Previous Thread: >>96633114>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQWhat's the most fun precon you've played?
>>96639434>What's the most fun precon you've played?Omo is best precon
>>96639434The only precon I've played was a beginners 60card deck a decade ago. I've built all my own decks since then
>>96639412Mistcaller can turn lifeline off for other players if you do decide to put the wizard package in and is a generally a pretty funny hate piece that will neuter certain decks unexpectedly.>>96639446its symmetrical.
>>96639457based! based! you're so fuckin cool!
>>96639463But it says "from your graveyard", that should mean others can't actually use the effect.
Most fun precon for me was probably Hobbits, honestly. Hitting people with a 35/35 Fat Fuck never got old.
>>96639472https://scryfall.com/card/usg/299/lifelineReading the card does not explain the card.
>>96639482Man I hate erratas
>>96639472You should always read the updated/erata oracle text
>>96639500Honestly feel like they should have to make a reprint if they wanna update cards, it's not right that they just expect you to look every old card online to see what it does.
Finally got around to taking a picture of my Kefka deck. It's even got a handful of UW cards! Post yours, or give me suggestions, or bitch about >UB
OOOOOCEAN MANTAKE ME BY THE HANDLEAD ME TO THE LAND THAT YOU UNDERSTAND
>>96639536Nigga proxied the sol ring
>>96639546supremely based
>>96639536>Kefka, Dancing Mad
>>96639540THE VOYAGE TO THE CORNER OF THE GLOBEIS A REAL TRIP
>>96639472Lifeline uniquely was printed wrong in the first place. Notice the first half refers to any graveyard, the second half erroneously uses "your" graveyard. The errata matches the intended effect, it's not a power level patch or anything, Magic (almost) never does that
>>96639434>TQHenry Clavil is based. Go wide with vampires, get aggressive, then turn them into flying beatsticks. 4/3 flying is the perfect threat size for commander, the tokens feel so good to beat face with. The precon itself I kept only changing 10 cards until last week, I finally decided to alter it.
>>96639612this guy is severely underrated
>>96639612He's pretty kino in Edgar decks too with all the tokens they generate.
>>96639536It's an ok deck
Does this guy have any place outside of cedh
>>96639742heckin fleemarino!
I don't want to succumb to ub, but if they make a Sentry card I'm going to have to build it....
>>96639787TF2 set when?
FUCK YEAH!
>>96639798I mean the capeshit one
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96639818Oh...Superman with agoraphobia
>>96639536my favorite deck
>>96639554The way the table absolutely loses its collective mind when dancing mad hits the field is just magnificent. Absolute chaos
>>96639852He's just like me....
>>96639836Got the list up online anywhere? I tried to build this as some kind of weird morph midrange-y deck and it never felt good to play. Think I need to go all in on comboslop
>Gaea's CradleMy nigga. I wish I had one in English though.
>all those Sony lairsAre these going to all be exclusives? Because holy shit.>5 exclusives per>7 drops>35 new unique cards that sell out in 1 hour and can never be obtained again
>>96639934Fuck, meant to >>96639836
>>96639946You know you can buy an entire drop for $10 from any chink seller, right? Ron, BL, USea, etc always have SLD stuff within a few weeks of release.
>>96640004Irrelevant point.
>>96640004>wow dudde did you know you can not get them but get fakes???What an insightful post.
>>96639449are precons even good?most seem to be missing a good mana base and don't really look like they would hold their own against other decks in a pod unless everyone is playing precons
>playing umbris>cast picrel>cast rite of consumption>copy it with mirari and then copy it with twincast>kill everyone with lifedrain>NOOOOOOOOOOO THATS JUST TORMENT OF HAILFIRE WITH MORE STEPS
>>96639434I’ve turned my Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer deck into a horror show by adding four cards that enable creatures to be played with flash.The latest Ugin has only made matters worse. Play a morph for free, exile a nonland permanent at instant speed.
>>96640028>>96640038So it's not about playing the cards, but rather because you want """official cardboard"""? Do you evem understand how fucked up that sounds?
>>96640061Precons are alright, but you're right that they're always missing key components. Most notably they always lack fetch and shock lands, the "core" cards to a gimmick (e.g. the Eldrazi decks don't come with all the titans), and so on.
>>96640072But anon, what about the shareholder value?
>>96639434This deck has been the most fun I've had in Magic in a while.
Why aren't all the fetch, shock, dual, etc lands just reprinted like crazy in every set? Why do they have to be so expensive?
>>96640072>you want to own actual gamepieces? what the FUCK???Are you autistic? Not ironic, but that's a real question.
>>96640096WOTC intentionally doesn't reprint the good shit in any meaningful quantity because it instills a fierce case of FOMO in people. Ancient Tomb is an excellent example of this. >EoE brings in a new print>mythic rarity lmao
>>96640103I dunno man. I thought the point of the game was to get some cards and play. Whether those cards are """official""" or not means little to me. Perhaps you are the autistic one for having an extreme case of brand loyalty.
>>96640103Are you? Why the hell does it matter if ur little tin shoe in monopoly was cast in the factory or in your back garden? The game is what matters, and if the play pieces look the same there isn't any difference.
>>96640110This would make sense if shocks were expensive and not like 8 dollars
>>96640117>no uok
>>96640096they want to leverage fetches to get people to chase expensive packsshocks have pretty decent reprint equity
>>96640110I pulled THREE ancient tombs. the $400 galaxy foil, the non-foil version and the other planet art. Two of them were from boosters at drafts, and one from a collector box.
>>96640080>they're always missing key components. >Most notably they always lack fetch and shock landsdo you genuinely consider this core elements to a deck lol
>>96640136yes
>>96640136they're the core components to making a good three-color landbase
>>96640122Shocks get reprints fairly often, but fetches don't. All we get these days are mega gimped "basic lands only lol" fetches.
>>96640142Not really
>>96640136Uh yes? Shocks and fetches should be in pretty much any deck.
None of my 3 color decks use shocks or fetches
>>96640150Yes, really. You can get away without them and have an "ok" landbase but they're easily the most important components for taking it from just ok to good.
>>96640164Nah.
>>96640110I think keeping the original power 9 on the reserved list makes sense. They just break the game BUT the dual lands are in serious need of a reprint.
>>96640150Yes they areThe only reason not to include them is being poor
>>96640170This but demonic tutor in black
>>96640159>surveil lands>scry lands>fast lands>checklands
>>96640136Pretty much all commanders are multicolour, so fetch and dual lands are necessary to allow the decks to play more consistently, and not slow the game down to a crawl.
>>96640169God I wish that they had made snow duals in the OG commander sets. Yeah it would've made them fucking impossible to get ahold of if they didn't print enough of them, but it'd also have set a precedent that expensive duals can go on commander precons really early on.Why the battlebond duals aren't in every commander precon still baffles me.
>>96640169They will NEVER reprint them. Getting access to two colors on demand with no strings attached is bonkers good. Shocks are a close second because 2 life is a pittance in commander. I'd also argue bond lands are pretty good too, though their condition can fuck you if you draw them later on.
>>96640170No, it's also to be based. I have a WUBRG deck with all basics, and I run non-basic hate. >NOOOOOOOO MASS LAND DENIAL IS TIER 4>But I'm not denying you land, all good deck builders have basics lol
>>96640150How do you suggest one makes a consistent three, four, or five colour deck with only basic lands?
>>96640173Checklands unironically benefit from having shocks in your deck. Since in a 3 color deck, if you have one shock out, it turns on all three of your checklands. It's a minor advantage to be sure, but it does exist.
>>96640169>>96640179>>96640180>Tropical IsleIsland ForestYou cannot have a land named 'Tropical Island' in your deck. When this land enters, put the top card of your library on the bottom of your deck without looking at it.
>>96640184>he doesn't have the heart of the cardsJoking aside, the best way to do a cheap deck is to load it up with those poorfag versions (the ones you can't fetch since they don't have land types on them) of the triomes that you can get for like 25 cents. I know a ton of precons had them.
