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>Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds
make your bets people, what will the shawarma card be?
>>96633127Today i began my quest of playing gruul agro of killing anyone who plays spider slop first on sight, i forced him to change deck after 2 gamesI dont care if i loose the game, i will correct manchildren with big leviathan cock
>>96633127Each day is a fresh hell>>96633140Literally just a common artifact food that's completely unplayable>(5)>Shawarma for All>Artifact - Food>(2){t} Sacrifice : Any number of players each gain 3 life>"JARVIS, bill this one to the UN."
>>96633127oh no a promo I'll likely never seeGrrr I am mad. Grrr! Please reply with "based"
>>96633159Stfu spongefag
>>96633148Ok. I already have absolute virtue out on turn 3 so do your best, brotha.
>>96633148SOMEBODY GET THIS BIGOT OUT OF HERE!
>>96633168I don't have the sponge shit because it sold out in 5 seconds
>>96633158how about a "when you cast this spell, copy it for each hero you control"
>>96633169You know what players really like, Non-Commander Commander Ninjutsu>t. osewater
>>96633140Shawarma isn't really a 'thing' in the comics and probably people stopped caring about it with regards to MCU stuff anyway. At most it'll be art for the Food token.
>>96633170Thank you for abiding by the Community Guidelines!
>>96633158
>>96633185so how many people cared about bagel and schmear?
>>96633190I was SO FUCKING ANGRY! How could a BAGEL exist in NEW YORK CITY?!?!?!?!??!?
>>96633190That was done as a 'New York thing' not really as a 'comics thing'. Basically space-filler because they made the set bigger.
>>96633189>real life sieges used cauldrons of boiling oil as a weapon>le funny goblins use soup instead!This is meant to be an own?
>>96633148gruulGODS... I kneel...
Still the KING
>>96633202I think it's more of a >nyc in mtgThing
>>96633202>How could a BAGEL exist in NEW YORK CITY?!?!?!?!??!?No, WHY does a bagel exist in MAGIC?
>>96633211OH NO! Not the game that has China, Arabia, Greece and Japan
>>96633207Comin' through!
>>96633212It's a fucking food and not even a recently invented one."WHY IS BREAD IN MTG?!?!?!""WHY IS WATER IN MTG?!""WHY IS SOUP IN MTG?!?"
>>96633211He knows that, he's here to shitpost because his ego is damaged by people judging him for having his snout in the trough
>>96633169you mean got a 3/3 beast token
>>96633213Yes, literally this exactly.
>>96633202there's plenty of new york food things, and all of them would have been stupidpizza would have been fucking stupid THIS CARD was fucking stupid Seriously who at WotC was it that had a food fetish again?
>>96633189>soupModern invention
>>96633226Soup is also stupid IMOAs are scissors existing, which we have a card of.
>>96633230what modern day culture can soup be inherently tied to?
>>96633213The pig is squealing
>another "scream about UB" EpisodeLETTING THE DAYS GO BYWATER FLOWING UNDERGROUND
Is putting all these into a mono red burn deck a bad idea?Imodane as commander and then just blasting stuffy doll or brash taunter
>>96633242Just delete red and blue from the game to be honest
>>96633226>>96633234Bro he's just a UBpiggy having a tard tantrum. He isn't interested in discussion he wants to throw a screaming fit over completely valid problems with UBEven if you could somehow objectively prove that he is in the wrong, he wouldnt care. Because ultimately this is about him liking UB and being upset that others shame him for liking it
>>96633242It's a bad idea for your walletMonored is the budget color my dude, the fuck you doin?
>>96633242you shouldn't build decks
What is YOUR favorite Sultai commander
>>96633242You might win a game or two doing that
>>96633255I don't know what sultai is
>>96633255Vorosh the hunter and its not even close
>>96633255How many commanders are Sultai? There's Sidisi, Taisigur and that's all I know offhand.
>>96633255big stompy with commanders that help me play a slow game
>>96633255Otrimi, unironically. Bring back mutate.
Why is Giada so popular?
>>96633298Angel tribal
Why does TCGPlayer estimate a 2+ week delivery time? Not even the worse online sellers give that far of an estimate.
>>96633255I am very original and unique
>>96633298Despite having hundreds of cards, Angel commanders that actually care about the card type are very rare. Giada does it best. If they ever print a 5c angel commander I'd play that over her in a second even though it would encourage 5c value slop.
>>96633310TCGPlayer direct will send faster than that.It's for all the other 99.9% of sellers to give them time to be lazy and not send shit.Despite this, I have had multiple packages that took TEN WEEKS to arrive.The worst are shops that then try to argue with you to wait longer. No, fucker. Money back now and next time don't be a lazy fucker.
>>96633255I just want big hydra, I don't even run any of the x-spell finishers
>>96633255None
>Asks for Sultai commanders>Gets responses that aren't even from Tarkir
>>96633356"hehehe I specifically meant the group and not the colors"don't be dumb.
How do we squeal our way out of this one fellow UB piggies?
>>96633255I keep going back and forth between The Mimeoplasm and Teval, the Balanced Scale as my favorite Sultai commander. I like the idea of combining creatures into one all-powerful being is fun but so is creating a ton of zombies by filling and purging my graveyard.
>>96633376I see you are very very unfamiliar with pokemon
>>96633376Are you a retard or just pretending to be one? Pokemon cards are scalped into fucking space and that's a fucking play-booster rack. Spiderman also has a retarded draft format that probably turned off half the people who would bother buying packs to begin with.
>>96633325Running into that now. Ordered cards start of the month and now they're telling me to wait a week. I'm just gonna ask for a refund now.
>>96633390Demand a refund and rate them 1 star. If it is over the stated date they have no excuse at all.
>>96633325>order 16 cards on tcgplayer>receive 3 packs of 4 cards, clearly they forgot one of the packs, but I didn't realize it at first because I have a few packages coming >when I email them I get back a novel about how all their packaging is done on camera and there's no way possible they forgot the cards >reply back that I specifically made this order for a certain card to add to my decks and I am positive I didn't receive it>they double down on the recorded video and insist that I check my deck for the card???>tell them to fuck off and send me the video or give me a refund>refund is processed
>>96633383>>96633389>NOOOOOOOOOO POKEMON IS JUST MORE POPULAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBoth games are run by Hasbro and Hasbro says Magic is their money maker sooooooo
I pay the like 50% extra for direct packages so I don't have to deal with terrible shops.
>>96633377*The idea of combining creatures into o e all-powerful being is fun but so is filling and then purging my graveyard to create tons of zombies.
>>96633405Are you retarded?
>>96633127What the fuck even is this card game anymore any shitpost is now a real card
>>96633413*one
>>96633356Nah anon this is exactly the kind of spread of answers I wanted because really I want to use Sin, Spira's punishment but I can't keep making all UB commanders or they'll know I'm a newfag
>>96633422Pandering to collectors is bad and the reserve list was the domino that started it all
>>96633416Nice non-argument
>>96633148I thought trans people liked UB
>>96633395Asked for a refund now. If I don't hear back by tomorrow I'm getting TCG involved.
>>96633435noooo stop using this image ahhhhh I'm in charge here
>>96633377>>96633413>>96633424Thank you for the input anon now go to sleep my eepy friend
>>96633148If you're attacking the other guy I am gonna go all in on attacking your no-blocker ass
>>96633444I never punish full sends because it encourages cowardice
>>96633450>I play badly because someone else plays badlyAverage edh player
>>96633376It took me 8 stores to find a spiderman collector booster this weekend, but i finally did get 2. We never found pokemon at any
>>96633455And proud of itNothing duller than a bunch of cowards sitting on their big boards too afraid to make a move
>>96633458>Spider-Flop is so unpopular stores aren't even stocking it
>>96633480this but pokemon. dead game
>>96633463One of you were supposed to board wipe
>>96633148based as fuck
>>96633480Mine only had the Foundations Beginner Boxes and Murder at Karl's Jr
Alright i think i'm just gonna keep the Hatred effect because it's fun and i'd only use her for super casual games anyway.Any suggestions for fun stuff to add before i get it printed?
>>96633480... and?Unrelated, I just wanted to post my wife.
>>96633524We really dont care. I wish the custom card threads came back
>>96633524go ahead and put Rowan, Scion of War in this deck
>>96633529
>>96633545Lol that would be pretty evil.
>>966332553 color commanders are slop. No 3 color commander actually has color identity. It's just a random mechanic or two that can vaguely fit under one of the color umbrellas.
>>96633534I wish they hadn't been filled with people who hadn't touched magic since 98
>>96633569>Whenever you do thing, do blue thing>Whenever you do blue thing, do green thing>Whenever you do green thing, do black thing
>>96633529More flavor text waifus, please
>>96633255This guy. When you do a low curve build with some instant speed tech, it becomes a satisfying aggro-control playstyle.
>>96633255Mothguy
>>96633569explain how this is a three color problem and not just a color identity problem. how is a mono red commander with haste not equally slop.
>>96633671mono white weenie tokens is SOVL
>mfw I see someone playing oketra
Supposed leak about Reality Fracture
We need more cards to show off big booty. Rev Tithe Extractor comes the closest.
>>96633696We don't need this, actually
>>96633298Despite being one of the more popular tribes, angels themselves are in general badly designed and horribly outdated. They're massively overcosted, they're very underpowered mechanically and p/t wise for their costs, and few have synergies with other angels. If you want to run monowhite angel tribal there is essentially no other on theme Commander worth running because Giada is the only angel that fulfills all 3 requirements for a viable angel commander: she's reasonably costed, she helps actually getting angels onto the field with mana production, and she buffs angels making them into actual threats. Even if you didn't want her as your Commander, Giada is one of the few actually well designed angel cards so she's an immediate auto include in the 99 of any angel tribal deck. Essentially, she is one of if not the best cards in a tribe with an extremely small pool of viable cards.It's the same reason why Edgar Markov has been top 5 on EDHrec for years, because if you want to run commander that includes most vampires, you're running Mardu, and right now there are all of 4 Mardu vamp Commanders and 3 of them do actual jack shit for Vamp tribal and suck on their own as Commanders. It'd be nice if MaRo and co actually started giving is viable cards and commanders for beloved and popular but outclassed tribes, but I guess market research shows fans want Spider Hero Villain and Furby tribal instead of the ones that consistently hit the top 20 of popularity on sites like EDHrec.
