The Great Hunger Edition>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What Trench Crusade is notTC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc>Trench CompendiumCompendium: https://trenchcompendium.netlify.app/Feedback Form: https://forms.gle/k44MxmJxWu3upDHT8>Previous thread:>>96539829>Thread Question:Thoughts on The Great Hunger beta list?
>>96608758way over-tuned, should probably remove Undead Fortitude from grail thralls so that they aren't absolute cancer to deal with
>>96608758Cool but the obviously haven’t tested it in a campaign. Without flies and amalgam once you have maxed elites you can do fucking nothing with your ducats. And you’re going to hit max warband limit very quickly
>>96608758>Thoughts on The Great Hunger beta list?>Mfw it's been 3.27 seconds since the pdf dropped and new recruit hasn't updatedReeee spoonfeed meBut seriously it's hard to say without playing against it but they look really slick. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out in longer campaigns like with naval raiders
>>96608758Alright anon's since I didn't really get any traction before do you guys even want someone to make faction rolling tables? If so I can just draft them myself, but it wouldn't be a community thing unfortunately.
>>96610947why not make an image that people can repost if they want?
>>96610619Companion's been updated.It seems interesting, theres a lot of stuff going on but that makes sense for a third party variant. Agree with >>96610397 that it's going to be hard to hit the ducat cap even with the extra equipment and legally-distinct-goetics
do people like... actually play almost a year after or is it still more of an elaborate ttrpg/wargame setting?
>>96611240>do people like... actually play almost a year after orYes, and it's easy to convince people who actually play tabletop to try it when you tell them their existing minis are fine to use and they really only need about 15 models or so for a full campaign. >or is it still more of an elaborate ttrpg/wargame setting?I mean yeah that's kind of the point of a narrative wargame. You craft a story for your doods, about how Hienrich the poor farm boy from Austria killed a Hell Knight with nothing but his bolt action and faith, got a promotion, lost an eye, then killed a time warping assassin in close combat, before retiring from front line service after taking a leg injury. That's what wargames are all about anon, what's not to love?
>>96609216Idk, the thralls are just really shit to the point that I dont think all their boosts can balance out having effectively no range.
alba lore? any alba lore?
>>96612299>warband wants you to use a ton of thralls>the natural benefit of this should be board control>however you have to stay within 12 of the hag for a dash bonus because ‘lol no instruments’>you also want to stay close to the hag to redirect damage because she has NO ARMOUR and is weak to fire>the game just devolves into you taking an eternity moving thralls 5 inches in a big ballI just don’t see how it’s going to be fun to play or play against
>>96612701I'll find it fun to remove multiple models per shot with gls and my arty witch and infiltrating flamers will like wise rejoice at the slaughter they commit
I was interested in the game, but the makers went all tranny woke.
>>96612840ThisThe concept art is cool but aside from that its been a massive disappointment
>>96611172I just tried it on a trench compendium and I really don’t see how this band is going to work later on. Even basic yeomen are going to be kicking your ass as soon as they start getting kit. You’ve just got thralls
>>96612840>>96612913The devs aren’t sitting at a table playing with you so who cares. >you have played the game haven’t you anons?The real issues are the snails pace schedule for the official release and that it has no retail presence. Also that there’s massive design issues with the subfactions
>>96612840I dont fucking care, if they make cool minis and artwork I could care less
>>96612840(you)Go away arch.
How is TC woke? No one can answer.
>>96610947>since I didn't really get any tractionThat should be enough to tell you that no one wants anything to do with your fucking stupid shit. Now fuck off and stop clogging up the forum ffs.
>>96613472>snails pace scheduleMy understanding is Tuomas, without higher ups breathing down his neck, can get caught up in the weeds and enjoyment of designing-stuff and going to cons in a way that can muck up the logistics of running a business.
>>96613753Because someone they usually associate with good takes told them theyre suppose to dislike so they do. There is no woke in the game, and knowing nothing else about the game besides the youtubers they watch, the game is woke because they said so.Reminder Arch had to argue with his own audience when he pulled a "well its woke but we should coopt it" with KCD2 even after the devs actually did make the game woke and even argued with the audience over it, calling them directly racists and grifters, but consistently tells people to walk away from TC despite there being no woke in the game...he argued the career artists and game designer with several games under their belt needed to pander to him to be successful, and when they didnt its because they are woke.