>>96640180 I agree that having access to two colours is powerful, but it does not break the game. The current varieties of dual colour lands just slow the game down. I think the triomes, and other 3 colour lands should have some sort of down side, but duals could quite easily be reintroduced into the game without breaking the meta.
>>96640140get better at building>>96640142don't need them if you build a deck correctly (actually thinking about curve and lean)>>96640151every deck with dimir should run thoracle consultation.i bet yall are also the types who run <36 lands and then act like flood is worse than screw in a format where you have an 8th card that's always castable.
>>96640177>he thinks trying to be the fastest is the way you win edh gamesyou need less ramp if you play less commander tax from all those rakes you walk into
>>96640212But why would you think/plan when you can just solve your problems with shocks/fetches?>>96640210WOTC has set the precedent that any 2+ color land MUST have a drawback to it. Shocks just get the distinction of the most easily ignored drawback.
>>96640188are there non shock duals that have the basic land type on their type line?guess at that point just use triomes?
>>96640212> don't need them if you build a deck correctly (actually thinking about curve and lean)If you only build mono colour decks, sure. However, for multicolour decks, basic lands just don't cut it. You lose all consistency. The game becomes more about luck than skill.
>>96640212>every deck should run thoracleI'm sorry man, you don't have a soul. So I can't even be mad at this take. To use such a boring, overpowered, and overdone combo in a format that is antithetical to competition with it's four player free for all casual format design just reeks of desperation to win, or a robotic indifference to social etiquette.
>>96640120There is a difference, the one made by the billion dollar corporation is significantly worse somehow
>>96640184Just because a deck's color identity is 5c doesn't mean you need 20% of each color pip in your overall spread. Lost on people who treat decks as just good stuff piles of each included color, I know. You build with an idea of your curve and color lean.
>>96640233fuck, surveil lands too I forgot
>>96640221There is a difference between intentionally slowing down the game using tempo versus having the game slowed because you can't draw the right land.
>>96640065My opinion on this post will entirely depend on if you used several tutors to set that up or if you just got lucky and drew them naturally. Tutoring out a multi-card combo is cringe as fuck
>>96640184>Only basic landsNo one said this you retard
>>96640235You have a free mulligan, you are genuinely just bad if you can't figure this shit out.
>>96639468weird reaction to an extremely mundane comment
Surveil lands are better than shocksJust Saiyan
>>96640237Yeah I'm calling fetch users soulless m8.
>>96640258Welcome to /edhg/
>>96640245I can draw the right lands in 3 color basics only. Usually because I don't need all 3 of my colors early game to function because I don't build decks that instantly fold to not having my commander. Later that I need all 3 of my colors the more time I have to find my colors. It's that simple.
>>96640252tap lands are won't solve the problem of consistency either though, and still slows the game. The point is, there is no harm in reprinting duals except for weirdos like yourself who want to make the game unnecessarily more shonky.
>>96640258The internet is a magical place where people will get really mad at you and try to correct you for being wrong when you say "I haven't seen X before"
>>96640281>all non-shocks are tap landsOk I'm not going to bother with your retarded ass
>>96640065>copy it with mirariInstantly based
>>96640288He's unironically suggesting reprinting the og duals, how did it take you this long to figure out that it's a shitpost
>>96640280Do you want a medal? Bravo. Would you not want to have duals, shocks, and fetch lands in your deck if they were available?
>>96640233Surveils, tangos, and bicycles. And the dual snows from Kaldheim.
>>96640292why is reprinting the og duals such a bad idea? i don't see how it would negatively affect the game
>>96640247this is the only tutor I run>>96640289I also have chainer in my umbris deck, it's a 'dementia' caster deck.
>xhe pays 5 life to cast thoughtsieze on turn 1
>>96640259Surveils are better early gameShocks are better once you want to actually start casting thingsbut you should have both if you're running fetches
>>96640180battlebond lands would be a good compromise, and allow everyone access to duals without having to sell a kidney
>>96640292Why not just ban the dual lands? Haha. Imagine the death threats.
>>96640306FRIEZA NO YAMATE
>>96640296I'm mad as fuck that babies running efficient mana bases cried hard enough to get non-basic land hate effectively banned. I don't want those cards in my deck because I want to farm free wins by punishing lazy deckbuilders.
Cecil or Mr. Negative as commander? I've got both a need somewhere to put all my strong black pay life cards.
>>96640303I mean, technically it would limit their creativity when it came to making new types of dual lands, but at the same time we already have more than enough types of dual lands so there wouldn't be much harm in not getting a new type of dual land every other set (Especially when they have a bad habit of leaving cycles of them half finished for literal years)I doubt many people would be all that mad if they just picked like, 10 specific cycles of rare duals and the common/uncommon tap duals and only ever printed those again on rotation, with maybe a couple extras appearing in non-standard sets
>>96640318>reprint the power 9 and the rest of the list in mass quantities>ban them in every format>said reprints are indistinguishable from the originals
>>96640318Better yet. Proxy them. Sit back and watch everyone else seethe.
>>96640326Mr. Negative isn't shit and is more unique. So, that
>>96640326>1 mana commanderbut why
>>96640304>I also have chainer in my umbris deck, it's a 'dementia' caster deck.Holy fucking basedMy Chainer deck runs Mirari and all the various Consume Spirit and Corrupt effects, it's fucking great
>>96640329Hell, I wouldn't even mind if they reprinted the entire reserved list and gave all the cards a different card back or silver border. I just wouldn't want them to be as stupidly expensive as the magic 30th boosters. I think most people just want to be able to play with the old cards in their home games, but not necessarily have them fuck up standard or other formats.
They should just make 'new' power 9 cards. Weftwalking is a good timetwister already. >Neo Mox Onyx0t: add B, this can only be used to cast spells with mana cost 6, or spells that cost life.
>>96640355capable nine
>>96640334I feel like he'll rarely hit the board at seven mana. The ability puts a target on your back and it just takes one person holding a counterspell for everyone to be able to focus on killing you without much risk.>>96640338Get him out and get aggro. Lose life, dig with the two necros, two citadels, and ad naus until finding a payoff like Negative.
>>96640312there are like a billion dual lands in all colors, anon.
>>96640306god I wish that was me
I want to build around this guy, or maybe put him in 4 color or 5 color with all the exalted cards. Anyone else do it? I already have a bant EDH deck (Jenara wall deck) and I don't want duplicates until I have one EDH deck of each color combo.
>>96640380Yes, but most of those come in tapped. Battlebond lands are functionally the same as the og dual lands (except they can't be fetched). Outside of EDH, they are no different to regular tap lands.
>>96640390Is that really so much of a problem?
>>96640394nta but yes, enormouslyuntapped lands are hugely superior to tapped lands, and they'll only get more so as the power keeps on creeping
>>96640394It's a huge difference.>I need 4 mana>instant lands get me 4 mana in 4 turns>tap lands get me 4 mana in 8 turns
>>96640324Price of Progress is technically not classed as Mass Land Denial
Anyone got any recommendations for a fun artifact-themed commander?I want to play with small cheap artifacts. Thopters, powerstones, servos, that kind of thing. Not really wanting to go full combo or solitaire, but something that lets me play with a lot of pieces either through making a big board or generating a shitload of mana to burn people to death.Going for the tinkering feel if that makes sense.
>>96640388babby's first Voltron
Is it worth spending the extra money to buy the anime version of Omniscience?
>>96640405im not going to wait for them to amass 15 nonbasic lands. their punishment must be more severe.
>>96640408What is daddy's voltron?
>>96640400>>96640404Yes but the thing I'm trying to say is it's not a BAD thing that most duals are tapped. It's supposed to be a drawback to their power level, and why the Shocks, Fetches, etc are supposed to be considered better. I'm not arguing that tapped aren't worse, they objectively are, but I'm calling that a good thing. We also just got Verges, stop being stinky.