>>96633707Eddie moved to top 2. Total vampire domination soon
>>96633463This is why I'm unironically hyped for the Kratos card that kills people for sitting in their cuckshed with their value engines. We need more aggressively costed forced combat commanders that punish players for tiptoeing through combat phases. Too many players are scared to hurt fee fees by swinging out even if they have a board that can kill someone. Goad is nice but all of it is way too expensive and does jack shit 1v1.
The secret UB will be a YGO collab since Konami is making a ton of those lately
>>96633298The only other viable Angel commander is Kaalia, who will rarely live more than a turn. Atla Palani and Kykar polymorph are also fun meme options, but not as effective. But Giada is specifically targeted towards angels and needs no other moving parts to get the strategy going.
>>96633671Because there are extremely few mono/2 color commanders that do what their 3 color equivalent does but better. If Magic were a well designed game mono and 2 color would have stronger mechanics than their 3 color equivalents, and the strength of 3 color would be its diversity (of course in a well designed game 3+ color commanders wouldn't even exist but I won't get into that). Muldrotha for example, which is the premier reanimator commander. How many B/G/U, Dimir, Golgari or Simic commanders are there that just straight up say "Play (insert type/number) of permanents from your graveyard" with no hoops or set up required and no additional costs. You have to sacrifice, you have to pay mana, you have to have x power or experience counters, etc. Why does Kaalia get to throw huge creatures onto the board when there's few to no equivalents of that in mono/dual RWB? Isshin's attack trigger doubling. Arcades toughness matters. Vojas counters+draw. Etc etc etc.3 color commanders get the strongest and most interesting mechanics stapled to them even if its barely part of one of their color identities, and if there is a mono/dual equivalent the 3 color version is almost always stronger and easier to proc. That's why 3+ color commanders are slop, it's deck building on easy mode where the only challenge is paying for your mana base.
>>96633808>which is the premier reanimator commanderi don't think i agree at all. >That's why 3+ color commanders are slop, it's deck building on easy mode where the only challenge is paying for your mana base.idk never been an issue for me
I like Ur-Dragon
How many protection pieces do you guys run in your voltron decks?
>>9663385199
>>96633713Yeah as soon as he came down from $100+ dollars Markov decks proliferated rapidly. Instead of taking this as a sign of the obvious extreme interest in vampires and giving the player base some new viable vamp commanders to build with we get Star Trek! Avatar! Planeswalker multiverse! Spider Man! WOTC are fucking imbeciles.
>>96633851my voltron is protection pieces
>>96633858
>>9663385120. Oh you mean Voltron without inherent protection? 40.
https://archidekt.com/decks/16080075/caesar_go_wide_aggro_with_a_side_of_aristocratsUpdated my Caeser with some shit i bought/traded for on friday, is cool? debating whether i should keep aristocrats or just go all in on making doods
>>96633875Pick a lane. Aggro or aristo. If you try to split strats you're just gonna wind up durdle fucking most of the time. Personally with Caesar I'd go aggro.
>>96633859They could have put a vamp commander in spider-shit. There's at least two in the set that could have been more than draft chaff
>>966338510 because it's dying anyway
>>96633891Fuuuck no they should not the first real vamp commander since 2017 into a spidergoy set.
>>96633887Fair, I put in a lot of sac/death pay offs cus I get a free sac per turn. Also means I can chuck 1/1s and not care if they die because I'll get 2-3 death pay offs
>>96633912Who cares?>MUH SANCTITY OF MAGICPlease fucking quit.And I don't mean magic.I mean life.
>>96633808>premier reanimatorNo its not.>how many getA handful at most.>why does kaliaa get to when no mono red doesBecause it isnt an effect of mono red, or white, or black. It happens when conditions are met that satisfy numerous colors.Honestly you typed a ton and said nothing because ultimately your point is>I like 1 and 2 color decks and will just say inane shit to make it a big deal
>>96633859There are so many vampire commanders covering many playstyles youre retarded. Fat fuck crying for more cake
>>96633922the pig is shaking
>>96633922Listen man i just don't wanna feel compelled to touch a capeslop card ever, if they made it something from a cooler UB that would be more acceptable.
>>96633935Feel free to name some retard.
>>96633946Considering I just saw you say>since 2017Its clear you arent really worth engaging with. We had multiple vampire themed sets since then lol
>>96633952That wasn't him that was me and I'm right.They've released other vampire commanders that are okay but none of the ones anyone would wanna use are mardu, so they're all locked out of using a significant chunk of the best and coolest vampires.Edgar is the only mardu vamp commander worth using, that's why everyone uses him and the other ones are pretty much exclusively run by hipsters who would rather run Edgar too but feel like they're too unique for it.
>>96633808purphoros, tannuk, ilharg, akuloviya (aetherdrift), myojin, braids, some chick from fallout
>>96633952That wasn't me you brainlet, but thanks for conceding like a bitch since you obviously have no actual counter examples and know you'd get btfo'd if you actually had to give your take.Thanks for coming out! Hopefully you've learned to not bother replying to posts when you have no fucking idea how to take or defend a position.
>>96633822>>96633928>i don't think i agree at all.>No its not.nta but it's not really a matter of agreement, Muldrotha IS the most played reanimator commander by a considerable margin. Unless you count Kenrith, but that's 5c so it's not like it defeats anon's point.Though, the NEXT most played reanimator after Muldrotha is golgari
>>96633946>Feel free to name somehttps://edhrec.com/tags/vampires
>>96633958You are wrong and thats okay. They dont need to fit your criteria anon. Please get diagnosed for autism this is an unhealthy way to live
>>96633972Yeah man I can't wait to build my Morlun deck, Edgar is basically obsolete now.
>>96633977>>96633967>brainlet How insecure are you this is the fruit youre grasping for? Its okay that you are new to the game/dont pay attention to releases. Plenty of vampire commanders have been released since Edgar, objectively, like there is no arguing this point. You can say you dont like them that is fine.
>>96633981You just said to name some vampires anon
>>96633977>no argument
broke: ban thassas oraclewoke: ban hoarding broodlord
>>96633971Don't bother engaging with them lol they're contrarian brainlets that will cite some random commander and say it's le better when the criteria is "no hoops or set up" required and raw utility, as if they've somehow found some hidden undiscovered gem in a game full of no life autists who obsessively pour over cards.
UB is unfair to people with anxiety disorders. I went to my LGS and someone played Spider Gwen. I had a panic attack and shit myself and had to go home crying. I'll never return.
>>96633986Nobody said they don't exist you retard, the point is that they're all extremely inferior to Edgar not just in power but also in how enjoyable they are to use.All the other Mardu ones are complete shit and nobody wants to run vampires non-mardu because that's just massively stifling how many options you can choose from.
>>96633986Way to miss his whole point anonhe basically said>the good vampires are all in mardu>edgar is realistically the only good mardu vampire commander>wotc should print more mardu vampire commanders because of the obvious massive player interest in mardu vampire commanders as proved by Edgar's absurd popularity"more vampires" isn't the point. Eddie wouldn't have taken the #2 spot if the other vamps they've printed could compete with Eddie as a vamp tribal commander
>>96633967>getting mad cause someone disagreed with someone else (who totally wasnt you)Most obvious samefagging ever
>>96633935You're an idiot. Edgar is the objective best vamp commander and your only actual choice in Mardu. You've tried to argue before there are equal alternatives in mardu. There are not.Kill yourself you little worm.
>>96633989Things aren't arguments just cause you want them to be. Reality contradicts your beliefs. It doesnt hurt me none if you want to be delusional.>>96634005>first real vamp commander since 2017Its actually exactly what was said lol. And its wrong! No amount of screeching will change that.>>96634008I didnt miss anything anon. Its just a dumb "point". I am a big fan of my vampire deck and the commander is much more recent than 2017.
>>96633986I thought you weren't engaging anymore. I never said "dur der r no vmap comwamndewrs" you dishonest brainlet, my exact words:>It's the same reason why Edgar Markov has been top 5 on EDHrec for years, because if you want to run commander that includes most vampires, you're running Mardu, and right now there are all of 4 Mardu vamp Commanders and 3 of them do actual jack shit for Vamp tribal and suck on their own as Commanders. That's my complaint. The vast majority of potential vampire commanders suck and don't do too much for vamps and their typical mechanics, if anything. But you knew you that, which is why you keep making up shit nobody said and pretending the debate is about something its not, throwing out accusations of samefaggery, and refusing to actually give your opinions. You're the most boring kind of brainlet: stupid, egotistical, and dishonest.
>>96634019>you've triedNope? I would say to not play mardu vamps cause thats gay lol. Hes also not objectively the best hes genuinely not very good i dont know the pods you play in where he would he considered good but they are very very low power ones.
>>96634021You can keep arguing with the guy but you are objectively incorrect and did this before. You suggest shit like grixis, which isn't similar.Might as well tell people to use fucking Forgotten Soldier as their zombie commander.
>>96634021>I didnt miss anything anon. Its just a dumb "point". I am a big fan of my vampire deck and the commander is much more recent than 2017.Ah, so you took personal offence at his point because it insulted your baby. Most understandable.Who is it?
>>96634025I never said that anon i said you weren't worth engaging with. Work on your reading comprehension please.>bunch of whiny drivelDidn't read. You are wrong, plenty of vampire commanders, and good ones, have been released since Edgar. Your personal opinions are not relevant here.
>>96634021This isn't very interesting bait man do better
Everyone arguing about vampires is a faggot
>>96634033Name one (1)
>>96634028>you are objectively incorrectPic related is objective proof that im actually right.
There are now 3 people laughing at you dumbass. Take the L and move on, before you start accusing the whole thread of being the same poster you brainlet schizo.
>>96634038I do like to wear my gf's clothes so i can't disagree there.t. Edgar main
>>96634040lmao epic troll, retard
>>96634032>>96634034>>96634039>>96634040>>96634041You have all been proven wrong. Its okay.
>>96634034stfu and play my grixis vamp commander that has 0 synergy with vampires and is in a color with 0 vampires!
>>96634050It's an honest question anon. Who's your pet vampire commander?