>>96613753the most woke thing being is the moral relativism "umm the lore is only told from church side" ignoring the fact that if you're not evil enough then you can't even serve in the heretic legion as a meatshield trooper
>>96613850I’m happy they’re enjoying themselves however I was a KDM fan and Poots had the exact same issue. I don’t see that the scale creep is too bad for TC but I want more gameplay additions than these random lore bits
>>96613814>stop clogging up the forum ffs.>with a community driven project>those things that build rapport and a culture around it>when the thread is under siege by trollsAlright anon, please post a picture of your warband so that we can see that you aren't just another secondary troll looking to cause strife in the thread. You are but calling you out costs me little
>>96613753Just look at their social media and writing team.
>>96613753Because the Discord server is run by 28mag, yes it's really that stupid
>>96608758>TQSeem a little too powerful imo but will have to see how they play in campaign.>>96613478>I dont fucking care, if they make cool minis and artwork I could care lessSo much this ^>>96610947No one cares, anon.>>96611240The game's fun af but getting anyone locally to play it is a mad struggle.
Good base for Black Grail conversions?
>>96613950forgot pic lol
>>96613932Yeah but there's nothing woke in the game that I've seen at all.
>>96613950>>96613953sure
>>96613954If you've lived through the Sarkeesian age then it's mostly the same but for the other side right now. I do think someone got banned for digging up old tweets that a mod made however. She (the mod) was seething about white people every day while also being fat and jewish, nothing new under the sun.
>"You'll take of that gasmask for me won't you, anon-kun?"
>>96614134>fucking heretics
>>96613937>Lancer>Trench CrusadeWhat are some other games with eternally poisoned discussion on /tg/ because some fags got banned on a discord
>No paraglides for ISThis game is not metal
>>96613937No it's not? TC discord is run by the TC guys.
>Trench Crusade is woke because I went on their discord and shouted heil hitler and spammed nigger and they banned me!!!
Great Hunger seems like Coldsteel the Hedgehog tier horrible OC
>>96614639Effectively it is because they said they trust 28mag and their moderation team unequivocally
>>96614844Shut the fuck up you unfathomable retard.
I really like azebs, the look and the lore. These humble men are your friends, they fight for freedom.
>>96614885I'm not even hating I'm just pointing out what they said and what the reality of the situation is
>>96614690It's clear that they, and particularly the Gregori Gula, are supposed to be inspired by anthrax spores, what with the sitting dormant for years undisturbed in mass graves before suddenly bursting out and causing havoc, but the aesthetics and rules to match that idea are a bit subpar. Right now it feels like the faction's is a mess from being taken in too many directions at once.
>>96614911>minimal starvation>minimal gluttony>’hunger’ just seems you have a lot of thralls rather than something to do with the disease>apart from the one butcher knight that has a mouth shoulderThe models are a thematic mess
>>96614888I like the chaff units of all the factions, its why I would like for some mechanic or rule that lets you just take like 5 of them without taking up a unit slot. I think Black Grail is getting a unit that does this(matagot hag when taken gives you 4 "free" units for the price of the single hag), I want to see every faction have something like that so the table is a bit more busy and I get to see more cool units.
Still actually need to play game. Gonna do one with a friend in table top sim. I've got some irl Antioch models and waiting on the core rules delivery.
>>96613753The popular answer is because Arch said so, and Mike Franchina for some reason wants to continue this “feud”.The real reason is that they made a setting based on Christianity, which believes in ontological good and evil, then tried to make it morally relativistic. Which has absolutely gimped the lore and turned it into an unintentional comedy.I hope they revise it for 1.0, because they’re right on the edge of making this pretty cool.
>>96615904Where is it written that it's morally relativistic? I think it was clear that the heretics are obviously horrible and the abrahamic factions are good though have to use fucked up means to an end (the end being stopping literal evil from taking over earth).