>>96640434Anon were you paying attention? The conversation isn't "there aren't enough untapped duals", it's "untapped duals are way too expensive as compared to their utility and versatility"
>>96640422Vaevictis Asmadi
>>96640407probably a different vibe than you're looking for, but i like playing alela with a bunch of cheap artifacts and artifact discounters
>>96640407the OG
>>96640443gezuntheit
>>96640439Their utility and versatility perfectly captures their value barring the OG Duals which are expensive for both being the best lands ever made AND being ancient.
>>96640460City of brass is a good example of what a mana fixing land should be. It doesn't come in tapped, and can make any colour, but you pay 1 life each time you do this.
>>96640467And that land exists already
Ban it.
>>96640482Kek
>>96640460Dual lands are for the rich and those who have been playing forever, as it should be.
Ban it
>>96639612Auto include in Edgar. I wish he had red, I'd replace Markov with him in a heartbeat.
>>96640028>>96640038>no I don't just want to play the game I have to have my heckin resale value too waaaahhhhI'm so glad WOTC is killing the game and power creeping the fuck out of cards so all your "investments" tank
>>96640487>rebalances grixis and nerfs thoracle without banning it entirelyhaha so funny!!!!! kill yourself. i wasn't fucking joking. ban it.
>>96640488If you're referring to the OG Duals, I unironically agree. For others, there's tons of options already without shitting on the legacy of the OG.>>96640500>AAAAAA STOP BUYING THE CARDS FOR THE GAMENo thanks
>>966404828 mana
>every deck with blue is a thoracle deck>every deck with black is a thoracle deck>every deck with red is an underworld breach deckfun format
>>96640510i hate this meme more than "dies to removal". there are thousands of cards that let you cheat it out sooner. fuck you
>>96640445I like this art
>>96640510you mean 1 mana and 8 life
>>96640510>implying games don't last 8+ turns or the green player doesn't have this much mana reliably turn 4
When is the next commander update?
>>96640136>do you consider actually being able to play your cards a core element to a deck?Goddamn there's been some MASSIVE retards in the last few threads. Way above average retarded. Did one of you get laid off or a redditfugee that just found the thread or something? Why the sudden uptick of genuine retardation?
>>96639612The alt commander is better (actually I hate it, it's horrifyingly opressive).
>>96640525I don't think you understand how convoke works
>>96640159Same. Why pay for shit like that in a casual format? My only fetch I pulled from MH3 prerelease, and it is a deck that has both of the colors.
>>96640388I did it. He's totally outclassed by newer cards. If you want Exalted voltron run Xenk. If you want aura voltron run Uril.
>>96640536He didn't say that
>>96640547Yes (You) did. Maybe you're too stupid to even understand what you're saying but that's what your words meant dumbfuck. Again, wherever you came from for the last few threads, please kindly fuck off because you are genuinely annoying and dumb.
>>96640543This mono white is stronger than bant? Really?
>>96640552Words have meanings and the words typed by that person are not the ones you are stating were said. You can act as much like an epic 4channer as you'd like but it won't change the fact that not using shocks doesn't mean you can't play cards.Why are you so retarded you think you CANNOT PLAY ANY SPELLS unless you had a shock?
>>96640556>Why are you so retarded you think you CANNOT PLAY ANY SPELLS unless you had a shock?i just opened this thread and i have no idea what you guys are talking about but even i can tell that this is absurdly uncharitable. you're smart enough to know that can't possibly be what he's actually saying
Would/have you ever spent a dumb amount on a promo version of a commander that had a much cheaper alternative version?
>>96640554He's pulling your leg
>>966405108 mana
>>96640567my commander is the only card i buy special printings of, the rest of the deck gets the normal shit versions
>>96640567Yes, but only cause the cheap one wasn't available and I didn't pay attention to my order. Otherwise no.I don't even buy cards at all anyone.
>>96640576>has swords for arms>somehow makes pacts and is a huge threat
>>96640576Grizzy B probably isn't even that good in a world where fast mana's mostly banned
>>96640586FREE HIM
>>96640586>old RC bans griselbrand because he "takes advantage of the higher life totals of commander">doesn't ban rhystic study for taking advantage of the higher number of spells cast of commanderthe old RC deserved everything they got last year
>>96640576You need flicker/reanimate effects for broodlord to be good, really. The convoke is cool but you basically have the same thing in red for 2 mana. Griselbrand is incredible just by itself, no help needed.
>>96640598I'm not arguing either are comparable.But "IT'S 8 MANA" is a shit excuse.
>>96640598>You need flicker/reanimate effects for broodlord to be good, really.ummm... anon, you just hoarding broodlord into saw in half, saw in half the hoarding broodlord to make two more of them into your two card combo to win. even if you can't cast it that turn, even if the broodlords die, the spells in exile are castable for the rest of the game
>>96640597>>old RC bans griselbrand because he "takes advantage of the higher life totals of commander"So they'd ban Mister Negative?
>>96639434>TQI've bought 7 amd none were very fun. Exit from Exile was alright enought to turn into a Rocco Street Chef deck, though, and he's super fun.Who wins in my pod of gruul decks?
>>96640608no they wouldn't ban anything actually because they didn't actually care about the health of the format. they were terrified of upsetting casual players so the most they would ever do was something called a "signpost ban" which was supposed to signal to the playerbase that they didn't approve of a certain playstyle
>>96640606God I hate combofags
Which one should i build?
>>96640576bro can't even hold cards in his hand how is he supposed to draw 7
>>96640638Tellah.I built Palamecia and he's strong but unfun to play. Definition of "take it apart after one night" for me
>Just play bad cards broI hate faggots like this
commanders for this feel? i'm thinking Grist
I thought Blame Game would be really fun but in practice it was awful
>>96640672Jin Gitaxis
>>96640676i don't think monoblue is a good fit for zerg i'm gonna be totally honest with you pal
>>96640638Option 3.
>>96640672sliver queen
>>96640683I don't know what a zerg is. You posted a picture.
>>96640672Any sliver commanderslivers are just zerg with no legs
>>96640674>set-exclusive mechanic>sometimes draw one card and your opponent does too>none of the alt commanders have any synergy with the main one>deck has no main wincon, just sort of goad, then a bunch of other random crap
>>96640684Why?
>>96640702i said "commanders for this feel", literally why the fuck would you respond if you didn't know what the picture was
>>96640660Edgar markov is not the only vampire commander! Play vampire grixis!
>>96640702autism moment
>>96640672If you are okay with UB, the the tyrannid warhammer deck.Otherwise just look up legendary phyrexians.
>>96640567I bought the surge foil Terra Branford while Urza is still fairly cheap
>28 dollarswhy
>>96640723black spiderman
>>96640729huh?
>>96640723it's like craterhoof behemoth
>>96640708Number go up. Emperor and Tellah make the number stop going up pitifully soon, but with Shantotto you're only limited by how much mana you can make. Rocks pump her, rituals pump here, treasure makers pump her, and with every one she draws you a card to make sure the chain doesn't end. By the time you run out of gas she's an unblockable 40/4 and you just hope you dug deep enough to fling or ignition her.
>>96640732same problem that sephiroth had where the people buying it aren't even magic players, they're collectors for that franchise
>>96640723>no omenpaths version
>>96640742i hate spiderman so much but somehow i hate having to pretend like "omenpaths" is a real set even more
>>96640723Because it just came out so the prerelease hype is still there. Give it another 2 weeks or so, prices will fall like they always do
>>96640742wtf I thought omenpaths was 1:1 with spiderman
>>96640747that is the dropped price.Also no other card is this expensive besides soul stone and you can't even use this in standard
>>96640749>>96640742It's 1:1 with the main set. Arena doesn't get the Spider-Man: Eternal cards.