>>96634050I'm gonna cast mono brown logs down your throat
>>96634040>current year>using (((scryfall)))ok
Remember a year ago when anyone who voiced a negative opinion about UB was "the one person" who didn't like it. Fuck all mouth breathing sloppa enjoyers.
>I made a retarded easily refuted argument which was easily refuted and posted nothing to back it up and am now having a melty! I win, everyone else are the retards, not I!
>>96634065there are three people on 4chan: me, that other guy, and you who disagrees with us
>>96634065>Rememberno
>>96634065This >>96634074 i don't even remember what i had for breakfast. Many things frigthen me
>>96634065Those were just troll responses. Even UB SLD drops have always been shit on here. Most anons knew the end was nigh when TWD dropped.If anyone is defending UB now it's just to troll.
>UB seethe session #492791Yawn!
I like UB
>>96634064Yes, because it's objectively the best database for Magic cards.
>>96634065>Everyone is one personThe thread has tons of UB supporters. They just leave when the UB haters show up. And vise versa
>>96634080You can't actually believe that.
What is the actual percentage of Magic the Gathering players that like both the game and The Office to the point that they would want to buy a card of Dwight. I want to see the research numbers because I can't believe it'd be more than 1%. And does Hasbro make The Office toys? Or did they actually go to the IP holder and say "Hey, can be license a character from The Office for our (formerly) fantasy card game?" At least other UB makes sense, this shit is genuinely baffling to me.
>>96634116I built a 1000 dollar Fourteenth Doctor deck and posted pictures of the physical deck solely to troll.
>>96634130I'm gonna buy it
>>96634127Yes, I'm an oldfag, I was there and you can check the archives: most anons didn't like the idea of UB and knew it was going to lead us to exactly where we are.
>>96634130I'd buy it if it was cheaper. The only reason I won't is because it isn't worth the 65 they charge.
>>96634130>play the most obnoxious commander using obnoxious office artDelightfully devilish
>>96634130There's a good chance this was a vanity project for some soi retards in the company
>>96633255>pic related>>96633263BASED
>>96634130People love The Office dude, this SLD will bring people who've never played MTG into the fold.
>>96634142No one enters for non-full sets
>>96634145I entered for the spongebob cards
>>96634152Too bad you couldn't get them because they sold out in 10 minutes
>>96634145Non-full sets are a bigger draw than full sets because fewer cards = less intimidating to a new player
>>96634155I have a Jodah (forma sponga) deck full of them
>spongebob pulled in more players than FF and LOTRlmfasooj
>>96634163Literally like half my LGS commander scene started or returned cus of FF thoughbeit
in defense of UB it does bring in a lot of new players from all walks of life and that's great for wotc to have a healthy enough player base BUT the fact they're catering to UB and oversaturate the market with it is really bad the term "Marvel Fatigue" exists because everyone got sick of marvel movies after 10+ years of marvel like you can defend the stupid fallout and warhammer and dr who just cause it was purely no standard legal commander decks and LOTR was fantastical enough to be magic adjacent but fuck man star trek and spiderman is just flat out not magic and I'm not gonna be surprised if 10 years from now magics fanbase dies and degrades to just pokemon levels of chasing stupid ass serialized cards and nobody actually playing the game cause it was power crept into yugioh levels of combo turn 1 wins
There's going to be universes within version of those Playstation crossover cards, right? I hate UB but the samurai is basically Kamiz without the has hassle of the power difference clause in her ability.>>96634130The only players they care about are the liberal, onions-poisoned redditors on r/MagicTCG; and I'm willing to bet most of them are fans of The Office (extremely reddit show). The game is run by faggy millennial nerds their faggy millennial bullshit into the game on every level after all.
I'd rather play a character I grew up with instead of some new freshly made character WOTC invented.
>>96634220what's an extremely 4chan show?
>>96634230Lucky Star
>>96633114This is my Inalla deck so far. I want to keep it somewhat budget, and it is 500 usd so far. Any advice? I want to get the greatest bang for my buck within this theme, but there might be tension between combo/tutor lines and more directly useful enter the battlefield effects (which Inalla also loves). I got another commander deck (Atraxa), but it is salvaged from some things I already had. Advice for that one too would be appreciated (Atraxa deck list on next post).
>>96634222I'd rather there be thematic consistency in the game, even with the decline in the writing (which was never that good anyway) and art. Seeing Spongebob, Cloud, Black Aragorn, and Mr. House at a magic table completely takes me out of the game.
>>96634239Atraxa deck (built with shit I had at hand)
mono red kratos would be cooler if it acted like slicer instead imo
>>96634240That's Dr. House for you
>>96634230Panty and Stocking
>>96634220> hate UB but the samurai is basically Kamiz without the has hassle of the power difference clause in her ability.do you really think you're gonna get called out as a ghost of tsushima fan by playing the cool samurai guy? it was a playstation 4 exclusive so it got played by seven people. eight, tops.
>>96634240Some shit fits. Warhammer made sense. Same goes for half of the Final Fantasy stuff and LotR. Spiderman, Doctor Who and basically everything else is pure cancer and absolutely retarded.
>>96634239>>96634243you gotta be an incredibly special kind of FUCKING STUPID to not just link the goddamned decks.
>>96633127This is less offensive than the last of us and kratos because it's reprints
>>96634253>Warhammer made senseNo it fucking didn't, you fucking HACK
>nondeterministic combo player being slow as they all are>get bored and concede >look at top card of library>it's a card that wins the game for me if i was patient
>>96633255Wedges suck
>>96634240>thematic consistencyThen get rid of the multiverse thing and go back to Dominaria and forget any other plane.Stop trying to pretend RAVNICA fits the consistency of a place like Dominaria. It doesn't.
>>96634250It's my own distaste with UB, I don't care what other players think.>>96634253Warhammer didn't fit, it's still too much sci-fi. Being fantasy like magic isn't my (only) issue with UB. Even the D&D crossover, arguably the most defensible one, is something I still wish wasn't a thing.
>>96634258>nondeterministicdo you not run tutors and just hope you get 2 cards together out of the 99?
>>96634253Warhammer is sci fi and makes as much sense as Doctor Who. Hell, even less. At least Doctor Who had historical aspects that can kinda fix, like a scottish highlander.
>>96634264Do you use talk to text or some shit, you illiterate jackal?
>>96634264TUTORS BAD!!!!!!1
>>96634264nondeterministic combo means one that has a chance of whiffing but is statistically unlikely, like revealing a certain number of cards off the top and if you hit the wrong type the combo ends.
>>96634266>>96634263>Phyrexia is not sci-fiyeah, ok
>>96634267imma lazy typer
>>96634273Phyrexians don't have space ships and laser rifles and iron man armor.
>>96634282No, thats the Dominarians
speaking of nondeterministic combos, krark players who use actual coins instead of an app that can run through flips quickly should just be banned for slow play.
>>96634273There's sci-fi elements in magic but it still leaned more heavily on the fantasy and blended to the two better back in the day.
>>96634287>requiring people own another device to playlol
>>96634130I'll buy the single of Heliod so I can put the walking ballista combo in my all UB deck as a wincon, but I hate The Office and think the character is insufferable.
>>96633891????
>>96634294Magic player using a partner commander to do game winning combos who also doesn't own a phone is only a hypothetical.
>>96634298I said NOT draft chaff
>>96634065Unless something's changed since I last posted here this place was always the anti-UB to reddit's pro-UB perspective. Being pro-UB is incorrect position btw.
>>96634254ok, but can I still get some feedback?https://moxfield.com/decks/ccfQ6sonqEig4XXKCBtfzQhttps://moxfield.com/decks/P7cUoPza50aSJ_Kl6nf2IQ
x=10000000Get the dice.
>>96634301>she doesn't know how to morb properly Skill issue
yo what'd I miss??? I've got 8 Harmonic Prodigy cards why'd she spike so hard
>>96634309Final fantasy is full of wizards
>>96634309vivi
>>96634314>>96634316oh fucking durrrr of course. Time to cash the fuck in
As a Star Trek fan. It should have been a secret lair. Like Star Trek does have a lot of lore, and enough material to be a set. But Idk if anyone realistically wants a J.J. Abrams Timeline, Deep space 9, or Strange new worlds cards to fill out enough for a whole set. This could of easily been 2 different secret lairs of TOS & TNG and Star Trek fans would of been happy.
>>96634319I'm also a fan of Trek and other crossover IPs, and I don't see why they should mix with Magic. I never understood what the crossovers in any media were.
>>96634324>I never understood what the crossovers in any media were.People like to play with all their toys. You probably have a little autism where you want to keep things neatly separate
>Showing the one card where the card types include “creature” and the text includes “prowess, prowess”It will never stop hurting that he wasn't legendary. It's the perfect card in the perfect colors for it
>>96634328It's always the biggest autistic dorks that get excited with crossovers.
Just woke up, gonna sit down and try to redo/tweak my Golbez deck for consistency/power/cohesiveness. I'm thinking of instead of it being only self-mill, but instead Mill in general.
>>96634332Not really, they're just spastics. The really autismal people are the ones who get irrationally mad at crossovers. The fact that we're having this discussion on the most autistic social media site is not a point in favor of your position, btw.
Can't wait for the Professor to double down on why Star Trek is perfect for magic while shitting on every other UB set.
>>96634344He didn't do that for Doctor Who
>>96634344I hate when people 180 on UB just because their favorite IP got picked up.
>>96634337I hate tripfags but at least this is Commander discussion. What's the list? What are you trying to change?
>>96633148You are like the executioner or gong farmer/shit shoveler caste in medieval times.Socially shunned but absolutely necessary
>>96634349That doesn’t happen. You have no examples of it happening.
>>96634349you have to admit D&D isn't egregious
>>96634337What's wrong with it? Isn't Golbez CEDH?
>>96634337Is the gap from self-mill to general mill not enormous?
>>96633936I love how these responses silence him every fucking time, keep it up
>>96634361>flying tentacle spaceship
>>96634361It's the least worst I'll give you that.
>>96634349That's the thread theme. People sucked the dick of fallout and final fantasy.
>>96634065I do remember. UB fatigue is real. I think seeing 4 our of 7 sets being UN was the line cross for these peopleMaRo has already posted to tumblr coping about it, saying it’s an atypical year lmaoooo
>>96634378It's not real. You just got really hyped about spider-man doing bad and are incapable of realizing this is due to it being a poorly constructed low power set that got changed mid production.