>>96615904He said he just liks drawing religious imagery, a lot of the art existed before the game was a thing. The only reason its about religion at all is because the guy that started this likes drawing stuff to do with religion, he doesnt even know the context of them he just likes how they look...There was no plan.Without the art this setting wouldve went nowhere. Its why so many games start and vanish, its the idea guy making a setting with narry a clue on what actually makes a game appealling, and for a format where you will be looking at models, visuals are the utmost important thing. No amount of writing, books on the subject and lore can get people interested in a game that looks visually uninteresting. This is a game made by an artist, not a writer its why the writing is so shallow, but the aesthetics are king. I dont even know if they should start expanding on the writing, because they you start getting writing from people who dont write, or they bring someone in and then someone else starts writing stupid shit, maybe its best to just leave it to specualation with dabs of information to work from.
>>96614617CAIN, for the same reasons as Lancer.
>>96614617Turnip. Im a chud and even Im sick of seeing this shit. Just because youre on the right it doesnt mean you are incapable of being an insufferable faggot.
>>96615904They made a setting based on Christianity because its themes and iconography is the lifeblood of grimdark and it kind of writes itself. There are issues with leaning too far into Christian canon because at some point you're gonna have to pick one main branch as the true canon and that has the potential ramifications of being more exclusionary than interesting. It makes more sense as a game system to lend themes and symbolism to create representation and bring in more players while allowing some element of mystery and create a world that makes sense for its inhabitants. For instance one of the things I noted right off the bat is the golden ornaments on the Iron Sultanate units when jewelry and especially gold is strictly forbidden for men to wear in Islam but as a tool or weapon channeling alchemical properties it can still make sense in-universe.
>>96616528It's not forbidden for men to wear gold in Islam. Historically they did it. It's just that some "modern" Islamic scholars say it's haram. You'll note that these modern islamic sects destroy art and jewellery in regions that were ALREADY islamic. The Sultanate takes inspiration from the Caliphates of old, not modern Afghanistan.
>>96615904>The real reason is that they made a setting based on Christianity, which believes in ontological good and evil, then tried to make it morally relativistic.This isn't quite accurate, trench crusade is only morally relativistic if you're looking at it as a moral relativist. But if you look at good/evil as something defined by god than it doesn't contradict that anymore than reality does.
>>96616378>I'm totally a chud which means I shill for blatant left-wing agitproptranny crusade and fagcer threads slide to the bottom because you're blatantly hostile takeover activists who don't give a shit about pen and paper and you know it.
>>96616695>blatantly hostile takeover activists who don't give a shit about pen and paper and you know it.>says the guy trying to claim a game is bad because of the politics of the people behind it and not the pen and paper
>>96616378>Just because youre on the right it doesnt mean you are incapable of being an insufferable faggot.I think being an insufferable faggot is implicit in being on the right. It's implicit in being on the left as well. Only we enlightened centrists are free of insufferable faggotry
>>96616596Not as modern as you think it's in hadiths from 8th/9th century Iran, Syria, Egypt etc but as you said many did it anyway. Tuomas even gave examples of the Janissaries wearing animal pelts even though that was also prohibited but I'd argue the Ottoman Empire was more lax than some.
>>96615904A big proportion of Christians don't believe in ontological good and evil but think it can be determined arbitrary by the decision of God, so that wouldn't be a problem. But there's really no indication that morality in TC is relativist.
>>96616695shoo nigger. I want to paint my minis
>>96616746They're mad that the creators themselves said being on the side of literal hell itself and demons isn't necessarily evil when the setting is based on primarily Christianity. One could argue that they use the words good and evil in different ways, an Atheist could view suffering and causing suffering for others as evil while Religious people could rationalize most acts if it serves a greater good. Christians would argue this is false because we're all created as God intended and are of divine essence but that's also the point of not leaning too far into any one belief system, it just poses a question that suppose you saw demons and miracles before your eyes how would you interact with the world when you're made that small. That's what they mean by the setting is morally grey I gather, but that view isn't going to fly for dogmatic world views who would rather immerse in crusading power fantasy (because the world uniting against a never ending horde of demons crusading in power armor against hell itself isn't enough).
>>96616831>They're mad that the creators themselves said being on the side of literal hell itself and demons isn't necessarily evilthey have said that the spiritual truth of the setting will never be revealed. They didn't say "it is sometimes not evil to be on the side of the demons", they said "it is not settled, and we will not settle, whether it is"that is good and not an endorsement of relativism.
>>96616904>Christians say the true nature of god is unknowable>Devs say that God's true intent is unknowableHow is this woke?