>>96640755Ceci n’est pas une Magique
>>96640771I don't speak Canadian
>>96640771and a hon hon and escargot to you
>>96640638>>96640684I built all three of these.Emporer is a self-mill spellslinger deck that aims to play a patient game. Traumatize is your best card and will win you the game almost all of the time. Tellah is Polymorph.dec but with Control Magic like effects to serve as my removal. Every key piece becomes a draw spell. I run only Jin the Chin, Purphoros, Ovika, Tidebreaker Horror and Tidespout Tyrant.Shantotto is a voltron deck that aims to one-shot people out of nowhere. Makes heavy use of evasion, trample, extra combats, and time warp effects.All of them love mana rocks, and there's like 7 or so 4cmc ones, even more in 5cmc+. They actually make play patterns way easier because of this luxury.
>>96640606If someone has 12 mana to blow on setup, the game should've been over for the last several turns. Actual skill issue.
>>96640751It's been 3 days. That is not the dropped price. Do you have any idea how many $30+ cards dropped to sub-5 after 2+ weeks?
>>96640672how about a reaper feel
>>96640784Do you have a decklist for Shantotto or Tellah somewhere? I'm interested in what you cooked up.
>swordtard>UBpiggies>Dark Souls customfagChoose 2 to leave forever but the one that stays posts twice as much
>>96640795I imagine it'd look way better shrunk down to card size, but man the blurriness of the image ruins it
>>96640834>Stays>Leave forever I can't stand the defense squad>>>>/ccg/ forever
>>96640834I'll take swordtard and dark souls fag at double if it means ridding us of UBpiggies.
>>96640834does UBpiggies mean the people screeching about UB also go away?
post more custom proxies
>>96640852Yes and then we can FINALLY go back to bitching about real subjects, like whether Mill/Infect are good or bad, and basics costing 5 whole cents
people think infect is good?
>>96640852If it was widely accepted that UB is bad for Magic, it wouldn’t need to be commented on so much. The problem is UBpiggies go absolutely rabid defending UB instead of just fucking off to redditWithout them discourse would be>””Another fucking Marvel slop set”>”Yup. Lorwyn looks good though”End scene
>>96640855We'd go back to retards asking us to rank guilds from most to least tranny
>>96640860Why would anyone leave because you didn't want them around?
>>96640860But anon, it isn't. >if everyone agreed with me, our conversations would amount to 2 sentences
>>96640863No no no, you should leave because you don’t belong here. I don’t want you around because you don’t belong here. See there’s an extra step in there? Now off you go >>>/reddit/>>96640874We can and do disagree about absolutely everything else. We should not need to go back and forth about UB constantly, but we do because there are people who don’t belong here that genuinely feel compelled to consoom and they express their shame for doing so by lashing out at people who have impulse control
>>96640880Why would someone think you are the arbiter of who belongs or doesn't belong here? How even old are you? 24?
>>96640880>genuinely feel compelled to consoom and they express their shame for doing so by lashing out at people who have impulse controlwhat an incredible strawman you made up to be mad at
>>96640860>If it was widely accepted that UB is bad for Magic, it wouldn’t need to be commented on so much.This is probably the place where that position is most widely accepted and we still have 8-10 people every thread virtue signaling about it, so I don't think this is an accurate read on how people behave.
>>96640834How come you're not on the list?
>>96640834Anti-UBfags/pol/tards
>>96640880>there are people who don’t belong here that genuinely feel compelled to consoom and they express their shame for doing so by lashing out at people who have impulse controljfc dude actually grow up lmao it's a silly trading card game not a religion imagine thinking anyone does or should feel bad for playing a card that has character from ip #3494373 instead of ip #3494372 what an absolute zero perspective neckbeard take
>>96640885I don’t make the rules bub, the culture of the site you come from is incompatible with the culture of this site. This is evidenced by the fact you constantly find yourself having screaming tantrums because anons here have different views to the redditors you prefer>>96640887No straw here, just months of observing these people Only a few threads ago one of them showed his hand and indicated that he loves UB because it’s the only thing that gives him “childlike joy” anymore and he can’t understand why other people don’t feel the same way as himBroken man children, all there is to it
>>96640901you're pretty weird, huh?
>>96640853Proxy for Bigger on the Inside. Uses the leyline of vitality art
>>96640899>should feel bad for playing a card that has character from ip #3494373 instead of ip #3494372 >SCRIMBLO MY BRIMBLO!!!!!!Keep forcing that meme, I’m coming round on it.If you want Final Fantaslop or whatever the fuck else, you could have it literally any time without dragging it into a different game and imposing it on people who don’t want it.This has been discussed to death
>>96640901>some anon's post from days ago still ringing around in his headhit pretty close to home, it would seem
>>96640907I'm retarded
>>96640901>bubMOOOOODS! HE SAID A WOLVERINE LINE! BAN HIM FOR CROSSING OVER IPS!
>>96640909>imposing it on people who don’t want it.But anon, I didn't. I discuss cards that exist in our game, Magic the Gathering.>>96640901genuinely mentally ill take
>>96640910>states summation of UBpiggies>”that’s just a strawman!!!!”>no it’s based on the things they’ve said, like this [example]>”heh you remember things people have said to you? Guess I win!!!!”Impeccable
>>96640909the cards in someone else's deck are there to impose upon you actually, thats the whole game
>>96640901>screaming tantrums because anons here have different viewsAre you so detached from reality you don't realize this is what you're doing or is it just innately how you interact with the world?
>>96640909i dont care about what the art on a card is because im not an infant>the art on my trading card game isnt what i want! this is srs bsns these problems matter!
>>96640909I am glad Scrimblo Brimblo lives rent free in your headSCRIMBLO BRIMBLO 4 LIFE
>>96640853Sure
>>96640918Oh the game is “completely erase everything that made Magic Magic to make more than half of all sets ads on cardboard for IPs that already have their own products and media”? I’ve been playing wrong all along
>>96640916you really think you're doing something here huh
>>96640920>it’s just le art!!!!!!Okay, then the tv shows you like are just pictures on a screen with noise. It shouldn’t bother you if your favorite show is completely replaced with something else, right? After all youre still getting pictures and noise, what’s the difference?
Thoughts on xmage?
>>96640860>implyingNigger we had a retard having a fucking full-blown mental breakdown about Lorwyn Eclipse not looking like he expected and being UB-fied just this week. Same thing happened with Tarkir and Aetherdrift earlier this year too.
>>96640920>people who have feelings are INFANTSanti-UBfag is one of the dumbest posters in these threads and you guys still managed to dig lower than him every time
>>96640880>Scrimblo Scramblo the son of mpreg Gay Bolas and Ugin Thundercock good>UB badlolPeople like different things, fuck off.
>>96640853Don't have a good name for this one but:>2W >Enchantment>Land cards in graveyards can't enter the battlefieldWe're well overdue for a land recursion hoser, like a third of the decks I face on the reg are looping various fetches via any number of "play lands from yard" effects.
>>96640924the gameplay made magic magic. If you love magic not for its gameplay but some fucking novels from 94 then you don't belong here.LEAVE!!!!!!11NOW!!!!!!22
>>96640929He probably IS that retard, you understand
>>96640936lol it’s just struck me that you try to turn this place into reddit to suit your tastes in the same way you try to ruin Magic with UB just because you never liked Magic to begin withI wonder what shit you’re ruining in your personal life just because you’re completely incapable of understanding that people who don’t have the same thoughts as you don’t want you around
>>96640940Yea I realised as soon as I hit enter kek, the lack of self-awareness of this autist is something else.
>>96640939Getting a lot of use out of this one lately
>>96640944Anon, no one here thinks no one disagrees with them. What you're not getting is that your opinion is far from any kind of majority or authority, but you present yourself with some kind of royal we and huge projections/insults as if you're gonna drive anyone away because they don't mind a picture of Tidus on a card.
>>96640938>We're well overdue for a land recursion hoserRest in peace is 2 mana and hoses ALL recursion, not just lands; why would anyone pay 3 for a much more limited version of it?