>>96634142People who are over 40 maybe. That show aired in 2005
>>96634381So, a majority of the playerbase?No clue why you guys act like MTG is a young persons game.
>>96634381It didn't stop airing until 2013 tho, which is well within living memory even for a little tyke like you
So what are the theories for the unannounced UB March set?
>>96634385TMNT is the leading theory but we've got all of two weeks to wait so I'm just kinda chilling
We did itWe jumped the shark
>>96634388Magic jumped the shark years ago. We're in the era of perpetual quality decline.
>>96634350Thanks? LmaoRight now I'm looking to explicitly get the combos and play patterns off easier. Golbez obviously cares about Artifacts etb-ing, stuff in my graveyard, and controlling a lot of artifacts (likely in the form of tokens).Power clearly matters too, so big, relevant bodies that can be used to drain a table is vital.Trying to go from the ground up this time. Here's some of the main stuff I've used and had good results with.>Unshakable TailAmazing for wheelspinning off the top>MatoyaPossibly my best draw engine>Polluted CisternThe drain is extremely good and the card costs so little to play>Enhanced SurveillanceBoth an optional defensive card and tripling Golbez' Surveil is absolutely wild>>96634365I don't know about cEDH, but I'm aiming for B4 for sure>>96634366That's what I'm hoping, actually. I want to find as many pieces that fill as many niches in one as possible, such as Altar of the Brood (need to get one). It's an Artifact, the effect is an ETB, and obviously messes with everyone in a useful way (synergizes with a lot of useful stuff)
>>96634386That would make sense but for some reason everyone at my LGS thinks it's gonna be Dragon Ball
>>96634392>darksteel juggernautI kneel
>>96634211Did you copy paste this post from reddit?>in defense of UB it does bring in a lot of new players from all walks of life and that's great for wotc to have a healthy enough player baseHow is that good? Were you struggling to find games? Were people not playing Magic at your LGS? If 50 people near you play Magic, how does there being 100 people near you playing Magic provide any advantage to you whatsoever?
>>96634398there was an "MTG x Nickelodeon" leak a while back, so it could be generalized as well but I think its gonna be TMNT. Its the most whored IP of all time, after all.
>>96634222Oh you should probably go play the games and buy the media from that franchise then instead of autism-smushing it into a game you have to share with other people many of whom don’t share your other interests and nostalgia
>>96634413
>>96634406Hey man all I'm saying is more cute girls show up to game stores now purely cause of UB & bloomburrow
>>9663438318 year olds were 6 in 2013.Your face melts like the end of Indiana Jones upon hearing those words. There you go, another boomer oldshit reference for you
>>9663442318 year olds aren't playing MTG, but 25 year olds are and they were growing up with the office
>>96634421>SEX! SEX! I WANT TO CUM! CUM IN WOMEN! IM SO OBSESSED WITH SEEEEEEXThis shit always reminds me of Chris Chan. Youre like one of those birds that’s the last of its species, hopelessly singing a mating call before dying alone
>>96634423Here's the real test of age. Do you remember 9/11?
>>96634423>>96634432Are all young people as miserable as you are, or are you just an expert?
>>96634432Autist spotted
>>96634433Yeah everyone remembers the police number, retard
>>96634436Autists are incurably horny, that’s why they always develop bizarre fetishes
>>96634120nah, but its the only one you know.cuck.
>>96634437I can't tell if you're fucking with me or actually stupid.
>>96634444I see teenagers are still throwing out insults just to sound cool and badass. The internet never changes.
>>96634444>>96634437>>96634442ah, to be underageb& again
>>96634402He hits a LOT of niches at once>Big Power>5 cmc for Simmy Synth>2 card types for Cistern>Artifact for Golbez
>>96634449>>96634452cool it with the reddit takes, there's no upvootes here.
+1/+1 counters, energy counters, ticket counters, poison counters
>>96634464It's just too cute, you can't be mad at the kid
Idk why I come back to this thread when I just know there's probably a dozen 13yr olds either, ragebaiting, or being autistic on here.
I like to put 1 or 2 of these in without any proliferate effects just to fuck with people. Really gets the blood flowing. Commanders for this experience?
>>96634392What's the wincon?
>>96634467again with the reddit lingo.you should go back, fagoot. think about it.
>>96634467They went to school during the pandemic. You can't really expect much from them.
>>96634486Long story short, I wanna drain people with Golbez if possible, but other drainers include Polluted Cistern, Pactdoll Terror, and I probably should include Syr Konrad and Dreadhound. I've never played a mill deck before so if there's more payoffs to milling that cause people to lose life, I'd love to hear about it
>>96634493The weird part is that they're uneducated but also seemingly extremely nonviolent
>>96634493Lmao they don't even know what a fucking filesystem is or how to navigate directories cuz they only use their phones/tablets. Life's gonna be real gd rough for them
>>96633694>> What if Time Spiral was shit?Amazing work.
>>96634429Wrong i make my gf play magic with me
>>96634496This only works when you mill your enemies, but it's an absolute slaughterbeast in combination with, say, mesmeric orb
>>96634524Oh boy, the weirdo “I totally have a hot 18 year old girlfriend guys, look how many posts I’ve made claiming it!” guy
>>96634527Oh yeah this goes infinite with Mindcrank, which I was also considering including. Maybe it's time I break out mine! Thank you, I forgot about this thing. Used to use it in Nekusar
https://moxfield.com/decks/LY69SiOO1Ui4sXAOJbuZywHow is the manabase? Is there a point running the two mana rocks at all?
>>96634499>ahaha i work on ITdamn you make all the girls wet
>>96634532>I totally have a hot 18 year old girlfriend guys, look how many posts I’ve made claiming ityes, you seem jelly.
>>96634532Its relevant to the conversation anon dont get needlessly angry
>>96634533Remember Golbez really likes Mana Rocks
>>96634581Yeah, these are the ones I have. I think I'm gonna cut Chrome Mox because of the non-artofact requirement and save it for a mono-color deck. Monolith works well with Forensic Gadgeteer which is both a creature and a great Token generator for this deck, also opens up infinite mana combos because of it. The two I use currently are Walking Ballista and Cyber-Controller
https://moxfield.com/decks/i7LPeve9zUu_7NJC8L_TCwFor my Sauron Deck, I want to lean more into Amassing and have the Nazgul play more frontline defense with their abilities. One person said to focus more on a better land ramp, and the other said to nix some creatures in favor of the Artifact ramp.
>>96634598>secret lair sloppaai caramba!!
>>96634624>No not the heckin productarino! ANARCHYRINO!
>>96634624Dan Frazier Arcane Signet is BASED and I will hear no dissenting ""opinion"" on it>>96634319I can agree with that, I'd love to get a couple of cool TNG reprints of existing cards rather than a set I'm likely to skip almost entirelyIn a couple hours when I'm home I'll be able to swap cards out.
>>96633127>alt artsI don't honestly care about alts, never have. They're whatever. When I have to make al in universe alt art because tge card doesn't have one, that's what pisses me off.
>>96633255This guy, but he's illegal cause people abuse his with wheels. I just wanted to make him with group draw stuff.
>>96634065poopdickschizo, plz go
>>96633694>white man badwoah who could have seem this coming, so out of left field
>>96633696>only example is anime cardClevage seems more abundant, even if not in contemporary sets.
>>96634676Schizo post
>>96634220>There's going to be universes within versions, right?That ship has long sailed. If they wanted to keep up with that they wouldn't have whole UB sets.
>>96634639What kind of landbase are you working with? If you're aiming for higher bracket, the fewer taplands, the better.
>>96634540>rocks>in a green enchantress deck
Shapeshifters should have "Changeling" per default.
>>96634720They used to do that with Walls and Defender, but it was considered harder to keep in mind so they cut it out>>96634709So right now, I only have 3 lands that default to tapped and one is a Shock
>>96634724>30 landsWhat the fuck
I played edh today and Im mad
>>96634741>I did magic thing and I am mad nowWater is wet
>>96634741But did you do things and draw cards?
>>96634724Ahh of course they did the "3 hard 5 you" asspull even now when they erratad over 100 or so cards to be Phyrexian I like that foil seventh edition island that has been absolutely loved and played
>>96634729Technically 31 with Sink, was considering adding Fell as well for a total of 32. My plan is for the deck to be pretty low cost, lots of my combos dont require more than a few mana to get going>>96634755It would be kinda cool, but I figure they think that linking keywords to creature types explicitly limits design space in a lot of ways. Defender being it's own keyword let them put it elsewhere and not on walls only, for example.And thank you, people in person always wanna see how it looks on both sides lmao
>>96633694Why is Jace evil?
>>96634781From fucking an evil woman for years.
>>96634770Btw your infinite mana combo can also make infinite treasures with Treasure Vault
Speaking of Jace, i love how consistently shit his flavor texts are.
>>96634813I can truly see how Jace is a 200 IQ mastermind. He saw that all the arrows in the circle pointed towards the center of the circle.MtG writing is legitimately Rick and Morty/BBC Sherlock-tier shit where everyone's supposed to be a 200 IQ mastermind but the average viewer can tell it's all asspulls because they act like a moron the whole time and the plot bends around them.
>>96634718Should I take them out? i use to have 2 more signets but I removed them because I already have cost reducing creatures, a few ramp spells, and a couple mana dorks ON TOP of enchantments that aren't particularly expensive. I already have a hunch that there's maybe too much ramp already, but I'm asking here to be sure.I'm not doubting you but I'm curious as to why enchantress decks don't want any mana rocks when they're in pretty much every other deck to some degree.
>>96634781Because he's a white man with personal goals.
>>96634781he plays blue
>>96634835You can use land enchantments that trigger enchantress stuff, and/or land ramp which will still in play qfter a boardwipe. There's really no reason to play rocks, especially with the addition of cost reduction stuff.
