How the hell do you upgrade a mech with the endo steel?

>>96625865
Literally have to take the mech apart and assemble it on a new skeleton. It's like a classic car off-frame restoration.

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>>96625865
I believe mechs in BT work like the ones in IBO gundam to where they are just a frame with armor and shit attached to it

>>96625898
Do you suppose the factories collect take-off parts and reassemble them into "refurbished" shitboxes to sell to mercs or out to the Periphery?

>>96625921
They could, but they'd probably make their money's worth just selling the parts as-is. They might also shuffle them through shell companies and third party merchants to enter markets they're otherwise not allowed in, or they could use them to produce industrialmechs, like the Highlander -> St Florian pipeline.

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>>96625921

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So I've been thinking about the lists I want to use for the next non-MegaMek /btg game I do. In light of how much of a blowout the last game was, I figured some more time and thought may need put into the mech rolling charts. This is what I've come up with.
I am NOT looking for people to start rolling for the next game just yet, as the other one just ended. I am seeking feedback.
I figure it will be a 3025 Davion vs. Liao match. I used the RAT charts as a baseline, removed mechs I don't own, and went from there. Instead of limiting my lists to just the color schemes that match the faction, I'm pulling from the entire collection and I think that has given me some more versatility. Most of the numbers were tweaked base on lore appearance rates, but some have been chosen in the hopes of not rolling duplicates, such as how I only have 1 Cicada and Hatchetman, but 4 Enforcers and Vindicators. The big thing is that I choose the mechs I wanted to use and then distributed them across the weight classes this time, instead of the much more winging it and going by my gut way I did before. 30/40/20/10 is listed as the breakdown distribution for Light/Medium/Heavy/Assault for both Davion and Liao, so that's what I did here. The biggest change I'm making however is the potential for rolling better pilots. If someone rolls a mech with a +1 or +2, then they get to add that to the rolls of their gunnery and piloting stats. It doesn't guarantee an elite pilot, but they'll certainly turn out better than if they didn't have it. I made it more prominent in lower weight classes as well, to help take the sting out of getting a low roll. Yeah, you could still roll a regular old Wasp, but you could also roll a Wasp+2 and that wouldn't be quite as bad. I thought including -1s, as hilarious as that might be, might cause some bitterness with any anons unfortunate enough to roll one, so I didn't include any of them.
Again, DON'T roll for a pilot yet.

I do wish we had more direct examples of corporate malfeasance. There's the Charger where the company was caught selling them under the table, and that one Awesome that was notable because the manufacturer *couldn't* figure out how to sell it under the table, unlike everything else, but we don't really have a lot of plots or RPG adventures or stories about mechs falling off the back of a space truck.

>>96626121
Mechs are really big. If you're in charge of the transportation of a mech and you lose it, you're probably getting socially ostracized if you're Lyran, dishonorably discharged if you're Davion, shot if you're Marik, killing yourself if you're Kuritan, or getting shot alongside your entire family if you're Capellan.

>>96626160
Well that's why it takes a megacorp. If you were to examine those mechs floating around behind the space truck, you might find them sporting serial numbers that "failed inspection" and were "scrapped". Or perhaps duplicated numbers. Or maybe no numbers at all, very mysteriously. And of course they're being carried by Space Logistics Hauling Incorporated Limited, which is owned by Logistics Space Hauling Limited GmbH, which is registered in Canopus but operates out of Antallos but is here near the intersection of the Great Houses. Why do they have ten mechs labeled as Murphys that are clearly Vulcans? Where did they come from? Are you a cop? You have to tell us if you're a cop. Want to buy a Murphy, 10% off if you pay in cash!

This' now a Corporation thread.
No house troops, clanners or unemployed mercenaries allowed!
https://youtu.be/4R0JI8HmTHE?si=UXqGHnV3enXIG4Kg

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Thread question that came too late in last thread.

Treating the THANATOS and ARGUS as their original 'omnimech' forms before their retcon fuckery...

What would you use their podspace for?

Base THANATOS has
jump jets
Lpl, mpl, 2ermlas, mrm20.

Base ARGUS has
Rac5, 2ermlas, lrm10, mg.

>>96626246
I got a guard card. That basically makes me a mechwarrior.

I wish heavy battle claws had rules beyond just being battle claws that weigh more. I want to use Ogres but they're so limited by their weight class.

>>96626273
>their retcon fuckery
Where'd they get retconned? Original TRO 3067 still has them as Battlemechs.

>>96625963
>the Highlander -> St Florian pipeline.
Why make premium firefighter mechs and not just send those engines on to another assault line that uses the same rating? Even if they don't have that line themselves someone will buy gently used fusion engines.