>>96640954Getting a lot of use out of this one lately
The funny part is: It's not like UB is taking from in-universe sets. We've gotten three in-universe sets for a long time now. UB is purely gravy.
>>96640954>look mom i posted my terrible, incorrect take AGAIN!!!This is embarrassing. I wonder how many times you've posted this lame attempt at autofellatio.
>>96640944>lol it’s just struck me that you try to turn this place into redditIt's so fucking funny how reddit is your guys' boogeyman. I remember when it was gaiaonline and tumblr 10-20 years ago
>>96640938Already exists.
>>96640961>>96640961NOOO LOOK!!! >>96640954ILL POST IT AGAIN!!! YOU'LL SEE, I'LL CROP IT BY 1 PIXEL AND POST AGAIN TO PROVE YOU'RE LITERALLY RAPING ME
>>96640963You'd think it would have changed to twitter or tiktok or something.
>>96640962It bothers you that every bad argument you are capable of coming up with has already been pre-empted, and that's okay
>>96640969Oh good idea, tiktok is the perfect nu-boogeyman for these people
>>96640968
>>96640970Could you at least try being RIGHT at least?
>>96640969Depends on the board but all of them are some mentally ill faggot's boogeyman, which is hilarious tribalism since most people use multiple platforms and 4chan has been normalfag territory since Obama.
>>96640976there is no "right" here, some people like UB and some people don't.
>>96640961Riiiiight because the number of sets per year only increased to accommodate UB right? If UB didn't exist we wouldn't have so many sets! It's nothing at all to do with Hasbro's corporate greed!Funny thing is, even if you were right it'd still be bad because there's way too many sets per year and it's having a detrimental effect on quality control>>96640968>I POSTED IN ALL CAPS SO THAT MAKES YOU SILLYDoes it though?
>>96640961There are more UB sets than magic sets coming out in 2026, anonUB very much is taking time, resources and design space away from magic sets. To say nothing of the other problems resulting from releasing so many sets a year.
>>96640982Yeah you'd love the destruction of the leading card game for 3 decades to be subjective lmaoYou already had media for the IPs you enjoy, why can't you just be content with that instead of demanding that the things other people enjoy be infected for your own pleasure?
>>96640989No one did this to you dude
>>96640956>What you're not getting is that your opinion is far from any kind of majority or authority,The majority of people are completely mindless insects, true. I don't think this is the argument you think it is
Is she a viable mono-red commander or should I just rule-0 one of her dozens of planeswalker iterations (probably one that gives an emblem)?
>>96640986MTG had more stinker sets with the block model than it does now with almost double production per year, purely because the planes have always been pretty narratively shallow and R&D had trouble tying mechanics to the plane.
>>96640991>X isn't happening>X is happening but that doesn't mean Y will happen>Y is happening and that's a good thing>You are immoral for opposing Z
>>96640989>the destruction of the leading card game for 3 decadesnothing's happened>>96640992>I'M the genius>I'M the one who isn't the insect>I spent 24 hours a day crying on a monogolian basket weaving forum about UB and I'M the one who is the humanyou have genuine, unironic brain damage or some kind of autism. get yourself checked and actually tell your doctor the truth about how you spend your days.
>>96640995>MTG had more stinker sets with the block model than it does now with almost double production per year,Completely subjective>Assassin's Creed>Spider-Flop>Nadu>ViviAll happened during WotC's massive ramp in set production. Hmmmmm
>>96640989It's not being destroyed, its just changing. I know this might look the same but with the exception of Standard, MTG's in an increasingly better place.
>>96640998>complete nonanswerwhy even type that?
>>96640989>DON'T YUCK MY YUM WITH YOUR YUCKY YUM!!!kek
>>96640989Meds
>me when I see the wrong scrimblo brimblo on my card
>>96641000>nothing's happenedSee >>96640998Also arguing that I spend too much time here voicing my opinions doesn't really mean much when you're here doing the exact same thing. Oh you can exaggerate about how much time I spend here if it makes you feel better, go ahead and insist that everyone who agrees with me actually is me while you're at it, but you can't accuse anyone of that which you are already guilty of~
>>96641004>It's not being destroyed, its just changing>Rome isn't being sacked, it's just changing
>>96641013>Also arguing that I spend too much time here voicing my opinions doesn't really mean much when you're here doing the exact same thing.the difference being that 5-10 people are spending a half hour prodding the retard (you) and you are spending six hours responding to being prodded. keep it up though, it's pretty entertaining.
>>96641013>but you can't accuse anyone of that which you are already guilty ofOkay, then yes it's mostly you, you rabid schizophrenic. Constantly posting screenshots of your own retarded, poorly thought-out posts, citing yourself, arguing all day almost every single day. See, I can accuse you because I don't bother doing that.
>>96641012>IM SICK AND TIRED OF THE PALESTINIANS COMPLAINING THAT THEY'RE IN THE WRONG SCRIMBLO BRIMBLO! IT'S TIME FOR THE TWO SCRIMBLO SOLUTION!!!!
https://moxfield.com/decks/gN5UkPbYzkCbxSa3NoaEMAJudge my deck it needs some work I'm thinking of throwing in Teferis protection and deflecting swat and replacing the profane tutor with demonic tutor and adding more self mill with a crucible of worlds to hit land drops but overall it's been running fine I just want it to be more mean
>he thinks it's just one person calling him out for being a hypocritical spasticMan, card game fans really do live up to their stereotypes, huh?
>>96641020>>96641021>joke about what you will make up to defend your own egos>you actually do itCome on guysssssYou're both exaggerating how much time I spend here and assuming that I'm the only one making these posts. I'm only here on the shitter before and after work. But you're desperate to feel like you're the in-group so you have to assert that I am isolated and unreasonable to make your own position more secure. So textbook it's unreal
>>96641026He's mentally unwell, or maybe a better way to put it would be a true fanatic
>>96641025idk but the flavor is cool
>>96641031You've got a pretty consistent typing style, not at all hard to pick out. I would petition Hiro to add board IDs but I'm pretty sure the inmates run the asylum here wrt mods
I'm actually getting second hand embarrassment for the way someone I don't agree with can run rings around multiple anons and predict everything they're going to sayCan you retards rep our side better please?
>>96641038>board idsSite should just have accounts
>>96641031>desperate to feel like the in-groupanon, pro or indifferent to UB IS the in-group. literally everywhere.
>>96641041No, thread IDs are more than sufficient to keep these sorts of sockpuppeters in check, and accounts aren't a sufficient barrier for state-level actors; it'd just be an inconvenience for posting
>>96641004It is changing for the worseIt's getting to the point where UB is actively becoming a problem for core mechanics of the game- nosewater is pushing to get rid of the legend rule entirely due to it being problematic in conjunction with the absurd numbers of legendary creature releases.
>>96641038>>96641041>you're crazy for saying we're redditors who want this site to be more like reddit>but also please make this site more like reddit!
>>96641025Based Terrabro.Add Worldfire (especially if you'll add Teferi's Protection) and Toralf (for nuking tokenfags with Blasphemous Act).
>>96641045>nosewater is pushing to get rid of the legend rule entirelywho said this? who TOLD YOU THIS?
>>96641045>nosewater is pushing to get rid of the legend rule entirely due to it being problematic in conjunction with the absurd numbers of legendary creature releases.wasn't this that olive faggot, and it was based on standard not commander?
>>96641044>thread IDs are more than sufficient to keep these sorts of sockpuppeters in checkThat'd be you UBpiggies sunk then, wouldn't it?
I LOVE BOARDWIPES SO MUCH PLEASE WIPE THE BOARD AGAIIN SO NOBODY CAN HAVE A NONLAND PERMANENT FOR MORE THAN 2 TURNS I LOVE WHEN MY COMMANDER GAMES TAKE 4 HOURS BECAUSE EVERYONE PACKS 10 BOARDWIPES IN THEIR DECKS
>>96641046Ironically if it was reddit then you could ban users for talking about UB and actually have this cultivated community you want. Instead of sharing the place with a majority that finds you annoying.