>>96634486I wanted to expand on this. The combos I currently have in the deck range from 2-4 cards.(Sac Outlet) + (Token Generator on Death) + Stridehangar goes infinite in generating tokens and either make Infinite Mana with KCI/Ashnod's, make an infinitely big Ravager/Train, or Surveil my entire deck with Zealot. Infinite mana pays off with Walking Ballista, Treasure Vault, and Cyber-Controller for either infinite damage, treasures, or Mill. This also can win if I add in Pactdoll or Konrad since thopters will be entering/dying. Rook Turret and Transplant Theorist will let me draw my entire deck there, too.Other combos can be stuff likeForensic Gadgeteer + Basalt Monolith + Cyber-Controller, Walking Ballista, Treasure VaultI also have Blue Urza, Three Steps Ahead, and Worldwalker Helm which can produce infinite copies/maps/mana for the same type of payoffs aboveBut the main combo that tickles my dickle isGolbez + Unshakable Tail, which is enhanced by Enhanced Surveillance to (as long as I dont brick), make tons of Clues and Surveil away a ton of my deck. Builds up lots of tokens for Broodstar, Juggernaut, and Etherium and tons of cards for Apocalypse Demon.
>>96634865And you're telling us this isn't enough?
>>966348884 card combos are frail and too weak for high bracket.
>>96634865If you're trying to mill yourself, where are your lab man and Thoracle?
>>96634865Other payoffs for infinitely cycling tokens can be Grinding Station or infinite mana into Whetstone.
>>96634865>retro frame Urzabased>not foilkys brownoid
>>96634926>falling for the foil meme
>>96634930>being poorcant relate
>>96634888It's not that it isnt "enough", it's more that it currently feels inconsistent. I may readd Eloise for another middle step token maker.>>96634902I do have a Thoracle, but in my head I was thinking about how I don't have any reanimation, milling myself into Dread Returning Thoracle could be fun. Hitting her on a Surveil is fine for Unshakable Tail.>>96634912You know, those are both pretty good ideas. I also need to include Altar of the Brood as another method, as well as Consuming Aberration for another fatty.>>96634926I may pick up the etched one someday, but this one was a gift so I use it>>96634930>he doesnt like cool foilsCring
>>96634932most foils are cheaper than non foils
>>96634944incorrect
>>96633822I got to play Blood Moon on turn 3 against a table of 3+ color commanders.Since my pod somehow hates basics it was quite a boring game for them.If I play monocolor, I intend to make everyone with more than one color suffer.
>>96634994
>>96635022Thank you.
Anyone here have any cool suggestions for a mono blue deck?
>>96634938Add in more tutors and narrow down the extra superfluous cards and get over whatever autism you have about winning faster.
>>96635040no but I got a couple for mono red.
>>96635040
>>96635059That seems fair, yeah. I appreciate the advice, I'll post my list when I get home and try to work out what I can cut>>96635040Douse. 2U enchantment that has 1U: Counter target Red spellI grabbed a copy from my LGS on thursday
Bros. I'm tired.
>>96635112Yeah UB fatigue affects us all. Even normies are 50-50 on it, they will all break eventually
>>96635119>UB is d-dyingWhich is why you feel a need to keep whining about it. Because it'll be gone super soon.Makes sense.
>>96635122nta but I think he meant that normies will dislike it eventually too, or come around to realise why it's soulless and bad, not that UB is going anywhere
>>96635122>UB is d-dyingDid I say that? Point me to where I said that. I said people are increasingly feeling UB fatigue, work on your reading comprehension.Magic sets are planned 2 years in advance, so we have 2-3 more years of it at minimum.
>>96635112Get some sleep, anon. Its 7am, cozy hours.
>UB fatigueDidn't FF sell a bajillion packs?
Genuine question from a scrub who has played a ton of bracket 2, has started carefuly reaching into bracket 3, but gets metaphysically curbstomped any time someone plays a braket 5 deck (even against my best bracket 3 deck).Unironically - how do bracket 5 matches go? Does everyone have a constant hand full of free cards with punishes, like "pay 2 life, counterspell", "cast this for free if you discard, destroy an artifact" etc? I cannot fathom how any cards I possess could deal with all the value and shit that bracket 4-5 has to offer, unless I somehow ramped harder than them (lmao as if, dude had like 13 lands out on turn 4), had a constant card draw, AND just so happened to hold the exact interaction needed to deal with him (and on top of that, how would I then be playing my own deck, going for my own win?)
>>96635137Brackets are for fags and trannies
>>96635133>wasn’t Avengers 1 a billion dollar movie??????
>>96635161Do you have a point?
>>96635170Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realise your IQ is lower than your resting heart rate. I’ll spell it out for you:>just because something is/was successful doesn’t mean people won’t grow tired of it
>>96635190Yeah that would not make sense as an argument. You are using the performance of marvel movies made years after. Final Fantasy was two months ago. You are arguing fatigue happened in two months and then compare it to a few movies (not even all marvel films) year later. These aren't the same.
>>96635197>you could not, in 2012 predict that Marvel movies would decline in popularity because it was too soon after Avengers 1 was successfulThat’s you right now
Did Spidey sold a bajillion packs? Will Avatar sells a bajillion packs too?
>>96635206Spider sitting lonely on the shelves right now and influencers are having to run defense for WotC to explain why pre-release flopped
>>96635206We have no evidence of spidey failing. You saying so is not evidence. You also are arguing that spidey being a garbage set with no commander decks has zero to do with it.
>>96635215>We have no evidence of spidey failing.>>96633376What's the next cope?
>>96635094How do you feel about Spiderman failing, UBpiggy
>>96635224His opinion is that spiderman isn't failing but just in case it is then it's cos no commander decks lmaooooo >>96635215>You also are arguing that spidey being a garbage set with no commander decks has zero to do with it.
Redchads, we are feasting this fall.
>>96635224I don't like Spiderman and don't think it fits magic so I'm actually happier if it isn't doing well so they may not do more sets like that in the future.
>>96635236>I don't like Spiderman and don't think it fits magicVery good try at fitting in tripfag, but "whether I personally like it" and "whether it fits in Magic" aren't the test for UB. UB is all or nothing. Either you completely reject it as a concept or for every 1 UB you personally approve there will be half a dozen that are completely retardedI seem to remember you're a FFfag so I assume you struggle with this
>>96635250Oh I'm definitely not all or nothing about it and never claimed to be. Franchises I like and give me similar vibes are fine, franchises I don't like or don't "feel" like they fit aren't. I absolutely went in on FF and thought it was great, but I also cringe looking at the spiderman cards.
>>96635040Eluge.
>>96635256>Franchises I like and give me similar vibes are fine, franchises I don't like or don't "feel" like they fit aren't.Yeah you're part of the problem, to no one's surprise
>>96635040Artifact cancer
>>96635267Well I'm just telling you I'm not trying to misrepresent myself, things like FF and D&D are cool, whereas Spiderman/Marvel aren't. I wasnt huge on Dr. Who either, but I enjoyed the Warhammer cards for their similarity to magic as well.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96635291Didn't ask
Amerifats are asleep, post good art
>>96635336It's 9AM in America though
>>96635374On a Sunday, anon
>>96635378Yes, they are in church right now, praying to the big jew fairy tale or something
>>96635379I think even the ones that worship jew-on-a-stick don't go to church anymore It's convenient that after millennia of tradition the almighty God decided he actually didn't care about Sunday worship right around the same time people became less attached to local communities
>>96635250I think this is the hardest part about convincing people UB is bad. One gets printed that they like, and it makes it very hard to criticize other ones, or at least ones with similarities to your own. Everyone wants a piece of their pie.Could you imagine if we went back to the days of the TWD Secret Lair shitshow and said that its success would lead to whole sets dedicated to fucking Marvel being printed? I'd sound Qanon tier deranged.
>>96635250What if I don't care about the art on the card and only give a shit about what the effect is?
>>96635336
>>96635399>>96635250Why is it that you have to be all or nothing with UB but you don't have to be all or nothing with UW like with Loot and hat sets?
>>96635406I'm not even sure how, honestly. Like, for example, Hot Dog Cart is actually perfect for my Golbez deck.>Mana Rock>3 drop for Simmy Synth>ETB effect>makes an additional artifactIt's beautiful... gorgeous even, but I literally can't stop cringing when I consider it being a fucking hot dog cart.
>>96635399Most people are completely unprincipled. Honestly it's one of the most depressing parts about getting into Magic, realizing that you share this hobby space with the most mindless consumerist retards the planet has to offer. The kind of people who would buy toilet-paper if it had Iron Man on it.>>96635406Then you are an insect. You have the mind and priorities of an insect. Unable to think ahead, to think of the future and the effect you have on it, you are driven by a set of impulses, mostly the impulse to consume.Also see pic related
>>96635411Easier to draw the line for one thing. Ask someone what a hat set is and you will find people trying to muddy the waters. At least I can say what is a Magic plane or character and what isn't
>>96635416can you stop reposting this? this isn't even a good argument
>>96635416The pic in question doesn't even relate to what I said though. I can hate the card art or character on it but if the effect is good and the card isn't just a reprint then I'll add it to a deck.
>>96635420I can see your point
>>96635424Squeeeee little piggy>>96635427>I can hate the card art or character on it but if the effect is good and the card isn't just a reprint then I'll add it to a deckYou are an insect man if you would watch Sesame Street instead of your favorite show as long as the plots are good. It fundamentally is not your favorite show anymore and you don't care because you never felt any attachment to the show you simply wanted to consume something
>>96635411Because magic has historically had shitty sets (mechanically, lorewise, and just aesthetically), but WotC has historically learned from them.Shifting the sole focus from just making sure the next set isn't Mercadian Masques tier terrible to ensuring firstly that your licensed products sell and secondly designing good in-universe stuff because "it'll still sell" makes bad sets more likely. This is exacerbated with the sheer amount of sets in total.
>>96635444>as long as the plots are goodyou're forming one of the worst arguments I've ever heard.
>>96635444I got into magic because I found the game fun and not because of the lore so if I think a card is a good add I'll add it to a deck. Also, make arguments like >>96635445>>96635420because they make clear and concise points and are actually right. I have zero idea what your argument actually is.
>>96635444You literally are so angry (I respect the passion) that you're arguing incorrectly. It's not that the "plots are good", it's more that you'd continue to watch a show you like even if 99% of the episode was them just holding up a picture of something ELSE you like and screaming "LOOK". "Good plot" in this analogy is something you and everyone SHOULD want.