>>96626470
Because they didn't want to bother converting them from SHS to DHS and shipping them all the way to the dracs who were the only ones using SHS in significant numbers wouldn't have been a great move considering that it was the early 3060s and they were all the way on the far side of Steiner space.

>>96626448
Which is foul, foul heresy.

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Thoughts on the Battle Cobra?

>>96626496
Looks like a Thug with Down's Syndrome.

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>>96626496
Its stylish

>>96626627
what the absolute fuck is this?

Man. Every time I see old depictions of battlemechs, it makes me chuckle at how bad many of them look.

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Say something nice about him

>>96626849
>Originally, we did want people to talk about how different factions would have slightly different looks to their ‘Mechs with different factories. We did look at that. The original plan was to have multiple artists like me, Alex Iglesias, and Matt Plog all do the same ‘Mechs multiple times. But I think it became a bit of a logistical mess, and it cost a lot of money too. Catalyst wasn’t swimming in cash at the time.
Shame

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>Anthony: That one I probably can’t recall in the moment, but I think it’s an inevitability that we’ll get to WarShips and JumpShip art. If we’ve got DropShips and aerospace lying around, then there’s gonna be books where we wanna just pick the rest.

>>96626782
A man with a space ak killing men in front of him so he can flee the metal demon faster.

>>96626849
He was an ok shitposter until he became successful and triggered all the losers here by not failing at life.

>>96626859
If only they brought more artists in now

>>96626932
lol gottem

Im curious if you lived in the Battletech universe and got your pick of mech to pilot would you go light because of a need for speed or assault because you wanted to be a walking wall of guns or something in-between?

>>96627066
Light mech if I was in a House unit. Because then I'd be a speedy recon guy who couldn't be expected to stick around for the bad shit.
Heavy if I were a merc so my mere presence would deter most of my expected enemies and give me a fighting chance to survive long enough to negotiate a withdrawal if the place I'm guarding gets targeted by serious House backed invasion.
Medium mechs don't have a get out of jail free card when the big boys come out like lights do.
Assault mechs imply bad shit by default, so ecen if you're in a beast you can expect the opposition to be fierce, else why would they send you?

>>96626496
munkin but fun, actually love the art.

>>96626849
I got no beef with Shimmy, I am old so like the OG art but understand it needed a change.

I just hate he didn't call Sarna Sean a faggot. I hope Shimmy posts here again, he was (hopefully still is) good people.

He needs to do some OG vees.

If you ask me. All autocannons should have their weight cut in half, which might finally make them worth taking.

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So /btg/:
What's that design you love the look of, that could so easily have a good loadout that first the feel of the design... But that instead just has straight garbage for all it's canon variants/configs? And what's your personal refit that makes it better while retaining most of the feel of the original?

>>96627194
That first the feel?
And I thought I was drunk.

>>96627194
I fucking love the 4e Cyclops, but aside from the lazy-ass dualgauss all the variants are no good

>>96627199
Fits*

>>96627194
The Assassin isn't shit, only it's players are shit.
>how 2 play
Smoke LRM's and inferno SRM's while bullying the shit out of light and CV's or jumping around and being a absolute menace to support and rear line mechs.

>>96627228
"Bullying" lights while having the armor and armament of a bug, yeah sure bud. You can make it an annoyance, but you can make a far cheaper mech just as annoying. 1 Mlas, 2 SRM tubes, and 5 LRM tubes with 1 ton of ammo for each launcher (so you can't even swap between utility and damage) is an annoyance, not a menace. This isn't the 90s when Infernos instakilled vees.

>>96626932
>became successful
By what measure? I've worked to design roads and bridges that millions of people have driven over. Am I more succesful that a mid-talent artist who draws giant robots for a company full of embezzling greedy mormons? Why or why not?

>>96627283
>dosen't kick or step on CV's
Lol, lamo.

>>96627309
Buy two Wasps, they do better than one Assassin, cost the same, and they're not a nearly extinct design.

>>96627286
If you were successful the sucess of others or jabs of 4chan anons would not bother you. You responded. You are bothered. Thus you are unsuccessful.

all the classics need 3145vera mixed or clantech versions, ala' the hunchback hbk-c or mauler mal-4r

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>>96627066
Fast heavy, something like a lancelot, or a daikyu. best of both worlds.

>>96627066
Falconer, Scourge, or Black Hawk KU E. Gotta go fast because clan tech is bullshit.

>>96627228
I gotta kinda agree, if you use alt ammo it's fun, not good. But fun.

Was there any faction or group that utilized stealth systems?
I was just thinking that several medium mechs, maybe even lights, with PPCs and stealth could be a good way to punch above their weight class.

