 7I learned this from cEDH and it unironically broke the game for me. Frankly there should be a change to mulligans to punish digging deep but still allow for fixing lands.
>>96568157Go back and read the entire post chain. This has nothing to do with your solitare suggestions.
>>96564735100%. They play solitaire and run basically no removal / interaction
>>96568178How about you read the chain?>extremely ditzy friend >want a stupid proof deck>krenko is a terrible idea>>NO ACTUALLLY THEY ARE JUST TOO RETARDED TO PLAY MAGICdawg, just make a different suggestion. Krenko isnt it.
>>96568172There are heaps and heaps of do thing draw card commanders and almost none of them normally operate at 35 lands. Having a card you always start with that draws you lots of cards is the best possible argument to support what you're saying and I just don't see it in practice.
>>96567814Run more interaction, specifically board wipes.
>>96568206>none of them normally operate at 35 landswhat makes you say this?
>>96568215Hes a smoothbrain who farts and shits at the thought of having a 2 land opener hand
>>96568215I don't see anyone doing it, not in my playgroup, not at my lgs, not on online deckbuilding sites, and not here. I just don't see it in practice.
>>96564994Have a conversation with him and other players that are aware of his bullshit. Be nice but stern. It works
Why is he banned?He'd be fine as a game changer.
I know all of these 38 land andys are running like 7 mana rocks in their decks too.
>>96568200If you consider the ability to count a number of identical tokens getting identical anthem buffs too complex then you might be retarded too. Go ahead and say your piece, what complexity is there here?
>>96568320>he
>>96568338I'm at 37 with 5 rocks rn, is that bad?
I raun 37-38 lands in all my decks, going any lower is just trolling now that MDFCs are everywhere.
>>96568350Yes its too many. Cut two lands and add more draw cards.You got Keep watch in there? Tocasias welcome? Magmatic Insight? Deadly dispute? Run them!!
>>96568369Well I have 6 draw cards rn, 2 of them being draw engines, and 4 tutors.I feel like that's enough isn't it?
How oppressive is this guy? 5 mana is high but he gets to cheat the command tax 95% of the time.
>>96568369>run less lands>oh btw run Magmatic Insight toonigga what
>>96568010>Run 38+ lands in basically every deck>Still open consistent 1 mana handsIs it the mental retardation?
>>96568441No that's normal, just draw virtual test hands on moxfield or wherever.You can get mana screwed even at 38, people running significantly less just rely on the good will of others to let them spam mulligans.
I only 30 lands in gruul and never brick because i run 13 ramp spells, get better at dick building nerds
>>96568405built for ghost vacuum*WHIRRRRRRRRR
>>96568405It really depends on the 99(s). Scarab is a super strong commander alone because of how straight forward it is to play him but depends on having fodder in any GY to really go off.As soon as something oppressive hits the grave, then you start feeling him.If someone else is playing a grave dependent deck they can get hated out because he can hit any grave.
>>96568483>uses ramp to get more lands>need lands to ramp in the first place>never draws lands, so never can ramp, so never has lands>needs to mulligan 10x per game just to have 2 lands to startI enjoy not letting people have free mulligans to punish people exactly like you.
>>96568441Just mana weave at that point. Everyone does it
>>96568320She's banned from ye olde days. Also most people get insanely butthurt about Annihilator 6 and near immunity.
>>96568347In my experience with slow, new or young players its about keeping them engaged in the game and avoiding things that makes their eyes glaze over. If you think you can make a krenko deck that can do its thing once a turn and make that thing impactful and make it quick to resolve then I withdraw my complaint.The krenko decks I've seen are either far from that or exceedingly bad. i would be legitimately interested in seeing someone's attempt at a new player friendly krenko deck. btw im not that guy with the friend I just don't think krenko is a good experience for someone whos "ditzy".
>>96568483this is why i counter the first ramp spell
>>96568515>>96568320it's just not a fun deck either way anyone who'd run her as a commander builds their deck purely for 1 purpose: shit her out ASAPwhich means either they succeed and you're just getting annihilator 6'd twice or else you kill her and then the Emrakul player gets salty because '"you're not letting me play the game" since their entire deck literally doesn't work without their commander
>>96568405I've tried it to no good results
>>96568545I think that's kinda fun tho, it would create a lot of tension to see Emrakul in someone's command zone.Either everyone treats them as a ticking timebomb and focuses them down or things get fucked up super badly.Should be legal imo, i don't really care if they get salty about being the arch enemy. It's a fun, flavorful superboss card that i'd like to see sometimes.
>>96568564you just get maelstorm wanderer syndrome, people will kill you first then you bitch and spectate the rest of the game
>>96568571Isn't that what already happens to eldrazifags anyway?
>>96568564you know as well as me that the majority of people who'd run Emrakul absolutely would get super salty at being treated like the ticking time bomb they are >Why are you targeting me, I've done nothing to you or anyone, I have nothing on board, I'm just aggressively ramping to shit out my superboss creature gosh
>>96568564Just play Ulamog and laugh at everyone because Timmy's 10cmc creature just gave spaghetti man Annihilator 10.
>>96568320about 10 years ago we let a guy run this as his commanderit was pretty mid for something that was banned, the same guy built black braids later that year and between the two it was much more obvious why black braids was banned. Just as an aside, you don't want refellos unbanned.