>>96635453>oh boy I sure love Breaking Bad! The characters, the themes of legacy and masculinity, the thrilling world of organized crime!>tune in for a new season>shows previously on>shows the title sequence>first scene>it's Sesame Street>in this episode Elmo is learning to share >you, an insect: "wow this season is so good I sure love Breaking Bad!"You can't claim to have liked Breaking Bad if nothing about the show actually mattered to you other than how engaging you found it. If a well-written Sesame Street episode is acceptable to you as Breaking Bad, then yes, you are an insect and not a human. You never liked Breaking Bad.
>>96635476see >>96635469you're stupid.
>>96635479Your point is completely incomprehensible and the fact you're referring me to it as if it's a ringer is laughable
>>96635480The problem we're having here is that you aren't either educated enough, or you're far too angry to properly convey what you're trying to say. "Good plot" is something everyone should want, something engaging and gripping, so using it as if it were a bad thing is retarded. What you're TRYING to say, I think, is that UB is (in my much more intelligent comparison) more akin to your favorite characters on your favorite show simply holding up pictures of the things you like and saying "LOOKIE LOOKIE GIMME MONEY" and you clap your hands like a seal. The problem with you is that you have about 2 insults and not even that many braincells. You're right, but not for the reasons you THINK you are.
>>96635493>The problem we're having here is that you aren't either educated enough,Yeah I'm sure that's it. You got it anon>"Good plot" is something everyone should want,If you will accept a show you liked being completely replaced by something wearing its skin as long as the new episodes are engaging to you, then you can't claim to ever have enjoyed the show because nothing about its identity mattered to you. You would happily watch Elmo learning to spell and call it Breaking Bad as long as the title sequence is the same. That is an insectoid mindset
>>96635499I can't tell if you're being ironic because you literally just said it definitely isn't you being uneducated and then proved you can't even read/understand a paragraph.
>>96634220>There's going to be universes within version of those Playstation crossover cards, right?Maybe eventually, but the way they've made these ones accessible is the same way they've made the Sonic ones accessible, by distributing them to WPN stores for sale.
>>96635506You can't even begin to engage with what is being said to you yet you're calling other people uneducated.If you like episodes of Sesame Street, more power to you, but you have the mind of an insect if you would accept episodes of Sesame Street being aired as Breaking Bad just because you like them regardless.A real sentient human looks at that situation and thinks>man, I do like the plots of these Sesame Street episodes, but they're not Breaking Bad. It must suck for people who enjoyed Breaking Bad before all this, and even if I subjectively like this change I shouldn't impose it on others, especially when there was already a wealth of Sesame Street media I could have engaged with at any time without supplanting the Breaking Bad that other people enjoyBut, like I said: insect.
UB is a retard filter for faggots who are too stupid to play commander cube or PreDHthen again maybe it's a good thing the good formats are being gatekept from low IQ niggers, it's amusing to see you cry in these threads instead of moving on
>>96635531Very cool anon! Updoot!
>>96635522>uneducated anon continues to double downok
>>96635535>false sense of superiority anon continues to have no arguments and claim victory anywayok
>>96635567>it took him 8 minutes to say "no u"lmao
>>96635531cube just strikes me as really time consuming, and divisive. how do you know all the cards in the cube are to everyone playing's liking? timewise, it's superior to sit down with a deck you've already prepared, that contains what you like, to play at once against other people doing the same thing.I'm a big fan of drafting, but like 99% of people around me aren't sadly, so I genuinely wanna understand how cube works (for others).
>>96635532thanks! it is quite refreshing to not care about UB since I can play multiplayer formats where they aren't allowed instead of making a fool of myself in a mongolian basket weaving forum
>>96635578Haha you're so right anon! Relatable post!
>>96635572if you have friends, you can invite them to add cards from their own collection to make a collaborative cubealso it's not that time consuming to try out what works and what doesn't and make changes accordingly as drafting the same cards all the time might start to feel too samey after a while
>>96634130You are too far into your autism hole anon. This is gonna be a huge hit. I've already had more normie friends mention this to me
>tfw got a foil japanese teferi's protection for about the price of a regular japanese one>probably because had the note "not sure what asian language it is" and just wanted to get rid of it Lol nice.
is taking a picture of my paper deck and posting it here cool or cringe
I have an idea for a purely fun/rng deck, that would essentially be red + green + blueIt'd be about ramping really hard and then casting those big spells you don't see often, or spells with X for a big number. What would be a good commander in those colours?
What if we (yes, YOU and ME, anon) made Omenpaths-type reskins of all the UB cards that don't have any official ones? Use AI for the art or whatever, it won't fit into specific Magic planes but it can be generically fantasy since that seems to be preferable to people. I'm pretty good with one of those fake card making programs. Vote on names/theming as a community. We could feasibly do it. Give me any UB card and a piece of replacement art and I'll make one as an example.
>>96634652>Anon posts it againNo one cares dude lmao
Is this the strongest of the Playstation commanders, or am I biased because I hate blue artifact decks so fucking much?
>>96634987No... thats true.
>>96635416I love how this dipshit made an awful post months ago, screencapped himself, and spams it whenever he thinks its relevant. Fuck modern 4chan is a pathetic place
>>96635658
>>96635690I love how this dipshit seethes any time people explain why UB is negative for Magic as a game
>>96635570How about it takes me 50 mins to say it again?
>>96635416>see pic relatedI see that you're a weird retard. You know how imageboards are supposed to work, right? Lurk moar
>>96635731Have another one
>>96635735>STOP LIKING THINGSok
>>96635741
>>96635699
>>96634140>>96633263So is this deck just Sultai goodstuff with a commander that can swing a hammer to end the game? What's the strat here
>>96635735The saddest folder in the saddest computer of the saddest anonymous shitposter
I find EDH deckbuilding more fun than other formats deckbuilding
>>96635476This might be one of the most profoundly stupid posts in this place.
>>96635746I do agree that you are screaming "stop having fun" but not that there's anything wrong with what anyone here is enjoying.
>>96635578And yet here you are going out of your way to make a fool of yourself regardless.
>>96635767>>96635784Your words are the sweet sweet sounds of seethe
>>96635749Nice. (minus the AI art, but still)
>>96635652Very cool
>>96635720But the game is more fun than ever right now
I'm interested in playing every combination of the Last of Us commanders and I've never played the game or seen the show.
>>96635805>But the game is more fun than ever right nowAccording to who? You? Go watch your Sesame Street if you like it, but don't try to tell other people it's Breaking Bad
>>96635828What are you, 19? 20, tops?
>>96635835Unc finna molest someone for making fun of him lmaooo
>>96635652cringe if it has any UB cards in it, cool if it doesn't
>>96635773It obviously is better yeah, singleton is just conceptually superior to "get all these cards 4 time".
>>96635653Magus Lucea Kane, Maelstrom Wanderer, Animar are probably your top 3, though they're all pretty different decks: Kane cares about X-cost spells, Maelstrom Wanderer wants to cascade into cascade stuff, and Animar cares about X-cost creatures.
>>96635670Thanks for responding.
>>96635810Do you have plans for Abby? I love the idea of getting a fuck ton of tokens and giving away the commander but I’m not too sure where to take it other than sacking all the tokens to a life linked up Ellie.
So which UBs are confirmed now?
>>96635787>enjoying the corpse of a game good actually!
>>96635944>AAAA GAME DEADok
>>96635887Not really, and that's part of what sells me on her. It's unique and fun to brew around. My first thought is some janky build your own Prossh with theft or some removal, but I have no idea how that would work.
>>96635841Well my decks are 3 separate UB commander decks so I guess I'll refrain
>>96635892For Standard>unannounced nickelodeon set>marvel superheroes>the hobbit>star trekThrough Secret Lair releases>the office>jaws>furby>iron maiden>playstation
>>96635959Post anyway, anti-ub fags are nogames and never post decks
>>96635952>AAAAA SLOP TASTYok
>For The Hobbit we’re doing something we’ve never done before>We bought The One Ring off Post Malone for 5 million and we’ve seeded into collector boosters for The Hobbit.>Now YOU have the chance to pull the 1 of 1 ring this time around.
>your opponents are rat colony pile, hare apparent pile and a combo deckwhat do?
>>96635861Thanks, I realised those were the top contenders. Might go for Kane and lean into X-cost spells then, her and that bluegreen somethingsomething Scout dude sounds like a great combo.
>>96635749it's peak
>>96635997Your prolonged mental breakdown is funny and all, but can we actually get back to discussing edh? You can vent all of your frustration with the state of MtG in /mtg/.
I know watching people try to arrange blockers to save themselves when I'm on the final mode for Jetmir. I've had maybe two people in years of playing him actually manage to tank the attack.
>>96635800>>96636020hehe, thanks anons
EATER OF VIRTUE QUESTIONS!if I control a creature with, lets say no abilities. I cast a spell that grants it for instance FLYING, until end of turn. then I equip Eater of Virtue to it. then it dies. will Eater of Virtue be granting equipped creatures flying? or is it only inherent abilities on the card of the creature itself that count? follow-up, if the creature with Eater dies and gets exiled, and it's my commander and I put him in the command zone, does that still fulfill the contract of Eater so the ability goes on Eater? I feel like including Eater in my Cloud (upgraded precon) deck since it's a 1 mana 1 equip that has neat synergy with several cards in the deck, but it kinda depends on the answer to the questions above.
>>96635983But I love Dimir.
>>96636048sadly, no to both questions
>>96636048>As long as a card exiled with Eater of Virtue has flying, equipped creature has flying. The same is true for first strike, double strike, deathtouch, haste, hexproof, indestructible, lifelink, menace, protection, reach, trample, and vigilance.Think of the exiled cards as being physically underneath the Eater. Only what is actually on the cards under Eater matters, and if they are taken out from under it for some reason it can't see them anymore.
post decks
>>96636061>>96636062...so that's why the Eater goes for like 0,2 bucks. Thanks for your answers, bros.
>>96633127grim
>>96636022>Your prolonged mental breakdown is funny and all, but can we actually get back to discussing edh?I couldn't agree more, UB isn't Magic
>>96633148unironically doing gods work
>>96635981That's unbelievably bleak not gonna lie.
