Pro Tour Edge of Eternities Edition >Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96606362>TQAre you watching the Pro Tour this weekend?
When will MtG get its own Budew?Statue of Aragorn {0}Legendary Artifact{T}: Until your next turn, target opponent can't play lands.
>mfw I succesfully sold another proxy as originalIm never gonna stop!
>>96615995https://magic.gg/news/pro-tour-edge-of-eternities-modern-metagame-breakdown>1 ruby storm playerI'm rooting for him
>amulet titan and tron are the only archetypes there more than 5 years old>living end isn't even there>scapeshift valakhut is forgotten>splinter twin unbanned and like everyone said it's not even backWhat a fucking gay format.
>>96616034no way bro, pokemon is a serious and balanced competitive game, unlike stinky Magic
>>96615995Can't wait until entire meta is landless decksThanks Modern Horizon
>>96616057amulet and tron are over a decade old, modern is nearly 14 years old by now
>>96616057>wahh why do things change??actual autism
>>96616204fpbp
>>96616034>We intended this to be an equalizer for Commander and didn't anticipate its impact on 1v1 formats
>>96615995Well at least this is not as embarassing as Standard predictions for the top 8? Besides Boros Energy and Eldrazi i mean...
>>96615995say something nice about "mutavault token"i know you can.
It feels like YGO is completely mogging Magic solely because Konami is doing the opposite of whatever WotC does.>Removal in Standard is a tall ask>Konami prints another board-breaker and depowers threats in a new format>A point system would be too complicated>Konami releases a point system>Updating the banlist would cause people to lose confidence in their investments>Konami updates the banlist 2 days after posting their first draft in response to feedback>There's a lot that goes into the design process that's too complicated to explain>Konami releases a blog post explaining their design processHow the fuck is WotC getting mogged by Konami of all companies? This is fucking embarrassing.
>>96616324>>Removal in Standard is a tall ask>>Konami prints another board-breaker and depowers threats in a new formatWhat do you mean, we used to get like 2 or 3 wraths in an entire rotation, now it's a wrath every set.
>>96616324if they fix ygo before mtg I'm gonna lose it
>>96616362Thanks Mark I'll be sure to cast this on turn 5 which will definitely arrive after the newest red prowess card that clones itself and burns me when it dies.
>>96616362>What do you mean, we used to get like 2 or 3 wraths in an entire rotation, now it's a wrath every set.So glad we have 5 mana solutions to turn 2 problems. Thank you, Mark-sama!
>>96616369>>96616377>games in yugioh end on turn 2>somehow this means we should print 2 mana wraths and escalate the removal arms race instead of just lowering the power of threats
>>96616362Mark you absolute faggot what's the point of 5 mana wrath when A) Creatures even dying get a payoff, B) By turn 3/4 you are fucking done. You made Red and Blue so fucking disgusting is absolutely impossible to play anything else outside of Aggro, to even try to compete we need Instant wraths and 1 mana efficient removal, but that's a tall ask right, Lord Nosewater?
>>96616398That's literally what Konami just did with Genesys.
>>96616398Yes.Reprint Balance into Standard.
>>96616398Unironically yes. I know you mountain dopamine enthusiasts are too retard to even try other game forms than "Cast creature" "Attack" "I won" but for anyone actually enjoying this is disgusting.
>>96616402>panic create a new formatNo, they're kicking the can down the road. Without rotation, they're always going to powercreep. Sweeping the issue aside is only going to solve things for a few years, at which point they'll have some shiny new mechanic/archetype/cards that's pushed to sell packs, and we're right back to where we started. The point system is retarded, it's just going to be a way for them to purposefully manipulate the market even more. You're deluding yourself if you think they're not going to lower the points of cards they want to sell.
>>96615995>Goryo's Vengeance>MH3 Belcher>MH3 Energy>MH3 Eldrazi>Affinity but somehow even more obnoxious>Blink (aka boring creature deck that just doubles their etbs)>Amulet Titan>Neoform (Probably the only cool deck still around)>MH2 DomainNo thanks, I'm just gonna watch the Lorwyn previews and think about better days.>>96616057Technically Goryo's Vengeance is an old archetype, just with different targets.>>96616362>>96616377Got hit by three of these one game, makes me wish I started playing when Sunfall was still the premier boardwipe option.
>>96616324The whole reason nuMagic went downhill is because they started copying Yugioh.>cards with paragraphs of text>big numbers and broken abilities to appeal to timmies>meta sped up, if you can't answer even an early threat you lose>resources don't matter, you just spam free shit that combos into other shitDeath to all ygoshitters
>>96616469That only makes it worse because it means Konami is now the innovator that's on the path to fixing their game while WotC is going to be stuck in the design mistake era. It took WotC 3 years to realize that maybe Baku the Mooneater wasn't design space you should try to emulate.
Didn't YGO get like EDH or Brawl format recently?
>>96616577Canadian highlander-esque format, cards have point values, decks can't exceed point values
>>96616438>Without rotation, they are always going to powercreepI'm sure rotation stops that anon. Heartfire Hero is basically the same power as Jackal Pup and Standard is singing kumbaya over how its powerlevel has remained about the same for 10 years.
>>96616617Rotation gives the ability to not powercreep. It's obviously still possible. Without rotation, it's a guarantee.
>>96616638Tell us why that is anon. Does rotation suddenly remove profit incentive for new cards to be better than old cards still in rotation?
Problems with current Magic:Saturation of product (6 sets a year? Come on Kikes not even the greedy bastards of HS do this).FIRE design (overefficient creatures, more creatures printed a year, overproduction of legends, crappy removal, only aggro playable)Absolutely refuse to fix formats (Standard in shambles until November for... Reasons (money), Legacy, Pioneer or Modern without bans because... Standard is the priority people!).Destroying game identity with 3 UB sets a year, printing embarassing stuff like Instant Ramen, Hot Dog Cart or Cabbage Merchant is dire. I think the situation has never been worse.