>>96568221That is objectively not something you wanna see though. Like its bad, not something you should just put up with. And if your deck is mispreforming then you should change it. >>96568338Why would I pay for land drops? I hardly run any rocks they are bad cards>>96568393Not even remotely anon>>96568369>discard lands so you can draw more cards and see more lands!You might actually be retarded anon.
thoughts on this card?
What the one interaction that halted your game due to obfuscated card rulings?
>>96568543It's why you ALWAYS counter the first ramp spell. It's objectively the best play
>>96568666Half measure, just insurrection.
>>96568500Is he still that oppressive? The fact he has to exile the card you make a copy of seems to limit him naturally. At least compared to other cards who cheat things in and out. I'd think.
>>96568222>not on online deckbuilding sitesEDHRec's average land count is 36.35
>>96568666isnt there are 5cmc version of this card?
>>96568695Hm. Maybe not?
>>96568706ah I found itnot 5 cmcnot really that notable in any way other than being like the 4th best insurrection effect
Ngl now that Ive discoveredDeadly DisputeVillage RitesDeaperate MeasuresI run all of them in every black deck.I will make the tokensI will sac the tokensI will draw the cards
>>96568706extinction event
>>96568722
>>96568721What black decks are you running?
>>96568666unless your playing something like that one companion that cares about odd costs it seems pretty bad
>>96568721What are you using to make tokens in mono black?
>>96568666Wish it was in gay kings colors I could use another playable insurrection
>>96568753NTAGhoulcaller Gisa is the best because she can sacrifice the zombies she creates to make more zombies
Can somebody give me a commander that utilises all 3 colors equally and isn't just a two-color + staples from the third? Temur preferably.
>>96568812Edgar Markov :)
>>9656836937 lands in the minimum unless you have a 4+ mana curve, in which case you gotta add more. But yeah, ramp needs a serious rethink. If you don't have it in your opening hand or within the first 3 turns they're just dead cards. I've never been in a position where I've been happy to draw ramp T4+. I replaced all my ramp (except for cultivate effects) with draw long ago and my decks are way better for it.
>>96568812Kinda your choice on how you build it anon...
>>96568666Wildly overcosted for how inconsistent it is.
>>96568812Most of my decks have a very evenly split color pie
>>96568753JadarOrcish MaldmastersKalitasBitterblossomOr just run some dumb guys with ETB effects or that self recur from the GY which there are plenty of in B
>>96568821No. If you're building EM for as strong as the deck can be, you're making it aristocrats which is almost totally Orzhov. If you're building it for fun with aggro, all the best vamps are Orzhov and the only red card you really desperately want is Shared Animosity which can just be replaced with a higher cost card like Coat of Arms or Door of Destinies. Markov would be way better as pure Orzhov but you don't even need to cast him to get the best out of him so you can ignore red anyways.
>>96568666beat the fuck out of me in pre release and im still seething seems pretty medicore for the cost, thqdesuwy
>>96568826>cutting rampShhhhh modern EDH players arent ready for this. Pappy told em otherwise. Rocks only go in my deck if the utility is something I desire, the mana is bonus.
>>96568853What are you basing this off of?
>>96568875At least MaRo and the other retards on the design team seem to understand rocks are outdated as well. With stuff like SS and Herd Heirloom we're at least getting some that you won't be pissed off top decking after early game.
>>96563739Chuds can't help but bitch and moan. I come here for funny pictures and leaks, and occasionally post stuff.>>96564128>just be happyYes it's that easy
>>96567039It sucks and only does one thing that is jank. You’ll do it once and then never again. You really don’t have a backup plan if the burn the table strat goes south. You just can’t put out enough spells to burn down 3 other players.
>>96568853I don't think that's true, vampires don't have that many amazing sac outlets.Edgar decks usually have aristocrat elements but they're rarely the primary wincon.
> 37 lands is too many> proofs??????> go look at cEDH lists> noooooo not that proof thats not real LALALALALA
>>96568892>everything has to be playable at every point in the gameThis is the design philosophy that bores me the most
>>96568673I don't always have it
>>96568954Cedh decks play completely differently from 1-3 and most 4 decks, they have different mana needs for what they attempt to do.You're not trying to win off a turn 3 infinite with a $3000+ deck in casual.
>>96568961Yes every card in your deck should be a good draw
Spooder-man prices are crashing in to dust. I told you reddit capeshit fags that Spider-Man is a small IP compared to FF and no one wants it.
>>96568989I only want a few waifu cards and the soul stone. Everything else can get fucked.
>>96568977F
>>96568989what are you talking about, clearly I'm the only other person in the thread and I hate the spiderman set. YOU'RE the one who's been talking it up this whole time.
>>96568683He's still pretty good. He's just barely outside of the top 100 commanders at #103. As I said, I don't think he guarantees that you'll be oppressive but rather it depends on what your attempting to do with him and what decks you vs. It's grave hate on legs and you get something out of it so if it's against something like a proper reanimator deck or anyrhing else that cares about creatures in grave then could be considered oppressive there.If you have something like training ground up then for just UB you can start slurping up everyone's graves.4 mana for a 4/4 token with text is decent and like I describe above for 2 mana it can get pretty crazy.
>>96568989Yes everyone knew it was going to suck.Only the sloppiest slurpers like it (Worst commander show on jewtube, looking at you)
>>96568989>Spooder-man prices are crashing in to dust.>look mom, I posted it again!!!!!!!!All pre-sale prices crash. Stop being an idiot.