Pulled Mr. Negative on Fri, tried to throw together a decklist. Still very new to this. Anyone able to give feedback?https://moxfield.com/decks/X1dyPeJ3e0Kf-uSAJYjY_A
>>96636128>no reverse the sands
>>96635981To clarify, only Jaws and Playstation have mechanically unique cards (Jaws will be getting a reprint sometime next year in-universe, they confirmed as much, but Playstation's just getting distributed to WPN stores) of the Secret Lairs, so you can really ignore the rest.
>>96636135Worth the 8 mana here?
>>96636169>Jaws will be getting a reprint sometime next year in-universesure, Jan
>>96636175When they announced it at the panel they explicitly said that there was a place to reprint it in-universe in a set next year. The website also says this.
>>96636183oh sure, I totally believe you *wink*
>>96635828If games are fun people will play them. So it stands to reason if more people are playing more people are finding it fun.
>>96636193so do you not believe him when he says "this is on wizards' website," when he says that they're going to do it, or are you addressing him as if he is wizards saying they're going to do it?
>>96636198there are obviously collector, pride (as in the sin), and addiction elements to tcg players/collectors.if all that mattered was fun people would always buy the least expensive versions of cards, or run budget variants of several extremely expensive cards.
>build vampire deck>happen to meet a cute girl on soc who makes me call her mommy and has a vampire fixation shortly afterEdgarGODs stay winning.
>>96636212I am choosing to not take Wizards at their word based on prior experience with their many and varied lies.
>>96636233When they're this specific about something, they don't lie.
>>96636238but they're not specific at all>will appear in a future Magic releasethat's vague as hell
>>96636226It’s a tranny, friend
>>96636242Again, the panel where they revealed it was more specific, saying it was gonna be reprinted in a set next year.
>>96636221Not only does none of that follows logically but most players do build that way. And then if they find a deck they really like they will improve it visually. Taking pride in what you have is in fact not a sin (not that you care youre larping as a christian), we are in fact told the opposite, take pride in your work and make it the best you can.
>>96636247I'm quite certain it's not thankfully
>>96636221>if all that mattered was fun people would always buy the least expensive versions of cards, or run budget variants of several extremely expensive cards.Uh…I do that though. Only thing I can’t compromise on is the pre-2014 frames. I need a black border or I won’t play it
>>96636221I buy the cheapest version of cards I like
>>96635981>for standardThey know they're killing the game right? Like murdering it, splitting it open and shitting in its corpse. They think it's funny too.
>>96636365Not really, nobody cared about standard in years.My LGS doesn't even have events for it anymore but commander is by far the biggest game there.
>>96636365Except they arent but ok
>>96636392I understand the practical reality, but it's the symbolic action that matters here. Standard was the "official tournament format" that showcased new cards and showed wotc at least took itself seriously. What the sloppification of standard tells people is Seattle just doesn't give a fuck anymore. Just smash and grab, empty the vaults while burning the building to the ground.
>>96636405they are absolutely killing Standard
96636405Newfag or wotc employee
>>96635753Its really open and a struggle to build well, which I like.I tend to play a twiddle your thumbs control deck that can win with commander damageIve played as a stax, infect, a discard deck but Im really enjoying the enchantress/forced combat build I have going even if its a concept for a deck more than a fully realized buildI still have been able to sneak some wins with it
What mountain art looks the most like an island for Jaws?
Amadeus SL when?
There's a lot of different dysgenic breeds at the local game store, but one I've noticed with growing frequency is the... hick, I want to say? It's hard to describe. It's this person who just doesn't look like he belongs in Magic. They're all white and have the same lean face. They play with a general lack of understanding in the game, don't ask what cards do when they don't understand them, and when things go poorly (i.e. someone board wipes) they get frustrated.Anyone notice any specific LGS phenotypes?
>>96636295Worse yet, its a girl from /soc/>>96636365Just wait until 2029 for the angry beavers and regrets to rotate out bro
>>96636504I noticed a few very young kids at my commander night recently, not exactly a phenotype but it's cool that like 11 year olds are into playing something like this instead of just Roblox
>>96636447That's tough. Not many of them do. Here's some I found that look the closest.
>>96636554
>>96636562
>>96636568
>>96636447Couple of these bad boys
>>96636504>Anyone notice any specific LGS phenotypesA couple years ago I moved across state and found a new LGS. I swear to god for a moment I thought a guy I knew at the old LGS had somehow coincidentally moved with me>skinny>greasy black hair with slight curls>oversized T-shirt Looked identical from the back
>>96636065Recently made this Balthor deck, still has a couple of "proxies"...
>>96636504>city slicker dominated by the mere presence of a rural chad
>>96636447I nominate this mountain for being the most blue I could find.
>>96636447Volcanic Island, obviously.Jokes aside, most Mountains with a bit of water in them are most likely fresh water, unfortunately, but #488 from Modern Horizons 2, #107 from the Bob Ross Secret Lair, #108 from Assassin's Creed, or #177 from Portal: Three Kingdoms might be some of your best bets. #4 from Arena League 1996 is nice, but nobody's paying that per land. #196 from Hour of Devastation apparently has a lot of blood, but I don't think it's quite "shark in the water" blood.If you wanted to, and had amenable playgroups, you could flip it on its head and find the reddest, most mountain-looking Islands and Rule 0 them to be Mountains.
Not gonna lie i actually love this card, i wish it wasn't from a franchise i didn't care about.
>>96636623>find the reddest, most mountain-looking Islands and Rule 0 them to be Mountains.Honestly that sounds pretty fun. If they're cheap printings I could just go at them with a red sharpie.
>>96635674Haven't looked at the others, but artifactslop has always been strong, Simic speaks for itself, and it's a superior version of DRAW THING DO CARD, so yeah it's a hard Commander to fuck up.
>>96636647use that other anon's art swap, or just do one yourself with something that looks theros-y
So, this new World Champion card good in anything?
>>96635981>secret lair was massively popular >IP is popular among the troons and millenial manchildren that makeup 90% of the games paypiggiesIt's Spongebob. We're getting a full ass SpongeBob set.
>>96636688That's absurd wtf
>>96636692No, it's TMNT. Everything points to that.
>>96636692I believe the guests they have for the Comic Con panel imply that it's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
>>96636653Looking at Islands, it seems like there's a shark hidden in the rock in #260 from Amonkhet. #22 from the Jurassic World Collection is more of a Moasaur, but that's close. #449 from the Fortnite Secret Lair has a rock that looks even more like a shark.
>>96636700I'm thinking this one. Rock formation in the background passes for a mountain, and flavor is on point with a beach and wrecked boat.
>>96636447
>>96636712There's also a Jace you can imply gets eaten by a shark.
>>96636712You're gonna need a bigger boat, for sure.
Does anyone have the image of the Chaos Orb combo that makes your opponent rip up their entire deck if they don't concede?
>>96636724Always a bonus.
>>96636698>>96636699Spongebob is the Magic The Gathering of cartoons. It can have any amount of IPs in it too.
>>96634287I'm so bad at flipping coins that I just roll a die and say 1-3 is head and 4-6 is tails
What will new "wort" do?
>>96634248What colors would House MD be?
>>96635674Still can't believe they made her so much hotter than the actual game version.
>>96636776BR
>>96636776Esper.
>>96636776Mardu or Jund
>>96636647This may be one of, if not the only, mono color deck where you would want to play Forbidden Orchard.
>>96636801Massacre Girl Known Killer wants it too.
>>96636805That makes a lot of sense. I guess the OG one would want it too.
Is she viable as a commander or does the last half returning it to its owner kill it for anyone else?
>>96636934Everything is viable in this formatThe ub kills more of this card than anything
>>96634329PDH is waiting for you
>>96636782This.
>>96636688Goes straight into my Hearthhull lands deck.
>>96636593Gamble and Ruby Medallion are cheap, anon. You're not poor, are you?
Looking to cut the two UU counterspells from Breya to make the manabase a little more consistent, what would you guys suggest adding? I'm definitely onboard for An Offer You Can't Refuse but need one more.
>>96636392Last 2 years they started to, then that went down the toilet pretty quick on the announcement of UB standard legal sets.
>>96637222Spell Pierce
>>96635040No, but theres a dude in my city who wins every single cEDH tournament playing pic-related. Seriously, his tournament win rate with it is 100%.
>>96635040I play this guy, but I'll go thrpugh monoblue real quick and puck all the other interesting ones out.
>>96637281Sorry, forgot pic
>>96636934At least you get to draw a card on top of whatever other upsides to sacrificing creatures you'll have. And perhaps it'll make opponents less likely to dislike you and target you since they get their creature back.
>>96637222For me Stubborn Denial is a must have with any blue commander with 4+ power. Easily my favorite counterspell.
rip in pieces Kamiz.I never got you to work.
>>96637337Kamiz a better
>>96637410
>Inkshield is $10what the fuck happend?!
>>96637444Lot of people got it for Y'shtola
>>96637444>inkshield was a couple buck card>oh shit that's a funny fog. I'll buy a playset>shoots up to 13, sells 3 copies>gets reprinted back to 3 bucks a popbuy my playset backit seems it's time to sell again soon
>>96636688>creature tutor for 3That shit is gonna go to moon
>JotC destroys the game entirely to appeal to EDHsloppers>/edhg/ still entirely unrepentant while playing their slop
>>96635040All the cool ones I could find
>>96637596They did not, in fact, have to destroy every other format for commander. Standard did not need every UB set to be put in it forcing Wizards extend it to a three year rotation. Modern did not need to become Modern Horizons block constructed.
>>96637337He works well in the 99.
>>96635040You will be blown away by how much fun tech there is for this dude. It's a riot, no other mono blue deck comes close.
>>96635040For me it's this guy
>>96636600there are hicks who live in cities. in fact statistically most hicks live in cities
>>96636504 gay hicks with bad modern tattoos have been showing up at my lgs for a few years nowThey might be the worst kind of gamer
>>96637245>7 mana>dinosaur>blue>long term card advantage and protection vs instant card advantage and combat keywordsHes like opposite etali for long con instead of t1 combo
>>96637596Edh is a bottomfeeder format, if wotc wants to fuck up the ecosystem that's not our faultI LONG for the days where draft was the default fnm
>>96635749>>96635787>>96636020he named his OC "Orgy"
>>96637515>fauna shaman but slightly differentNo its not
why play mono color when you can indulge in patrician guilds?