>>96616658It reduces it significantly, yes. Without rotation, every new card is competing with every single older card in existence. With rotation, you have a smaller pool to compete against and therefore don't need to be as powerful to be potentially impactful.
>>96616699and yet we're in a situation where every format is dominated by cards printed in the last 2 years WITH rotation.
>>96616204>>96616234>dude you know that non-rotating format that means you don't have to give JotC a shitload of money every year just to play? Actually yeah that should rotate so JotC and (((Hasbro))) can make way more money.Yeah no fuckoff bro. Nothing wrong with adding new archetypes but the power creep isn't even close to creep anymore it's more like a flood. This is known by everyone and you sound like a shill if you deny it.
FIRE is basically "what if we took all those bad amateur designs from the internet and made them reality"(UB makes it so even the flavor matches)professional card design used to be about making simple, elegant cards, not "woah this would be a cool strong YUNA card!!" designs with a kitchen sink of passive and active abilities to make the card ... REALLY stand out ....Doubling Season is a prime example of how wonky abilities used to get safely overpriced in terms of mana, because when a card like that goes bad, it goes out of control badthese days they would print Doubling Season at 1G no questions asked
>>96616706Well for formats other than Standard, they don't have rotation. No shit it doesn't help with those. Most of the issues stem from sets like MH3, which was not designed with rotation in mind. For Standard, the last 2 years is most of rotation, it's not like WOE or LCI are weak just because they're 3 years old.
isnt modern currently varied, enjoyable and fun? that metagame doesnt look like a disaster
>>96616751Pioneer doesn't rotate or have MH3 and it's currently controlled by a card package from BLB.
>>96616038Careful Chad, or your feet will never never from all the footsie action your gonna get at FNM
>>96616760Yes, there are exceptions.
>>96616771The "exception" is every other set. Rotation didn't stop NPH from being printed either. The powercreep was always there, but WotC told you they didn't powercreep FoW and Brainstorm so therefore it wasn't happening at all.
>>96616767never never you say?
>>96616767who is this person and why do they look like that
>>96616760Pioneer is truly horrible right now. And is not only the Mice package (that is a big problem) is bonecrusher, is fable, is rage, is nemesis, IS CUTTER. Seriously the fact they dare to say in the last B&R that the meta was fine is truly infuriating...
>>96616758>isnt modern currently varied, enjoyable and fun?if you can conjure decks out of thin air (aka you're a proxyGOD) surei'm not investing anything into a format that will look completely different by the time MH4 or its equivalent comes out in a year or two
>>96616801Sophia is a crazy cat lady who found their way into magic before they ever discovered cats. They pop up from time to time at LGS around the country. Imagine the smell.
>>96616813>Pioneer is truly horrible right nowWhen that wasn't the case? LMAO
>>96616840i enjoyed inverter times.
>>96616767>>96616801>>96616835Don't say mean things about Sophia, you wouldn't want to make her mad
>>96616813get good
>>96616941>t. mice enjoyerok, champ!
What happened with Lifegain strategies? I remember those were very fair and fun
How was Spider-Man draft?
>>96617109look up guide of souls and ocelot pride
>>96617114Prerelease was fun, I'm planning on going to my LGS this friday to try the pick-two draft. Red/Black seems strong for limited in this set.
>>96616669I don't play it, but modern seems fine
So, I've confirmed that one of you frequent my store now, but I'm trying to figure out who exactly.I've got my money on you being the guy with the fucking awful possum-like hair, am I wrong or not? Reveal yourself.The Porto store by the by
>>96617180come and fight me, sherlok(are you the WG guy?)
>>96617180>The porto store by the byWhat did Anon mean by this?
>>96613441Missed opportunity of having an art of Heliod playing "catch!">>96613770Theros Beyound Death could have been soo much better. :(>>96614259I remember a time where people where looking for this nigga because of some bullshit modern meta. Good times.>>96615469Then tomorrow we will have a full schizo mode Thread? I can't wait :)>>96615716MTG is cooked.
>>96617180Are you from Portugal, Anon? Your cryptic challenge is.. well.. a bit too cryptic perhaps.
>>96617206No I've never played WG but tbf I've had a hard time going to the store the past couple months >>96617215if you know you know>>96617326I'm sure the one(s?) this is meant for, got it. Now, what formats do you play?
>>96617180You've figured me out, it's me: Sophia. Come out and draft tomorrow and we'll play footsie some more. Go easy on me please haha, i'm just your friendly neighborhood mtggirl.
>>96617180Have you tried shouting nigger to see if the other anon recognizes you as part of the sekrit club?
>>96617383>>96616767Can I have a quick rundown?
>>96617398No.
>>96617383>>96617401>>96617398>>96616767Can you please stop with this meme? We actually have a girl called Sophia at the store and she is extremely ugly (like a 2.5/10) but she is nice personality wise and not a tranny so this feels like real slander
>>96617407does she keep touching the other players feet? If so why don't you kick her out?
>>96617407Lmao if she is ugly the meme is right anon is time to DWI and have some humor (even if i don’t enjoy this meme neither)
>>96617469>is time to drive while intoxicatedwhat did he mean by this
opinions on this motherfucker?
>>96617398An Anon in this genreal a few threads back shared a story about an EOE draft where a girl kept trying to play footsie with him during a game. He said she had a long nose, a bad haircut, was named sophia, and just generally made him uncomfortable. Someone posted this photo of an its always sunny in philly character, some anons decided it was the new thread mascott, and some weirdos just aren't letting a bad joke die because apartenly there was a girl at an mtg draft somewhere once and they're obsessed.