>I can't figure out if human sacrifice, slavery and cannibalism is bad unless a book tells me it is>this is everyone else's fault
>>96616831Previous poster here, also IRL Christian who mains Heretic Legion.My personal interpretation is that the opening of the hell gate in Jerusalem was so severe as to be a second Original Sin, which humanity as a whole is called to atone for. Since the defilement of earth was military in nature, so is the penance that must be given.Since humanity has completely failed to learn from their mistakes (flayed children, mass conscription, cloning and eating Jesus. a second TOWER OF FUCKING BABEL), the penance continues. And it will continue until humanity becomes Christ-like, or Hell consumes everything.At least that’s my preference. You can acknowledge the presence of good and evil in the setting without making one of the factions “good” themselves or chastising the players who choose the evil factions.
>>96616924Interesting.Viewing the hellgate opening as a second original sin opens up a lot a parallels to the temptation of eve. It's a novel way to look at it.
>>96616910the fact they made Hebrew knights who backstabbed the crusaders, the fact they made the ottoman fucking empire a civilization that was in a golden age until the evil westerners came and make it blatantly stated by the words of a turk himself, the first crusaders becoming evil because they killed le heckin jews and arabs which caused them to go insane and shout AAAAAH SATANMAN SAVE ME and commit human sacrifice rituals that they somehow knew about despite everything up to this point being based on the historical OTL. Things like that.
>>96616945the Great Heresy happened 200 years before the Ottomans even had a state, let alone an empire
>>96616945Satan tempted the crusaders to betray the jews and arabs nigga. Satan tempted them to open the hellgate. The Iron Sultanate didn't even exist when the fucking hellgate opened because the wall didn't even come up until then. Filthy secondary.
>>96616945you gotta work on the flow of your posts, king
>>96616968>niggadiscordian zoomer wigger scared to say nigger, what else is a surprise.
>>96617048Refute the point, Nigga.
>>96617084what would Terrynch Crusade be like?
>>96617098The whole thing would take place in Temple OS after a glow in the dark CIA nigger uploads Satan directly into the system as a computer virus.
>>96616945The only capital letters in this post either follow periods, or were you enabling caps lock.Please go back to school.
>>96614660Who are you quoting?
>>96617532Why are you acting like you don't know how greentext works? Newfag?
>>96616904> "it is sometimes not evil to be on the side of the demons", they said "it is not settled, and we will not settle, whether it is"I thought the main requirment for joining the heretic legion was a jounrney to the gates of hell, the only way to survive which is to have no good in your heart. To become a Chorister you have to kill yourself without of what waits you on the other side, willing to lose your very life and soul for power (remember, that power is an army that takes slaves for sacrifice)
>>96617743without proof* (that is, you may become a chorister after suicide or you may just be consumed by the devil). I promise you no one journeys to hell with evil in their heart and risks their life for power to command a slaver army because they may have been the good guys all along. Hell is irredeemably , absolutely, evil and it's the only way the Christians doing what they do makes any sense.
>>96617755My understanding its less about if hell is secretly good, and more about the intentions of the capital G God. You know, the age old "why does god allow evil, why test us if he is omnipotent, why does he give miracles to the Synod for torturing babies".Given we've been having this argument for 2000 years, the devs decided they wouldn't answer it.
>>96618195Yeah, this does appear to be a setting where He works in very mysterious ways.>Given we've been having this argument for 2000 years, the devs decided they wouldn't answer it.You're getting the setting and reality mixed up. Which may admittedly be one reason why the devs don't want to say anything definitive about the divine in this setting, though more likely it's mostly because they can't think of anything that makes the setting any better for them having said it, leaving the question mark is simply what works the best.
>>96614660When the head moderator of the discord looks like this, It makes me want to post some spicy stuff. >>96616831Pirinen himself said, and I'm quoting:>>"The interest thing about trench crusade to me it isn't "who is more evil?" because there are clearly, CLEARLY differences. The interesting question is about the powers fighting against hell, is when have they pushed it too far? And also how a Heretic society justifies what they do. "https://youtu.be/4ycAeA-huok?t=2115
>>96613753Because the muslims are 100 wholesome heckin' good guys while everyone the Christians are pretty much on the same level as literal demons
>>96619044Depends on what you view as “on the level of demons”. The Iron Sultanate relies heavily on artificial life forms that are specifically stated to be born without souls, but are intelligent enough to know what they lack. Which causes them massive depression and makes them prone to existential crises.It’s effectively a state reliant on slave labor, but the beings they enslave don’t even have the capacity to be freed from servitude.