>>96568985In order for that to be the case every card needs to be card draw, removal, ramp and a wincon. Thankfully we will never get to that extreme.Card compression is very powerful and good to see, I'm just getting bored of how much we are getting. Part of the fun of a highlander format is variance after all.
>>96568989It not being on arena or MTGO is really going to fuck its sales. Noobs who don't follow MTG and log into arena twice a week wont even know it exists.
>>96568989The prices crashed for FF around prerelease as well, personally remember Esper Terra going from $60 down to $15 as the day approached- still think Spider-Man won’t be as successful, set’s fucking boring.
>>96569097not having a commander deck probably doesn't help it eithereven Avatar has somethingit doesn't feel like a proper full set
>>96568989>set full of nothingburger low power reskinned spidermen>only cards of value are reprints of old cards with marvel artwork, soul stone and the flip spidermanWho could have possibly foreseen this?
>>96569090>nevernever is a long time anon.A very long time. Long enough for untold amounts of powercreep.
>>96569123Because it wasn't. They planned for it to be an assassins creed style set, but then that flopped so they got nervous and changed course last second. Which also ending up fucking draft as well, since even with a bunch of filler its too small.
>>96569123Um anon, UB is Commander only, everyone knows that. Obviously there is a precon for Commabder spiderman. Dumbass, what you think its a standard set or something? WotC promised that wouldnt happen
>>96568961It's not 2011 anymore bro. If you are including cards that are essentially dead after or before a certain point, you're just gimping yourself.
>>96568989>product entirely for investors and outsiders>no serialized cardsThis must have been some kind of negotiation thing between marvel and hasbro. Shoulda scrapped the idea as soon as this line in the sand was drawn.
>>96568989Is this literally the first set you've been around to see released? Prices are always massively overblown before the actual release day, and take 2-3 weeks to settle out. There's way too many newfag retards coming into these threads.
>>96569150It can be 2011 if I want. I'll show up with my predh deck and im sure it will be fineBut also give me some examples or post 2011 card compression
Biggest design mistake of the year, for me its Lotis.>Allready too many theft cards that let players cast free shit for literally no reason.>Unfairly punishes low cmc decks>indestructible and colours make him easy to protect >Player hit doesn't get uncast cards back because reasons, this basicslly giving him a free psudo mill effect on the side>easy to pump up and make unblockable with his colours>Nothing worth stealing, just go for commander damage.>easy to build and playThis card just does way too much, he is almost imposible to kill or block, he gives you a bunch of free value and has some free mill tacked on for good measure. The main issue is he does all this with no effort required, all you need to do is attack some one and you get to cast like three things for free its insane anyone thought this was a good idea
>>96569161It's bait and he keeps posting it every set because people keep falling for it
>>96569265Shit like him is why every one of my decks run like 6-8 of these auras. There's only so many Swords/Paths exile cards
>>96569265I liked it until I saw it was indestructibleCome on man, sure its not as good of a keyword as it used to be but this wreaks of some dipshit in playtesting complaining about feelsbad moments
>>96569273I called someone a retard a few weeks ago for playing the bad inprisonsI would like to retract that shit take after playing them myself
>>96569273almost all my removal is these too just so they can't just recast the problem. way too many legends you cannot let untap ONCE. the only downside is that sometimes this is not fast enough
>>96569273>NOOOOO! My heckin' commanderino! You're not letting me DO THE THING!Between this shit and Blood Moon I really don't understand why people who are in W and/or G anyway absolutely refuse to run anything other than Farewell that hits enchantments.
>let me do the thing!>the thing: winhow do I respond without sounding mad?
I play Commander online with my old remote buddies and I love it. It feels so good and refreshing to play a 'competitive' game against my fellow pseudo tryhard buddies. We crack inside jokes, I smoke weed and have a range of casual to pseudoCEDH
>>96569349My go to response is usually "I want to play the game too."
>>96569273>Witness Protection, but it costs 2 morenigga this card is ass
>>96569265A guy I was playing against was running this in the 99 of his Master deck, I was playing cynette, but had nothing on board and nothing in hand due to the sen triplates player having mindlock/Marlen out. I got hit for 12 double strike and since my deck was all 1-3 man flyers he ended up with 8 free flyers off me.
>playing Mtg on and off since 2004>back then, only played with a cousin of mine in the summer, and would play alone all the time to test my shitty decks>playing Arena since it launched, got mythic several times>have a pretty decent duel 60 card deck building knowledge And yesterday, I went to my LGS to play commander with my Reanimator Liesa jank. It was fun, the 3 guys I sat with were pretty chill, but all of them had pretty strong decks and game knowledge, and holy shit, the pace of a commander game is completely different of duels, it’s like EVERY single turn you gotta to a lot to keep it up, and a lot of cards that would be decent on a 60 deck format are completely ass on commander. Cool experience, but man, people were not lying when they said is absolutely completely different then playing 60 decks duels.
>>96569354>You're just playing wheel/counterspell! All you're doing is telling everyone else "no"!REAL phrase I heard from someone playing against my deck with 0 wheels.
>>96569357>t. someone who's commander was hit by Imprisoned in the Moon
>>96569409And yesterday, I went to my LGS to play commander with my Reanimator Liesa jank for the first time*fixd
>>96569357Witness Protection leaves them as a creature that can easily "out itself" by simply blocking with it. Whereas imprisoned makes it a wider range of things into a land that isn't as easy to remove.The fact that you can deny an important land for 3 mana is worth it if you ask me.