>get survey>reach the part where they're gonna show me new stuff>misclick>"Survey over"FUUUUCK FUCK GOD DAMNIT
>>96617489Weird man. It just seems like the effects colors and everything are swapped between the 2 sides
>>96617538I mean, with regards to what? The blue side's art is clearly more blue, and the effects are very blue, and the name is blue.The white side's art is definitely weird, though, but effect and name-wise it checks out, though this is an alt-art anyway so maybe the normal art is more understandable.
>>96617558Nice Lorwyn Sygg is blue and rewards attacking while unhinged Shadowmoor Sygg is white and has an effect that protects creatures. Feels off.
>>96617568That's fair, but maybe there's meant to be more going on to this. Like it's meant to be off. There was that whole thing going around that was... Semi-rumoured, I dunno if it was a leak or not, that the Strixhaven set would feature an alternate reality thing going on, maybe what we're seeing in Lorwyn is some early glimpses at that, which is why Sygg is blue/white but still acts like his Shadowmoor self sometimes.Or maybe it's because they wanted to include Shadowmoor stuff but without making it a three-colour set, I dunno.
Spiderman is an absolute shit in constructed i don’t know who thought this set was worth a whole slot… and what’s worse we have shitty ATLA after…
>>96616658Rotation allows for the average power level to 'reset' over time, like how the Urza block was insanely powerful but was successfully kept from the wider game through the introduction of the Type 1/2 game formats.Like the other anon said it isn't a guarantee of power stability, but it does allow older cards to be separated from the meta for good and for ill. And bringing back desirable cards is as easy as reprinting them in a new set.
>>96617489>>96617558>>96617538Well it is a combination of the effects from the first two syggs.In Lorwyn Sygg was UW and had the ability to give protection to merfolks (in the story he makes a bubble of water/air that protect people, and he puts them inside it to transport them through the river)(PIC is a exemple of that)In Shadowmoor he is {U/B} and was a pirate, not much is known about his abilities in the Story but his card drew a card at the end of turn.Like anon said, it would make more sense if the White part gave protection (a white ability, also the lorwyn counterpart was white), while the blue part just drew cards (a blue ability, matching the shadowmoor color and ability).Having the shadowmoor part being white is kinda retarded to be honest.
>>96617489They screwed up and switched the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor flavor. Here's what it should be:Sygg, Wanderwine Guide (white)Sygg, Wanderbrine Pillager (blue)
>>96617489i do better ai art
Does anyone here play Legacy Merfolk? How is it?
>>96617489When I first saw it I didn't realize that the back half was meant to be the Shadowmoor half, because it made no sense for Sygg to be White in that case. It feels like it's only set up that way for the mechanics, where they felt like early card draw would be more helpful than early protection. But it's still very weird.
I have yet to see a single spiderman set card seing competitive play
>>96617856I have seen unironically pic related
>>96617856the set is awful is full of shit cards and is a coomander bait what you expected?
>>96617783I think it's ok if you build it for a specific metagame, take a look at this listhttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7360830#paperit runs 4x mistcaller, 4x merfolk trickster, 4x harbinger of the seas and 4x sink into stupor with no mutavaults, it's basically made to counter dimir reanimator and other decks trying to go over the top
>>96616057>>splinter twin unbanned and like everyone said it's not even backI'm convinced Birthing Pod wouldn't do jack shit in the current format too. It's too slow.
>>96617893there are plenty of cards that could get unbanned of current modern and would do absolutely jack shit in the format, starting with jitte…
>>96617856pic related in pioneer prowess decks
>>96617893yes, every birthing ritual player agrees that ritual is actually much stronger than actual pod
>Bridge from below still banned in Modern??????
>Birthing Pod still banned in Modern??????
>>96615995>tqno
>Deathrite Shaman still banned in Modern???????
>>96618066If you think that's bad, both DRS and Ragavan are banned in legacy
>The One Ring still banned in Modern???????
>There is no one Black Lotus deck>All macro archetypes have a chance to succeed
>>96618162Degenerate hands wrote this.
>Sensei's Divining Top still banned in Modern???????
>Blazing Shoal still banned in Modern???????
>Who are we quoting???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZBT0bWGoksnew aids just dropped
>>96617407simp hands typed this.Why are you letting Sophia continue to sexually harass gamers who come to your store?What will WOTC do when they find out your covering up FNMSexual abuse?
>>96617398>Sophia after getting to play footsie
>Maro was actually based 20 years ago>the lefties are now trying to cancel him for it lmao
Is MtgTop8 down for anybody else?
>>96618536No, it's fine on my end
>>96617862I think this card may prove to actually be really good. Possibly Gwenom and Spider sense as well.
>>96618533Literally nobody will care in a week from now.
>>96618536it's down for me too
>Magic AIDS tries to make Origin of Spooderman work in Standard>3-2>gets run over by monored and busted Duskmourne cardsThis game is beyond hope
>>96618517I want to be able to look at new MTG sets the way that the milk man Looks at SofiaFeels Really Bad Man
>Peter Parker's Camera becomes a Legacy stapleWhere are your gods now?
>>96618604On Arena, when they finally add legacy a decade from now.
>>96618604I'm not too surprised, copying an activated/triggered ability for 3 mana is pretty good. I'm just wondering how long it will be until pic related starts seeing play in prowess decks.
>>96616306it's spelled correctly, as far as mutavault is a made up word?
>>96618655It's not just the copying effect, it is also tutorable with Urza's Saga.
>Oy vey, Flash will save White!>Now watch me as I print worthless shit for mono white as I steal its mechanics and give them to blue and black!>No I won’t actually design powerful white cards! I need my personal obsession of Final Kikery to ruin Standard with Red and Blue!