>>96641053Boardwipe UBpiggies
>>96641052Yeah, it'd sink us. You should petition Hiroshimoot for thread IDs on /tg/. You'd own us so hard.
>>96641049>>96641051https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/151785251108/ive-been-saying-that-legendary-being-strictly
>>96641053*settles ur wreckage*
Just got back from the lgs. There was an older guy there, probably gen X age. He bought a whole booster box of spiderslop. I kept looking up across the room and seeing him laugh as he opened up each pack, gobbling it all up. He pulled an extended art Behold the Sinister Six and started baseding out. I was so mad that I could barely concentrate on my game. Finally he comes over after wiping up all the wrapper jizz and wanders over to watch my game> are you guys playing commander?> I used to play mtg back in revised with my sister> Im so glad that they printed spiderslop because I hecking love capeslop> I seen every spider slop filmFinally when I missed a trigger on my Rhystic Study and Smothering tithe because this UB boomer wouldn't shut the fuck up so I stood up and told him that hes a piggy who's ruining the game. Everyone at my table was so glad that paypig finally left
>>96641054If it was reddit, there'd be more redditors. Redditors love UB because they have poor impulse control and are compelled to consume to fill a void in themselves
>>96641053I run 7 board wipes>NOOOO IT'LL TAKE TOO LOOOONGNot if you concede. I'm a control deck. Deal with it.
>>96641062>UB boomer wouldn't shut the fuck up so I stood up and told him that hes a piggy who's ruining the game. Everyone at my table was so glad that paypig finally leftThis is based actually
>>96641048Totaf is actually a good idea and yeah world fire with Tp is pretty mean but awesome
>>96641053Okay fine if you insist I'll just run 1 boardwipe
>>96640089I absolutely hate this shit. Land sacrifice strategies used to mean something and were very exciting: you sac a land to get a benefit now, but you better make it count then and there or your ass done in future turns. Now saccing a land isn't even a drawback, it's all gravy, especially with your picretarded
>>96641064I've been to reddit and here. The UB hate is basically identical. You'd honestly fit in fine there as long as you managed not to call everyone a troon
>>96641048>Based Terrabro.>I need to virtue signal that I think UB is good so instead of just responding like normal I will go out of may way to say playing UB is based and you're a bro!!!!!How is this any better than anti-UB?
>>96641072>I've been to reddit and here.God I wish this site would permaban anyone with reddit cookies
>>96641077because UB stands for UBased
>>96641065>how to never get invited back to play
>>96641083UltraBad actually>>96641085>he has to be invited to play
>>96641053>PLEASE WIPE THE BOARD AGAIIN SO NOBODY CAN HAVE A NONLAND PERMANENT> NonlandLolLmao even
>>96641085Not everyone has this autistic hate of control.
>>96641058>MaRo is destroying the game and ever wants to scrap the Legend rule>NO HE DOESNT! UGH YOU ANTI-UB PEOPLE ARE THE WORST!!!!!! JUST MAKING THINGS UP!!!!!>link>silenceLmao gottem
>>96641092Bro everyone agrees Nosewater is ruining the game
Favorite Spider-Man commander?
>>96641095>everyone agrees Nosewater is ruining the gameExcept ITT apparently
>>96641092No one said ANY of that tho. I genuinely needed a source because that sounded fucking crazy, good to know Nosewater is just as nuts as always.
>>96641100No UB today, thank you. Or tomorrow, or the day after...or ever, actually!
>>96641077You're reading too much into it friend, I'm indifferent towards UB. I will use any card as long as the effect is good and fun and it works for my deck.That Terra card just so happens to be an excellent commander in that it allows you to make a pretty consistent deck by virtue of her effects' interactions, I would still like and use it if it were UW or from a UB franchise I know nothing about like Fallout or Furby. Here's another Terra for your troubles, since she caught your attention so much. ;-]
>>96641107>I will use any card as long as the effect is goodI N S E C T
>>96641106Too bad anon. You're gonna taste my VENOOOOOOOM
>>96641100Gwenom and the octopus lady are pretty bonkers. The first one is Bolas's Citadel in the Command Zone and the latter is fucking monoblue Jhoira.
>>96641100nope, there are others I like more than that
>>96641113>UBpiggies are not imposing anything on you!
>>96641110I genuinely like that because of this post, you're allied with Swordfag of all people.
>>96641118I SAID KNOCK KNOCK LET THE DEVIL IN
>>96641122Swordtard is the epitome of playing anything of its good. He talks shit about not being interested in Spider-Man but give it 2 months tops and he’ll be posting lists with Spider-Slop cardsHe has no principles, he is one of the most rampant consumers ITT
>>96641110>Nooo you don't understand!!! Game mechanics don't matter!!! Only that Scrimblo Brimblo is in the card art instead of Negro Aragorn!!!!Sounds to me like you're the bug here mate.>stop ruining MY game REEEEEECope, seethe, dilate, etc.
>>96641130I had to check my sources before I doubled down, but this post feels like it disagrees with you>>96635413
UB is pretty much here to stay whether we like it or not. The real end goal to all this is outliving the hype until normies get sick of it, and the game shrinks back to the old gatekeeping days. Based on what wizards announced these past few days. I give the game another 2 years before it crashes and burns out. The absolute worst case scenario is giving up and magic turns into bullshit pokemon investorbro slop. But complaining about it isn't gonna change Hasbro's mind after all the money FF made.
>>96641138they'll just sell off the property
>>96641132You mock being discerning and selective. Your position is literally that nothing matters to you except advantage. It’s the most soulless insectoid position imaginable and youre going to have a difficult time flipping it on anyone else
>>96641143>Your position is literally that nothing matters to you except advantage.The mindset of success
>>96641143Anon, being all or nothing with 0 room for nuance is a bug perspective. No thoughts, only bzzzz.
>>96641136>don’t trust swordtard’s words, wait to see his actions>”well here’s his words!!!”I swear to god the collective IQ of this thread is room temp at best
>>96641130>Swordtard is the epitome of playing anything of its good. He talks shit about not being interested in Spider-Man but give it 2 months tops and he’ll be posting lists with Spider-Slop cardsThere is not a good card in the set albeit
>>96641145Insects exist on almost every continent in the world in literally millions of forms, so I guess in that sense they are successful, yes.>>96641147>being all or nothing with 0 room for nuance is a bug perspectiveLmao I appreciate your creativity but you’re still not going to be able to flip it.There is no room for nuance with insects. Like ants. Either you are completely eradicated or you infest our homes. There is no world in which you can have a little sugar and fuck off, you will always multiply and look for more to consume
>>96641159Imagine actually interacting at the lgs with this individual
>>96641155You keep misusing “albeit” and it’s really annoying me. You did it a few threads ago too. It doesn’t go on the end of sentences. It’s like ending a sentence with “although”
>>96641162It's a meme you dip!
>>96641161>imagine bzzzzzing at the hive with this insecticidepilled sugarcel
>>96641077I worry for the people in your life
>>96641161there is a low chance this guy is welcome at many stores in his area
>>96641162Its an /int/ meme, fren
>>96641165Kek at least this anon knows you can’t compete with funny Pro-UB anons are so angry all the time
>>96641136This is a post about his UB commander though
>>96641167Nah, I genuinely believe he's allowed at all of his local stores and regularly plays. Thing is, he acts NORMAL there and saves his ramblings for here.
>>96641172you didn't read the post, huh? this was about how "not using anything because it's good" puts him in the same boat as sword given the post I linked from last thread where he doesn't disregard the art/concept fully despite a card being good for a deck.
>>96641113CMC 4 Golgari commander 4/4 with a 3 cost ability at instant speed. best case scenario for this commander is a turn 3 16/16? But path to exile says otherwise into the bin it goes.