>>96569265I think his main flaw is that his ability scales with power so you want to Voltron him up but in 1v1 settings you're just gonna kill somebody before you get decent value off of him and in commander it encourages you not to focus someone down so you don't miss the stuff you stole from them
>person brings netdecked cEDH level deck to game night>3/4th of it is proxiedwhy do people do this?
>>96569357>WP - Cheaper, but gives your opponent a 1/1 that can block, be sac'd, etc to retrieve your commander again. Can also do shit like flicker, or Undying Malice effects to get rid of the aura >IitM - expensive, slower, can cuck colours that don't have a lot of methods to interact with enchantments
>>96569357Just gonna ignore the fact that it doesn't just target creatures and turns the enchanted card into a type that's harder to interact with?
>>96569464if it wasnt proxied and he was pubstomping you with just his wallet would you be ok with that?
>>96569464tell him his deck is too strong for the table and to come back next week with a more appropriate deck
>>96569503Yes, I'd be interested in seeing cool and expensive real cards in person, and then simply ask him to change deck if he's shitting on us too much. People who proxy are the fucking worst.
Stumped on the number of manadorks and type of interaction for Tasigur. I want to be able to pod my mana dorks into some of my wincons like Witherbloom Apprentice, but I'm worried 6 is too many with the other things I have. And I'm not sure what to cut for Tear Asunder and Resculpt.https://moxfield.com/decks/u7hdBZs-pkyemVN3ys50qA
>>96569549Why didn't you just reach over and rip up his cards before getting the store owner to kick him out?
>>96569464>"I don't use brackets" players complaining about the exact issue brackets address
>>96569549time to take a mortgage out on my house then and pwn some n00bs at the lgs then
>>96569076>worst commander show>jewtubeWhy do you watch it?>>96568989The set is garbage but pre release prices always tank
>>96569357anon with a masterclass bait here, trully a Blue player
I don't like theft because It feels like i'm being cucked and humilated. Like yeah could you just beat me with your own cards please?
>>96569503nta but yes fucking YES I would. If you wanna swipe for the $1500 deck you printed out at the library then I'd be much more willing to suffer through it. Hell, I'd be real interested in seeing just how powerful you can go. But people just putting together a fucking sweaty ass proxy deck just for the sake of stomping on others is the dumbest motherfucking thing
>>96569090No i think thats a retarded interpretation of what I said because you are low IQ. Your deck should only have good cards that you are always happy to play. That doesnt mean every card has to do everything, it means if im going to put a mana rock in my deck I need to be happy with what it will do whether I play it on t3 or t8.>im just boredYoure just dumb.>varianceThis has nothing to do with variance.
>>96569265kotis is pretty terrible
>>96569608your face is pretty terrible
>>96569582It's the innate tranny urge to violate others. Just as they violate women's spaces, and what it means to be a woman, they wish to defile others, it is erotic to them. So they violate your deck, and use it to violate you
>>96569265I was trying around with building this guy decided against it cause 3c is gay but now I think I will cause I have all the lands for it and the rest of the deck can be 10c protection and removal
>>96569503>if he was a hard working person who invested in their hobby would you be okay with it?Absolutely 100%.
>>96569555>https://moxfield.com/decks/u7hdBZs-pkyemVN3ys50qAgilded goose but no BoP? I would always lean heavier on dorks but that's just me
>>96569565Brackets don't address any issuesthey could have, but currently they do exactly the same thing as the 1-10 system.
>>96569613>anon plays NO interaction
>>96569658>this argument againAll decks run interaction, theft is something else.If the game did not have removal and instead the way to deal with shit was steal it, then stealing would be accepted and destroying would be seen differently.When you troons sit down with your theft deck, you know full well you're likely the only person at the table playing ANY theft cards, let alone centring a whole deck around it.
>>96569611sure but the point is: kotis is terrible
>>96569582I swung with Kotis on a guy and he just fucking flipped out, acted like a total bitch ass and then as soon as the game ended he just yoinked up all his cards and stormed out
>>96569654>what bracket is your deckAnon will either say 5, or lie and not say 5. After/during the game you can go>oh thats a bracket 5 actually you lied!And he couldnt say anything becauss there is an objective measure to point to.>what if hes a fag from /edhg/ and says we dont know his intent and he has B1 intentYou are a big boy anon and get to choose what you believe that people say! You get to judge intent as you see it as well! 1-10 was all theater.
>>96569673>all decks run interactionThey dont have to. Why are you trying to impose your will on my board state? Stop violating my game space please!>trannyMy wife is young and beautiful and natural ^.^
>>96569700>^.^TROON
>>96569645I don't have the card sadly. I think I can scrounge up a few more dorks, but I've got no idea what to cut. Do you think 8 is enough?
>>96569716yeah, seems good. The true test is to play it enough.
>>96569713Anon you were logically dismantled and got triggered by the silly faces my wife likes to use in our texts.
>>96569573I didnt even click it, I just saw the thumbnail of them all in costune
>>96569713>obsessed with people who didnt do anything to him
>>96569658I do but you fucks keep stealing it
>>96569774>trannies ain't never done nuffin to women!
>>96569700>Why are you trying to impose your will on my board stateThe board state isn't yours, its made up of all 4 players.
>>96569582>look at cards being played>thinks about actual cuckingI think you have a different problem you should should address.