White is a colour enjoyed by retards and homosexuals.
Post your plane ideas bros>cave world>colors manifest as echoes >black are whisper, white are chants, red screams, green primal grunts and blue I don't really know know (resonant hums, harmonies or some shit)>mix between low fantasy and surreal stuff, with some mundane locations like little towns and monasteries (think of Homelands style landscapes) on one side, and stuff like a vast underground sea where mermaids sing and a dense forest growing where "sunlight" shines from a crack in the "ceiling'
>>96618719I like that sound thing. Kinda reminds me of that one Green Lantern comic about that silver frog alien from a solar system where the sun has heat but no visible light so they have to come up with a sound equivalent of the concept of green.
>>96618719I'm not posting ideas online for WotC to steal
>>96618533What is this about? What comments did Maro say 20 years ago?
>>96618719By posting this idea ITT, you have forfeited your intellectual rights to this property.
>>96618769That card was based on a real MTG pro player with the art being based on her, and it's essentially just calling her a whore. Rosewater apologized and said that was a shitty thing to do. I don't know what provoked people to talk about the card in the first place, I guess someone made a video about it or something.
>>96618533Do we know which pros tapped her?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0yAIM1OQtUFor some reason I remembered this today
>>96618588don't worry, the 2027 rotation will fix this
>>96618533This screams "I'm only sorry because I got caught". It's unfortunate that he won't suffer more for it because any opportunity to see the people ruining Magic cannibalize themselves is welcome.
>>96618946now list the sets that will replace them
>>96617856once this nigga gets cheap on MTGO I'm getting 4x sideboard copies for my stormscale belcher list in modern, he stops consign from memory and doesn't get hit by it, it's the perfect answer
>>96617664You mean like Modern?
>>96615995>Pro Tour BlinkslopEphemerate is on the chopping block after this for sure
They actually made this into an actual card
>>96619076dies to obm
For the Auckland Premodern guy, hope you see this: I can't make it tonight sorry. They're starting at around 6 but you can show up whenever and if you ask at the counter the staff will point you to where the premodern table is; they're friendly and so on so don't be afraid. Apologies, I'll try to be there next time.
My beloved wife.
>>96615995>Be slut>Get called out>Cry about it 20+ year later>FORCE Maro to apologize
May I have some Avatar spoilers please?
>>96619211Honestly she's the gigachad here.
>>96619211>force maro to apologise This literally never happened.
The leaks were fucking real.
>>96619468At least they didn't kawaii uguu~ out the faeries I guess
>>96619211idk for me this sounds like another thing that never happened......
>The Story of Ghazban Ogress - with Cathy NicoloffDamn Rosewater really bullied some random chick in the 90's.
Ever since Ikoria happened I've looked at Hearthstone for what the future of Magic will look like.Threats are so efficient that 1 mana "kill anything" unironically isn't enough because too much shit swarms the board. Removal comes attached to value engines so it's a future where Swords is powercrept by a clone of Orcish Bowmasters.
>>96619757The most enduring trend in hearthstone is "rest of the game" effects. If you build your deck like this, you get an effect that lasts for the rest of the game. If you complete an objective, you get something for the rest of the game. ETB that gives rest of the game effect. They tested the water with Kaito, alchemy mechanics and Exhaust. Maybe next we'll have Emblem Companions.
>>96619770eminence companions soon...
>>96615995>OtherPredictions, /mtg/?>TQAm I going to watch a Modern pro tour? Does a bear shit in the woods?
>>96619757I really want they allow us to put trap cards into oppo decks like hearthstone. i fell that’s an original and cool mechanic that wouldn’t be hard to implement and yes im a dk fan.
>>96619477why would they magic becomes uglier with every passing set
>>96619477>OMG MY GOD SISTERS>I AM SO. GLAD. THAT THE ART IS UGLY AS FUCK, I FEEL SO R E P R E S E N T E Dget outta here dei trash, better art and non-esl wording on cards are the only way mtg can attract players (NOT SCALPERS or idiots who buy but never play, and don't get me started with commander "players", they aren't even human)
>>96619497>idk for me this sounds like another thing that never happened......I'd put a bet on that.And even if it did, I'm sure it was well within the person's power to say no to the design. Cowards cry about their cowardice 20 years after the fact, and nobody should care. She's upset that she was a coward, not about the office inside joke she was too cowardly to silence.If it did happen, I mean. Which it didn't.
>>96619066right here
>>96619477Worse, they made them ugly.
>>96618517This is the most disgusting thing I've seen since SPM was revealed.
>>96620044This weekend we maybe will be able to complete the chart.Make your bets.
>>96618588Monored having 30+ points of free, no-commitment-required overkill damage in fucking Standard is so fucking retarded it's hard to even describe.The balance of MTG is a thin line, and it's on the pivot of how much overkill damage mono-red has before running out of gas. nuMagic's red can easily kill two full players before running out of gas, which is just not acceptable and is a showcase of how shit the new designers are at balancing the game.
>>96620045what are you talking about sister?? don't you want your cards to be ugly and inclusive and literally hard to look at and only be played on tours cause outside that everyone else is using alt art proxies??>>96620050completed long ago
>>96620055Secrets of Srixhaven will be bumped to 2027 to slot in the John Cena Experience set.
>>96620058all i care about is playing my dustborn cards like trigger and gaslight and fuck the police
Is today the day they will announce the shitshow schedule for 2026?
>>96620072Who fucking cares.
>>96620053I want to see Red go the way of Simic. Seriously fuck mountains, since Eldraine 1 i was slowly getting tired. Now is just completely unbereable to the point where i want to see red in the spot green is now.