>>96614660no it's woke because troons took over and tuomas is a gayfag
>>96619123So the muslims create AI that gets depressed while the Christians sacrifice babies?
>>96619140The sultanate also takes heretic (and maybe christian) children and indoctrinate them in being the slave warrior caste known as Jannisary, all of them are owned by the sultan. The other thing, is that they raise generation upon generations of people who they continually feed poision to make posions with their blood, and to use them in different ways, that's mostly on the Alamut side of the Sultanate.One thing to note, is that every position of suffering from the Christian side is completely voluntary.
>>96619140Where does is say they sacrifice babies? To be honest with TC I think it's obvious that the bad guys are the heretics and the food guys are the faithful but just because God is the ultimate good, doesn't mean every human in the faithful is good and that is what the Devs mean by "are they taking it too far" in the sense of are evil men doing evil with the "best intentions." For me I think the reason heaven doesn't get involved is the same reason hell doesn't directly get involved. Essentially humans have free will and with free will comes the ability for people to be evil. At the moment in TC it's only minor beasts and humans fighting each other so that's people exercising their right to be evil/good. If actual full demons came out of hell then heaven would nuke them.
>>96619140If you're talking aboutt the synod? They aren't babies, they take them from orphanages to see if they hear the voice of god.And if they do, they give them the whole treatment.
>>96619044People say this, but its pilgrims who are batshit insane. New Antioch is literally ordinary men and women in arms, defending the Christendom. Even tacticians are created by Synod of Strategic Prophecy, which is considered suspicious by other Christian factions. They're building a tower that is reminiscient of tower of Babel.Not sure why people focus on the sultanate as the sensible faction.
>>96619044the Sultanate's armies are made up of enslaved children force fed steroids and homunculi gifted with exactly enough intelligence to know that they're doomed to never have an afterlife
>>96620279I'm disappointed if house of wisdom doesn't do some disgusting alchemical testing on children, they're not above that.
>>96619044I didn't realize creating horrible artifical lifeforms that hate the fact that they were created and having their entire society depend on slaves is "wholesome hecking 100"
>>96612840neck yourself, /pol/ secondary
>>96619811Because 'moslems' or 'Muhammedans', and Islam not having traditions of mortification the way Christianity does to pull from in the same way.
>>96621550Yeah, Islam just has a tradition of slave armies.
>>96621704as I was inferring, it has different traditions from Christianity, and audience (un)familiarity comes in to play.Ahamduallah.
>>96621748I see. Far as I remember, I've seen some videos of muslims stabbing themselves with swords. It was in Turkey, if I remember it right. Some type of fakir stuff.But yeah, TC writers need to lean on different things, due to history and culture being different, and having different dark expressions.
>>96621796Speaking from my experience, the cruelties of the Sultanate would horrify adherents, especially with the artificial life.That is so HARAM in a way people outside the faith would not understand. Men creating life is the ultimate blasphemy against Allah, who has sole purview on Creation, and the fact the men know for a fact they have no souls and are condemned to a eternity of darkness outside Allah's Light is so horrid that it would be unimaginable.I respect the devs for knowing enough to push the right buttons for the right people. This game would be banned outright in Saudi Arabia, Iran and UAE if they knew about it.
Every single thread. >TC is woke! >No it's not! >It offends christians!>No it doesn't! Every thread. Every goddamn thread. Do you faggots not get bored of this?
>>96621846Interesting. So its just like the christendom, where the horror is how low the pious have fallen to fight the hordes of hell.
>>96622029No we don't!
>>96621846>>96622220Yeah, that's the whole narrative point of the song how war makes monters of men and pushe mankind to forsake their ethics out of a perceived necessity. Damning them as surely as any other sin. Narratively that's gorgeous, if you know, a bit grim. But that's the point of these kinds of settings, places where our own morality can be contrasted to see where we personally stand. Also doods in gas masks are just cool
>>96615904Christianity isn't real, if the devs say there's no real good and evil in the setting then there isn't.>noooo you can't have morally neutral orcs, Tolkien said they're irredeemable!