>>96569791yes
>>96569797>you're such a weirdo for thinking about cucking in a card game! now sit down and watch me fuck- I mean play your wife- I mean deck
>>96569810And when I give you a list of examples of women being assaulted and raped by trannies you will ignore them?
>>96569795And you are violating my space on it. Youre an troon unc anon lmao
>>96569797Cucking doesn't just mean the sex thing. Its general slang now for any kind of humilation involving being deprived of things yown or rightfully yours.>"just got cucked out of bacon, the last two were taken by the guy in front if me"
>>96569830and when I give you a list of examples of women being assaulted by other cis women or cis men you'll ignore that? people hurt each other
>>96569831You don't have a sspace on it, their are no individual board states, its one big board
>>96569795>The board state isn't yoursSweaty..
>>96569846>people hurt each otherLmao what do you think the rate of cis women sexually assaulting and raping other cis women is compared to men v women? Cos I reckon the rate of men doing it is 1000 times higher or men.And trannies are men, soooooooooooooooo
>>96569853Thats not true at all. >under your controlIs your space on the board. Don't talk about the game if you dont understand it anon its unbecoming. Accept you made a retarded argument that extends naturally to any form of interaction and be done with it, my word.
>what a long day I work>I wonder what is happening in my favorite internet place
>>96569869No. You control the pernanents, not the board, the board is not in sections, it is one entity as each permanent directly affects each other, it can't be anything else
>>96569896It's almost as if trannies infect literally everything they can and insist on the exclusion of those who don't play along with their delusions
>>96569868>already dropped the premise and is just shouting hateConcession accepted, I'm sorry for whatever is bothering you.
>>96569685so the systems ARE exactly the same then. too easy to abuse and useless since you just tell yourself whatever you want anyway
>>96569917>trannies wish to violate others>"no they don't!">yeah they do, do you want examples?>"uhhhh well I can give other examples of people hurting women!">okay and how much more do you think men hurt women than women hurt other women? trannies are men>"you're just shouting hate!!!!!!"Concession accepted, I'm sorry for whatever is bothering you.
>>96569924>no dude seriously I'll just be a bad actor see it doesnt work!!!Retard alert
>>96569939>no trust me bro nobody would lie, you are the only onesounds like someone who wants the system to not improve
>>96569685>1-10 was all theater.And 1-5 isnt?Cant believe Gavin is STILL in edhg trying to do damage control
Brackets and PL are dumb, if you have a weaker deck you should still play them and take priide in winning or just making it hard for them, thats called be a man!
>>96570012I've been stomping pubs lately with optimized pauper lists
>>96569897Again you're wrong. There is a reason that in tournaments you put your cards on your side of the board and not your opponents. At all times YOUR board state must be easily assessed, which is partly done by having your OWN board space. By all means thoigh enter into a tournament and play your lands on top of your opponents lands and put your creatures down in front of him>>96569910But anti theft people started crying about trannies for no reason. You whiny niggers brought them up lol>>96569994No, it isnt.
>>96567004https://www.mtgnexus.com/customcards/3883-castlevania/I actually found some fan-made cards for Castlevania on a site, and they actually are... pretty cool. Not perfectly designed, a bit sloppy, but some cool cards.
>>96570075>for no reason.The reason is that trannies disproportionately play theft for reasons already explained.
>>96570012How do you know it's a weaker deck if you don't rate it's "power level" to compare it to other decks. It sounds like you've created another power level system all over again.
>>965701213+ color hands made this propaganda
>>96569910It's a mental illness that's why. Anyone who thinks a man can become a woman and vis-versa is retarded and/or mentally ill beyond repair.
>>965701543 colors is the point at which identity begins to break down. Some aspects of 3 color identity can make sense, but many of them don't
>>96569161It's crashing harder and faster han Aetherdrift. Spooderpoo capeshit scalpers are in shambles.It generally takes until 2 weeks after a set releases for prices to crash. Spoidershit hasn't even released yet. KWAB
>>96570077Putting nightbound on non permanents is kinda cool
>>96570177>scalpers are in shamblesGood I want every investorfag to lose money and stop fucking with this game. WotC should reprint valuable cards into the fucking dirt also
>>96570134You just don't ask about other peoples decks and just play
>>96569600>happy to playWow those goalposts moves quick>has nothing to do with varianceCard compression decreases variance, it gives more options more often. If you can't see that, you have no room to comment on IQ.
>>96570239the only people who think like this are the ones that know deep down their deck is unfun gimmick shit that no sane person would tolerate
>>96570239No that's not what I mean. You're rating thier deck above your deck in order to determine yours is weaker. By claiming one is weaker you've created a stratification of power levels.
>>96569077Cope harder capeshitter
Best 5 color commander for mutate? I want to give it a try
>come to this thread ever day>ur an old man ur decks are outdated>actually play at an lgs in paper>most players, even ones I know have been playing for years, hardly know the rules let alone how to read the boardHuh. Anyway here's what I won with yesterday.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-07-24-mana-mastery/Ive been thinking about adding pic related for fun but idk how many more fun slots I have in this pos.
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>>96569854I love winning with this. If there are no blue players or sack outlets out, you're golden.>fogFUCK
>>96570449Sometimes you get em and sometimes you get gotNothing wrong with that
>>96570432>stack him up with mutate>put all of those cards on the top of the library Surely theres something you can do with that
Jesus christPleasantKenobi made another spiderman vid where he was like "everyone hates the spiderman set. I guess they are right that pigeons and hotdogs dont belong in mtg. Anyways Im tired and the lotr set was amazing!"Big npc vibes
>>96570254I dont see how that is moving the goalposts.>mumbo jumboVariance is a personal decision and the bracket system is there to help you not get swept away by players that care less about said variance. But even then as we see with modal cards they arent any more played, generally less actually, than none modal ones so your assumption is pretty poor!