>>96619149No I think we need stronger ETB abilities honestly.
>>966200722026 better be something nicer than 2025 schedule because i dont think this game can resist another year line this one…
>>96620079Pretty much. It's honestly every color at this point.
>>96620075I want to laugh at what is about to come
>>96620087Fair enough.Being a laughing stock is about all the game's good for anymore.
>>96620087you can laugh at right now a spider-man/omen numbersavatar is gonna be even worse and whoever thinks non-ub sets will generate hype after this fiasco is so high up their farts they could sell their asses as fent reactorsin 3 years we'll be playing omni man vs homelander like in mk1 and no one will care or attend tours
>>96620098I am, but I also trust wotc to make things even worse
>>96620101>but I also trust wotc to make things even worseYou can trust this more than you can trust the sun to rise.
>>96620101absolutely, don't forget ai art is now a thing
>>96619477They made it uglier than the faeries of og lorwyn. They made it full insect instead of human with insect legs.>>96620055Honestly I can totally see mtg doing those as secret lairs.
>>96617469>>96617476Was this an Aetherdrift reference?
>>96620120join in the fun and make your own predictions
>>96620050Hobbits on August and Star Trek in November.
What do you think about the furby secret lair?
How common is hate of Landfall decks?
If UBs continue to be profitable eventually they will make up the majority of yearly releases and become the mainline.Then we can enjoy the occasional Universe Beyond: <Magic the gathering plane>... and that's how you win the fans over!
>>96620175>If UBs continue to be profitable eventually they will make up the majority of yearly releases and become the mainline.Anon, that already has happened.
>>96620139>tinder instead of grinder
>>96619184look up what riot is, newfriend
>>96619988How does that work with different colored sleeves?
>>96620139big lebowsky mtg cards would be unironically best sellerI never opened a pack before, but a foil big leb would make me buy boxes, not packs, boxes of their trash.
The TO at our LGS wants us to draft spider man next week despite demand to draft literally anything else. Fucking jew is too comfortable with his quasi monopoly.
>>96620296That's pretty normal in the first two weeks after a new set unfortunately.
>>96620221It was a joke, anon.
>>96620388>I was merely pretending every goddamn time
>>96617538Double face cards were a disaster for this game. It's just a way for designers to get away with a wall of text because it's split in two halves.
>>96620425Wait until you meet folded double faced modal cards!
>>96615995How many years do we have before this game gets reduced to nothing but T2 wins in standard and commander players playing through their favorite funkpop collection.
>>96617489>See? White can be bad tooSomeone explain to me how a rogue throat cutter that ambushes victims in deep water is white-mana coded. What the hell is going on?
>>96620471>how many years untilright now
This is what they took from you.
Evening frens. got rinsed at fnm. played my muldrotha deck for some EDH. didnt draw a single swamp.
>>96620493the art is kinda redundant, could use more text over there
>>96620471If it was up to the execs, I'm sure they would change the rules to be just a bit more difficult than Top Trumps. There will come a time when they will release a different version of MtG for a younger or more casual audience. Commander and UB are just the first steps in the process.
>>96620493Unironically the flip gimmick was better than DBF because 1. it was only used in Kamigawa and 2. it forced the card rules to be short and to the point.
>>96620506kekthe thing is, (at least) the Commander audience CRAVES complicated cards and complex board states that shower them in tokens like some kind of Balatroreverting the whole thing to cards that simply state "make 30 tokens" would be a reversion to MtG’s ROOTS where cards were simply and did a single thing (little difference between making 1 token and making 30 tokens)and that’s so funnybecause you are rightin the end, playing a single card and getting a simple effect, IS enough to get the dopamine, and designers knew this back when they proposed "new world order" design which never was implementedbut I think the complex cards lock people into endless brain-wrangling deck-building which leads to a more complicated kind of dopamine release when finally the deck they spent 2 weeks planning manages to "go off" once via an elaborate combination of effects
>>96620531I mean, making some kind of meta card game, where you play cards like "1B: Do a Wicked Combo: Create 30 1/1 skeleton tokens"is ironically the opposite of the card game it models:cards have simple effects (just big numbers - you can get that from YGO as well)but they give you the "idea" of doing something bigjust like MtG was originally about giving you the "idea" of casting powerful spellsand that was enough to be satisfying, even if the effect was 2 lines long and not 8
I'm old enough to remember when Maro introduced the heroes (aka flip cards) to players. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/flipping-out-2004-09-20
>Ghazban Ogress's price has spiked from $0.27 to $5.25 because of the dramakek
>>96620556i'm old enough to have discarded my entire hand with putrid imp to swing for lethalget the fuck outta here kid
>>96616057fuck modern.is dredge still the boogeyman of legacy and the reason you never leave the house without GY removal in the sideboard?
QuestionA "copy triggered ability" card is played on hylda's ability, someone was saying it's actually 2 seperate trigger abilities and that this supposed 2nd one is "free" and they don't need to pay (1) for it.I don't understand how it's 2 seperate abilities, is it not all 1 long ability? Could someone please explain what they ment if it's true or correct this?I just let it go the other day because it didn't matter but I'm curious about the mechanics/text now.
Why we don't have original designs anymore? When was the last times this faggots at WotC made something truly original? Venture the Dungeon? Battles?
>>96620896Creature sagas were a neat design space
>>96620896i feel the last time i was actually excited for a mechanic was curses, and we never saw those anymore after innistrad. this is another reason blocks dissapearing was a mistake.
>>96618866>I guess someone made a video about it or something.There was, chock full of the typical pearl-clutching and virtue-signaling you'd expect.