>>96621704>as if the Bible didn't contain direct instructions on how slavery should be structured
>>96624950>in order to describe why its badI love when people point this out. Its like explaining what a nazi is makes you a nazi because you explained the definition.
>>96621846Very interesting, anon. Thanks for the additional context. I’ll be sure to remember that while I’m spraying down my buddy’s lions of jabir with seven different submachine guns.>>96624138Whether it is real or not, I just want you to know that Jesus loves you and I hope you have a lovely weekend.
>>96623434Yeah the faithful factions are all pretty clearly fucking up their own religions teachings in pursuit of just survival - which is where I think the more interesting side of things comes from.> Sultanate constantly uses mind-altering drugs and creates artificical already-damned life.> New Antioch just churns out soldiers into the mud to keep back the horde for countless dead due to politics stifling decisive action.> Pilgrims take their faith to the point they reject all semblance of order and end up creating suicide bombers.And my assumptions for the other faithful factions> Synod are so dedicated to research in pursuit of victory they give 0 shits about the ethics of what they ask people to do> Crusader orders are so hell-bent (haha) on forgiveness for the sins of a group nearly 1000 years ago they hamper and destroy themselvesThe demonic factions are also pretty distinct views of rejecting the order and how it fucks with people> The Court is pure demoic heirarchy where might makes right, turning all its members into absurdly cruel monsters> Heretics live in perpetual propoganda and terrible lives which causes them to have a huge population of psychopaths and lunatics> Black Grail hates everything so much it just destroys and perverts everyone and everything into constant painAnd also my assumptions for the soon-to-come hellish factions> Path of the Beast cannot deal with the state of things, and so they revert into primal, mindless animals> Church of Metamorphosis are so obsessed with discovery and self improvement they end up shedding everything about themselves and turning into unrecognizable horror.And of course, all the faithful factions can be read as "What things people turn to in desperate times" while the hellish factions can be read as "What can happen when people completely fall for antisocial beliefs"
The Great Hunger v1.2 is up in the mega folder. It has a change log in the pdf itself.
>>96626621>filenamewell I wont lie, it worked
>>96624950Still, unlike in Islamic world, European warfare were by knights who were nobility, mercenaries and sometimes drafted peasants. While in middle-east you see enslaved children trained to be soldiers.
>>96626815Hey if it works, it works.
Took a break from Wargaming and /tg/ around when they released that lore PDF about the new Tower of Babel created by the people trying to listen to God's farts of whatever it wasAny interesting developments made since then?
>>96627162Trying to recall what lore pdf's ave dropped since then. There's the active Hellmouth in Scandinavia + some of the Finns on the Northern Front, the formerly active Hellgate in/and Hell's occupation of Ireland, Beelzebub's home if Ekron, stuff on The Iron Wall, Moloch's Golden Calf, and The Path of the Beast + Zygotic Lord. Probably some stuff that I've missed.All the lore pdf's are in the Mega in the OP if you want to peruse.
>>96626360>>Sultanate constantly uses mind-altering drugs and creates artificical already-damned life.based>>New Antioch just churns out soldiers into the mud to keep back the horde for countless dead due to politics stifling decisive action.based>>Pilgrims take their faith to the point they reject all semblance of order and end up creating suicide bombers.based>The Court is pure demoic heirarchy where might makes right, turning all its members into absurdly cruel monstersbased>>Heretics live in perpetual propoganda and terrible lives which causes them to have a huge population of psychopaths and lunaticscringe>>Black Grail hates everything so much it just destroys and perverts everyone and everything into constant paincringeSo we have 4/6 factions being based. Trench Crusade is a decidedly right-wing chudpilled game in both spirit and function.
>>96627520Damnation, Bureaucracy, Suicide are based?I mean might makes right follows the trend but not sure I get the other three.