>>96570449> fogOh.Well in that case I sac all your creatures to my goblin bombardment
>>96570537Anyone who thinks we can selectively limit UB to things that "fit Magic" has the processing capacity of a home PC from the 90s.It's a completely subjective criteria, and WotC are not doing UB to "fit Magic" they're doing it to make money. The fucking k-pop crossover almost happened. It's why the anti-UB stance is completely justified. You cannot fucking negotiate with these people. Either you buy the UB slop and WotC pursues anything they think will be profitable and you get to see fucking "Bagel and Schmear" at your pod, or you flip the fucking table scream and smear shit on the walls and WotC never tries that shit again. There is no middle ground
>>96570569> the slippery slope fallacy is realWoah next youll tell me that UB has entered standard and that its no longer limited to mtg adjacent
>>96567772Rent free
>>96570537You're telling me a guy with a star wars name is a soulless söygoy?No way!
>>96569854I remember some guy plaid this then had a melty when I told him I'm not moving all my shit over to his board for one turn and he can just tap them in my side, I'm making the efforrt to move 24 creatures just for one turn, thats insane
>>96570541Cards that are good draws in a specific situation and cards you are happy to see are not even close to the same thingCard compression is more than just modal spellsStapling card draw or ramp to other effects is also card compression It's been fun but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about so this conversation is over
>>96570591Cant relate. When I play insurrection either people interract with it or they consneed. No need to move or tap the cardboard
If you want to check out a game ruined by trannies look up android: netrunner>old wotc ip borrowed by ffg>ip revoked killing the game>fan driven expansions are a dumpsterfire>inb4 A:NR UB
>>96568085No, it's still single target removal even though it's recurring. I think people need to get a little bit more comfortable with some land destruction. I am relatively new to EDH from 60 card formats, and its kind of surreal to me how much sheer butthurt land destruction causes in this format, when the strategy has been part of the game since the beginning.
>>96570537Even the disneytard redditor hates Spooderman and even the anthropomorphic personifications of reddit itself Saffronolive and tolarian community college are openly shitting on the set.
>>96570602This is why you run ghostly prison.
>>96570615Are there any mtg creators that aren't tranny-loving golems?
A shitty set every once in a while is MtG culture and tradition, faggots.
>>96570637Rudy, but i guess he doesn't actually play. Just a sealed product vendor.
>>96570637I saw some channel of zoomers playing bracket 3 shit the other day but they havent uploaded in 8 months
>>96570569Most of the things on this list are fallacies.
>>96570647But we haveny had a good set since bloomburrow and even that was only saved by the art
>>96570780Is this a meme I don't get?
>>96570789I liked Duskmourn except for all the 80s shit. If it was a haunted house set without the horror movie angle it would have been a very good set imo
>>96570789And then immediately afterwards, Duskmourn was an awesome set held back by a lot of awful art.
>>96570818What was awesome about it? I decided to skip drafting for that set it looked like ass
>>96570569>A FUCKING BAGELIS THAT A HECKIN FOOD ITEM INVENTED HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO!? AHHHH HELP ME QUARTERING!
>>96570809If you want to make the connection that a spider-man set means "VTUBERS AND YOUTUBER SETS" then hey, you suffer that retardation. No evidence exists to support the assertation."b-but they put spider-man..."which youtuber is he?
>>96570595I used them interchangeably so it would be logical to assume i see rhe same qualities in both groups and the difference there is semantical. I do not engage with illogical people
>>96570537Never turn your hobby into a careerNever talk about the size of your butthole online
>>96570818Better than bloomburrow art at least>bros remember some shit novel from the 80's 99% of people never knew of?! IT'S BACK! IN CARD FORM!
>>96570831Buy your slop piggy, you're not welcome here
You'd think a general with the delusion of "every UB is a failure" would not be concerned about UB because if that statement is true then clearly it will end very soon for profit reasons.
>>96570855>NOOOOO THIS IS MY GENERAL! I'M IN CHARGE HERE!You're a pretty big shitposter.
>>96570809>you flip the fucking table scream and smear shit on the walls and WotC never tries that shit againI'm not trying to be a dick head but what the fuck are you talking about?It's 2025 did you just wake up from a 10 year nap?We're way way past bitch fits having any effect on Wizards product strategy.UB is already a massive financial success and has produced some of the best selling and most profitable sets in the history of the game.THERE IS NO GOING BACK.The sooner you can get that through your head the easier things will be for you.
>>96570859>every UB is a failureI've literally never seen anyone say that, you're beating up a fantasy.
>>96570815I don't even think the 80s horror movie stuff is bad in theory, the main issue is that Duskmourn looks like it's actually set in the 80s rather than being inspired by a genre popular in the 80s. It's a recurring issue with mtg's "inspiration", they're not actually inspired by the things they claim to be inspired by, they're producing carbon copies and parodies of it, or making references at best. Trying to force it to fit a magical aesthetic by making all the 80s era tech have green lightning around it also looked stupid and somehow ended up being worse than if it was just straight up real world tech. Yeah, having literally just an ordinary camera is lazy, but an ordinary camera that's covered in green lightning is a half assed cop out that shows a lack of confidence in what they were doing and an unwillingness to fully commit to it. It takes a setting that's already difficult to take seriously and downgrades it to being impossible to take seriously.