>>96620896Going over the last year and a half, and assuming you mean card types that have some kind of new mechanic tied to them.Edge had stationsDuskmourn had roomsKarlov manor had casesinb4 but those are all just enchantments/artifactsI think it's important that you keep some sort of cohesion with the core of the game for mechanical purposes like removal being able to interact with them or being able to design synergy with them.
>>96620050Updated with recent speculations.
>>96621060>2026 worse than 2025WEW
Remember when they refused to ban Monstrous Rage for literally a year and then printed a bunch of red cards with Prowess so you basically couldn't block any red creatures or use damage-based removal? You could only remove their creatures in reaction to Rage and if they didn't use it they would Plot their bird and then you can never tap out again.Then they printed 1 mana red creatures that deal damage equal to their power so you literally cannot not take damage and then they get Thud alongside that, and a hasty 2/2 with Prowess that also effectively draws a card whenever it is targeted and another creature that gives all their shit Double Strike.Then an unblockable hasty 3/3 that hard counters lifegain, the direct counter to monored, with a genuinely Hearthstone-ass effect where if it takes any damage it fucks you for the rest of the game and you can't interact with that, and multiple Titan Strength sidegrades that leave bodies if the creature is removed, AND a Leyline that doubles every pump spell.ALL OF THIS WAS IN STANDARD AT THE SAME TIME AND IT TOOK MONTHS BEFORE THEY AT LEAST BANNED THE LEYLINE EVEN AS YOU COULD SEE MONORED OBLITERATING PEOPLE ON TURN 2.
>60-card precons confirmed
>>96621070Mountains and the curret WotC design practices are a mistake. Fuck WotC and Red must be killed.
>>96621060>Still one left.Please be Ikoria.
So has the anon ever finished the Parker Luck brew?
>>96621087Who is actually going to buy these?
>>96621060>more UB than actual setsWe all knew this day was coming, but it just still feels so surreal...
>>96619757FUCKif they have enough mana and you find Panglacial Wurm in their library YOU CAN MAKE THEM CAST IT
>>96621087Seems like they reimagined Lorwyn's aesthetic to be "generic ass fantasy MMORPG meets the Shire"Also why don't the elves have hooves
>>96621206Where don't they have hooves?
>>96621250Pretty sure that's an elf in the middle of the box art (upper left) and he's wearing boots which imply regular feet.
>>96621087>art style on the booster packs
>>96621087The isset precon is going to be bonkers isnt it?
>>96621087>60 card themedIs not going to be standard legal...
>>96621371Were it not one of the creatures from Aetherdrift, maybe. Unless, of course, the deck is going to be focused primarily on discarding.
You wouldn't ban me right anon?
Was Aetherdrift a flop?
>>96621087I look foward to the angel deck. I hope they fix some of the problems with the tribe.
>you may use equipment effects at instant speedDoes this card, or it's equivalent exist?
>>96621106There's no non-Standard set, that's completely made up.
>>96621481Angels is one of the most bullshit tribes right now.
>>96621125Anon, 3 is equal to 3.
>>96621535Prove it?
>>96621461Yes. The most notable card in the set is an uncommon blue draw spell
>>96621060I wouldn't be surprised if they made a TMNT set that was yet another "mini-set" hastily turned into a main set just like SPM and it flopped just as badly because that format is a proven failure.
>>96621548I feel like we're probably done with those being a thing after Spider-Man (timeframe-wise any sets after Lorwyn probably had enough time to pivot more fully design-wise).
>>96621516
>>96621445what im looking at and why it looks like we are actually stealing the pedo trope from YuGi?
>>96621461Not only is the set a constructed dud but the draft was bad and the speshul arts are the most fuck ugly things they've ever done. It's supposedly about speed but the speed mechanic is only used by control decks. Feels like they made every vehicle ass because they hate Greasefang for reasons no one can understand because that's probably the least offensive meta combo deck in Magic history
Fuck man i want to fucking stop UB... TMNT sounds completely hideous.
>The Lorwyn card leaks were unsurprisingly real
>>96621563The wording of "play equip abilities" feels really weird. Older cards had some fucky wording.
>>96621585But none of them nearly as awkward as "venture into the dungeon" or "gift a tapped fish"
>>96621563Thanks!
>>96621592Not really? Coherent English isn't weirder to read than something that just sounds wrong to the mind.
>>96621529Not in legacy
I need an equipment that makes a creature immune to sac.
>>96621611This is basically the only one.
>>96621611Just play this guy or WAR tamiyo
>>96621631ah nvm, forgot yasharn was only for casting shit and activating abilitiestamiyo it is, then
>>96621631This prevent players from saccing as a cost, it doesn't make creatures immune to sac from edits.
>>96621562Yeah but I wouldn't be surprised if there was already one more in the pipeline, and TMNT seems just the right "size" to be large enough for a mini set but not large enough for a full set without them stretching shit out like with Spider-Man.
Some Lorwyn art shown off too.
>>96621737Gee I wonder if duality is a motif of this set or something.
>More Izzet shit that will ruin the formats post Vivi banI'm so excited, sisters!!
>>96621737>Artist literally called Sam GayCouldn't be less subtle if they tried
>>96621757He's been a Magic artist for a while. Unrelated to Rebecca Guay, apparently, but has learned from her.
>>96621445rawr :3
>>96621445Anime will save Magic
>>96619174thought that was a milkers-edit from the thumbnail at first
>>96621087Why are all products pastel themed now?
>>96621895This game is for gaychads now. Heterosexual brown people play One Piece TCG.
>>96621892Sadly there has been nothing for me to edit for months now. EOE had some space angels at least but I'm not bothering with any UB garbage.