>>96641171>so angryCase in point:>>96641166>>96641167>>96641174They can’t actually undermine what I say so they have to resort to talking amongst themselves and creating elaborate fictions about how I’m the sort of person whose opinion shouldn’t matter. Probably samefagging too
>>96641174I'm of two minds about this, honestly. If true:>it's good this guy has enough social awareness to be normal in front of other living beings>it's clear this guy understands that his positions are not on such irrefutable ground that he can defend them without blowing his stack and getting banned from the storeAnd the cost of that is that we get it with both barrels because the man is clearly unhinged about UB. It sucks to be a target of his screeds but I guess I'd rather random internet schmucks get yelled at than a person in real life.
>>96641183Anon I literally disagreed with them and said you aren't weird in real life but instead save your rantings for here.
>>96641183But I already bootysmacked you the other day anon. Youre simply delusional.
>>96641185>the man is clearly unhinged about UB. If you could refute my points you would, instead of replying to yourself about why you shouldn’t have to refute what I say~
>>96641195>DEBATE ME!
>>96641188>the other dayWere you the one that masturbates in his dead sisters room?
398 days until Star Trek.
>>96641195Your points are grounded in "I don't like the way UB looks", which isn't something that can be refuted because it's already subjective to begin with. The problem arises - has arisen multiple times in these threads - because you conflate your subjective taste in art with some objective metric.
>>96641198That was me, actually
>have to replace soulful cards to actually have a way to win
>>96641205>he can't win with sovlskill issue
>>96641197Oh I’ve already seen the points you can come up with. The fact that I already know what your arguments are and how to undermine them is why you resort to samefagging to yourself about how I’m crazy and lazy and my points are all hazy- any reason you can come up with to excuse yourself from having to defend your position really
Damn we did get some gay fan service at least on a halfway decent card
Any Star Trek fans in the thread wanna voice their opinions/concerns now that it's a thing in magic?
>>96641207>I like thing>Clearly isn't "killing magic" due to magic doing just fine>I do not buy thing if it doesn't interest me (Avatar, Spiderman, Aetherdrift, Strixhaven)What is there to even refute or get mad about here?
Playing in a group with somewhat optimized decks (Krenko, Kenrith, Eldrazi, Atraxa, Yuriko, etc), but not crazy cEDH stuff. Should I go full Inalla combo, or make it mainly wizard tribal burn with maybe a good combo here and there (less tutors, ofc)?
>>96641213what's the difference between optimized decks and cEDH?
>>96641213Krenko and Yuriko are very difficult to build in such a way that there isn't a hard clock on every game, so I would build something that goes fast.
>>96641211>Any Star Trek fans in the thread wanna voice their opinions/concerns now that it's a thing in magic?Will they give Data human creature typing? Literally the only thing about the set that matters
>>96641202>Your points are grounded in "I don't like the way UB looks",Now THAT’S a strawman.My points are entirely grounded in the fact that 1. UB is bad for the game as a whole (inb4 “muh kabillionjillion dollars!!!!! So many new players, more than I could ever have played with in the first place so I’m really not sure why I’m trying to argue this as a positive in the first place!!!!!”2. You already had every opportunity to enjoy the IPs you enjoy elsewhere, it isn’t right for you to autism-smush them into Magic if other people don’t want you to (inb4 “everyone loves FF though a kajillionbazillion dollars!!!!!”)>>96641204Oh hi, how’re you going? Sister still dead?>>96641212See first reply
>>96641211>magic set>of a setting with literally 0 magicA new peak for the mountain range of retardation
>>96641213Combos are gay and wizard tribal burn sounds more fun.
>>96641211I really hope we get Galaxy Quest variants for the TOS crew
>>96641220>Oh hi, how’re you going? Sister still dead?Obviously.
>>96641225Ah that sucks
>>96641224it's gonna be a SLD and you know it
>>96641220>UB is bad for the game as a wholeI don't really agree, you actually have to back up blanket statements like that>you could enjoy it elsewhereI can and I did>you autism-smush them into magicBut I... didn't? I'm not R&D, anon.>HURRR MONEY NUMBERI'm not gonna defend it with "kabillion dollars", but dismissing it out of hand is sorta silly
>>96641221>zero magic>star trekQ, the travellers, that one old guy who committed omnicide in TNG, the paa wraiths, crusher's ghost lover, the fucking leprechaun>>96641230you know what? they got me if so.
>>96641220Why is UB bad for the game as a whole
>>96641238Because it just IS, OK??
>>96641235My inner trekkie got me too. I would laugh my ass off everytime I played Worf as a commander.
>>96641216like 1k usd on averageshit like mox diamond and best in slot tutors>>96641217yeah, those are the ones that make me want to pull my combo as fast as possible (including the 25 step infinite combo that requires Inalla in the command zone, spellseeker and 2UB)>>96641222I love combos and my other deck is midrange counters, so both full combo and burn feel different and I am not sure how much I can keep it a bit combo-ish while also being able to win with ETB effects/burn/hasted copies/effect multiplication.
>>96641234>you actually have to back up blanket statements like thatOh look, I have an image for that.>>you autism-smush them into magic>But I... didn't? I'm not R&D, anonVoting with your wallet.>I'm not gonna defend it with "kabillion dollars", but dismissing it out of hand is sorta sillyWhat's silly about it? Why do I need to address that the company is making money? Is that a good thing? Inherently? Was Hasbro going bankrupt before now? Was Magic at risk of getting axed?Or are you saying big number good because people must like what Hasbro is doing? How would those things be connected at all? Apple is a wildly successful company, but I think even among Apple product consumers you'd find that the consensus is the company stopped being innovative a long time ago and just started pushing out a new phone every year with very slight changes- some of which people didn't even like, such as removing the audio portWhat does the fact people buy it have to do with it's quality and whether it is good?>>96641238Pic>>96641239Does it anger you that every point you think you have has already been addressed a long time ago?
>>96641235Literally none of those are magic in star trek
>Budget list <$50>Go to put it together >best price is $130 before shipping
>>96641254Your argument for why it is bad for magic is "I dislike it"?
>>96641258>Your argument for why it is bad for magic is "I dislike it"?Uh no, have a little read of the image and don't come back until you have an argument.
>>96641254>What does the fact people buy it have to do with it's quality and whether it is good
>>96641245I'm pretty interested to see what existing mechanics they repurpose for the set. Spaceships and Planets are a given, but I expect to see another Time Travel card put into the game and as a consequence of that I expect to see suspend effects somewhere in there as well.
>>96641261Answer the question
Official PredictionsTroy: Blue/SimicRiker: GreenPicard: WhiteData: AzoriusKirk: Red/GruulQ: RakdosBorg: GolgariSpock: Blue/AzoriusSysko: OrzhovGarak: DimirWesley: IzzetOBrien: GreenWorf: Red/BorosJadzia Dax: Simic
>>96641254>PicSo trying to get to the bottom of this: You don't like UB because you see it as a symptom of WOTC's increasing laziness, is that it?
>>96641255It's called science fiction my guy half the shit they do in Star Trek couldn't be done with our current understanding of physics without destroying the universe somehow
>>96641266Borg should be colorless, Federation should unironically be 5c matters
>>96641254>cut set blocksHas nothing to do with UB>cut lore even more with hat setsUnrelated to UB>cut writing by shitting out a set of some kind of every monthAlso unrelated to UB>cut writing of any kind with UBAre you saying you'd actually want them to write a more complete, or even sensible crossover where it isn't just "thing people like on card"? Because you should be happy they aren't dedicating any resources to "writing" a UB set, especially since things like FF had fans already>SL is now printing memes instead of original artYou could compare the spongebob one to the comic sans one. SL in general is cancer for sure.>prices gone upAgreed>cards per pack is downI don't think this is true since we're still at like 15 (except AssCreed, that was TURBO fucking retarded)>Packs per box downI definitely hate that, and I agree it's a problem. 36 down to 30 is retarded for more money.>the rest of thatangry ramblingReally, I think we just don't agree on exactly what/why the company is doing/does what it's doing/does. I don't think UB is why the writing in main sets is shit, I think it's because the current cast of characters are all irredeemable shit but they're more than committed to it at this point, added with the company forcing their weird politics into everything. I find UB to be a breath of fresh air at times (FF) and a stinky doodoofart at worst (spiderman). Support what you like, don't support what you don't, it's not that complicated, but I'm glad we could actually chat about it without you calling me a bug.