>>96570843>If you want to make the connection that a spider-man set means "VTUBERS AND YOUTUBER SETSThis is what it means though.>No evidence exists to support the assertation.What evidence do you realistically think there could be? Hasbro and WotC are private companies, we do not have access to the information of what they have upcoming (sets are planned 2 years in advance, in case you didn't know) or what they have discussed in the past but not gone through with.We know they considered a k-pop set, so what makes a Youtuber set so impossible? The answer is: nothingIf you like UB, just say you like UB instead of trying to tell other frogs that the pot isn't heating up.
>>96569265I don't know why he also has indestructible. Everything else I can accept. i don't like it, but I can accept it. But why the fuck does he also have indestructible on top of it all? Removes any of the risk of trying to get in with him.
>>96570870Membah the guy who was arguing FF flopped because he saw some decks on sale at a costco?I membah
>>96570869>We're way way past bitch fits having any effect on Wizards product strategy.Not even remotely true, just look at the Omen Paths
>>96570881If you were on the winning side you wouldn't have to lie about what was said. No one said FF flopped, they said WotC created false scarcity around the set
>>96570897>LyingBoring.
>>96570889Omenpaths was due to licensing it had nothing to do with complaints.Water we dune here B?
>It's another "scream and cry because the wizard scrimblo brimblo wasn't on my art" episodeONCE IN A LIFE TIMEWATER FLOWING UNDERGROUNDSame as it ever wasSame as it ever wasSame as it ever was
>>96570815Im still mad at this shit. Why did they have to include headphones and garb that looks modernJust make the card in a fantasy setting, clowns
>>96570979Why do you assume everyone likes fantasy?
>>96570919>Omenpaths was due to licensing it had nothing to do with complaints.When Omen Paths gets printed in paper because the community overwhelmingly preferred it to Spider-Slop even though Rosewater outright stated UW was never happening again, you will- well you'll just make up some excuse for why you were wrong so you can continue to believe what you already believe instead of re-evaluationg
>>96570989If you want a different flavor then go play a different game, clown
>>96570992Omenpaths isnt coming to paper, clown
>>96570995If you literally just play for a setting then D&D is down the hall and to the left, no games-bro
>>96570989This is a fantasy game, if you don't want it to be a fantasy game go play Digimon or something I guess>inb4 "20 years ago they put a rifle on a card so anything is permissible!!!"See pic related
>>96570992>When Omen Paths gets printed in paperThat is never going to happen. Screencap my post I can 100% guarantee it.
>>96571003>>96571016Screencappin'
>>96571015Fantasy is not a gameplay mechanism and has nothing to do with the game itself. You should go watch movies or read books if scrimblo the wizard is all you care about. You do not like the game. You like a shitty Tolkien rip off.Keep telling people to "leave." You have no power here and are crying. Go apply to be a janny.Whiny bitchAlso we had a cardIn the FF setThat this general jacked off over lmao
>>96570615>a bunch of boomer YouTubers don't like sets not aimed at themWowie zowie get rekt WOTC even though spider man has already sold gang busters and the majority of the playerbase don't care what's on their cards this means magic is dead and once it dies we'll magically go back to [Last Year I Thought Magic Was Good] and all the ethnicities you hate will die also you'll get your dream girl!
I HECKING LOVE JANKY DECKS
>>96570822Delirium is always fun in limited, and having delirium in a set with such a strong focus on enchantments, especially enchantment creatures, alongside a lot of artifact creatures, made it feel a lot easier to pull off than it usually is, which significantly changes how it feels to play it. You can turn it on a lot faster than normal, without needing to worry about milling as much, which puts it into a more aggressive niche than it had in SoI. Manifest Dread was an excellent mechanic that managed to make face down creatures actually feel worthwhile, which is something I never thought I'd say, and due to Manifest Dread putting stuff in the graveyard it paired well with all of the other graveyard stuff going on in the set. Rooms were novel, and while I think their actual implementation is a rules nightmare that never should have gone to print, none of their major issues will ever come up in a limited environment. They're actually pretty decent in limited, due to basically being two cards stapled together, and they integrate with everything else going on in the set nicely. Having only two vehicles and two things with convoke, all of which were rare or higher, meant that Survival typically needed to be pulled off through combat. IMO that feels a lot better than how it tends to play outside of limited where you just crew with them to get their payoffs risk free. Overall the set just felt very cohesively designed, with everything fitting together to enable each other decently well.
>>96571032Spooder-man is aimed at their boomer reddit demographic. Zoomzooms and kids don't give a shit about capeshit disneytard MCU slop. They definitely aren't buying or reading the comics kek
>>96571015>magic has had robots and guns and lasers and space ships for 20+ years>"ItS a FaNtAsY gAmE cArS wOuLd LoOk SiLlY iN iT!"
>>96571032>all the ethnicities you hate will die also you'll get your dream girl!This is all projection. You're certainly a bitter little chud.
>>96570929Wut
>>96571066Zoomies and aspies have grown up with nothing but capeshit being the movies and tv shows they watched. Though that's an irrelevant point since young people aren't playing Magic in any appreciable numbers at all.