Drew Tucker is the real goat artist
>hurr durr drew tucker is the real ungulate artist
>somewhat interesting Spiderman card>it's Spiderman>dogshit art>non-Spiderman one is digital only>actually appealing art is $100 foil-only promo
>>96622033I can't believe how better is Fizik compared to Iron Spider trash.
>>96622033Isn't that just one that comes with a toy
I crossed paths IRL with an old friend I used to play Magic with years ago. I mentioned that I don't play anymore, and I said the Universes Beyond cross-overs weren't my bag. My friend, who had previously quit Magic told me he is getting back into Magic all because of Universe Beyond specifically Final Fantasy. I find it amusing how Universes Beyond is so 'either love it or hate it'.
Do you guys play pre-releases on your LGS? I feel like throwing money down the drain.
>>96622273I'm completely ambivalent to it. I never gave a shit about the magic universe. I'm old enough to remember a time when it was embarrassing to take the story of games seriously. It was a big joke. Magic cards are great toys and nothing about UB has changed that, and if you let the picture on the card influence how you feel about the game, you're a loser.
>>96618162>The One Ring still banned in Modern
I have a feeling the main star of the LotR set was meant to be Orcish Bowmasters and they realized it fucks with card draws so much they had to give the ring protection to compensate
>>96622360Uhm. You realize the Ring giving protection is 100% on-flavor? It’s more the card draw that doesn’t really fit the novel.
>>96622391It draws the ring wraiths to you.Since when did it give protection? Gollum died in the volcano. If it was ward or shroud it'd make more sense
>>96622360Why would some random grunts be the stars of the set? It was definetly just a mistake
>>96622408And yet it remains a pattern
Lmao imagine making some faggot Orcs the stars of the set, black Aragorn and made the Ring so fucking powerful we are just not allowed to use it anymore.Nice design JOTC. Seriously i would fire all the fucking team.
>>96622408because that's how things should be, not whatever legendary they want to push
>>96622403Yes, shroud/hexproof would make more sense but not be as "strong"In the end, there are two sides to the Ring:- Hobbits just become invisible and are taxed- The Dark Lord draws huge power from it and is not taxedOne can argue that the Ring as printed has a bit of bothStill I think it’s stupid to designRing = super strongstrongest thing in MtG = card draw=> Ring draws cards
>>96622403A player with Shroud can still get attacked, the bearer of the (Hobbit) Ring becomes invisible so he can’t really get attacked. If it was on a creature, Shroud would be correct, but since it’s meant to ward the player, Protection makes more sense.
>>96622309Do you think that Bagel & Schmear: The Gathering would have been a success in 1993 Gencon? Some people don't want to play Famous IP: The Gathering
When will the lorwyn stream start?>>96621737Gay elf sex...>>96621738Icekin...
>>96621738>duality is a motif>binary thinkingNot a good look for wotc
>>96622444the ring doesn't really have set powers, it amplifies the attributes of the wieldermost appropriate design would been something like "when you cast a spell, copy it and halve your life total"
wait, I just realized... -1/-1 counters mean that we'll have the first set in a billion years that won't be 50% +1/+1 counter cards
>>96622604stoked for this one
>>96622604Phyrexia all will be one had -1-1 counters but also had +1+1 ones.You think wotc will keep their rule of only one of those in a set?
>>96622604They already broke that rule in DSK and a few other times.
>lorwyn shocklandsOh boy.
NICEEEEFINALLY I CAN PLAY SELESNYA!!
>>96622621ONE has neither +1/+1 counters nor -1/-1 counters, it was just oil and poison. What the fuck are you talking about?
It's over.
>>96622664Oh, it's not even themed as an Avengers set, just a broad 'super heroes' set. What the hell is the next Marvel set gonna be then, if X-Men stuff's already there?
>>96622664NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONOT AGAINNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>96622664I hope it flop
>>96622692>Evoke ConfirmedIS TIME
>>96622692I like that design, clever way to weaken the evoke.
>>96622692>>96622700Looks good.>>96622664Don't care. Omenpaths 2.
Hobbit set confirmed. Second set of 2026 is an as-yet unannounced UB.
>>96622285I used to do pre-releases way back when, but not anymore. The value for money just isn't there for me. I'm priced out.
>>96622725Oh she's still alive? Huh.
>>96622700>Persist coming back confirmed yay, we'll finally have a persist combo in pioneer
new to mtgwhy so much difference?
Cool Smaug art for the Hobbit set.
>TMNT nickelodeon trash>Capeshit>HobbitHow this makes you feel considering this will be 2026?
Hobbit set confirmed.
>>96622735>TRIBAL IS DECKYESSSSSSSSS
>>96622745We don't know if it's TMNT, it could be Star Trek.
Sygg's base art looks much better than the weird alt art we saw leaked.
>>96622758All we know is Nickelodeon is involved and the company does plenty collabs using Avatar, Spongebob and TMNT. Avatar and Spongebob have been already unveiled for MTG, meaning that TMNT has very high chance.
>>96622747>Black ThorinWE
>>96622700>6 mana to combo with a billion different optionscute, you can even use the front to convoke out whatever other creature(s) you need>>96622725>blue ritualI don't like it on principle. Seems like it's meant to synergize with the FF UR mechanic, probably strixhaven too.>>96622735>kindred instant - elementalWE'RE SO BACK
So the timeline seems to be:>Lorwyn>Unannounced UB (TMNT or Star Trek probably)>Strixhaven>Marvel Super Heroes>Hobbit>Finale event set, named Reality Fracture
>>96622725>Elemental Sorcerer>Elemental WizardBecause we really needed more unsupported subtypes. It's not like they hurt the game by making it harder for cards to interact with each other.>>96622745The average MtG player is over thirty years old. It's nostalgia slop for manchildren and quirk chungus with disposable income.