>>96641267Not quite. Someone mischaracterized why I dislike UB. I explained that my points are 1. It's bad for the game as a whole and 2. UB buyers already had access to the IPs they enjoy and shouldnt impose them on others selfishly in the way they have.THEN i was asked how it is bad for the game, and the answer to THAT is that it is part of a general "shrinkflation" if you accept the term where WotC has become lazier and lazier in terms of production while simultaneously pumping out more product and jacking up prices.>>96641274>UB is a symptom of a wider trend>"NAH UH UB HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT COS I SAID SO!!!"Not going to reply to your post, friend.
>>96641270You have to go back, "my guy" (nigger)Science fiction is not the same thing as magic, and Star Trek is very explicitly devoid of magic. It does not at all belong in a game called MAGIC the gathering
>>96641264I hope to see Q as a 5c commander captain pichard would be cool if they have him as boros and then a Borg pichard as mardu
>>96641278>get a complete, full response to your post>i'm not gonna reply to itlmao
>>96641278>present no evidence>hurr all caps any dissenting opinionsLast (you) you're getting from me, have fun replying to yourself til bed time.
>>96641278"It's bad for the game as a whole" is a statement that requires supporting evidence. And it does seem that your position is that UB is part of WOTC's ongoing laziness.
>>96641280Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
>>96641285We live in completely different world if you can't accept UB as part of the trend of Wizards getting lazier.I can point you to the fact that before UB Wizards started writing less, and that for UB Wizards doesn't have to write at all- which allows them to push out more sets in a year because they aren't concerned with story for UB sets whatsoever.If that isn't evidence of them being connected to you, what is there to discuess?It's like I've said corruption in politics is a symptom of the decline of empires, and you've responded saying that actually all the wealth inequality and mass raiding by barbarian tribes has nothing to do with corruption>>96641290As above>>96641295As above
>>96641302Rome is not being sacked, anon. This is a card game that has a few sets you don't like and a majority of other players do. Let the market correct itself, Spiderman already failed, just because FF and LOTR are beloved franchises is not a bad thing.
>>96641302So the issue here is that you're yelling at random people about UB when you could be yelling at random people about WOTC's laziness, which more clearly illustrates the problem you have with UB while also not antagonizing a bunch of people who have nothing to do with your problem in the first place
My Argument for Star Trek being in MTG
The first expansion to MTG was UB
>>96641317doesn't matter, no one cares
>>96641319People seem to care a lot about UB, but maybe they werent born yet.
>>96641316it's been part of magic since the start.... damn.... chuds btfo
>>96641238It ties unique mechanics to foreign IP. I don't like spiderman, I don't want to see spiderman, and I shouldn't have to engage with spiderman to play a fantasy card game that has 30 years of its own history. Aesthetics matter. And where will it be after 5 more years of this; the release of 15+ more UB sets? At minimum that's like 500 more commanders that aren't magic. I really don't want to sit down to a game against rey skywalker, the green goblin and dexter. It's just incredibly lame.
>>96641333>>96641333>>96641333
>>96641332>I don't want to play against Xno one is making you?
>>96641346>you just get up from the table and walk away from the game lolYes, this is exactly why UB is bad for the game.
>>96641355>if I refuse to play against things>this leads to me playing against less thingsyes.>this is bad for the gameno. self-filtering is actually a plus for all involved.
>>96640407Any Urza that isn't Lord High Artificer
>>96640096Other formats mostly.
>>96641364>people who like magic being alienated from the game is a good thing actually
>>96641390>people who are spergs being alienated is goodyes
>>96641394Lmao yeah cos FF fandom is famously devoid of spergs
>>96641398The sonic fandom also is renowned across the world for being full of normal, stable people, such as Chris-chan.
>>96641398>>96641399I don't see them filtering themselves out of the game because someone sat down using Ertai, Urza, or Narset, anon.
>>96641401That is a cool sentence, anon! It has literally nothing to do with what we were talking about, but I'm glad you were so proud of it you felt the need to show it to us.
>>96641405Did you just enter the thread? Anon is self-filtering because he doesn't like what others are playing, to which I referred to him as a sperg and said "good". I know you're being disingenuous because no one would post if they were actually that retarded, right?
>>96641407If that's your only quantifier of spergdom you don't actually care about spergs in the hobby, you're just mad that someone insulted the way you got into it. Every one of you piggies squeals the exact same way, it's honestly bizarre.
>>96641418>the way you got into itgood one, anon. I also enjoy arguing with imaginary points. I've been playing since Core Set 2010 (my older brother begged me to play with him)
>>96641401>heh youre leaving the game cos you don’t like UB? Good! 1 less sperg hah!>the fandoms youre bringing in are full of spergs>well at least they won’t leave my game!Do you think before you post?
>>96640420b-but you havta let em do da THIIING
>>96640509>8 mama
>>96640744rent free
yes, I like scrimblio and pimpleo but I also like spider-manI don't like putting spidey with scimblio and pimpleo tho because it ruins both IPs by clashing aestheticsyou do NOT kitbash
Last year we got 13 precons, a set of 5 a set of 4 and 2 doubles. We know we're getting 4 for lorwyn so what's your predictions for next year? If both UW get 2 again we're left with either 4 from marvel or star trek
>>96641757>mountain, mana vault, sol ring, lotus petal, simian spirit guide, desperate ritualUh oh stinko!
>>96640791oh my god shut the fuck up. nobody in this game ever pays more than 6 mana for a single spell. the whole point is cheating it out early. fuck you dumbass. there's a reason hoarding broodlord is in every single cEDH deck with access to black. don't try to fucking convince me that it's bad
>>96641760Do you know what "rent free" means? Or are you just so fucking low IQ that you think it's just a general taunt to say to someone that's mad?
>>96640791>turns your 12 mana combo into a 4 mana combo (even less if you have creatures to convoke the saw in half with)
>every thread until the end of 2026 will be endless complaining about UB.It is rightful but do anons talk about things they enjoy anymore? Name one thing you like about MTG right now anon.
>>96642785I appreciate Commander decks generally being cheaper than a Yugioh one, and Magic cards not requiring a law degree to decipher.
>>96642785Colors are more balanced today than they used to be 5 or 10 years ago and they achieved that mostly with no problems for the 60-card formats.
>>96642785>Name one thing you like about MTG right now anon.UB haters don't actually play games or enjoy mtg
>>96641316> +1 toughness for each WWhat did Richard Garfield mean by this
>>96641390Im going to say yes. The one thread personality who cant shut the fuck up about piggies and slop should be exiled from mtg, it would make the community better
>>96641316How much is something like that worth?
>>96643791Pretty sure a bunch of play test cards showed up on PawnStars once. It was a lot but I cant recall
>>96642626>Have a ton of Zombie tokens and a Craterhoof in the yard.Hooray, one mana Craterhoof Behemoth!
>>96644540Fuck this card btw
>>96644540How the fuck isnt this a game changer(tm)?
>>96644540>>96645168Why would it? It's super overrated. It's just a well cost overwhelming stampede on a body. If it gave all your creatures haste on top of it, then yeah it would be a GC or banned.
>>96645168Probably because it's awesome ETB effect only lasts one turn or because it's eight mana to cast or both.
>>96645186>If it gave all your creatures haste on top of it, then yeah it would be a GC or banned.Allow me to introduce myself.
>>96645168because then elfball wouldn't be able to exist in B3