>>96571004>no games-broI play every week, clown
>>96571053Hmm sounds interesting>draft box is 120Pass
>>96571068It had it's own unique style in the mirridon block. It was nostalgic as much as it was futuristic. It fit the genre and was obviously done by talented people and had an art director making sure everything was more or less cohesive.
>>96571030>Fantasy is not a gameplay mechanismSee image here >>96570569If you want to claim that you only play Magic for the mechanics1. You're a fucking liar2. The game would never be as popular as it is if it was just blank cards with rules text, flavor matters3. You could fuck off an play Lorcana then because mechanically they game works almost exactly the same- why don't you do that? Oh because you're playing Magic for Magic and don't want to play the Disney card game instead
>>96571080Zoomies don't give a shit about capeslop. They view it as boring normie shit old people and their dads like. Box office numbers reflect this. Zooms like streamers, skibidy toilet, anime and minecraft.
>>96571116>Box office numbers reflect thisYeah it has nothing to do with the quality of those movies nose diving for a decade straight
>>96571163That's why Zoomies see capeslop as lame and gay boomer movies for dads
>>96571115>mechanically Lorcana works almost exactly the sameNot even remotely anon.
>>96571302Incorrect
Waiter! Another UB argument please, I'm hungry.
UB is great if I enjoy the IP, and killing Magic when I don't.
Out of curiosity, why was LotR the only UB to race-swap absolutely everything?
>>96571411Because the settings appeals to Magics previous core audience, which WotC disdains immensely
>>96571411It wasn't.
>>96571411Ask the IP owners
>>96571425Did ass creed get it too?
>>96571411Man all this time later it still sticks in my crawThey couldn't just let something be the way it was, you have to be reminded of irl bullshit
>>96571429Dracula.Try to figure out what Dracula and LOTR have in common
>>96571397Yes that is the perspective of UB slop slurpers.Meanwhile I hate UB, I think it is bad for the game, and I own 0 UB cards. I have never bought a UB card. I have never bought a product that has UB cards in it. I only wish I could say that I've never touched a UB card but regrettably I have had to read the paragraphs of bullshit on Doctor Who cards.I like Spider Gwen, I will not be buying anything from the Spider-Man set.I like Avatar the Last Airbender, I will not be buying anything from that set.I am a Cosmere nerd and would absolutely have bought cards from a Cosmere UB if they had released it like 4 years ago, but now I see the path UB has put us on I would not touch it even if they printed it.It's called having principles anon, you're more than welcome to try it.
>>96571439>reee UBHE DID THE THING!!!
>>96571411Tolkien Estate actually does this a lot. Sure, they couldn't use the likenesses of the actors in the movie, but I guarantee you WotC was instructed to do it. Meanwhile other IPs have more consistent character design and branding that they'd rather stick to
>>96571367How do you play lorcana anon?
>>96571411IP owners didnt give two shits about how wotc handles it. Compared to Square Enix breathing down their necks in the entire design process.
>>96571443AND YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENTS TO MAKE, YOU CAN ONLY PRETEND YOU ARE ENTERTAINED AND THEREFORE WINNING! WHAT A HOLLOW LIFE YOU MUST LEAD!
>>96571450You look for the dumpy obese white woman table at your LGS and ask them to teach you
>>96571454I'm just bored of the same arguing every fucking hour. You can only do the same thing so many times before it becomes a chore.
>>96571411Because the IP owners didn't give a fuck about character depictions.
Any way to build these that's not sweaty tryhard bullshit? Still need to do this color combo and none of the Partner cards do anything new/interesting
>>96571462I see. Honestly none of the major TCGs play like eachother.
UB discussion should kindly be moved to /acg/. Thank you.
>>96571473You could make a cool phyrexian themed deck out of 4 mana Atraxa.
>>96571476UB hate should be moved to /mtglore/ generalOh wait that died
>>96571479Yeah but it'd just be yet another generic tribal deck, and since so many of them do toxic/infect, people are just gonna roll their eyes at "yet another infect Atraxa deck"
>>96571473Do these cards do something new or interesting?
>>96571493That's what I'm trying to find out.
>>96571473Praetor's voice is good if you want to do planewalker proliferating memes
>>96571504I already have a Guff superfriends deck that I can only sometimes bust out due to how long turns get with it. That and Sagas were definitely the first thing I thought of
So are these things in collector boosters? People have been getting boosters already so it should be known.
>>96571523https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-marvels-spider-manYes, apparently collector boosters only
>>96571537>>96571537>>96571537
>>96571468It's almost as if UB and the effect it has on the game is the most important topic for discussion since fucking Companions.
>>96571474Lorcana absolutely does, mechanically it is almost 1 to 1. Illusion creatures even die when targeted by effects just like Magic lolThe biggest difference is that it doesn't work on a life system and you can't attack your opponent. Instead you're trying to gain 20 lore which you get from tapping creatures or some spells.As a result, combat is different. You don't declare blockers, instead your tapped creatures can be attacked by opposing creatures.But that's pretty much it. The phases are exactly the same, there are creatures and artifacts etc, creatures have summoning sickness but artifacts don't, there are color identities, red (ruby) creatures often have haste, things cost mana (although all mana is generic)I could go on. I haven't seen confirmation but I'd bet money on the design philosophy being that they want dads who play Magic to easily figure out the rules to play with their kids and encourage them into it
>>96571111>i-it doesn't c-countKill yourself
>>96570569>k-pop crossover almost happenedwait, they pulled out from that?