>>96637923What if I don't like patrician guilds, I only like cringe ones.
>>96636447just run islands to tilt the table
>>96637747I built him in like 5 different ways. Unless you play in a bracket 1-2 maybe 3 at most group he just can't keep up. Unless you just ignore him and build a regular mono blue combo deck.
>>96637879based
>>96636688>creature tutor>discard "cost" (hint: the yard is a good place to be)It would be really good if the text stopped there>also can untap other permanents cause why notYes anon this will be good>>96637747Why does this card not just have wizard legend and instead have a special line about it
>>96637859I know that's what makes it peak
>>96638044That's how old legendary cards were formatted.
>>96636688>Discards something for Shifting Woodland>Untaps Gaea's Cradle/Nyxthos>Fetches whatever you needWell hello beautiful
>>96638044For a while Legend was a subtype and Legends had no other subtypes in the typeline. Then they added them to the typeline, and then made Legendary a supertype.
>>96636017fog on their turn cast insurrection on mine
>>96637638>Standard did not need every UB set to be put in it forcing Wizards extend it to a three year rotation. Modern did not need to become Modern Horizons block constructed.The issues with edhslopping is that JotC started printing cards with commander in mind in the standard sets as early as 2013 which overall had a negative impact on MTG. However, it was quite tame compared to what happened int he past 5 years. Cards designed to be overpowered for commander relative to the standards of the time were still in the sets. UB is slop and destroys the unique flavor the game held, especially before 2003 when they started to make their cards look like pokemon cards instead of magic cards. However, it does very little that wasn't already being done in the name of commander in all the expansions. UB slop is just an second way to appeal to EDHsloppers. Selling the horizons sets was just another way to grab cash of course as Hasbro's other ventures are failing and MTG is the only thing keeping them afloat.
Every card should be banned.
>my edh crew is slowly moving to board game crew>maybe play one round of edh while people are still showing up/eating>board games are more fun>have more fun playing edh as a side eventThe game might be dying but I think the player base is healing
>>96638198correct. magic is a terrible game.
>>96633694That's the most Jace thing possible
i can't wait for loot to save the day in reality fracture
>>96638263https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Loot_Niptilpre-revision chuds...
>>96638327>fandomvomit
>>96637906>fauna shamanit's on ETB which makes a huge difference, no need to slap haste on it.
>>96638263He will come to realise that he is merely a copy created by Bolas to be an In Universe version of Pikachu, who he has to fight to death with and horrifically lose
>>96637906exquisite bait
>>96637747I wonder how Wizards are counting. I bet they also need to use their fingers
>>96638440>>96638387If ypu play it. You have played a fauna shaman, with one activation even the cost is the same.
>>96638471are you retarded?
>>96638429It would be pretty embarrassing to lose in a fight to someone getting their ass pounded by 60 tons of cock.
>>96638471Are you by chance a Hearthstone fan
>>96637879Love that fat fuck
>>96637879Forgot the deck, silly me
Your blue decks should run this, bluebros
>>96638503We play magic, what do you think?
The polycule is collapsing. Who do you think will replace them?
>>96638585me, i'll be spiriting him away to be my selesnya boywife
>>96638557>3 mana for stormMake it 1 and I will
Stax is good and healthy for the game. A 3ball keeps everyone honest and Rule of Law enforces playing magic just like Richard Garfield intended.
>>96638585about someone started exposing these angleshooting bad actors. these self certified "deck doctors" are about as reliable as an unlicenced chiropractor. your pic rel for example was taking out 2 cmc manarocks from viewer submitted decks and replacing them with 5+ cmc spells
>>96638557I am bro. nothing better than someone before you slamming their commander only for me to frogify it AND another commander
>>96638585stax makes me sad and cry ;-; let me do the thing
>>96638648what
What the fuck happened to TCGplayer? Shops are selling commons/uncommons with market prices of pennies for 70 cents, now?? Every shop I've looking at is exactly the same. It wasn't like this earlier this year when I built my last deck
>>96638741tariffs
Need some advice. I'm finally caving to peer pressure and moving from 60 card formats to commander. I was planning on buying a precon, and really liked the look of the starter commander deck grave danger, and the midnight hunt commander deck undead unleashed. Both of these are very similar to my go to mono black zombie 60 card deck. I looked up the decklists and could not for the life of me figure out why I should buy the more expensive undead unleashed deck over the cheaper grave danger one. Yes, the undead deck has a better mana base, but the deck seems all over the place. I know that Wilhelt is a popular commander, but it doesn't really seem to fit that well with the rest of the cards in the deck. Grave danger just seems way more cohesive and consistent. Am I missing something???
>>96638918the price of a precon has little to do with how good they areIt's about what demand for them was like, how long ago they were made, and the size of the print runJust get the one you want
>>96638918Wilhelt is a much better commander than Gisa and Jerry, that's the long and the short of italso a zombie deck is piss easy to build from the ground up, I wouldn't even bother with a precon
>>96638585I stopped watching the furry fag months ago. Whats the tl;dw?
>>96638955Yeah, I totally get what you're saying. It only takes the inclusion of a single card that is highly coveted in another format to cause prices of a deck to spike. My main question was regarding which deck is going to be consistently more competitive. The grave danger deck looks relatively simple to pilot, and the game plan is easy to understand. The undead unleashed, on the other hand, seems like a hot mess of ideas. I can't figure out what its trying to accomplish. The game plan just seems so unfocused. This is despite the fact that both decks are U/B, zombies, and share a lot of cards. nxthh
>>96638967I get that Wilhelt is a good commander, but it doesn't seem to be very well suited to the precon that it comes in. Gisa's ability of graveyard recursion just seems to fit better with the cards included in the grave danger deck.
>>96638918For what it's worth my brother plays Grave Danger against me fairly frequently and it's a pretty fun deck by precon standards
>>96638967Also, side note. I know that singles are the best way of getting the cards you want, but for $20 bucks, it seems like a much more convenient and cheaper way of building the base of a zombie edh deck. Getting the singles I want is also a bit of a pain where I live because the selection isn't that great.
>>96639006Is your deck a precon too, or one that you.have built yourself? Also, how competitive is the grave danger deck against yours? Does he get thrashed in every match?
>>96639024I've played a couple of different precons against his, one selesnya one that I got as a gift and a couple of the FF ones. It can hold its own just fine in my experience, and is fairly easy to pilot from what I can tell which helps because he's new to the game. People say newer precons are better and they're not wrong but if you just want to make zombies and bash with em you'll be satisfied with it, and G&G are a good general purpose zombie commander anyway
>>96638918Its a complete non sequitur, but the mishra precon looks extremely fun. It also has great upgrade paths with stuff like wurmcoil and scrap trawler. I watched someone playing the stock precon and making copies of Ichor and Mycosynth Wellspring and it looked like a blast.
what are we angry about today? furby? spider-man? office? black Aragorn
>>96639072Thanks for the reply. I'd heard that the FF decks were pretty strong, and that one even has a infinite combo, so it's interesting to hear that the starter precon can still compete against them.
>>96639080I did actually consider the two brothers war precons, but they're getting a lot harder to come by at a reasonable price nowadays.
Reminder that wotc receives $0 from the secondary market, so if you only buy singles and are complaining about wotc doing stuff you don't like, you don't exist to wotc.
>>96639120this is false.
>>96639126Can you tell me where wotc makes money off of the secondary market?
>>96639090The same shit as every other day>furby?No they're based>spider-man?Yeah it's shit>office?Nah SLD collectors arts are fine>black AragornOnly dumbasses
>>96639129When the scalpers who buy solely to open and resell stuff buy the initial product from them. No secondary market=no initial sales.Also you're silly if you think people who work in hasbro don't abuse their knowledge with the secondary market in the same way congress does with stocks.
>>96638918I suggest building a 100 card version of your favorite 60 card deck.
>>96639090Yep, a pox upon them all.
>>96635040She has always overperformed for me
>>96639168That was my initial plan. My current 60 card deck is a jank zombie deck which uses triskaidekaphobia, lots of undying zombies, zombie lords, and token generators like ghoulish procession. The closest thing I could find that seemed consistent, fit the theme, and was easy to gather the necessary cards for was the grave danger and undead unleashed precons.
>>96639129>I don't understand how demand works: the postI knew you were stupid but holy shit
>>96639194I am very tempted to build her recently. Any suggestions from your list?
>>96639232They sell sealed product to people, who then open it for resale on the secondary market or for use in decks. Wotc doesn't see a penny of that secondary market value. All they do is sell sealed product.
>>96637747>kinda-Karakas in the command zoneHoly shit this must be AWFUL to play against. Full stax/control has to be a brutal experience
I made 2 spider man decks
>>96639312That's like saying farmers don't profit from people buying food because they sell to supermarkets.The demand of the end user is what matters; the existence of the secondary market drives sales of sealed product, because people know they can sell their excess onto the secondary market (or buy sealed explicitly to sell it to the secondary market at a markup).
>>96639328You're conflating value with revenue; the existence of a secondary market absolutely adds value to the consumer, but it does not generate revenue for wotc.
>>96639351I already explained to you how value for the customer drives sales. The mere existence of scalpers should be enough for you to understand this. If you don't, there is simply no hope for you and your time would be better spent picking berries and scrawling on cave walls.
>>96639308Lifeline is a must.But the gameplan is pretty simple, just abuse clones and cards like blade of selves to steal high value creatures.Run a lot of low to the ground counter magic to stop cards like rest in piece from fucking your gameplan.Wizard tribal toolbox with wizardcycling cards is also not a bad idea. Clones can double up as bodies for wizards if your main gameplan is being hated out.
>>96639364This is a bad model for the types of people who open sealed product. The majority of customers are not buying sealed product with intent to resell or even open and resell, and this was not true even before many LGSs implemented customer buying limits with the goal of reducing scalping.
>>96639369Thanks anon. Love the wizard package idea, been looking for a home for it already so this may be the one.
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>>96639369Wait what? This reanimates all my creatures every turn? That's insane wtf
>>96639446it also reanimates everyone ELSE'S creatures, which is why it needs something like keiga to ensure you're getting the most value out of it