Strixhaven seems to have a new set of students and hey look there's that Gorgon what was leaked wonder if she's still Jace's daughter.
I request tactical mtg girl deployment in the following thread. Over.
whomstdve
>>96622692Don't like that the new incarnation elementals are not like the old ones.>>96622700If someone said there would be gods in lorwyn 2 and they weren't the avatars I would probably be mad but to be fair I liked this one.>>96622725They made Shadowmoor part gay. I hate wotc.Also no shaman when she is literally a Shaman going out to meet the elemental spirits.I hate the designers and whoever allowed this shit.>>96622735Damn they really fucked with our girlAnother Butched Return set.
Okay, never fucking mind Star Trek is also announced and they... ARE doing 7 sets for 2026? Or it's the second set and they were just fucking with people.
>>96622700I don't like the idea of gods in Lorwyn. We already had the spirit avatars and that was enough.
>>96622744I prefer the OG
>>96622808dinabros...we got replaced with some goat twink
>>96622736Cuz fuck you that’s whySerious explanation:https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/when-cards-go-bad-2002-01-28And furthermore:Nemesis is Mythic, so – beside the obvious fact that stronger mythics sell more packsit has less impact in the so-called "draft" format where people pick cards from packs and build their decks from thatif Nemesis was common, Red would be way too strong in the draft format of that setand finally as a consolation: the Pilgrim is a Human Wizard, the Nemesis is a Spirit, so the Nemesis is not strictly better. Some cards make Humans stronger - they wouldn’t affect the Nemesis
>>96622692>only gives value if you PAY for itThey finally learned
>>96622846
>>96622846Reminder to bully Star Trek fans.
>>96622846will they randomly make someone black? is t every era of trek? also is there a market for this? feels like dr who
Who the fuck cares about Star Trek in this day and age
>>96622788>>96622825>reality fractureThey're going full UB, we'll have Magic characters directly interacting with Iron Man and Optimus Prime and shit, I'm calling it now.
>>96622865I care, but not about the nu-Trek.
>>96622747WE WUZ KING N SHIET>>96622768I like the regular art better but Shadowmoor Sygg being white is retarded.
So apparently they're just doing 7 sets the next year for some reason. Wasn't it strongly said by literally everybody that 6 was already pushing it?
>7>SEVEN FUCKING PRODUCTS IN A SINGLE YEARFor me this is the red line. Fuck you greedy bastards suck my balls.
>>96622873>Jace Eating Bagle and Schmear>Enchantment Saga
>>96622879>>96622882NUMBER. GOES. UP.
Lorwyn is looking kinda good
>>96622825>MTG - Flashpoint / Crisis of the Infinite Earths edition offuckingcourse. MTG has run out of terrible ideas of its own and is now copying the greatest fuckups of other companies
Hope you guys like Lorwyn and Strixhaven, it'll be the last UW sets you'll ever have.
Star Trek sisters ... we're finally homehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2gYfON_-Ng
>>96622907Nah, I'm hyped for OM2.
God, finally good Artwork. I love Lorwyn so fucking much bros.
>>96622843soul>>96622744souless
Remember when literally everybody here doomposted to shit that the 'big change' at the end of March of the Machine would be UB becoming part of Magic's multiverse and that didn't happen. Yeah, same shit with Reality Fracture. It'll just be Planar Chaos 2.
>>96622825Just watch it be like a "serious" version of Aetherdrift; that being less of a wacky races between planes kind of thing, and more of another inter-planar threat
>>96622860nah, it's star trek, they have plenty of token blacks in each cast
Seven fucking sets? When i can barely deal with 6? What the fuck man? Are they insane?
Picard but A NIGGER
>>96622929This kind of shit is really boringI really prefer self-contained planes
>>96622879>>96622882This year almost had 9 standard sets...>>96622896Critical Thinking, anon...
>>96622915Although, it is a bit odd that the Fracture is in October, while ST will be the next month after
KINOOOOOOthe lotr boxes were a great deal at $120 for the 4
>>96620043>>96619497>>96619340>
>>96622956It's possible Star Trek or the Unannounced UB will just be Commander Precons, but they've shared no details on that.
>>96622903Is this different from Time Spiral concept?
>>96622915>>96622846>EoE was made just so MTG would gel better with future UB products grim
these are new cards right? wtf cool
>>96622986Yeah all the Scene Boxes are I think. LOTR did the same.
>>96622499>streamNow I see why they didn't stream it.
MORE UB sets than In-Universe sets, more than a 1 set each 2 monthsIs this what the future has in store for this game?
>>96622986We used to mock YGO for the amount of words in the cards
>no FF12 scene boxbrutal... disappointing...
>>96623005Yay I finally get my Flash Photography card in Magic :DDDD
>>96623005I hate FF15 so much
>>9662301112 sucks anyway. Everybody who likes it is just duped by good voice acting. Nobody in it is interesting except Vayne and the gameplay is boring as fuck.
>>96622846Who the fuck cares about star trek?The only people i know are my Dad and Aunt who are 70+ years old
>>96623005>flash photography MAKE IT STOP
>>9662302712 sucks less than the games that did get scene boxes except 8
>Eldraine, Bloomborrow and Lorwyn on the same standardGaybros... we won
This thread has reached bump limit!NEW THREAD>>96623049>>96623049>>96623049
>>96622725Look at how they massacred my girl
>>96622630don't care. give me UB
>>96622725> boobs removed entirely"progressives" deserve everything that's happening to them right now
>>96617180is it a store for nerds?
>>96620523also because it didnt require you to remove the card from its sleeve
>>96622679Wel there are only Avengers in that image so its hard to tell
>>96625181I hope all leftists and registered democrats are rounded up in concentration camps and imprisoned forever