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>>96622029>>96622441>TC is in a superposition of offending and/or not offending until it is viewed by an outside religious part, no matter the denomination or alignment. There, now can it. To get this back on track: I've had two games of my Heretic Legion vs Trench Pilgrims and hell's bells the stigmatic nuns are scary. Fucking heretic-seeking faith-guided blender missiles. I'm running this 700 ducat Heretic Legion Naval Raiding Party list and getting absolutely bodychecked. Anything wrong/unoptimized with the list or am i just channeling the tactical acumen of Luigi Cadorna?## EliteDeath Commando [130 Ducats]: Tartarus Claws, Gas Grenades, Standard ArmorHeretic Priest [143 Ducats]: Puppet Master, Sub-Machine Gun, Sacrificial Blade, Standard Armor## Troop Anointed Heavy Infantry [161 Ducats]: Unseen Infiltrator, Heavy Flamethrower, Trench Knife, Infernal Brand Mark, Reinforced ArmourArtillery Witch [90 Ducats]Legionnaire [92 Ducats]: Unseen Infiltrator, Standard Armor, Legionnaire (Ranged), Sub-Machine Gun (Bayonet Lug)Heretic Trooper [42 Ducats]: Bolt Action Rifle (Bayonet Lug)Heretic Trooper [42 Ducats]: Bolt Action Rifle (Bayonet Lug)
Given that many factions are steadily working their way toward modern tech at a prodigious rate how will the inevitable drone war work in terms of fluff and gameplay?
>>96628536I think due to magic demons and faith the technologic advancement rate is going to be a bit slower but the first drones are going to be used by the demonic forces due to how they basically already have them>Black grail have flies they can use to scout and do bombing runs with>The courts have demons they can do the same with>Heretics can ask the creators of the artillery witch to make a shortstack version with more focuse on stealth bombing and speed in flying.though the technological advancement i wanna see is in nuclear power. Like how are the different factions going to react to a demonic chernobyl. Could the angels bless radiation in a way where you could have holy nukes that scour an entire zone of corruption or vice versa with demons and demonic energy?
>>96628026Probably the biggest offender is the Standard Armor on the Legionnaire. Also do you feel you're getting your money's worth out of those BAR Heretic Troopers? I think you'd get more mileage out of them with Grenades/Gas Grenades and 2x Trench Clubs or instead of Infiltrator SMG with +1D Ranged you run Infiltrator Flamethrower and a +1D Ranged Legionnaire SMG without Infiltrator (removing 1 Trooper as necessary).Putting Bayonets on everything is nice but it's not a must-have, for example an SMG has 2x shots and Assault so you might think it's a great fit but Assault only applies if you shoot the gun once and with +1D Ranged it's less necessary to remain in short-range and with the +1D Dash modifier on all units you would ideally swoop in and out of LOS every activation.
>>96625697Leviticus 25:44-46As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.Ephesians 6:5Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,Exodus 21:1-36“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ Peter 2:18Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.Timothy 6:1-2Let all who are under a yoke as bondservants regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brothers; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their good service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these things.
>>96628920You will never win because the church decided that it's open to interpretation and has to be viewed in context which means the bible itself is self referential and you can take any passage against any other passage to win an argument.
>>96627209Thanks friend!
>>96608758World map is more available in canvas printhttps://jaredblando.com/prints/p/trenchcrusadeworldmap
>>96627209>Hell's occupation of Irelandnani? >T.Irishman
>>96628920>mfw christians try to pretend their religion that goes back to the roman ages wasn't pro-slaveryIgnoring that entire civilizations were built on the back of slavery, including Christian ones, is so fucking retarded.
>>96629928The ocean wizard admiral heretic summoned an army of werewolves in Ireland and when the Irish army went to fight them he then opened a secret Hellgate and the both of them ate nearly all the Irish army (and eventually half the population). The Irish queen (the king got blown up a lot) made the IRA legal (the Fianna) who went and started blasting, and then she wrote the Pope a letter and he sent a Paladin to close the gate and then they pushed the heretics out. Mostly. It's the pdf called 1807 Invasion of Eire in the OP mega if you want to read more.
Campaign patrons badly need something more, a unique rule that’s always active or something even if it’s minor. Currently it’s completely irrelevant we’ve had 2 people in our entire campaign of 20 roll a patron skill
>>96619044OK so that's not true at all, so TC isn't "woke".Easy.
After Red brigade westfalia seen dedicated to writing the most busted rules they can, how is this only 80 ducats
>>96630717People have basically written that faction off as fanfiction anon. They also get communicants and dogs, basically making them a faction that has the most unique units of all the factions and they are all better than the factions they would be from.
>>96630765If you’re on about Red Brigade aren’t they universally decided to be fucking awful due to the retreat restrictions and giving your opponent free blood on you