>>96627194
The crab.
It needs a melee bonus and more armor. Remove the torso and head laser and focus weapons only on the arms. That could be its weakness for balance.

>>96627066
I would go with a medium actually, flexible enough to be useful in a variety of situations while not being a priority target.
I would choose a Crab, and Enforcer, or a Vindicator.

I dont know clan mech that well yet

>>96627066
Give me an armored up HBK-4SP with an srm 6, inferno 6, and something to punch.

>>96627588
Cappies tend to use a lot of stealth armor and ECM. RotS also did because they were rat bastards.

>>96627188
nah, just make energy weapons don't contribute to 20 dmg psr

>>96627653
You don't think energy beams with high enough power to instantly vaporize and punch through slabs of steel aren't imparting enough energy to effect the mechs stability?

>>96627588
>>96627646
Also WoB and SLDF

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>>96627665
like many things, abstraction for game purpose

>>96627697
Sure, but in this case the rules side with me.

>>96627703
how so?

>>96627709
Because energy weapons count toward the 20 damage psr

Rolled 4, 6, 2, 6 = 18 (4d6)

>>96626110
Leftenant Muhammad Smith reporting for the FedSuns

>>96627984
For mech

Rolled 668 (1d1000)

>>96627989

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>>96626496

Viper pulse boat trash.

>>96626849
He works fast and has a consistent style.

I don't like his philosophy of making art that can look exactly like the minis, but I sort of respect the idea behind it.

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>>96627066

Three or four kilometers seems like a comfortable distance from the front line.

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>>96627194
All of its variants are saved only by the fact of Clantech.

Is it really so hard to make a fast, backstabbing scout that can actually sink enough to be able to jump in, fire, and jump out without seriously risking shutdown?

>>96628060
>I don't like his philosophy of making art that can look exactly like the minis, but I sort of respect the idea behind it.
How do you think the new minis are being made, Anon?

>>96626110
Rolling for mechwarrior sergeant buff drinklots

>>96628548
>

Rolled 3, 2, 10 = 15 (3d10)

>>96628548
guess d1000 isn't a thing

>>96627188
>5 ton RAC/5
A weapon to surpass ML

>>96627984
>>96628548
I'll assume this means that the list is fine, buy guys, you did not read the post. Not time to roll yet. Also, mech gets rolled first.
>>96628564
>guess d1000 isn't a thing
It absolutely is.

>>96626496
ugly af

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>>96626496
I like it in the same way I like the Nova. Nice design but why would anyone use any variant besides the prime.

>>96627066
A heavy with jump jets

>>96627066
I like my fast clan mediums, especially with jump jets. Griffin IIC, Shadow Hawk IIC, Vapor Eagle, and Carrion Crow would be some of my top picks.

>>96628590
Doesn't matter the order

Should heavier mechs have more crits?

I ran out of glue and I still have a bunch of mechs to assemble. I was using gorilla glue superglue, you guys have any recommendations for metal minis?

>>96628702
It will make things simpler with the stat bonuses. I am now considering instituting a -1 to pilot rolls for anyone that rolls pilot before mech.

>>96628913
Ok, and?

How do people feel about MRMs losing the +1 to hit in exchange for a -2 on the cluster table? Especially with the changes to AMS.

>>96628772
You are using it already. I just buy the mini tube 3 packs since I hate when the bottles get crusty half way through.

>>96629128
Probably for the better. MRMs are bad and AMS still isn't common on most canon designs.

>>96629128
It's a -1 on the cluster table, so you still hit with every missile if you roll a 12.

I like it.

>>96629317
Anyone playing in an era with MRM is a bad person.

>>96628720
No, the difficulty of crit packing a high tech assault provides interesting limitations on them. Also, no sheet space for them.

>>96629423
Playing civil war era is actually intrinsically morally good, hope this helps.

>>96628055
file name
my sides

>>96629128
I like it, what are the AMS changes?
MRMs might not be laughable.

>>96629128
I've said for years that MRMs should have matching -1 or -2 to both to-hit and cluster, to represent the fact that fluff says it's easier for new/bad pilots to use. It having a to-hit penalty was always a bit disconnect.

>>96629522
AMS can now engage two flights of missiles per turn (2nd engagement optional since it still costs heat and ammo) and can reduce them to 0 missiles.

>>96626496
The IS version is really underrated for what you get. If MRM changes go through then the OB might become an interesting choice though not too sure about the C3 changes being proposed.
>>96627066
Depends on what I would do. I am half tempted to say if I was running merc or pirate I'd want something like a Shad even if its not the ideal choice for any situation it can pretty much do everything. Its pretty much the pickup truck of the mech world and supposedly is a really comfy ride that you can be in for weeks at a time.

>>96626110
Spector in 3025 and a 4F no less? Are you going to be treating this like double-blind and allowing alt ammo like smoke?
You could also offer rerolls by the way for bad mechs or just give automatic skill bonuses flatout which makes rolling a poor mech an interesting gamble?

>>96629908
Probably on that chart because the MAC finding a SL cache with Spectors and Starslayers, which they got at some point before 3044.

>>96629424
Could do crit slots like superheavies.

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>>96630089
and a 9FC Nightstar?

>>96630289
That would mean changing record sheets for literal thousands of units for zero benefit.

>>96629128
It's -1, not -2. I definitely like it. As has been said, people have argued for this for years. The only question is what Apollo then does. I'm not sure what it should do.

>>96630371
Yeah I got no fucking idea for that one, how the fuck is there a 3057 design in a 2025 match?

>>96626110
Anon just adjust the pilots after you generate the forces to even out the BV, it's not fucking hard.

>>96630633
Personally, I would allow it to adjust the to-hit and cluster up and down. Good pilots who can eat the hit penalty can tighten up their clusters to land more missiles, or bad pilots can boost the to-hit but land less missiles.

>>96629585
Nice, it's more than fair. I know they have a dark age super AMS but I always thought AMS should hit anything passing by even if over (0) or 1 hex.

Am I the only one that doesn't enjoy fielding light mechs?


I don't enjoy the playstyle of some of them and the lightest I go is 35 which is just me playing with my Wolf Hound if i get entsy I'll field an Incubus but thats because its got enough armor to tank a shot as well as good weapon load out and just super fast.

>>96630903
>Am I the only one that doesn't enjoy fielding light mechs?
Yes.

>>96630903
What a wrong opinion.

Huh, I thought Nik Mason being a Clanner was a bullshit, but turns out Intelser did exist. Learn something new everyday I suppose.
Then why the fuck was the Dragoon Compromise even needed if there were already spies working in the IS gathering info?

How did the trueborn bloodnamed warriors cope when they got beaten by the IS freebirths in 'honourable' combat (that they can't claim it was dezgra)?

>>96630903
If you play as a Periphery nobody, lights are pretty much all you reasonably get

>>96631204
Mostly by finding a reason to claim what happened wasn't honorable in some way. 1v1 Fresh IS mech vs fresh clan mech of equal tonnage rarely went the IS's way.

>>96631162
>Then why the fuck was the Dragoon Compromise even needed if there were already spies working in the IS gathering info?
To pre position a wolf unit to prepare the sphere to thwart the invasion.

>>96631162
Intesler was disbanded by Clan Council but the majority of the Council thought the information wasn't enough so they sent the Dragoon's in.

Even with the Dragoon's being sent the clans information on the IS was severly outdated. While they where able to gleam allot of information from the Outbound Light they where still unprepared especially in regards to the secrecy of ComStar.

>>96630680
That's actually an amazing idea.

>>96630903
Pretty much. If you don't/can't appreciate light mechs, you're probably mentally deficient and can't plan more than four hexes ahead.

>>96629908
>Spector in 3025 and a 4F no less
It was made before 3025.
>>96630371
>and a 9FC Nightstar?
Looks like I got my variants mixed up. I'll change it to the -9J.

If the concern of you 2 is that the Spector and Nightstar are even on the lists to begin with, I'll direct you to the odds of them being rolled. I'm totally okay with a Nightstar or Marauder II being on the list because you have a 0.1% chance of rolling it. The Spector is at 0.3%. I want there to be the possibility of something incredibly rare and special being rolled. If someone rolls that 1,000 on the mech roll, I'm fine with letting them have a unicorn level mech.
>>96630669
>Anon just adjust the pilots after you generate the forces to even out the BV
Do you not understand the concept of rolling? Adjusting people's stats after the fact would defeat the entire purpose of the rolling.

Newbie here, confused about the rules a bit. Can someone please explain how partial cover works and affects things?

Scenario 1:
>mech A is at lvl 0, with a lvl 1 hex infront of it. Mech B is at lvl 0 on the other side of the lvl 1 hex.

Scenario 2:
>mech A is at lvl 1 with a lvl 2 hex infront of it. Mech B is at lvl 0 on the other side of the lvl 2 hex

Scenario 3:
>mech A is on lvl 1 with a lvl 1 hex next to it. Mech B is at lvl 0 next to the lvl 1 hex.

Scenario 4:
> mech A is at lvl 2 with a lvl 1 hex next to it. Mech B is at lvl 0.

Any more obscure scenarios i might not have thought of that you might find useful to know would be greatly appreciated